2 adult children and 12 year old moved in across the street.

[Sunflower1]

My healthy neighbor has moved first 1 adult daughter, and now another adult daughter and a minor grandchild into her home. It’s been over 30 days, figure I will give it a few months. The grandchild looks to be about 12. Occasionally the daughter’s boyfriend comes to stay. It’s a 3 bedroom house, so hopefully not many more will be moving in. Besides vehicles parked on the street, they are quiet. Has anyone else seen an increase in the number of under 55 people moving into their neighborhood? I live in an established village between 466 & 466A. Who knows, maybe it is pandemic related. Not what I expected for a 55+ community. Thoughts?

[skip0358]

The young one's under the age of 19 can visit for 30 days. The older one's can stay. As far as the Car parking I'm not 100% on this but I do believe there is NO overnight street parking so you may want to call the Sheriff on that one. As for the children the District Office can direct you on that one.

[blueash]

My healthy neighbor has moved first 1 adult daughter, and now another adult daughter and a minor grandchild into her home. The grandchild looks to be about 12. Occasionally the daughter’s boyfriend comes to stay. It’s a 3 bedroom house, so hopefully not many more will be moving in. Besides vehicles parked on the street, they are quiet. Has anyone else seen an increase in the number of under 55 people moving into their neighborhood? I live in an established village between 466 & 466A. Who knows, maybe it is pandemic related. Not what I expected for a 55+ community. Thoughts?

There is, as you likely know, a prohibition on persons under 19 living in TV. Any person may visit for up to 30 days per year. So the 12 year old is allowed for up to 30 days. This rule is federal law in the definition of an adult age restricted community. Enforcement of the regulation is 100% up to the developer not the community.

There is no restriction on the number of persons 19-54 living here. There is a requirement that 80% of the homes must be owned by a person age 55+. Your neighbor's home sounds like it is owned by a senior. But I could own my home and have many young adults living in it and still be in full compliance and count toward the 80% number. I believe the only regulation TV has is that they will only issue 4 ID cards per address not that you cannot have more than 4 in the home.

As to what you can do about the 12 year old if she is a resident not a visitor.. if they are quiet and not disturbing you, one choice is to say hello and feel sorry for that child having to living in a community with no other children because of family or economic problems. Or you can complain to Community Standards after 30 days and ask for direction on how this issue can be resolved to your satisfaction. 352-751-3912

You can also email deedcompliance@districtgov.org Should you do so your email is subject to public disclosure if you care.

Here is the language on https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/communityStandardsFAQ.pdf

"Deed restrictions are declarations between the [Developer] and the Property Owner. Who can enforce the deed restrictions?
o Any property owner of any lot may seek to enforce external and internal restrictions against another property owner.
o The [Developer] may seek to enforce external and internal restrictions.
o The Village Community Development Districts through adopted Rule may enforce certain EXTERNAL restrictions that have been adopted by each Board to enforce as authorized by Chapter 190 of Florida Statutes.
...
If you have a concern regarding internal deed restrictions such as underage children in the home, business in the home or the like, contact the Community Standards Department at 352-751-3912 or email deedcompliance@districtgov.org and the information will be forwarded to the Developer to address. "

Notice that only the Developer is involved in internal restrictions. [I have changed the word Declarant to its equivalent = Developer] Rumor has it that the Developer has shown little or no interest in addressing this issue in the past.

Our streets are public and there is no prohibition on overnight parking unless the parking impedes emergency vehicles.

[retiredguy123]

I hope you will pursue enforcing the rule regarding the 12 year old. Rules that are ignored and not consistently enforced tend to be challenged in court, and then they can become unenforceable.

[Nucky]

How many times in life have we jumped the gun and passed judgment on a situation before it actually happens? There has been no violation yet if I'm getting the entire picture. Maybe they are having some kind of difficulty in their family life or just had a loss and are circling the wagons to comfort one another contrary to COVID Rules or Suggestions.

Since the inventory of these quiet people has been taken perhaps there is a way you could find out how to assist them if they are having trouble instead of preparing to hammer them.

Rules are Rules I understand but these are special times. Think it through before you act. Good Luck.

[Nucky]

I hope you will pursue enforcing the rule regarding the 12 year old. Rules that are ignored and not consistently enforced tend to be challenged in court, and then they can become unenforceable.

/// :pray:

[Bjeanj]

I have read on this forum (so who knows if it’s accurate) that TV controls the outside of a home, the developer controls the inside. In other words, good luck with that.

[Stu from NYC]

At the moment have other things to worry about.The kid will be bored out of their mind and push parents to move out

[Marathon Man]

...

As to what you can do about the 12 year old if she is a resident not a visitor.. if they are quiet and not disturbing you, one choice is to say hello and feel sorry for that child having to living in a community with no other children because of family or economic problems.

...

Excellent advice.

[Marathon Man]

I hope you will pursue enforcing the rule regarding the 12 year old. Rules that are ignored and not consistently enforced tend to be challenged in court, and then they can become unenforceable.

