What a post-vaccine world looks like for seniors. Learn telemed & travel will change

[DeanFL]

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interesting USA Today article>


What a post-vaccine world looks like for seniors: It's time to learn telemed. Oh, and how you travel will change.
Bruce Horovitz Kaiser Health News


Imagine this scenario, perhaps a year or two in the future: An effective COVID-19 vaccine is routinely available and the world is moving forward. Life, however, will likely never be the same – particularly for people over 60.

Medical care
Time to learn telemed.
Many doctors instead of just one.
Drugstores will do more vaccinations.
Your plumbing will be your doctor.


Travel
Punch up on mobile GPS apps.
Regional and local travel will replace foreign travel.
Demand for business class will grow.
Buying three seats for two.
Hotels will market medical care.
Disinfecting will be a sales pitch.
Cruises will require proof of vaccination.


Eating and shopping
Local eateries will gain trust.
Safety will be a bragging point.

Home life
The homecoming.
The fortress.
Older workers will stay home.

Gatherings
Forced social distancing.
Older folks will disengage, at a cost.
Public restrooms will be revamped.

Entire article link>>>

COVID vaccine: How it will change life for baby boomers, seniors (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/08/01/covid-vaccine-how-change-life-baby-boomers-seniors/5548821002/)

[Stu from NYC]

Very interesting.

Will certainly be more people working from home but not sure travel will change once a vaccine is readily available.

[GoodLife]

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interesting USA Today article>


What a post-vaccine world looks like for seniors: It's time to learn telemed. Oh, and how you travel will change.
Bruce Horovitz Kaiser Health News


Imagine this scenario, perhaps a year or two in the future: An effective COVID-19 vaccine is routinely available and the world is moving forward. Life, however, will likely never be the same – particularly for people over 60.

Medical care
Time to learn telemed.
Many doctors instead of just one.
Drugstores will do more vaccinations.
Your plumbing will be your doctor.


Travel
Punch up on mobile GPS apps.
Regional and local travel will replace foreign travel.
Demand for business class will grow.
Buying three seats for two.
Hotels will market medical care.
Disinfecting will be a sales pitch.
Cruises will require proof of vaccination.


Eating and shopping
Local eateries will gain trust.
Safety will be a bragging point.

Home life
The homecoming.
The fortress.
Older workers will stay home.

Gatherings
Forced social distancing.
Older folks will disengage, at a cost.
Public restrooms will be revamped.

Entire article link>>>

COVID vaccine: How it will change life for baby boomers, seniors (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/08/01/covid-vaccine-how-change-life-baby-boomers-seniors/5548821002/)

A ridiculous article. When this is over things will get back to normal.

Why would we change everything for something slightly worse than a normal flu, equally bad as a bad flu (1957) or much less bad than a really bad flu (1918)

[Stu from NYC]

A ridiculous article. When this is over things will get back to normal.

Why would we change everything for something slightly worse than a normal flu, equally bad as a bad flu (1957) or much less bad than a really bad flu (1918)

I do believe companies will find they can save a lot of money on office space by having employees work from home. Many people will find they like it as they will have no commuting time and can sure save a lot of money on work clothes.

i do think there will be more telemed and via smart phone apps less need to see DR when not feeling well.

Other than that think the world will go back to wear it was for the most part.

[Chi-Town]

The article contained no gloom and doom scenarios, just some thought provoking and perhaps likely outcomes. Enjoyed it.

[Number 10 GI]

A ridiculous article. When this is over things will get back to normal.

Why would we change everything for something slightly worse than a normal flu, equally bad as a bad flu (1957) or much less bad than a really bad flu (1918)

I agree. This virus will be quickly forgotten once a vaccine is developed. People don't remember unpleasant events for very long and want to get back to party time.

[Robyn1963]

I believe at this time restaurants are cleaner than ever. They are consistently cleaning ,sanitizing ,and disinfecting .

Travel- Traveling to Aruba in January the country requires you to pay for in country health insurance Based on the length of your trip. It’s priced per day and goes down the longer your stay.

The world as we know it has changed and it will be a new normal.

Unfortunately many small businesses will be out of business.

