Hydroxychloroquine

[Happinow]

We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

[mitchbr47]

Doctors and scientists are more knowledgeable on these matters than elected officials.
Trust the advice of your doctors.

[raynan]

Maybe it's because of supply and demand and they have to keep the supplies available for the people who have the diseases that require taking it were being depleted. There are several autoimmune diseases that require taking multiple doses a day besides taking it for malaria. I, for one, take it twice a day for scleroderma and have for 10 years.

[manaboutown]

I wonder if the OP asked her physician if she would not prescribe it in general to anyone or to her on account of her personal health conditions. As far as I am concerned it is a gray area; some physicians may prescribe it at times, perhaps depending upon how the Chinese virus is affecting a particular patient. It is not a one size fits all situation.

[Number 10 GI]

Doctors and scientists are more knowledgeable on these matters than elected officials.
Trust the advice of your doctors.

There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?

[GoodLife]

DR HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD , PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH

“When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective,” Risch explained. “Especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.”

Earlier this month, a large peer-reviewed study found that hydroxychloroquine cut the mortality rate of COVID-19 by more than half and, contrary to previous claims by faulty studies, had no adverse effects on the heart.

Link goes to Newsweek article

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[Happinow]

For the record....I take no medications, not overweight and have no health conditions that would prevent me from taking the drug. I have a 100% clean bill of health.

[Happinow]

DR HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD , PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH

“When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective,” Risch explained. “Especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.”

Earlier this month, a large peer-reviewed study found that hydroxychloroquine cut the mortality rate of COVID-19 by more than half and, contrary to previous claims by faulty studies, had no adverse effects on the heart.

Link goes to Newsweek article

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We each have our own beliefs. I believe this drug saves lives. I should have the right to take it. I believe your info is spot on. Thank you for posting it.

[Stu from NYC]

The more we hear about the virus the less I think they know

[Happinow]

There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?
And if it’s not effective, then why did Chris Cuomo take it? Why are the politicians able to get it? Something stinks here.....

[Happinow]

I wonder if the OP asked her physician if she would not prescribe it in general to anyone or to her on account of her personal health conditions. As far as I am concerned it is a gray area; some physicians may prescribe it at times, perhaps depending upon how the Chinese virus is affecting a particular patient. It is not a one size fits all situation.
I take no meds, I’m not overweight and have a 100% clean bill of health. It has nothing to do with me physically. She said she believed there was no evidence that it helped. However, she did say that they gave it to patients who were hospitalized. I’m scratching my head........if they feel it helps hospitalized patients with the virus, why won’t it help those with early symptoms? I’m not on board with her beliefs......

[GoodLife]

I take no meds, I’m not overweight and have a 100% clean bill of health. It has nothing to do with me physically. She said she believed there was no evidence that it helped. However, she did say that they gave it to patients who were hospitalized. I’m scratching my head........if they feel it helps hospitalized patients with the virus, why won’t it help those with early symptoms? I’m not on board with her beliefs......

The key to using HCQ is to start use as soon as you develop symptoms, thats what most Doctors including the Yale Epidemiologist say. Some countries, including India, are using it with success as a prophylactic for health care and other high risk people.

4 or more hydroxychloroquine doses reduced risk of coronavirus in healthcare workers: ICMR study - India News (https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/4-hydroxychloroquine-hcq-doses-coronavirus-healthcare-workers-icmr-1684112-2020-06-01)

[NotFromAroundHere]

We each have our own beliefs. I believe this drug saves lives. I should have the right to take it. I believe your info is spot on. Thank you for posting it.

You absolutely have the right to take it. And your doctor absolutely has the right not to prescribe it. All you have to do is find one who will.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We each have our own beliefs. I believe this drug saves lives. I should have the right to take it. I believe your info is spot on. Thank you for posting it.

If you are diagnosed with COVID-19 with symptoms and admitted to the hospital, you can ask for the super-cocktail then. That is what Dr. Hirsch's editorial was about, very specifically. It is not a preventative. It is not a treatment for asymptomatic people. It is not for people who have certain medical problems (such as allergies to doxycycline or zithromyicin, for example), it is not for people with liver disease.

Also, you don't have the "right" to take ANY prescription medicine. Drugs are not covered by the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Lighten up on the hyperbole.

[LoisR]

We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.
Why would you want to do this? Every legitimate scientific study has shown that it has no beneficial treatment effect on Covid-19. You might consider trying Oreo Cookies and Coca Cola. At least it will taste better. Better yet, would you consider drinking Chlorox?

[manaboutown]

Just remember, half of all MDs graduated in the bottom half of their medical school classes.

[Stu from NYC]

Why would you want to do this? Every legitimate scientific study has shown that it has no beneficial treatment effect on Covid-19. You might consider trying Oreo Cookies and Coca Cola. At least it will taste better. Better yet, would you consider drinking Chlorox?

But apparently quite a few DR's feel it works

[Altavia]

Why would you want to do this? Every legitimate scientific study has shown that it has no beneficial treatment effect on Covid-19. You might consider trying Oreo Cookies and Coca Cola. At least it will taste better. Better yet, would you consider drinking Chlorox?

Those studies were on people who started after the point of no return and would not survive no matter what else was done.

Read the studies referenced above on the benefits of starting at first sign of symptoms.

[NotGolfer]

I'm on hydroxychloroquine for a medical issue and have been for over a year and a half. I paid attention when it was 1st brought up early in this covid . I spoke with my primary...actually we've had the conversation twice. While I've not had covid yet I feel certain this medication is a good 1st line defense. I've seen documentation from many dr's across the nation who testify to this as a line of action for their patients. There are dr's in Texas who also are using an asthma medication quite successfully as well. I'd rather do something on the short term that holds promise rather than waiting it out and "maybe" living through a horrific hospital stay (ie respirator). Many are hoping for a miraculous vaccine to cure this virus. I don't hold my breath for that one. The flu hasn't yet been eradicated yet by a vaccine so why would something that's yet not well-tested be the panacea for a new virus? Just asking the question........

[Stu from NYC]

Just remember, half of all MDs graduated in the bottom half of their medical school classes.

Do you know what they call the person who graduated last in their class in Med school?

DR.

[blueash]

One frequent poster who claims to have no agenda in either supporting or rejecting the efficacy of HCQ for Covid seems only to post opinions or studies showing some benefit.

Here is the preprint report of exactly your concern.

A Cluster-Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Prevention of Covid-19 Transmission and Disease | medRxiv (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.20.20157651v1)

A randomized study looking at whether using HCQ early makes a difference. Done in Spain they identified patients ill with Covid then randomized 2300 persons exposed to the sick person to either receive HCQ or not.

The primary outcome was whether those who got HCQ were less likely to become ill with Covid in the 14 days following exposure. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

Secondary outcome were those who got HCQ less like to test positive even if they had no symptoms. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

You can "believe" in whatever you like. Believing is not how science works. Believing is the placebo effect. The FDA has removed authorization for emergency use of HCQ in an outpatient population for Covid based on its extensive review of available information.

The overwhelming evidence is that HCQ does not benefit Covid patients for prevention, for early treatment or for late treatment. What is great about science is that studies continue to be done and the evidence may turn the other way. But the evidence now is that your doctor is right to not let you decide what is a good medication based on what you believe.

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

Nope - trust your research. They used lancet as basis . They are uninformed physicians- that study was horrible in its set up . And will set lancet back for years as a legitimate publication.

[sandie]

Maybe it's because of supply and demand and they have to keep the supplies available for the people who have the diseases that require taking it were being depleted. There are several autoimmune diseases that require taking multiple doses a day besides taking it for malaria. I, for one, take it twice a day for scleroderma and have for 10 years.


I also take this 2x day forRA. I know of doctors who believe this will help so they have written scripts for their families to have. So that supply demand is valid perhaps why doctors here will not offer.

[Rwirish]

Absolutely would not take this. Trust the medical professionals not whacky politicians.

[Dahabs]

There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?

Eminent? I think the jury is pretty well in on this issue. The majority of doctors do not support this drug re: Covid 19 treatment.

[Coal Miner]

Thank you for your input.[/QUOTE]

[Eg_cruz]

Doctors and scientists are more knowledgeable on these matters than elected officials.
Trust the advice of your doctors.
Really trust the doctors around here, no thank you They are all about giving you bandaids medicine not about healing you. They are all riding the the Medicare gravy train. How many doctors around have been report to Medicare for fraud. Not to long on this page someone was charged over $1000 for COVID testing.
So no do not trust your doctor do your own research and if they are not willing to discuss it with you find a new doctor.

[Skidog]

There’s no proof that it works. Plain and simple. Your view is your own. The medical community is against it except for some quack doctors out there

[MandoMan]

We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

I have a friend who knows an infectious disease specialist who swears by it, despite the studies. I saw the infamous video going around with a lot of doctors saying everyone who takes it with zinc and Azithromycin has been cured. That was on Breitbart originally, which is certainly not known for fair and accurate reporting. I’ve read that the video was removed from YouTube yesterday for inaccuracy.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1287906751069581318?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20200729&instance_id=20734&nl=the-morning&regi_id=58623110&segment_id=34620&te=1&user_id=025ec4a03ccfc15efcd68d00b480f13b)

Misleading Coronavirus Video, Pushed by the Trumps, Spreads Online - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/technology/virus-video-trump.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20200729&instance_id=20729&nl=todaysheadlines&regi_id=58623110&segment_id=34606&user_id=025ec4a03ccfc15efcd68d00b480f13b)

I took hydroxychloroquine for a month in 1974 when I moved to Africa to work in a hospital, but stopped because there were no mosquitoes where I was—too high, it seems. I survived it. I tend to believe the studies rather than supposed experts, though the video sounded compelling.

