Washington The Nationals and New York Yankees take a knee

[La lamy]

Did you see the beginning of the home opener in Washington last night where ALL the baseball players of both teams took a knee? That was quite shocking. I'm not one for political statement in work places, but I found it quite awesome to see so much support for black people.

[billethkid]

Did you see the beginning of the home opener in Washington last night where ALL the baseball players of both teams took a knee? That was quite shocking. I'm not one for political statement in work places, but I found it quite awesome to see so much support for black people.

I am not sure it is because they "support for black people".
For some it is about being against those who may not agree.
And there are those who just want to be where the camera and reporters are for personal recognition.

What else do all these high paid players do other than taking a knee to help/support black people???

[chewy]

I find it interesting when people are so upset with something they write letters about it and comment about it on multiple social networks. There is a fast and simple way to remove it from your life. If it's on tv (sports,speaker,news,celebrity,etc.) just use your remote. If it is a sporting event don't watch it until it actually starts. If you are so upset that you declare " I will never watch it again" many others do not care or even know about your decision.

[Stu from NYC]

I did read that they stood during the playing of our Anthem but took a knee before.

That is ok with me. What I didnt like was seeing blm printed elsewhere on the field.

That caused me to change the channel.

Either all lives matter or none matter.

[davem4616]

I pay about as much attention to what professional athletes say and do as I do to the clowns in Hollywood....which is nothing, nada, zero, zip

The majority of them are just a bunch of overpaid, coddled people with way too high of an opinion of themselves...IMHO

[DeanFL]

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I have ZERO (O) interest in MLB. I saw (on the news) Faucci's """pitch""", and some of the "action yesterday, with the ---IMO STUPID--- cardboard cutout fans. Also saw that MLB may 'pipe in' crowd noises (like old laugh-tracks in sit comms), and folks in stands via CGI.

Don't get me wrong - I'm happy for sports-starved fans---go for it and enjoy.

But me personally NOPE.

Also I saw a "BLM insignia" painted on the mound in one of the games yesterday...and in the news saw this>>>> Not a fan of blending "social matters" with sports and such. There is a time and place. This is simply...pandering. period.
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[Stu from NYC]

I pay about as much attention to what professional athletes say and do as I do to the clowns in Hollywood....which is nothing, nada, zero, zip

The majority of them are just a bunch of overpaid, coddled people with way too high of an opinion of themselves...IMHO

Kind of like those folks out of Hollywood.:icon_wink:

[GoodLife]

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I have ZERO (O) interest in MLB. I saw (on the news) Faucci's """pitch""", and some of the "action yesterday, with the ---IMO STUPID--- cardboard cutout fans. Also saw that MLB may 'pipe in' crowd noises (like old laugh-tracks in sit comms), and folks in stands via CGI.

Don't get me wrong - I'm happy for sports-starved fans---go for it and enjoy.

But me personally NOPE.

Also I saw a "BLM insignia" painted on the mound in one of the games yesterday...and in the news saw this>>>> Not a fan of blending "social matters" with sports and such. There is a time and place. This is simply...pandering. period.
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Fauci wore a mask during ceremonial pitch, when he was 60 feet from anybody and the cameras were on.

Then later on in the stands

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[blueash]

I did read that they stood during the playing of our Anthem but took a knee before.

That is ok with me. What I didnt like was seeing blm printed elsewhere on the field.

That caused me to change the channel.

Either all lives matter or none matter.

Do you also object to Jews making such a big deal out of what "they" call the Holocaust? After all the Nazis didn't just kill Jews they killed lots of Christians and Roma and disabled and Marxists and others. Why do the Jews keep making it all about Jews? Why don't the Jews correctly point out that it was about ALL lives not just their lives? All lives matter or none matter. So quit harping on Jewish deaths in particular. /s

[anothersteve]

Do you also object to Jews making such a big deal out of what "they" call the Holocaust? After all the Nazis didn't just kill Jews they killed lots of Christians and Roma and disabled and Marxists and others. Why do the Jews keep making it all about Jews? Why don't the Jews correctly point out that it was about ALL lives not just their lives? All lives matter or none matter. So quit harping on Jewish deaths in particular. /s


That's a ridiculous analogy.

Steve

[Marvic 1]

Do you also object to Jews making such a big deal out of what "they" call the Holocaust? After all the Nazis didn't just kill Jews they killed lots of Christians and Roma and disabled and Marxists and others. Why do the Jews keep making it all about Jews? Why don't the Jews correctly point out that it was about ALL lives not just their lives? All lives matter or none matter. So quit harping on Jewish deaths in particular. /s

Are you comparing Jews deaths to Blacks deaths, now your digging to far down into a barrel.. :shocked:

[golfing eagles]

Did you see the beginning of the home opener in Washington last night where ALL the baseball players of both teams took a knee? That was quite shocking. I'm not one for political statement in work places, but I found it quite awesome to see so much support for black people.

I would have cancelled the game and fired every player on both teams.

[TexaninVA]

Did you see the beginning of the home opener in Washington last night where ALL the baseball players of both teams took a knee? That was quite shocking. I'm not one for political statement in work places, but I found it quite awesome to see so much support for black people.

I saw it quite differently. I see a lot of overpaid athletes succumbing to social pressure and supporting, de facto, a Marxist revolutionary group BLM that purports to advance the cause of black folk. Most of the athletes have no idea of what's going on.

The membership of BLM is primarily white and one of the key national leaders is a former member of the Weather Underground.

Many people will simply stop watching politicized sports. At some point, the players will get to deal with pay cuts. An interesting factoid ... A&E cancelled their popular "Live PD" show and A&E's ratings have dropped about 50% as a result. Go woke, and go broke.

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[davefin]

AND then they stood for the National Anthem. As it should be!

[jricciuto]

They took a knee BEFORE the anthem...then they all rose for the anthem...That's how you make a statement and remain respectful.

[chet2020]

I generally tape games and fast forward through the national anthem, so I have no idea who is taking knees. I fast forward through the commercials, so I have no idea who to boycott. My main worry is that the Brewers did not do enough in the off-season to make a run this year, but looking forward to the first game tonight at 6:10 Central vs. the Cubs. Play ball!

