Hacienda hills is now just rubble - what goes in now?

[Lottoguy]

Looks like Hacienda Hills will be totally cleared this week. What do you think will happen to this property?

THE VILLAGES - Nothing But Rubble At Hacienda Hills - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L67S7yEX4U&t=9s)

[Marathon Man]

Looks like Hacienda Hills will be totally cleared this week. What do you think will happen to this property?

THE VILLAGES - Nothing But Rubble At Hacienda Hills - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L67S7yEX4U&t=9s)

A lot of dog walking.

[Stu from NYC]

Heard it will be a farm raising kumquats

[CanTho]

Looks like Hacienda Hills will be totally cleared this week. What do you think will happen to this property?

THE VILLAGES - Nothing But Rubble At Hacienda Hills - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L67S7yEX4U&t=9s)

Honestly who really cares

[npwalters]

Honestly who really cares

Those of us that live in the vicinity

[Bogie Shooter]

Those of us that live in the vicinity

We will all know when plans are complete.
Patience Grasshopper.......

[kaydee]

Honestly who really cares

Many of us care that’s who!

[Neils]

Costco

[Rwirish]

Heard a hot dog stand will be going in.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

We will all know when plans are complete.
Patience Grasshopper.......

You took the thought right out of my mind.

[bowlingal]

If you read the VHA Voice that comes with the daily sun, this topic was mentioned. The developer is not answering the question, nor the question about Katie Belles future. They said they do not know yet

[Cbriggi]

Check today’s newspaper. Crafty developers.

[Moderator]

Read today's Daily Sun...proposal is a mix of 55+ apartments, shared amenities, and restaurant open to the public. Subject to review/approval by Amenity Authority Committee.

[michtofla]

I think Edna's on the Green should open a new location there.

[Singerlady]

If you read the VHA Voice that comes with the daily sun, this topic was mentioned. The developer is not answering the question, nor the question about Katie Belles future. They said they do not know yet

THEY know, but won’t tell.

[Goldwingnut]

THEY know, but won’t tell.

You right, they know, and they are not saying, why? Because it's none of your business! It is private property and theirs to do with as they wish, and the law allows. They owe us noting on this matter and are not obligated to provide us with any information beyond any legal notices. It wasn't an "amenity", it was a privately owned business that was demolished. Whatever they decide to do with the property will be in thier own best interest, perhaps that interest will be "public relations" or it will be profit or maybe they can do both. Whatever the decision it is theirs and theirs alone to make, after all it is their money at risk, not yours or mine.

[RealJudy]

There is a proposal in today’s newspaper Local section.

[champion6]

Read today's Daily Sun...proposal is a mix of 55+ apartments, shared amenities, and restaurant open to the public. Subject to review/approval by Amenity Authority Committee.I think this is GREAT NEWS! New plans being discussed here: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/hacienda-hills-plans-announced-309853/#post1813832

[Davelinda91]

More apartments, read the Daily Sun. More people in less space and more $ per square foot. The Proposal hearing is this Wednesday, if you don’t agree go speak your mind. Changing a county club seating to a apartment view, it’s up to you!

[Windguy]

Patience Grasshopper.......
I suspect you aren’t aware of it, but that statement comes across (to me, anyway) as really condescending. It’s like you are saying you are the wise, all-knowing one and the target of your insult is an uneducated fool. I would be really offended if you said that to me. Maybe others think I’m overreacting. I’m curious to know if I am the only one who feels this way.

And, yes, I know where that line came from.

I’m sorry for hijacking this thread.

[Jazzman]

If you read the VHA Voice that comes with the daily sun, this topic was mentioned. The developer is not answering the question, nor the question about Katie Belles future. They said they do not know yet

I’m sure you don’t believe that statement from the developer. Guess they didn’t know they were going to demolish almost the entire property until they woke up one day and made that decision and never even bothered to tell anyone who for example used the pool on a very frequent basis.

[Greg L]

My guess would be independent living apartments

[Stu from NYC]

I suspect you aren’t aware of it, but that statement comes across (to me, anyway) as really condescending. It’s like you are saying you are the wise, all-knowing one and the target of your insult is an uneducated fool. I would be really offended if you said that to me. Maybe others think I’m overreacting. I’m curious to know if I am the only one who feels this way.

And, yes, I know where that line came from.

I’m sorry for hijacking this thread.

I do not believe he meant it that way. More along the lines that they would announce their plans when they are ready to announce their plans. It is their property and their money after all.

[KRM0614]

Build more houses clear the area and charge the residents for everything

[odyboys7]

Read today's Daily Sun...proposal is a mix of 55+ apartments, shared amenities, and restaurant open to the public. Subject to review/approval by Amenity Authority Committee.

Yep. What ever makes more money for the family (you know who) and less of what we might like. More floors more apartments more money.

[Villages Kahuna]

If the Developer does their typically great job of building their proposal for a new resort-style pool, walking paths and other unidentified amenities nearby the Hacienda Hills site, I’d be agreeable to their proposal with the following conditions:

1. The proposed “age restricted” multi-family units on the former country club site be height-restricted to three stories and density-restricted to minimize the impact on traffic on Morse Blvd. and the nearby gate and traffic circle accessing both El Camino Real/Paige Place and US 441.

2. That the multi-family units be condos for sale, not rental units similar to those built in Brownwood.

3. That the proposed resort pool and other amenities be deeded over to the Amenity Authority with the appropriate Developer-provided funding for future necessary maintenance.