Doctors have an ethical duty to do no harm, and if your doctor refused to give you hydroxychloroquine because the best studies show it doesn’t work for Covid-19, good for her! Doctors are NOT obligated to give patients the drugs they ask for. Far too many doctors give patients antibiotics when patients ask for them, even though the doctor knows the antibiotics do know good for the disease the patient has. Other patients see ads on TV about drugs and ask for them by name—or demand them. Some of these drugs cost more than $1000 a month but are no better than drugs that cost 5% of that. We may have a $10 co-pay and forget that everyone with health insurance is paying the rest of that price. This is why the cost of health insurance keeps going up.

If you insist on getting a drug that is not recommended by the FDA and the CDC, there are plenty of doctors who will give you a prescription. Just call around. Many have offices in strip malls. I used to work 45 years ago with a doctor who now lives south of Miami in a mansion and holds the DEA record for most opioid pills purchased by a doctor for resale to patients: 1,960,000 pills. He’s 90, but still in business. He can no longer prescribe OxyContin, but he can still prescribe hydroxychloroquine. He prescribed mine when I was in Africa.

This is also worth reading:
Russian Intelligence Agencies Push Disinformation on Coronavirus Pandemic - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/us/politics/russia-disinformation-coronavirus.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20200729&instance_id=20729&nl=todaysheadlines&regi_id=58623110&segment_id=34606&user_id=025ec4a03ccfc15efcd68d00b480f13b)

[davem4616]

There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?



I listen to my own doctors and I follow their advice

[Joanne19335]

The more we hear about the virus the less I think they know

I believe Dr. Anthony Fauci. Hydroxy is a drug prescribed for malaria and lupus. It is not prescribed for COVID-19 because the risks outweigh the benefits. Side effects include heart arrhythmia and liver failure. This is not a risk that I am willing to take.

[Andyb]

I’m with you, I’m going to email my doctor and ask about that and an Asthma medicine. I heard a doctor from Texas said it works, but he has no press, he seemed very legitimate.

[davem4616]

Really trust the doctors around here, no thank you They are all about giving you bandaids medicine not about healing you. They are all riding the the Medicare gravy train. How many doctors around have been report to Medicare for fraud. Not to long on this page someone was charged over $1000 for COVID testing.
So no do not trust your doctor do your own research and if they are not willing to discuss it with you find a new doctor.


I trust the doctors that we have in Florida as much as I trusted the doctors I had before moving to Florida

There's not a lot a doctor can do when the issue is plainly old age related...no fix for that anywhere....unless you can find that fountain of youth

[jbrown132]

The science is showing more and more that it does have some therapeutic value in treating the symptoms of Covid.

[Bay Kid]

There is no money to be made with hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Ivette Lozano was ghosted months ago for telling of the benefits for her patients.

[jbrown132]

And if it’s not effective, then why did Chris Cuomo take it? Why are the politicians able to get it? Something stinks here.....

Maybe he went to a doctor who would prescribe it.

[jbrown132]

I take no meds, I’m not overweight and have a 100% clean bill of health. It has nothing to do with me physically. She said she believed there was no evidence that it helped. However, she did say that they gave it to patients who were hospitalized. I’m scratching my head........if they feel it helps hospitalized patients with the virus, why won’t it help those with early symptoms? I’m not on board with her beliefs......

Maybe you should look for another doctor.

[LoisR]

Utter nonsense. If your not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

[Dimanna]

I have heard of several doctors treating early Covid patients with Hydrochloroquin (with Zinc and Azithromycin) and also using it prophylactically to prevent Covid with much success. However the pharmacies are reluctant to even fill the prescriptions and the doctors are given a hard time by their board (AMA). Thus many doctors are not willing to prescribe it. It's a sad situation.

[Lindsyburnsy]

I would trust Dr Fauci. There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?

[spike36]

I have some swamp land in Florida that I want to sell you.

[Dana1963]

When you have Drs making YouTube videos and making statements “Doctor Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine” its time to THINK that they are QUACKS! Listen to the other quotes “I don’t know her but she’s a very good Doctor”!We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

[billboucher]

Medical studies continue to show no benefit from Hydroxychloroquine, either for Covid prophylaxis or treatment. Individuals, especially the elder. can die from cardiac arrhythmias due to this drug. I am an MD, and would not prescribe Hydroxychloroquine for Covid.

[marysackiss]

Why would anyone take this, it does not work!

[oldtimes]

If you insist on getting a drug that is not recommended by the FDA and the CDC,



Or the NIH
NIH halts clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine | National Institutes of Health (NIH) (https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-halts-clinical-trial-hydroxychloroquine)

[kendi]

We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

You neglected to include your doctors reasoning- a critical piece of your story and should be considered.

[rlcooper70]

Are you aware that the JAMA has published studies showing it is not a treatment for the virus and the WHO has stopped all the studies because it is not a treatment?

You are lucky you have a physician with a brain ... good for her.

[kendi]

The science is showing more and more that it does have some therapeutic value in treating the symptoms of Covid.

I have read this too. Don’t remember where though.

[GoodLife]

There have been many medical studies done testing HCQ effectiveness. There are more positive studies than there are negative ones. In general (not all) the negative studies used the drug on severely sick patients while the more positive ones used the drug earlier, before the disease had progressed to ICU/ventilator stage.

Here is a link to 65 studies, 39 or which were peer reviewed. Peer review does not always guarantee authenticity of results, the infamous Surgisphere study published in Lancet was peer reviewed and then retracted because of fraudulent data.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment (https://c19study.com/)

The most recent positive study was recently released by Henry Ford Health in Michigan and treatment with HCQ cut the death rate significantly in sick hospitalized patients, no heart-related side-effects. HCQ decreases mortality from 26.4% to 13.5% in 2451 patients.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

[Happinow]

You absolutely have the right to take it. And your doctor absolutely has the right not to prescribe it. All you have to do is find one who will.
I’m researching now....

[GoodLife]

Are you aware that the JAMA has published studies showing it is not a treatment for the virus and the WHO has stopped all the studies because it is not a treatment?

You are lucky you have a physician with a brain ... good for her.

False. The WHO stopped studies after the fraudulent Surgisphere study was published in Lancet, then the WHO restarted the studies after the Surgisphere study was retracted.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot? (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/who-to-restart-hydroxychloroquine-study-as-risk-data-questioned)

[graciegirl]

To the OP. When I consult my PCP I take their advice. I probably am much better than they are at a few things, but when I go to see a doctor, I am there to get THEIR medical advice.

If and when you might contract Covid-19, your doctor may have newer information and may change her/his mind. I hope you do not get it and we will not need to worry about it and you and the drug.

[Happinow]

Absolutely would not take this. Trust the medical professionals not whacky politicians.
My decision to take the drug wasn’t based on politics.

[Dana1963]

No wonder they pushing Hydroxychlorquine Peter Navarro is sitting on 60 million douses and no countries are buying them after multiple negative results worldwideWe all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

[Happinow]

There is no money to be made with hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Ivette Lozano was ghosted months ago for telling of the benefits for her patients.
BONGO! There’s no money to be made on Hydroxychloroquine. There’s your answer as to why it’s not being prescribed and why they poo poo any good that it does. Follow the money........

[Happinow]

Why would anyone take this, it does not work!
How do you know?????

[Happinow]

To the OP. When I consult my PCP I take their advice. I probably am much better than they are at a few things, but when I go to see a doctor, I am there to get THEIR medical advice.

If and when you might contract Covid-19, your doctor may have newer information and may change her/his mind. I hope you do not get it and we will not need to worry about it and you and the drug.
Like I said, we all have different opinions on this and I choose to get the drug if I contact Covid. I’m searching for a doctor who will prescribe.

[GoodLife]

Medical studies continue to show no benefit from Hydroxychloroquine, either for Covid prophylaxis or treatment. Individuals, especially the elder. can die from cardiac arrhythmias due to this drug. I am an MD, and would not prescribe Hydroxychloroquine for Covid.

Sure :icon_wink:

See post #54

[KRM0614]

Spend your time reading everything about it and don’t ask others get educated ! Doctors fear lawsuits

[Happinow]

Sid Miller - This is from the Detroit News on July 2,... | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/1427314137490753/posts/2923717147850437/)

[JudyLife]

The FDA have not approved this drug for treatment in Covid 19. Your doctor acted responsibly in not prescribing. Hydroxychloroquine has been effective to some extent in treating Lupus and malaria, not Covid 19.

[Stu from NYC]

The more I read about this the less I think we all know.

I do not think doctors would make medical decisions based on politics.

Apparently there has not been a widescale scientific study that clearly shows the benefits of this drug.

