Villages response to Covid 19 shameful

[sukismom]

A good friend just quit their job as golf Ambassador. The reason, a co worker diagnosed with covid just died. They shared equipment, cart, phone etc. Villages response was to keep this hush, hush. No extra measures taken to sanitize common employee areas. Business as usual. Their location is not the only one to be affected but you will never hear about this in the news. Be careful playing on golf courses and practice areas. At least WAWA has the proper response after one of their employees tested positive.

[davem4616]

everyone is responsible for their own safety...and making their own decisions...your friend did what they felt was right for them

shameful if it actually was 'business as usual'....but I wouldn't immediately jump to that conclusion based on hearsay

[Stu from NYC]

Do not know enough to agree or disagree with what you wrote.

We certainly take all necessary precautions in our everyday lifes making sure shopping wagons are sanitized and realizing not every surface of the cart is done.

[vintageogauge]

A good friend of mine works at a rec. center and told me that they keep it totally safe with constant disinfection efforts, no one there has tested positive and I would be willing to bet that this will not be on the news and the reason you haven't heard of this situation is because The Villages are keeping it hush hush. I like proven facts, I do not like hearsay.

[Topspinmo]

Golf should of been the first thing shut down:faint::faint::faint:

[VApeople]

a co worker diagnosed with covid just died. They shared equipment, cart, phone etc.

In other words, a person who did not practice social distancing caught the Virus and died.

That should be a warning to all of us.

[kendi]

A good friend just quit their job as golf Ambassador. The reason, a co worker diagnosed with covid just died. They shared equipment, cart, phone etc. Villages response was to keep this hush, hush. No extra measures taken to sanitize common employee areas. Business as usual. Their location is not the only one to be affected but you will never hear about this in the news. Be careful playing on golf courses and practice areas. At least WAWA has the proper response after one of their employees tested positive.

I’m not too quick to believe this. Too many people jump to conclusions based on gossip and hearsay.

[Rwirish]

I have been told by several ambassadors that proper measures have been taken to help ensure the safety of workers and golfers.

[newgirl]

I am so sorry for your pain and fear .. stay safe

[donassaid]

So a worker at a Villages golf course caught Covid 19 and died and it is automatically the fault of the Villages staff and golf should have been the first thing shut down? Really? There is no mention of the health of the Ambassador that died. Was he overweight? On blood pressure meds? Have respiratory issues? Diabetic? He could have picked this up at any number of places. I work at Palmer as a cleaner. All the staff wear face masks and social distance. I keep the bathrooms spotless and disinfected, wiping down everything from the sinks, commode, tower dispensers to even the door handles, locks and flush handles on commode. I also mop the floors. Probably one of the safest places people can go. Stop jumping to conclusions without any evidence to back it up.

[MSchad]

They shared equipment, cart, phone etc. Villages response was to keep this hush, hush. No extra measures taken to sanitize common employee areas. Business as usual.
This is not true. The courses I work at, common areas are sanitized by employees constantly. Carts, including ambassador carts, are sanitized between each use. Extremely sad what happened, but you can’t condemn the entire organization. We are trying very hard to keep your life as normal as possible.

[cwhitecat]

Golf should of been the first thing shut down:faint::faint::faint:

Why?

[LoriV]

What golf course?

[CFrance]

In other words, a person who did not practice social distancing caught the Virus and died.

That should be a warning to all of us.
No... if it's true, a person who had to use the same equipment as the person who caught the virus and died has quit due to the lack of safe practices of his place of employment.

[jedalton]

A good friend just quit their job as golf Ambassador. The reason, a co worker diagnosed with covid just died. They shared equipment, cart, phone etc. Villages response was to keep this hush, hush. No extra measures taken to sanitize common employee areas. Business as usual. Their location is not the only one to be affected but you will never hear about this in the news. Be careful playing on golf courses and practice areas. At least WAWA has the proper response after one of their employees tested positive.
I was shocked when I found out this was their policy. Luckily I didn't work with this person but this policy makes no sense to me.

[rlcooper70]

Seems to me that you might be over-reacting. How can I get the virus playing with my own gold clubs, in my own cart, with my own ball?

Perhaps you are correct that the Villages should not have listened to the Governor when he said to open the bars ... or perhaps it is a form of accountability that those who congregate are exposing themselves.

[jedalton]

I have been told by several ambassadors that proper measures have been taken to help ensure the safety of workers and golfers.
not true

[rlcooper70]

Another thought about the emails .... are some of you thinking that a golf cart that has been sitting outside overnight is somehow a hazard to the next person getting into it? And why would not the next occupant wipe it down? Who is accountable for their own health? Where is individual intelligence in this trend .... for heaven's sake ... let's agree that we have to use our neural synapses.

[Travelhunter]

A good friend just quit their job as golf Ambassador. The reason, a co worker diagnosed with covid just died. They shared equipment, cart, phone etc. Villages response was to keep this hush, hush. No extra measures taken to sanitize common employee areas. Business as usual. Their location is not the only one to be affected but you will never hear about this in the news. Be careful playing on golf courses and practice areas. At least WAWA has the proper response after one of their employees tested positive.
If this is true I am most concerned about the “hush hush” statement
The developer should be transparent if about Covid exposure

[Leadbone1]

A good friend just quit their job as golf Ambassador. The reason, a co worker diagnosed with covid just died. They shared equipment, cart, phone etc. Villages response was to keep this hush, hush. No extra measures taken to sanitize common employee areas. Business as usual. Their location is not the only one to be affected but you will never hear about this in the news. Be careful playing on golf courses and practice areas. At least WAWA has the proper response after one of their employees tested positive.

Wow what a ridiculous post. People die from a lot of things including the flu and other viral and bacterial infections. Covid is not a death sentence. It is not a stage four cancer diagnosis. It is 99% survivable the same as the flu. Yes people are going to die from it just like they do a lot of other things. Could we please stop totally overreacting to this!
The paranoia out there over this virus is just totally ridiculous.

[PennyAnn]

So very sorry to hear about your co-worker. And disappointed to hear how many automatically don't believe you, when you actually worked there and saw a cover-up yourself. Not surprised that TV would hide this vital information. They seem to care more about their image than of people's lives. Happy to hear you were able to quit, to at least keep yourself safe. I guess all those nay sayers won't believe this until they themselves are stricken. Stay home. Wear a mask when out. Save lives.

[Guitarman1951]

So a worker at a Villages golf course caught Covid 19 and died and it is automatically the fault of the Villages staff and golf should have been the first thing shut down? Really? There is no mention of the health of the Ambassador that died. Was he overweight? On blood pressure meds? Have respiratory issues? Diabetic? He could have picked this up at any number of places. I work at Palmer as a cleaner. All the staff wear face masks and social distance. I keep the bathrooms spotless and disinfected, wiping down everything from the sinks, commode, tower dispensers to even the door handles, locks and flush handles on commode. I also mop the floors. Probably one of the safest places people can go. Stop jumping to conclusions without any evidence to back it up.
Amen!!!

