NY Attorney General files lawsuit to dissolve NRA

[Northwoods]

The New York attorney general, filed a lawsuit today seeking to dissolve the National Rifle Association, alleging that years of corruption irreparably undermined its ability to operate as a nonprofit.

This will be interesting...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't own a firearm but I do support 2A, and I support the responsible ownership of firearms by responsible owners.

I also supported the NRA until 1993 when they lobbied for the Dickey amendment, which prohibits the CDC from using its funds to research gun violence in the USA.

I've been against the NRA ever since. The "organization" is nothing more than a very profitable lobby group now. And apparently a corrupt one that has put membership money into the pockets of its officers instead of spending it on its own causes. They never should've gotten their non-prof status in the first place. They can re-create themselves if they are dissolved, but their current incarnation is spoiled and unrecoverable, in my opinion.

[billethkid]

Wow!!

Guilty by media until proven innocent.

Suggests a pattern of concern!

[retiredguy123]

It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Wow!!

Guilty by media until proven innocent.

Suggests a pattern of concern!

I didn't read any article or watch any reporter reporting on anything at all about this. I did, however, watch the live feed of the AG's announcement, from beginning to end.

I also, as I said in my previous post, stopped supporting the NRA back in 1993. It's not political for ME at all.

[rjm1cc]

The state should be protecting the rights of the members, not terminating their association due to bad leadership. Charges should be filed against the individuals that took advantage of their position and if possible restitution to the membership.

[davem4616]

It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?


absolutely agree...let's look into the huge salaries that the Red Cross pays themselves

that's the reason that I stopped donating to them...they're more interested in lining their own pockets than sending the money where it can do the most good

[Number 10 GI]

absolutely agree...let's look into the huge salaries that the Red Cross pays themselves

that's the reason that I stopped donating to them...they're more interested in lining their own pockets than sending the money where it can do the most good

Same for me with United Way, I quit several years ago donating to them.

[GJohn]

Just NY's way to retaliate against all the law suits brought against Cuomo by gun owners and firearms dealers. He never stops the assault!

[Fredman]

I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

[tophcfa]

I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

No responsible firearms owner needs assault type rifles. The reason these firearms are protected is because they are a line of defense against the moonbats going after hand guns and hunting rifles. Once the anti-gun moonbats get rid of assault rifles they will set their sights on their next target, and then the next, and the next, until only criminals possess firearms.

Responsible firearm owners would gladly have assault type weapons become illegal if it came with an iron clad agreement to end all further crusades against other types of firearms.

[Stu from NYC]

It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

Guess they wanted headlines from a source that would support this.

[Two Bills]

absolutely agree...let's look into the huge salaries that the Red Cross pays themselves

that's the reason that I stopped donating to them...they're more interested in lining their own pockets than sending the money where it can do the most good

Hard to find true charities these days without a political agenda, and where the majority of contributions go to the cause.
Too many fat cats leaching off kind hearted people.

[Dahabs]

It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

Which one would you suggest going after ahead of these guys? Seems like a pretty big fish to me and therefore a worthwhile exercise.

[Dahabs]

The state should be protecting the rights of the members, not terminating their association due to bad leadership. Charges should be filed against the individuals that took advantage of their position and if possible restitution to the membership.

I think your initial point is absolutely correct. However, if the organization itself is corrupt, and in this case not operating as non-profit, then perhaps dissolving it and starting over may be the better course of action.

[Coal Miner]

Good. Because of the NRA we have criminals roaming our streets armed to the teeth. The lives this cost and the money we spend for law enforcement is a shame.

[jimbo2012]

It is strictly a political move in an election year that has already backfired!

It maybe unprecedented that a DA seeks to dissolve a corp for the alleged acts of it's officers.

It's officers that should be indited.

THe NRA has already counter sued, they have the resources to take on the legal battle.

They spend about $400 million a year in their programs

I'm not a member, but fully support the 2nd Amendment.

30-40% of Americans own a gun(s)

[stadry]

No responsible firearms owner needs assault type rifles. The reason these firearms are protected is because they are a line of defense against the moonbats going after hand guns and hunting rifles. Once the anti-gun moonbats get rid of assault rifles they will set their sights on their next target, and then the next, and the next, until only criminals possess firearms.

Responsible firearm owners would gladly have assault type weapons become illegal if it came with an iron clad agreement to end all further crusades against other types of firearms.

kind of an argument against yourself, isn't it ? 'responsible firearms owner' shouldn't own a simple rifle ? ar15's one of the most reliable rifles, no ?

just say you don't like the looks of them - that i understand,,, so coming after the ar15's ok but nothing after that ? where have we heard that refrain previously ? how does 1 'shave off' part of a constitutional amendment ? which part of the 2nd amendment offends thee ? what about the right to demonstrate peacefully ? should that also be constrained ?

i owned them in atl for protection,,, i own them here because i want them - shotguns, rifles, handguns - makes no difference,,, have thought about buying an ar15 because ( just because ) they may soon be outlawed w/o reason

it seems to me your argument's invalid based on logic and most anti-gun arguments are in the same camp

[jbrown132]

I don't own a firearm but I do support 2A, and I support the responsible ownership of firearms by responsible owners.

I also supported the NRA until 1993 when they lobbied for the Dickey amendment, which prohibits the CDC from using its funds to research gun violence in the USA.

I've been against the NRA ever since. The "organization" is nothing more than a very profitable lobby group now. And apparently a corrupt one that has put membership money into the pockets of its officers instead of spending it on its own causes. They never should've gotten their non-prof status in the first place. They can re-create themselves if they are dissolved, but their current incarnation is spoiled and unrecoverable, in my opinion.

The same can be said for many non profit organizations. Are we going to dissolve them all?

[Challenger]

I am a gun owner and strong supporter of the 2A . The NRA has for years abused the laws and privilege of operating as a 501c3, organization. Sic em.

[swooner]

It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?
Duh. Maybe because they are not chartered in NY like the NRA is.

[crash]

It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

Maybe they will after they get evidence of wrong doing. They already did shut down the Trump foundation for very similar actions.

[Heyitsrick]

As has been reported, the NRA has been a big lobbying organization for those they see as more likely to support second amendment rights.

No coincidence that this suit is happening now, right around get-out-the-vote time.

Having to divert financial resources to fight off this legal battle takes away from their ability to make their case to the public this fall.

Nah, no politics involved here. Why, it's the purely politically objective State of NY we're talking about. All's good.

[NotFromAroundHere]

how does 1 'shave off' part of a constitutional amendment ? which part of the 2nd amendment offends thee ? what about the right to demonstrate peacefully ? should that also be constrained ?

Almost all of the freedoms in our constitution are constrained, already. Freedom of religion, speech, the press, peaceful assembly. Keeping and bearing arms. Unreasonable search and seizure, etc., etc., etc.

Unrestrained freedom is anarchy.

[Cheapbas]

It is strictly a political move in an election year that has already backfired!

It maybe unprecedented that a DA seeks to dissolve a corp for the alleged acts of it's officers.

It's officers that should be indited.

THe NRA has already counter sued, they have the resources to take on the legal battle.

They spend about $400 million a year in their programs

I'm not a member, but fully support the 2nd Amendment.