[Bikeracer2009]

If I found myself in this situation I would shop for another doctor. If my doctor told me he would not prescribe a medication that has been proven to be safe for decades, was cheap and could help me survive a pandemic killing people in my age group, I would not hesitate to find another doctor.

When I became an adult and got married I went looking for a doctor. When I got a sore throat I went to see this doctor for the first time. He was out sick so I saw a different doctor in the same location. We got along great. I never saw the other doctor and this other doctor was my primary doctor for 14 years.

Good luck with your dilemma.

[Bonnevie]

https://www.fox10tv.com/news/coronavirus/us-stockpile-stuck-with-63-million-doses-of-hydroxychloroquine/article_e18dedab-f751-5e27-b830-331ada19c75d.html

this is the reason we keep hearing about this drug. the US bought up huge quantities of it and are now stuck with it.....all because an initial study of 20 patients touted it's success...a study later removed from publication because it was deemed no valid

and again, any doctor can order this drug for any reason if they feel it will help. but it is not the miracle cure that some people think it is.

[Bogie Shooter]

You absolutely have the right to take it. And your doctor absolutely has the right not to prescribe it. All you have to do is find one who will.

probably on most any street corner...................

[GoodLife]

The more I read about this the less I think we all know.

I do not think doctors would make medical decisions based on politics.

Apparently there has not been a widescale scientific study that clearly shows the benefits of this drug.

Sure there has. See post #54 with a link to 65 studies and also a link to most recent one by Henry Ford health in Michigan on 2500 patients.

[Joanne19335]

Your probably thinking it’s okay to inject Lysol also? Or maybe spray windex in your eyes. Hydroxychloroquine as a cure came from a very uneducated person who has no knowledge of medicine at all. Now if you needed information on how to do a bankruptcy I suggest him as a valuable resource. You Dr will probably share your foolish request for years, just to get a chuckle:a040:

For those who read The Daily Sun, please read the article on page C6 about Arrhythmia. Although it doesn’t mention that it is a side effect of hydroxychloroquine because of the paper’s support of the present administration, I need only ask everyone one question: Do you feel lucky? For those of you who take few or no meds and believe you are so healthy, why not simply wear your masks and practice social distancing rather than follow the rantings of a disillusioned leader who praises a quack witch doctor who believes in alien DNA but criticizes the world’s most renowned epidemiologist? Think about it.

[Joorn59]

Unless you are a physician this is not your decisions to make. This drugs success with malaria is well documented but it’s limited cardiac side effects are based on a younger population (that we are not). Cardiac problems with elderly patients can be lethal. Let your doc make the call.

[TooColdNJ]

The manager of a large grocery chain is wined and dined by vendors to get them to recommend putting their products on the shelves, and physicians benefit from large pharma in the same, but larger scale way. They’re given vacations, research funding, gifts, etc. by big pharma that spends lots of $$ on marketing. Those long, costly ads onTV is marketing their drugs to the consumers as well. Imagine how many people go to their appointments asking their doctors for those “As seen in TV” drugs, or those endorsed by the President of the United States to treat their health issues. I believe it started with Viagra.

With the onset of COVID-19, I’m sure that the same thing is happening with HCQ— Yale professors and doctors have no scientific proof and are probably cashing in on claims that it could have an effect on the virus— probably for their own personal gains. Especially HCQ— while it might lessen the symptoms or keep us from getting CO19, it would be prescribed if studies proved that it works. Those who have shown milder symptoms are people that could have had milder or no symptoms in the first place.

Dr. Trump’s endorsement, and (unscrupulous) doctors who prescribe the medication, are probably invested in it in some way—even if it’s to benefit from the perks. I highly doubt that it’s being hoarded by politicians and unavailable to us. The possible risks outweigh the (unproven) benefits. If proven to work, don’t you think it would be manufactured to save a lot of lives, or is keeping it from us a new conspiracy theory?

Without solid scientific proof, (even though those now taking it claim to be having problems), there could be long term affects of taking a speculative drug. Maybe it’s worth trying as a last effort for those hospitalized with severe cases, because long-term risks aren’t an issue if someone is on their deathbed. Other than that, I think those doctors who readily prescribe it at this time are being negligent.

[SusanKD]

Just a couple of days ago on Television their was some doctors and I think health org Doctors all agree that that medication is NOT going to work to cure Covid. So your doctor is correct.!

[Astron]

There are a number of eminent doctors saying that this drug is effective in treating and preventing Covid19. So which doctors do you listen to?
Some folk have a very loose definition of “eminent”. I prefer going with the FDA, who advises against the use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID19.
FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or)
Known serious side effects posted on reputable sites include serious side effects and their symptoms can include the following:
blurred vision or other vision changes, which may be permanent in some cases
heart disease, including heart failure and issues with your heart rhythm; some cases have been fatal
ringing in your ears or hearing loss
angioedema (rapid swelling of your skin)
hives
mild or severe bronchospasm
sore throat
severe hypoglycemia
unusual bleeding or bruising
blue-black skin color
muscle weakness
hair loss or changes in hair color
abnormal mood changes
mental health effects, including suicidal thoughts”
Listen to your Doctor.

[oldtimes]

There have been many medical studies done testing HCQ effectiveness. There are more positive studies than there are negative ones. In general (not all) the negative studies used the drug on severely sick patients while the more positive ones used the drug earlier, before the disease had progressed to ICU/ventilator stage.

Here is a link to 65 studies, 39 or which were peer reviewed. Peer review does not always guarantee authenticity of results, the infamous Surgisphere study published in Lancet was peer reviewed and then retracted because of fraudulent data.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment (https://c19study.com/)

The most recent positive study was recently released by Henry Ford Health in Michigan and treatment with HCQ cut the death rate significantly in sick hospitalized patients, no heart-related side-effects. HCQ decreases mortality from 26.4% to 13.5% in 2451 patients.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

The results of any study are greatly influenced by who funds the study

[cherylncliff]

There is no evidence to date that this drug is effective in any way against COVID 19. In many of the cases where people taking it recovered, they were also given steroids (now known to improve chances of recovery) as well as other treatments. In controlled studies among health care workers and several other large scale controlled studies, there was no benefit to taking hydroxychloroquine. While this is an old, well studied drug, it does have the risk of some substantial side effects including ocular toxicity and death. In fact, one clinical study was terminated early due to the higher than expected death rate in the hydroxychloroquine arm of the study. The FDA, after reviewing all of the data, withdrew its emergency use approval. You might as well take sugar pills and leave the hydroxychloroquine for the patients who really need it for diseases where it is approved.

[merrymini]

There are doctors on both sides of this issue but hydroxycholoquine has been around for decades and every drug can have side effects. A great many drugs are used off label. About one in five prescriptions are for off label use. I have heard of doctors taking it as a prophylactic and you only find out how good a doctor is when you run into a problem. Just because Trump uses it, doesn’t mean it isn’t good. If the medical community would just say they do not know instead of changing their mind every ten minutes, perhaps they would be more trustworthy. We cannot keep our country closed FOREVER and the death rate from China flu is smaller than people who get the flu shot! If you want to volunteer, they need 30,000 people for the vaccine trials. If you get it, and do not die from it, people can decide to get it too.

[BAT777]

There is so much controversy about what to take and not take.
Has anyone asked their doctors if they had Covid what would they take and also feel safe giving family members?

[Pkirn714]

Six prominent doctors came to the White House steps this past week and said how good Hydroxychloroquine was and is. It can be a great help with Covid-19. No one is listening and the Press wouldn't print that.



We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.
Hydroxychloroquine.



Six prominent doctors came to the White House steps this past week and said how good Hydroxychloroquine was and is. It can be a great help with Covid-19. No one is listening


has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

[Dennisruggles]

Drug companies spend over $13 billion on drug ads that require a Dr. prescription, most of which are medically prohibited or will not be prescribed....$$ that could be spent on reducing costs of legitimately needed drugs. Like advertising cars to elementary schoolers. Get upset about that, not failing to followThe Supreme Leader’s bright ideas...like bleach.

[BettyBoop1952]

Check out Budesonide nebulizer..it's had good results in other countries.

[slbellmd]

The Hippocratic oath says "First do no harm." You are visiting a physician, not the drive thru at McDonalds. It's your body but it is his license. It's your body but it is his/her training and experience with thousand's of bodies. Would you expect him to prescribe oxycodone because it's your body?

[Altavia]

There have been many medical studies done testing HCQ effectiveness. There are more positive studies than there are negative ones. In general (not all) the negative studies used the drug on severely sick patients while the more positive ones used the drug earlier, before the disease had progressed to ICU/ventilator stage.

Here is a link to 65 studies, 39 or which were peer reviewed. Peer review does not always guarantee authenticity of results, the infamous Surgisphere study published in Lancet was peer reviewed and then retracted because of fraudulent data.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment (https://c19study.com/)

The most recent positive study was recently released by Henry Ford Health in Michigan and treatment with HCQ cut the death rate significantly in sick hospitalized patients, no heart-related side-effects. HCQ decreases mortality from 26.4% to 13.5% in 2451 patients.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

Very interesting, clear there is much to learn managing this disease, thanks for posting.

[Dana1963]

The Government Peter Navarro cornered the market and bought 60 million douses causing shortages of people needing medication for Lupus a other autoimmune diseases. Now he’s trying to dump it. BONGO! There’s no money to be made on Hydroxychloroquine. There’s your answer as to why it’s not being prescribed and why they poo poo any good that it does. Follow the money........