Anyone can file a complaint. The person who is bothered by the situation is usually the one to do it.

[Stu from NYC]

Wonder how long these folks are even in the house? If not 30 days why worry about it.

[retiredguy123]

Anyone can file a complaint. The person who is bothered by the situation is usually the one to do it.
I have never filed a complaint in The Villages because I don't care about lawn ornaments. But, I would file a complaint if a neighbor violated the no child rule. That rule is one of the main reasons that I moved to The Villages. If someone has a special hardship because of the virus, they could ask The Villages to waive the rule.

[Bogie Shooter]

Nothing to report until 30 days have passed. Wait... maybe that only applies to visitors. Who would have an address somewhere else.

[petsetc]

"There is a requirement that 80% of the homes must be owned by a person age 55+"

I believe that to be technically correct, the requirement is that one resident (not necessarily the owner) must be 55+.

Also, the no child under 129 for more than 30 days a year is a deed covenant, not part of the "law" for 55+ communities.

I believe that we need to be concise in these type conversations.

FWIW

[thelegges]

My healthy neighbor has moved first 1 adult daughter, and now another adult daughter and a minor grandchild into her home. It’s been over 30 days, figure I will give it a few months. The grandchild looks to be about 12. Occasionally the daughter’s boyfriend comes to stay. It’s a 3 bedroom house, so hopefully not many more will be moving in. Besides vehicles parked on the street, they are quiet. Has anyone else seen an increase in the number of under 55 people moving into their neighborhood? I live in an established village between 466 & 466A. Who knows, maybe it is pandemic related. Not what I expected for a 55+ community. Thoughts?

Since you know that this is their adult daughters, you must know the neighbor pretty well. Wouldn’t it be easier to speak to them privately about the situation of a under 19 visiting for over 30 days.

[Bogie Shooter]

I believe that to be technically correct, the requirement is that one resident (not necessarily the owner) must be 55+.

Also, the no child under 129 for more than 30 days a year is a deed covenant, not part of the "law" for 55+ communities.

I believe that we need to be concise in these type conversations.

FWIW

Or have a reference source to point to.

[Stu from NYC]

Since you know that this is their adult daughters, you must know the neighbor pretty well. Wouldn’t it be easier to speak to them privately about the situation of a under 19 visiting for over 30 days.

Good advise, hate it when people turn you in to the authorities for no good reason

[davem4616]

Since you know that this is their adult daughters, you must know the neighbor pretty well. Wouldn’t it be easier to speak to them privately about the situation of a under 19 visiting for over 30 days.


so you really think that talking to them is going to make a difference?

if the kid is there after 40 days, that kid is going to be there for the long haul

drop a dime...the kid isn't allowed to live here

sorry for your troubles...but honor the deed restrictions

[shut the front door]

Wonder how long these folks are even in the house? If not 30 days why worry about it.

Read the OP. He already said more than 30 days.

[Jayhawk]

I believe that to be technically correct, the requirement is that one resident (not necessarily the owner) must be 55+.

Also, the no child under 129 for more than 30 days a year is a deed covenant, not part of the "law" for 55+ communities.

I believe that we need to be concise in these type conversations.

FWIW

We can start with the age of the children. :)

[Stu from NYC]

Read the OP. He already said more than 30 days.

oops your right, my bad.

Would have casual conversation with people first as to their plans and than consider next action if any.

If for example kids lost their job during this period and had no place to live and parents took them in for now would do absolutely nothing.

[golfing eagles]

At the moment have other things to worry about.The kid will be bored out of their mind and push parents to move out

Or looking for trouble......

[Bay Kid]

Since you know that this is their adult daughters, you must know the neighbor pretty well. Wouldn’t it be easier to speak to them privately about the situation of a under 19 visiting for over 30 days.

Great idea to talk to them first. There is so much going on in our country that could be the reason they are still there. Give them a chance to explain.

[Dgizzi]

I have never filed a complaint in The Villages because I don't care about lawn ornaments. But, I would file a complaint if a neighbor violated the no child rule. That rule is one of the main reasons that I moved to The Villages. If someone has a special hardship because of the virus, they could ask The Villages to waive the rule.
I agree. I moved to The Villages as a 55 and older community. Why can’t people follow those rules! But with this large community it will be hard to keep track. No such thing as 55 and older community

[Stu from NYC]

I agree. I moved to The Villages as a 55 and older community. Why can’t people follow those rules! But with this large community it will be hard to keep track. No such thing as 55 and older community

There are circumstances in everyones life that causes them to do things they would not otherwise do.

In this case as long as they are not bothering anyone else why make a mountain out of a molehill?

[billethkid]

How do people know whether someone in the neighborhood is visiting or moved in?
How do they know they are relatives of one kind or another?
How do they know the age of the visitors?
How do they know how many days someone has been at a particular address?
Etc.