30-40% of Americans own a gun(s)

This move is not about amendment rights, taking your guns away,the media or politics

It’s financial mismanagement.

There is a nonprofit and a foundation involved, people donate money to be used for a specific cause and the folks in power take it for their own benefit or the benefit of their friends.

Their was a guy in NY who did that and his foundation was shut down. Another case, wounded warriors spending donations on a lavish party for their employees.

Get the idea, you donate your hard earned cash to support your constitution rights and the officials take it for a $50k private flight to the Bahamas. It’s not cool, it’s against the law, and you should be b.s. they are doing this with your money

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

Support your NRA . Only defense with have against tyranny.
lock and L
ASMS

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

When they start coming for your second amendment rights next .who’s going to defend you . Fake news and NYS . Lol

[davefin]

And, so it begins. First step in the masterplan to get our guns away from us!

[oneclickplus]

No responsible firearms owner needs assault type rifles. The reason these firearms are protected is because they are a line of defense against the moonbats going after hand guns and hunting rifles. Once the anti-gun moonbats get rid of assault rifles they will set their sights on their next target, and then the next, and the next, until only criminals possess firearms.

Responsible firearm owners would gladly have assault type weapons become illegal if it came with an iron clad agreement to end all further crusades against other types of firearms.

No, we wouldn't.

[noslices1]

Maybe she should go after the US Congress. They’ve been doing that for decades.

[ronl911]

Good. Because of the NRA we have criminals roaming our streets armed to the teeth. The lives this cost and the money we spend for law enforcement is a shame.

Could you elaborate on your logic please? The only logical conclusion I can draw from your statement is that guns should never, ever have been allowed in America. Am I correct in my assumption?

[noslices1]

You will not find many “Criminals” who are members of the NRA, so your allegations are false.

[J1ceasar]

Yes it may be a politically-motivated lawsuit but that doesn't make it wrong if you read the complaint and understand the history. It's just like when politicians take money and take money and take money and nothing happens. Just because other Charities get away with it doesn't mean you shouldn't Sue just one

[dicktracy4120]

The FBI complies all crime, including gun violence in all 50 states. Everyone has access to it, including the CDC. NRA has nothing to do with it. In law enforcement, it’s called UCR, Uniform Crime Report. It is turned in to the FBI and a report is released.

[17362]

IMO anything man made is faulty, gets corrupt: United way, Goodwill, Red Cross, Planned parenthood... those are a few that pop to my mind.

[Heyitsrick]

This move is not about amendment rights, taking your guns away,the media or politics

It’s financial mismanagement.

There is a nonprofit and a foundation involved, people donate money to be used for a specific cause and the folks in power take it for their own benefit or the benefit of their friends.

Their was a guy in NY who did that and his foundation was shut down. Another case, wounded warriors spending donations on a lavish party for their employees.

Get the idea, you donate your hard earned cash to support your constitution rights and the officials take it for a $50k private flight to the Bahamas. It’s not cool, it’s against the law, and you should be b.s. they are doing this with your money

Here's a thought: if someone or some people in an organization committed crimes, you indict them and bring them to trial. You don't try to dismantle an organization you don't like, which is what's going on here.

Would you dismantle the United States Congress if a congressman was engaged in fraud, spending campaign money on purely personal things? Using your logic, why wouldn't you? OK, maybe you wouldn't dissolve Congress. Perhaps you would just take away that district's congressional seat. After all, a single individual was engaged in criminal activity, so the baby needs to go out with the bath water, right?

No, a prosecutor would file charges against the individual(s) and bring them to trial. That's how things work in this country when there's no abuse of the system.

[PennBF]

I was a member of the NRA for a few years and let it run out. I will now renew my membership as protecting the 2nd Amendment is critical to our survival! Without guns protection we would now still be bowing to the King of England. Without guns Lincolln
would have failed in over turning the abuse of African American, without guns we would be another state of Germany. I don't know of any person who is a thug and is rioting to overtake cities is a card carrying member of NRA and is in favor of supporting the 2nd Amendment as they are the ones who hope we cancel the 2nd Amendment. The ability to carry guns in order to protect our rights was a blessing from our founders. They knew what the heck they were doing. Ask yourself the question as to why anyone would want you to be unable of protecting your rights and property? :ho:

[nick demis]

I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

Does that mean that you don't have and are against pistols? They are semi-automatic.
Do you know the definition of semi-automatic?

[DecaturFargo]

Long overdue. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. The NRA needs to go. And before someone blasts me. Yes, we own firearms.

[Denvercane]

I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

Without Google, you and the average person can't tell me what the "ar" stands for in AR15. There isn't a military or police officer that would go to fight with a AR15.. It's an inferior weapon to have in a real fire fight. And just about every pistol is a semi-automatic.

[DecaturFargo]

Long overdue. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. The NRA needs to go. And before someone blasts me. Yes, we own firearms.

And to the person who thinks this is bogus. It's because no one has had the "you know what" to sue them. Too powerful, too corrupt. Time for them to go.

[Fuzz323]

Good. Because of the NRA we have criminals roaming our streets armed to the teeth. The lives this cost and the money we spend for law enforcement is a shame.

So what you are saying here is that most or all of the armed dirtbags running around committing crimes in our country are doing so because of membership in the NRA? No wonder this totally non-political hardworking AG decided to bring this lawsuit at this time. Give me a break. :ohdear:

I wonder if all of those gun toting vicious cops are NRA members also? Hmm? :boxing2:

[WindyCityzen]

I spent my entire career working for nonprofits ... which, by the way means there are no stockholders. It does not mean they can’t make a profit. Also, incorporations are a state matter and the NRA chose to incorporate in NY many years ago.

The AG is protecting the MEMBERS through this action. It has nothing to do with politics. There has been enormous fiduciary thievery. The AG wants financial restitution to protect the MEMBERS of the organization and stop illegal “inurement” (which means the board and staff profiting at the expense of the members and public.

[LoisR]

Wow!!

Guilty by media until proven innocent.

Suggests a pattern of concern!
Wrong. Guilty by their own actions. Using the media is just a tacit excuse for accepting their behaviors.

[dennisgavin]

I am sending them a check today to help pay for this bogus lawsuit!

[Byte1]

Real men don't need guns, especially automatics. And this is from a former state rifle champion and former NRA member.

Real men don't need guns? Funny! Tell that to your military and law enforcement. Tell that to all the FEMALES that have and carry guns. Do they believe that "REAL MEN" don't need guns?
I don't NEED an AR15 but I don't care if someone else owns one. I have plenty of other weapons, including several semi-automatic rifles and pistols. I am amused but concerned about all these "experts" on guns that never held one before and think that they know what everyone else "needs" or doesn't need. Of course, we don't NEED a gun. I carry one to protect my family and anyone else that needs protection, when their "I don't need a gun" family member refuses to protect them. Remember that often abused saying that goes something like this: I carry protection when three seconds might mean life or death, when a COP is at least three minutes away.
Just because someone does not like guns, does not give them ANY RIGHT to demand that others not have them.
The gov will never be able to take everyone's guns away. As soon as they announce confiscation, guns will be hidden. If you wish to see a pandemic of crime and brand new influx of criminals in this country, try taking guns away from normally law abiding citizens.