[BAT777]

Are you a doctor or Scientist?

[BAT777]

My husband is on this medicine, but is the-inhaler and seems to be helping with his breathing so far.

[Queenbe60]

From what I have gathered, sadly this has become political and prescribing it has been restricted according to political beliefs. It has been proven effective in countries where the death/recovery time has been dramatically reduced. And others say, not so .... what do you believe ? This is exactly why politics should be kept out of everything.

[GoodLife]

[QUOTE=TooColdNJ;1810257]

With the onset of COVID-19, I’m sure that the same thing is happening with HCQ— Yale professors and doctors have no scientific proof and are probably cashing in on claims that it could have an effect on the virus— probably for their own personal gains.[QUOTE]


Possibly the most error filled comment in a thread that's full of them

HCQ costs about $5 for a weeks supply. There is no patent on this drug and it is made worldwide by several companies. There are ZERO Doctors, epidemiologists, or scientists who are getting paid to endorse this drug. If they recommend it, it's simply because they are getting good results.

Want to explore Big Pharma drug corruption? Eight members of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) expert COVID-19 Treatment Guideline Panel are on Gilead's payroll. Gilead makes Remdesivir, the drug that cost hospitals $3000-$5000 per patient and has no statistical effect on covid 19 deaths. The NIH panel allowed the Remdesivir trial to change their endpoints during the trial from measuring effects on mortality to effects on hospital stay.

If readers want to explore 65 studies on HCQ, both good and bad, see post #54 and forget all the political chatter.

[Joanne19335]

Is the President a doctor? NO
you just went to a doctor YES

If you want a politician reality star to be your doctor there has to be something wrong.

Do you have malaria? NO
Do you have Lupus? NO

I have lupus, I take hydroxychloroquine, I had to go to my eye doctor all the time to stay on the medicine. I have to be monitored to take this drug. It is a serious no joke drug and if I did not need it I would not take it.


When you read the disclaimer and it is longer than the way it can help you ....then it is a serious drug.

Repeat after me, the president is not a doctor. Listen to a real one.

Thank you for your intelligent post. It makes the most sense of anything I have read so far.

[Byte1]

I believe Dr. Anthony Fauci. Hydroxy is a drug prescribed for malaria and lupus. It is not prescribed for COVID-19 because the risks outweigh the benefits. Side effects include heart arrhythmia and liver failure. This is not a risk that I am willing to take.

I doubt your statement regarding "side effects." They gave the stuff to EVERYONE that was shipped to Vietnam so if your statement is true then thousands of Vets could be suing the gov. for poisoning them. I believe that your "side effects" have been disproved.

[Barefoot]

Check out Budesonide nebulizer..it's had good results in other countries.:agree:
A doctor in Texas is recommending it as a treatment for the virus.
I think it looks promising.

[Bucco]

[QUOTE=TooColdNJ;1810257]

With the onset of COVID-19, I’m sure that the same thing is happening with HCQ— Yale professors and doctors have no scientific proof and are probably cashing in on claims that it could have an effect on the virus— probably for their own personal gains.[QUOTE]


Possibly the most error filled comment in a thread that's full of them

HCQ costs about $5 for a weeks supply. There is no patent on this drug and it is made worldwide by several companies. There are ZERO Doctors, epidemiologists, or scientists who are getting paid to endorse this drug. If they recommend it, it's simply because they are getting good results.

Want to explore Big Pharma drug corruption? Eight members of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) expert COVID-19 Treatment Guideline Panel are on Gilead's payroll. Gilead makes Remdesivir, the drug that cost hospitals $3000-$5000 per patient and has no statistical effect on covid 19 deaths. The NIH panel allowed the Remdesivir trial to change their endpoints during the trial from measuring effects on mortality to effects on hospital stay.

If readers want to explore 65 studies on HCQ, both good and bad, see post #54 and forget all the political chatter.

For once I will agree with you.

The sheer politics with this virus is staggering....from endorsements from politicians, witch doctors and the like.

I have been taking this drug for about two years or more for rheumatoid arthritis, and it works great, but never considered it as anything for this virus. I was told about heart, and was checked out......need vision test strictly every 12 months specific for side effects, but other than some minor side effects, it does well.

Why folks have become so distrustful of the medical field unless they have the same political leanings as you is well beyond me. I cannot imagine asking a doctor to whom I go to for help, about how he is registered and how he votes. Nor can I imagine calling my political party for endorsement of a doctor of doctors advice.

[OETTING]

The results of the study used in the Newsweek opinion piece and its author are somewhat suspect. For additional insight you can view:

Hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19: Evidence can’t seem to kill it – Science-Based Medicine (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19-evidence-cant-seem-to-kill-it/)



DR HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD , PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH

“When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective,” Risch explained. “Especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.”

Earlier this month, a large peer-reviewed study found that hydroxychloroquine cut the mortality rate of COVID-19 by more than half and, contrary to previous claims by faulty studies, had no adverse effects on the heart.

Link goes to Newsweek article

You have been blocked (https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535)

[Carla B]

I took the drug once before going to an area in which malaria was a factor. To me it was a very unpleasant drug to take and I was happy to be done with it after completing the course of treatment.

[cynjim]

Maybe it is because your doctor cares about her patients and knows it is not good for covid.

[cynjim]

I would think you would listen to your doctor and a true scientist when they say it is not good for you.

[cynjim]

Exactly......

[cynjim]

What you take it for is different than covid. It is not supply and demand it is not the thing to take for covid. The man in the white house has the supply and demand in a warehouse that can't be used. Because it it not prescribed for covid. It has been found that it can harm you. I just don't understand what people don't get about scientific results to to people who don't know what they are talking about.

[cynjim]

Why do you say you think seniors would like this medication because it is high in demand. It is not in demand by people who know what it does to you like doctors. Only people who want attention want to say it helps when they don't have a clue to the side effects.

[TooColdNJ]

The Hippocratic oath says "First do no harm." You are visiting a physician, not the drive thru at McDonalds. It's your body but it is his license. It's your body but it is his/her training and experience with thousand's of bodies. Would you expect him to prescribe oxycodone because it's your body?

Sorry for veering off-topic...it hit a nerve. When people are complaining about their rights being violated when it comes to simply putting a light weight mask on their faces, or not being prescribed a drug that hasn’t been approved for the virus, there are those in pain who are denied an approved drug for that purpose. It’s not difficult to put on a mask—it’s difficult to live in pain. Therefore, a patient can ask their doctor for an opioid prescription if needed, because that isn’t an unapproved drug for pain— they’re not allowed to prescribe them. If they do, now having a data base requires extra time and work to document every opioid prescription— due to the over-prescribing of them, the addiction factor, and unethical doctors (see my post about big pharma). A person would be flagged immediately for abuse, possible selling of the drug, or going to multiple doctors for multiple prescriptions.

The government is way too involved with our personal lives and medical care. The war on drugs has affected people who greatly benefit from pain medications. The only difference now is that the pain management doctors are making a killing (no pun intended) by the new regulations.

So why wouldn’t a primary care doctor be responsible enough to prescribe them if no other treatment worked?
A doctor who really knows her patients should know that their request is legitimate. If someone asks for it, and he prescribes it responsibly, there should be no concerns.

Sorry for my tangent
. :rant-rave:

[cynjim]

I prefer to listen to the experts not every doctor that has an opinion.

[cynjim]

I think a "good" doctor would not prescribe it just because you ask for it when it does not work and could hurt you.

[xNYer]

We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.
I went to my doctor and asked if he would prescribe a statin if I got COVID 19. He refused, so I repeated my request saying there has been along history with statin and use and I am unaware of any deaths from it. I told him what have I got to lose? He still refused so I must seek another doctor who is willing to prescribe things I read about.

[Barefoot]

4 or more hydroxychloroquine doses reduced risk of coronavirus in healthcare workers: ICMR study - India News (https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/4-hydroxychloroquine-hcq-doses-coronavirus-healthcare-workers-icmr-1684112-2020-06-01)That study was reported on June 1; and it was probably done in April and May, 2020.
Now it's July 29, almost August.
Do you have more recent statistics?

[GoodLife]

That study was reported on June 1; and it was probably done in April and May, 2020.
Now it's July 29.
Do you have more recent statistics?

Here is a link, posted previously in the thread that lists 65 studies, several from July

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment (https://c19study.com/)

[jimjamuser]

Just remember, half of all MDs graduated in the bottom half of their medical school classes.
They ALL do 8 years of academic classes and then about 2 years of residency. That's more education than most rocket scientists. If anything the bottom half may be over-qualified. They all know enough to help me. And I doubt that anyone in the ER, after a life threatening car accident asks, "What school did you attend and what was your GPA?"

