More Accurate

[PennBF]

Is it more accurate to change the term of "Developer" to "Owner"?:popcorn:

[Aces4]

Is it more accurate to change the term of "Developer" to "Owner"?:popcorn:

Most accurate would be plural, developers or owners. This entity is now owned by more than one person.

Perhaps Morse Clan would be fitting...

[Aces4]

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[Pricey]

It's semantics, of course. Choosing 'developer or 'owner' to describe a relationship to a property is a matter of what you want to convey.

"Developer" indicates an intent to improve or convert a property, and the means to achieve the goal; 'developers' may be persuaded to integrate a change in the property so it blends well with a community.

Conversely, "owner" would not indicate any particular activity intended for a property, and it may convey an inability on the part of others to compel or persuade the 'owner' to any specific end result.

Also, a designation of 'developer' may indicate a short-term ownership status, or not, while an 'owner' carries no implicit obligation to sell, improve, or do any particular thing with a property. However, zoning laws may require a specific use for a property, such as commercial or residential. Any property owner would have to comply with the zoning use, including developing (themselves or through a separate development entity) the property for the required use.

[JGVillages]

It's semantics, of course. Choosing 'developer or 'owner' to describe a relationship to a property is a matter of what you want to convey.

"Developer" indicates an intent to improve or convert a property, and the means to achieve the goal; 'developers' may be persuaded to integrate a change in the property so it blends well with a community.

Conversely, "owner" would not indicate any particular activity intended for a property, and it may convey an inability on the part of others to compel or persuade the 'owner' to any specific end result.

Also, a designation of 'developer' may indicate a short-term ownership status, or not, while an 'owner' carries no implicit obligation to sell, improve, or do any particular thing with a property. However, zoning laws may require a specific use for a property, such as commercial or residential. Any property owner would have to comply with the zoning use, including developing (themselves or through a separate development entity) the property for the required use.

Too much to absorb! How about the Morse’s.

[retiredguy123]

Is it more accurate to change the term of "Developer" to "Owner"?:popcorn:
I think "developer" is more accurate and much more descriptive. The Villages property is being developed, improved, and managed, not just being owned. Almost all property is owned by someone.

[jacksonbrown]

How about oligarchy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy)?

To paraphrase from above...

"The Villages has also been described as an oligarchy because economic elites and organized groups representing special interests have substantial impacts on policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence."

[Pricey]

Too much to absorb! How about the Morse’s.
Ha! Noted!

[Two Bills]

Too much to absorb! How about the Morse’s.

Even the Morris's!:icon_wink:

[EdFNJ]

How about oligarchy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy)?

To paraphrase from above...

"The Villages has also been described as an oligarchy because economic elites and organized groups representing special interests have substantial impacts on policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence." Sounds like something else I read about all the time ...... :icon_wink:

[Northwoods]

How about oligarchy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy)?

To paraphrase from above...

"The Villages has also been described as an oligarchy because economic elites and organized groups representing special interests have substantial impacts on policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence."

The Developer probably does have substantial impact on policy. Overall, I don't have any complaint on what they've done. They've built a beautiful Charter School to attract workers, built golf courses, rec. centers, pools, dog parks, Wiechens preserve, outdoor exercise equipment, softball centers, archery ranges, etc. They have laid out a vision to build another Charter School, medical facility, etc. I have no issue with their vision.

Or perhaps you'd like policy managed by committee??? Have you seen the random, self-centered, negative demands by some of the villagers?? Maybe you want it to be just like congress.... constant fighting where nothing gets done.

[tophcfa]

As someone owning a home north of 466, I think the term developer is obsolete. Harold Schwartz and Gary Morse developed that area. The current generation of the family might be considered developers south of 44 where new development is actually happening. In the northern sections of the Villages I think the new term should be the dictators.

[Mleeja]

As someone owning a home north of 466, I think the term developer is obsolete. Harold Schwartz and Gary Morse developed that area. The current generation of the family might be considered developers south of 44 where new development is actually happening. In the northern sections of the Villages I think the new term should be the dictators.

The areas north of 466 are “governed” by the CCDs and the AAC. All are elected by the residents. On the AAC the developer has one vote.

[tophcfa]

The areas north of 466 are “governed” by the CCDs and the AAC. All are elected by the residents. On the AAC the developer has one vote.

Yet every vote goes in the favor of the dictators. The only one that did not was the dictators trying to jam the run down Hacienda Hills CC building down the AAC’s throat. How did that work out, the dictators forced an eyesore and amenity clustering rental apartment complex down their throat. Wake up to reality.

[George Page]

I’m sure you’ve all heard, and many of you have said:
“America, love it or leave it”
Well, guess what word to ‘change’ in that sentence.
Call a broker!

[DecaturFargo]

Morse Clan for sure.

[graciegirl]

As someone owning a home north of 466, I think the term developer is obsolete. Harold Schwartz and Gary Morse developed that area. The current generation of the family might be considered developers south of 44 where new development is actually happening. In the northern sections of the Villages I think the new term should be the dictators.

Over the years some have offered the titles of benevolent dictator and well run monarchy. Most of us are grateful it is not run as many committees running home owners association are. Many men and women decide to suddenly become experts on management of large areas when they move here.