[Dahabs]

You will not find many “Criminals” who are members of the NRA, so your allegations are false.

Agreed. However, you don't need to be a member to benefit from their lobbying.

[theruizs]

It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

You have to start somewhere, right? Or because there are so many corrupt nonprofits just ignore them all and do nothing?

[KRM0614]

They’re as bad as planned parenthood Actblue and BLM

[ChickenDinner]

No responsible firearms owner needs assault type rifles. The reason these firearms are protected is because they are a line of defense against the moonbats going after hand guns and hunting rifles. Once the anti-gun moonbats get rid of assault rifles they will set their sights on their next target, and then the next, and the next, until only criminals possess firearms.

Responsible firearm owners would gladly have assault type weapons become illegal if it came with an iron clad agreement to end all further crusades against other types of firearms.

A slippery slope argument, in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is often viewed as a logical fallacy in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant effect.

[airstreamingypsy]

It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

She did. Since politics are not allowed here, I can't name two big cases she prosecuted and had shut down.

[Taltarzac725]

Dislike what the NRA has become. They did good work before they became something else entirely.

[LowOnCash]

I'm not a fan of automatic weapons but making them illegal means only crooks and terrorist have them. These slobs who kill with them don't buy their guns at gun shops!

[airstreamingypsy]

The prosecution in NY has nothing to do with the second Amendment, it has to do with people donating to a "charity" and the people running the charity using the donations to secure expensive yachts, hotels rooms for their families etc..... IOW living like kings on your donations. That's illegal.

[Lindsyburnsy]

The other charity that had to be dissolved was another high profile grifter from NYC. She is doing her job that has been long overdue.

It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

[Gizemo33]

Retiredguy, your logic is completely flawed. From what you feel or said nonprofits can do all the illegal things in the world and it's OK.

I saw an expose yesterday of the millions and millions that the top four people of the NRA have pilfered. But I guess you and the rest of the Second Amendment people will just continue to send in your membership fees and make "" charitable donations " to the NRA.

Get the true details and maybe you will might change your mind. Oh and by the way nobody is trying to take your guns away -- they're just trying to establish sensible gun ownership.

[Indydealmaker]

I don't own a firearm but I do support 2A, and I support the responsible ownership of firearms by responsible owners.

I also supported the NRA until 1993 when they lobbied for the Dickey amendment, which prohibits the CDC from using its funds to research gun violence in the USA.

I've been against the NRA ever since. The "organization" is nothing more than a very profitable lobby group now. And apparently a corrupt one that has put membership money into the pockets of its officers instead of spending it on its own causes. They never should've gotten their non-prof status in the first place. They can re-create themselves if they are dissolved, but their current incarnation is spoiled and unrecoverable, in my opinion.

The CDC has no business researching anything except disease.

[Number 10 GI]

Real men don't need guns, especially automatics.

Haven't had my full dose of caffeine yet, "Real men don't need guns", what does that mean?

[Garwood1]

I am not a member of NRA but this is the first step in eliminating any and all things they don’t agree with and where does it stop or does it keep going until they have total domination of us all ?

[golf4dns]

So make a donation to assist them in more good works...and tell them to use some of your well intentioned money to take a much deserved vacation.

[Nanny32162]

Just NY's way to retaliate against all the law suits brought against Cuomo by gun owners and firearms dealers. He never stops the assault!
New York State was sued because it did not place firearms stores on the "essential services list." Pharmacies and grocery stores did make the essential services list.Yesterday, the NRA has filed a defamation law suit against the New York State AG. I have not found any other references to other law suits by the NRA.

[Nanny32162]

I am not a member of NRA but this is the first step in eliminating any and all things they don’t agree with and where does it stop or does it keep going until they have total domination of us all ?

This law suit is to stop illegal activity. If "it's the first step in eliminating any and all things they don't age with . . ." It seems to me that NYS doesn't agree with illegal activity, "where does it stop . . ." when all illegal activity is stamped out.

[Number 10 GI]

I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

Lets see, no one needs a 500 horsepower car, a 100 horsepower engine is sufficient. No one needs a Chevy Suburban, a small 100 HP hatchback will suffice for most hauling needs. No one in The Villages needs a 3 or 4 bedroom home, a 1 or 2 bedroom is more than enough for a couple. There is actually no need for The Villages, everyone living here had a home before moving to TV. No one needs a home swimming pool, there are a number of public swimming pools in TV. No one needs a sports car, a small 4 door hatchback with a 100 HP engine meets everyone's needs. If you don't golf you don't need a golf cart. You said you have your share of guns, but Joe Biden says all you need is a double barrel 12 gauge shotgun that you can shoot in the air to scare off the bad guys. Actually you don't need any modern smokeless powder firearms, a black powder flintlock rifle will be sufficient. There is no need for restaurants, houses have a kitchen where you can cook your own meals. We don't need movie theaters, we all have a television. I could go on and on listing the things we don't need but for life to have any joy "wants" need to be available.

[Bucco]

This law suit is to stop illegal activity. If "it's the first step in eliminating any and all things they don't age with . . ." It seems to me that NYS doesn't agree with illegal activity, "where does it stop . . ." when all illegal activity is stamped out.

Does everyone understand that this has nothing to do with guns, but is in fact to protect those members who think they are donating to NRA charity.

It is a scam spending money donated on THEMSELVES and has nothing at all to do with guns directly.

If you are ok with the NRA spending your money on themselves, fine, but don't confuse the issue about guns. Donating to political groups is not allowed and they did it with members money. Now, maybe you knew where it was going to go and did not care, but it is against the law.

[Heyitsrick]

This law suit is to stop illegal activity. If "it's the first step in eliminating any and all things they don't age with . . ." It seems to me that NYS doesn't agree with illegal activity, "where does it stop . . ." when all illegal activity is stamped out.

Let's use your philosophy in another way.

"Joe" goes to the doctor because he has the flu. The doctor takes the bigger picture view of treatment and decides to just kill Joe. Why? Well, killing Joe certainly "stamps out" the flu, right? Why bother with treating the malady, itself?

The AG wants the NRA to die as an organization. She's not (so far, anyway) indicting the person or people she thinks is breaking the law. That is what prosecutors normally do. No, she's essentially saying every single person associated with NRA is guilty of something, apparently, and that the entire entity must therefore perish.

[Joe V.]

Long overdue. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. The NRA needs to go. And before someone blasts me. Yes, we own firearms.


You perhaps have in your custody any legitimate proof of this allegation? ANY?

[EdFNJ]

Don't worry folks. NRA or no NRA you can still keep packin' while at City Fire or while dancing at the squares (if it ever comes back) to protect yourselves from all the bad Villages varmints that may be lurkin' behind them thar shrubs. POW POW POW

[taruffi57]

Funny..........

[funtime]

This probably started last year when col Oliver North tried to clean up the corruption in the nra.
At that time in his resignation letter, by said he believes the NRA should establish a committee to review the organization’s finances, which he said constitute a “clear crisis” that “needs to be dealt with” if the NRA wants to continue to be a viable organization.
There was alot going on, this is when the corruption was uncovered, I believed the AG is following up on North's claims, and found them to be credible. Maybe it helps their agenda, but it still cleans up the organization. It doesnt mean they are dead either, I'm sure people like Oliver North would love to restart the group with honest intentions. This is the right thing to do.