[JoMar]

Do you also object to Jews making such a big deal out of what "they" call the Holocaust? After all the Nazis didn't just kill Jews they killed lots of Christians and Roma and disabled and Marxists and others. Why do the Jews keep making it all about Jews? Why don't the Jews correctly point out that it was about ALL lives not just their lives? All lives matter or none matter. So quit harping on Jewish deaths in particular. /s

Ignorance continues....please research before doing a ridiculous comparison.

[bkcunningham1]

America's pasttime? Approximately 30 percent of MLB players are NOT Americans. Not that it should make any difference for someone having respect for a country's national anthem. But I thought it was interesting.

[golfing eagles]

They took a knee BEFORE the anthem...then they all rose for the anthem...That's how you make a statement and remain respectful.

People tune in to watch baseball, not "statements"

[Marvic 1]

The summer Olympics would of been very interesting, I for one am happy it was canceled not just because of Covid-19....

[Stu from NYC]

Ignorance continues....please research before doing a ridiculous comparison.

Thank you for the post. I might not have been so polite.

[Nucky]

I would have cancelled the game and fired every player on both teams.

GE, what do you think George Steinbrenner would do if anyone on the team when he was in control took a knee? He controlled their Facial Hair.

The policy itself states thusly:

“All players, coaches, and male executives are forbidden to display any facial hair other than mustaches (except for religious reasons), and scalp hair may not be grown below the collar. Long sideburns and “mutton chops” are not specifically banned.”

But the seventies’ nostalgia aside, the policy has been widely derided for some time, with calls for its abolition interspersed with satire. Lou Piniella famously challenged the policy with Steinbrenner, to amusing effect.

It would have been something to see him go up against the kneelers. He is the kind of guy who could have possibly canned them all as you suggested. If I had his Cabbage I swear that I would.

SWEET LOU PINELLA:

“I don’t understand, Mr. Steinbrenner, what long hair has to do with your ability to play baseball,” Piniella said. “I’m a Christian. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ had hair down to the middle of his back, and it didn’t affect the way he went about his work.”

In response, Steinbrenner said, “Oh, really?... come with me,” and led Piniella out to a pond beyond the left-field wall.

“You see that pond, Lou?” he said.

“It’s about seven to eight feet deep. If you can walk across it, you can wear your hair as long as you want.”

Pinella had a Bar inside Woodbridge Mall in N.J. and he was the most gracious man. Always had time for a picture or an autograph. He told some great stories and had a very colorful vocabulary.

[thomp679]

People tune in to watch baseball, not "statements"

If that is true, why is there so much angst on this board about the players 'statement' concerning the treatment of people of color?

I thought the statement showed great solidarity. And it showed that people are willing to adjust their actions to address the concerns of those on the other side of the issue by keeping it separate from the National Anthem.

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[Nucky]

If that is true, why is there so much angst on this board about the players 'statement' concerning the treatment of people of color?

I thought the statement showed great solidarity. And it showed that people are willing to adjust their actions to address the concerns of those on the other side of the issue by keeping it separate from the National Anthem.

https://res.cloudinary.com/the-shadow-league-digital/image/upload/c_scale,h_400,w_600/v1595614277/mlb_kneel_zfmyaf.jpg

George Steinbrenner is on a Rotisserie in his grave!

[Stu from NYC]

GE, what do you think George Steinbrenner would do if anyone on the team when he was in control took a knee? He controlled their Facial Hair.

The policy itself states thusly:

“All players, coaches, and male executives are forbidden to display any facial hair other than mustaches (except for religious reasons), and scalp hair may not be grown below the collar. Long sideburns and “mutton chops” are not specifically banned.”

But the seventies’ nostalgia aside, the policy has been widely derided for some time, with calls for its abolition interspersed with satire. Lou Piniella famously challenged the policy with Steinbrenner, to amusing effect.

It would have been something to see him go up against the kneelers. He is the kind of guy who could have possibly canned them all as you suggested. If I had his Cabbage I swear that I would.

SWEET LOU PINELLA:

“I don’t understand, Mr. Steinbrenner, what long hair has to do with your ability to play baseball,” Piniella said. “I’m a Christian. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ had hair down to the middle of his back, and it didn’t affect the way he went about his work.”

In response, Steinbrenner said, “Oh, really?... come with me,” and led Piniella out to a pond beyond the left-field wall.

“You see that pond, Lou?” he said.

“It’s about seven to eight feet deep. If you can walk across it, you can wear your hair as long as you want.”

Pinella had a Bar inside Woodbridge Mall in N.J. and he was the most gracious man. Always had time for a picture or an autograph. He told some great stories and had a very colorful vocabulary.

Pinella was a great player, thanks for the post

[Stu from NYC]

George Steinbrenner is on a Rotisserie in his grave!

The guy who played him on Seinfeld always did an outstanding job

[billethkid]

And who is it that said "the other side" is only black!!!!

The problem for many of us is that the problems the black "promoters" would have you believe is that blacks are the only race that have citizens with wants and needs.
What about the poor and destitute white population?
The Hispanic Latino poor?
Far Estern heritages?

All of which far out number the blacks.

Racism? Prejudice? Is not a problem unique to blacks.

Why is it we never hear from the average everyday black AMERICAN? Do they think all these over paid wealthy jocks are doing them any favor?

This subject has now attained the status of poop and chair saving threads.

[Stu from NYC]

And who is it that said "the other side" is only black!!!!

The problem for many of us is that the problems the black "promoters" would have you believe is that blacks are the only race that have citizens with wants and needs.
What about the poor and destitute white population?
The Hispanic Latino poor?
Far Estern heritages?

All of which far out number the blacks.

Racism? Prejudice? Is not a problem unique to blacks.

Why is it we never hear from the average everyday black AMERICAN? Do they think all these over paid wealthy jocks are doing them any favor?

This subject has now attained the status of poop and chair saving threads.

Your right, some people still think that working hard is still the answer.

[thomp679]

And who is it that said "the other side" is only black!!!!