[NJRICHARD]

Hydroxychloroquine Study Finds the Drug 'Significantly' Cuts Death Rate | CBN News (https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/july/new-hydroxychloroquine-study-proves-trump-right-says-it-significantly-cuts-death-rate?fbclid=IwAR2Dcz4Ij3D_TG4yPXxTVPYY1D5Yf_g5uLGD q8XFoPdb85PpomMCrXjWbnA)

[cynjim]

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[jimjamuser]

I'm on hydroxychloroquine for a medical issue and have been for over a year and a half. I paid attention when it was 1st brought up early in this covid . I spoke with my primary...actually we've had the conversation twice. While I've not had covid yet I feel certain this medication is a good 1st line defense. I've seen documentation from many dr's across the nation who testify to this as a line of action for their patients. There are dr's in Texas who also are using an asthma medication quite successfully as well. I'd rather do something on the short term that holds promise rather than waiting it out and "maybe" living through a horrific hospital stay (ie respirator). Many are hoping for a miraculous vaccine to cure this virus. I don't hold my breath for that one. The flu hasn't yet been eradicated yet by a vaccine so why would something that's yet not well-tested be the panacea for a new virus? Just asking the question........
Would NOT a part of the flu, having not been eliminated by the flu VACCINE, be that 100% of the people in the US and the world do NOT take it?

[rphil11ort]

i have 4 friends in new york who recovered using it

[jimjamuser]

Do you know what they call the person who graduated last in their class in Med school?

DR.
Good one, touche!

[Baywayric]

There have been many medical studies done testing HCQ effectiveness. There are more positive studies than there are negative ones. In general (not all) the negative studies used the drug on severely sick patients while the more positive ones used the drug earlier, before the disease had progressed to ICU/ventilator stage.

Here is a link to 65 studies, 39 or which were peer reviewed. Peer review does not always guarantee authenticity of results, the infamous Surgisphere study published in Lancet was peer reviewed and then retracted because of fraudulent data.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment (https://c19study.com/)

The most recent positive study was recently released by Henry Ford Health in Michigan and treatment with HCQ cut the death rate significantly in sick hospitalized patients, no heart-related side-effects. HCQ decreases mortality from 26.4% to 13.5% in 2451 patients.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext


100% with GoodLife on this one. “I saw”, “I heard” just doesn’t cut it. You have to READ the science.

If you read far enough you will find that it is ZINC that kills single strand RNA viruses (Covid) within the cells. The problem, zinc on its own cannot penetrate the cell wall. What is needed is something called an IONOPHORE which facilitates zincs entry to the cell. Any guess as to an effective ionophore for zinc? Yup, HCQ. The key is early treatment to PREVENT replication of the virus. Once you are sick enough to be admitted to the hospital you are way down the path of viral replication. Any wonder the doctors studying this treatment at that point are having less than successful trials? Any study not indicating coincident use of zinc should be disregarded. Of course it won’t work.

Are there alternatives for a zinc ionophore, of course. Read up on Quercetin and make your own choice. Both Zinc and Quercetin are readily available over the counter.

While you’re at it, check your Vitamin D level. How many here can instantly quote their BP, Cholesterol and Glucose levels and have no clue about Vitamin D? Probably the most important DEFENSIVE strategy you can use.

[jimjamuser]

One frequent poster who claims to have no agenda in either supporting or rejecting the efficacy of HCQ for Covid seems only to post opinions or studies showing some benefit.

Here is the preprint report of exactly your concern.

A Cluster-Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Prevention of Covid-19 Transmission and Disease | medRxiv (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.20.20157651v1)

A randomized study looking at whether using HCQ early makes a difference. Done in Spain they identified patients ill with Covid then randomized 2300 persons exposed to the sick person to either receive HCQ or not.

The primary outcome was whether those who got HCQ were less likely to become ill with Covid in the 14 days following exposure. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

Secondary outcome were those who got HCQ less like to test positive even if they had no symptoms. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

You can "believe" in whatever you like. Believing is not how science works. Believing is the placebo effect. The FDA has removed authorization for emergency use of HCQ in an outpatient population for Covid based on its extensive review of available information.

The overwhelming evidence is that HCQ does not benefit Covid patients for prevention, for early treatment or for late treatment. What is great about science is that studies continue to be done and the evidence may turn the other way. But the evidence now is that your doctor is right to not let you decide what is a good medication based on what you believe.
Thanks, very informative post. Most likely no one in TV land will die from what you wrote. But, what will be the future stats on various other opinions?????

[jimjamuser]

One frequent poster who claims to have no agenda in either supporting or rejecting the efficacy of HCQ for Covid seems only to post opinions or studies showing some benefit.

Here is the preprint report of exactly your concern.

A Cluster-Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Prevention of Covid-19 Transmission and Disease | medRxiv (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.20.20157651v1)

A randomized study looking at whether using HCQ early makes a difference. Done in Spain they identified patients ill with Covid then randomized 2300 persons exposed to the sick person to either receive HCQ or not.

The primary outcome was whether those who got HCQ were less likely to become ill with Covid in the 14 days following exposure. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

Secondary outcome were those who got HCQ less like to test positive even if they had no symptoms. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

You can "believe" in whatever you like. Believing is not how science works. Believing is the placebo effect. The FDA has removed authorization for emergency use of HCQ in an outpatient population for Covid based on its extensive review of available information.

The overwhelming evidence is that HCQ does not benefit Covid patients for prevention, for early treatment or for late treatment. What is great about science is that studies continue to be done and the evidence may turn the other way. But the evidence now is that your doctor is right to not let you decide what is a good medication based on what you believe.
If someone "overplays" the danger of CV in TV, what do they lose? - A few rounds of golf or drinks, or pickle ball? But if they "underplay" CV in TV then ??????

[Kathleen Sheaffer]

I would like to know the names of many doctors who say this is good to use. Please tell me their names.

[Dana1963]

I’ll possibly watch Christian Broadcast Network for religion not news and I never watc Pat RobertsHydroxychloroquine Study Finds the Drug 'Significantly' Cuts Death Rate | CBN News (https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/july/new-hydroxychloroquine-study-proves-trump-right-says-it-significantly-cuts-death-rate?fbclid=IwAR2Dcz4Ij3D_TG4yPXxTVPYY1D5Yf_g5uLGD q8XFoPdb85PpomMCrXjWbnA)

[Bonnevie]

I went to my doctor and asked if he would prescribe a statin if I got COVID 19. He refused, so I repeated my request saying there has been along history with statin and use and I am unaware of any deaths from it. I told him what have I got to lose? He still refused so I must seek another doctor who is willing to prescribe things I read about.

are you serious or is this a joke. statins have a number of side effects. one of the most dangerous is rhabdomyolysis. it's when muscle cells break down. it can lead to renal failure. fortunately, patients are cautioned when put on it (or should be) to report any unexplained muscle aches because that is a symptom. so many people avoid this. as a pharmacist in a hospital I have seen patients admitted in very serious condition with this from being on statins so it does happen.

no medication should be prescribed unless there is a demonstrated need for it. all medications have side effects and how each individual patient reacts is never totally known. as a pharmacist, to me the best doctors (and the ones I always looked for when I needed a doctor) were those that didn't prescribe a lot of medications. the patients who fared the worst were the ones with pages of meds. given by doctors to basically "shut them up".

[jimjamuser]

No wonder they pushing Hydroxychlorquine Peter Navarro is sitting on 60 million douses and no countries are buying them after multiple negative results worldwide
Good post. A true bullseye. We need the investigative reporters to chase that down. Under that rug, there could be a lot of undesireable insects.

[Trishakaye]

Why would you want to do this? Every legitimate scientific study has shown that it has no beneficial treatment effect on Covid-19. You might consider trying Oreo Cookies and Coca Cola. At least it will taste better. Better yet, would you consider drinking Chlorox?

I think you may be wrong. A study in 2008 by the National Institute of Health said that hydroxy given at early stage of corona virus was beneficial to “some “ Dr Fauci was head of the institute at that time

[jimjamuser]

https://www.fox10tv.com/news/coronavirus/us-stockpile-stuck-with-63-million-doses-of-hydroxychloroquine/article_e18dedab-f751-5e27-b830-331ada19c75d.html

this is the reason we keep hearing about this drug. the US bought up huge quantities of it and are now stuck with it.....all because an initial study of 20 patients touted it's success...a study later removed from publication because it was deemed no valid

and again, any doctor can order this drug for any reason if they feel it will help. but it is not the miracle cure that some people think it is.
Great post and link.

[jimjamuser]

For those who read The Daily Sun, please read the article on page C6 about Arrhythmia. Although it doesn’t mention that it is a side effect of hydroxychloroquine because of the paper’s support of the present administration, I need only ask everyone one question: Do you feel lucky? For those of you who take few or no meds and believe you are so healthy, why not simply wear your masks and practice social distancing rather than follow the rantings of a disillusioned leader who praises a quack witch doctor who believes in alien DNA but criticizes the world’s most renowned epidemiologist? Think about it.
2 good posts, double touche!

[blueash]

Here is a link, posted previously in the thread that lists 65 studies, several from July

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment (https://c19study.com/)

You know that people are not going to click a link to 65 "global" studies. Perhaps you could summarize those studies for all of us. Your conclusion suggests there are 65 studies showing a high effectiveness [not sure what defines high] for HCQ.

I will await your summary. Please also let us know about how many studies have been published or pre-print on the subject of whether HCQ is beneficial. Maybe this link has listed all the data. Maybe it has listed a very few studies while ignoring all the other ones that failed to show any benefit.

