How to end racism

[amexsbow]

For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.

[retiredguy123]

Before you can do any of those things, you need to get Congress to abolish the Federal affirmative action law. That law mandates employers to be biased when hiring employees, or face lawsuits and penalties by the Federal Government.

[Stu from NYC]

I would never make an offer to a possible employee without meeting them face to face.

Want to know there is chemistry between us and get a feel for the person.

[davem4616]

For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.


Obviously the OP never owned a business or hired many people....you gain so much more information about a candidate when you meet them face to face.

like did they merely test well, or can they actually apply what they learned...how good of a fit are they going to be with the culture of your organization...how good of a match are they for your management style...do they 'get' what the purpose of the role is that you are trying to fill...as well as getting the details behind the accomplishments listed on the resume that only come from a F2F conversation

IMHO what the OP is suggesting is totally unrealistic...:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[billethkid]

Totally out of touch with reality.
But for 60 seconds let's play the OP game.

Assuming the outcome looking for is more balance between races or fewer whites...

What is it that makes one think the outcome anticipated will be achieved by this suggestion?
Nothing!!!!

Remember the basic population distribution......
White...74%
Latino/Hispanic...18%
Black...14%

Departing from the basic population and consider what the distribution is in different levels of education or training.....wanna bet what the numbers look like.

Way too much effort being spent on the forced results for one race. That would be discrimination/racism......and oh by the way does not accomplish the anticipated out come!!

(With considerable effort, again, to remain polite about it!!!!!)

[graciegirl]

For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.

I see that you think like I do. I don't think race should hinder or enhance a person getting a job. Of course how to make that work is unrealistic. But I "get" you.

[dewilson58]

But for 60 seconds let's play the OP game.


Let's not.

[Bay Kid]

Before you can do any of those things, you need to get Congress to abolish the Federal affirmative action law. That law mandates employers to be biased when hiring employees, or face lawsuits and penalties by the Federal Government.

Being told you have to hire X amount of black employees. Isn't that racist? Not X amount of mexicans, jews, or heaven forbid, whites. It is time for change.

[stan the man]

Brown America

[Stu from NYC]

Being told you have to hire X amount of black employees. Isn't that racist? Not X amount of mexicans, jews, or heaven forbid, whites. It is time for change.

I think so but was trying to be polite.

Give everyone a level playing field so everyone has to work to be successful.

[mtdjed]

While I get the point of your post, there still is the interview. Now, the hidden traits become known even if blind.

Interviewer "Good Morning" Applicant "No Habla Ingles"

Interviewer "What is Your name?" Applicant "Igor"
2nd Applicant "Mary Ann"
3rd Applicant "Bubba"

Interviewer "How are you? Applicant "Cool, Dude."

Interviewer "Why were you Late?" Applicant "had to pahk my Cahr"

[jebartle]

The Golden Rule should be encouraged at home, school and work place.

[billethkid]

The best qualified person for the job has become a not so important characteristic anymore.

Lowering the standards and everybody gets a trophy does nothing to make the participants more prepared.
Just makes the numbers work for politicians and special interest groups.

What happened to get them educated/trained for the opportunities and let them earn it......like most of us did!

[Stu from NYC]

The best qualified person for the job has become a not so important characteristic anymore.

Lowering the standards and everybody gets a trophy does nothing to make the participants more prepared.
Just makes the numbers work for politicians and special interest groups.

What happened to get them educated/trained for the opportunities and let them earn it......like most of us did!

So very true

[retiredguy123]

The best qualified person for the job has become a not so important characteristic anymore.

Lowering the standards and everybody gets a trophy does nothing to make the participants more prepared.
Just makes the numbers work for politicians and special interest groups.

What happened to get them educated/trained for the opportunities and let them earn it......like most of us did!
That is definitely true for Government jobs where there is no need to make a profit or to break even. It has been that way for many years. But, if you own a private business, you really need to hire competent employees or you will soon be out of business.

[coffeebean]

For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.

This seems ridiculous to me but what do I know?

[RichS$]

Totally out of touch with reality.
But for 60 seconds let's play the OP game.

Assuming the outcome looking for is more balance between races or fewer whites...

What is it that makes one think the outcome anticipated will be achieved by this suggestion?
Nothing!!!!

Remember the basic population distribution......
White...74%
Latino/Hispanic...18%
Black...14%

Departing from the basic population and consider what the distribution is in different levels of education or training.....wanna bet what the numbers look like.