[Eg_cruz]

If this is true I am most concerned about the “hush hush” statement
The developer should be transparent if about Covid exposure
The Villages have always been “hush hush” with any bad news...... Definitely not something new

[Dilligas]

I was shocked when I found out this was their policy. Luckily I didn't work with this person but this policy makes no sense to me.
When you begin with “a good friend ...”, it is gossip. You have no facts. That is how rumors and misinformation gets spread.

[Mardarlowe]

Comical.

[Sunflower1]

Which gold course?

[Guitarman1951]

Golf should of been the first thing shut down:faint::faint::faint:
That's just a ridiculous statement. There's much more risks going to Drs, getting groceries or gas than at golf courses.

[wirenail444]

In other words, a person who did not practice social distancing caught the Virus and died.

That should be a warning to all of us.
Why? Its outside, open air, acres of open space, great exercise, individual cart use. What could be safer.

[Hifred]

It would be nice if The Villages provided "proven facts" by listing out where in TV COVID-19 infections have occurred. The fact that they are not providing this information either in the Daily Sun or via a web site is suspect. I would like to see transparency with regard to Covid reporting. Then I could make an informed choice about how I pick and choose activities.

[Girlcopper]

I’m not too quick to believe this. Too many people jump to conclusions based on gossip and hearsay.
I agree. As any story is retold, it gets better and better each time. Im sure in a week, the story will morph to “25% of the golfers are dead and they are keeping it quiet”. Keep your distance from people, keep your hands clean, wipe down as best you can anything you are going to touch and get on with your life. This stuff is expected to stay around until the first half of next year. Its the new norm. Live with it or go crawl under a bush and bury your head until its over

[oneclickplus]

A good friend just quit their job as golf Ambassador. The reason, a co worker diagnosed with covid just died. They shared equipment, cart, phone etc. Villages response was to keep this hush, hush. No extra measures taken to sanitize common employee areas. Business as usual. Their location is not the only one to be affected but you will never hear about this in the news. Be careful playing on golf courses and practice areas. At least WAWA has the proper response after one of their employees tested positive.

Be responsible for your own safety. It's not up to the villages or anyone else to protect you. I wear a mask when necessary and carry around a small spray bottle of isopropyl alcohol. Doesn't matter what those around me do. I am careful what I touch and wash with alcohol afterward.

[Bogie Shooter]

It would be nice if The Villages provided "proven facts" by listing out where in TV COVID-19 infections have occurred. The fact that they are not providing this information either in the Daily Sun or via a web site is suspect. I would like to see transparency with regard to Covid reporting. Then I could make an informed choice about how I pick and choose activities.

Proven facts?
Just because a person working for golf died from the virus does not mean it was contacted while working. Any number of other places. So, how is anybody able to list where the infection occurred?
Picking and choosing your activities has nothing to do with cases. Without contact tracing how would it be determined where the virus was contracted at a rec center or some other activity?
What information would you want published in the Daily Sun?
Your statements make no sense, since there is no logical way to do what you are asking.
Your safety is your responsibility......

[wayneman]

Wow what a ridiculous post. People die from a lot of things including the flu and other viral and bacterial infections. Covid is not a death sentence. It is not a stage four cancer diagnosis. It is 99% survivable the same as the flu. Yes people are going to die from it just like they do a lot of other things. Could we please stop totally overreacting to this!
The paranoia out there over this virus is just totally ridiculous.
Mr. Ledbone1,
You sir are part of the problem. I have a wife with stage 4 cancer with a suppressed immune system.
I also work daily on the front lines so I speak from experience. I see people who have covid with no symptoms. I see people who have severe symptoms and pass away. I also see people who recover and will have lasting neurological symptoms or heart & lung issues. People who have some pre existing issues are at a huge risk, especially from people like you who continue to look at this as “paranoia”.
It’s real, it needs to be contained, and with flu season around the corner deaths will rise significantly.
And just so you know, wherever you go, whatever you do, if the person next to you has not been careful, they could be infecting you. Even in your local ER waiiting room. I sincerely hope you change your way of thinking.

[SannyTX]

To those that posted they are responsible for cleaning, sanitizing, etc. the bathrooms and other areas on and around the golf courses and rec centers - I offer you a huge THANK YOU!!!!

[bkcunningham1]

Everyone who worked with the deceased was tested. Precautions were taken. God bless the family and friends of the deceased. He had many other health problems prior to getting the virus.

[justjim]

A good friend just quit their job as golf Ambassador. The reason, a co worker diagnosed with covid just died. They shared equipment, cart, phone etc. Villages response was to keep this hush, hush. No extra measures taken to sanitize common employee areas. Business as usual. Their location is not the only one to be affected but you will never hear about this in the news. Be careful playing on golf courses and practice areas. At least WAWA has the proper response after one of their employees tested positive.

OP, your friend is scared and I don’t blame him. It can be deadly especially for people our age. Don’t take some of the comments personally. Right or wrong everybody has a right to their opinion. Golfing in The Villages is about as safe as any Outdoor activity can possibly be but still it or any other activity Is not 100% safe. Prayers for the deceased family and friends. Fore.

[gatorbill1]

It would be nice if The Villages provided "proven facts" by listing out where in TV COVID-19 infections have occurred. The fact that they are not providing this information either in the Daily Sun or via a web site is suspect. I would like to see transparency with regard to Covid reporting. Then I could make an informed choice about how I pick and choose activities.

Agree totally - I might be more apt to use the amenities I am not using now.

[yankygrl]

Agree totally - I might be more apt to use the amenities I am not using now.
Because of HIPPA rules, sometimes they can’t give out specifics. “The grapevine “ always has the info and it gets out but then again it also gets distorted.

[Stu from NYC]

Bye cause of HIPPA rules, sometimes they can’t give out specifics. “The grapevine “ always has the info and it gets out but then again it also gets distorted.

I was also thinking that about HIPPA.

[yankygrl]

Everyone who worked with the deceased was tested. Precautions were taken. God bless the family and friends of the deceased. He had many other health problems prior to getting the virus.
I’m more concerned with the chemicals they use on the courses then possibly getting COVID while I’m golfing. I have a group and no one else golfs with us at this time.

[TooColdNJ]

So a worker at a Villages golf course caught Covid 19 and died and it is automatically the fault of the Villages staff and golf should have been the first thing shut down? Really? There is no mention of the health of the Ambassador that died. Was he overweight? On blood pressure meds? Have respiratory issues? Diabetic? He could have picked this up at any number of places. I work at Palmer as a cleaner. All the staff wear face masks and social distance. I keep the bathrooms spotless and disinfected, wiping down everything from the sinks, commode, tower dispensers to even the door handles, locks and flush handles on commode. I also mop the floors. Probably one of the safest places people can go. Stop jumping to conclusions without any evidence to back it up.
:bigbow:

Thanks for a job well done! You’re one of the people we all count on to keep us safe, and I hope others who have the same job around the villages take it as seriously as you do! There are people who cut corners or miss things, not always purposefully. You are obviously one who recognizes the vital nature of what you do.

[TerriRacioppo]

Thank you for your wonderful and diligent work efforts! 👍🏼

[EviesGP]

Exactly what Bogie Shooter said...what exactly should be published? How do we know the circumstances around this man's illness and death? How and where did he contract it? More importantly, if the employer knew he was positive, THEN they should have immediately responded by removing him from the workplace?! But, I'm quite certain they didn't know. To publish something like this would only cause hysteria, and lead to many questions(like I just asked).

