What About Hacienda?

[Joanne19335]

Rumors are flying about the future of the Hacienda Hills CC property. I overheard a conversation this morning that apartments or condos will be built and a restaurant and pool will replace the old restaurant and pro shop. The most upsetting part of the conversation was that the Palms 9 would be torn out to make room for the condos. This is simply devastating to me (if it is true). Although I don’t live near there, the thought that TV is leaning in this direction upsets me greatly. With all of the sprawl that is taking place down south where there are virtually no amenities whatsoever, how could tearing up the Palms benefit anyone, not to mention the people who bought homes there? What about the impact on home prices throughout The Villages? More apartments will have a negative impact on the rest of us. Does anyone have ANY idea what the developer is planning to do? BTW, condo owners will have all the amenities we homeowners have, including the new pool and restaurant. I also heard that these condos or apartments could be income restricted. Not a good thing at all.

[champion6]

Already lots of discussion here: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/hacienda-hills-now-just-rubble-what-goes-now-309831/

[Topspinmo]

Rumors are flying about the future of the Hacienda Hills CC property. I overheard a conversation this morning that apartments or condos will be built and a restaurant and pool will replace the old restaurant and pro shop. The most upsetting part of the conversation was that the Palms 9 would be torn out to make room for the condos. This is simply devastating to me (if it is true). Although I don’t live near there, the thought that TV is leaning in this direction upsets me greatly. With all of the sprawl that is taking place down south where there are virtually no amenities whatsoever, how could tearing up the Palms benefit anyone, not to mention the people who bought homes there? What about the impact on home prices throughout The Villages? More apartments will have a negative impact on the rest of us. Does anyone have ANY idea what the developer is planning to do? BTW, condo owners will have all the amenities we homeowners have, including the new pool and restaurant. I also heard that these condos or apartments could be income restricted. Not a good thing at all.

What the developers planning on doing? Well IMO quite obvious. Dump bunch of apartments keep the amenities fee’s in already crowded area. They set presidents when he was able to dump lofts on district 13 with full amenities to villages and keep monthly amenities fee’s. It won’t be the end, districts will either have to buy their run down facilities or be face with next Their scheme. He may own the land but he has no control over the district ( yes they do if the have there little yes men in place on committees that represent residents) We will soon see?

[Bilyclub]

What the developers planning on doing? Well IMO quite obvious. Dump bunch of apartments keep the amenities fee’s in already crowded area. They set presidents when he was able to dump lofts on district 13 with full amenities to villages and keep monthly amenities fee’s. It won’t be the end, districts will either have to buy their run down facilities or be face with next Their scheme. He may own the land but he has no control over the district ( yes they do if the have there little yes men in place on committees that represent residents) We will soon see?

Last I heard District 9 was was most likely taking the Lofts at Brownwood. The elected officials of District 9 will regret that when they are up for reelection.

[Topspinmo]

Last I heard District 9 was was most likely taking the Lofts at Brownwood. The elected officials of District 9 will regret that when they are up for reelection.


I couldn’t remember which district? I thought being is was on other side of highway it would be district on that side. I dough they will regret it, they accomplished the developers wishes.

[JoMar]

I couldn’t remember which district? I thought being is was on other side of highway it would be district on that side. I dough they will regret it, they accomplished the developers wishes.

And many of us are glad they did.

[Topspinmo]

And many of us are glad they did.

And manny more are not.

[Don5154]

Rumors are flying about the future of the Hacienda Hills CC property. I overheard a conversation this morning that apartments or condos will be built and a restaurant and pool will replace the old restaurant and pro shop. The most upsetting part of the conversation was that the Palms 9 would be torn out to make room for the condos. This is simply devastating to me (if it is true). Although I don’t live near there, the thought that TV is leaning in this direction upsets me greatly. With all of the sprawl that is taking place down south where there are virtually no amenities whatsoever, how could tearing up the Palms benefit anyone, not to mention the people who bought homes there? What about the impact on home prices throughout The Villages? More apartments will have a negative impact on the rest of us. Does anyone have ANY idea what the developer is planning to do? BTW, condo owners will have all the amenities we homeowners have, including the new pool and restaurant. I also heard that these condos or apartments could be income restricted. Not a good thing at all.