[mulligan]

I would bet the farm that you will not see any condos.

[sswitenki]

Daily Sun article today in local news section headline saysRestaurant Amenities planned at Hacienda site. Part of plan being presented to AAC Wednesday. If the Villages proceed with new age restricted residential units at Hacienda Hills site it would feature a restaurant open to the public- quote from paper

[DeanFL]

I suspect you aren’t aware of it, but that statement comes across (to me, anyway) as really condescending. It’s like you are saying you are the wise, all-knowing one and the target of your insult is an uneducated fool. I would be really offended if you said that to me. Maybe others think I’m overreacting. I’m curious to know if I am the only one who feels this way.

And, yes, I know where that line came from.

I’m sorry for hijacking this thread.


Nope - I agree with you, and have seen this "response" from this poster before. In my view, it's like patting a little kid on the head and say "now now..".
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[pauld315]

What is written in the paper today is very unclear. Most likely on purpose. I don't think you will really know what is planned for that area, who owns what etc until they reveal the proposal to the AAC.

For example, if the developer will own the property and maintain the property as reported who will then be allowed to use the amenities ? Previously, the amenities there were owned and maintained by the developer were only available to priority members.

Also, what does this mean ""in exchange for permitting the developer to use age restricted residential units currently reserved only for independent or assisted living use" I am assuming they have some kind of agreement in place with the county or another entity on how many residential units they can build in that area and now they want to do away with the units reserved for assisted living units and build residential instead.

Lastly, the article says "ideally we would like to see age restricted residential units in that area to help support a restaurant" Does that mean apartments, single family homes or a combination of both ?

When you look at the land available there, they don't have room to build much of anything unless they also take some or all of the golf courses there.

I will wait until they present the proposal to the AAC to see what is really being planned there.

[Indydealmaker]

Rumor has it that this site will be home to an upscale gentleman's club.

[bumpygreens]

Rumor has it that this site will be home to an upscale gentleman's club.

"The Villages Pole Dancers"??? Thanks a lot, fella. That image is going to be in my head all day!:1rotfl:

[Stu from NYC]

"The Villages Pole Dancers"??? Thanks a lot, fella. That image is going to be in my head all day!:1rotfl:

There are quite a few attractive well preserved ladies here.

[Villages Kahuna]

When you look at the land available there, they don't have room to build much of anything unless they also take some or all of the golf courses there.

I thought the same thing. They could take one of the three nine-hole courses and lay it out with quite a number of multi-family buildings, putting the new restaurant on the same site as the old one. In fact, the new “resort style pool” could go on that site as well.

If they did that I can’t imagine that the required traffic impact study would show anything but way too much traffic going through the gate on Morse and up and down Morse. I’d hate to think of the accidents at that traffic circle and traffic jams at the stoplight at Morse and Rio Grande. And if people think there’s too much traffic on Rio Grande near Chula Vista Golf course now, with that plan...wow! How about using the “circle” for golf carts to cross Morse, El Camino Real or Paige Place? Accidents waiting to happen (multiple).

Nah, if they took one of the golf courses they’d have to redesign the access-egress from the new apartments to have more than just the driveway onto Morse.

[Barb.callow]

If you live down the street from it, you care! Furthermore, we should all be concerned with Intended construction throughout TV. Today’s paper says the developers want to build some residential units in addition to pool, restaurant, activity courts, walking paths and open spaces.

[Barb.callow]

Honestly who really cares

If you live down the street from it, you care! Furthermore, we should all be concerned with Intended construction throughout TV. Today’s paper says the developers want to build some residential units in addition to pool, restaurant, activity courts, walking paths and open spaces.

[Singerlady]

If you live down the street from it, you care! Furthermore, we should all be concerned with Intended construction throughout TV. Today’s paper says the developers want to build some residential units in addition to pool, restaurant, activity courts, walking paths and open spaces.
See the Local News section of paper today - 8/7, page 1. Told ya so.....THEY knew what they were going to do and NOW they’ve told us their proposal. Nix it, I say! Doesn’t help us. Helps the Developer only. Hmmm....

[Joe C.]

Living in TV is like being a coal miner.
The "company store"......

[graciegirl]

If you live down the street from it, you care! Furthermore, we should all be concerned with Intended construction throughout TV. Today’s paper says the developers want to build some residential units in addition to pool, restaurant, activity courts, walking paths and open spaces.

They are very good builders and very fast builders. They have the materials, the skilled experts and they have it planned carefully. I am not concerned about any "intended construction throughout The Villages".

The only thing is of course is that MLS realtors can't sell it because it is NEW.

Hmmmm.

[toeser]

Honestly who really cares

I suspect people living nearby care.

[NavyVet]

Let's just hope there won't be a food truck in lieu of a real restaurant. Just saying.

[JoMar]

Here we go.....all the Developer cares about is north of 466, when are those of us south of 466 going to be treated like those in the north (yeah, that's sarcasm) :)

[Stu from NYC]

The developer has built something special and really surprised how many people on here seem to have real hate for the family.

[Bogie Shooter]

I suspect you aren’t aware of it, but that statement comes across (to me, anyway) as really condescending. It’s like you are saying you are the wise, all-knowing one and the target of your insult is an uneducated fool. I would be really offended if you said that to me. Maybe others think I’m overreacting. I’m curious to know if I am the only one who feels this way.

And, yes, I know where that line came from.

I’m sorry for hijacking this thread.

I really don't know how to respond to your conclusion and criticism. Never meant to be condescending in any way. Not implying any one is a fool. Yes, I think you are overacting.
Only time will tell......patience grasshopper.