As for the practices at the golf courses, I know first hand, that every reasonable step is taken to clean, sanitize, and distance ourselves. Like every other human event, not everyone does everything, like they're supposed to. But it's still very reasonable. I, too, recently resigned due to Covid. But it wasn't for fear of contracting. It was that the job was no longer enjoyable for me. I totally enjoyed being an Ambassador, and interacting with the people. When they took away the water jugs, then our water jugs, then the rakes, then asked us not to touch sand bottles. I was left with driving by(at a distance), and waving, while people were sweltering in the heat. I hope to go back, when things settle. Be safe, and let's pray this subsides and we get a vaccine.

[Topspinmo]

Why?

Cause everything else was. Golfers are not special

[skip0358]

All I can say is this. It's not the Developers fault. Ask yourself these questions you go to mail station how many people have touched your mail before you, you go to the market for groceries how many people have touched what your buying before you , you pay for something with cash or go to the ATM for cash how many people have touched that, was the dish or utensils washed at the proper temperature before you use them and was the server or kitchen person or fast food person changing gloves after each purchase? How long was it before masks were required and how few are still wearing them. Where does it end and how safe can you be? If your going to get it your going to get it. You do the best you can period. Hopefully someday it will be over! Ok I'm ready for the backlash.

[Topspinmo]

Because of HIPPA rules, sometimes they can’t give out specifics. “The grapevine “ always has the info and it gets out but then again it also gets distorted.


But, everybody in the insurance has full access, but I have to pay and request my own medical records.

[clwahlstrom]

Now why would you say that? I think it’s the safest activity in the villages. You must not be a golfer.

[DecaturFargo]

Criminal. Si, what club?

[McGyver9]

This gossip post on TOV is a perfect example of WHY they would prefer it to be kept quiet.
Because they KNOW there are thousands of old bittys just aching for a juicy half-baked story to spread around...

HOW can ANYONE blame/put a finger on WHERE someone contracted "the Rona"?
It's ridiculous!
Cases like these are the reason that tort limitations on "blame" for infection/death are necessary....

And, as previously mentioned, it's up to YOU, personally, to take precautions....like cleaning things YOURSELF (not taking someone ELSE'S word for it)...keep your paws out of your mouth...and to decide for YOURSELF whether or NOT to work a job where you contact literally hundreds of people a day.
If reports of this person's health are true, I'd have to guess that being an ambassador wasn't the ONLY poor decision they made...
RIP

[Cecilebug]

Did you read what this person actually said? This person was NOT THE COWORKER. Sheezzzz

[Flamingodoll]

To many unknown facts missing. I don't believe any of it.

[Jacob85]

The villages is going along with the people who think this virus is no big deal. It’s not a matter of people just taking care of themselves, our decisions could result in affecting other people and someone dying. Since there is this selfish attitude here and downplaying the numbers who have died, it gives them permission not to follow the guidelines. Something medical has turned into something political. The villages wants to promote this as a safe place with few cases so they can sell more houses.

[Plain&peanut]

I totally agree with you skip0358.

[talleyjm]

Does anyone know exactly HOW MANY VILLAGERS HAVE DIED FROM COVID? Keep seeing the names of the same two women but I know there have been more than two deaths from the virus. What happened to the male pickel ball player who was hospitalized? Why isn’t anyone interested in the number of deaths?

[MSchad]

And disappointed to hear how many automatically don't believe you, when you actually worked there and saw a cover-up yourself.
Read the op post again. They did not work there so they didn’t observe it first hand. Their neighbor worked there.

[Haggar]

Wow what a ridiculous post. People die from a lot of things including the flu and other viral and bacterial infections. Covid is not a death sentence. It is not a stage four cancer diagnosis. It is 99% survivable the same as the flu. Yes people are going to die from it just like they do a lot of other things. Could we please stop totally overreacting to this!
The paranoia out there over this virus is just totally ridiculous.

Based upon today numbers for the US the death rate is 3.3% of cases. And deaths follows weeks behind the number of cases diagnosed. This is not the flu!

[DonnaNi4os]

I am always sorry to hear of the passing of a friend or loved one. COVID has led to misinformation and fear. I have always believed that people do the right thing when they are told the truth. Instead we have been fed information the media has spoon fed us, not always the truth. Conspiracy theories still abound. I suggest that we all choose our “bubble” of friends and do what is right for our situation while continuing to wear a mask in public. This unfortunately has led to strained friendships because others don’t understand. As one with several pre-existing conditions I continued to have little contact with people outside of my bubble. I haven’t seen my kids and grandkids since Thanksgiving. It isn’t easy. But if we are smart we will get through this. Stay safe everyone.

[Haggar]

Based upon today numbers for the US the death rate is 3.3% of cases. And deaths follows weeks behind the number of cases diagnosed. This is not the flu!

And in addition the CDC for the flu season ended April 2020 estimated flu deaths at between 24,000 and 62,000 deaths. In the season ended April 2019 the CDC estimated 34,200 deaths. Covid deaths as of today are more than 161,000.

Any comparison to the flu is totally irresponsible!

[graciegirl]

Does anyone know exactly HOW MANY VILLAGERS HAVE DIED FROM COVID? Keep seeing the names of the same two women but I know there have been more than two deaths from the virus. What happened to the male pickel ball player who was hospitalized? Why isn’t anyone interested in the number of deaths?

Every day there is an update for SUMTER COUNTY. Yesterday there were 29 new cases of Covid-19 in Sumter County. One person died from it yesterday here in Sumter County. That is what I watch. The first part of July it held at 17 deaths for a LONG time and now in four weeks it has more than doubled to 42. That may include prisoners and does not include people in the areas close by in Lake County and Marion County that are part of The Villages. These are the best and most dependable statistics I can find and they show me that in the last four weeks that the area close to home has lost people faster than at any time since March. Here are the stats I follow if anyone is interested. Plus. Don't blame The Villages. People have free will in the choices they make. Most of us CAN stay home if we want to.

covid 19 cases in the villages florida - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=covid+19+cases+in+the+villages+florida&FORM=SBRS02)

[Rosie1950]

Proven facts?
Just because a person working for golf died from the virus does not mean it was contacted while working. Any number of other places. So, how is anybody able to list where the infection occurred?
Picking and choosing your activities has nothing to do with cases. Without contact tracing how would it be determined where the virus was contracted at a rec center or some other activity?
What information would you want published in the Daily Sun?
Your statements make no sense, since there is no logical way to do what you are asking.
Your safety is your responsibility......

Some of your statement I agree with, BUT if you were to reread the original post, NOWHERE does it state, the unfortunate person who passed CAUGHT the virus at the course. The poster indicates their friend was uncomfortable with having to share certain items.
Bravo for the poster who said he’s a cleaner at Palmer. Question do you think he stands at the restroom doors and cleaned after each use? I can’t say, but I bet not. After he cleans all you need is that one person and bingo.
I only agree with TDS part of your post.