[foxmeadow]

Real men don't need guns, especially automatics. And this is from a former state rifle champion and former NRA member.

Sorry Lois R., not sure how long ago you were a NRA member and State champion, but you apparently misspoke, or you don’t know what you’re talking about. Automatics have been outlawed for the common citizens for many, many years.

[foxmeadow]

I'm not a fan of automatic weapons but making them illegal means only crooks and terrorist have them. These slobs who kill with them don't buy their guns at gun shops!
Automatics are and have been outlawed for a long time. Those scary “assault rifles” are typically hunting rifles. Please read up on this topic!

[foxmeadow]

Let's use your philosophy in another way.

"Joe" goes to the doctor because he has the flu. The doctor takes the bigger picture view of treatment and decides to just kill Joe. Why? Well, killing Joe certainly "stamps out" the flu, right? Why bother with treating the malady, itself?

The AG wants the NRA to die as an organization. She's not (so far, anyway) indicting the person or people she thinks is breaking the law. That is what prosecutors normally do. No, she's essentially saying every single person associated with NRA is guilty of something, apparently, and that the entire entity must therefore perish.

Exactly!!

[ficoguy]

And the NRA quickly countersued NY. So this will be a draw but a good publicity stunt for the NY Attorney General
Kind of like putting Clay Shaw on trial for killing JFK - moot point

[jimjamuser]

I don't own a firearm but I do support 2A, and I support the responsible ownership of firearms by responsible owners.

I also supported the NRA until 1993 when they lobbied for the Dickey amendment, which prohibits the CDC from using its funds to research gun violence in the USA.

I've been against the NRA ever since. The "organization" is nothing more than a very profitable lobby group now. And apparently a corrupt one that has put membership money into the pockets of its officers instead of spending it on its own causes. They never should've gotten their non-prof status in the first place. They can re-create themselves if they are dissolved, but their current incarnation is spoiled and unrecoverable, in my opinion.
Agreed. Good post. I stopped my membership in the 60s when they switched their emphasis from hunting animals and weapons designed for hunting to high margin expensive military style firearms used almost exclusively to KILL HUMANS - in effect hunting HUMANS. I personally would never shoot at a human outline or drawing of a human, even a depiction of a criminal. I would shoot only bulleyes. The NRA also pushed paint ball, which is basically practice for some imagined World War III or an apocalypse - Again it is hunting HUMANS. I also slowly switched to bow hunting which gave longer seasons and more of a woodsman challenge - also more time to walk among nature.

[noslices1]

I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

So, you have some “revolvers” and maybe a Henry, Lever action style rifle, but no PISTOLS, like a .45 or 9mm and no Marlin .22 rifle? Nothing that you can just pull the trigger 8-10 times and not have to re-cock to shoot again? Except for the look of the gun, an AR-15 is basically the same as the Marlin, .22 semi-automatic rifle I had when I was 16 yrs old.

[Alana33]

New York Attorney General Letitia James announced this morning a state lawsuit demanding the dissolution of the National Rifle Association (NRA) for "decades" of illegal activity while "top executives funneled millions into their own pockets." Singled out is longtime NRA Chief Executive Wayne LaPierre, long accused of running the once-powerful pro-gun group as personal profit center.

The lawsuit accuses top NRA officials of fraudulently making off with $63 million of the alleged nonprofit's funds in the period between 2015 and 2018 alone.

The lawsuit centers around LaPierre's own behavior, charging he "hired and retained individuals in senior positions" who would "enable him to control the organization" despite having no related skills or experience. LaPierre and his handpicked lieutenants then "regularly ignored, overrode or otherwise violated" NRA bylaws and procedures to divert assets to "insiders and favored vendors." It charges LaPierre and his executives with violating IRS rules in order to hide NRA payments to executives for personal expenses, such as entertainment and travel, including $500,000 in private air charter expenses to the Bahamas by LaPierre and family for "at least eight" personal vacations.

The NRA has as a result "persistently engaged in illegal and unauthorized activities," the lawsuit charges, and should therefore be "dissolved" in accordance with applicable nonprofit law. For LaPierre's siphoning off of funds, the lawsuit also demands that he and the other executives named in the suit be removed from their positions and required to repay misused funds and resulting penalties.

LaPierre's alleged pilfering of NRA funds for personal expenses has been the subject of numerous public exposures, even as the NRA itself faces dire financial straits. Whether a court will find the NRA's illegal acts to indeed be so egregious as to require dissolution as an entity remains to be seen.

[noslices1]

Real men don't need guns, especially automatics. And this is from a former state rifle champion and former NRA member.

NOBODY is advocating that citizens should have AUTOMATIC weapons. If you knew anything about guns and “former state rifle champion and former NRA member” should, you would know that “Automatic” weapons are illegal in the U S, unless you have a special permit to own one.( Which is almost impossible to get)

[jimjamuser]

No responsible firearms owner needs assault type rifles. The reason these firearms are protected is because they are a line of defense against the moonbats going after hand guns and hunting rifles. Once the anti-gun moonbats get rid of assault rifles they will set their sights on their next target, and then the next, and the next, until only criminals possess firearms.

Responsible firearm owners would gladly have assault type weapons become illegal if it came with an iron clad agreement to end all further crusades against other types of firearms.
A domino theory in the beginning that has questionable logic, more paranoia than anything else BUT, I like the last sentence and I AGREE with it.

[Number 10 GI]

Don't worry folks. NRA or no NRA you can still keep packin' while at City Fire or while dancing at the squares (if it ever comes back) to protect yourselves from all the bad Villages varmints that may be lurkin' behind them thar shrubs. POW POW POW

Hate to burst your bubble but there are no "safe" places. Some may be or appear to be safer than others but none are immune to violence. Better to be prepared than caught with your pants down.

[jimjamuser]

Good. Because of the NRA we have criminals roaming our streets armed to the teeth. The lives this cost and the money we spend for law enforcement is a shame.
Australia has done the right thing. Only single shot rifle and bolt action repeaters are allowed. The semi-autos were CRUSHED. CRIME went DOWN. People in the US are unaware of that fact. You can hunt successfully with a bolt action. The best hunters prefer single shot. You can protect your home without a semi-auto. Less crime and zero loss of liberty or messing up the 2nd amendment. Australia is smart compared to the US about this. Australia also REQUIRES people to vote - very impressive.

[jimjamuser]

This probably started last year when col Oliver North tried to clean up the corruption in the nra.
At that time in his resignation letter, by said he believes the NRA should establish a committee to review the organization’s finances, which he said constitute a “clear crisis” that “needs to be dealt with” if the NRA wants to continue to be a viable organization.
There was alot going on, this is when the corruption was uncovered, I believed the AG is following up on North's claims, and found them to be credible. Maybe it helps their agenda, but it still cleans up the organization. It doesnt mean they are dead either, I'm sure people like Oliver North would love to restart the group with honest intentions. This is the right thing to do.
Good points. Maybe some I would disagree with, but a good contribution to the discussion.