[rlcooper70]

I love this one ... "something a little worse than the flu" .... 75% of people 43-55 have lasting myocardial inflammation after surviving this one. 250,000 Americans will be dead by the time its over ... "it ain't the flu".

[Andyb]

Unconstitutional to deny anyone for anything for not getting a COVID vaccine. Some people medically can not receive the poisonous vaccines.

[GoodLife]

I love this one ... "something a little worse than the flu" .... 75% of people 43-55 have lasting myocardial inflammation after surviving this one. 250,000 Americans will be dead by the time its over ... "it ain't the flu".

Did you read the actual studies? Here is a cardiologists explaining what they mean.

Does COVID-19 Cause Heart Damage? A Cardiologist Explains the New Research (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/does-covid-19-cause-heart-damage-a-cardiologist-explains-the-new-research/ar-BB17leBN)

[jbrown132]

I love this one ... "something a little worse than the flu" .... 75% of people 43-55 have lasting myocardial inflammation after surviving this one. 250,000 Americans will be dead by the time its over ... "it ain't the flu".
Covid is bad but the 1918 flu killed 50 million people world wide with 650,000 in the US. Depending on what source you believe, the CDC in the US or British sources the 1957 flu killed 1.1-4 million people worldwide. Any pandemic is bad problem die from them but to say Covid is worse statistically is just not true.

[diva1]

Unconstitutional to deny anyone for anything for not getting a COVID vaccine. Some people medically can not receive the poisonous vaccines.

So now you have a constitutional right to go on a cruise?

[Trishakaye]

I love this one ... "something a little worse than the flu" .... 75% of people 43-55 have lasting myocardial inflammation after surviving this one. 250,000 Americans will be dead by the time its over ... "it ain't the flu".

Don’t forget scarred lungs. Can vouch for that!

[Stu from NYC]

So now you have a constitutional right to go on a cruise?

Very good point.

I would be very disappointed if the cruise lines did not insist on proof of vaccination once it is safe to cruise again. Actually on second thought would cancel any cruise on that line and would be sure to tell them why.

[Villagesgal]

I think that once there is a vaccine every person will decide for themselves what potential risk they will take whether it be getting the vaccine, world travel, real doctor visits, club meetings, partying in large groups, etc. It's ridiculous to make such generalities. I for one will get the vaccine and travel the world again, but that's my choice. I will honor your choice and hopefully you will honor mine.

[anothersteve]

I'll get the vaccine when I turn 85 and start smoking again.

Steve

[GoodLife]

I love this one ... "something a little worse than the flu" .... 75% of people 43-55 have lasting myocardial inflammation after surviving this one. 250,000 Americans will be dead by the time its over ... "it ain't the flu".

Myocarditis is a common complication of the flu

Myocarditis Associated with Influenza A H1N1pdm2009 (https://www.hindawi.com/journals/irt/2012/351979/#introduction)

[davem4616]

A few other things that IMO may change in a post-vaccine world are:

Business travel is likely to be significantly lower than before covid-19 and virtual meetings will become more the norm....which will have an impact on the number of flights that the airlines offer and that will also impact the cost of flying

Hotels occupancy rates will be adversely impacted as a result of less business travel

'brick and mortar' stores will continue to 'shutter' stores as people continue to shift to online buying

hotels, rental car agencies, movie theaters, taxies, Uber, mass transit, etc. will continue to sanitize, as a routine cost of doing business

Conferences and conventions will be scaled back...which will have an adverse impact on revenue for any number of 'host cities'...

virtual learning will be fully accepted as academically equal to a 'brick and mortar' educational experience

anticipate that various 'use' taxes will increase as local and state governments try to recover lost revenue and increased expenses (impacting hotels, restaurants, etc.)

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

The only reason this virus is not the same or worse as the 1918’, is because of the medical treatments and prevention tactics that unfortunately the rest of the world seemed to learn faster then USA and Brazil and sadlyin some parts of the country still have a lot to learn

[shut the front door]

Very good point.

I would be very disappointed if the cruise lines did not insist on proof of vaccination once it is safe to cruise again. Actually on second thought would cancel any cruise on that line and would be sure to tell them why.

Why? If YOU have been vaccinated, why would you care if others are? Are you doubting the vaccine will work? Because that is the only reason you should care if anyone around you has had one.

