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New Englander
08-12-2020, 10:22 PM
If this article is accurate and the virus doesn't die in freezing temps. Pray a vaccine is discovered soon.

Coronavirus found on frozen seafood in China (https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-found-frozen-seafood-china-094332518.html)

tvbound
08-12-2020, 10:28 PM
Say it ain't so. That's definitely not a good thing and more than a little concerning.

Two Bills
08-13-2020, 03:42 AM
Covid 19 Survives Freezing temperatures?

So do humans if they take care of themselves.

Monty Python - Always Look on the Bright Side of Life - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=jHPOzQzk9Qo)

blueash
08-13-2020, 06:54 AM
As viruses are not really alive you shouldn't be surprised that they are not inactivated by freezing. In fact viral samples are often froze (https://www.who.int/influenza/gisrs_laboratory/logistic_activities/transport_storage_specimens_isolates/en/#:~:text=If%20specimens%20are%20transported%20to,f rozen%20at%20%E2%80%9320%20%C2%B0C.)n for storage. Live viral vaccines such as the MMR, ChickenPox, and oral Polio are all shipped frozen and must be stored at the doctor's office in a medical freezer to preserve their infectivity. RNA viruses are often stored at minus 80 Celsius. [-112 F]

Dana1963
08-13-2020, 05:00 PM
Virus’ are very resilient and change we may develop virals to help slow the spread HIV is still around it is not over yet.

Velvet
08-13-2020, 07:45 PM
Another reason why I still wash/disinfect anything and everything that comes in the house. Hubby continues to be just as vulnerable as before.

GoodLife
08-13-2020, 07:53 PM
If this article is accurate and the virus doesn't die in freezing temps. Pray a vaccine is discovered soon.

Coronavirus found on frozen seafood in China (https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-found-frozen-seafood-china-094332518.html)

Big whoop. It was found on the packaging. If you tested every package surface at your local Publix or Walmart they could probably find some coronavirus on that as well. If it is on the food itself, CDC states there is no evidence that this vector has infected anyone.

Wash your hands after shopping. Wash packages too if you want.

tophcfa
08-13-2020, 08:45 PM
As viruses are not really alive you shouldn't be surprised that they are not inactivated by freezing. In fact viral samples are often froze (https://www.who.int/influenza/gisrs_laboratory/logistic_activities/transport_storage_specimens_isolates/en/#:~:text=If%20specimens%20are%20transported%20to,f rozen%20at%20%E2%80%9320%20%C2%B0C.)n for storage. Live viral vaccines such as the MMR, ChickenPox, and oral Polio are all shipped frozen and must be stored at the doctor's office in a medical freezer to preserve their infectivity. RNA viruses are often stored at minus 80 Celsius. [-112 F]

So, I am not saying that viruses are not really alive as you claim. But answer me this, how does hand sanitizer supposedly kill the virus that has invaded your hands from touching a contaminated surface? If the virus is not alive, how is it killed?

Velvet
08-13-2020, 08:59 PM
Problem about washing hands, can’t guarantee that we will always remember to wash after touching something, getting blueberries out of fridge etc.
As far as CDC ... there is a small chance... I’m trying to bring the probability closer to zero. It’s not much problem to disinfect and now it’s a habit.

gadaboutgal
08-13-2020, 09:24 PM
So, I am not saying that viruses are not really alive as you claim. But answer me this, how does hand sanitizer supposedly kill the virus that has invaded your hands from touching a contaminated surface? If the virus is not alive, how is it killed?
The virus is not "alive" and so it is not killed, it can be deactivated with alcohol or by washing with soap and clean water.
The virus is covered with a fatty envelope that allows it to attach to surfaces. The“Soap molecules can pry themselves into the fatty layer of this particular virus and break it up, thus inactivating the virus.” for more specifics, see:Coronavirus: Why soap works better than hand sanitizer - UCHealth Today (https://www.uchealth.org/today/why-soap-and-water-work-better-than-hand-sanitizer-to-remove-the-coronavirus/)

tophcfa
08-13-2020, 09:42 PM
The virus is not "alive" and so it is not killed, it can be deactivated with alcohol or by washing with soap and clean water.
The virus is covered with a fatty envelope that allows it to attach to surfaces. The“Soap molecules can pry themselves into the fatty layer of this particular virus and break it up, thus inactivating the virus.” for more specifics, see:Coronavirus: Why soap works better than hand sanitizer - UCHealth Today (https://www.uchealth.org/today/why-soap-and-water-work-better-than-hand-sanitizer-to-remove-the-coronavirus/)

Thanks for the informative response. I am still not sure if there is a need to make a difference between killing and deactivating the virus. As long as the nasty stuff is put into a state where it can not be infectious I guess one can use whatever term makes them feel good?

villageuser
08-14-2020, 05:41 AM
If this article is accurate and the virus doesn't die in freezing temps. Pray a vaccine is discovered soon.