[RedChariot]

Report this! If allowed to stay the child will need to be registered for school. A school bus will be coming to the neighborhood to pick up and drop off child. As child becomes a teenager other problems will develop. Non of us bought into this when purchasing a home here with our life savings.

[retiredguy123]

How do people know whether someone in the neighborhood is visiting or moved in?
How do they know they are relatives of one kind or another?
How do they know the age of the visitors?
How do they know how many days someone has been at a particular address?
Etc.
It would be pretty easy to determine that a 12 year old lives in the neighborhood.

[Red White & Blue]

I for one don't miss looking at Grandma dancing at the square with the very young either. :icon_bored:

[coffeebean]

I for one don't miss looking at Grandma dancing at the square with the very young either. :icon_bored:

I rather enjoy watching the young kids "dancing" in the squares with each other and with grandma. What I don't want is for the young kids to live full time in my neighborhood. We left the "bedroom community" behind and want to live in a senior community.

[Velvet]

Great idea to talk to them first. There is so much going on in our country that could be the reason they are still there. Give them a chance to explain.

No explanation for breaking rules.

[Topspinmo]

Nothing to report until 30 days have passed. Wait... maybe that only applies to visitors. Who would have an address somewhere else.

Agree, Nothing to report after that? Nobody monitoring it and neighbors can complain but now way prove they been there more than 30 days. This situation probably going to get worse with millions out of jobs now? I sure the daughter that got the child prefer to live elsewhere, unless she’s wants to dump the child on mommy. If they are not causing trouble I’d be happy there not the drug addicts and drunks that large percentage seem to follow mommy or grandpa to villages.

[Topspinmo]

No explanation for breaking rules.

Good luck with that one :ohdear:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Report this! If allowed to stay the child will need to be registered for school. A school bus will be coming to the neighborhood to pick up and drop off child. As child becomes a teenager other problems will develop. Non of us bought into this when purchasing a home here with our life savings.

Not necessarily so, at all. If a kid attends private school there will be no school bus. The parents have to bring the kid to school. Considering that the public education system in Florida sucks, it's very likely that the kid will be in private school.

[Velvet]

Well, I’m just thinking, had to sell my parents’ originally in TV because couldn’t bring my young kids for more than 30 days, then why should others? You can take a photo to document. I’d probably not do it if I liked my neighbor though.

[Marathon Man]

Report this! If allowed to stay the child will need to be registered for school. A school bus will be coming to the neighborhood to pick up and drop off child. As child becomes a teenager other problems will develop. Non of us bought into this when purchasing a home here with our life savings.

compassion
[kəmˈpaSHən]
Noun
sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others.

[Jack58033]

My healthy neighbor has moved first 1 adult daughter, and now another adult daughter and a minor grandchild into her home. It’s been over 30 days, figure I will give it a few months. The grandchild looks to be about 12. Occasionally the daughter’s boyfriend comes to stay. It’s a 3 bedroom house, so hopefully not many more will be moving in. Besides vehicles parked on the street, they are quiet. Has anyone else seen an increase Whatin the number of under 55 people moving into their neighborhood? I live in an established village between 466 & 466A. Who knows, maybe it is pandemic related. Not what I expected for a 55+ community. Thoughts?
What if they were your kids?

[Velvet]

What if they were your kids?

That’s what I am saying, they were/are my kids and I had to sell the home in TV because of this rule.

[Vikingjunior]

After 30 days the kid would establish residence and it may take a court order to get them out.

[Velvet]

Shouldn’t be much problem. I would not put my faith on being able to break the deed. There was a reason why I had to sell.

[Red White & Blue]

What if they were your kids?

If they were his kids they be in the 40s, not holding on to his tail coat. :boxing2:

[Nevermore]

Omg! You might see a school bus! The horror of it. Give people a break, they are doing the best they can. Maybe Mom lost job because of COVID and got evicted. Where should she go? To a homeless shelter. Give the family a chance to get their lives in order. We had two families who were talking care of grandkids when there was no other solution. They were great kids, everyone enjoyed them.

[Stu from NYC]

Omg! You might see a school bus! The horror of it. Give people a break, they are doing the best they can. Maybe Mom lost job because of COVID and got evicted. Where should she go? To a homeless shelter. Give the family a chance to get their lives in order. We had two families who were talking care of grandkids when there was no other solution. They were great kids, everyone enjoyed them.

why are people here so afraid of a couple of kids living here temporarily?

[Topspinmo]

why are people here so afraid of a couple of kids living here temporarily?

Those rules that nobody has to follow. :popcorn:

[Topspinmo]

If they were his kids they be in the 40s, not holding on to his tail coat. :boxing2:


Well?????? Not in all cases:duck:

[retiredguy123]

Lots of speculation on this thread. Apparently, the OP doesn't want a 12 year old living across the street. I wouldn't either. There is no evidence that the virus has anything to do with it. In my neighborhood, you can place all the ornaments you want on your lawn. I don't care. But, if you move a child into the neighborhood, I will be filing a complaint on day 31. This is a retirement community and children under 19 are not allowed to live here. That is why I moved here in the first place. I don't want to live near children. Why can't people just follow the rules?