Another he said, she said......if you don’t know facts, don’t post rumors

[Davelinda91]

It’s not a rumor the open hearing is today at 9:00AM. Vote NO to apartments

The AAC will meet at 9 a.m. Wednesday at Savannah Center. The meeting is open to the public.

[john352]

Rumors are flying about the future of the Hacienda Hills CC property. I overheard a conversation this morning that apartments or condos will be built and a restaurant and pool will replace the old restaurant and pro shop. The most upsetting part of the conversation was that the Palms 9 would be torn out to make room for the condos. This is simply devastating to me (if it is true). Although I don’t live near there, the thought that TV is leaning in this direction upsets me greatly. With all of the sprawl that is taking place down south where there are virtually no amenities whatsoever, how could tearing up the Palms benefit anyone, not to mention the people who bought homes there? What about the impact on home prices throughout The Villages? More apartments will have a negative impact on the rest of us. Does anyone have ANY idea what the developer is planning to do? BTW, condo owners will have all the amenities we homeowners have, including the new pool and restaurant. I also heard that these condos or apartments could be income restricted. Not a good thing at all.

This property is in Sumter County and the discussion implies a multi-story apartment building. What role can we expect the incumbent Sumter County Commissioner play is protecting the citizens of Sumter County in the construction of a multi-story apartment building in a exiting residential area?

[john352]

What the developers planning on doing? Well IMO quite obvious. Dump bunch of apartments keep the amenities fee’s in already crowded area. They set presidents when he was able to dump lofts on district 13 with full amenities to villages and keep monthly amenities fee’s. It won’t be the end, districts will either have to buy their run down facilities or be face with next Their scheme. He may own the land but he has no control over the district ( yes they do if the have there little yes men in place on committees that represent residents) We will soon see?
The Hacienda Hills CC prosperity is in Sumter County, and the current discussion implies the construction of a multi-story apartment building.

What role should the Sumter County Commission play in protecting the citizens of Sumter County from the construction of a multi-story apartment building in an existing residential area?

[hardwick2112@yahoo.com]

When are the people in The Villages and those contemplating moving here going to realize the Morse family does not give a hoot about what is best the for the community, only them. Grandfather is rolling in his grave.

[tophcfa]

The Hacienda Hills CC prosperity is in Sumter County, and the current discussion implies the construction of a multi-story apartment building.

What role should the Sumter County Commission play in protecting the citizens of Sumter County from the construction of a multi-story apartment building in an existing residential area?

There is no protection (for existing homeowners) to be had from the current Sumter County Commissioners, they are the developers puppets. We can only hope the Amenity Authority Committee votes to reject granting amenity privileges to the proposed high density rental apartment complex. Without amenity privileges the economics of the apartment complex might change enough to take that plan off the table. Fingers crossed for this mornings vote to protect the existing single family homeowners living in the area!

[daca55]

Sad to hear about all the apartments and condos that are either being built or being considered. What happen to the single family home concept which is why many of us bought here. The Villages is getting to big and projects like this will just add to the crowds and change the life style we have come to enjoy. Hope the vote today is no to apartments.

[davem4616]

Sad to hear about all the apartments and condos that are either being built or being considered. What happen to the single family home concept which is why many of us bought here. The Villages is getting to big and projects like this will just add to the crowds and change the life style we have come to enjoy. Hope the vote today is no to apartments.


guess we'll all just have to take a wait and see attitude on how these apartments impact the quality of life

there will come a point where the circus becomes too big for the tent

[Shetzy]

400 plus people trying to get into classes at fewer Rec Centers. 400 plus cars on Morse Blvd. 400 plus people at the Squares.
But wait! We get ONE new restaurant (where THEY make money) and ONE walking path! WOW! WHAT A DEAL!

[tophcfa]

400 plus people trying to get into classes at fewer Rec Centers. 400 plus cars on Morse Blvd. 400 plus people at the Squares.
But wait! We get ONE new restaurant (where THEY make money) and ONE walking path! WOW! WHAT A DEAL!

Let’s not forget about trying to get a lane to swim laps in a sports pool or a t-time at an executive course during the winter. And there is already a nice walking trail in the area that goes from near the Del Mar gate to the Chula Vista recreation center. No thanks to the lame offer, it’s an insult.

[Topspinmo]

The Hacienda Hills CC prosperity is in Sumter County, and the current discussion implies the construction of a multi-story apartment building.