[jimjamuser]

Automatics are and have been outlawed for a long time. Those scary “assault rifles” are typically hunting rifles. Please read up on this topic!
Typically hunting weapons do not have 30 round banana clips, Police killing, vest penetrating bullets, and silencers. If you are truly a hunter you do not need those HUMAN killing attachments while hunting squirrel and deer - plus it would be awkward and added weight.

[Joe V.]

Typically hunting weapons do not have 30 round banana clips, Police killing, vest penetrating bullets, and silencers. If you are truly a hunter you do not need those HUMAN killing attachments while hunting squirrel and deer - plus it would be awkward and added weight.

The 2nd Amendment was not written with game hunting in mind.

[jimjamuser]

The 2nd Amendment was not written with game hunting in mind.
OK, but I don't see the point. I believe that what I wrote is correct and pertinate to the discussion. I am NOT a Constitutional lawyer so I am unqualified to go into the details or stated purpose of the 2nd amendment, which I endorse. So, I stand by my writing.

[tsouth]

I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

Not meaning to start a flame war, but how do you determine what others need?

[Joe V.]

OK, but I don't see the point. I believe that what I wrote is correct and pertinate to the discussion. I am NOT a Constitutional lawyer so I am unqualified to go into the details or stated purpose of the 2nd amendment, which I endorse. So, I stand by my writing.

Armed piercing bullets specifically designed for this are already illegal to possess. I own a rifle, not bolt action, that fires a 30.06 which I guarantee will penetrate body armor yet it is not designed as an armor piercing round, and is used for hunting.

I bet your experience with silencers is what you see in movies. No gun is silenced. It merely reduces the decibel output from a gun. They are legal.

Red herrings.

[Byte1]

Agreed. Good post. I stopped my membership in the 60s when they switched their emphasis from hunting animals and weapons designed for hunting to high margin expensive military style firearms used almost exclusively to KILL HUMANS - in effect hunting HUMANS. I personally would never shoot at a human outline or drawing of a human, even a depiction of a criminal. I would shoot only bulleyes. The NRA also pushed paint ball, which is basically practice for some imagined World War III or an apocalypse - Again it is hunting HUMANS. I also slowly switched to bow hunting which gave longer seasons and more of a woodsman challenge - also more time to walk among nature.

Yep, there are pacifists and there are patriots. Too bad folks do not know anything about firearms and think that anything that has a plastic stock is "military like." By the way, just for S&G's the 2nd talks about firearms in the context of a local militia. Of course, this is a straw man's argument, but I wonder if anyone understands that if you ever have to fight the gov. a "military like" weapon would be most folks choice. Therefore, outlawing "military like" weapons would be construed as violating the theme of the 2nd Amendment, right?
By the way, most pistols now are semi-automatic, not automatic. Most rifles now are semi-automatic, including shotguns. When the 2nd Amendment was written, did they mention what constituted a "military like" weapon and what would just be used for hunting? I don't really think that they were thinking of hunting when they wrote the 2nd.

An assault weapon can be anything, not just a automatic or semi-automatic. They did not have either when they wrote the Amendment. An assault weapon then was a musket or a tomahawk. Now, most define an assault weapon as a fully automatic rifle or machine gun. The only way you can get one is to pay a tax stamp with the federal gov. and fill out a fifteen page document and then a full background investigation. Can you tell me if you can remember in the last fifty years of anyone that committed a crime with a legally owned automatic weapon? Key term "legally owned."

[Byte1]

Australia has done the right thing. Only single shot rifle and bolt action repeaters are allowed. The semi-autos were CRUSHED. CRIME went DOWN. People in the US are unaware of that fact. You can hunt successfully with a bolt action. The best hunters prefer single shot. You can protect your home without a semi-auto. Less crime and zero loss of liberty or messing up the 2nd amendment. Australia is smart compared to the US about this. Australia also REQUIRES people to vote - very impressive.

That's OK, go for it. I prefer my U.S. of A. just the way it has been up to now. I like my country FREE.
Responsible gun owners do not need laws to regulate them. They are "responsible."

[Number 10 GI]

Typically hunting weapons do not have 30 round banana clips, Police killing, vest penetrating bullets, and silencers. If you are truly a hunter you do not need those HUMAN killing attachments while hunting squirrel and deer - plus it would be awkward and added weight.

Nearly every hunting rifle round will penetrate the typical body armor worn by police officers. Even the ballistic armor worn by the military will only stand up to certain lower power rounds. Do you know what it takes to legally own a silencer? You don't walk into the nearest Silencers R Us store buy one and take it home. 34 states allow the use of a silencer for hunting, it helps prevent hunters hearing loss. The AR15 has become a popular hunting gun, especially for varmint and destructive pest type animals. Other than a few shootings where a demented individual used an AR or AK, killings by these weapons is way down on the list of firearm deaths. Homicides by rifle are extremely low. Hand guns are the weapon used in the majority of shooting deaths.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The state should be protecting the rights of the members, not terminating their association due to bad leadership. Charges should be filed against the individuals that took advantage of their position and if possible restitution to the membership.

If you had listened to the entire announcement by the AG including the Q&A session immediately after it, you'd know that someone already brought that up. The response was that the corruption and graft goes SO deep that it's not just the 4 people involved. They're just the ones who profited the most from it. The AG said that there is no way to repair the damage done. All that can be done at this point is to retcon, and re-create.

[jimjamuser]

Yep, there are pacifists and there are patriots. Too bad folks do not know anything about firearms and think that anything that has a plastic stock is "military like." By the way, just for S&G's the 2nd talks about firearms in the context of a local militia. Of course, this is a straw man's argument, but I wonder if anyone understands that if you ever have to fight the gov. a "military like" weapon would be most folks choice. Therefore, outlawing "military like" weapons would be construed as violating the theme of the 2nd Amendment, right?
By the way, most pistols now are semi-automatic, not automatic. Most rifles now are semi-automatic, including shotguns. When the 2nd Amendment was written, did they mention what constituted a "military like" weapon and what would just be used for hunting? I don't really think that they were thinking of hunting when they wrote the 2nd.

An assault weapon can be anything, not just a automatic or semi-automatic. They did not have either when they wrote the Amendment. An assault weapon then was a musket or a tomahawk. Now, most define an assault weapon as a fully automatic rifle or machine gun. The only way you can get one is to pay a tax stamp with the federal gov. and fill out a fifteen page document and then a full background investigation. Can you tell me if you can remember in the last fifty years of anyone that committed a crime with a legally owned automatic weapon? Key term "legally owned."
I have known the distinction between semi-auto and fully automatic weapons since 5th grade. That is practically a detail compared to my various larger points. I was not talking about hand guns. But, there are semi-auto except single action would be more analogous to a quick bolt action, or a pump,or lever action than a semi-auto. Plus there are match single action hand guns, even multiple barrel hand guns. Again, I wanted to KISS and deal with only long guns. I have no problem with the 2nd amendment, so barely mentioned it. I would not define a tomahawk as an assault weapon no more than some kung fu artists hands. But, thanks for your input!