Way too much effort being spent on the forced results for one race. That would be discrimination/racism......and oh by the way does not accomplish the anticipated out come!!

(With considerable effort, again, to remain polite about it!!!!!)
If you look at sports thru the same microscope, my guess the numbers would all reverse themselves...including college. Why then do sports figures have a hard time figuring out that he who works the hardest earns the trophy. Life is no different.

[Aloha1]

Any time I encounter a question asking what my "race" is, I always answer "other" if that is the only neutral choice, and then fill in the blank with "human". The government is the biggest perpetrator of racial politics and until that is changed equal treatment will never happen.

[Stu from NYC]

That is definitely true for Government jobs where there is no need to make a profit or to break even. It has been that way for many years. But, if you own a private business, you really need to hire competent employees or you will soon be out of business.

never mind

[rjm1cc]

Hope you don' t need an experience hart doctor.

[saratogaman]

Before you can do any of those things, you need to get Congress to abolish the Federal affirmative action law. That law mandates employers to be biased when hiring employees, or face lawsuits and penalties by the Federal Government.
There is no federal law that mandates what you say. Affirmative action does not set mandates or quotas. You are simply wrong. Anything that you say based on that is de facto fundamentally unfounded and wrong. Period.

[saratogaman]

Being told you have to hire X amount of black employees. Isn't that racist? Not X amount of mexicans, jews, or heaven forbid, whites. It is time for change.
There is no such mandate...cite whatever you claim that requires that...bet you can't.

[retiredguy123]

There is no federal law that mandates what you say. Affirmative action does not set mandates or quotas. You are simply wrong. Anything that you say based on that is de facto fundamentally unfounded and wrong. Period.
That is not correct. The affirmative action law mandates that employers prepare an affirmative recruitment and employment plan with a goal to have a workforce that is diversified and has "parity" in the workforce with respect to the protected groups named in the law. The groups are:

African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans, and women

It isn't a quota, but many companies have been sued by the Federal EEOC for, either not having a plan at all or for not making an effort to hire employees from these specific groups of people. For example, if you have a workforce that is all men or all whites, and you don't have a written affirmative employment plan and haven't made a sincere effort to hire minorities and women, you are violating the law. The EEOC can sue you in Federal court, and you can be fined and forced to change your hiring practices. It is a mandate.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

That is not correct. The affirmative action law mandates that employers prepare an affirmative recruitment and employment plan with a goal to have a workforce that is diversified and has "parity" in the workforce with respect to the protected groups named in the law. The groups are:

African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans, and women

It isn't a quota, but many companies have been sued by the Federal EEOC for, either not having a plan at all or for not making an effort to hire employees from these specific groups of people. For example, if you have a workforce that is all men or all whites, and you don't have a written affirmative employment plan and haven't made a sincere effort to hire minorities and women, you are violating the law. The EEOC can sue you in Federal court, and you can be fined and forced to change your hiring practices. It is a mandate.

Uh huh yup that's true. Meanwhile in the real world, on applications when you get to the EEOC section, the application is not required to fill out ANY of the questions. They are allowed to skip every single one of them if they wish.

At Amazon, you don't even get an interview. The entire application is done online, and you are hired or not hired depending on whether or not you pass their online tests and can show availability that matches their needs.

[retiredguy123]

Uh huh yup that's true. Meanwhile in the real world, on applications when you get to the EEOC section, the application is not required to fill out ANY of the questions. They are allowed to skip every single one of them if they wish.

At Amazon, you don't even get an interview. The entire application is done online, and you are hired or not hired depending on whether or not you pass their online tests and can show availability that matches their needs.
Amazon is well aware of the legal hiring requirements. Here is a link that shows how well they track their workforce to ensure diversity. If they didn't, I think they would be a prime target for the EEOC.

Our workforce data (https://www.aboutamazon.com/working-at-amazon/diversity-and-inclusion/our-workforce-data)

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

Affirmative action in all sports - with equal representation based on your representation in society. Including coaches . Let’s see how that’s received.

[tsmall22204]

That does not end racism, it fills job openings with unqualified applicants. Without checking employment history, experience, and education, applicants can say anything to get an interview. Sorry, I do not agree with you.

[graciegirl]

Totally out of touch with reality.
But for 60 seconds let's play the OP game.

Assuming the outcome looking for is more balance between races or fewer whites...

What is it that makes one think the outcome anticipated will be achieved by this suggestion?
Nothing!!!!