What role should the Sumter County Commission play in protecting the citizens of Sumter County from the construction of a multi-story apartment building in an existing residential area?

Yes sir, build away

[JoeBoroden]

Hey chicken little the sky is falling!

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This is a beautiful place North to South. Enjoy live while you can!

[Dilligas]

Rumors are flying about the future of the Hacienda Hills CC property. I overheard a conversation this morning that apartments or condos will be built and a restaurant and pool will replace the old restaurant and pro shop. The most upsetting part of the conversation was that the Palms 9 would be torn out to make room for the condos. This is simply devastating to me (if it is true). Although I don’t live near there, the thought that TV is leaning in this direction upsets me greatly. With all of the sprawl that is taking place down south where there are virtually no amenities whatsoever, how could tearing up the Palms benefit anyone, not to mention the people who bought homes there? What about the impact on home prices throughout The Villages? More apartments will have a negative impact on the rest of us. Does anyone have ANY idea what the developer is planning to do? BTW, condo owners will have all the amenities we homeowners have, including the new pool and restaurant. I also heard that these condos or apartments could be income restricted. Not a good thing at all.
Your original statement is true.....rumors are flying.....no one knows anything except what the developer has stated in the Daily Sun (and that's very little). So sit back and wait for the facts.

[bobnyce]

This is just one example of how things have negatively changed. I think you will find the "quality of life", within the Villages has changed for the worse and will continue. Not only due to size but the age of our community is getting much younger. Cars are driving faster and there is less respect for the peace and quiet we all thought we were getting.

If you live north of 466 when was the last time you saw a golf cart driver or automobile driver actually get a speeding ticket. Used to be residents feared a ticket for speeding especially in their golf cart. I have paced golf carts on Rio Grande Ave and Morse Blvd going at least 30 MPH more than I care to remember.

So, yes the Developer is part of the problem with not keeping promises made - but with only select enforcement of any rules this is what we get. The Developer does whatever he wants and his puppets in office rubber stamp the process.

If anyone still believes the taxpayers of Sumter County did not get a 25% tax increase last year I have a bridge for sale. All it took was willing commissioners to keep impact fees extremely low and pass on the Developer's cost, that should have been paid in impact fees, to the taxpayers of Sumter County.

My suggestion to the new Sumter County Commissioners, raise impact fees to cover the full cost of the 170 million bond issue and have the Developer pay it on every one of the 60,000 new houses he sells at about $2,800/per house. What a message that would send to all of us.

[iht2209]

We need to hold the representative in the districts accountable to the residents..... a good way to send the message is to un-elect the 3 commissioners

[iht2209]

We need more people like you. Most roll over and let it happen.
I own a home on Madero Dr. the traffic maintains 35 mph. I complained and their response was a radar sign. Horrible response. Car pass carts on curves. One of our residents was just killed on the street. Their response was to put a empty police car on Morse. REALLY. Now we are threaten with condos being built in back of us. I have put significant amount of money in my property only to lose $100k off the top.

[bagboy]

When are the people in The Villages and those contemplating moving here going to realize the Morse family does not give a hoot about what is best the for the community, only them. Grandfather is rolling in his grave.

Grandfather was cremated, fyi.

[iht2209]

Can’t get much worse than it already is...

[rmd2]

We need to hold the representative in the districts to me accountable to the residents..... a good way to send the message is with the re-elections of the three comishs

I hope you mean the replacement of the three who voted for a 25% increase in our taxes. Please vote for Estep, Miller and Search to replace the incumbents.

[Indydealmaker]

It’s not a rumor the open hearing is today at 9:00AM. Vote NO to apartments

The AAC will meet at 9 a.m. Wednesday at Savannah Center. The meeting is open to the public.

If you want to vote "no", that is your right. However, do so based upon facts, not rumors and innuendo.

[iht2209]

Already did....������

[Joe Sacco]

50 Apartments X $150 = $7500 per month, not a reason for such an investment.

[iht2209]

Sorry for the mis quote earlier... your exactly right

[starflyte1]

50 Apartments X $150 = $7500 per month, not a reason for such an investment.
It is more like close to 300 units, per meeting this morning.

[UpNorth]

Grandfather was cremated, fyi.