[Joanne19335]

I was also thinking that about HIPPA.

I’m NOT going to believe any of this until someone posts which golf course was involved. Knowing the golf course does not violate any HIPPA regulation.

[moe1212]

Amen / in Massachusetts the official death rate has a notation as follows / Probable cases had either a positive antibody test and either had COVID symptoms or were likely to be exposed to a positive case. They also include individuals whose death certificate listed COVID-19 as a cause of death but who were not tested. Seems like they are trying to juice the numbers / antibody test is 50/50 result accuracey but also stated ; Covid symptoms( which could be any number of different illnesses, Likely to be exposed (what) from what we read everyone is likely to be exposed and lastly death certificates that list covid but were never tested (what)

[bgamble3]

everyone is responsible for their own safety...and making their own decisions...your friend did what they felt was right for them

shameful if it actually was 'business as usual'....but I wouldn't immediately jump to that conclusion based on hearsay
You are responsible for your own safety. Don't blame others!

[wayneman]

Sorry that you and spouse are going through this, but you have a choice - work or not. You have chosen to work whether it’s because you “need” the money or “want” it...you still made the choice to continue being in the environment where you are both at risk.
Really?? Obviously you don’t realize the cost of healthcare.
Especially when a cancer diagnosis is in play. You must be on medicare or very wealthy. We are not close to medicare age, my wife cannot work, so our lively hood depends on me working and providing healthcare. Many times i think how i would like to walk away from healthcare field. If it wasn’t for health insurance, i would walk today without regret. I have put 39 yrs into healthcare in FL. And NO, there are no pensions in FL healthcare.

[doodles]

Why shut down golf. The players never touch anything but their own cart, ball, club.

[PhilipB]

should HAVE been shut down

[Travelhunter]

Be responsible for your own safety. It's not up to the villages or anyone else to protect you. I wear a mask when necessary and carry around a small spray bottle of isopropyl alcohol. Doesn't matter what those around me do. I am careful what I touch and wash with alcohol afterward.
I too am careful. The developer has no right to withhold Covid information in the villages. This post states the information was “hush hush”. If that is true the developer should be exposed for this conduct and taken to task
We need to be able to make informed decisions and decide individually how much risk we are willing to expose ourselves too!

[Travelhunter]

Proven facts?
Just because a person working for golf died from the virus does not mean it was contacted while working. Any number of other places. So, how is anybody able to list where the infection occurred?
Picking and choosing your activities has nothing to do with cases. Without contact tracing how would it be determined where the virus was contracted at a rec center or some other activity?
What information would you want published in the Daily Sun?
Your statements make no sense, since there is no logical way to do what you are asking.
Your safety is your responsibility......

No it doesn’t mean it was contacted where working. It certainly means that all of the people he was in contact with while working are at risk, need to quarantine and get tested!!!!!!!!!!
To keep this “hush hush” is as unethical as it is irresponsible

[jimjamuser]

A good friend of mine works at a rec. center and told me that they keep it totally safe with constant disinfection efforts, no one there has tested positive and I would be willing to bet that this will not be on the news and the reason you haven't heard of this situation is because The Villages are keeping it hush hush. I like proven facts, I do not like hearsay.
The only way to keep an indoor building "totally safe" from a highly contagious, AIRBORNE deadly virus would be to PADLOCK that building until the US has around 80% of its people vaccinated (if the vaccine is good for about 1 year, which no ones knows yet). Saying that somewhere is totally safe is one way to keep people employed with a veneer of "normality" - until DEATHS are so great that normality and the social fabric is disrupted and the US is FORCED to re-quaranteen. Likely, this will happen 3 to 4 weeks after Fl. has opened its schools.

[Travelhunter]

Everyone who worked with the deceased was tested. Precautions were taken. God bless the family and friends of the deceased. He had many other health problems prior to getting the virus.
Precautions should have included anyone who might have had contact at the starter shack to be informed

[jimjamuser]

This is not true. The courses I work at, common areas are sanitized by employees constantly. Carts, including ambassador carts, are sanitized between each use. Extremely sad what happened, but you can’t condemn the entire organization. We are trying very hard to keep your life as normal as possible.
Can life be really normal in an intensely abnormal deadly Plague?

[jimjamuser]

So very sorry to hear about your co-worker. And disappointed to hear how many automatically don't believe you, when you actually worked there and saw a cover-up yourself. Not surprised that TV would hide this vital information. They seem to care more about their image than of people's lives. Happy to hear you were able to quit, to at least keep yourself safe. I guess all those nay sayers won't believe this until they themselves are stricken. Stay home. Wear a mask when out. Save lives.
Good post!

[jimjamuser]

Mr. Ledbone1,
You sir are part of the problem. I have a wife with stage 4 cancer with a suppressed immune system.
I also work daily on the front lines so I speak from experience. I see people who have covid with no symptoms. I see people who have severe symptoms and pass away. I also see people who recover and will have lasting neurological symptoms or heart & lung issues. People who have some pre existing issues are at a huge risk, especially from people like you who continue to look at this as “paranoia”.
It’s real, it needs to be contained, and with flu season around the corner deaths will rise significantly.
And just so you know, wherever you go, whatever you do, if the person next to you has not been careful, they could be infecting you. Even in your local ER waiiting room. I sincerely hope you change your way of thinking.
That was REAL truth. A mature, intelligent ADULT telling his CHILDREN to be responsible and careful!

[dcurrie947]

Thank you

[jmkeyzers]

Shutting down golf is crazy. No details on the dead person. You don’t even know if work was a factor. Stop the fear mongering.

[ScottYvonne]

It’s an individual responsibility to protect yourself. We have to stop trusting others to the right thing.

[Curtisbwp]

In 1957 the usa was ravaged with covid 3. It was worse than the pandemic today. There were NO home confinement, no masks and no social distancing. The Jewish community in NY, NJ, CONN, and Mass protected their children by sending them to a camp in Maine. Today, generation after generation still send their young to that same camp in maine. People took responsibility for their own wellbeing, NOT TODAY!! Today people angrily demand that others protect them. If you are eager for others to tell you how to live your life well then "have at it" i choose to protect myself. Amen and God be with you.

[jimjamuser]

It’s an individual responsibility to protect yourself. We have to stop trusting others to the right thing.
You can NOT trust other people to do the RIGHT thing. That's why anarchy does NOT work and why people NEED Government. Granted that a government with a just, light touch is best.

[Aspillaga60@yahoo.com]

Your very welcome!!! and as Recreation Assistant we do our best to protect us and others.:icon_wink:

[Stu from NYC]

You can NOT trust other people to do the RIGHT thing. That's why anarchy does NOT work and why people NEED Government. Granted that a government with a just, light touch is best.

Very true. One of the worlds biggest lies is I am from the govt and here to help you

[mgkw1]

A good friend just quit their job as golf Ambassador. The reason, a co worker diagnosed with covid just died. They shared equipment, cart, phone etc. Villages response was to keep this hush, hush. No extra measures taken to sanitize common employee areas. Business as usual. Their location is not the only one to be affected but you will never hear about this in the news. Be careful playing on golf courses and practice areas. At least WAWA has the proper response after one of their employees tested positive.