[Stu from NYC]

Why? If YOU have been vaccinated, why would you care if others are? Are you doubting the vaccine will work? Because that is the only reason you should care if anyone around you has had one.

It would be better to wait some period of time to make sure that the vaccine does not have side effects.

Depending upon how they decide to make it available might be mid of next year for our turn.

In answer to your question I do believe vaccines are life saving and if people do not take it run the risk of them passing it on to others.

[jimjamuser]

A ridiculous article. When this is over things will get back to normal.

Why would we change everything for something slightly worse than a normal flu, equally bad as a bad flu (1957) or much less bad than a really bad flu (1918)
Will all travel roads lead to dismissal of anything CV? Will history books not EVEN mention it? Actually, for there to be a TRULY CV free world AFTER the PAGUE passes, you will need MORE than just a vaccine. You need Americans to buy into the idea of RECEIVING one. You need about 80%. There are currently, in the USA, a lot of anti-vaccers, and anti-SCIENCE-ers, in general. So, it will be difficult to get to 80%. Some people equate CV with the common flu - others think that it is much worse. There are statistics and facts that prove which is more deadly. So, the question for the future of America , who is right? - Science or non-science. I have my opinion, so I will get the vaccine when available and proven safe. But, I will NOT be safe if many people disagree with me. So, my fate is in your hands, and I am TRULY afraid.
This CV problem could go on for years and "herd immunity" will NOT save the planet, any more than the "flat earth society" correctly predicted anything! Ask yourselves also, why has Europe and Asia handled CV better than we did? The past is prologue.

[loweglor]

You might not reach 85 if you don’t get the vaccine.

[anothersteve]

You might not reach 85 if you don’t get the vaccine.

Thanks....your opinion is well noted.

Steve

[jimjamuser]

The article contained no gloom and doom scenarios, just some thought provoking and perhaps likely outcomes. Enjoyed it.
The 1918 flu KEPT coming back for 4 YEARS. The flu KEPT flaring up. If past IS prologue, and this CV does a similar thing or worse MUTATES , we could be looking at significant and UNFORESEEABLE social changes. So, speculation about some short-term future blissful-return to "normal" is speculation and hope to the point of "happy talk". We all hope it goes away, but hope is not a strategy. Europe has taken CV serious. That IS a strategy.

[jimjamuser]

I love this one ... "something a little worse than the flu" .... 75% of people 43-55 have lasting myocardial inflammation after surviving this one. 250,000 Americans will be dead by the time its over ... "it ain't the flu".
Well pointed out! - the lasting effects! And on children. So, maybe the future is not so bright, that we have to wear shades?

[jimjamuser]

So now you have a constitutional right to go on a cruise?
Touche!!!!

[jimjamuser]

A few other things that IMO may change in a post-vaccine world are:

Business travel is likely to be significantly lower than before covid-19 and virtual meetings will become more the norm....which will have an impact on the number of flights that the airlines offer and that will also impact the cost of flying

Hotels occupancy rates will be adversely impacted as a result of less business travel

'brick and mortar' stores will continue to 'shutter' stores as people continue to shift to online buying

hotels, rental car agencies, movie theaters, taxies, Uber, mass transit, etc. will continue to sanitize, as a routine cost of doing business

Conferences and conventions will be scaled back...which will have an adverse impact on revenue for any number of 'host cities'...

virtual learning will be fully accepted as academically equal to a 'brick and mortar' educational experience

anticipate that various 'use' taxes will increase as local and state governments try to recover lost revenue and increased expenses (impacting hotels, restaurants, etc.)
Use taxes are a flat tax. Pushes countries to become - 3rd world. Beware!

[jimjamuser]

Why? If YOU have been vaccinated, why would you care if others are? Are you doubting the vaccine will work? Because that is the only reason you should care if anyone around you has had one.
Another reason might be that you care to not infect another country that you are traveling to, or kill off a whole indigenous culture. That has happened and such cultures are in severe decline. You might not wish to see fellow travelers on that cruise ship infected either? In general, caring needs to be reciprocated.

[Villages Kahuna]

Last week I asked my doc what he would do if a vaccine was made available soon. He answered...”I’d get in line, waay at the end of the line.”

