New Tesla supercharger station.

[RARO1]

Looks like Tesla has started building a supercharger station at 116 N. Highway 27/441 right by the Wawa, will have 8 stalls, and it’s a version 3 station so up to 1000 miles per hour of charging rate. Great news for Tesla owners in the villages or those passing through on a road trip.

[Stu from NYC]

Any idea of cost and how long to charge your battery?

[Dana1963]

For travel let’s yes but owners have one for their home.

[RARO1]

Any idea of cost and how long to charge your battery?

Hard to know what the price will be but based on other station in Florida, probably in the low To mid 20 cent per KWh. A model 3 long range model has a 75 kWh battery, typically you would Run it down to about 10-20% and then charge to about 80-90%, as the Last 10% takes considerable longer.

Typically you would add 250 miles of range, that should take about 25 minutes. So figure 10-14 bucks for that kind of charge.

If you have a older Tesla (Older than 2017) you obviously still have free supercharging so it would cost nothing.

[retiredguy123]

Hard to know what the price will be but based on other station in Florida, probably in the low To mid 20 cent per KWh. A model 3 long range model has a 75 kWh battery, typically you would Run it down to about 10-20% and then charge to about 80-90%, as the Last 10% takes considerable longer.

Typically you would add 250 miles of range, that should take about 25 minutes. So figure 10-14 bucks for that kind of charge.

If you have a older Tesla (Older than 2017) you obviously still have free supercharging so it would cost nothing.
So, if they only have 8 stalls and they are all occupied, I assume you could be waiting around for an hour or so? No thanks.

[Stu from NYC]

So, if they only have 8 stalls and they are all occupied, I assume you could be waiting around for an hour or so? No thanks.

Thats the major limiting factor for an electric car especially if driving a long distance.

[RARO1]

Thats the major limiting factor for an electric car especially if driving a long distance.

That was one of my biggest worries before I bought one, it has become a non issue on road trips, I have never had to wait, in fact they are rarely at 50% capacity, once at 50% occupancy you get charged a per minute idling fee after a grace period of 5 min If you are occupying a stall and completed with charging. This ensures people don’t just walk off and use the charger as a parking spot.

Superchargers are really only for road trips or if you want a very fast charge.

Charging at home will obviously be much cheaper and the main place to charge if you own an electric car, I pay about $7 for a full 300 mile charge at home, you would need a gas car that does 85mpg to beat that...

[Stu from NYC]

That was one of my biggest worries before I bought one, it has become a non issue on road trips, I have never had to wait, in fact they are rarely at 50% capacity, once at 50% occupancy you get charged a per minute idling fee after a grace period of 5 min If you are occupying a stall and completed with charging. This ensures people don’t just walk off and use the charger as a parking spot.

Superchargers are really only for road trips or if you want a very fast charge.

Charging at home will obviously be much cheaper and the main place to charge if you own an electric car, I pay about $7 for a full 300 mile charge at home, you would need a gas car that does 85mpg to beat that...

Thanks for info. If traveling say 725 miles to see kids for example that means two stops for fueling. I like to keep moving when traveling a long distance so would not have patience to wait while charging. Would be better while staying here during pandemic and charging at home.

[RARO1]

Thanks for info. If traveling say 725 miles to see kids for example that means two stops for fueling. I like to keep moving when traveling a long distance so would not have patience to wait while charging. Would be better while staying here during pandemic and charging at home.

Yes, You would be adding probably a total of 1.5 hours to you trip. now you could match one of the stop with maybe a stop for lunch and it would end up not being much of a difference.

If your curious you can try planing a trip here and see how much longer if will take and how long the stops are Go Anywhere | Tesla (https://www.tesla.com/trips)

But certainly the longer distance you travel on road trips the more extra time it would take, people who tend to take longer trips might want to consider keeping a gas car in the stable or maybe rent a car, with the saving in gas an practically zero maintenance it not too bad.

[retiredguy123]

My theory is that if they want electric cars to become the norm, they need to design them with standardized removable batteries and provide a service where you can pull into a station and they will exchange the batteries within about 5 minutes. Too many people are not willing to wait around while their car recharges. And, most people don't even have access to a charging station at home. I think that only about 4 percent of the cars on the road are electric. If they cannot reduce the charging time, the industry is doomed to failure.