Coronavirus found on frozen seafood in China (https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-found-frozen-seafood-china-094332518.html)

That is nothing new. I’ve read from the beginning of this pandemic to clean your food before putting in refrigerator or freezer because it has been shown that the virus does not die (or you can say the virus continues to be present if you want to be technical) when chilled or frozen. Which is why even though they tell us now that surfaces is not the usual route for the virus, I continue to clean all my foods, especially if going into the freezer. “Not usual route” does not mean impossible.

tsmall22204
08-14-2020, 06:04 AM
You worry about surface contamination and walk around with no mask. You question hand sanitizer and you walk around with no mask. REALLY!!!!

Leadbone1
08-14-2020, 06:08 AM
If this article is accurate and the virus doesn't die in freezing temps. Pray a vaccine is discovered soon.

Coronavirus found on frozen seafood in China (https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-found-frozen-seafood-china-094332518.html)

We don’t pray about the common cold or the flu so why would I pray about this? 95% of the people that get this it don’t know they have it or have mild symptoms. It’s 99% plus survivable the same as the flu. The media has done a great job of turning many otherwise intelligent people into paranoid idiots

algi45
08-14-2020, 06:22 AM
Th alcohol denatures (destroys) the virus chemically.

Dana1963
08-14-2020, 06:36 AM
Virus’s go into a Huber nation stage just like honey it can last and be edible after hundreds of years.

theruizs
08-14-2020, 07:14 AM
Thanks for the informative response. I am still not sure if there is a need to make a difference between killing and deactivating the virus. As long as the nasty stuff is put into a state where it can not be infectious I guess one can use whatever term makes them feel good?

The distinction is irrelevant. Not even all biologists agree on it. It only matters to the “experts” on this list who like to display their “intelligence.”

donassaid
08-14-2020, 07:19 AM
Quit waiting on a vaccine and petition our government to release the 63 million doses of hydroxochloroquine. This drug (much maligned by so called researchers and those beholden to big Pharma and Bill Gates) has been proven effective by doctors all over the country, especially for prevention and early onset treatment. Available over the counter around the world but forbidden in the U.S.A. Go figure.

Scorpyo
08-14-2020, 07:31 AM
I am neither a doctor nor a scientist so I’ll relate what I’ve heard in layman’s terms. I’ve heard that infectious things like viruses can last inactively in frozen ice indefinitely. Yes, thousands of years or longer. When defrosted they can become active. That is why some are concerned about glaciers melting. They don’t know what they may contain from long ago. Others are concerned about what we may release from places like the rain forest as we continue to move deeper into it. The fact is, although we think we’re hot stuff, we’re just another species on this earth and there probably is stuff we cannot even see that’s deadlier than Ebola. So in my opinion we should try to live life to its fullest and enjoy it as much as we can as we don’t know what tomorrow brings.

Eg_cruz
08-14-2020, 07:34 AM
If this article is accurate and the virus doesn't die in freezing temps. Pray a vaccine is discovered soon.

Coronavirus found on frozen seafood in China (https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-found-frozen-seafood-china-094332518.html)
Put in such high hopes for a vaccine that’s going to save us all it’s just a little over reach, we’ve had the flu vaccine and flu shots for years and years and years and it doesn’t stop or prevent the flu.

GaryKoca
08-14-2020, 07:39 AM
We know that the theory that "the virus can't live above 77 degrees" is obviously a myth. Still lots of cases in the Southern states especially.

kendi
08-14-2020, 08:05 AM
Just take the proper precautions and don’t worry about it.

Byte1
08-14-2020, 08:53 AM
Oh my goodness! The sky is falling again.
There must be a new virus out today that removes common sense from seniors.

Since the virus survives cold temperatures, perhaps I can kill it by wearing heated gloves? Hmmm, have to check to see at what temperature the virus dies. :1rotfl:

OhioBuckeye
08-14-2020, 09:10 AM
If any of us really knew the answer. We could wash our hands for a half hr. or use a whole bottle of sanitizer then 5 sec. later touch something that’s contaminated. Then what? Are we never to touch anything. Or wear gloves then as soon as we touch something change them again. But as long as we don’t listen about social distancing like the protesters this virus will probably continue, because there’s always a know it all out there that think they know everything or they think they’re some kind of Dr. I pretty much do what they says, but are they right, heck I don’t know but so far I seem healthy but who knows!