Ok then. Spinning in his jar?:icon_wink:

[perrjojo]

One question I have is ...the Developer is asking for 300 amenities for the apartment residents. Does that mean 300 people or for 300 apartments. If it is for 300 apartments that could be a lot of people. Also the development on 466 has 300 hundred apartments and that takes up A LOT of space.

[perrjojo]

50 Apartments X $150 = $7500 per month, not a reason for such an investment.
My understanding is that it is 300x150 which equals $540,000 year and could mean 600 or more people using the amenities.

[Two Bills]

Looks like a done deal. 286-unit apartments.
4-1 vote in favor from AAC commitee.
The other place has details.

[graciegirl]

Been here for fourteen years, anyhow....a long time. And I keep reading omg, oh heavens, oh good night shirt that danged developer is planning another awful thing.......and guess what???

It always turns out good.

[iht2209]

There’s no way taking away a Country Club and replacing it with a apartment complex turns out to be good. Very disheartening how 4 elected representatives vote in its favor without at least taking the time to hearing from the people they represent is a sham. Unbelievable

[starflyte1]

Been here for fourteen years, anyhow....a long time. And I keep reading omg, oh heavens, oh good night shirt that danged developer is planning another awful thing.......and guess what???

It always turns out good.

If they build 286 apartments on the Hacienda property it is NOT right. If you paid a premium price to have a home on a golf course with a country club atmosphere and then the developer built 286 apartment units in your view and in your back yard, would you really think it is beautiful?

This should not be allowed to happen.

[perrjojo]

Been here for fourteen years, anyhow....a long time. And I keep reading omg, oh heavens, oh good night shirt that danged developer is planning another awful thing.......and guess what???

It always turns out good.
Those who paid premiums for view lots may not agree with you. Yes, most things turn out good but I’m not so sure about this one.

[Buckeye Bob]

I don't understand how the developer has the right to keep the amenity fees. The developer does not own the amenities; the districts own them. This is a slap in the face to every Villager paying amenity fees. ������������

[Stu from NYC]

I don't understand how the developer has the right to keep the amenity fees. The developer does not own the amenities; the districts own them. This is a slap in the face to every Villager paying amenity fees. ������������

Unless the developer builds more amenities how does he have the right to keep them?

[vagent711]

Rumors are flying about the future of the Hacienda Hills CC property. I overheard a conversation this morning that apartments or condos will be built and a restaurant and pool will replace the old restaurant and pro shop. The most upsetting part of the conversation was that the Palms 9 would be torn out to make room for the condos. This is simply devastating to me (if it is true). Although I don’t live near there, the thought that TV is leaning in this direction upsets me greatly. With all of the sprawl that is taking place down south where there are virtually no amenities whatsoever, how could tearing up the Palms benefit anyone, not to mention the people who bought homes there? What about the impact on home prices throughout The Villages? More apartments will have a negative impact on the rest of us. Does anyone have ANY idea what the developer is planning to do? BTW, condo owners will have all the amenities we homeowners have, including the new pool and restaurant. I also heard that these condos or apartments could be income restricted. Not a good thing at all.

The developer is proposing to build 286 apts on the site. They are going to put in walking trails, pickle ball & tennis courts and a resort style pool. They have also indicated that they will put in a restaurant. The developer has a specific number of unassigned amenity fees of which they will use 286, one for each apt. The developer will collect the fees and pay back $14.00 per month for community watch and other services. The developer will maintain the apartments and the pool, trails, etc. there will be no expense to the AAC or the district for the maintenance and upkeep.
Under this plan ALL residents of the villages will have access to all the amenities offered by the apartments and the residents there will have access to all the villages amenities.
I have not heard any mention of taking down the palms nine hole golf course so I have no idea if that is in the plan or just a rumor

[npwalters]

The developer is proposing to build 286 apts on the site. They are going to put in walking trails, pickle ball & tennis courts and a resort style pool. They have also indicated that they will put in a restaurant. The developer has a specific number of unassigned amenity fees of which they will use 286, one for each apt. The developer will collect the fees and pay back $14.00 per month for community watch and other services. The developer will maintain the apartments and the pool, trails, etc. there will be no expense to the AAC or the district for the maintenance and upkeep.
Under this plan ALL residents of the villages will have access to all the amenities offered by the apartments and the residents there will have access to all the villages amenities.
I have not heard any mention of taking down the palms nine hole golf course so I have no idea if that is in the plan or just a rumor

I really don't understand why "Under this plan ALL residents of the villages will have access to all the amenities offered by the apartments and the residents there will have access to all the villages amenities." is a good or worthwhile thing to the existing Villages residents. We already HAVE those amenities at many other locations and I am quite sure the new apartment dwellers will use more of the existing amenities than we will use the new pool. No way ruining that location with apartments equates to access to another pool and pickleball court. Too bad the amenity board sold us out. I, for one, will not forget.