In your defense, everyone is reading this wrong, The golf courses disinfect and some golfers practice social distancing. But when an employee is diagnosed it is reported to The Villages. Then in turn you would expect the coworkers to be told in case they came in contact with the person. They DO NOT. it is don't ask don't tell. There is no concern for the safety of the rest of the employees. How do I know ? I work for them

[PNaughton]

I don't believe it until I read it in the on line news that we are not allowed to mention here.

[Dana1963]

It not just The Villages it’s the whole state of Florida is in denial, we are a success story back up to over 8000 positives.

[jimjamuser]

It not just The Villages it’s the whole state of Florida is in denial, we are a success story back up to over 8000 positives.
Truth to that .

[DonH57]

So a worker at a Villages golf course caught Covid 19 and died and it is automatically the fault of the Villages staff and golf should have been the first thing shut down? Really? There is no mention of the health of the Ambassador that died. Was he overweight? On blood pressure meds? Have respiratory issues? Diabetic? He could have picked this up at any number of places. I work at Palmer as a cleaner. All the staff wear face masks and social distance. I keep the bathrooms spotless and disinfected, wiping down everything from the sinks, commode, tower dispensers to even the door handles, locks and flush handles on commode. I also mop the floors. Probably one of the safest places people can go. Stop jumping to conclusions without any evidence to back it up.

In the past few months playing golf during this pandemic I've seen the villages do everything they can to play safe golf to allowing the employees to work or not. Keeping the bathrooms clean and posting reminders to sanitize, distance, and mask. I feel sorry to hear of someone's loss but no one here knows where the unfortunate contact was made.

[Rite2jamie]

I also heard one of the managers came down with COVID. When he wanted to send out an email to the staff to let them know, upper management told him NO. They didn’t want anyone to know.

[Velvet]

Contact tracing would take care of the manager. But if I was the person who came down with Covid do you really think I would be asking for permission who to tell? Seriously?

[Northwoods]

It always amazes me what people expect from The Developer.
As of today there are 1284 confirmed cases in Sumter County. Do any of these people work? Where? Where do they shop? Have they gone out to dinner?
I have a friend who was quarantined because she worked with someone who tested positive. She works at a business on Villages property. SHE doesn't even know who the person was who tested positive! I've been in this store. There is no notice as I walk in that someone who works there tested positive for COVID.
Have you walked into any store that posted they have an employee that tested positive?
Yet you expect The Developer to tell you about all the positive cases in The Villages. :ohdear:

[TooColdNJ]

Does anyone know exactly HOW MANY VILLAGERS HAVE DIED FROM COVID? Keep seeing the names of the same two women but I know there have been more than two deaths from the virus. What happened to the male pickel ball player who was hospitalized? Why isn’t anyone interested in the number of deaths?

If you look on the Florida COVID website and the three zip codes, you get a good idea.

[Dennys37Packard]

So sad for the person that got infected. But we are adults, if I was still working during these times, i do believe I would be taking my own precautions as well as what ever the company had in place or didn’t. We all have access to hand sanitizer, antiseptic wipes etc. before using phone or cart, wipe steering wheel, keys, etc down, if in office, wear a mask and wipe phone off, use my own marker and pencil, etc. I wouldn’t take it for granted that everyone else was careful. Be responsible for your own self. When you go shopping, do you trust that the cart has been wiped down, NO. Do it yourself. It you do pickup for groceries, do you wash your hands after unbanning things in case the person that put everything in your trunk is sick? Pumping gas? Wear disposable gloves or paper towels to handle equipment and my biggest pet peace, the touch screens every where.... gas pumps, check out, ATM, food ordering, .... do you wipe them down? Wash afterwards before you touch your face? Please stop blaming The Villages for everything. We are all in this together but YOU are responsible for you. Please be safe everyone. Condolences to to families of all those infected.

[Ladygolfer93]

So very sorry to hear about your co-worker. And disappointed to hear how many automatically don't believe you, when you actually worked there and saw a cover-up yourself. Not surprised that TV would hide this vital information. They seem to care more about their image than of people's lives. Happy to hear you were able to quit, to at least keep yourself safe. I guess all those nay sayers won't believe this until they themselves are stricken. Stay home. Wear a mask when out. Save lives.

I agree the only important factor is "image". We have ONE news paper, ONE, and yet, you have to do extensive research to find out anything here ! You would think in most communities the number one headline in the news paper would be the current virus stats, but not here ! I was surprised to find that the ambassadors share the same cart; I actually never thought about it, figured they owned those carts themselves but now that I think of it, of course they would be the property of the Villages. Has anyone ever wondered which, if ANY, drugs for the virus are available in this hospital ? Can you request the one that became so controversial after the administration supported it's off label use ? The lack of communication and facts here is stunning. It's a nice community but sometimes I long for a real town with real elected mayor, council, a real newspaper (it there is such a thing any more ?), and where everything is not kept so "secret"..... it just makes for MORE rumor and innuendo... sad situation.

[Ladygolfer93]

So sad for the person that got infected. But we are adults, if I was still working during these times, i do believe I would be taking my own precautions as well as what ever the company had in place or didn’t. We all have access to hand sanitizer, antiseptic wipes etc. before using phone or cart, wipe steering wheel, keys, etc down, if in office, wear a mask and wipe phone off, use my own marker and pencil, etc. I wouldn’t take it for granted that everyone else was careful. Be responsible for your own self. When you go shopping, do you trust that the cart has been wiped down, NO. Do it yourself. It you do pickup for groceries, do you wash your hands after unbanning things in case the person that put everything in your trunk is sick? Pumping gas? Wear disposable gloves or paper towels to handle equipment and my biggest pet peace, the touch screens every where.... gas pumps, check out, ATM, food ordering, .... do you wipe them down? Wash afterwards before you touch your face? Please stop blaming The Villages for everything. We are all in this together but YOU are responsible for you. Please be safe everyone. Condolences to to families of all those infected.

I definitely agree but..... you know we can ALL make a mistake. We put on the gloves at the filling station, we remove them correctly and dispose of them correctly, we make sure we don't use a contaminated mask, we clean our cell phone regularly in the proper way, then, one day, we make a mistake, we touch our face after removing a mask we've worn all day, or we make one phone call and "forget" and wipe sweat from our eye, and....... that's all it takes, one mistake, and how long can we live like that until everyone makes that one small mistake after being so careful ????

[Ladygolfer93]

The previous city I lived in in another state would have had the HEADLINE of the paper each morning saying _____ deaths in ____ hospital (we only had two major hospitals in the city and it would certainly have been the daily headline how many had died) over night, etc. etc. Here it is all so "secretive" or just ignored completely. Not very aggressive reporting for sure ? I get disgusted with the press at times but..... a free press is about all that stands between us and living in a "fantasy" of ignorance. That's not good for sure !

[Ladygolfer93]

Another thought about the emails .... are some of you thinking that a golf cart that has been sitting outside overnight is somehow a hazard to the next person getting into it? And why would not the next occupant wipe it down? Who is accountable for their own health? Where is individual intelligence in this trend .... for heaven's sake ... let's agree that we have to use our neural synapses.