Remember the basic population distribution......
White...74%
Latino/Hispanic...18%
Black...14%

Departing from the basic population and consider what the distribution is in different levels of education or training.....wanna bet what the numbers look like.

Way too much effort being spent on the forced results for one race. That would be discrimination/racism......and oh by the way does not accomplish the anticipated out come!!

(With considerable effort, again, to remain polite about it!!!!!)

I read that the OP said to ignore color and look for people doing a good job. Pick the doers. Don't allow race to be a factor making anyone select a person for a job. Do not hold places in school or business for a certain race. Do not pick someone to do a job because of their color but because of their skill and personality and permanent record showing diligence, no matter what color they are.

[Stu from NYC]

I read that the OP said to ignore color and look for people doing a good job. Pick the doers. Don't allow race to be a factor making anyone select a person for a job. Do not hold places in school or business for a certain race. Do not pick someone to do a job because of their color but because of their skill and personality and permanent record showing diligence, no matter what color they are.

Works for me

[MandoMan]

That is not correct. The affirmative action law mandates that employers prepare an affirmative recruitment and employment plan with a goal to have a workforce that is diversified and has "parity" in the workforce with respect to the protected groups named in the law. The groups are:

African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans, and women

It isn't a quota, but many companies have been sued by the Federal EEOC for, either not having a plan at all or for not making an effort to hire employees from these specific groups of people. For example, if you have a workforce that is all men or all whites, and you don't have a written affirmative employment plan and haven't made a sincere effort to hire minorities and women, you are violating the law. The EEOC can sue you in Federal court, and you can be fined and forced to change your hiring practices. It is a mandate.

You are right, or close to it. At the university where I taught for decades, applicants for teaching positions were all sent a card on which they could if they wished check their “race”. It wasn’t required. This was mailed to the Diversity Office, where it would be registered. If there were any applicants who met diversity requirements, this was communicated to the chair of the department search committee. In my department, any “diverse” applicants were interviewed as a matter of course unless they were clearly unsuitable for the job because of education or work history or publication history. We weren’t forced to hire a “diverse” candidate, but sometimes we were told that if we did, we would also get to hire someone else: two hires for the price of one.

Before we could post an advertisement for a job opening anywhere, we had to submit the ad to the Diversity Office, where it would be examined. It had to meet diversity requirements before it would be approved. It had to deliberately state that we really wanted to hire a “diverse” person of some sort. (This did not include people of Asian ancestry, as we already have a lot of them teaching on campus, though not in my department, or women, as my department was over 50% women.) Ideally, the teaching duties would be listed in such a way that the “diverse” applicant would be the best suited, or at least would fit one of the POSSIBLE needs.

We had to provide a written reason for not hiring for all diversity candidates, as well. This went a bit beyond the sentence or two we wrote for each applicant. (Such as “This job is for a Shakespeare specialist, but the candidate is a specialist in contemporary American literature.”)

HOWEVER, I should also note that any self-identified MILITARY VETERANS automatically went to the head of the line for any job search. They were ALWAYS interviewed if they were somewhat qualified. We were never forced to hire them, but if we didn’t, we had to provide a written explanation of why they weren’t the best candidate. (Consider that there might be a hundred applicants for one position, with seven interviewed in person, so a guaranteed interview offers a great opportunity to shine.)

A couple years ago we had sort of a scandal. We wanted to hire someone for a permanent position teaching Creative Writing/Poetry. We had a woman (also a lesbian) teaching it as an adjunct, and we liked her, and she was doing a good job. We all expected her to be hired. We requested a permanent tenure line in that field in order to give it to her. Then the department hiring committee for that position (I wasn’t on it) found another candidate who had published several excellent books of poetry with a top poetry press and was very impressive in person. The committee recommended that candidate unanimously, as the candidate was far superior. The university complied and offered the position to the top candidate. Unfortunately, that candidate was a straight male of European ancestry. A number of activists of various sorts in the department worked hard to stop that hire, but didn’t succeed. After all, rescinding the job offer would be grounds for a lawsuit if the reason came out, and that reason appeared in a lot of emails.

[graciegirl]

You are right, or close to it. At the university where I taught for decades, applicants for teaching positions were all sent a card on which they could if they wished check their “race”. It wasn’t required. This was mailed to the Diversity Office, where it would be registered. If there were any applicants who met diversity requirements, this was communicated to the chair of the department search committee. In my department, any “diverse” applicants were interviewed as a matter of course unless they were clearly unsuitable for the job because of education or work history or publication history. We weren’t forced to hire a “diverse” candidate, but sometimes we were told that if we did, we would also get to hire someone else: two hires for the price of one.