[Stu from NYC]

My theory is that if they want electric cars to become the norm, they need to design them with standardized removable batteries and provide a service where you can pull into a station and they will exchange the batteries within about 5 minutes. Too many people are not willing to wait around while their car recharges. And, most people don't even have access to a charging station at home. I think that only about 4 percent of the cars on the road are electric. If they cannot reduce the charging time, the industry is doomed to failure.

They keep reducing the charging time and lengthening how far you can go on a charge. When you factor in the cost of the electricity are you really doing anything for the environment?

[RARO1]

They keep reducing the charging time and lengthening how far you can go on a charge. When you factor in the cost of the electricity are you really doing anything for the environment?

Right now most studies point to all electric cars having about 50% less CO2 emission versus the average gas car, that is cradle to grave, using electricity created from the US average. It take on average 1.5 years for the electric car to make up for the more CO2 intensive manufacturing. It will be much faster in states like South Dakota or Iowa where hydro and other renewable energy sources are used and longer in states like Florida that rely more on natural gas, now if you have your own solar system that you charge from its obviously much cleaner that 50%

[RARO1]

My theory is that if they want electric cars to become the norm, they need to design them with standardized removable batteries and provide a service where you can pull into a station and they will exchange the batteries within about 5 minutes. Too many people are not willing to wait around while their car recharges. And, most people don't even have access to a charging station at home. I think that only about 4 percent of the cars on the road are electric. If they cannot reduce the charging time, the industry is doomed to failure.

Tesla tried that, they developed a station that did it faster than a gas fill up. It never caught on because people never ended up needing a battery before they could use their home charger. Another issue is different cars need different size batteries.

Unless you drive more than 250 miles a day you really don’t need a fast charge or battery swap. You can get 22 miles per hour charging a model 3 tesla with the included charger on a clothes dryer outlet.

With the latest fast chargers out on the road your getting close to 1000 miles per hour, with improving battery and charging technology it will be even faster in the future. Right now the gas car is superior on long trips, but electric is catching up.

[biker1]

I assume you mean waiting around for a stall to become available? Assuming cars arrive randomly and the average charging time is 30 minutes, a stall would open up every 4 minutes. Of course, there is no guarantee all stalls will be occupied at the same time so the wait time could be 0 minutes.

So, if they only have 8 stalls and they are all occupied, I assume you could be waiting around for an hour or so? No thanks.

[Richardb]

People that have never driven a Tesla cannot even begin to imagine how magnificent a vehicle it is. I now get 404 miles on a full charge, more than enough to go anywhere that I would not take an airplane to get to, or stay overnight at a hotel that has a Tesla charging station free of charge.

[tsmall22204]

If you can afford a Tesla why are you concerned about the cost to recharge.

[Oregon47]

Any idea of cost and how long to charge your battery?

I paid 24 cents / kilowatt at the Turkey Lake service center on the turnpike. Tesla’s rates vary with local electricity rates. SECO charges me 12 cents / kilowatt to charge at home. So expect something between those 2 numbers.

[Stu from NYC]

If you can afford a Tesla why are you concerned about the cost to recharge.

Why wouldnt you want to know the cost of charging?

[DAIII]

Some TESLA vehicles have unlimited charging- Great news to see the TESLA charging stations arriving. I drove from Boston to TV using free super charging and rested my eyes when I charged. Wonderful concept. (I also could have watched a streaming movie/show)

However (for me) As long as the sun shines I ride. (Solar is a wonderful thing)

Best news for TESLA FOLKS! :MOJE_whot:

For non Tesla owners:
The in vehicle display shows in REAL TIME how many stations and how many occupied (no waiting) you could drive to the next station which is always close.

Did I mention TESLA is all American ? Made in CA (software and hardware)
God Bless the Red White and Blue!

[villageuser]

Charging at home will obviously be much cheaper and the main place to charge if you own an electric car, I pay about $7 for a full 300 mile charge at home, you would need a gas car that does 85mpg to beat that...

Curious as to how much it cost to put in a charging station at your home.

[Greg L]

Is there a Tesla club in TV ?

[sueblack]

People that have never driven a Tesla cannot even begin to imagine how magnificent a vehicle it is. I now get 404 miles on a full charge, more than enough to go anywhere that I would not take an airplane to get to, or stay overnight at a hotel that has a Tesla charging station free of charge. Cost $350 to have a charging station installed in my garage. I purchased my Tesla with FREE lifetime charging from any Tesla chargers. I purchased my Tesla in March 2020. It upgrades its software at night via my wifi system and is continually adding new features and improvements. No buyers remorse here!