[EdFNJ]

Don't worry folks. NRA or no NRA you can still keep packin' iron while at City Fire or while dancing at the squares (if it ever comes back) to protect yourselves from all the bad Villages varmints that may be lurkin' behind them thar shrubs. POW POW POW

Hate to burst your bubble but there are no "safe" places. Some may be or appear to be safer than others but none are immune to violence. Better to be prepared than caught with your pants down.


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[jimjamuser]

Armed piercing bullets specifically designed for this are already illegal to possess. I own a rifle, not bolt action, that fires a 30.06 which I guarantee will penetrate body armor yet it is not designed as an armor piercing round, and is used for hunting.

I bet your experience with silencers is what you see in movies. No gun is silenced. It merely reduces the decibel output from a gun. They are legal.

Red herrings.
A gun that shoots a bullet at less than the speed of sound can be effectively silenced. I believe that it was not too long ago that anyone could buy armour-piercing bullets. There are plenty around. But, I had many, many valid points.

[Number 10 GI]

I would not define a tomahawk as an assault weapon no more than some kung fu artists hands. But, thanks for your input!

But in it's day it was a fearsome weapon and even today in the hands of a capable individual it is still a deadly device. To qualify as a "mass shooting" it only requires 3 people to be killed or injured. In a crowded environment such as a mall or school even an average person could kill or severely injure 3 people with a tomahawk. So is it not an assault weapon?

[jimjamuser]

Nearly every hunting rifle round will penetrate the typical body armor worn by police officers. Even the ballistic armor worn by the military will only stand up to certain lower power rounds. Do you know what it takes to legally own a silencer? You don't walk into the nearest Silencers R Us store buy one and take it home. 34 states allow the use of a silencer for hunting, it helps prevent hunters hearing loss. The AR15 has become a popular hunting gun, especially for varmint and destructive pest type animals. Other than a few shootings where a demented individual used an AR or AK, killings by these weapons is way down on the list of firearm deaths. Homicides by rifle are extremely low. Hand guns are the weapon used in the majority of shooting deaths.
You are right about body armour only blocking most pistol rounds. I could have come up with a larger list of why hunting rifles and the normally defined military style long gun are different animals. My main point was that a dedicated hunter would have zero need to carry those added weight, unnecessary items with them. It is just a "Rambo" mentality.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Retiredguy, your logic is completely flawed. From what you feel or said nonprofits can do all the illegal things in the world and it's OK.

I saw an expose yesterday of the millions and millions that the top four people of the NRA have pilfered. But I guess you and the rest of the Second Amendment people will just continue to send in your membership fees and make "" charitable donations " to the NRA.

Get the true details and maybe you will might change your mind. Oh and by the way nobody is trying to take your guns away -- they're just trying to establish sensible gun ownership.

The lawsuit has nothing to do with sensible or nonsensible gun ownership. The lawsuit has nothing to do with gun ownership at all. The lawsuit has nothing to do with guns. Or the Second Amendment. At all.

AT
ALL

The lawsuit is about a particular lobby group that serves manufacturers of a particular product, taking money from individual members for dues, while those members may or may not work for those manufacturers, and that lobby group subsequently skims the dues money and other donations to use on things that have nothing to do with the supposed purpose of the organization.

Now, that might not be a horrible crime, to some of you. It is to me. But to make matters worse, this organization has non-profit status under the tax code. Which is to say - it is tax-exempt. They benefit from dues that don't necessarily go to the thing they claim should be tax exempt.

Tax exemption is based on a very strict set of criteria. They have violated that set of criteria - supremely. So they're cheating the government, they're cheating members, they're cheating pretty much everyone, including the manufacturers who "donate" millions to them every year to politically support those manufacturers as a lobby.

If it was widgets that was the product - if it's Doritos. If it's KFC. If it's the cannibis growers foundation. If it's the black shoelace coalition.

Whatever the product is...

this organization exists, at this point in history, to support the manufacture of the product. It has no care for its membership, the individuals who actually pay to be members of it. This is proven by the fact that they have skimmed millions and used that membership money for things that have nothing to do with helping members with anything at all.

That is what this lawsuit is about.

[jimjamuser]

But in it's day it was a fearsome weapon and even today in the hands of a capable individual it is still a deadly device. To qualify as a "mass shooting" it only requires 3 people to be killed or injured. In a crowded environment such as a mall or school even an average person could kill or severely injure 3 people with a tomahawk. So is it not an assault weapon?
No, not without severely stretching the normal modern definition of "assault weapon". If someone massages words and definitions enough they can TRY to justify anything.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The CDC has no business researching anything except disease.

Actually no, that is not true. The function of the CDC is to assist in the prevention of health, safety, and security risks. Gun violence falls under the last two categories. Subsequent death as a result of gun violence would fall under the first two categories.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The 2nd Amendment was not written with game hunting in mind.

No but the NRA (which is what this topic is about, NOT 2A) was founded to support hunters, not human-killers.

[Number 10 GI]

No, not without severely stretching the normal modern definition of "assault weapon". If someone massages words and definitions enough they can TRY to justify anything.

Just like the anti gun element that severely stretches the definition of an assault weapon and "massages words and definitions".

[Kenswing]

Typically hunting weapons do not have 30 round banana clips, Police killing, vest penetrating bullets, and silencers. If you are truly a hunter you do not need those HUMAN killing attachments while hunting squirrel and deer - plus it would be awkward and added weight.

People with no knowledge of firearms shouldn't comment about firearms.

There are no such things as "silencers". The technical term is "Sound Suppressor". As the name suggests, it suppresses the sound. It surely doesn't silence it. Even with a suppressor it's recommended that you still wear hearing protection. The only place you can truly silence the report of a firearm is in the movies.

And what in the hell is a Banana Clip? Is that something you attach to your banana to accelerate its ripening? If you're referring to those pesky things that hold those scary bullets, those are called magazines..

Please people.. Know something about a subject before you make an ass of yourselves.

[Joe V.]

No but the NRA (which is what this topic is about, NOT 2A) was founded to support hunters, not human-killers.

Wow! Nothing of your statement is correct.

[Number 10 GI]

Clubs, knives, guns, bricks, rebar, iron pipe, and anything else used to kill or injure a person is an assault weapon. If you intentionally injure or kill someone it is an assault. We don't have a gun, knife or bludgeon violence problem in this country, we have a violence problem and that is what needs to be addressed.

[Joe V.]

Clubs, knives, guns, bricks, rebar, iron pipe, and anything else used to kill or injure a person is an assault weapon. If you intentionally injure or kill someone it is an assault. We don't have a gun, knife or bludgeon violence problem in this country, we have a violence problem and that is what needs to be addressed.


I give up. It is like talking to petulant 3 year olds who just whine all the time because they want something other people have. Good luck with your efforts in this thread.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I give up. It is like talking to petulant 3 year olds who just whine all the time because they want something other people have. Good luck with your efforts in this thread.

So I guess this: Actually the NRA was founded by northerners during the Jim Crow era in the south to assist former slaves in training and arming themselves. It is the oldest civil rights organization in the US.

Wasn't the result of a petulant 3-year-old who whines all the time because they want something other people have.