I do get your point and don't disagree, however; I am sure many employees, in this time of virus infections running wild especially here where it is all covered up so much more than in real towns, that folks going to work (rather in Publix, golf courses, schools, or restaurants) do expect and assume their EMPLOYERS are cleaning the carts, disinfecting their work counters and desks, whatever, at their place of work.

[Ladygolfer93]

Shutting down golf is crazy. No details on the dead person. You don’t even know if work was a factor. Stop the fear mongering.

That's the real problem here. It's not like any ordinary town where you can pick up the paper and read what happened. Yes, crazy to shut down golf ! Did any one read the obits ? For the person who died ? Did it even mention which golf course they worked for ? There will always be "fear mongering" but.... A REAL news paper and some HONEST reporting would go a long way to stop at least 80% of the stories that circulate. I can remember way back when someone was killed right in the square one night... I could not believe the next morning's paper, you would have thought it would be the headline, something like that NEVER happened before.... but no, like it never even happened ??? How many cities would that happen ??

[coffeebean]

I agree. As any story is retold, it gets better and better each time. Im sure in a week, the story will morph to “25% of the golfers are dead and they are keeping it quiet”. Keep your distance from people, keep your hands clean, wipe down as best you can anything you are going to touch and get on with your life. This stuff is expected to stay around until the first half of next year. Its the new norm. Live with it or go crawl under a bush and bury your head until its over

Wiping down everything you touch is really not feasible. You can not sanitize your world. The easy way to handle this is DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE. It really doesn't matter if the virus is on your hands at any given time when you are out and about. Just DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE. Wash your hands before you eat, after using the restroom and more often during the day. That is the best way to handle the contamination from surfaces. Have you noticed Publix has stopped sanitizing their shopping carts?

[Heyitsrick]

The previous city I lived in in another state would have had the HEADLINE of the paper each morning saying _____ deaths in ____ hospital (we only had two major hospitals in the city and it would certainly have been the daily headline how many had died) over night, etc. etc. Here it is all so "secretive" or just ignored completely. Not very aggressive reporting for sure ? I get disgusted with the press at times but..... a free press is about all that stands between us and living in a "fantasy" of ignorance. That's not good for sure !

I'm not understanding why you need a newspaper to splash COVID-19 deaths as a headline in the newspaper each day. Why? Why is it necessary to know which golf course someone worked at? There's no evidence the golf course management is implicated. This person probably shopped, too. Should we know which grocery store(s) they patronized? Gas stations?

Johns Hopkins updates their stats map for counties each and every day, including counties in Florida.

Here's today's Sumter County map from Johns Hopkins: (link: JHU COVID-19 Dashboard Infographic v3.6 PRD (https://bao.arcgis.com/covid-19/jhu/county/12119.html))

https://i.imgur.com/ThBQMv3g.jpg

[PugMom]

I’m not too quick to believe this. Too many people jump to conclusions based on gossip and hearsay.

yes, it appears to be habit among some

[PugMom]

:clap2:Wow what a ridiculous post. People die from a lot of things including the flu and other viral and bacterial infections. Covid is not a death sentence. It is not a stage four cancer diagnosis. It is 99% survivable the same as the flu. Yes people are going to die from it just like they do a lot of other things. Could we please stop totally overreacting to this!
The paranoia out there over this virus is just totally ridiculous.

[PugMom]

Mr. Ledbone1,
You sir are part of the problem. I have a wife with stage 4 cancer with a suppressed immune system.
I also work daily on the front lines so I speak from experience. I see people who have covid with no symptoms. I see people who have severe symptoms and pass away. I also see people who recover and will have lasting neurological symptoms or heart & lung issues. People who have some pre existing issues are at a huge risk, especially from people like you who continue to look at this as “paranoia”.
It’s real, it needs to be contained, and with flu season around the corner deaths will rise significantly.
And just so you know, wherever you go, whatever you do, if the person next to you has not been careful, they could be infecting you. Even in your local ER waiiting room. I sincerely hope you change your way of thinking.

you will have to include me as part of the problem, too, i suppose. i know there are people that are high risk,-but it can play both ways: how selfish to ask the world to shut down on account of them? why not just protect the high risk? would it make too much sense? sometimes you just need to unplug, turn-off the media & live your life the best you can, without fear of 1 kind or another.

[gregcharlesnelson@gmail]

Watching pool volleyball makes me wonder....no distancing

[Travelhunter]

In your defense, everyone is reading this wrong, The golf courses disinfect and some golfers practice social distancing. But when an employee is diagnosed it is reported to The Villages. Then in turn you would expect the coworkers to be told in case they came in contact with the person. They DO NOT. it is don't ask don't tell. There is no concern for the safety of the rest of the employees. How do I know ? I work for them
That’s just wrong.

[Altavia]

Overall we are doing quite well here. Sumter County has one of the lowest infection rates in the state, even with close to half the positives occuring in correctional facilities.

[Travelhunter]

Contact tracing would take care of the manager. But if I was the person who came down with Covid do you really think I would be asking for permission who to tell? Seriously?
I would like to add in your email the name and tittle of the manager that told you not to tell anyone.

[Travelhunter]

It always amazes me what people expect from The Developer.
As of today there are 1284 confirmed cases in Sumter County. Do any of these people work? Where? Where do they shop? Have they gone out to dinner?
I have a friend who was quarantined because she worked with someone who tested positive. She works at a business on Villages property. SHE doesn't even know who the person was who tested positive! I've been in this store. There is no notice as I walk in that someone who works there tested positive for COVID.
Have you walked into any store that posted they have an employee that tested positive?
Yet you expect The Developer to tell you about all the positive cases in The Villages. :ohdear:
No However I would expect the developer to be transparent and ask the other ambassadors to get tested at a minimum as opposed to management stating don’t tell anyone!

[Travelhunter]

I agree the only important factor is "image". We have ONE news paper, ONE, and yet, you have to do extensive research to find out anything here ! You would think in most communities the number one headline in the news paper would be the current virus stats, but not here ! I was surprised to find that the ambassadors share the same cart; I actually never thought about it, figured they owned those carts themselves but now that I think of it, of course they would be the property of the Villages. Has anyone ever wondered which, if ANY, drugs for the virus are available in this hospital ? Can you request the one that became so controversial after the administration supported it's off label use ? The lack of communication and facts here is stunning. It's a nice community but sometimes I long for a real town with real elected mayor, council, a real newspaper (it there is such a thing any more ?), and where everything is not kept so "secret"..... it just makes for MORE rumor and innuendo... sad situation.

Well said

[Kdurrer44@gmail.com]

Why?

[Emmakrock@yahoo.com]

That must be because you don’t play

[Earlride]

Anyone know of a golf store where the employees wear masks? These tiny little stores where social distancing is impossible don't require their employees to wear masks. My experiences were at Johnny's Birdie Golf on 466 and Golf Central in Brownwood. I consider those stores the most dangerous places I have gone and will not go again.