[DAIII]

1. charging station is a NEMA 14/50 outlet - any electrician can add - or use the supplied 110v to charge slowly.

2. Yes a FL Tesla club exists:

Florida Tesla Enthusiasts - Home (https://www.teslaownersflorida.org/)

[kimreniska@mac.com]

A. Basic Model 3 Tesla is $35,000

[La lamy]

My theory is that if they want electric cars to become the norm, they need to design them with standardized removable batteries and provide a service where you can pull into a station and they will exchange the batteries within about 5 minutes. Too many people are not willing to wait around while their car recharges. And, most people don't even have access to a charging station at home. I think that only about 4 percent of the cars on the road are electric. If they cannot reduce the charging time, the industry is doomed to failure.

I see a lot of Teslas in the suburbs where people can recharge easily at home, but big cities have been quite slow to include rechargers in condo buildings, let alone rental apartment buildings. I'm sure new infrastructure will continue to accommodate electric cars, but I too feel too impatient to add a couple hours of wait time to my already 21 hour journey to TV. (I never stop to eat inside a restaurant right now).

[jjtjr]

My theory is that if they want electric cars to become the norm, they need to design them with standardized removable batteries and provide a service where you can pull into a station and they will exchange the batteries within about 5 minutes. Too many people are not willing to wait around while their car recharges. And, most people don't even have access to a charging station at home. I think that only about 4 percent of the cars on the road are electric. If they cannot reduce the charging time, the industry is doomed to failure.

When the car was first designed, the plan was to have removable batteries, so you would just pull into an exchange station and have them changed in about 5 mins. There was a few problems with that Design Ex. What was the age of your battery And the age of the battery you were getting how do you charge the cost for replacement vs charge. There was a show about this when Tesla was first introduced. Then they realized that system had too many issues so it was never implement.They had a mockup at the factory and show how you would pull your into the bay and the old battery was removed and the new one was installed. In the end it was found to be easier to just charge them.

[Rzepecki]

They keep reducing the charging time and lengthening how far you can go on a charge. When you factor in the cost of the electricity are you really doing anything for the environment?

And how is the electricity being produced? With coal?

[biker1]

Depends on where you live. In Florida, about 70% of electricity is generated from natural gas. Electricity from coal is relatively small, I believe nuclear is larger.

And how is the electricity being produced? With coal?

[Windguy]

And how is the electricity being produced? With coal?

The supplier of SECO electricity is Seminole Electric.

Coal: 650 MW
Natural Gas: 835 MW + 300 MW peaking reserve
Solar: 2.2 MW

Generation – Seminole Electric Cooperative (https://www.seminole-electric.com/facilities/generation/)

[retiredguy123]

When the car was first designed, the plan was to have removable batteries, so you would just pull into an exchange station and have them changed in about 5 mins. There was a few problems with that Design Ex. What was the age of your battery And the age of the battery you were getting how do you charge the cost for replacement vs charge. There was a show about this when Tesla was first introduced. Then they realized that system had too many issues so it was never implement.They had a mockup at the factory and show how you would pull your into the bay and the old battery was removed and the new one was installed. In the end it was found to be easier to just charge them.
I was thinking that you wouldn't own the battery, but pay a monthly service fee to use the exchangeable batteries. If they cannot reduce the charging time, and ensure available charging stalls, I think electric cars will be difficult to sell to people who live in apartments and condos. There may be plenty of charging stations now, but only 4 percent of cars are electric. They don't seem to be selling like hotcakes. Car dealers are selling hundreds of thousands of new gasoline vehicles, and they will be on the road for 15 or 20 years from now and competing with electric cars.

[toeser]

Thanks for info. If traveling say 725 miles to see kids for example that means two stops for fueling. I like to keep moving when traveling a long distance so would not have patience to wait while charging. Would be better while staying here during pandemic and charging at home.

I agree. I would never criticize anyone else's choice of a vehicle, but electric will not be my choice until they get an 80% charge down to 15 minutes and have a range of 400 miles. My car gets 600 miles on a tank of gas and when I'm driving 1500 miles between homes, that is exactly what I want.

[Blue Oval]

Although I do not own an electric car, set aside all the talk about carbon footprint, cost or speed of charging, when a person considers how many times we drive someplace that is at most 50 miles or less (Dr apt, Bank, Groceries, dinner, etc.) they are definitely a viable choice to consider. Combined with rooftop solar panels for charging and the battery to possibly feed back at night, or in emergencies, a package to consider. Longer trips are a different situation, but still quite possible. I never look at the cost per mile of driving a vehicle and I seriously doubt many consumers do, but look at size style and comfort. Electrics are here to stay in my opinion, time will tell if I ever own one.