[blueash]

Lots of speculation on this thread. Apparently, the OP doesn't want a 12 year old living across the street. I wouldn't either. There is no evidence that the virus has anything to do with it. In my neighborhood, you can place all the ornaments you want on your lawn. I don't care. But, if you move a child into the neighborhood, I will be filing a complaint on day 31. This is a retirement community and children under 19 are not allowed to live here. That is why I moved here in the first place. I don't want to live near children. Why can't people just follow the rules?

Your last sentence, Why can't people just follow the rules, gets to the issue here. Everyone agrees the rule exists, for good reason. Some believe no matter what situation has led to this pre-teen being in the home, the rule is the most important thing [not that the Morses are going to enforce it] Others here, exhibiting some modicum of humanity and compassion feel that given our national emergency situation maybe, just maybe, a small amount of understanding might be extended to this family.

There may very well be a reason this family can't follow the rule. YMMV

[retiredguy123]

Your last sentence, Why can't people just follow the rules, gets to the issue here. Everyone agrees the rule exists, for good reason. Some believe no matter what situation has led to this pre-teen being in the home, the rule is the most important thing [not that the Morses are going to enforce it] Others here, exhibiting some modicum of humanity and compassion feel that given our national emergency situation maybe, just maybe, a small amount of understanding might be extended to this family.

There may very well be a reason this family can't follow the rule. YMMV
No one knows why they are not following the rules. But, in my opinion, the proper approach would be to notify The Villages before moving in, and ask for an exception to the rule.

[Nucky]

It's easy to wanna chase them and follow the rules if you have never been jammed up in a rough life situation. Why not let this one play out? Let's see what happens after the month passes.

I'm with the posters who would cut them a husk during these extraordinary times. It's probably NOTHING anyway.

[lorelei1954@hotmail.com]

Sad attitude with all that is going on in the world today. Before going after a 12 year old's roof over her head, you may want to find something positive to do for others....

[Stu from NYC]

Sad attitude with all that is going on in the world today. Before going after a 12 year old's roof over her head, you may want to find something positive to do for others....

Very true

[EviesGP]

Yeah...gnomes, ornaments, galore! But no adolescents! Wait, what???

[RedChariot]

why are people here so afraid of a couple of kids living here temporarily?

Because it may turn out NOT to be temporary. Because it may become more prevalent. Bottom line most of us moved here to be in an ADULT community.

[TooColdNJ]

My healthy neighbor has moved first 1 adult daughter, and now another adult daughter and a minor grandchild into her home. It’s been over 30 days, figure I will give it a few months. The grandchild looks to be about 12. Occasionally the daughter’s boyfriend comes to stay. It’s a 3 bedroom house, so hopefully not many more will be moving in. Besides vehicles parked on the street, they are quiet. Has anyone else seen an increase in the number of under 55 people moving into their neighborhood? I live in an established village between 466 & 466A. Who knows, maybe it is pandemic related. Not what I expected for a 55+ community. Thoughts?

I was in this situation elsewhere a number of years ago. At the time, the neighbor directly across the street had her son’s baby living with her, because her 20 year old son and his EX girlfriend were irresponsible. The only way to prove something like this is to watch their house 24-7 at all hours. Got your binoculars ready?!

True, this is an adult community and why we moved here. When I thought about it back then, I asked myself WHY I would complain, especially if they are quiet and well-behaved— not affecting me at all. If cars are parked out in the street, unless they block your driveway OVERNIGHT (since most people are in lock-down by 9PM anyway), think about why you care. I sure wouldn’t want the situation to set a precedence, but it doesn’t mean that more people will move into the house or other houses around you.

As it turned out, the baby turned into a toddler. We moved since then, so I don’t know what the situation is now. The point I’m making is that I did some soul-searching: What would make me care if it wasn’t affecting me? Because it was against the rules? Maybe I should have become a lawyer or police officer! I realized that my “need for control”, if that was the reason, should be of myself in own life and personal space, not that of others.

These are thoughts, as you requested. Maybe you’re worried and anticipating problems—wanting to be prepared if/when it infringes on your rights to live child-free. But for now, although you may never have complained about items in a garden— which I commend you for— your concern is premature and (due to the seriousness of the times) just as disconcerting as the trolls that canvas the neighborhood for rule infractions.

Maybe you’re just wondering—in case it gets worse, which I understand. To complain without being personally affected is more of desire for control (of others?). Think about it... it’s nice to see cute, well-behaved children around once in a while instead of some of the grouchy old people we encounter.