Just as a teaser.. here's one study your link touted as evidence of effectiveness if given early.
Done in Brazil they recruited by telemedicine people with symptoms consistent with Covid. The recommended HCQ and AZ for all of them. Some filled the scripts, some refused. Then they looked at hospitalization rates. Covid testing was NOT DONE. The rate of hospitalization was higher in the refused group. That is garbage science. It proves nothing about Covid. It proves that sick people given an antibiotic, azithromycin, or with early malaria, HCQ get better than people who take nothing. It is absolutely certain that a number of the sick people had something other than Covid. Some had strep, some had bacterial pneumonia, some had sinusitis or bronchitis.

You offer garbage science to support your "belief" and apparently think we are unable to use our BS detectors. The most recent study on your link they call inconclusive. The authors of the study disagree. The authors of the study state that their study shows NO benefit to HCQ. So in summary, while awaiting your detailed analysis.. The authors of the link mis-categorize studies showing no benefit as neutral and promote garbage as proving benefit. I did not read all of them. But enough to see how useless your link is for proving anything beyond an agenda.

[Bucco]

I think you may be wrong. A study in 2008 by the National Institute of Health said that hydroxy given at early stage of corona virus was beneficial to “some “ Dr Fauci was head of the institute at that time

2008........Corona Virus.

Don't think that virus existed in 2008, so you are listening to the Fauci personal bashing and truth does not sit well with that group

[jimjamuser]

The results of any study are greatly influenced by who funds the study
That's why we need to pay MORE taxes, not LESS so that studies are NOT done by private organizations. The taxpayers need to be willing to PAY for good taxpayer sponsored Medical studies. If you choose the cheapest option, you normally get the worst outcomes. A taxpayer MIGHT (?) have more money in their pockets with lower taxes, but, like today you now have to make YOUR life or DEATH decisions on cheap, marginal information. In the 50s through 70s Universities got their research money from government / taxpayers and people GAINED knowledge from GOOD research. Now you have money in your pocket but you are completely UNSURE whether or NOT you can trust your government or your Doctors. Big change from around the 60s when taxes were higher and PROGRSSIVE!!!!

[blueash]

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_articl e

Just published with three groups. All patients were hospitalized but not severely ill at the time of randomization. One group no medication, one group HCQ, one group HCQ and AZ.

Results in this randomized intervention NO BENEFIT

Also prolonged QT interval changes was only seen in the treated group. So side effects but no benefit. Was this study on the list of 65 global studies. Nope.

[mneumann02]

Thank you. Well stated. Trust science and facts. Not those with agendas.

[coffeebean]

DR HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD , PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH

“When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective,” Risch explained. “Especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.”

Earlier this month, a large peer-reviewed study found that hydroxychloroquine cut the mortality rate of COVID-19 by more than half and, contrary to previous claims by faulty studies, had no adverse effects on the heart.

Link goes to Newsweek article

You have been blocked (https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535)

Your link says, "You have been blocked", although the link does work. Thank you for posting this. I would present this article to my doctor in the event my doctor would not prescribe it. I would want my husband to do the same if he needed this medication.

[jimjamuser]

I doubt your statement regarding "side effects." They gave the stuff to EVERYONE that was shipped to Vietnam so if your statement is true then thousands of Vets could be suing the gov. for poisoning them. I believe that your "side effects" have been disproved.
Was that the same military organization that gave out agent orange to be inhaled by GIs? That CARING organization?

[coffeebean]

And if it’s not effective, then why did Chris Cuomo take it? Why are the politicians able to get it? Something stinks here.....

Health care and front line workers are taking this medication too. Problem is, I read that many are taking it as a prophylactic, not once they develop symptoms. I guess they figure if they are asymptomatic for Covid, why not take it?

[blueash]

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

Another recent study again in the New England Journal looking at using HCQ as a preventative in exposed people, specifically high and moderate risk exposure meaning close contact for greater than 10 minutes to a known positive.

Conclusion
Overall, 87.6% of the participants reported a high-risk exposure to a confirmed Covid-19 contact. The incidence of new illness compatible with Covid-19 did not differ significantly between participants receiving hydroxychloroquine and those receiving placebo .... Side effects were more common with hydroxychloroquine than with placebo (40.1% vs. 16.8%), but no serious adverse reactions were reported.

The most recent meta analysis (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20065276v5) [looking at all published data and combining the results] pre-published on Jul 24 using all data available through Jul 19 concludes:
The results of the meta-analysis on comparative studies indicated no significant clinical effectiveness .. for HCQ regimen in the treatment of COVID-19 in comparison to control group ... The same result was observed for the combination of HCQ+azithromycin ... No significant differences were found for both HCQ ..and HCQ+AZM .. mortality rate; however, mortality was affected by age differences according to meta-regression analysis (P<0.000001). No substantial difference was observed for disease exacerbation .. between HCQ group and controls. Also, radiological findings significantly improved in the HCQ group (... Odds of known HCQ adverse effects (diarrhea, vomiting, blurred vision, rash, headache, etc.) occurred in the HCQ regimen group was approximately 3.5 times of control group .., but no substantial differences were found regarding intubation odds between HCQ... Meta-analysis indicated no significant prophylactic effects for HCQ .. Conclusion: This systematic review and meta-analysis showed no clinical benefits regarding HCQ treatment with/without azithromycin for COVID-19 patients. Although mortality rate was not significantly different between cases and controls, frequency of adverse effects was substantially higher in HCQ regimen group. [my bold]

Now tell me again about how the studies prove that HCQ is beneficial. The final result is not yet in. There are large ongoing randomized studies, but an unbiased look at the conflicting data so far available has overwhelmingly concluded that HCQ benefit is about as likely as that endometriosis is caused by having dreams about sex with demons (https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine).

[Shamp]

Can you name a few well respected doctors who agree that this medication is helpful in preventing or treating Covid? I'm not talking about that nut case doc who said she cured 350 patients of covid without wearing a mask. She also said that GYN issues are related to dreaming about sleeping with movie stars and other equally bizarre statements. Believe what you will, but Dr. Fauci likely has more expertise than anyone thinking they know more than their medical doctor.

[coffeebean]

Nope - trust your research. They used lancet as basis . They are uninformed physicians- that study was horrible in its set up . And will set lancet back for years as a legitimate publication.

Who are you replying to, the original poster or post #21? Which study are you speaking about?

[coffeebean]

Absolutely would not take this. Trust the medical professionals not whacky politicians.

But.......there are countless medical professionals who have seen great results and improved death rates when this drug is used as soon as symptoms appear. That IS trusting the medical professionals.

[blueash]

Triciakaye
I think you may be wrong. A study in 2008 by the National Institute of Health said that hydroxy given at early stage of corona virus was beneficial to “some “ Dr Fauci was head of the institute at that time

2008........Corona Virus.

Don't think that virus existed in 2008, so you are listening to the Fauci personal bashing and truth does not sit well with that group

Corona virus has been known for decades. What did not exist in 2008 was Covid-19 The 19 is a label indicating this particular variety was first noted in 2019.
However Tricia's claim is also wrong. During the SARS epidemic [SARS is also a Corona virus but not the same as Covid-19] the NIH did research looking for anything that might help. It was found in vitro [in a test tube] that HCQ slowed viral growth. It was never tested on humans for that disease. But it was in part because of some NIH research that doctors thought to try HCQ in Covid-19

And the SARS epidemic was not in 2008 but in 2003 mostly.

Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/)

This is the NIH study. Perhaps Dr. Fauci's long experience with using HCQ should add some credence to accepting his fairly authoritative opinion on its utility in Covid-19

[coffeebean]

I would trust Dr Fauci.

Let us remember Dr. Fauci is the expert who told Americans a little white lie early on in this pandemic. He told us that wearing masks were only good for people with Covid and for people who were taking care of patients with Covid. Why did he lie????? Because he was concerned there would not be enough PPE for the front line and health care workers.

Hydroxychloroquine has already been difficult for those patients who take it for autoimmune diseases. I personally know someone who has had difficulty getting the medication that is needed for their illness.

So.......No, I would not trust Dr. Fauci about the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine. He is guarding the supply for those who are already on the drug for other illnesses than Covid.

[coffeebean]

The FDA have not approved this drug for treatment in Covid 19. Your doctor acted responsibly in not prescribing. Hydroxychloroquine has been effective to some extent in treating Lupus and malaria, not Covid 19.

If there is one person who is alive today because they took the Hydroxychloroquine cocktail, it is worth the risk, especially if you do not have a heart condition.

[coffeebean]

The manager of a large grocery chain is wined and dined by vendors to get them to recommend putting their products on the shelves, and physicians benefit from large pharma in the same, but larger scale way. They’re given vacations, research funding, gifts, etc. by big pharma that spends lots of $$ on marketing. Those long, costly ads onTV is marketing their drugs to the consumers as well. Imagine how many people go to their appointments asking their doctors for those “As seen in TV” drugs, or those endorsed by the President of the United States to treat their health issues. I believe it started with Viagra.

With the onset of COVID-19, I’m sure that the same thing is happening with HCQ— Yale professors and doctors have no scientific proof and are probably cashing in on claims that it could have an effect on the virus— probably for their own personal gains. Especially HCQ— while it might lessen the symptoms or keep us from getting CO19, it would be prescribed if studies proved that it works. Those who have shown milder symptoms are people that could have had milder or no symptoms in the first place.