[graciegirl]

I suspect you aren’t aware of it, but that statement comes across (to me, anyway) as really condescending. It’s like you are saying you are the wise, all-knowing one and the target of your insult is an uneducated fool. I would be really offended if you said that to me. Maybe others think I’m overreacting. I’m curious to know if I am the only one who feels this way.

And, yes, I know where that line came from.

I’m sorry for hijacking this thread.

Bogie has said Patience Grasshopper many, many times but never in a condescending way. He is a wise person. I don't feel he meant to be condescending only reminding us as he has frequently over the years to have Patience Grasshopper. And that usually is a good thing to have and usually if it is handled by the developer things turn out well.

I don't think he meant it mean at all.

[JoMar]

I suspect you aren’t aware of it, but that statement comes across (to me, anyway) as really condescending. It’s like you are saying you are the wise, all-knowing one and the target of your insult is an uneducated fool. I would be really offended if you said that to me. Maybe others think I’m overreacting. I’m curious to know if I am the only one who feels this way.

And, yes, I know where that line came from.

I’m sorry for hijacking this thread.

Probably because you haven't been here long enough to know the people on here. Patience Grasshopper from Bogie is almost a signature line plus it's the truth. And those that have been here a long time, have significantly more experience with how things are done here and have been involved with the politics of TV are wiser than those that have less of any of that. It's not condescending, just a fact.

[tophcfa]

As others have already pointed out, there doesn’t appear to be adequate room for the developers plans without eliminating some or all of the Championship golf at Hacienda Hills. I for one will be extremely upset if they add apartment type housing, that has access to already overcrowded amenities, all while reducing the available Championship golfing holes. The number of Championship golf holes relative to the number of Villages residents has been on a steady decline for several years already. We specifically bought our home in a location that had easy access to several Championship golf courses, including Hacienda. I don’t want to jump to conclusions before things actually happen, but this does not pass the initial smell test.

[Doro22]

Yep. What ever makes more money for the family (you know who) and less of what we might like. More floors more apartments more money.

I believe “The Developer” saw a need for apartment style living after the huge response at the Lofts at Brownwood. They are allowed to make their profits. After all they are the ones risking their capital on the venture. I just wish I had the disposable resources to do the same.

[JoMar]

Build more houses clear the area and charge the residents for everything

And you are getting charged how?

[Stu from NYC]

And you are getting charged how?

Wondering why people feel they are being gyped all the time?

[JoMar]

Yep. What ever makes more money for the family (you know who) and less of what we might like. More floors more apartments more money.

Not sure what your point might be.....you have invested zero dollars in the building of TV, you took exactly zero risk in the building of TV, you pay a minimal amount for the fun things to do here that somebody else invested in the building of TV, you made an investment that you or you kids will make a profit on when you move or die yet you give grief to the Developer because he doesn't give you what you like and condemn his ability to make money. Why are you here?

[maryrusso]

The developer is suggesting changing to another housing plan--sounds like another apartment complex. The family promises to build a pool, trails, ... that certainly sounds like preparation for a big housing change. And, they want to retain ownership of those recreation amenities. Stop it now or you will have a massive complex like in Brownwood.

[mcwood4d]

The apartments may not be popular due to density but snowbirds will love the option. Apartments (or condos) are much easier to manage from "away".

[Topspinmo]

I told you all apartments months ago, once The developers pushed off apartments in district 13 and was able to keep the amenities fee’s you’ll see apartments popping up everywhere. Cheaper to build up with more profit than out. I predict one day polo fields, Lopez, glenview, and empty acres along CR42 will all be apartments. If district’s allow this AGAIN no stopping it.

[Topspinmo]

I believe “The Developer” saw a need for apartment style living after the huge response at the Lofts at Brownwood. They are allowed to make their profits. After all they are the ones risking their capital on the venture. I just wish I had the disposable resources to do the same.

But, they shouldn’t be allowed to take amenities fee’s from the district they are over crowding in already over crowded area.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

See the Local News section of paper today - 8/7, page 1. Told ya so.....THEY knew what they were going to do and NOW they’ve told us their proposal. Nix it, I say! Doesn’t help us. Helps the Developer only. Hmmm.... what about a villager who doesn’t want to take care of a big house, but is still healthy to live on his own, I hope they build more of these type of adults only apartments, and adding a restaurant , pool , whatever is a nice idea . I think some posters would rather see a vacant lot , so they could keep complaining that the family never does anything for them .yes the family is about making money , but to do that they have to make people happy and for 20 years in 5 different homes they have made me very happy

[LuvtheVillages]

The developer is suggesting changing to another housing plan--sounds like another apartment complex. The family promises to build a pool, trails, ... that certainly sounds like preparation for a big housing change. And, they want to retain ownership of those recreation amenities. Stop it now or you will have a massive complex like in Brownwood.

Since The Developer will retain ownership of these new amenities, there is nothing to stop him from charging admission. After all, this facility will not be supported by our amenity fee. The Champion golf courses are run for profit. This could be also.

There are so many unknowns in this proposal. I hope the AAC takes a long time to do their due diligence. I hope they spend a lot of time thinking about all the "what if's", and do not take the Developer's word without some way to back it up. I hope they have a lawyer who is independent from the Developer and from the Spanish Springs CDD.

[JoMar]

Invested when he brought into the life style. NOT everybody makes profit when the sell. Gees’ lay off the koolaid.