[billethkid]

I agree the only important factor is "image". We have ONE news paper, ONE, and yet, you have to do extensive research to find out anything here ! You would think in most communities the number one headline in the news paper would be the current virus stats, but not here ! I was surprised to find that the ambassadors share the same cart; I actually never thought about it, figured they owned those carts themselves but now that I think of it, of course they would be the property of the Villages. Has anyone ever wondered which, if ANY, drugs for the virus are available in this hospital ? Can you request the one that became so controversial after the administration supported it's off label use ? The lack of communication and facts here is stunning. It's a nice community but sometimes I long for a real town with real elected mayor, council, a real newspaper (it there is such a thing any more ?), and where everything is not kept so "secret"..... it just makes for MORE rumor and innuendo... sad situation.

Not really.
It is truly what one chooses to make of the situation.
As demonstrated by the above post.

A quiz across a section of people, the same age as TV residents, would yield the same results no matter what community or form of organization.

And unfortunately here in TV far too many have an unrealistic/warped sense of "the developers" involvement or what "the developer" owes them.

[TFordos]

You are exactly right! Golf should have been shut down!! And the squares...there are still people congregating there...this should be stopped immediately!!! All our home values will go down dramatically, due to the actions of stupid, ignorant, people who have a death wish!!!

[jimjamuser]

In your defense, everyone is reading this wrong, The golf courses disinfect and some golfers practice social distancing. But when an employee is diagnosed it is reported to The Villages. Then in turn you would expect the coworkers to be told in case they came in contact with the person. They DO NOT. it is don't ask don't tell. There is no concern for the safety of the rest of the employees. How do I know ? I work for them
Good insider reporting. You should get "whistle blower" protection,......if needed.

[jimjamuser]

I also heard one of the managers came down with COVID. When he wanted to send out an email to the staff to let them know, upper management told him NO. They didn’t want anyone to know.
If true? That would be sick and anti-Christ. Also might be illegal.

[jimjamuser]

So sad for the person that got infected. But we are adults, if I was still working during these times, i do believe I would be taking my own precautions as well as what ever the company had in place or didn’t. We all have access to hand sanitizer, antiseptic wipes etc. before using phone or cart, wipe steering wheel, keys, etc down, if in office, wear a mask and wipe phone off, use my own marker and pencil, etc. I wouldn’t take it for granted that everyone else was careful. Be responsible for your own self. When you go shopping, do you trust that the cart has been wiped down, NO. Do it yourself. It you do pickup for groceries, do you wash your hands after unbanning things in case the person that put everything in your trunk is sick? Pumping gas? Wear disposable gloves or paper towels to handle equipment and my biggest pet peace, the touch screens every where.... gas pumps, check out, ATM, food ordering, .... do you wipe them down? Wash afterwards before you touch your face? Please stop blaming The Villages for everything. We are all in this together but YOU are responsible for you. Please be safe everyone. Condolences to to families of all those infected.
A person could wipe every surface on the planet down and it would NOT matter. CV is primarily spread through AIRBORNE means. The most dangerous places are indoors in a crowded situation with people who are NOT wearing their masks. It spreads 15 times greater INSIDE than outside. Schools are opening now, so 15 days from now we will be flying into the DANGER ZONE. Beware of being inside around school age children. And THIS will go against some people's grain, better to avoid indoor churches to lower risk of CV. Petition for in-car, in-parking lot church services. Yes! It is strange, but NOTHING is normal now and will be for a long time. Adjustments must be made for more people to survive!

[Villagerjjm]

Do not make an assumption that someone else is taking responsibility in sanitizing a common use item such as a pen, shopping cart or touch screen. Do it yourself, that way you are sure to do it to your satisfaction.

[Stu from NYC]

Good insider reporting. You should get "whistle blower" protection,......if needed.

Incredible that they do not make the other employees aware of a positive testing.

Very irresponsible

[blueash]

Incredible that they do not make the other employees aware of a positive testing.

Very irresponsible

This has been repeated several times in this thread. An employer is not responsible for informing any person of an exposure. The positive tested person may or may not have informed the employer. However privacy requires that the name of the person not be publicly reported unless the ill person agrees to such release. Golf course management could say that someone has tested positive but it cannot give enough information that such a person could be ascertained.

The positive result will be reported to the county and contact tracing will be done if the ill person gives the names of his or her contacts. A positive person can also directly notify their friends if they so chose but are not required to do so.

To summarize, an employer may not even know one of their workers tested positive. If they do know they cannot give a name or specific employment information. The employer cannot do contact notification. An employer can be encouraging all its employees to wear masks both indoor and outdoor. An employer can insist on six foot spacing where it is possible especially important indoor. An employer can and should provide materials and directions for routine cleaning although surfaces are not a significant source of Covid spread.

[Medtrans]

Anyone know of a golf store where the employees wear masks? These tiny little stores where social distancing is impossible don't require their employees to wear masks. My experiences were at Johnny's Birdie Golf on 466 and Golf Central in Brownwood. I consider those stores the most dangerous places I have gone and will not go again.

I agree about Golf Central. The only people in the store with masks on were the customers. It’s not that big of a store. Compare that with Rustic Rose where you have to knock on the door to be let in because the store is small and they only let so many in at a time. You must wear a mask and the staff does too. Golf Central is not as small as that store but the staff should be wearing a mask IMHO. Until then, I will stay away.

[Stu from NYC]

This has been repeated several times in this thread. An employer is not responsible for informing any person of an exposure. The positive tested person may or may not have informed the employer. However privacy requires that the name of the person not be publicly reported unless the ill person agrees to such release. Golf course management could say that someone has tested positive but it cannot give enough information that such a person could be ascertained.

The positive result will be reported to the county and contact tracing will be done if the ill person gives the names of his or her contacts. A positive person can also directly notify their friends if they so chose but are not required to do so.

To summarize, an employer may not even know one of their workers tested positive. If they do know they cannot give a name or specific employment information. The employer cannot do contact notification. An employer can be encouraging all its employees to wear masks both indoor and outdoor. An employer can insist on six foot spacing where it is possible especially important indoor. An employer can and should provide materials and directions for routine cleaning although surfaces are not a significant source of Covid spread.

If I worked somewhere and one of my coworkers tested positive I would not be a happy camper if they did not inform us of this fact.

[billethkid]

So unless announced by management are we to assume no one will ever find out??

It will become known just as quickly...

[BamaBoy451]

Exactly what Bogie Shooter said...what exactly should be published? How do we know the circumstances around this man's illness and death? How and where did he contract it? More importantly, if the employer knew he was positive, THEN they should have immediately responded by removing him from the workplace?! But, I'm quite certain they didn't know. To publish something like this would only cause hysteria, and lead to many questions(like I just asked).

As for the practices at the golf courses, I know first hand, that every reasonable step is taken to clean, sanitize, and distance ourselves. Like every other human event, not everyone does everything, like they're supposed to. But it's still very reasonable. I, too, recently resigned due to Covid. But it wasn't for fear of contracting. It was that the job was no longer enjoyable for me. I totally enjoyed being an Ambassador, and interacting with the people. When they took away the water jugs, then our water jugs, then the rakes, then asked us not to touch sand bottles. I was left with driving by(at a distance), and waving, while people were sweltering in the heat. I hope to go back, when things settle. Be safe, and let's pray this subsides and we get a vaccine.