[biker1]

Sales of electric cars are constrained by the battery supply chain, not demand. Tesla sells every car they can make and they make as many cars as they can manufacture batteries for. There will be gas cars being manufactured 20 years from now but electric cars will become a bigger part of the market as the prices of the batteries drop and battery production increases. It is not all or nothing.


I was thinking that you wouldn't own the battery, but pay a monthly service fee to use the exchangeable batteries. If they cannot reduce the charging time, and ensure available charging stalls, I think electric cars will be difficult to sell to people who live in apartments and condos. There may be plenty of charging stations now, but only 4 percent of cars are electric. They don't seem to be selling like hotcakes. Car dealers are selling hundreds of thousands of new gasoline vehicles, and they will be on the road for 15 or 20 years from now and competing with electric cars.

[RARO1]

Curious as to how much it cost to put in a charging station at your home.

Since most homes have their breaker panel in the garage it’s typically a few hundred dollars to install a dedicated 240v outlet (same kind that a clothes dryer would use)

The actual chargers are built into the car, what most of us call the charger is pretty much just a extension cord with some protection circuitry and charge level indicator.

Charging at home at 240 volt is called level 2 charging. You get about 20-30 miles per hour charging this way.

Level 1 charging would be just using a normal 120 volt outlet, this charges a lot slower about 4-5 miles per hour.

Level 1 and 2 use the cars internal charger, using AC power from the grid.

Then there level 3 charging, which you would use on a road trip or a quick local charge stop, this is what you find at Tesla’s supercharging station and at other fast charging chains around the country. On level 3 the cars internal chargers are bypassed and the battery is feed DC power at up to 400amp, giving charge rates up to 1000 miles per hour.

[RARO1]

Depends on where you live. In Florida, about 70% of electricity is generated from natural gas. Electricity from coal is relatively small, I believe nuclear is larger.

Just like biker1 says it depends on where you live, but the average US electric car has about 50% of the carbon footprint vs a gas car. Thats a cradle to grave number. If your in a state that has more renewable energy or have you own solar panels it’s much less.

The US dept of energy has a tool you can check what the average emissions Gas VS electric is dependent on what state you live in.

Florida is around the us average and an all electric car has around 4200 pounds of CO2 emission per year while the average gasoline car has about 11500 pounds per year.

Here’s the link to it:
Alternative Fuels Data Center: Emissions from Hybrid and Plug-In Electric Vehicles (https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.html)

[Nancymacy]

I am replying but for a different reason. I am now able to reply but having a problem with posting. Can someone please give me direction as to how to post so I can.
Appreciated. Nancy

[jacRI]

If you're traveling that distance odds are you would need a bathroom break and a quick lunch. Perfect time to charge.

[TheWarriors]

If you’ve never driven a Tesla and are into performance vehicles, you will be sold immediately. Zero to sixty in 3.2 seconds, nothing compares in the ICE world for comparable dollars spent. I charge at 40-44 miles per hour at home, longer trips do add time but being retired, that’s all I have now!
As for Villagers jumping on the bandwagon, most older people are not receptive to change. Electrification is coming fast, simpler technology and over the air software updates dictates this is the future. It’s great to be in America where we have choices but no one is going to get to excited about a new ICE vehicle that feels outdated as soon as you drive it off the lot. These vehicles are not the Prius.

[PugMom]

They keep reducing the charging time and lengthening how far you can go on a charge. When you factor in the cost of the electricity are you really doing anything for the environment?

don't you need coal to produce electricity?

[Number 10 GI]

When is the government going to charge road tax on electric vehicles? Should have already been doing that. I'm tired of tax payer funded incentives to sell electric cars, let them sell on their own merit. Do some research, manufacturing batteries is a filthy polluting process, so much for environmental concerns. When they can make an electric car that lets me drive as far and refuel as quickly as a gas vehicle I'll be one of the first in line to buy one.

[RARO1]

When is the government going to charge road tax on electric vehicles? Should have already been doing that. I'm tired of tax payer funded incentives to sell electric cars, let them sell on their own merit. Do some research, manufacturing batteries is a filthy polluting process, so much for environmental concerns. When they can make an electric car that lets me drive as far and refuel as quickly as a gas vehicle I'll be one of the first in line to buy one.