Everyone that I know, who have been here since the mid 2000's have made a profit when they sold. Some on their 4th house. When the kids sell it may be a loss because they want to get rid of it and it's all profit to them. Those that let their properties deteriorate, or have neighbors with less than desirable properties might have issues selling but most make a profit. If you know people that haven't then you need to dig deeper into why. The koolaid is not a bad thing for those that enjoy this place.....for those that constantly tear it down it must be a horrible life here. Your recourse is your CDD or write letters to the District or Developer and be prepared for them not to listen. Have glass of Kool Aid and you might be a happier person.

[graciegirl]

Everyone that I know, who have been here since the mid 2000's have made a profit when they sold. Some on their 4th house. When the kids sell it may be a loss because they want to get rid of it and it's all profit to them. Those that let their properties deteriorate, or have neighbors with less than desirable properties might have issues selling but most make a profit. If you know people that haven't then you need to dig deeper into why. The koolaid is not a bad thing for those that enjoy this place.....for those that constantly tear it down it must be a horrible life here. Your recourse is your CDD or write letters to the District or Developer and be prepared for them not to listen. Have glass of Kool Aid and you might be a happier person.

EXCELLENT POST. I watch how much houses sell for carefully. You are completely right. P.S. I am not a realtor and I am not a person who owns more than one house. I just love a good stable investment to live in and enjoy and pass on a little for the kids who will watch over our Helene when we go.

[Stu from NYC]

Just back from food shopping with the scoop.

According to the cashier at sams who heard this from her husband who got this from the fellow who collects the trash they will be building an area for demolition derby.

[Topspinmo]

Everyone that I know, who have been here since the mid 2000's have made a profit when they sold. Some on their 4th house. When the kids sell it may be a loss because they want to get rid of it and it's all profit to them. Those that let their properties deteriorate, or have neighbors with less than desirable properties might have issues selling but most make a profit. If you know people that haven't then you need to dig deeper into why. The koolaid is not a bad thing for those that enjoy this place.....for those that constantly tear it down it must be a horrible life here. Your recourse is your CDD or write letters to the District or Developer and be prepared for them not to listen. Have glass of Kool Aid and you might be a happier person.

I am happy but don't mean I've blind.

[CanTho]

An Apartment complex complete with Pool, Tennis Courts, Walking Trail, is being applied for.

The developer ( The Villages) is the owner.

[gruderman]

I just hope they don’t eliminate any of the golf courses, there. That would be a terrible precedent for The Villages.

[tophcfa]

I just hope they don’t eliminate any of the golf courses, there. That would be a terrible precedent for The Villages.

If I could, I would hit the thanks button a hundred times for that post.

[Golfgrammie02]

Not happy with apartments. Overcrowded in that area. How can people renting in apartments pay an amenity fee and real estate taxes like the homes? Just asking!!

[ctmurray]

They don't pay taxes. The amenity fee goes with the rent (or is included in the rent). I don't think the application says apartments or townhomes or anything.

[tophcfa]

They don't pay taxes. The amenity fee goes with the rent (or is included in the rent). I don't think the application says apartments or townhomes or anything.

The application says "residential units". They are certainly not planning on building a couple of single family homes on the demolition site. What else could they be building besides something like the high density eyesore in Brownwood?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I’ve been drinking the kool aid for 20 years and if that’s what’s keeping me happy . Please Mr Morse may I have more ???

[Madelaine Amee]

I think age restricted rentals would be great. If I am ever a single I certainly would not want to keep my home and the upkeep of that home, but I love my area, so for me an apartment complex with a pool, restaurant and walking trails would be great.

I am also a cool aid drinker, and have yet to be disappointed with anything the Developer has built here. I have no comment on Brownwood or the apartments there. I live on the North side, I shop on the north ide, I socialize on the north side. I like the north side.

[tophcfa]

An Apartment complex complete with Pool, Tennis Courts, Walking Trail, is being applied for.

The developer ( The Villages) is the owner.

Yup, a 286-unit rental apartment complex with a pool, tennis courts, and walking trail. What an eyesore that would be from the first T-Box of the Oaks or Lakes courses, assuming the course(s) are still there???

[NoMoSno]

With the added traffic, I would hope widening Morse Blvd. and providing a proper MMP to 446 is in the plans.

[Stu from NYC]

With the added traffic, I would hope widening Morse Blvd. and providing a proper MMP to 446 is in the plans.

Wonder who would be expected to pay for it though.

[CanTho]

Wonder who would be expected to pay for it though.

Based on their past. The County ie: The Taxpayer.

The developer always has Plan " B " in place Always.

[TNGary]

The AAC will meet at 9 a.m. Wednesday at Savannah Center to discuss the Hacienda development. The meeting is open to the public.

This would be a good meeting for any resident to attend as the future development will have an impact on those N of 466 but more importantly this is a shift in the "families" business model as what is approved here could easily lay the footprint for similar developments throughout TV. Apparently the accounts see this new business model as a viable option for revenue enhancement, there will be more to follow. The financial benefits due to significantly enhanced density are obvious.
An important meeting for all of us to attend, the paradigm has now shifted!!!

[bilcon]

:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:It once was a great restaurant, a nice pool and a great looking building. WHO CARES? Everyone who lives in TV should care. I bet a multi dwelling apartment complex will appear. SAD, not glad.

[PRogers]

I live in the Village of Chatham and stand opposed the VLS proposal on the proposed redevelopment of Hacienda Hills Apartment development plan. It is simply the wrong plan for the proposed site. There are many reasons for this;

1) It would drastically change the tenor of area for the current residents living in that area. We already have the developer building assisted living or memory care facilities on just about every open area north of 466.