Scorpyo
08-14-2020, 09:29 AM
If any of us really knew the answer. We could wash our hands for a half hr. or use a whole bottle of sanitizer then 5 sec. later touch something that’s contaminated. Then what? Are we never to touch anything. Or wear gloves then as soon as we touch something change them again. But as long as we don’t listen about social distancing like the protesters this virus will probably continue, because there’s always a know it all out there that think they know everything or they think they’re some kind of Dr. I pretty much do what they says, but are they right, heck I don’t know but so far I seem healthy but who knows!
When my son was very young he had a problem in school. The teacher informed us that he would not respond to her. I talked to my son about it and asked him why he wouldn’t respond. He finally disclosed that he wouldn’t respond to her questions because he didn’t know the answer. I taught him that responding by “I don’t know the answer” was the answer. I don’t know where I got that bright response from. Guess I was just lucky. Anyway, like you I don’t have any of the answers to this virus but I am a know-it-all. When asked will a vaccine be available? I answer “I don’t know”. When asked if a mask good or bad for you? I answer, “I don’t know”. So, I’m a know-it-all in that I’m positive that I don’t know anything about this virus and am man enough to admit it. I know that I don’t know. How’s that for logic.

jimjamuser
08-14-2020, 10:58 AM
As viruses are not really alive you shouldn't be surprised that they are not inactivated by freezing. In fact viral samples are often froze (https://www.who.int/influenza/gisrs_laboratory/logistic_activities/transport_storage_specimens_isolates/en/#:~:text=If%20specimens%20are%20transported%20to,f rozen%20at%20%E2%80%9320%20%C2%B0C.)n for storage. Live viral vaccines such as the MMR, ChickenPox, and oral Polio are all shipped frozen and must be stored at the doctor's office in a medical freezer to preserve their infectivity. RNA viruses are often stored at minus 80 Celsius. [-112 F]
Thanks for your expertise.

jimjamuser
08-14-2020, 11:06 AM
The virus is not "alive" and so it is not killed, it can be deactivated with alcohol or by washing with soap and clean water.
The virus is covered with a fatty envelope that allows it to attach to surfaces. The“Soap molecules can pry themselves into the fatty layer of this particular virus and break it up, thus inactivating the virus.” for more specifics, see:Coronavirus: Why soap works better than hand sanitizer - UCHealth Today (https://www.uchealth.org/today/why-soap-and-water-work-better-than-hand-sanitizer-to-remove-the-coronavirus/)
That is one very informative link!

jimjamuser
08-14-2020, 11:30 AM
We don’t pray about the common cold or the flu so why would I pray about this? 95% of the people that get this it don’t know they have it or have mild symptoms. It’s 99% plus survivable the same as the flu. The media has done a great job of turning many otherwise intelligent people into paranoid idiots
The US media does NOT control the governments of Europe, Australia, and other nations. So, ask yourself WHY ? do they NOT want US citizens traveling to their countries? Please pay attention to what IS happening in the world - for my and all of our sakes!!!

jimjamuser
08-14-2020, 11:40 AM
I am neither a doctor nor a scientist so I’ll relate what I’ve heard in layman’s terms. I’ve heard that infectious things like viruses can last inactively in frozen ice indefinitely. Yes, thousands of years or longer. When defrosted they can become active. That is why some are concerned about glaciers melting. They don’t know what they may contain from long ago. Others are concerned about what we may release from places like the rain forest as we continue to move deeper into it. The fact is, although we think we’re hot stuff, we’re just another species on this earth and there probably is stuff we cannot even see that’s deadlier than Ebola. So in my opinion we should try to live life to its fullest and enjoy it as much as we can as we don’t know what tomorrow brings.
Kudos for philosophical and big picture thinking.

jimjamuser
08-14-2020, 11:54 AM
When my son was very young he had a problem in school. The teacher informed us that he would not respond to her. I talked to my son about it and asked him why he wouldn’t respond. He finally disclosed that he wouldn’t respond to her questions because he didn’t know the answer. I taught him that responding by “I don’t know the answer” was the answer. I don’t know where I got that bright response from. Guess I was just lucky. Anyway, like you I don’t have any of the answers to this virus but I am a know-it-all. When asked will a vaccine be available? I answer “I don’t know”. When asked if a mask good or bad for you? I answer, “I don’t know”. So, I’m a know-it-all in that I’m positive that I don’t know anything about this virus and am man enough to admit it. I know that I don’t know. How’s that for logic.
In a transparent society you can know what you don't know. That is not true in all societies. Truths can be hidden.

OhioBuckeye
08-15-2020, 10:31 AM
When my son was very young he had a problem in school. The teacher informed us that he would not respond to her. I talked to my son about it and asked him why he wouldn’t respond. He finally disclosed that he wouldn’t respond to her questions because he didn’t know the answer. I taught him that responding by “I don’t know the answer” was the answer. I don’t know where I got that bright response from. Guess I was just lucky. Anyway, like you I don’t have any of the answers to this virus but I am a know-it-all. When asked will a vaccine be available? I answer “I don’t know”. When asked if a mask good or bad for you? I answer, “I don’t know”. So, I’m a know-it-all in that I’m positive that I don’t know anything about this virus and am man enough to admit it. I know that I don’t know. How’s that for logic.

Great answer! So is all of this a virus to keep us in line or is this something the govt. has drummed up because they’re trying to buy time? I DON’T KNOW! You hit the nail on the head with your comment!