In the more than a dozen years since I have lived here I have seen the Morses change or attempt to make better many things as they continue to build. Where cart paths are placed in connection with roadways is greatly improved south of 466 as an example.

Many site other examples as "greedy" such as smaller lots south of 466A. I realize that property prices increase to them as they try to buy significant hunks of it. The smaller lots allow them to offer homes for a price they will sell and yet keep their profit margin, pay their help, planners, workers and subs and make money. There is NO shame in making money and no one holds a gun to anyone's head to buy here.

When we first came here to look, my husband and I expected a hard sell from the Morse organization but the opposite was true. We made an appointment to see homes and we were shown homes for about an hour and then we didn't hear from the salesperson again until we called them. Most people will tell you similar tales. Living here is much desired and no one has to lie to sell houses.

I have been so vocal in my support of the developer that some people think I get kickbacks from the developer. I was told about a conversation that one of my friends heard at a large party where my name was mentioned and it was said the developer gave us our house. We have laughed about that many times.

There are many rumors and opinions that float around and particularly now when so many of us are staying home a lot due to the pandemic. Many on this forum try to correct rumors and try to offer facts and others just make things up.

Caveat; The people who put in our lanai have asked three times to show their finished work to prospective customers and then they give us a gift certificate for allowing them to come look. Same with blinds some years ago. Nothing has come from the Developer for my unsolicited praise. I have seen the Morses in person only at the yearly presentation on the "State of the Villages" at the Sharon.

[oldtimes]

I’m sure you’ve all heard, and many of you have said:
“America, love it or leave it”
Well, guess what word to ‘change’ in that sentence.
Call a broker!

I agree. No one is forced to live here.

[Singerlady]

The Developer = The Morse’s = The Firm = The Family = The Morse Clan = The Clan = The Owners. The names are interchangeable.

[Aces4]

Over the years some have offered the titles of benevolent dictator and well run monarchy. Most of us are grateful it is not run as many committees running home owners association are. Many men and women decide to suddenly become experts on management of large areas when they move here.

In the more than a dozen years since I have lived here I have seen the Morses change or attempt to make better many things as they continue to build. Where cart paths are placed in connection with roadways is greatly improved south of 466 as an example.

Many site other examples as "greedy" such as smaller lots south of 466A. I realize that property prices increase to them as they try to buy significant hunks of it. The smaller lots allow them to offer homes for a price they will sell and yet keep their profit margin, pay their help, planners, workers and subs and make money. There is NO shame in making money and no one holds a gun to anyone's head to buy here.

When we first came here to look, my husband and I expected a hard sell from the Morse organization but the opposite was true. We made an appointment to see homes and we were shown homes for about an hour and then we didn't hear from the salesperson again until we called them. Most people will tell you similar tales. Living here is much desired and no one has to lie to sell houses.

I have been so vocal in my support of the developer that some people think I get kickbacks. I was told about a conversation that one of my friends heard at a large party where my name was mentioned and it was said the developer gave us our house. We have laughed about that many times.

There are many rumors and opinions that float around and particularly now when so many of us are staying home a lot due to the pandemic. Many on this forum try to correct rumors and try to offer facts and others just make things up.

I think it’s difficult for some to have empathy for this situation unless the homes next to their house are torn down and this apartment complex is built next to their home or right across the street. We don’t live near Hacienda or the congested Morse boulevard but I think suggesting those residents who do MUST embrace this high-density, high impact development is unfair.

[Holpat39]

Unfair description of the Morse family. Where else can you live and enjoy so much. Back north a developer comes in, builds the homes and he's gone. Problems arise and you are out of luck trying to get things reconciled.

[John41]

The homes are above average in quality and were affordable when we bought our CYV in 2006. Not so affordable now south of 44. But, don’t thank the developer for fixing things, thank the POA. Many, many examples.

[Mleeja]

I’m sure you’ve all heard, and many of you have said:
“America, love it or leave it”
Well, guess what word to ‘change’ in that sentence.
Call a broker!

:bigbow:

[Marathon Man]

Why people continue to live in a place that makes them angry is just beyond me.

[merrymini]

We bought here because we liked what we saw and continue to do so. But do not expect me to agree with everything they do. I do not think I would be too happy to have apartments built where the country club used to be after I moved there either.

[Aces4]

Why people continue to live in a place that makes them angry is just beyond me.

A wider perspective is that many in that affected area are older than some of us. Moving is not on their bucket list but neighborhood stability is...

[twoplanekid]

In the Daily Sun today(8/16/20) on page A2, I noted in one of the Villages ads where it states "The Villages of Lake-Sumter, Inc ("Developer") is the developer of The Villages".

[dnobles]

If you aren’t happy here there are lots of other places. I have a good lifestyle here, a beautiful home and I never thought retirement would be so good. I don’t care how much money the Morse’s make.

[Topspinmo]

Is it more accurate to change the term of "Developer" to "Owner"?:popcorn:

Clan

[Topspinmo]

Why people continue to live in a place that makes them angry is just beyond me.

Maybe it’s not affected you yet? Don’t bother me as long as not in my backyard. But, how long before it will be?

[Topspinmo]

The areas north of 466 are “governed” by the CCDs and the AAC. All are elected by the residents. On the AAC the developer has one vote.

Not counting the yes people right?