2) Morse Blvd is already one of the most busy and candidly, dangerous roads in not only TV, but in all of Sumter county. The intersections all along that road from Paige Place circle to the gate at 466 are dangerous enough for vehicular traffic, golf carts, and pedestrians without adding more cars to the mix.

3) the proposed amenities the developer would build are not needed in this area, there are enough pools, courts, etc in this area to meet demand and our Amenity fees are not and never have been designed to help the developer attract new buyers to new ventures. There are more than enough restaurants and what happens if years down the road they pull another “Katie Bells” on us folks when they decide a more lucrative commercial development than a restaurant serves their purpose. There are plenty of open spots in all the town centers if they want to go into the restaurant business. Also remember the “Santiago” restaurant, how did that work out.

Instead of any new pools, courts, etc. how about the developer offering to change the 27 hole Hacienda Hills pay to play country club where he makes money into (3) “new” “ executive”golf courses for the benefit of ALL those living in the area north of 466. All that would require is some starter shacks be built. Counter his proposal with that idea and see what they say. I suspect the developer will not even consider that. He has built no new golf courses north of 466 in many years yet added many more new homes and residents, (Phillips, Souillere, Chatham acres) and made a lot of $$$ but added no new holes to play. He has no compunction about building courses south of the Turnpike.

4) the developer is always looking at using our amenity fees as a lure for every project he plans, like the apartments at Brownwood. The developer never builds new amenities although he proposes that here, but history has shown that if and when he does he laters ends up selling them back to the AAC or PWC who get stuck with long term costs of maintenance and repairs.

5) the amenity fees are already increasing yearly, and we do not need to be giving them away. The AAC settlement fees will not last forever. As it is now If a new house is buil, the occupants join in and pay amenity fees, just like the folks in Souiller Villas and Phillips Villas did. If the residents of these new apartments want amenities, let them pay to play just like any new homeowner in TV is required to do.

These are just a few thoughts you and the fellow board members might want to consider.

Thank you
Philip Rogers
V/O Chatham

[PennBF]

The paying of fees to live there is not the critical need. The critical point is what has been done to handle the infrastructures and the needs to protect the residents in that particular area. What are the plans for the added traffic, what are the plans for police coverage, the plans for cell towers for added usage, the lights, parking, additional roads, sewage, etc etc. The fortunate Villagers are the ones who, before they bought, did extensive studies to understand where they would live, the exposure to new buildings, infrastructures, etc. It took us 2 years of renting 2 months at a time to study the best areas to live, property values, home style, returning to the target locations at days and nights, neighbors, etc and we hit the jackpot at the end. Have been here over 12 years and never once questioning our decision. Those that buy without studying the many factors needed are just rolling dice. The Villages have many good and bad areas and to listen to a "Sales Reality Rep" to buy is just plain stupid. You should be ready to sign a contract the minute you call the Rep as you have done all the homework to purchase. We have watched over the years the complaints of residents who did not do the work and bought near the turnpike noise, the ones that purchased near recycle plants, the ones without good cell phone coverage, poor home building workmenship, the ones that had to wait a year or so to use the Villages access (e.g. bridges), parking problems, etc, etc. We found a good practice is to buy a resale in the right area and at the price and style you want. It will probably be a couple of years of studying the challenge, and a few months of rental to reach a best choice decision. No one cares about your needs and want except you and in the end you should be happy not just for a year but remembering this is truly "God's waiting room". A last point is to always keep in your mind that the Developer is interested in maximizing his/her opportunity to build and your job is to buy where you are protected from their expansion and the many risks these may bring to your desired life style. :popcorn:

[tophcfa]

To anyone owning a home on a Championship golf course anywhere in the Villages, you better be watching this very closely. That huge premium you paid for your home could rapidly go up in smoke. If the developer gets away with their plans for Hacienda Hills, I predict Glenview will be the next target.

I used to be addicted to the kool aid that Gary Morse served, and boy do I miss that drink. The new recipe for kool aid being served by the current generation of the Morse family has a bitter taste.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

It just amazes me how many people here hate this place or think others should hate it , example I’m out in Fenney from the start we are all supposed to hate it here , but we don’t , I don’t care when the bridges go up and contrary to what some people say they were promised I was told maybe Spring of 2020 I do care about all the beautiful green space we have here, I have moved 5 times starting 20 years ago in Springdale, I still keep in touch with some neighbors from these neighborhoods, all of them are still happy about the villages and all the new choices we have. ENJOY

[PennBF]

It is wonderful that you like your home in Fenney ! That is what my points are all about. If you like your home then you either did your homework or were lucky. Either way it worked out. I am sure there are many who feel they made the right decision? :popcorn:

[CWGUY]

To anyone owning a home on a Championship golf course anywhere in the Villages, you better be watching this very closely. That huge premium you paid for your home could rapidly go up in smoke. If the developer gets away with their plans for Hacienda Hills, I predict Glenview will be the next target.

I used to be addicted to the kool aid that Gary Morse served, and boy do I miss that drink. The new recipe for kool aid being served by the current generation of the Morse family has a bitter taste.