[The problem for many of us is that the problems the black "promoters" would have you believe is that blacks are the only race that have citizens with wants and needs.
What about the poor and destitute white population?
The Hispanic Latino poor?
Far Estern heritages?

All of which far out number the blacks.

Racism? Prejudice? Is not a problem unique to blacks.

Why is it we never hear from the average everyday black AMERICAN? Do they think all these over paid wealthy jocks are doing them any favor?

This subject has now attained the status of poop and chair saving threads.


Such a softball...

The problem for many of us is that the problems the black "promoters" would have you believe is that blacks are the only race that have citizens with wants and needs.
What about the poor and destitute white population?
The Hispanic Latino poor?
Far Estern heritages?

Are you really concerned with the other minorities. There have been other protests and cries for change for decades in many areas of non-white discrimination. There is a constant demand to improve the handling of mental illness, homelessness, education for underprivileged students. What about the immigration protests? I guess you missed those while out golfing.

All of which far out number the blacks.

Is this true? State the facts. Even if true, why would this invalidate the BLM cause?

Racism? Prejudice? Is not a problem unique to blacks.

True...but are you saying that since racism and prejudice is a broad problem, nobody can address a more select issue within their own community?

Why is it we never hear from the average everyday black AMERICAN? Do they think all these over paid wealthy jocks are doing them any favor?

Huh?? I think you hear about it everyday. The peaceful protests that have been occurring around the country is made up of everyday black AMERICANs. Who do you think they are? In fact, the peaceful protests have races of all types in support of change.

This subject has now attained the status of poop and chair saving threads.

I agree. I have complained in the past the the same people start up the same threads over and over. Unfortunately, the core issue still needs to be addressed, though, most posting of complaints and anger in TOTV and other forums is a waste of brain cells. Hopefully I have enough to spare since I am replying.

[Dahabs]

Either all lives matter or none matter.

I think that's the point of BLM, that Black lives were not valued to the same degree as White lives. In other words, Black Lives Matter as well.

[DrBrutyle109]

Did you see the beginning of the home opener in Washington last night where ALL the baseball players of both teams took a knee? That was quite shocking. I'm not one for political statement in work places, but I found it quite awesome to see so much support for black people.
Haven’t watched baseball since the strike of 94. They are all scum. Games take to long and the players have no loyalty to their teams.

[Dahabs]

Do you also object to Jews making such a big deal out of what "they" call the Holocaust? /s

What would you call it? Would you prefer genocide? I think if 6 million of your ancestors including much of your relatives were systematically eliminated you might make a big deal out of it. While I am not Jewish, I am still appalled at our leaders actions (and lack of) at the time. The fact that other minorities were also targeted does not diminish the atrocity. We must never forget.

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

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[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

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All lives matter
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[tsmall22204]

You probably do not know all the community work professional players do.

[Windguy]

Either all lives matter or none matter
I see there are still many people who don’t get the fact that for a long time “all” didn’t include black people. Justice for all meant justice for all white people. Rights for all meant rights for all white people and so on. In the original Constitution, black men counted for less than white men and women didn’t count at all. Now, some people are saying that “all” should include black people, too.

When you see “black lives matter,” just think of it as “black lives matter, too.” That’s what it really means. It was never meant to be “only black lives matter.” Absolutely nobody thinks it should mean that.

[Skunky1]

There are many ways to protest instead of disrespecting our flag and national anthem.

[Windguy]

AND then they stood for the National Anthem. As it should be!

I wonder if all these people who feel it is really important to stand for the national anthem stand up in their living rooms when it is played on TV. I suspect they remain seated in their recliners while holding a beer and shoving snacks in their mouths.

I feel that the national anthem is being abused by being played for so many gatherings that are totally unrelated to patriotism. It should be reserved for special occasions. For instance, play it during ball games on Independence Day, but not for every game. It cheapens the anthem the way it is overused. But, the ball parks do it because they are pandering to those who think it’s important. Is that any worse than what some here think of as pandering when players take a knee before the game starts?

[Bad Moon Rising]

Don't support BLM and to see it on the back of the picture mound seemed bold to me but MLB is free to do what they feel needs to be done! BTW there are more black skin players in the MLB than white skin!

[Bay Kid]

I guess MLB has taken sides.

[Dana1963]

Both teams took a knee B4 the National Anthem that was it during the Anthem they all stood with hats off and hand over heart. Kneeling does not effect how they due their job and play the game!Did you see the beginning of the home opener in Washington last night where ALL the baseball players of both teams took a knee? That was quite shocking. I'm not one for political statement in work places, but I found it quite awesome to see so much support for black people.

[Dana1963]

When was the last time they played National Anthem at a golf tournament and had all golfers stand for respect. I would have cancelled the game and fired every player on both teams.

[gpk111]

I see there are still many people who don’t get the fact that for a long time “all” didn’t include black people. Justice for all meant justice for all white people. Rights for all meant rights for all white people and so on. In the original Constitution, black men counted for less than white men and women didn’t count at all. Now, some people are saying that “all” should include black people, too.

When you see “black lives matter,” just think of it as “black lives matter, too.” That’s what it really means. It was never meant to be “only black lives matter.” Absolutely nobody thinks it should mean that.

Now please help me understand how your noble description relates to rioting, looting, flag burning and defunding police.

[DecaturFargo]

Gee, that's how I feel about The Villagers.

[NFRicaS]

I did read that they stood during the playing of our Anthem but took a knee before.

That is ok with me. What I didnt like was seeing blm printed elsewhere on the field.

That caused me to change the channel.

Either all lives matter or none matter.
BLM is not saying ALL lives don’t matter...it is simply calling attention to the fact that our history has shown that BL DON’T matter...that’s all...once again, I invite all of you to listen to Dale Hansen’s YouTube missive on the kneeling issue....VERY RELEVANT!!

[camaguey48]

There are many ways to protest instead of disrespecting our flag and national anthem.
Many ways to protest such as those " peaceful" protests that took plac? I specially liked the pallets of bricks that were strategically placed along the parade route. The small business owners whose businesses were looted and destroyed, the "peaceful" physical attacks by the "protesters" were a fine example of the way these fine BLM people expressed their outrage. I especially liked the pandering by the media, corporate Amerika, the sports and Hollywood celebrities as they join in on the Marxist revolution.