Dr. Trump’s endorsement, and (unscrupulous) doctors who prescribe the medication, are probably invested in it in some way—even if it’s to benefit from the perks. I highly doubt that it’s being hoarded by politicians and unavailable to us. The possible risks outweigh the (unproven) benefits. If proven to work, don’t you think it would be manufactured to save a lot of lives, or is keeping it from us a new conspiracy theory?

Without solid scientific proof, (even though those now taking it claim to be having problems), there could be long term affects of taking a speculative drug. Maybe it’s worth trying as a last effort for those hospitalized with severe cases, because long-term risks aren’t an issue if someone is on their deathbed. Other than that, I think those doctors who readily prescribe it at this time are being negligent.
The drug is not speculative. This drug has been used for years for many autoimmune diseases. Taking the drug in the end stages of Covid has been shown not to be effective. From what I have read about the Hydroxychloroquine "cocktail" is it should to be taken as soon as symptoms appear to be effective.

[coffeebean]

Just a couple of days ago on Television their was some doctors and I think health org Doctors all agree that that medication is NOT going to work to cure Covid. So your doctor is correct.!

My understanding of the effectiveness of the Hydroxychloroquine cocktail is that it is not a cure for Covid. What it does is lessen the length of the disease and also lessens the severity of the disease. It is not to prevent the disease as it must be taken as soon as symptoms appear. This is a problem for aymptomatic people because they would not know when to start the cocktail.

[coffeebean]

Some folk have a very loose definition of “eminent”. I prefer going with the FDA, who advises against the use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID19.
FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems | FDA (https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or)
Known serious side effects posted on reputable sites include serious side effects and their symptoms can include the following:
blurred vision or other vision changes, which may be permanent in some cases
heart disease, including heart failure and issues with your heart rhythm; some cases have been fatal
ringing in your ears or hearing loss
angioedema (rapid swelling of your skin)
hives
mild or severe bronchospasm
sore throat
severe hypoglycemia
unusual bleeding or bruising
blue-black skin color
muscle weakness
hair loss or changes in hair color
abnormal mood changes
mental health effects, including suicidal thoughts”
Listen to your Doctor.

Typical list of side effects for just about any drug on the market today. Have you read the possible side effects of some of the more common drugs that Americans take on a daily basis?

[blueash]

Let us remember Dr. Fauci is the expert who told Americans a little white lie early on in this pandemic. He told us that wearing masks were only good for people with Covid and for people who were taking care of patients with Covid. Why did he lie????? Because he was concerned there would not be enough PPE for the front line and health care workers.

Hydroxychloroquine has already been difficult for those patients who take it for autoimmune diseases. I personally know someone who has had difficulty getting the medication that is needed for their illness.

So.......No, I would not trust Dr. Fauci about the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine. He is guarding the supply for those who are already on the drug for other illnesses than Covid.

Your suggestions are entirely speculative. You have the right to speculate. However Dr. Fauci did not tell a "little white lie" about masks early in the pandemic. Dr. Fauci gave the correct public health advice based on studies available at the time of his statement.

On March 8, 2020 on 60 minutes, he said "Right now in the United States people should not be walking around with masks " (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI)

The first Florida Covid DOH report was on March 16th, a week after Fauci's interview. In that repor (https://www.floridadisaster.org/globalassets/covid19/dailies/covid-19-data---daily-report-2020-03-16-1815.pdf)t it shows that up to Mar 8th there had been a total of 20 cases in the entire state of Florida. Does Dr. Fauci's suggestion that with 20 cases in a state of 20 million people there was no reason to divert masks from health care workers to the general public seem reasonable? [his comment was not specific to the numbers in Florida, but I have those numbers]

Both of these statements were accurate. He now says masks should be worn, as the science has evolved with new data.

Your assertion that somehow Dr. Fauci is saving HCQ for different diseases and that is why he is not recommending it is bogus. He is an infectious disease expert. If he has any bias it would toward using a medication to treat an infectious disease not a rheumatological one.

Leaving that aside.... There is no shortage. The manufacturers cranked up production and now the supply chain is fully stocked and the government has millions of additional doses stockpiled.

You can check it yourself on the FDA's drug shortage website.
FDA Drug Shortages (https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/drugshortages/dsp_SearchResults.cfm)

Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate Tablets
Status: Resolved
»Duration of Shortage: 03/31/2020 - 06/26/2020
»Therapeutic Categories: Anti-Infective; Other; Rheumatology

[Byte1]

Was that the same military organization that gave out agent orange to be inhaled by GIs? That CARING organization?

I'm not an expert and don't claim to be one (like some on here) but I believe that Agent Orange was a defoliant, not a medication. Just a guess, even though I was sprayed with it three times. I have had a liver biopsy and many tests over the years, but by the grace of GOD, I am still here.

Brings to mind an old saying that goes something like this:
For those that fight for it, Life [liberty, freedom] has a flavor that the protected will never know.

The military may be an "organization" to some, but to me it was a SERVICE that I gave to my country, along with a blank check that stipulated my ALL, including my life if required.

The malaria medicine was considered safe at the time and is still used over fifty years later, with no qualms. Interesting that politics has superseded science and now this medicine is no longer safe but actually considered by a few as dangerous. Excuse me if I see a glass half full to your glass almost empty (speaking to all the naysayers on here).

[DON10E]

We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.

You didn’t ask what I would consider the most important next question: Why would she not prescribe it?

[coffeebean]

Here is a link, posted previously in the thread that lists 65 studies, several from July

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment (https://c19study.com/)

From what I'm reading, the high effectiveness is when the drug is used for early treatment. Some of those studies where done in the later stage of the disease which had a negative outcome. The trick is the drug "cocktail" should be started at the onset of symptoms for positive results.

[Stu from NYC]

I'm not an expert and don't claim to be one (like some on here) but I believe that Agent Orange was a defoliant, not a medication. Just a guess, even though I was sprayed with it three times. I have had a liver biopsy and many tests over the years, but by the grace of GOD, I am still here.

Brings to mind an old saying that goes something like this:
For those that fight for it, Life [liberty, freedom] has a flavor that the protected will never know.

The military may be an "organization" to some, but to me it was a SERVICE that I gave to my country, along with a blank check that stipulated my ALL, including my life if required.

The malaria medicine was considered safe at the time and is still used over fifty years later, with no qualms. Interesting that politics has superseded science and now this medicine is no longer safe but actually considered by a few as dangerous. Excuse me if I see a glass half full to your glass almost empty (speaking to all the naysayers on here).

First thank you for your service.

It is still apparently considered safe for treatment of Malaria there is a major question is how safe/effective it is for the virus.

Unfortunately what should be purely a medical issue has gotten politicized. For me when the vaccine comes out will take the advise of our primary care doctor. Hopefully we will not need treatment for the virus

[meboyle]

We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.
The government has interfered in doctor patient relationship, by not releasing or approving it for this use. I have testimony from a Yale discussing this. Dr. Reich Is a very credible doctor. I’ll try to post it.
Here it is.. Dr. Harvey Risch on the war against hydroxychloroquine | On Air Videos | Fox News (https://video.foxnews.com/v/6173447838001)

He says it all, and has been interviewed on many other outlets standing for this, and getting the government out of the way, doctor/patient relationship.
He is not a loon.

[tvbound]

If you believe Drs. Fauci, Brix, and the heads and key doctors at CDC, NIH, etc., in tests of hydroxichloriquine, the drug showed no positive therapeutic effect during tests of the drug.

It’s the doctors and scientists or Donald Trump and his son. Who do you believe?

In three simple and clear sentences, you've summed up this whole circus perfectly. Quite frankly, it is astounding that this drug is even still a newsworthy issue. I personally wish as much (or even 1/2 the) effort in trying to discredit and ignore renowned medical scientists, was instead being put into establishing, advertising and enforcing national protocols for the benefit of all of our citizens (like mandatory mask wearing). Just as was done toward drunk driving and public smoking.

The most similar analogy to where we are now is the smoking issue, where it seems a lot of people have already forgotten how many doctors and other public figures, initially tried to downplay the adverse affects of smoking in general and especially the health detriments of even second-hand smoke. Then, of course, they tried to focus on how their "rights" were being taken away. Needless to say, those folks were on the wrong side of history and we are seeing the same thing repeat itself.

[tvbound]

Thank you. Well stated. Trust science and facts. Not those with agendas.

That's the way it is supposed to work. With recognition, that as more facts and studies are done, some earlier observations may turn out to have been incorrect. The beauty of science and facts however, is that as more is found out with studies and experiments, ethical scientists will readily admit when they were previously wrong and then adjust their findings according to the accumulation of additional facts. Which is something that those with agendas, will never do.

[xNYer]

i have 4 friends in new york who recovered using it

Did it cause their recovery, you have no idea. There are people who took who died. Neither is evidence of efficacy.

[jimjamuser]

I'm not an expert and don't claim to be one (like some on here) but I believe that Agent Orange was a defoliant, not a medication. Just a guess, even though I was sprayed with it three times. I have had a liver biopsy and many tests over the years, but by the grace of GOD, I am still here.