Once manufacturers reach a certain number of cars sold the tax incentive roll back, Right now there isn’t any federal tax incentive if you buy a Tesla, and GM will be phased out soon too.

Yes producing a EV creates more emissions than a gas car, the typical EV takes 1.5 years to pay its deficient back. Cradle to grave the average American EV has 50% less emission than gas, thats counting manufacturing, charging/fueling and end of life disposal.

Many states with EVs do charge ev road tax, the average amount payed on road tax for a gas car is $73 a year, states that have a special EV registration charge between $50-200 a year, I agree we should pay our fair share of road tax, and it’s happening in more and more states.

[Stu from NYC]

For the very limited driving we do now we fill up tank every 6-8 weeks.

Down the road if they can get charging time down to 5-10 minutes would seriously consider when we are back doing our longer trips.

[zendog3]

The question to ask before buying a Tesla: How many times in the last year have you had to fill up your car outside your garage? How much time have you spent standing at gas pumps.That can add up to a lot of hours. Now ask yourself, how many of those fill-ups have you HAD to fill your car more than 100 miles from your garage. Looks like the electric car will save a lot of your time, standing at the pump, even if some of that time you spend at a charging stations on the road.

As for cost, I recently had electric panels installed on the roof of my house, so I would be driving at pennies per mile. If I bought a Tesla, my carbon footprint would be close to zero.

Global warming is real. It is driving hurricanes in Iowa, fires in California, sea level rise around the Globe, etc. If you live in Florida, where the sun shines every day, you should call out the solar company for an evaluation. My bill to pay off my solar roof is what I used to pay for electricity. I did not install solar on my roof to save money. I did it to help the world my grandchildren be a better safer place. I may look into an electric car if I ever need to replace the one I have. It would be nice to think that when I die, I will have achieved near zero carbon status.

[jweber555@gmail.com]

The cost depends on the electric carrier. An average time to fully charge is 1/2 hr.

[La lamy]

I am replying but for a different reason. I am now able to reply but having a problem with posting. Can someone please give me direction as to how to post so I can.
Appreciated. Nancy

Go to "talk of the Villages Forums' green tab at top of page. From there, get into whichever forum your post is about like "Current Events" then you'll see a red tab for "New Thread".

[Patents111]

Although not offered by Tesla, consider a plug-in hybrid (PHEV) car or SUV. For example, the Honda Clarity goes the first 47 miles on Plug-in battery power and then switches to a gas engine with 40+ mpg. 47 miles could cover your local trips and the gas engine would cover the longer trips. You might even prefer the PHEV air conditioned comfort over your golf cart on those hotter days for local trips.

[EdFNJ]

You might even prefer the PHEV air conditioned comfort over your golf cart on those hotter days for local trips. My golf cart is air conditioned. :clap2: We call it our "poor man's Tesla." Tesla is an amazing vehicle but IMO not quite ready for prime time YET strictly due to mileage on the batteries and charging. If money were no object to me it would be an incredible 2nd car but unfortunately it is an "object" to me.

[merrymini]

My theory is that if they want electric cars to become the norm, they need to design them with standardized removable batteries and provide a service where you can pull into a station and they will exchange the batteries within about 5 minutes. Too many people are not willing to wait around while their car recharges. And, most people don't even have access to a charging station at home. I think that only about 4 percent of the cars on the road are electric. If they cannot reduce the charging time, the industry is doomed to failure.

I just bought a model 3 and there is no way in hell that I would accept anybody else's batteries. I take care of my stuff and you would not know how the batteries you get will function. I know people who have taken long trips and, once you get to know your vehicle, you can pretty much go anywhere. You charge at home and there are charging stations all over. My days of the 18 hour marathon driving from NJ to FL are over anyway!

[RARO1]

I just bought a model 3 and there is no way in hell that I would accept anybody else's batteries. I take care of my stuff and you would not know how the batteries you get will function. I know people who have taken long trips and, once you get to know your vehicle, you can pretty much go anywhere. You charge at home and there are charging stations all over. My days of the 18 hour marathon driving from NJ to FL are over anyway!

Congrats on the model 3! Which trim and color did you get? Did you get it delivered to your home or did you go to the delivery center?

[merrymini]

About $160 in New Jersey. May be different in the villages.

[merrymini]

Red. And I love the aerodynamic wheel covers. Really different driving experience and takes some getting used to. My husband loves playing with the toy box. We use our Prius to come to Florida. We picked ours up at the dealer.