I leave you with this: "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.". Edward R. Murrow

[jbrown132]

Did you see the beginning of the home opener in Washington last night where ALL the baseball players of both teams took a knee? That was quite shocking. I'm not one for political statement in work places, but I found it quite awesome to see so much support for black people.
I am not prejudice against black people. To me though taking a knee during the National Anthem is disrespectful and a slap in the face to the very foundations this country was founded on which gives these individuals the freedom to protest. Peaceful protest is fine but show respect to the flag that gives them the right to do this. All these guys are multi millionaires. If they really want to show support and protest voluntarily give give one years salary to the cause. As they say, put your money where your mouth is. Let’s see how many sign up for that.

[Lindsyburnsy]

They not only support BLM, but supporting protests, including those that are peaceful, by people of all colors, without being arrested by unnamed men in military camo (isn't camouflage uniforms to hide from enemies?) as they would do in unsavory regimes. This is what we have become.
I am not sure it is because they "support for black people".
For some it is about being against those who may not agree.
And there are those who just want to be where the camera and reporters are for personal recognition.

What else do all these high paid players do other than taking a knee to help/support black people???

[Girlcopper]

I would have cancelled the game and fired every player on both teams.
For sure. Their political opinions belong in their home or voting booth. Not on national tv. That display was disgusting and disrespectful. I saw 5 seconds of it and changed the channel, never to return again

[Guitarman1951]

Sad to think that sports have incorporated a tribute to an organization that has caused so many deaths and destruction. They are a marxist organization trying to defund the police over very isolated incidents. I don't know about anyone else, but this is just stupid to celebrate looting, riots, murder and anarchy.

[blueash]

What would you call it? Would you prefer genocide? I think if 6 million of your ancestors including much of your relatives were systematically eliminated you might make a big deal out of it. While I am not Jewish, I am still appalled at our leaders actions (and lack of) at the time. The fact that other minorities were also targeted does not diminish the atrocity. We must never forget.

Finally somebody understands. Jews are correct to focus on the Jewish deaths that occurred at the hands of Germany. And that focus is righteous and important. And the support of people who are not Jewish is also important. And when Jews say "never forget" it is the same as saying "Jewish lives matter" That in no way diminishes the awareness that is was not only Jews who suffered. Only some of the worst people deny the Holocaust.

Now we have a group saying "Black lives matter" to which so many on this website and elsewhere retort "all lives matter" and criticize the Black leaders for their narrow focus. The same narrow focus Jewish leaders have about the atrocity visited upon them by their governments. Stop with the denial of their righteous and important focus and the support of others who recognize their pain and their cause.

Would you have been angered at Jews who did not stand for the anthem when they learned that FDR was aware of the concentration camps and did nothing or turned away Jewish refugees sending them back to Europe to their death as they were the poor and unwashed beyond our quota? If your county does nothing to help and even worse is actively involved in the extermination of your people does it deserve "respect"? Should Native Americans be allowed to kneel in reflection for how they were treated?

I am sick and tired of white supremacists who say not every unarmed person killed by a cop was black. Not every person killed in Auschwitz was a Jew either. This nation was founded with slavery enshrined in its constitution. The White House was built by slaves. Pennsylvania which had allowed non-Whites to vote removed that provision in 1838 and it was not restored until 1869. It took the bloodiest war in US history to end slavery and then people looked the other way as the Jim Crow laws put the Negro back into inequality. The KKK, lynchings, police brutality, segregation all either ignored or actively supported by local state and the federal government.

And now it continues. On this website people start thread after thread on the same tired tropes. If only the Blacks wouldn't be so uppity. If only they'd behave and act like I think they should. If only they weren't so lazy and shiftless. If only they'd not sully our beautiful white women with their rapes.

So yes Black Lives Matter. Finally the majority of Americans are getting the clue. And now that most corporations are seeing this moment in history and getting on board perhaps we can begin as a nation to undo some of the systematic racism most of us see, Then healing can begin and the flag might actually mean to POC what it means to some of you.

[Byte1]

For some reason, Americans do not understand "within limitations." Protest, but understand limits. Americans overeat, over drink and over indulge in recreation. I do not agree with BLM, but they have a right. But, where does that right govern itself so as to be most effective? First off, it has become violent and destructive, whether they claim association with the perpetrators or not. They are in ONE group and they have become more nuisance than effective demonstration. They have alienated many and forced racism on those that before this, were very sympathetic. I do NOT believe in "systemic racism" period. Blacks being killed by COPs is less in count than whites. It is proven by FBI stats that a white is more likely to be shot by a cop than a black, and that black cops are more likely to shoot than white cops. I will sympathize with blacks when they start putting more effort into demonstrating against black on black violence than a few blacks that have been shot by cops. And a point of fact is that most folks shot by cops have a previous record, and most shootings are deemed justified. A few bad shootings does not make for a legitimate protest, especially violent ones.
Regarding kneeling at the games, I find it amusing that the original agitator for this action was Colin Kaepernick. His motivation for this action was not dealing with Black Justice other than his own. He was about to be benched and possibly traded and he had a childish tantrum. He took a knee and then when called out on it, he came up with the black injustice and cop killing as his reasoning. The joke is on all those that support it.
To take a knee during the playing of the National Anthem and displaying of the American flag is disrespectful to all those that died or served this country. It is disrespectful of those good law enforcement officers that serve their communities with professionalism and dedication.
Those that use the strawman's reasoning that "I bet you don't stand for the Anthem at home" are using a weak argument. We stand to SHOW our loyalty and respect for those that serve/served this country. You either have respect or you don't. Making an argument that this black thing has any right to impinge on half the country's population that hold patriotism reverent is damaging, and not productive. Yes, it spotlights a very small problem that requires a very small point of attention. There is simply NO "systemic racism" in this country, period. Yes, there are some individuals that are prejudiced, but that is not indicative of a large racism problem that needs world wide attention. We now have more important matters to address, such as a deadly virus pandemic and to cause so much resources to be diverted to address a small matter such as implied black slights, is tantamount to being criminal.
National Athletic organizations do not empathize with this BLM, but merely coddle it in hopes of avoiding unruly or disruptive spoiled and overpaid athletes and the loss of possible viewers/supporters. It's all business and money to them.
All lives matter, including but not exclusive to the black population. COPs lives matter also, as well as the victims of crimes that are being put in harms way by having law enforcement funding cut. A social worker cannot do what a trained law enforcement officer can.