[Retiring]

My healthy neighbor has moved first 1 adult daughter, and now another adult daughter and a minor grandchild into her home. It’s been over 30 days, figure I will give it a few months. The grandchild looks to be about 12. Occasionally the daughter’s boyfriend comes to stay. It’s a 3 bedroom house, so hopefully not many more will be moving in. Besides vehicles parked on the street, they are quiet. Has anyone else seen an increase in the number of under 55 people moving into their neighborhood? I live in an established village between 466 & 466A. Who knows, maybe it is pandemic related. Not what I expected for a 55+ community. Thoughts?

If adult daughters are considered mom’s “care givers,” can anyone (including the courts) say the caregiver’s child cannot live with her mom? Drs don’t hesitate to issue a note saying an elderly patient needs a caregiver. If the homeowner appears fit and healthy, it doesn’t mean she didn’t get her paperwork in order for her daughters and granddaughter to live in TV.

Secondly, I too feel sorry for the child. At 12, I couldn’t imagine being forced to live in a town of old people.

Since they are quiet neighbors I would not say anything. However, if there are TV violations that are black and white, such as street parking (if that’s a deed violation in your village), I would call enforcement.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

How many times in life have we jumped the gun and passed judgment on a situation before it actually happens? There has been no violation yet if I'm getting the entire picture. Maybe they are having some kind of difficulty in their family life or just had a loss and are circling the wagons to comfort one another contrary to COVID Rules or Suggestions.

Since the inventory of these quiet people has been taken perhaps there is a way you could find out how to assist them if they are having trouble instead of preparing to hammer them.

Rules are Rules I understand but these are special times. Think it through before you act. Good Luck.

If the 12 year old has been there for over 30 days there has been a violation.

I would have no objection to temporarily overlooking the rule if it is a case of a family problem or a loss. If they are reported however, and the developer takes action they will be gone. I would wait a while and see what happens. They might have a plan for the future that entails staying here for another month or two.

If the girl is still here after three months or whatever time you feel I would then report the situation.

[j_vermilya]

I am not speaking to the specific situation, but part of the question asked for others' experiences and thoughts. I am seeing many more adult children living here. I certainly have noticed it as a swimmer, which is about the only amenity I use-and I'm talking about the sports pools, not neighborhood pools. Many times I wait for a lane, when the swimmers, who must be residents, are maybe 30-40 years old. Yes, there are bigger problems, and no, I don't report anyone. But nonetheless, it is a growing trend in my experience.

[JSR22]

I am not speaking to the specific situation, but part of the question asked for others' experiences and thoughts. I am seeing many more adult children living here. I certainly have noticed it as a swimmer, which is about the only amenity I use-and I'm talking about the sports pools, not neighborhood pools. Many times I wait for a lane, when the swimmers, who must be residents, are maybe 30-40 years old. Yes, there are bigger problems, and no, I don't report anyone. But nonetheless, it is a growing trend in my experience.

Adult children are allowed to live here full time as long as they are 19 and older.

[Topspinmo]

Adult children are allowed to live here full time as long as they are 19 and older.


don't you mean adult moocher's.:shocked:

[JSR22]

don't you mean adult moocher's.:shocked:

There are many adult children who are caregivers.

[TooColdNJ]

I agree. I moved to The Villages as a 55 and older community. Why can’t people follow those rules! But with this large community it will be hard to keep track. No such thing as 55 and older community

Yes, the rule allows us to live in a community without kids, plural... and the amenities were appealing as well. We all signed off and agreed to the rules and regs.

We all are responsible for our own actions. Unless, someone’s actions affect you for a VALID REASON, not just the fact that they’re breaking a rule that happens to be you pet peeve, it’s no one else’s business.
IMO, that’s the nature of a confrontational person in not just this area of their life.

Why does the OP or anyone else care If it isn’t affecting them?? It doesn’t change anything about your home in the community, use of facilities, or choice of activities. If it’s not affecting you, why the need to “tattle” on others?

I drive by a house a block or two from me and wonder how the senior trolls missed it! It’s awful. My neighbor a couple doors down hasn’t trimmed shrubs in front of his house, and weeds are growing under them. He’s not very friendly either. Unless i was selling my house, I could care less. I’d bitch about it to my husband, not run and complain.

People break rules— one too many flower pots, little flags, a small turtle yard sculpture, and some people complain or tell them they’re breaking a rule. If they’re your friends, of course you wouldn’t. If you’re a vindictive person with beef to pick, then you might. If you’re someone who has nothing better to do with your time, you also might. A house a couple of blocks from me was painted a color I’ve never seen before and stuck out like a sore thumb. It was so different that I couldn’t imagine it being approved, and I didn’t like it. I’d be nothing more than an AH if I did.

We abide by rules, but it’s not our place to enforce them.... unless it affects our privacy or right to peace and quiet in a childless community.

[Velvet]

The way TV is set up is that enforcement is complaint driven. Therefore it is up to us, all of us, to determine how our neighborhoods should be. One person should not thumb their noses on the rest. People have paid a premium to live in TV and not in the family section. My home was over $100,000 more because it is in TV not the family section, could have gotten a larger home, larger yard, with nice pool in the family villages for $100,000 less but then no amenities no golf cart path connection.