:ho:
“Bitterness is what happens when we view the things we want which we don't have. Those harboring bitterness in their hearts have the tendency to alienate themselves from those things that cause the bitter taste. Which is why bitterness never works. Because in order to achieve that which we want but don't have, we need to be putting ourselves in that river, in those rivers, and flowing in them. Bitterness is an anchor that denies you the right to flow in, and towards, the things that you really wish you had. Grace of the Soul is what empowers you with the ability to be joyful for the ones who have what you don't yet have. Grace of Soul is the canoe helping you to flow with and in those rivers.”
― C. JoyBell C.

[JoMar]

:ho:
“Bitterness is what happens when we view the things we want which we don't have. Those harboring bitterness in their hearts have the tendency to alienate themselves from those things that cause the bitter taste. Which is why bitterness never works. Because in order to achieve that which we want but don't have, we need to be putting ourselves in that river, in those rivers, and flowing in them. Bitterness is an anchor that denies you the right to flow in, and towards, the things that you really wish you had. Grace of the Soul is what empowers you with the ability to be joyful for the ones who have what you don't yet have. Grace of Soul is the canoe helping you to flow with and in those rivers.”
― C. JoyBell C.

Yet the bitterness, naysayers, glass half empty, believers that Harold Schwartz and Gary Morse didn't have a vision to make a lot of money or believe there is an obligation for the Developer to cater to individual needs are still here. Why?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

The paying of fees to live there is not the critical need. The critical point is what has been done to handle the infrastructures and the needs to protect the residents in that particular area. What are the plans for the added traffic, what are the plans for police coverage, the plans for cell towers for added usage, the lights, parking, additional roads, sewage, etc etc. The fortunate Villagers are the ones who, before they bought, did extensive studies to understand where they would live, the exposure to new buildings, infrastructures, etc. It took us 2 years of renting 2 months at a time to study the best areas to live, property values, home style, returning to the target locations at days and nights, neighbors, etc and we hit the jackpot at the end. Have been here over 12 years and never once questioning our decision. Those that buy without studying the many factors needed are just rolling dice. The Villages have many good and bad areas and to listen to a "Sales Reality Rep" to buy is just plain stupid. You should be ready to sign a contract the minute you call the Rep as you have done all the homework to purchase. We have watched over the years the complaints of residents who did not do the work and bought near the turnpike noise, the ones that purchased near recycle plants, the ones without good cell phone coverage, poor home building workmenship, the ones that had to wait a year or so to use the Villages access (e.g. bridges), parking problems, etc, etc. We found a good practice is to buy a resale in the right area and at the price and style you want. It will probably be a couple of years of studying the challenge, and a few months of rental to reach a best choice decision. No one cares about your needs and want except you and in the end you should be happy not just for a year but remembering this is truly "God's waiting room". A last point is to always keep in your mind that the Developer is interested in maximizing his/her opportunity to build and your job is to buy where you are protected from their expansion and the many risks these may bring to your desired life style. :popcorn: and still end up with new neighbors who are loud and have dogs that bark . I’ve bought 5 new homes here never took more then 2days to decide , the one at haciendas of Mission Hill I bought 15 minutes after looking . I like to buy early , you can never plan for neighbors , it’s always location , location after 14 homes and condos did I mention location , location lol plus I make it a point to not socialize with neighbors , so if they do become annoying, you don’t have to worry about hurting there feelings

[snbrafford]

I don't live in that area but I feel like TV has taken away an amenity that was touted when I purchased here. I think it could have continued as an amenity IF the right management team were put in place there. I also think TV will be making even more money by re purposing this property. We need to be watchful of our other amenities - who's to say this isn't a long term direction now that there are thousands of people that have bought property here.

[npwalters]

To anyone owning a home on a Championship golf course anywhere in the Villages, you better be watching this very closely. That huge premium you paid for your home could rapidly go up in smoke. If the developer gets away with their plans for Hacienda Hills, I predict Glenview will be the next target.

I used to be addicted to the kool aid that Gary Morse served, and boy do I miss that drink. The new recipe for kool aid being served by the current generation of the Morse family has a bitter taste.

Let us hope that The Villages (not tied to any individual) is smart enough to realize that alienating several hundred residents will backfire in the long run.

Like the OP, I see a pattern of disrespect to everything north of 466. Eventually, what goes around comes around.

[bagboy]

I don't live in that area but I feel like TV has taken away an amenity that was touted when I purchased here. I think it could have continued as an amenity IF the right management team were put in place there. I also think TV will be making even more money by re purposing this property. We need to be watchful of our other amenities - who's to say this isn't a long term direction now that there are thousands of people that have bought property here.

,,,

[Shortie]

Can someone post the article that was posted in the newspaper last week about the Developer's proposal for Hacienda CC remodel? I thought it read that they would rebuild (upgrade) the demolition area as it was. In exchange, he was asking for approval to build senior housing somewhere in the District. I don't think it stated that they picked a location for the housing.

[tophcfa]

I live in the Village of Chatham and stand opposed the VLS proposal on the proposed redevelopment of Hacienda Hills Apartment development plan. It is simply the wrong plan for the proposed site. There are many reasons for this;

1) It would drastically change the tenor of area for the current residents living in that area. We already have the developer building assisted living or memory care facilities on just about every open area north of 466.

2) Morse Blvd is already one of the most busy and candidly, dangerous roads in not only TV, but in all of Sumter county. The intersections all along that road from Paige Place circle to the gate at 466 are dangerous enough for vehicular traffic, golf carts, and pedestrians without adding more cars to the mix.