All this will go away after the Nov election. And I will bet money on it. No politician in leadership will put up with this disruptive destruction and violence unless they are worried about votes.

[Joanne19335]

Do you also object to Jews making such a big deal out of what "they" call the Holocaust? After all the Nazis didn't just kill Jews they killed lots of Christians and Roma and disabled and Marxists and others. Why do the Jews keep making it all about Jews? Why don't the Jews correctly point out that it was about ALL lives not just their lives? All lives matter or none matter. So quit harping on Jewish deaths in particular. /s

How dare you! Six million people gassed and burned. I suppose you support tearing down the memorial at Auschwitz? Poland lost 20% of its population, almost all of them Jews!

[Stu from NYC]

I wonder if all these people who feel it is really important to stand for the national anthem stand up in their living rooms when it is played on TV. I suspect they remain seated in their recliners while holding a beer and shoving snacks in their mouths.

I feel that the national anthem is being abused by being played for so many gatherings that are totally unrelated to patriotism. It should be reserved for special occasions. For instance, play it during ball games on Independence Day, but not for every game. It cheapens the anthem the way it is overused. But, the ball parks do it because they are pandering to those who think it’s important. Is that any worse than what some here think of as pandering when players take a knee before the game starts?

Our grandchildren in DC do the pledge of allegiance before school starts. Want to get rid of that too.

Traditions are important, history is important. My father and father in law fought under that flag in WWII. I respect our flag and do not appreciate anyone taking a knee while it is being sung or played. Lots of other ways to protest.

[Byte1]

They not only support BLM, but supporting protests, including those that are peaceful, by people of all colors, without being arrested by unnamed men in military camo (isn't camouflage uniforms to hide from enemies?) as they would do in unsavory regimes. This is what we have become.

Those "unnamed men in military camo" had big letters on their uniforms saying what organization they came from. Not one of those folks arrested were innocent, so I find it funny, no hilarious that anyone would complain that criminals are being arrested. And camo is a work uniform, regardless if it is useful in "hiding" or not. BLM is violent and destructive, period. When they march down your street peacefully, step out and cheer them on and see what happens.

[shortstack]

The players can take their political views to the polls. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT BLM. All people of every race matter.

[Ricky Dale]

Do you also object to Jews making such a big deal out of what "they" call the Holocaust? After all the Nazis didn't just kill Jews they killed lots of Christians and Roma and disabled and Marxists and others. Why do the Jews keep making it all about Jews? Why don't the Jews correctly point out that it was about ALL lives not just their lives? All lives matter or none matter. So quit harping on Jewish deaths in particular. /s

Sorry but of the approximate 6 mil murdered in the Holocaust 5.4 mil to 5.8 mil were Jews. I think the Jews have a reason to make a big deal over it.

[superzcomputerz]

No more Baseball or NFL (and any other sport who disrespects my flag) for me!

[Andyb]

Don’t be fooled, I’m not a racist, but the BLM movement is a front for progressive socialism. Do the research and study the history of the rise of communism. Go to the BLM website and scroll into it. People need to wake up.

[Mardarlowe]

Get on board the train. If we stop watching, they will be in the unemployment line.

[GoodLife]

Finally somebody understands. Jews are correct to focus on the Jewish deaths that occurred at the hands of Germany. And that focus is righteous and important. And the support of people who are not Jewish is also important. And when Jews say "never forget" it is the same as saying "Jewish lives matter" That in no way diminishes the awareness that is was not only Jews who suffered. Only some of the worst people deny the Holocaust.

Now we have a group saying "Black lives matter" to which so many on this website and elsewhere retort "all lives matter" and criticize the Black leaders for their narrow focus. The same narrow focus Jewish leaders have about the atrocity visited upon them by their governments. Stop with the denial of their righteous and important focus and the support of others who recognize their pain and their cause.

Would you have been angered at Jews who did not stand for the anthem when they learned that FDR was aware of the concentration camps and did nothing or turned away Jewish refugees sending them back to Europe to their death as they were the poor and unwashed beyond our quota? If your county does nothing to help and even worse is actively involved in the extermination of your people does it deserve "respect"? Should Native Americans be allowed to kneel in reflection for how they were treated?

I am sick and tired of white supremacists who say not every unarmed person killed by a cop was black. Not every person killed in Auschwitz was a Jew either. This nation was founded with slavery enshrined in its constitution. The White House was built by slaves. Pennsylvania which had allowed non-Whites to vote removed that provision in 1838 and it was not restored until 1869. It took the bloodiest war in US history to end slavery and then people looked the other way as the Jim Crow laws put the Negro back into inequality. The KKK, lynchings, police brutality, segregation all either ignored or actively supported by local state and the federal government.

And now it continues. On this website people start thread after thread on the same tired tropes. If only the Blacks wouldn't be so uppity. If only they'd behave and act like I think they should. If only they weren't so lazy and shiftless. If only they'd not sully our beautiful white women with their rapes.

So yes Black Lives Matter. Finally the majority of Americans are getting the clue. And now that most corporations are seeing this moment in history and getting on board perhaps we can begin as a nation to undo some of the systematic racism most of us see, Then healing can begin and the flag might actually mean to POC what it means to some of you.

So we're comparing the truly systemic murder of Jews in the millions to obviously non systemic Police killings of unarmed blacks which numbers 10-20 per year? LOL

BLM movement was formed on lies about Trayvon Martin and "hands up don't shoot" Michael Brown. Blacks commit more crimes per capita than any other race in America and so logically they have more interactions with police. Crying racism every time they get arrested is a smokescreen to hide the real problem.

