Another police shooting

[Bay Kid]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

It’s the culture of the people getting shot. They see the martyrdom that the trash thug felon George Floyd created and with no common sense in their thought process; they pull a gun, fight the Police, run and draw a weapon - over and over and over - anything other than what common sense would tell them to do.

[Stu from NYC]

When pulled over by police they will watch your hands to make sure you will not threaten them.

Why is this so hard.

Now they will have excuses to destroy more businesses and loot.

[Toymeister]

The victim, Jacob Blake, criminal record as recent as July 2020 includes:

-Stragulation

-Bail jumping

- Assult

-Sexual Assult

-Domestic Violence

I doubt this was reported on MSM. 'This' being his violent criminal record.

[Red White & Blue]

It’s the culture of the people getting shot. They see the martyrdom that the trash thug felon George Floyd created and with no common sense in their thought process; they pull a gun, fight the Police, run and draw a weapon - over and over and over - anything other than what common sense would tell them to do.

This has been going on way before the Floyd incident with the lost of respect.

[Bucco]

The victim, Jacob Blake, criminal record as recent as July 2020 includes:

-Stragulation

-Bail jumping

- Assult

-Sexual Assult

-Domestic Violence

I doubt this was reported on MSM.

It seems to be very well covered in all media.

Always wonder the need to condemn those who report what is happening.

[DonH57]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

It's a bad decision to test the police officer's will to survive given the short reaction time he has and placing the officer in that position. People just blatantly think they can do what they want now. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Sad this person didn't value his own life.

[Doro22]

It's a bad decision to test the police officer's will to survive given the short reaction time he has and placing the officer in that position. People just blatantly think they can do what they want now. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Sad this person didn't value his own life.

Where did this happen!

[mamamia54]

Where did this happen!

Kenosha, Wisconsin

[B-flat]

It seems to be very well covered in all media.

Always wonder the need to condemn those who report what is happening.

Yup well covered in the media, yet the teenage girl who was killed by 4 black youths was barely publicized. National media covering that...........maybe very lightly. Then there was the 6 year old who was shot and killed by a black neighbor. We're screwed in plain English.

Veronica Baker: 4 teenagers charged in death of 17-year-old found near Raleigh Bojangles on Jones Sausage Road - ABC11 Raleigh-Durham (https://abc11.com/veronica-baker-lee-raleigh-nc-keyshara-michelle-deans/6377218/)


Family of 5-year-old boy shot and killed by a neighbor: '''We shouldn'''t even be here''' - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-year-boy-shot-killed-neighbor-shouldnt/story?id=72378648)

[billethkid]

To take the racial focus off the shooting....all police involved shootings that day should be reported.
Secondly all non police shootings listed for that day as well.

The medias continual, selective race reporting/promoting needs to be put into the perspective of reality VS selective out of context, sensationalism seeking, disruptive reporting.

[Stu from NYC]

To take the racial focus off the shooting....all police involved shootings that day should be reported.
Secondly all non police shootings listed for that day as well.

The medias continual, selective race reporting/promoting needs to be put into the perspective of reality VS selective out of context, sensationalism seeking, disruptive reporting.

You nailed it

[Bucco]

To take the racial focus off the shooting....all police involved shootings that day should be reported.
Secondly all non police shootings listed for that day as well.

The medias continual, selective race reporting/promoting needs to be put into the perspective of reality VS selective out of context, sensationalism seeking, disruptive reporting.

Sometimes I marvel at the sheer...whatever....of this forum. If you simply google the poor girls name, you will find pages...not page, but pages of news reports yet you all say it is not reported.

What do you read for news. Having people blame the media like this is scary because it points out how some control so many others.

Addressing the actual issue seems to be a lost "art" or ability.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

No intention to "blame" the media.
The point was the purposeful under reporting by the media.
No blame. My opinion.

The question is why does the media focus on specific incidents....that may very well be an isolated incident in the overall?

"The media" is not a singular thing. IT - the singular thing that doesn't exist, doesn't "focus on specific incidents" any more than "The media" - any other singular thing that doesn't exist, focuses on specific incidences.

The category of "the media" includes all media. A spectrum of media that ranges from tweets on the internet to live coverage of disasters to National Geographic investigative 4-part report series on the reproductive cycle of arachnids, and everything inbetween.

Each will have its own perspective of facts, and each will relay those facts in a way that will grab the interest of its paid subscribers most.

Mainstream Media doesn't even mean anything anymore, OTHER than as a dogwhistle for the alt-right and leftist propaganda mills. It basically means "any form of media that is pushing an agenda that OUR agenda-creators disagree with."

White Nationalists will hate Ebony magazine, because Ebony magazine promotes topics of interest to black people. Ebony magazine will hate Stormfront, because Stormfront promotes topics of interest to Nazis.

The networks, ABC, NBC, and CBS, cater to middle America, because middle America are who watch those networks the most.

Once people get their heads out of their leftist, alt-right, nazi, racist, anti-male, anti-female, anti-pro-choice, anti-choice, anti this that and the other thing butt cheeks, they'll have the opportunity to realize that facts really do exist, and facts are not always conspiracies, and conspiracies are often wrong.