3) the proposed amenities the developer would build are not needed in this area, there are enough pools, courts, etc in this area to meet demand and our Amenity fees are not and never have been designed to help the developer attract new buyers to new ventures. There are more than enough restaurants and what happens if years down the road they pull another “Katie Bells” on us folks when they decide a more lucrative commercial development than a restaurant serves their purpose. There are plenty of open spots in all the town centers if they want to go into the restaurant business. Also remember the “Santiago” restaurant, how did that work out.

Instead of any new pools, courts, etc. how about the developer offering to change the 27 hole Hacienda Hills pay to play country club where he makes money into (3) “new” “ executive”golf courses for the benefit of ALL those living in the area north of 466. All that would require is some starter shacks be built. Counter his proposal with that idea and see what they say. I suspect the developer will not even consider that. He has built no new golf courses north of 466 in many years yet added many more new homes and residents, (Phillips, Souillere, Chatham acres) and made a lot of $$$ but added no new holes to play. He has no compunction about building courses south of the Turnpike.

4) the developer is always looking at using our amenity fees as a lure for every project he plans, like the apartments at Brownwood. The developer never builds new amenities although he proposes that here, but history has shown that if and when he does he laters ends up selling them back to the AAC or PWC who get stuck with long term costs of maintenance and repairs.

5) the amenity fees are already increasing yearly, and we do not need to be giving them away. The AAC settlement fees will not last forever. As it is now If a new house is buil, the occupants join in and pay amenity fees, just like the folks in Souiller Villas and Phillips Villas did. If the residents of these new apartments want amenities, let them pay to play just like any new homeowner in TV is required to do.

These are just a few thoughts you and the fellow board members might want to consider.

Thank you
Philip Rogers
V/O Chatham

I agree with your post, but putting it on TOV won't do any good. Please send it to each member of the Amenity Authority Committee, they are the only ones that will be voting to, or not to, grant amenity privileges to a high density rental apartment complex, and they are meeting tomorrow at 9:00 AM. There is a reason the developer currently can NOT grant amenity privileges to high density housing north of 466, to protect the amenities from not getting over-utilized by high density developments. The amenities were designed to serve a single family residential development. It will be very bad for existing amenity using homeowners living in the area if the developer is allowed to build the proposed apartments and offer amenity privileges to the residents. No one can stop the developer from building the apartments, but without being able to offer amenity privileges, renting the units will be much more difficult and building the complex would need to be reconsidered.

You can get the e-mail address of all the Amenity Authority Committee members from the districtgov.org website. I have already written each of them individually.

Although I said I agree with the above quoted post, I strongly disagree with the part about turning the 27 hole championship golf course into three executive courses. We need more Championship golf, not less.

[John41]

I live in the Village of Chatham and stand opposed the VLS proposal on the proposed redevelopment of Hacienda Hills Apartment development plan. It is simply the wrong plan for the proposed site. There are many reasons for this;

1) It would drastically change the tenor of area for the current residents living in that area. We already have the developer building assisted living or memory care facilities on just about every open area north of 466.

2) Morse Blvd is already one of the most busy and candidly, dangerous roads in not only TV, but in all of Sumter county. The intersections all along that road from Paige Place circle to the gate at 466 are dangerous enough for vehicular traffic, golf carts, and pedestrians without adding more cars to the mix.

3) the proposed amenities the developer would build are not needed in this area, there are enough pools, courts, etc in this area to meet demand and our Amenity fees are not and never have been designed to help the developer attract new buyers to new ventures. There are more than enough restaurants and what happens if years down the road they pull another “Katie Bells” on us folks when they decide a more lucrative commercial development than a restaurant serves their purpose. There are plenty of open spots in all the town centers if they want to go into the restaurant business. Also remember the “Santiago” restaurant, how did that work out.

Instead of any new pools, courts, etc. how about the developer offering to change the 27 hole Hacienda Hills pay to play country club where he makes money into (3) “new” “ executive”golf courses for the benefit of ALL those living in the area north of 466. All that would require is some starter shacks be built. Counter his proposal with that idea and see what they say. I suspect the developer will not even consider that. He has built no new golf courses north of 466 in many years yet added many more new homes and residents, (Phillips, Souillere, Chatham acres) and made a lot of $$$ but added no new holes to play. He has no compunction about building courses south of the Turnpike.

4) the developer is always looking at using our amenity fees as a lure for every project he plans, like the apartments at Brownwood. The developer never builds new amenities although he proposes that here, but history has shown that if and when he does he laters ends up selling them back to the AAC or PWC who get stuck with long term costs of maintenance and repairs.

5) the amenity fees are already increasing yearly, and we do not need to be giving them away. The AAC settlement fees will not last forever. As it is now If a new house is buil, the occupants join in and pay amenity fees, just like the folks in Souiller Villas and Phillips Villas did. If the residents of these new apartments want amenities, let them pay to play just like any new homeowner in TV is required to do.

These are just a few thoughts you and the fellow board members might want to consider.

Thank you
Philip Rogers
V/O Chatham

The best post so far. I agree completely. What scares me even more are the non age restricted districts the developer is proposing.

[John41]

I don't live in that area but I feel like TV has taken away an amenity that was touted when I purchased here. I think it could have continued as an amenity IF the right management team were put in place there. I also think TV will be making even more money by re purposing this property. We need to be watchful of our other amenities - who's to say this isn't a long term direction now that there are thousands of people that have bought property here.
You are absolutely correct it is a long term direction of the developer.

[Topspinmo]

I think age restricted rentals would be great. If I am ever a single I certainly would not want to keep my home and the upkeep of that home, but I love my area, so for me an apartment complex with a pool, restaurant and walking trails would be great.