[tvbound]

I see there are still many people who don’t get the fact that for a long time “all” didn’t include black people. Justice for all meant justice for all white people. Rights for all meant rights for all white people and so on. In the original Constitution, black men counted for less than white men and women didn’t count at all. Now, some people are saying that “all” should include black people, too.

When you see “black lives matter,” just think of it as “black lives matter, too.” That’s what it really means. It was never meant to be “only black lives matter.” Absolutely nobody thinks it should mean that.
You are absolutely correct.

Putting aside the violence that has occurred in some locations, by a small percentage of those hiding within the various BLM protests and that almost no one supports this lawbreaking, getting to the root of the misdirection, broad-brush painting and outright lies about BLM by so many white people, boils down to one simple thing (as proved by so many posts and threads here on TOTV). That being that most whites know they hold the vast majority of wealth, power and influence and just the thought of being forced to sharing those things by allowing equality for ALL, scares them to their very souls.

Our nation was actually founded on one huge and obvious lie, in that the Founding Father's did not really believe that "All men are created equal." Saving the fact for another thread in that they were also only talking about men and not women, the FF's purposely only meant white men and not all men. There were also many who wanted to only include land-holding white men, thus further narrowing who they considered "ALL" men.

[Bernie1]

I am tired of being constantly poked in the eye about how one race is sooo mistreated. Contrary to popular belief this is not true. These post are meant to disrupt don’t be sucked in.

[tvbound]

Finally somebody understands. Jews are correct to focus on the Jewish deaths that occurred at the hands of Germany. And that focus is righteous and important. And the support of people who are not Jewish is also important. And when Jews say "never forget" it is the same as saying "Jewish lives matter" That in no way diminishes the awareness that is was not only Jews who suffered. Only some of the worst people deny the Holocaust.

Now we have a group saying "Black lives matter" to which so many on this website and elsewhere retort "all lives matter" and criticize the Black leaders for their narrow focus. The same narrow focus Jewish leaders have about the atrocity visited upon them by their governments. Stop with the denial of their righteous and important focus and the support of others who recognize their pain and their cause.

Would you have been angered at Jews who did not stand for the anthem when they learned that FDR was aware of the concentration camps and did nothing or turned away Jewish refugees sending them back to Europe to their death as they were the poor and unwashed beyond our quota? If your county does nothing to help and even worse is actively involved in the extermination of your people does it deserve "respect"? Should Native Americans be allowed to kneel in reflection for how they were treated?

I am sick and tired of white supremacists who say not every unarmed person killed by a cop was black. Not every person killed in Auschwitz was a Jew either. This nation was founded with slavery enshrined in its constitution. The White House was built by slaves. Pennsylvania which had allowed non-Whites to vote removed that provision in 1838 and it was not restored until 1869. It took the bloodiest war in US history to end slavery and then people looked the other way as the Jim Crow laws put the Negro back into inequality. The KKK, lynchings, police brutality, segregation all either ignored or actively supported by local state and the federal government.

And now it continues. On this website people start thread after thread on the same tired tropes. If only the Blacks wouldn't be so uppity. If only they'd behave and act like I think they should. If only they weren't so lazy and shiftless. If only they'd not sully our beautiful white women with their rapes.

So yes Black Lives Matter. Finally the majority of Americans are getting the clue. And now that most corporations are seeing this moment in history and getting on board perhaps we can begin as a nation to undo some of the systematic racism most of us see, Then healing can begin and the flag might actually mean to POC what it means to some of you.

"On this website people start thread after thread on the same tired tropes. If only the Blacks wouldn't be so uppity. If only they'd behave and act like I think they should. If only they weren't so lazy and shiftless. If only they'd not sully our beautiful white women with their rapes."



You have absolutely hit on the reasons for the abject fear of so many whites, that I mentioned in my previous post. Not that they will ever have the honesty to admit it though.

[jimjamuser]

That's a ridiculous analogy.

Steve
Made a lot of sense to me.

[Scorpyo]

After reading the posts I’ve noticed that some people are in favor of BLM, some are not. I believe BLM is comprised of 3 elements, those that truly feel that Blacks are at a big disadvantage and something needs to be done (like MLK); those that use BLM to fill their pockets with cash (like Bernie Madoff); and those that hate the way of life in the US and want to destroy it (like Fidel Castro). Fortunately or unfortunately I find that those elements (and probably many more) are exhibited in most aspects of life. You find the truly compassionate that want to help those in need; the predators that want to take advantage of any and everyone; and those that want to change and/or destroy anything they don’t agree on. I guess that’s humanity. Interesting word considering some aspects I don’t believe are truly humane. I do believe that most of us contain some if not all of those aspects. We want to help those close to us; we take advantage of others to get ahead (consciously or unconsciously); and we strive to change what we don’t agree upon (left to right, right to left, etc). When I read a post or response that I consider controversial to my beliefs I simply say – damn that person is really stupid (the same thing they probably say about my responses) but then I smile and say – hey, we are what we are.

[jimjamuser]

I would have cancelled the game and fired every player on both teams.
They are merely pointing out a historic and systemic injustice. Why hide it? To pretend equality that is incomplete is compete?

[jimjamuser]

I saw it quite differently. I see a lot of overpaid athletes succumbing to social pressure and supporting, de facto, a Marxist revolutionary group BLM that purports to advance the cause of black folk. Most of the athletes have no idea of what's going on.

The membership of BLM is primarily white and one of the key national leaders is a former member of the Weather Underground.

Many people will simply stop watching politicized sports. At some point, the players will get to deal with pay cuts. An interesting factoid ... A&E cancelled their popular "Live PD" show and A&E's ratings have dropped about 50% as a result. Go woke, and go broke.

....
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Get woke, quickly, don't poke
Relax your brain, take a hot bath, just soak
Away your problems, your fixations
Try some smoke
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No evictions, be happy and glad
When you're woke, you're not sad

[jimjamuser]

Ignorance continues....please research before doing a ridiculous comparison.
I thought "Blue's" statement was sarcasm.

[sadie44]

Watched one inning of Yankee-Washington. Then turned off TV and called MLB.TV to cancel my subscription. Sports is not about politics for me.