[bob47]

I really don't understand why "Under this plan ALL residents of the villages will have access to all the amenities offered by the apartments and the residents there will have access to all the villages amenities." is a good or worthwhile thing to the existing Villages residents. We already HAVE those amenities at many other locations and I am quite sure the new apartment dwellers will use more of the existing amenities than we will use the new pool. No way ruining that location with apartments equates to access to another pool and pickleball court. Too bad the amenity board sold us out. I, for one, will not forget.

Maybe somebody who always apologizes for the developer can explain how it's fair that we all pay $150+ per month to use all the amenities, and the residents of this development will be contributing $14 per month to use all the amenities.

Don Deakin is the only AAC member who thinks things through and is a true fiduciary for the folks he represents.

[tophcfa]

Maybe somebody who always apologizes for the developer can explain how it's fair that we all pay $150+ per month to use all the amenities, and the residents of this development will be contributing $14 per month to use all the amenities.

Don Deakin is the only AAC member who thinks things through and is a true fiduciary for the folks he represents.

Totally agree, I already sent Don a thank you e-mail for being the only one with the stones to say no to the developer and actually do his job of representing the best interest of existing amenity fee paying homeowners. It's not like that will do any good reversing the monstrosity in the works at Hacienda, but thanks Don. To the rest of the AAC members, really, UFB!

[golf47guy]

Time to look at other 55 and older communities!!!

[Indydealmaker]

I don't understand how the developer has the right to keep the amenity fees. The developer does not own the amenities; the districts own them. This is a slap in the face to every Villager paying amenity fees. ������������
The Developer has a contract providing him the amenity fees in exchange for signing over certain properties to The Villages.

[Indydealmaker]

Maybe somebody who always apologizes for the developer can explain how it's fair that we all pay $150+ per month to use all the amenities, and the residents of this development will be contributing $14 per month to use all the amenities.

Don Deakin is the only AAC member who thinks things through and is a true fiduciary for the folks he represents.

Each apartment WILL be paying amenities fees just like yours. The developer is reimbursing $14 to The Villages for certain services, not amenities.

[Topspinmo]

We need to hold the representative in the districts accountable to the residents..... a good way to send the message is to un-elect the 3 commissioners

Wasting you’re time with 4 of the yes men and woman

[Topspinmo]

Each apartment WILL be paying amenities fees just like yours. The developer is reimbursing $14 to The Villages for certain services, not amenities.


They will be paying amenities fees to the developers not the district.

[Topspinmo]

Time to look at other 55 and older communities!!!

I wonder where apartment complex will go around sumpter landing? Lets where is the nearest championship golf course?

[Indydealmaker]

They will be paying amenities fees to the developers not the district.

The District is not contractually entitled to receive any of the amenities fees. What is your point?

[John41]

If they are 55+ , not too high and condos I think they might be an asset to the community as many in the North are getting older. It’s worrisome for those on championship courses if they don’t carry their freight.

[nn0wheremann]

There is no protection (for existing homeowners) to be had from the current Sumter County Commissioners, they are the developers puppets. We can only hope the Amenity Authority Committee votes to reject granting amenity privileges to the proposed high density rental apartment complex. Without amenity privileges the economics of the apartment complex might change enough to take that plan off the table. Fingers crossed for this mornings vote to protect the existing single family homeowners living in the area!
And, what about the additional traffic on Morse Blvd from high density housing? In high season it already is quite the challenge to traverse the Morse- ElCamino-Paige roundabout. I imagine the snarl at the Morse-466 gate, and the cart path crossing just above there will be a suicide run

[NoMoSno]

And, what about the additional traffic on Morse Blvd from high density housing? In high season it already is quite the challenge to traverse the Morse- ElCamino-Paige roundabout. I imagine the snarl at the Morse-466 gate, and the cart path crossing just above there will be a suicide run
Also golf carts trying to go around that roundabout will be a dangerous challenge.