Covid puts us in a special situation, but if we make an exception, will that not set a precedent?

[Whatever]

Who is responsible for enforcing deed restrictions?

[Ladygolfer93]

How many times in life have we jumped the gun and passed judgment on a situation before it actually happens? There has been no violation yet if I'm getting the entire picture. Maybe they are having some kind of difficulty in their family life or just had a loss and are circling the wagons to comfort one another contrary to COVID Rules or Suggestions.

Since the inventory of these quiet people has been taken perhaps there is a way you could find out how to assist them if they are having trouble instead of preparing to hammer them.

Rules are Rules I understand but these are special times. Think it through before you act. Good Luck.

Thank GOD for people like you ! Who knows what this poor child is going through, or the adult daughters too ? Have they lost their jobs or their spouses ? Perhaps they are single parents ? What if the child's mother lost her job and they became homeless ? Where would any of our children go if there were no choices, no way to get a job in this environment ? Thank God they have a loving grandparent in a nice clean home who OBVIOUSLY loves them. There was nothing said about this child trying to use our precious pools, or golf courses, or tennis courts ! No one said the child was running wild, having wild parties in the yard, driving the golf cart recklessly, etc.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

don't you mean adult moocher's.:shocked:

While I'm sure that there are many "adult moochers" living in The Villages, we can't assume that all adult children are.

What if the mother in this case was in an abusive relationship and had nowhere to go. Her life might literally be on the line and she has nowhere else to go. This could be a temporary refuge.

I don't know this to be the case, but it's a possibility. That's why I say wait and talk with them to try to find out what's going on before filing a complaint.

[Stu from NYC]

While I'm sure that there are many "adult moochers" living in The Villages, we can't assume that all adult children are.

What if the mother in this case was in an abusive relationship and had nowhere to go. Her life might literally be on the line and she has nowhere else to go. This could be a temporary refuge.

I don't know this to be the case, but it's a possibility. That's why I say wait and talk with them to try to find out what's going on before filing a complaint.

Agreed. People are sure quick to pass judgment without knowing the facts.

[Marathon Man]

While I'm sure that there are many "adult moochers" living in The Villages, we can't assume that all adult children are.

What if the mother in this case was in an abusive relationship and had nowhere to go. Her life might literally be on the line and she has nowhere else to go. This could be a temporary refuge.

I don't know this to be the case, but it's a possibility. That's why I say wait and talk with them to try to find out what's going on before filing a complaint.

Well said, Sir.

[Nell57]

No need to be concerned about a school bus transporting a child in TV. Have you ever once seen a bus in a residential neighborhood? Nope.
I had good friends who were on the other end of this conversation.,Three grandchildren under the age of 4 were “left with grandma for two weeks “ while the dysfunctional parents were “looking for an apartment. “ Fast forward two years, the children were still there and the parents were still dysfunctional . The neighbors were very sympathetic and tolerant.
Eventually someone got tired of the situation and turned them in.
They received a very direct letter that said they have 30 days to move the children out or sell their home and relocate. They sold their house and moved in 30 days.
So this will be addressed, at whatever time someone turns them in..
But I also would have some compassion in these troubled times.
Their living situation is no ones first option.
The parents want to live in an over 55 community.
No adult child wants to live with Mom and Dad. And that poor kid.... not his life choice.
So give then time... you can always report them later.

[Stu from NYC]

No need to be concerned about a school bus transporting a child in TV. Have you ever once seen a bus in a residential neighborhood? Nope.
I had good friends who were on the other end of this conversation.,Three grandchildren under the age of 4 were “left with grandma for two weeks “ while the dysfunctional parents were “looking for an apartment. “ Fast forward two years, the children were still there and the parents were still dysfunctional . The neighbors were very sympathetic and tolerant.
Eventually someone got tired of the situation and turned them in.
They received a very direct letter that said they have 30 days to move the children out or sell their home and relocate. They sold their house and moved in 30 days.
So this will be addressed, at whatever time someone turns them in..
But I also would have some compassion in these troubled times.
Their living situation is no ones first option.
The parents want to live in an over 55 community.
No adult child wants to live with Mom and Dad. And that poor kid.... not his life choice.
So give then time... you can always report them later.

Well said

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I remember reading one Villager's experience (might've been second or even third-hand). They had an adult child who was married with a child of their own. That grandchild became an orphan, and CPS awarded custody to the grandparent. I think the kid was only around 9 years old, give or take. They actually applied for and received permission to raise the child in the community.

I'd say as long as the child is behaving (mostly), not doing anything destructive or dangerous to their own or any other property, isn't taking advantage of amenities that are reserved for adults - I'd basically just feel sorry for the kid to not have any other kids to play with, and let it go at that.