Here's a clue: you were wrong. Nothing in your statement had any basis in truth. You corrected me with a total fabrication that even the NRA's own website doesn't mention.

And - the oldest civil rights organization in the USA was the American Colonization Society, founded in 1816 as an instrumental branch of the abolitionist movement. The NRA wasn't founded until 55 years later, in 1871.

Sadly - the NRA no longer stands for what it was founded to stand for, it no longer supports what it was founded to support, and it no longer acts in the best interests of its members. Instead, it steals from them. Which is the purpose of the lawsuit against them - to determine damages and enforce consequences.

[tenorgirl]

Good. Because of the NRA we have criminals roaming our streets armed to the teeth. The lives this cost and the money we spend for law enforcement is a shame.

Because of criminal activity we have criminals roaming our streets with stolen guns or guns bought through the underground. People intent on committing a crime will not let rules or regulations stand in their way.

[billethkid]

Hmmmmnnnn....over 5 million folks (members) being duped or not knowing any better!?

I don't think so!

[jimjamuser]

Potato and potaaaadoooo. You know what a banana clip is. And the point is that it is unnecessary on a hunting rifle. Look for the point of a post, not details to criticize.

[jimjamuser]

Clubs, knives, guns, bricks, rebar, iron pipe, and anything else used to kill or injure a person is an assault weapon. If you intentionally injure or kill someone it is an assault. We don't have a gun, knife or bludgeon violence problem in this country, we have a violence problem and that is what needs to be addressed.
Fine !!!!!!

[billethkid]

Clubs, knives, guns, bricks, rebar, iron pipe, and anything else used to kill or injure a person is an assault weapon. If you intentionally injure or kill someone it is an assault. We don't have a gun, knife or bludgeon violence problem in this country, we have a violence problem and that is what needs to be addressed.

Tolerated, allowed and supported by far too many of those hiding behind the anti gun agenda.

[GoodLife]

The lawsuit has nothing to do with sensible or nonsensible gun ownership. The lawsuit has nothing to do with gun ownership at all. The lawsuit has nothing to do with guns. Or the Second Amendment. At all.

AT
ALL

The lawsuit is about a particular lobby group that serves manufacturers of a particular product, taking money from individual members for dues, while those members may or may not work for those manufacturers, and that lobby group subsequently skims the dues money and other donations to use on things that have nothing to do with the supposed purpose of the organization.

Now, that might not be a horrible crime, to some of you. It is to me. But to make matters worse, this organization has non-profit status under the tax code. Which is to say - it is tax-exempt. They benefit from dues that don't necessarily go to the thing they claim should be tax exempt.

Tax exemption is based on a very strict set of criteria. They have violated that set of criteria - supremely. So they're cheating the government, they're cheating members, they're cheating pretty much everyone, including the manufacturers who "donate" millions to them every year to politically support those manufacturers as a lobby.

If it was widgets that was the product - if it's Doritos. If it's KFC. If it's the cannibis growers foundation. If it's the black shoelace coalition.

Whatever the product is...

this organization exists, at this point in history, to support the manufacture of the product. It has no care for its membership, the individuals who actually pay to be members of it. This is proven by the fact that they have skimmed millions and used that membership money for things that have nothing to do with helping members with anything at all.

That is what this lawsuit is about.

The more they insist it's not about guns.....it's about guns :MOJE_whot:

"The Lady doth protest too much methinks"

[cathy34787]

One at a time!

[Bucco]

The more they insist it's not about guns.....it's about guns :MOJE_whot:

"The Lady doth protest too much methinks"

This strikes me as a response to a factual post on what the thread is supposed to be about, by someone unfamiliar with truth and facts, except those that come from him.

The doggone investigation and charges have Zero to do with guns.

It is about crooks who steal from others and spend it on them selves, present themselves in a phoney manner, lie and cheat.

Trying to change the subject of threads seems habit forming to some

[bluecenturian]

I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

What type of guns do you own then, muzzle loaders. I hope you realize a 9mm handgun is a semi automatic. 1 pull of the trigger is 1 round fired.

[Nevermore]

The New York attorney general, filed a lawsuit today seeking to dissolve the National Rifle Association, alleging that years of corruption irreparably undermined its ability to operate as a nonprofit.

This will be interesting...

About time

[bluecenturian]

No responsible firearms owner needs assault type rifles. The reason these firearms are protected is because they are a line of defense against the moonbats going after hand guns and hunting rifles. Once the anti-gun moonbats get rid of assault rifles they will set their sights on their next target, and then the next, and the next, until only criminals possess firearms.

Responsible firearm owners would gladly have assault type weapons become illegal if it came with an iron clad agreement to end all further crusades against other types of firearms.

I wish people knew what an “Assault Rifle” is. It is a firearm that had rapid fire with automatic firing. That means 1 pull of the trigger will fire as many rounds as are fed into the bolt. These type of fire arms are highly regulated and not authorized by the public without a Federal Firearm License issued by the ATF.

An”AR15” is NOT an assault rifle. It is a semi automatic firearm. 1 trigger pull is 1 round fired. You must release the trigger and pull it again to get another round fired. This is the same as a handgun including a revolver. The only difference is the rifle has a longer barrel designed to fire a round with more accuracy by creating greater bullet spin.

And please understand that the “AR” does not mean “Assault Rifle.”

[Topspinmo]

Potato and potaaaadoooo. You know what a banana clip is. And the point is that it is unnecessary on a hunting rifle. Look for the point of a post, not details to criticize.

Then limit the clip, no high powered rifle should have more than 5 rounds. Next we can argue over what hi-powered? Now, home defense would be different matter?

[Topspinmo]

I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics


You might want to add mini 30 to list? Twice the rifle of the knock-offs. Best of both worlds plenty in clip, compact, semiautomatic, and .308 Round can knock’em down 400 yards plus.

[transplanted]

The New York attorney general, filed a lawsuit today seeking to dissolve the National Rifle Association, alleging that years of corruption irreparably undermined its ability to operate as a nonprofit.

This will be interesting...
And hours later, the NRA filed against New York Attorney General Letitia James, accusing her of defamation and violating the org's right to free speech. Fingers pointing at each other - what's new?

[transplanted]

Good. Because of the NRA we have criminals roaming our streets armed to the teeth. The lives this cost and the money we spend for law enforcement is a shame.
The topic is about white collar crime within the NRA - not about guns.
But since you went there... as we all know, criminals do not obey laws (like only owning 'legal' guns) so outlawing guns, or specific types of guns, will not stop the criminals intent on using them to carry out their desires. Guns don't make them criminals, their choices - followed by their actions, make them criminals.

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

Good for you . But it’s my right to own any firearms legally. It’s not about semiautomatic weapons it’s about control. Asked Australia how that’s working out .

[merled]

It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

Yes, look at all the charities including American Red Cross who's executives keep all but a small portion going to where it is needed.

[GoodLife]

New York City in July:

Murders up 59%

Shootings up 177%

Burglaries up 31%

Auto theft up 53%

Response from NY attorney general?

NRA lawsuit

[Nucky]

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[Mohawksin]

Second Amendment: ...shall not be infringed...

Deed Restrictions: ....no lawn ornaments..