Before we could post an advertisement for a job opening anywhere, we had to submit the ad to the Diversity Office, where it would be examined. It had to meet diversity requirements before it would be approved. It had to deliberately state that we really wanted to hire a “diverse” person of some sort. (This did not include people of Asian background, as we already have a lot of them teaching on campus.) Ideally, the teaching duties would be listed in such a way that the “diverse” applicant would be the best suited, or at least would fit one of the POSSIBLE needs.

HOWEVER, I should also note that any self-identified MILITARY VETERANS automatically went to the head of the line for any job search. They were ALWAYS interviewed if they were somewhat qualified. We were never forced to hire them, but if we didn’t, we had to provide a written explanation of why they weren’t the best candidate. (Consider that there might be a hundred applicants for one position, with seven interviewed in person, so a guaranteed interview offers a great opportunity to shine.)

We had to provide a written reason for not hiring for all diversity candidates, as well. This went a bit beyond the sentence or two we wrote for each applicant. (Such as “This job is for a Shakespeare specialist, but the candidate is a specialist in contemporary American literature.”)

I dislike anything that smacks of "pity" in any form. I don't know why I am like that, but I am. I don't like handouts and freebies for the poor. I would most likely almost starve before I took them. I am pretty sure we were poor but no one ever used that word. I think I have unwittingly tried all of my life not ever to be a poor pitiful pearl. Now there is a word for something like it; infantilize.... Making someone feel like a helpless baby out of perceived kindness.

[gpk111]

That is definitely true for Government jobs where there is no need to make a profit or to break even. It has been that way for many years. But, if you own a private business, you really need to hire competent employees or you will soon be out of business.

You just made a good case for small government!

[WesMan]

For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.
Correct!!! Thanks

[WesMan]

Being told you have to hire X amount of black employees. Isn't that racist? Not X amount of mexicans, jews, or heaven forbid, whites. It is time for change.
Correct!!!! Thanks

[WesMan]

That is definitely true for Government jobs where there is no need to make a profit or to break even. It has been that way for many years. But, if you own a private business, you really need to hire competent employees or you will soon be out of business.
You re totally correct!!!!!

[WesMan]

Any time I encounter a question asking what my "race" is, I always answer "other" if that is the only neutral choice, and then fill in the blank with "human". The government is the biggest perpetrator of racial politics and until that is changed equal treatment will never happen.
You are correct, I hate those questions.... The only time race should be consider is for medical review since in some cases race does matter!!!!! Thanks

[Girlcopper]

Being told you have to hire X amount of black employees. Isn't that racist? Not X amount of mexicans, jews, or heaven forbid, whites. It is time for change.
Exactly. Just hold interviews like it has been done for decades and let the best person win. Racism is the new key word being thrown around by the lazy who refuse to work, get educated and are the ones committing crimes. And before someone jumps on me....Im not saying ALL.......im saying MANY. Stop putting your hand out for freebies and work for your money

[BlackhawksFan]

The City of Los Angeles as well as some states have enacted laws for something similar as they are trying to ease discrimination in hiring of people with felonies in their background. It's called ban the box law. Employers can not ask about a criminal background until a job offer is made. It's an effort, similar to this suggestion, to put everyone on an equal footing allowing their work history, education, references, appearance and personality to influence hiring instead of whether someone made a poor decision years ago.

I have not heard how well it is working, if at all.

[kendi]

For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.

Doubt it. Many employers check out social media sites and do background checks. Can’t hide that information.

[rlcooper70]

Not sure if this is helpful ... but ... Great Psychology Study = people will choose candidates (admission or job) based on political affiliation far more than on race. (Iyengar & Westwood 2015). Goes across both races.

[billethkid]

Not sure if this is helpful ... but ... Great Psychology Study = people will choose candidates (admission or job) based on political affiliation far more than on race. (Iyengar & Westwood 2015). Goes across both races.

I personally disagree. Over a 60 year career and hiring at all levels (including GM and CEO types) there was never any need to know/discuss politics.

I can also add that in any interviews where I was the candidate the subject was never was included.

I do not believe I was unique in the above experiences.

[Villagesgal]

What difference would that really make in an "at will" state. Once they show up for work they can be terminated for any reason at all, so again, what difference would that actually make? None.

[mtlee024]

For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.