I've always carried my own cold refreshments,snacks, and cold hand towels with me. I believe they are taking the same course of action as any courses outside the bubble in regard to Covid. You can go to any extreme but it's impossible to sanitize the world.

[BamaBoy451]

Why shut down golf. The players never touch anything but their own cart, ball, club.

I think you'll find many of the shutdown golf complaints come from ones who had their inside activities such as cards, socials, and other games cancelled and feel it's unfair that outdoor activities are not. I guess i would cry foul too.:duck:

[Stu from NYC]

So unless announced by management are we to assume no one will ever find out??

It will become known just as quickly...

The problem is it might or might not be known by their coworkers or other people who have come in contact with the positive one.

Who knows how many could become infected as a result.

[BamaBoy451]

Anyone know of a golf store where the employees wear masks? These tiny little stores where social distancing is impossible don't require their employees to wear masks. My experiences were at Johnny's Birdie Golf on 466 and Golf Central in Brownwood. I consider those stores the most dangerous places I have gone and will not go again.

In all honesty I guit going in local pro shops in or out the bubble before Covid hit. Finding I can get basically anything I need at almost one fourth the cost on line. :ohdear:

[Finchs]

Why?
Why do you think golf should be closed??? It is played outside, where you are safest. We golf with our spouses (no 6 foot rule needed there) and with our best friends with whom we have quarantine confidence and we dine together, too, with them--no 6-foot rule needed outside with them, either. The only reason to cut off the golfing here in The Villages is if noone wants to golf. And that is not very likely. If you think it is unsafe, by all means you stay indoors and do what you think is best for you. Don't presume to know what is safe for me--that is my job.

[Mumbles]

Wow what a ridiculous post. People die from a lot of things including the flu and other viral and bacterial infections. Covid is not a death sentence. It is not a stage four cancer diagnosis. It is 99% survivable the same as the flu. Yes people are going to die from it just like they do a lot of other things. Could we please stop totally overreacting to this!
The paranoia out there over this virus is just totally ridiculous.

I have to disagree with you based on all the stats that come from the REAL experts on this. We are anticipating having 300,000 (probably inflated) more deaths by year's end. Since we know for absolute certain that most of our influenzas over the past 40 years have an AVERAGE death result of about 50,000 per FULL SEASON, moving from 165,000 today to 300,000 -- in just 4 months-- tells me everything I need to know about the value of self-protection, distancing, and the like.

Nor can one say factually that 99% of those infected survive it. Further, though I can't tell you the numbers of people that will be ill the rest of their lives from having "survived" this virus, I certainly wouldn't want to be one of them, and I strongly suspect you and I would agree completely about that.

This IS an extremely dangerous virus. Maybe most of us in The Villages endure incredibly harsh measures to remain untouched, others have not. That some of us are still alive may be a) a function of our protecting ourselves or b) a gift from above.

A couple I have been told about developed the virus not long ago. The husband is in ICU with double pneumonia; the wife is contained in her home. They had lots of friends come to their home without masks, most of them, on a regular basis over the past month or so. Now, those others have insulated themselves in their homes and are not seen out and about. I suspect they are horrified about all this. It would be amazing if nobody else in that group develops the virus. And since they are older people, they are more likely to suffer the ravages of Covid-19 than you or I who are highly protective of ourselves. What do we chalk it up to if some pass on?

So, no, the Covid-19 is not a stage 4 cancer, it is not a burst appendix, it is not a near-fatal car crash. But it IS an influenza to die for.

[Stu from NYC]

I have to disagree with you based on all the stats that come from the REAL experts on this. We are anticipating having 300,000 (probably inflated) more deaths by year's end. Since we know for absolute certain that most of our influenzas over the past 40 years have an AVERAGE death result of about 50,000 per FULL SEASON, moving from 165,000 today to 300,000 -- in just 4 months-- tells me everything I need to know about the value of self-protection, distancing, and the like.

Nor can one say factually that 99% of those infected survive it. Further, though I can't tell you the numbers of people that will be ill the rest of their lives from having "survived" this virus, I certainly wouldn't want to be one of them, and I strongly suspect you and I would agree completely about that.

This IS an extremely dangerous virus. Maybe most of us in The Villages endure incredibly harsh measures to remain untouched, others have not. That some of us are still alive may be a) a function of our protecting ourselves or b) a gift from above.

A couple I have been told about developed the virus not long ago. The husband is in ICU with double pneumonia; the wife is contained in her home. They had lots of friends come to their home without masks, most of them, on a regular basis over the past month or so. Now, those others have insulated themselves in their homes and are not seen out and about. I suspect they are horrified about all this. It would be amazing if nobody else in that group develops the virus. And since they are older people, they are more likely to suffer the ravages of Covid-19 than you or I who are highly protective of ourselves. What do we chalk it up to if some pass on?

So, no, the Covid-19 is not a stage 4 cancer, it is not a burst appendix, it is not a near-fatal car crash. But it IS an influenza to die for.

Very well said

[Velvet]

Wow what a ridiculous post. People die from a lot of things including the flu and other viral and bacterial infections. Covid is not a death sentence. It is not a stage four cancer diagnosis. It is 99% survivable the same as the flu. Yes people are going to die from it just like they do a lot of other things. Could we please stop totally overreacting to this!
The paranoia out there over this virus is just totally ridiculous.

Any media from anywhere in the world will challenge this except maybe from Brazil? Or is this wishful thinking? I also wish this was true, but magical thinking doesn’t make it so unfortunately.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

I've always carried my own cold refreshments,snacks, and cold hand towels with me. I believe they are taking the same course of action as any courses outside the bubble in regard to Covid. You can go to any extreme but it's impossible to sanitize the world.

You took the words right out of my mouth!

[Inexes@aol.com]

Proven facts?
Just because a person working for golf died from the virus does not mean it was contacted while working. Any number of other places. So, how is anybody able to list where the infection occurred?
Picking and choosing your activities has nothing to do with cases. Without contact tracing how would it be determined where the virus was contracted at a rec center or some other activity?
What information would you want published in the Daily Sun?
Your statements make no sense, since there is no logical way to do what you are asking.
Your safety is your responsibility......

Thank you..... I was reading all these posts and getting ready to respond. Intending to state all that you just did. I don't understand how people think, it just makes no sense at all. Anyway, thanks for saving me the time and I could not have said it near as succinctly as you did.

[Stu from NYC]

Thank you..... I was reading all these posts and getting ready to respond. Intending to state all that you just did. I don't understand how people think, it just makes no sense at all. Anyway, thanks for saving me the time and I could not have said it near as succinctly as you did.

I still cannot wrap my head around going to Lake Sumter one friday evening and the outdoor bar at City Fire was a wall of people standing shoulder to shoulder.

[Veiragirl]

everyone is responsible for their own safety...and making their own decisions...your friend did what they felt was right for them

shameful if it actually was 'business as usual'....but i wouldn't immediately jump to that conclusion based on hearsay

and your own safety means wearing a mask. Not for you but by not wearing a mask puts everyone at risk.

[yabbadu]

Well , if you heard it...It must be true!!!!