Both simple and not confusing, yet both seem to upset some folks.

Just saying..

[billyb1950]

absolutely agree...let's look into the huge salaries that the Red Cross pays themselves

that's the reason that I stopped donating to them...they're more interested in lining their own pockets than sending the money where it can do the most good

Don't stop with the NRA...look into Planned Parenthood's
books and salaries, too!

[Stu from NYC]

New York City in July:

Murders up 59%

Shootings up 177%

Burglaries up 31%

Auto theft up 53%

Response from NY attorney general?

NRA lawsuit

They do have their priorities

[Bucco]

New York City in July:

Murders up 59%

Shootings up 177%

Burglaries up 31%

Auto theft up 53%

Response from NY attorney general?

NRA lawsuit

Comparing murder with fraud and theft by a charity is quite something

[Alaska Butch]

Of course its a lobby group. If it didnt exist the 2A would have been dead and buried long ago. This type of lawsuit makes my blood boil. Primadonna politicos spending tax money to take away a freedom. Its reprehensible. Please spare me the lectures on how guns have killed. The gun never killed. Typically it is a spoiled whacko or a product of the worst legislation to ever be passed. The welfare system. Sorry for the rant but where do these people get off? 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[Glennjy]

Charitynavigator.com lists most charities and where the money goes.

[Bucco]

Of course its a lobby group. If it didnt exist the 2A would have been dead and buried long ago. This type of lawsuit makes my blood boil. Primadonna politicos spending tax money to take away a freedom. Its reprehensible. Please spare me the lectures on how guns have killed. The gun never killed. Typically it is a spoiled whacko or a product of the worst legislation to ever be passed. The welfare system. Sorry for the rant but where do these people get off? 🤬🤬🤬🤬

I do believe it is their job.

And once again, this has nothing to do with guns...it is about people stealing from members for their own use.

[mtlee024]

Freedman, all non automatic guns are semi-automatic, meaning they fire one shot each time the trigger is pulled. So any gun you own is semi-automatic. Even a revolver, that is, it fires one round each time the trigger is pulled.

[mtlee024]

I'm not a fan of automatic weapons but making them illegal means only crooks and terrorist have them. These slobs who kill with them don't buy their guns at gun shops!
It is already illegal to sell automatic firearms. You have to have a special federal expensive license to own an automatic firearm. You should know more about what you are talking about before getting into a discussion.

[Dana1963]

How long b4 a nut case with a nut case makes a move!The New York attorney general, filed a lawsuit today seeking to dissolve the National Rifle Association, alleging that years of corruption irreparably undermined its ability to operate as a nonprofit.

This will be interesting...

[Number 10 GI]

Comparing murder with fraud and theft by a charity is quite something

Yes it is quite something. Failing to address the huge increase in violent crime and redirecting valuable time and resources to something much less evil makes sense?

[jimjamuser]

Because of criminal activity we have criminals roaming our streets with stolen guns or guns bought through the underground. People intent on committing a crime will not let rules or regulations stand in their way.
The very obvious answer is to just do a simple comparison of statistics for murder and robbery with GUNS for the US with that of Canada, Europe and Australia. Similar countries, only with MUCH fewer firearms per capita. The US is out of control because of several factors, such as the NRA stoking fear, fear of racial unrest, fear of the government, and a general "Rambo and paintball" mentality. The frontier and cowboy images in cinema and on TV is another factor.

[jimjamuser]

The lawsuit has nothing to do with sensible or nonsensible gun ownership. The lawsuit has nothing to do with gun ownership at all. The lawsuit has nothing to do with guns. Or the Second Amendment. At all.

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The lawsuit is about a particular lobby group that serves manufacturers of a particular product, taking money from individual members for dues, while those members may or may not work for those manufacturers, and that lobby group subsequently skims the dues money and other donations to use on things that have nothing to do with the supposed purpose of the organization.

Now, that might not be a horrible crime, to some of you. It is to me. But to make matters worse, this organization has non-profit status under the tax code. Which is to say - it is tax-exempt. They benefit from dues that don't necessarily go to the thing they claim should be tax exempt.

Tax exemption is based on a very strict set of criteria. They have violated that set of criteria - supremely. So they're cheating the government, they're cheating members, they're cheating pretty much everyone, including the manufacturers who "donate" millions to them every year to politically support those manufacturers as a lobby.

If it was widgets that was the product - if it's Doritos. If it's KFC. If it's the cannibis growers foundation. If it's the black shoelace coalition.

Whatever the product is...

this organization exists, at this point in history, to support the manufacture of the product. It has no care for its membership, the individuals who actually pay to be members of it. This is proven by the fact that they have skimmed millions and used that membership money for things that have nothing to do with helping members with anything at all.

That is what this lawsuit is about.
Yes, they are cheating the govenment by NOT paying taxes. Therefore, they are cheating you and I, the honest taxpayers. I have always said that white collar crime if way, way WORSE than blue collar crime. And much harder to prove.

[Stu from NYC]

But the responsible gun owner which is the vast majority are not the ones doing the killing and robbing.

[tvbound]

It's apparent that many people have become so accepting of blatant corruption in recent years, that they now become upset toward those people and entities that are trying to address it. Even though the goal, is to protect them from being the ones taken advantage of or ripped off. Truly weird and scary, when you think about it.

[jimjamuser]

This strikes me as a response to a factual post on what the thread is supposed to be about, by someone unfamiliar with truth and facts, except those that come from him.

The doggone investigation and charges have Zero to do with guns.

It is about crooks who steal from others and spend it on them selves, present themselves in a phoney manner, lie and cheat.

Trying to change the subject of threads seems habit forming to some
This idea started off well.....then, to me, got weaker in that, talking about the NRA is almost impossible without mentioning the product that they are pushing (with lies and fears), namely HUMAN-killing games and high margin, high capacity-to-kill masses like in Las Vegas. How is it that HUMAN KILLING SPREE by a madman, USING NRA approved equipment and a "bump-stock" device to easily get AUTOMATIC , machinegun-like firing rate - every man's right? That was a tragic, HISTORIC massacre and the NRA was a factor to blame! In my opinion.

[jimjamuser]

Then limit the clip, no high powered rifle should have more than 5 rounds. Next we can argue over what hi-powered? Now, home defense would be different matter?
I could live with that basic idea.

[jimjamuser]

Good for you . But it’s my right to own any firearms legally. It’s not about semiautomatic weapons it’s about control. Asked Australia how that’s working out .
Yes, Australian serious crime DROPPED!

[jimjamuser]

New York City in July:

Murders up 59%

Shootings up 177%

Burglaries up 31%

Auto theft up 53%

Response from NY attorney general?

NRA lawsuit
There are larger factors for that crime increase than anything that the NY AG has control over. Failure to foresee CV spread entering NY and nearby areas by not stopping travel from Europe soon enough was a factor. Idle hands and minds is a factor in crime. Then you have the George Floyd incident caught on the many cell phone cameras around, which was a spark to erupt long needed REAL social justice resulting in protests and the usual violence that evolves. Many, many causes of crime. Also a personal attack on the NY AG that is a "smoke and mirror" tactic to lead away from the NRA subject.