WHat a great idea, what you are saying, in a way, is quit talking about it and maybe, just maybe, it will go away.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Amazon is well aware of the legal hiring requirements. Here is a link that shows how well they track their workforce to ensure diversity. If they didn't, I think they would be a prime target for the EEOC.

Our workforce data (https://www.aboutamazon.com/working-at-amazon/diversity-and-inclusion/our-workforce-data)

They gather all of that information AFTER a job offer has been made and accepted. Their workforce is diverse, because most 25-50-year-old white American males don't WANT to work for Amazaon. So they get a lot of women, a lot of immigrants (male and female), a lot of black people (male and female), and a lot of retirees and near-retirees. Of the white folks, many were veterans (they advertise that they encourage veterans and offer special programs for those who end up employees), or on some kind of public assistance.

In the sorting center I worked in as a temp, I was definitely the minority as the white middle-aged adult female who was not also a single mother, or receiving public assistance funding of any kind.

[Duneahh]

WHat a great idea, what you are saying, in a way, is quit talking about it and maybe, just maybe, it will go away.

Exactly as Morgan Freeman replied to an interview question some years ago about how to stop racism: "STOP talking about it!"

[graciegirl]

Exactly as Morgan Freeman replied to an interview question some years ago about how to stop racism: "STOP talking about it!"

Oh. I like that response better than any I have ever heard. I wish I knew you Duneahh.

[Rebel Pirate]

The definition of racism is perhaps the biggest problem. See all the suggestions this thread has generated about "how to end racism"...without anyone defining the term? I believe that most people our age (I'm thinking typical Villager...55+ YOA) has a similar idea about what constitutes racism. (I won't go into my/our hoary out-of-touch thoughts.) However, we are completely out of step with modern thinking about racism...thus, all the responses to this thread's title/question are also out of step.

Recent academic work/theories, university-level classes, and federally-funded training for government employees hold that racism is structural, systemic, and institutional. I won't turn this into a never-to-be-read tome, but, the bottom line is...if you are white, you are racist; you exhibit racism by your very being and existence. Math, science, forgiveness, logic, reasoning (and many other characteristics) are all artifacts of racist thinking, a racist culture and a racist system.

Now, try responding to this thread with the above ideas (that are being taught to our grandchildren and current federal employees) as back drop to the thread's title.

[ficoguy]

Based on your economic status and the net present value of the benefits that have accrued to you over your lifetime because of slavery, as determined by an actuary, you should assume a liability of the stated amount and then start paying it down, like a mortgage - or have it passed on as part of your estate.

[Stu from NYC]

Based on your economic status and the net present value of the benefits that have accrued to you over your lifetime because of slavery, as determined by an actuary, you should assume a liability of the stated amount and then start paying it down, like a mortgage - or have it passed on as part of your estate.

Great idea with only one problem.

My grandparents came here just over a hundred years ago after being serfs in Russia.

So in others words some people think that people who have never been slaves should be given payments from people who were grandchildren of people who were basically slaves themselves.

[Aloha1]

I dislike anything that smacks of "pity" in any form. I don't know why I am like that, but I am. I don't like handouts and freebies for the poor. I would most likely almost starve before I took them. I am pretty sure we were poor but no one ever used that word. I think I have unwittingly tried all of my life not ever to be a poor pitiful pearl. Now there is a word for something like it; infantilize.... Making someone feel like a helpless baby out of perceived kindness.

A hand up, always. A hand out, never.

[La lamy]

Kind of reminds me what professional orchestra member's auditions are like where I live. They're behind a wall so no bias from the employers. All about how the musician plays.

[Indydealmaker]

For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.
Good employees are too hard to find. Hiring bias is a myth.

[retiredguy123]

Good employees are too hard to find. Hiring bias is a myth.
Yes, and women only make 79 percent of what men make for doing the same work. If that were true, no one would hire any men.

[JoMar]

Good employees are too hard to find. Hiring bias is a myth.

That depends on who is doing the hiring? Your view assumes that there is no bias when hiring and I know that to be untrue.

[JIMLUPO77]

Based on these requirements ............i'll apply for the job of ladies college locker room monitor !!!!!!!

[lwmilo]

For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.


You mean you want to throw out the Affirmative Action Program??? Nice try.

[TexaninVA]

For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.

I agree in principle ... meritocracy is what is always best for society in the long run.

They used to do that when hiring for orchestras ... i.e. simply listen to a recording or whatever of the music being played by the applicant. That was recently deemed racist by the enlightened and now it requires showing your face, so to speak, so that the hiring decision can then proceed.