[Don Ferguson]

I see there are still many people who don’t get the fact that for a long time “all” didn’t include black people. Justice for all meant justice for all white people. Rights for all meant rights for all white people and so on. In the original Constitution, black men counted for less than white men and women didn’t count at all. Now, some people are saying that “all” should include black people, too.

When you see “black lives matter,” just think of it as “black lives matter, too.” That’s what it really means. It was never meant to be “only black lives matter.” Absolutely nobody thinks it should mean that.

Windguy you are COMPLETELY wrong! Wrong about what BLM stands for. It ONLY cares about black lives that are ended by white police officers. It does happen but is minuscule compared to other black problems. e.g. You are over 70 times more likely to die at the hands of another black person if you are black. That fact means NOTHING to BLM. Read their web site, do some homework.

[ffresh]

I think that's the point of BLM, that Black lives were not valued to the same degree as White lives. In other words, Black Lives Matter as well.

NO … that's complete malarkey; that is NOT the point of BLM. BLM is a Marxist organization committed to eradicating Western culture and values. All one need do is go to their web page and review their "about" page, i.e. mission statement. The current national debacle was "ginned up" by BLM (and other commie groups) in furtherance of their mission - to destroy Western culture, civilization and government!

There is a HUGE difference between supporting the Marxist organization, BLM and supporting the concept that black lives matter. If one is in the former category, then one would be a "useful idiot" as Stalin "affectionately" referred to them. :icon_wink:

Fred

[jjombrello]

Amen to that

[jimjamuser]

People tune in to watch baseball, not "statements"
People like to pretend - "What if I were a celebrated athlete, a respected leader, a role model, a thought leader, an avante guard, leading edge operator pushing cultural change". After they are done pretending, then they are curious about their life background. Take golf, for instance, everyone loved Arnold Palmer and knew all about him. There was a thirst for Palmer to opinionate on the world. His opinions carried weight and could slightly move society forward - so also Mickey Mantle, Mohammed Ali and today LeBron James. It's the "HERO" principle, people desire heroes for better or worse.
So today's baseball players are doing what players and heroes do. They MAKE POWERFUL statements on IMPORTANT social issues. It helps people resolve these issues in their OWN minds. It is healthy and SHOULD continue, and WILL continue like the tide that will NOT stop!

[ficoguy]

Are they tearing down Columbus statues because he was a CATHOLIC imperialist? I see they want to tear down statue of Father Junipero Serra in California. Apparently monestaries are now being viewed as concentration camps for indigenous peoples....by CATHOLIC monks.....

[airstreamingypsy]

It made me even more proud to be a lifelong Yankee fan.

[ficoguy]

Whatever happened to the outrage of the killing of Tessa Majors in NY right before Christmas 2019 by 3 juvenile AA thugs? No marches for her. She dead.

[Mainiad]

Finally somebody understands. Jews are correct to focus on the Jewish deaths that occurred at the hands of Germany. And that focus is righteous and important. And the support of people who are not Jewish is also important. And when Jews say "never forget" it is the same as saying "Jewish lives matter" That in no way diminishes the awareness that is was not only Jews who suffered. Only some of the worst people deny the Holocaust.

Now we have a group saying "Black lives matter" to which so many on this website and elsewhere retort "all lives matter" and criticize the Black leaders for their narrow focus. The same narrow focus Jewish leaders have about the atrocity visited upon them by their governments. Stop with the denial of their righteous and important focus and the support of others who recognize their pain and their cause.

Would you have been angered at Jews who did not stand for the anthem when they learned that FDR was aware of the concentration camps and did nothing or turned away Jewish refugees sending them back to Europe to their death as they were the poor and unwashed beyond our quota? If your county does nothing to help and even worse is actively involved in the extermination of your people does it deserve "respect"? Should Native Americans be allowed to kneel in reflection for how they were treated?

I am sick and tired of white supremacists who say not every unarmed person killed by a cop was black. Not every person killed in Auschwitz was a Jew either. This nation was founded with slavery enshrined in its constitution. The White House was built by slaves. Pennsylvania which had allowed non-Whites to vote removed that provision in 1838 and it was not restored until 1869. It took the bloodiest war in US history to end slavery and then people looked the other way as the Jim Crow laws put the Negro back into inequality. The KKK, lynchings, police brutality, segregation all either ignored or actively supported by local state and the federal government.

And now it continues. On this website people start thread after thread on the same tired tropes. If only the Blacks wouldn't be so uppity. If only they'd behave and act like I think they should. If only they weren't so lazy and shiftless. If only they'd not sully our beautiful white women with their rapes.

So yes Black Lives Matter. Finally the majority of Americans are getting the clue. And now that most corporations are seeing this moment in history and getting on board perhaps we can begin as a nation to undo some of the systematic racism most of us see, Then healing can begin and the flag might actually mean to POC what it means to some of you.
“Blueash”, your comment gives us hope that we are finally taking the painful & uncomfortable steps required to be the republic our better angels aspire us to be.
Thank You

[Don Ferguson]

The organization Black Lives Matter is the most successful scam of our lifetime!

NOT THE STATEMENT, the organization! I truly believe my life is not one iota more valuable than the life of any other human being, PERIOD. That is not what BLM believes. I won't bore you with facts. Read their literature go to their web site. Download their leaders videos. BLM only cares about deaths from white police officers. Go to their website click on donate. It will redirect you to ActBlue Charities. That site brags that it is a super pac that raises money for "progressive Democrat" organizations.

Our police are NOT systemically racist. They may get cynical and jaded. So would you if you worked in NYC (71% of all crime and 92% of violent crime committed by blacks). They see their own fellow officers ambushed and murdered ONLY because they wear the uniform. They see that at a rate astoundingly higher than any police on black incidents. The BIG problem with our police system is that they can't fire "bad" ones. Overly aggressive yes even a racist individual can be hired. The unions make it virtually impossible to simply fire them when recognized, until way too late (say Derek Chauvin)! A mutually agreeable group needs to be accepted by union and management so that the bad apples do not destroy the overall great work of our police.