Til then, keep enjoying the bubble you've put around your head while living in the bubble. And remember that bubble isn't a mask. Please wear one when you go grocery shopping.

Thanks.

[Moderator]

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[Stu from NYC]

The topic is a police shooting that occurred in Wisconsin. A large number of posts derailed the thread by having the usual discussion about the news media. They have been removed. Please stay on topic or the thread will be closed.

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Thank you for the guidance. We do get carried away here sometimes.

[Love2Swim]

And the other side of the story is that Blake was trying to "deescalate" a domestic incident when police drew their weapons and tasered him. As he was walking away to check on his children, police fired their weapons seven times into his back at point blank range. Blake's three sons were only a few feet away. I think we need to wait for the results of the investigation until all facts are known before we jump to conclusions. And his prior record, if he has one, has nothing to do with this situation. It does not justify a police shooting.

[Bucco]

And the other side of the story is that Blake was trying to "deescalate" a domestic incident when police drew their weapons and tasered him. As he was walking away to check on his children, police fired their weapons seven times into his back at point blank range. Blake's three sons were only a few feet away. I think we need to wait for the results of the investigation until all facts are known before we jump to conclusions. And his prior record, if he has one, has nothing to do with this situation. It does not justify a police shooting.

Well said !!

[Number 10 GI]

To take the racial focus off the shooting....all police involved shootings that day should be reported.
Secondly all non police shootings listed for that day as well.

The medias continual, selective race reporting/promoting needs to be put into the perspective of reality VS selective out of context, sensationalism seeking, disruptive reporting.

What and ruin a good story!

[Paper1]

I may be mistaken but in almost 100% of these encounters with police that end badly there seems to always have been some element of resisting arrest and it escalates from there. I for one think the penalties for resisting arrest, assaulting an officer, failure to stop (in most cases), and interfering with an officer should be automatic and substantial if proven. Watching these peaceful (sarcasm) protests for 3 month and seeing the abuse law enforcement is subjected to and takes amazes this old grandfather.

[graciegirl]

I really think that a person's "prior record" always has to do with the situation. A person who is well known to the police and with a history of violence is more dangerous. ALWAYS.

We all profile. It is how we save our bacon every day in a thousand ways. We use assessments and reasoning and we know when to walk and when to run and when to avoid a situation. It is Darwin's survival of the fitness and the smartest. There are many forms of humans recognizing danger. Not every human has all the perceptions of smelling a rat. I think gender figures into it too. These days we are deemed politically incorrect for even bringing up gender or innate ability. But mankind has used these ways of protecting themselves and protecting their family and protecting their homes to the betterment of civilization. Now we are directed to ignore reasonable assessments of danger.

[Bucco]

I really think that a person's "prior record" always has to do with the situation. A person who is well known to the police and with a history of violence is more dangerous. ALWAYS.

We all profile. It is how we save our bacon every day in a thousand ways. We use assessments and reasoning and we know when to walk and when to run and when to avoid a situation. It is Darwin's survival of the fitness and the smartest. There are many forms of humans recognizing danger. Not every human has all the perceptions of smelling a rat. I think gender figures into it too. These days we are deemed politically incorrect for even bringing up gender or innate ability. But mankind has used these ways of protecting themselves and protecting their family and protecting their homes to the betterment of civilization. Now we are directed to ignore reasonable assessments of danger.

I am sure you are not saying that having a "record" allows your being shot in the back for anything except of corse to save another life.

That was my understanding of the post to which I responded with well said (post you respond to)

Other reason for my "well said" was the caution that we do not know the entire story yet we have "opinions" which appear to be based on skin color, which I find offensive. No threads are begun without that ingredient.

[DeanFL]

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...and here we go again!
Cell phones at the ready.
News ready to pounce.
Lawyers ready to investigate.

Well, only if it a cop is the shooter and the Minority is the shootee.

They (you know who I mean) are just chompin' at the bit for more and more. and more.

NO ONE waits for details of the shooting - why, how, what, who. THOSE details - even if the shooting was warranted is non-news after the inital flare-up.

sad.
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[Stu from NYC]

I am sure you are not saying that having a "record" allows your being shot in the back for anything except of corse to save another life.

That was my understanding of the post to which I responded with well said (post you respond to)

Other reason for my "well said" was the caution that we do not know the entire story yet we have "opinions" which appear to be based on skin color, which I find offensive. No threads are begun without that ingredient.

Having a record does not allow you to be shot however it is rather remarkable that in all the police shootings we have seen the guy getting shot has a record a yard long.

Having said this if the police are guilty they deserve to be held accountable.

And this is an excuse for a new round of riots and destruction.

[John41]

In 99% of police shootings once all the facts are out it is clear why they shot and are found not guilty. The police tried to stop him getting into his car by nonviolent means first (grabbing his shirt) then when Blake bent down to grab a weapon the police had to defend themselves and shot. As regards the seven shots, in a tense situation one bullet or even several may not stop a determined criminal.

[Bikeracer2009]

"As he was walking away to check on his children, police fired their weapons seven times into his back at point blank range."