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[Stu from NYC]

I agree in principle ... meritocracy is what is always best for society in the long run.

They used to do that when hiring for orchestras ... i.e. simply listen to a recording or whatever of the music being played by the applicant. That was recently deemed racist by the enlightened and now it requires showing your face, so to speak, so that the hiring decision can then proceed.


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Why would listening to an applicant;s music be racist? How do different racial groups manage to sound different when playing music?

[TexaninVA]

Why would listening to an applicant;s music be racist? How do different racial groups manage to sound different when playing music?

That's the point ... it makes no sense. But, it no longer has to make sense as long as it makes the easily upset in society feel better. It's essentially another form of paternalistic pandering by the self-styled enlightened thinkers in our society.

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[ficoguy]

I have worked as a consultant in many government agencies and I can tell you it’s a mediocre-cracy. One guy told me he had no idea how he got hired for the job he was in. All day he wandered around looking for someone to show him something. But he showed up for every meeting

[tvbound]

Exactly as Morgan Freeman replied to an interview question some years ago about how to stop racism: "STOP talking about it!"

It appears as if Mr. Freeman's viewpoint is evolving, since that 60 Minutes interview 14 years ago.

Morgan Freeman wants to hear from ordinary people in Black Lives Matter campaign – HITC (/en-gb/2020/06/09/morgan-freeman-black-lives-matter-social-media-campaign/)


"Hollywood star Morgan Freeman wants to hear from ordinary people in a social media campaign to support Black Lives Matter.

The death of George Floyd on May 25th has sparked the biggest wave of protests we’ve seen in a generation.

Not only have demonstrations been seen across the US but the wider world has followed suit to send the message that black lives matter.

And while thousands of people on the street is a hugely inspiring sight, you can’t find anyone much better to spread the Black Lives Matter message than God himself.

Or least God in the Bruce Almighty and Evan Almighty films.

That’s right, Morgan Freeman has joined the Black Lives Matter movement and the Hollywood star wants to hear from you as part of his social media campaign."

[TexaninVA]

It appears as if Mr. Freeman's viewpoint is evolving, since that 60 Minutes interview 14 years ago.

Morgan Freeman wants to hear from ordinary people in Black Lives Matter campaign – HITC (/en-gb/2020/06/09/morgan-freeman-black-lives-matter-social-media-campaign/)


"Hollywood star Morgan Freeman wants to hear from ordinary people in a social media campaign to support Black Lives Matter.

The death of George Floyd on May 25th has sparked the biggest wave of protests we’ve seen in a generation.

Not only have demonstrations been seen across the US but the wider world has followed suit to send the message that black lives matter.

And while thousands of people on the street is a hugely inspiring sight, you can’t find anyone much better to spread the Black Lives Matter message than God himself.

Or least God in the Bruce Almighty and Evan Almighty films.

That’s right, Morgan Freeman has joined the Black Lives Matter movement and the Hollywood star wants to hear from you as part of his social media campaign."

Why would someone revere BLM when anyone with an internet connection, and a modicum of curiosity, can quickly figure out it's a revolutionary Marxist organization at heart.??

There's only two explanations I can think of: 1) agreement with the end goal or 2) lack of knowledge. Maybe there are others ...


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[tvbound]

Why would someone revere BLM when anyone with an internet connection, and a modicum of curiosity, can quickly figure out it's a revolutionary Marxist organization at heart.??

There's only two explanations I can think of: 1) agreement with the end goal or 2) lack of knowledge. Maybe there are others ...


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That's a false premise and accusation. A better question would be, "why are there so many who support Fascism and are so strongly against a movement whose goal is to provide equality for everyone, regardless of their skin color?"

There's really only two explanations, that I can think of: 1) Racism and bigotry. 2) A lack of knowledge or education.

[TexaninVA]

That's a false premise and accusation. A better question would be, "why are there so many who support Fascism and are so strongly against a movement whose goal is to provide equality for everyone, regardless of their skin color?"

There's really only two explanations, that I can think of: 1) Racism and bigotry. 2) A lack of knowledge or education.

"support fascism.' ....what a joke. This mantra has become an emotional spasm by some on the left who equate opposition to an insurrection to fascism. Ooo scary talk about "fascists" yadda. Bad people. etc

I've got black folk in my family tree and I don't need to hear about skin color from guilty white liberals although it is amusing.


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