[ficoguy]

I'm actually over all professional sports except golf. There is no National Anthem and no taking a knee unless it is to line up a putt.

[Slapnut]

If it was during the national anthem then I find it quite unpatriotic. if these pampered so called athletes had to serve their country I'm sure they would give our country more respect. I find this repulsive and extremely rude. I won't be watching these morons in the future. I'm sure you probably didn't serve either or you would have thought otherwise

[Henryfrakl]

All any true American saw was disrespect for veterans and America. Wonder if they could take a knee in China. No one group is anymore important than another and to see a bunch of multi millionaires disrespect their country is unbelievable. Use their millions to help those who they say they want to help. They are just sheep following the crowd.

[1948JDG]

Amen

[1948JDG]

I like it!!!

[Dgizzi]

I saw it quite differently. I see a lot of overpaid athletes succumbing to social pressure and supporting, de facto, a Marxist revolutionary group BLM that purports to advance the cause of black folk. Most of the athletes have no idea of what's going on.

The membership of BLM is primarily white and one of the key national leaders is a former member of the Weather Underground.

Many people will simply stop watching politicized sports. At some point, the players will get to deal with pay cuts. An interesting factoid ... A&E cancelled their popular "Live PD" show and A&E's ratings have dropped about 50% as a result. Go woke, and go broke.

....
Wrong. Well said. If they do not respect the flag then quit your AMERICAN team where you get paid by AMERICAN money or go play for a different country!

[jimjamuser]

Finally somebody understands. Jews are correct to focus on the Jewish deaths that occurred at the hands of Germany. And that focus is righteous and important. And the support of people who are not Jewish is also important. And when Jews say "never forget" it is the same as saying "Jewish lives matter" That in no way diminishes the awareness that is was not only Jews who suffered. Only some of the worst people deny the Holocaust.

Now we have a group saying "Black lives matter" to which so many on this website and elsewhere retort "all lives matter" and criticize the Black leaders for their narrow focus. The same narrow focus Jewish leaders have about the atrocity visited upon them by their governments. Stop with the denial of their righteous and important focus and the support of others who recognize their pain and their cause.

Would you have been angered at Jews who did not stand for the anthem when they learned that FDR was aware of the concentration camps and did nothing or turned away Jewish refugees sending them back to Europe to their death as they were the poor and unwashed beyond our quota? If your county does nothing to help and even worse is actively involved in the extermination of your people does it deserve "respect"? Should Native Americans be allowed to kneel in reflection for how they were treated?

I am sick and tired of white supremacists who say not every unarmed person killed by a cop was black. Not every person killed in Auschwitz was a Jew either. This nation was founded with slavery enshrined in its constitution. The White House was built by slaves. Pennsylvania which had allowed non-Whites to vote removed that provision in 1838 and it was not restored until 1869. It took the bloodiest war in US history to end slavery and then people looked the other way as the Jim Crow laws put the Negro back into inequality. The KKK, lynchings, police brutality, segregation all either ignored or actively supported by local state and the federal government.

And now it continues. On this website people start thread after thread on the same tired tropes. If only the Blacks wouldn't be so uppity. If only they'd behave and act like I think they should. If only they weren't so lazy and shiftless. If only they'd not sully our beautiful white women with their rapes.

So yes Black Lives Matter. Finally the majority of Americans are getting the clue. And now that most corporations are seeing this moment in history and getting on board perhaps we can begin as a nation to undo some of the systematic racism most of us see, Then healing can begin and the flag might actually mean to POC what it means to some of you.
Well said, I get it.

[Scorpyo]

Watched one inning of Yankee-Washington. Then turned off TV and called MLB.TV to cancel my subscription. Sports is not about politics for me.
I turned it on for a couple of minutes as well. It’s been a long time since I’ve watched MLB. Where are Mantle and Maris? Were the benched?

[yankygrl]

[QUOTE=La lamy;1807905]Did you see the beginning of the home opener in Washington last night where ALL the baseball players of both teams took a knee? That was quite shocking. I'm not one for political statement in work places, but I found it quite awesome to see so much support for black people.[/
while they may have all taken a knee BEFORE the game, my understanding is they all STOOD for National Anthem.

[jimjamuser]

How dare you! Six million people gassed and burned. I suppose you support tearing down the memorial at Auschwitz? Poland lost 20% of its population, almost all of them Jews!
I believe what Blue said was sarcastic in order to make a point. Any reference to the Holocaust is "dicey". It stirs up too much emotion. It is hard to talk about it or even mention it. I interpreted it to mean that various groups ALL have historys of assimilation problems. It just appears that it is taking longer in the US for that process to happen with Blacks. I believe that eventually it will.

[jimjamuser]

So we're comparing the truly systemic murder of Jews in the millions to obviously non systemic Police killings of unarmed blacks which numbers 10-20 per year? LOL

BLM movement was formed on lies about Trayvon Martin and "hands up don't shoot" Michael Brown. Blacks commit more crimes per capita than any other race in America and so logically they have more interactions with police. Crying racism every time they get arrested is a smokescreen to hide the real problem.
I believe that a REAL comparison can be made from the INJUSTICES and killing of 6 million in 1940's era Germany and the plight of millions of Africans that were CAPTURED and brought to the Americas in what (?) 1641. In both cases neither race/ethnicity deserved that treatment and BOTH were at the hands of the government in place at the time. In the US, Blacks and Jewish people have ALWAYS had somewhat of a kinship. They suffered and WORRY to this day that a rogue government could again do them BOTH great harm. So, yes there is a historic and strong connection.

[LG999]

No, it isnt.
It is disrespectful to our flag & our country to put any cause in front or ahead or on top.
In addition it is disrespectful and irritating to many viewers to have a political caused forced into their face.
Its a sporting even. A Non political event.
Most people do not want to mix the two & resent it being forced on them.
Annoying your fans is a good way to loose them.

[Sherry8bal]

YEP, no baseball or football for us. If these idiots can't respect the American flag ALL VETERANS fought and died for, they don't need any of our money or support. There should not be a single veteran watching any NFL or MLB games.