I am also a cool aid drinker, and have yet to be disappointed with anything the Developer has built here. I have no comment on Brownwood or the apartments there. I live on the North side, I shop on the north ide, I socialize on the north side. I like the north side.

With all apartments ( this only the begainning). It may affect home sales in downward trend or lot harder to sell home especially if the home was once o n golf course which now has apartments in the back yard???

[Topspinmo]

I live in the Village of Chatham and stand opposed the VLS proposal on the proposed redevelopment of Hacienda Hills Apartment development plan. It is simply the wrong plan for the proposed site. There are many reasons for this;

1) It would drastically change the tenor of area for the current residents living in that area. We already have the developer building assisted living or memory care facilities on just about every open area north of 466.

2) Morse Blvd is already one of the most busy and candidly, dangerous roads in not only TV, but in all of Sumter county. The intersections all along that road from Paige Place circle to the gate at 466 are dangerous enough for vehicular traffic, golf carts, and pedestrians without adding more cars to the mix.

3) the proposed amenities the developer would build are not needed in this area, there are enough pools, courts, etc in this area to meet demand and our Amenity fees are not and never have been designed to help the developer attract new buyers to new ventures. There are more than enough restaurants and what happens if years down the road they pull another “Katie Bells” on us folks when they decide a more lucrative commercial development than a restaurant serves their purpose. There are plenty of open spots in all the town centers if they want to go into the restaurant business. Also remember the “Santiago” restaurant, how did that work out.

Instead of any new pools, courts, etc. how about the developer offering to change the 27 hole Hacienda Hills pay to play country club where he makes money into (3) “new” “ executive”golf courses for the benefit of ALL those living in the area north of 466. All that would require is some starter shacks be built. Counter his proposal with that idea and see what they say. I suspect the developer will not even consider that. He has built no new golf courses north of 466 in many years yet added many more new homes and residents, (Phillips, Souillere, Chatham acres) and made a lot of $$$ but added no new holes to play. He has no compunction about building courses south of the Turnpike.

4) the developer is always looking at using our amenity fees as a lure for every project he plans, like the apartments at Brownwood. The developer never builds new amenities although he proposes that here, but history has shown that if and when he does he laters ends up selling them back to the AAC or PWC who get stuck with long term costs of maintenance and repairs.

5) the amenity fees are already increasing yearly, and we do not need to be giving them away. The AAC settlement fees will not last forever. As it is now If a new house is buil, the occupants join in and pay amenity fees, just like the folks in Souiller Villas and Phillips Villas did. If the residents of these new apartments want amenities, let them pay to play just like any new homeowner in TV is required to do.

These are just a few thoughts you and the fellow board members might want to consider.

Thank you
Philip Rogers
V/O Chatham


I agree cause he will be knocking on district 4 door in the not to distant future AGAIN.

[Topspinmo]

what about a villager who doesn’t want to take care of a big house, but is still healthy to live on his own, I hope they build more of these type of adults only apartments, and adding a restaurant , pool , whatever is a nice idea . I think some posters would rather see a vacant lot , so they could keep complaining that the family never does anything for them .yes the family is about making money , but to do that they have to make people happy and for 20 years in 5 different homes they have made me very happy


You move on to the many assisted living apartments on about every corner

[Madelaine Amee]

With all apartments ( this only the begainning). It may affect home sales in downward trend or lot harder to sell home especially if the home was once o n golf course which now has apartments in the back yard???

Totally disagree. The Morse family did not become gazillionaires by chance, these people know what they are doing and I am quite sure the Hacienda apartments will be quite lovely and an asset to the area. After all the old Hacienda Restaurant was no longer very attractive and had been neglected inside and out. At one time it was a beautiful restaurant where Jackets were required of diners, those times are long gone.

[Topspinmo]

To anyone owning a home on a Championship golf course anywhere in the Villages, you better be watching this very closely. That huge premium you paid for your home could rapidly go up in smoke. If the developer gets away with their plans for Hacienda Hills, I predict Glenview will be the next target.

I used to be addicted to the kool aid that Gary Morse served, and boy do I miss that drink. The new recipe for kool aid being served by the current generation of the Morse family has a bitter taste.

I agree what’s to say glenview, Lopez, and polo fields won’t next?

[Topspinmo]

Totally disagree. The Morse family did not become gazillionaires by chance, these people know what they are doing and I am quite sure the Hacienda apartments will be quite lovely and an asset to the area. After all the old Hacienda Restaurant was no longer very attractive and had been neglected inside and out. At one time it was a beautiful restaurant where Jackets were required of diners, those times are long gone.

Bet, you don’t live in the area and on golf course that they paid premium price for which may have apartments complex 3 stories High plus and no championship golf course. Sure it’s ok as long as it don’t affect me?

[Madelaine Amee]

I agree what’s to say glenview, Lopez, and polo fields won’t next?

Right now there is a family of restaurateurs running the other country club restaurants, if they fail to provide decent food and a pleasant atmosphere they deserve to fail and become apartments.

[Madelaine Amee]

Bet, you don’t live in the area and on golf course that they paid premium price for which may have apartments complex 3 stories High plus and no championship golf course. Sure it’s ok as long as it don’t affect me?

How WRONG you are.

...... and where are you residing doing all this talking about how terrible everything is going to be? Do you even live here in TV?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

You move on to the many assisted living apartments on about every corner
Between apartments and independent living and not just price . Many people do not need any kind of help , but just maybe want a resort style life and less space