Brings to mind an old saying that goes something like this:
For those that fight for it, Life [liberty, freedom] has a flavor that the protected will never know.

The military may be an "organization" to some, but to me it was a SERVICE that I gave to my country, along with a blank check that stipulated my ALL, including my life if required.

The malaria medicine was considered safe at the time and is still used over fifty years later, with no qualms. Interesting that politics has superseded science and now this medicine is no longer safe but actually considered by a few as dangerous. Excuse me if I see a glass half full to your glass almost empty (speaking to all the naysayers on here).
The wind blew it into their lungs and some were oversprayed by it. And REALLY that's not rocket science or NEW news. Everybody knows THAT! And it does NOt need to be spelled out in detail!

[New Adventures]

Doctors and scientists are more knowledgeable on these matters than elected officials.
Trust the advice of your doctors.

Strange. I don't seem to recall that the doctor was asked if politically she would administer the medication. Maybe you should be on the political page and not this page. I'm sure most mature adults are able to separate themselves from politics during this time. We are all in danger of possibly becoming infected or hearing of a family or friend who didn't survive. Please keep the politics out of it. It doesn't promote any helpful knowledge to anyone with their questions or concerns. :ohdear:

[GoodLife]

From what I'm reading, the high effectiveness is when the drug is used for early treatment. Some of those studies where done in the later stage of the disease which had a negative outcome. The trick is the drug "cocktail" should be started at the onset of symptoms for positive results.

You read correctly. Also, many Doctors say zinc should be part of the cocktail.

In regards to your earlier comment about asymptomatics. They don't need HCQ or any drug, as their immune system beats the virus without drugs.

[sloanst]

Just say that you are going to Africa (or some other malaria infected country) and that you need a prophylactic. You would prefer something generic and cheap. If they don't prescribe Hydroxychloroquine, ask them why they are trying to hurt your wallet.

[Joanne19335]

If there is one person who is alive today because they took the Hydroxychloroquine cocktail, it is worth the risk, especially if you do not have a heart condition.

If you don’t have a heart condition, why would you risk getting one by taking a medication that has been proven ineffective and not recommended by the FDA for this virus?

[GoodLife]

You are accepting the statements from a person who has a history of bizarre beliefs. She claims to have treated 350 people with a 100% cure rate, yet multiple studies do not find it has a benefit.
Gullible perhaps?

Multiple studies have shown it does have a benefit. Gullible perhaps?

How many patients have you treated?

[coffeebean]

You read correctly. Also, many Doctors say zinc should be part of the cocktail.

In regards to your earlier comment about asymptomatics. They don't need HCQ or any drug, as their immune system beats the virus without drugs.

Thanks for that clarification. Makes sense.

[coffeebean]

If you don’t have a heart condition, why would you risk getting one by taking a medication that has been proven ineffective and not recommended by the FDA for this virus?
What about the public who take Hydroxychloroquine for auto immune diseases? This drug has been in use for many years.

[pittta]

IlIt has been in South America, France, India with good results.
I personally called the nursing home in Texas where it was uses once again successfully (Even after deaths and positive tests, Texas City doctor declares victory with Trump-touted drug - HoustonChronicle.com (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/texas-city-nursing-home-doc-unproven-trump-drug-15270476.php))

Please watch this video for more info


Hydroxychloroquine /Zithromax Treatment Effective on 699 Patients N.Y. Study Find - YouTube (https://youtu.be/gbWZj0RaW9o)

QUOTE=Happinow;1810026]We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.[/QUOTE]

[bmarasco]

I think it’s best to first define how we will be using it !! - I have read that there is a much better chance of benefit in prevention than treatment.

[marysackiss]

The VooDoo Dr from Huston promotes no masks, but, use this drug that does not get, pay attention to the real science!

[Mary Windsor]

Interesting that you’ve been taking this medication. I have had scleroderma for many years, yet no doctor or consultant has ever suggested taking it. Perhaps it’s because I have heart complications, but what benefits did you find after starting it?

[Kilmacowen]

What about the public who take Hydroxychloroquine for auto immune diseases? This drug has been in use for many years.

yes , Used for auto immune disease to suppress the immune system. Why would you want to suppress your immune system for a virus??? Doesn't make sense.

Also, a 12 old neighbor was going to Africa with his physician Dad and got malaria shots , or medication , he never woke the next morning. This was 10 yrs ago and I don't know if it was hydroxycloroquine.

[Bucco]

The overwhelming evidence is against the drug, yet you take the ravings of a lunatic as evidence. Why is it so important to you. Cancer, heart conditions, diabetes medical experts count. COVID you search for proof that a discredited drug should be used. It makes no sense.

I am incredulous that on a forum such as this, people recommending drugs, asking for drugs based on a forum, searching for YouTube videos to validate a drug.

And at the same time, ignoring medical experts, and ignoring what they say.

All seem tied to a political stance. It is hard to believe adults can be like that.

I feel the same way about dispensing medical advice on a forum.

We are not allowed to discuss certain items on here, but we are free to dispense medical opinions, try to validate certain drugs.

I cannot get out of my mind, a young man recently in news (not fake...VERY real) right before he died from Corona, saying he attended a party because he "thought" the virus was a hoax.

Yet our government does not warn, but just enables this stuff.

I pray we have very few cases like the young man, led to die because of tripe being said, NOT in the interest of anything other than P

[GoodLife]

The overwhelming evidence is against the drug, yet you take the ravings of a lunatic as evidence. Why is it so important to you. Cancer, heart conditions, diabetes medical experts count. COVID you search for proof that a discredited drug should be used. It makes no sense.

I haven't seen Dr Immanuel's evidence, but I have read a lot of studies by other Doctors

Many of them show positive results. You keep saying "overwhelming evidence is against the drug" which just shows your ignorance of science.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment (https://c19study.com/)

[Topspinmo]

There’s no proof that it works. Plain and simple. Your view is your own. The medical community is against it except for some quack doctors out there
If you have bad experience form doctor would that be consider a quack doctor? IMO there big majority doctors that prey on gullible women, especially older women prescribing 3 or more drugs day. If you have to have day calendar tray fill of pills you have to take maybe you’re doctor quack? I seen this especially in nursing homes. Keep them drugged up like zombie’ s.

[Bucco]

FDA commish today...

"“I think we can all agree that the issue of hydroxychloroquine has become politicized,” Hahn said. “And it's a shame because … public health emergencies shouldn't be about politics.”

Hydroxychloroquine returns as wedge between President Trump, health advisers - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hydroxychloroquine-returns-wedge-president-trump-health-advisers/story?id=72036996)

I find it appalling in our country (supposedly not of the third world) to allow such reckless behavior as this to continue.

[anothersteve]

Not only do I feel it is wrong to support any drug on this forum, but I do not believe calling other posters "ignorant" is not allowed on here.



Calling someone "ignorant" and saying someone is "ignorant of science" are two different things.
Never was it said someone was ignorant.

Steve

[meboyle]

yes , Used for auto immune disease to suppress the immune system. Why would you want to suppress your immune system for a virus??? Doesn't make sense.

Also, a 12 old neighbor was going to Africa with his physician Dad and got malaria shots , or medication , he never woke the next morning. This was 10 yrs ago and I don't know if it was hydroxycloroquine.

Hydrochloroquine is an anti inflammatory

[George Page]

Interesting, we can buy tobacco and alcohol which we know are harmful yet we cannot get Hydrochloroquine because we don’t know if it is helpful.

[laurette]

i’m in new york city, the only thing i know is the doctors at elmhurst hospital in queens said publicly( just in an early interview of how coping with being in the epicenter) was taking it and he said if anyone should contract covid it would be him. it helped him.

i think it is more supply and demand issue.
same thing with masks. nyc top hospital telling employees , 35k+, no need for a mask. supply became available and now all masks on -mandatory policy.

[Dilligas]

We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.
It’s your body, but you trust the health care of it to her. If you suffered a heart problem because of the medication, you’d sue for malpractices.

[allsport]

Not the ones who promote demon sex and identify as witch doctors. There are always crackpot docs who want the money they can charge to fools who want the medicine. Listen to the ones who are actually competent and credentialed and follow the research and latest healthcare information.

[Skidog]

There are no eminent doctors saying this. They are all quacks.

[Alana33]

We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.
Gee!
No clue why a licensed medical doctor would say NO to your request for a drug that may harm you more than help you!!?

Perchance, a visit to a different type of doctor may help!
I really hope you do get help

[xNYer]

I haven't seen Dr Immanuel's evidence, but I have read a lot of studies by other Doctors

Many of them show positive results. You keep saying "overwhelming evidence is against the drug" which just shows your ignorance of science.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment (https://c19study.com/)

June 15, 2020 Update: Based on ongoing analysis and emerging scientific data, FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) to use hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients when a clinical trial is unavailable or participation is not feasible. We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery. This outcome was consistent with other new data, including those showing the suggested dosing for these medicines are unlikely to kill or inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19. As a result, we determined that the legal criteria for the EUA are no longer met. Please refer to the Revocation of the EUA Letter and FAQs on the Revocation of the EUA for Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate and Chloroquine Phosphate for more information.
You don’t trust the CDC, the FDA, the WHO, but you can find statements online that validate your beliefs. Go for it, it’s your life to disregard major studies.