But when that kid starts ringing my doorbell asking if I want to entertain her or if she can play with my cat (or whatever other things 9 year olds do when they're sincerely just innocent kids doing what kids do with regards to their neighbors)? That's when I tell Grandma she needs to reconsider her decision. I didn't have kids for a reason. I have no interest in caring for someone else's kid.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

There was an adult community called Williamsburg that sat next to sea world in Orlando. They had very nice homes , but over the years they had gotten complacent about renting and selling to younger people. Then in the late 80’s a sharp Realter went to court and challenged the adult status Williamsburg lost there adult community status , could it happen here probably not , but we all know about the slippery slope

[graciegirl]

I know of a case where an adult child needed to live with her parents along with younger children here in The Villages. The couple sold their home and moved outside of The Villages.

[manaboutown]

Sun City, Retirement Haven, Hunts Youthful Violators - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/29children.html)

Why senior communities get to prohibit young people (https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/consumers/2018/08/27/why-senior-communities-get-prohibit-young-people/1003080002/)

[Topspinmo]

No need to be concerned about a school bus transporting a child in TV. Have you ever once seen a bus in a residential neighborhood? Nope.
I had good friends who were on the other end of this conversation.,Three grandchildren under the age of 4 were “left with grandma for two weeks “ while the dysfunctional parents were “looking for an apartment. “ Fast forward two years, the children were still there and the parents were still dysfunctional . The neighbors were very sympathetic and tolerant.
Eventually someone got tired of the situation and turned them in.
They received a very direct letter that said they have 30 days to move the children out or sell their home and relocate. They sold their house and moved in 30 days.
So this will be addressed, at whatever time someone turns them in..
But I also would have some compassion in these troubled times.
Their living situation is no ones first option.
The parents want to live in an over 55 community.
No adult child wants to live with Mom and Dad. And that poor kid.... not his life choice.
So give then time... you can always report them later.

I seen it seven times, some don’t pay attention to they’re surroundings. The parents agreed to obey by rules. If the can’t then they should move or rent their kids apartment, O wait apartments coming soon nearby.

[birdiebill]

I know of a couple, who enjoyed living in the Villages, who had a teen aged niece and nephew in Kentucky who had lost their parents to an accident. The couple had to decide to let the children become foster children in separate strangers homes or to let them live together with them. Since they could not keep the children and continue to live in The Villages, they sold their home here and moved to Kentucky so the niece and nephew could remain together and could continue to go to the same schools they had been attending. That couple deserves credit for making the decision that was in the best interests of the niece and nephew.

[Dgizzi]

There is, as you likely know, a prohibition on persons under 19 living in TV. Any person may visit for up to 30 days per year. So the 12 year old is allowed for up to 30 days. This rule is federal law in the definition of an adult age restricted community. Enforcement of the regulation is 100% up to the developer not the community.

There is no restriction on the number of persons 19-54 living here. There is a requirement that 80% of the homes must be owned by a person age 55+. Your neighbor's home sounds like it is owned by a senior. But I could own my home and have many young adults living in it and still be in full compliance and count toward the 80% number. I believe the only regulation TV has is that they will only issue 4 ID cards per address not that you cannot have more than 4 in the home.

As to what you can do about the 12 year old if she is a resident not a visitor.. if they are quiet and not disturbing you, one choice is to say hello and feel sorry for that child having to living in a community with no other children because of family or economic problems. Or you can complain to Community Standards after 30 days and ask for direction on how this issue can be resolved to your satisfaction. 352-751-3912

You can also email deedcompliance@districtgov.org Should you do so your email is subject to public disclosure if you care.

Here is the language on https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/communityStandardsFAQ.pdf

"Deed restrictions are declarations between the [Developer] and the Property Owner. Who can enforce the deed restrictions?
o Any property owner of any lot may seek to enforce external and internal restrictions against another property owner.
o The [Developer] may seek to enforce external and internal restrictions.
o The Village Community Development Districts through adopted Rule may enforce certain EXTERNAL restrictions that have been adopted by each Board to enforce as authorized by Chapter 190 of Florida Statutes.
...
If you have a concern regarding internal deed restrictions such as underage children in the home, business in the home or the like, contact the Community Standards Department at 352-751-3912 or email deedcompliance@districtgov.org and the information will be forwarded to the Developer to address. "

Notice that only the Developer is involved in internal restrictions. [I have changed the word Declarant to its equivalent = Developer] Rumor has it that the Developer has shown little or no interest in addressing this issue in the past.

Our streets are public and there is no prohibition on overnight parking unless the parking impedes emergency vehicles.
I don’t think that is right. Why should it be allowed? Can’t us 55 and older have anything to ourselves? If I wanted to live around “families “ I would have just moved to a regular neighborhood. I didn’t realize say a mom in her 60’s can by a home and have like 3 of her adult children live with her! Why bother calling it a 55 and older community? Misleading and I am disappointed. Why pay for these extras when anyone can use them now.