Too many unproven issues...does it work at a very high rate?...how long will the protection last?...and of course, what are the side effects (both short term and long term)?

[Byte1]

It would be better to wait some period of time to make sure that the vaccine does not have side effects.

Depending upon how they decide to make it available might be mid of next year for our turn.

In answer to your question I do believe vaccines are life saving and if people do not take it run the risk of them passing it on to others.

Like someone asked before, why would it matter as long as you have the vaccine? And if they don't have it, how would they pass it on to others? If others have it, the chances of them contracting it and then passing it on is very minute. First off, they would have to be around someone that has it. Then they would have to be susceptible to it, and then in order for them to pass it on, they would have to be around someone else that did not have the vaccination. I have never had the flu and have not had a flu shot in 50 years, so on and so forth. You get it.

[Stu from NYC]

Like someone asked before, why would it matter as long as you have the vaccine? And if they don't have it, how would they pass it on to others? If others have it, the chances of them contracting it and then passing it on is very minute. First off, they would have to be around someone that has it. Then they would have to be susceptible to it, and then in order for them to pass it on, they would have to be around someone else that did not have the vaccination. I have never had the flu and have not had a flu shot in 50 years, so on and so forth. You get it.

Was about to type a response but post 29 says it very well.

[shut the front door]

It would be better to wait some period of time to make sure that the vaccine does not have side effects.

Depending upon how they decide to make it available might be mid of next year for our turn.

In answer to your question I do believe vaccines are life saving and if people do not take it run the risk of them passing it on to others.

If you believe that the vaccine will work and will save your life, it is of zero concern to you if anyone else has been vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, you don't have any business pushing your views on other people. You are protected, they can't hurt you.

[Heyitsrick]

Europe has taken CV serious. That IS a strategy.

I've seen you say this a couple of times, and I'm interested in how you're arriving at this whole "Europe is taking CV seriously" notion (where I guess you mean we're not).

I used two sources - populationof.net and the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus stats map as of today to tally up some numbers related to Covid-19 in the US and in Europe.

For Europe, I had to use countries whose populations when added together are quite close to the US population. So, I chose:

UK
France
Germany
Spain
Sweden
Italy

The population of those six countries when added are just about what they are for the US: between 333 million (US) and about 334.4 million for those countries (assuming I used the calculator correctly, lol).

Then, I added up the Johns Hopkins COVID death tallies as of today for all the countries mentioned above.

The US came in at 156801.

The European countries came in at 155171, in total.

I don't know about your reckoning, but that's pretty darn close. Now, are the trend lines different as of today? I'm not sure. There's been some flare ups in Europe recently, but the US might have a higher daily death rate today. That said, though, I'm not seeing a demonstrative difference in the death tallies by population right now - at least not so much so as to say one group is taking things more seriously than this country is.

[Stu from NYC]

If you believe that the vaccine will work and will save your life, it is of zero concern to you if anyone else has been vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, you don't have any business pushing your views on other people. You are protected, they can't hurt you.

Has it occurred to you that we can be protected but people who will not avail themselves of a life saving vaccine can hurt others including folks we care about?

[thelegges]

Has it occurred to you that we can be protected but people who will not avail themselves of a life saving vaccine can hurt others including folks we care about?

Never had the flu, and can’t use the vaccine, so I am more worried about those who have had the vaccine, and still get the new flu strain Nonetheless.

[coffeebean]

If you believe that the vaccine will work and will save your life, it is of zero concern to you if anyone else has been vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, you don't have any business pushing your views on other people. You are protected, they can't hurt you.

Not so. If not enough people are vaccinated which it the safer way to achieve herd immunity, the economy will never get back to normal. Who knows when sports will ever be back to normal with fans attending games? Herd immunity is the way we, as a nation, will ever get back to normal as we knew normal prior to this pandemic. Isn't the "old normal" what most people want? If your answer is "yes", then think about how we all can achieve that.

[Number 10 GI]

A ridiculous article. When this is over things will get back to normal.

Why would we change everything for something slightly worse than a normal flu, equally bad as a bad flu (1957) or much less bad than a really bad flu (1918)

I agree, pure drivel.