[JSR22]

I don’t think that is right. Why should it be allowed? Can’t us 55 and older have anything to ourselves? If I wanted to live around “families “ I would have just moved to a regular neighborhood. I didn’t realize say a mom in her 60’s can by a home and have like 3 of her adult children live with her! Why bother calling it a 55 and older community? Misleading and I am disappointed. Why pay for these extras when anyone can use them now.

The rule is any one can live here full time if they are 19 or older.

[blueash]

I don’t think that is right. Why should it be allowed? Can’t us 55 and older have anything to ourselves? If I wanted to live around “families “ I would have just moved to a regular neighborhood. I didn’t realize say a mom in her 60’s can by a home and have like 3 of her adult children live with her! Why bother calling it a 55 and older community? Misleading and I am disappointed. Why pay for these extras when anyone can use them now.

There is nothing misleading about the age requirements here. The Villages is following Federal Law. It is illegal to discriminate in the selling or renting of a home based on age. If that were the only law then an age restricted community could not exist. So an amendment to the 1968 Fair Housing Act was enacted in 1988 (https://web.archive.org/web/20080503074542/http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/progdesc/title8.cfm) creating an exemption for senior living communities. It sets the requirement that 80% of homes must be occupied by one person age 55 or older [not owned as I previously wrote] The 1988 amendment required that the community have significant facilities and services designed for the elderly and actively verify that it was in compliance with the 80% requirement or face liability.

If you didn't understand the law that's on you. Nobody misled you.

In 1995 a new law removed the requirement that facilities be available and that the community actively monitor the ratio. The laws do allow a community to insist that all persons be 55 or above. Good luck finding such a place.

[Love2Swim]

How many times in life have we jumped the gun and passed judgment on a situation before it actually happens? There has been no violation yet if I'm getting the entire picture. Maybe they are having some kind of difficulty in their family life or just had a loss and are circling the wagons to comfort one another contrary to COVID Rules or Suggestions.

Since the inventory of these quiet people has been taken perhaps there is a way you could find out how to assist them if they are having trouble instead of preparing to hammer them.

Rules are Rules I understand but these are special times. Think it through before you act. Good Luck.

I agree. As long as they aren't causing problems, I'd let it go for now. Many, many people are out of work and are struggling to make ends meet. Be a good Christian.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I’m not going to feel sorry for turning in someone with a child . I would feel empathy if we were turning them out into an area of high priced homes and rents , that is not the case here . The villages homes. because of all the extra fees cost more then the same size home outside of villages . If you are going to take in children and god bless you for doing it , there are many cheaper and just as nice areas to live and still use many of the villages options . The added benefit is the child will grow up with friends, so talk to them or give them 30 or 60 days and then turn them in you’ll be doing the right thing for you and them

[eremite06]

We've had a coterie of renters moving in and out from the house across the street for a few years now. Whenever my wife peers out our window I say "what are you seeing, Gladys." Reminiscent of Gladys Kravitz from "Bewitched."

[MacScuba]

one choice is to say hello and feel sorry for that child having to living in a community with no other children because of family or economic problems.

[MacScuba]

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[JoMar]

I don’t think that is right. Why should it be allowed? Can’t us 55 and older have anything to ourselves? If I wanted to live around “families “ I would have just moved to a regular neighborhood. I didn’t realize say a mom in her 60’s can by a home and have like 3 of her adult children live with her! Why bother calling it a 55 and older community? Misleading and I am disappointed. Why pay for these extras when anyone can use them now.

So you did no due diligence before you bought here? This isn't something new so you should have been able to know that before you bought. Doesn't it make you wonder what else you didn't properly investigate that will give you another deer in the headlight look :)

[Topspinmo]

So you did no due diligence before you bought here? This isn't something new so you should have been able to know that before you bought. Doesn't it make you wonder what else you didn't properly investigate that will give you another deer in the headlight look :)

So are you fan of people not following rules plainly spelled out.

[Love2Swim]

I’m not going to feel sorry for turning in someone with a child . I would feel empathy if we were turning them out into an area of high priced homes and rents , that is not the case here . The villages homes. because of all the extra fees cost more then the same size home outside of villages . If you are going to take in children and god bless you for doing it , there are many cheaper and just as nice areas to live and still use many of the villages options . The added benefit is the child will grow up with friends, so talk to them or give them 30 or 60 days and then turn them in you’ll be doing the right thing for you and them

If they are out of work, they can't afford rent somewhere else. Living with Mom and Dad might be the only option. We are in the middle of a pandemic. I think we need to think outside the box, and show some compassion and empathy. Hopefully for the family involved, it will be just temporary.

[Stu from NYC]

If they are out of work, they can't afford rent somewhere else. Living with Mom and Dad might be the only option. We are in the middle of a pandemic. I think we need to think outside the box, and show some compassion and empathy. Hopefully for the family involved, it will be just temporary.

Very true

[Mortal1]

Anyone can file a complaint. The person who is bothered by the situation is usually the one to do it.

what a load of crap. Usually the person bothered by the complaint is worried the rules will be abused and those who think otherwise are more likely to break the rules.