I can't imagine the thinking behind his decision to check on his kids while the police were pointing guns at him. I'm sure they were also giving him commands to follow.

I will not rush to judgment on whether the cop acted properly or not.

I can say that I wouldn't want to be the officer that felt the need to shoot Mr Blake. I can imagine the fear of the situation. A man clearly disregarding my commands as I point my gun at him and goes around his vehicle, opens the drivers door and reaches inside as I pull at his shirt. Now I have to decide if I want to wait and see what he's reaching for and hope it's not a gun. If it's a gun I'll probably get shot, if he's just taking this moment to check on his kids then I'll be in a lot of trouble. If I shoot I'm a bad cop, if I don't I could be a dead cop.

If I was a cop, I would quit my job. I would not want people like Mr Blake putting me in this situation because he wanted to go check on his kids while 3 cops have guns pointed at him.

I have defended blm and stand against racism where racism exists but I don't defend the actions of people that put our police officers in dangerous situations so they can call it racism, for a money grab or whatever.

Hopefully the investigation will exonerate the police and Mr Blake will recover fully.

[Number 10 GI]

In 99% of police shootings once all the facts are out it is clear why they shot and are found not guilty. The police tried to stop him getting into his car by nonviolent means first (grabbing his shirt) then when Blake bent down to grab a weapon the police had to defend themselves and shot. As regards the seven shots, in a tense situation one bullet or even several may not stop a determined criminal.

The police are trained to shoot until the threat is no longer a threat.

[Stu from NYC]

Than their is the old police expression, Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

If these people would only follow the officers instructions we would all be in a better place.

[John41]

And the other side of the story is that Blake was trying to "deescalate" a domestic incident when police drew their weapons and tasered him. As he was walking away to check on his children, police fired their weapons seven times into his back at point blank range. Blake's three sons were only a few feet away. I think we need to wait for the results of the investigation until all facts are known before we jump to conclusions. And his prior record, if he has one, has nothing to do with this situation. It does not justify a police shooting.

Don’t you think you should take your own advice and wait for results of the investigation before jumping to conclusions?
Domestic abuser stops to breakup domestic dispute? Not likely.
Went to check on his kids. Were they under the seat?

[tvbound]

There just has to be more than what was seen on the video, or even reported as this started as a domestic dispute, so I'll wait to hear a lot more facts before judging what looks right now to me, like an out of control and scared officer trying to murder him. To justify 7 shots, point blank, into the back of an unarmed man however, it is going to take an awful lot to convince me to even imagine this being justified. As for whatever prior record he had, that has absolutely nothing to do with what the officer did (that's for a jury or judge at the time of any potential sentencing) and it's sad to think that anyone would feel otherwise. I am amazed that the guy is even still alive at this point, so I'm hoping for a full recovery so that our justice system can work like it's supposed to. I am also hoping that people allow the system to work and they don't start rioting, looting or setting things on fire. If they do, they need to be arrested and prosecuted fully.

[Bucco]

Having a record does not allow you to be shot however it is rather remarkable that in all the police shootings we have seen the guy getting shot has a record a yard long.

Having said this if the police are guilty they deserve to be held accountable.

And this is an excuse for a new round of riots and destruction.

Wonder, with all the seemingly information we read on here....is there a way to determine if any white guys (or gals) are shot while resisting arrest or thought to ?

There must be one white guy that resisted arrest....do none of them get shot like this.

Serious question....not being a smart aleck. Just seems we always hear about the guy **** having a record....is it a coincidence about skin color ?

[Stu from NYC]

There just has to be more than what was seen on the video, or even reported as this started as a domestic dispute, so I'll wait to hear a lot more facts before judging what looks right now to me, like an out of control and scared officer trying to murder him. To justify 7 shots, point blank, into the back of an unarmed man however, it is going to take an awful lot to convince me to even imagine this being justified. As for whatever prior record he had, that has absolutely nothing to do with what the officer did (that's for a jury or judge at the time of any potential sentencing) and it's sad to think that anyone would feel otherwise. I am amazed that the guy is even still alive at this point, so I'm hoping for a full recovery so that our justice system can work like it's supposed to. I am also hoping that people allow the system to work and they don't start rioting, looting or setting things on fire. If they do, they need to be arrested and prosecuted fully.

Seems like rioting has already started. So many of these people seem to be looking at an excuse to steal or destroy other peoples property.

[Northerner52]

And there is no outrage or protesting when blacks kill blacks by the thousands??????

[manaboutown]

Wonder, with all the seemingly information we read on here....is there a way to determine if any white guys (or gals) are shot while resisting arrest or thought to ?

There must be one white guy that resisted arrest....do none of them get shot like this.

Serious question....not being a smart aleck. Just seems we always hear about the guy **** having a record....is it a coincidence about skin color ?

• People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2020 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/)

[Bucco]

• People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2020 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/)

Not exactly what I was looking for, but interesting numbers.

Police shootings of any color has exploded...why isn't that a story by any race.

Not an expert but have known a LOT of police officers over the years. Always felt there were some seriously aggressive officers, and have doubted why some became police.

Not an ok for rioting by any stretch, but I do realize what angers blacks.....now I ask why is not the general population upset about the sudden and dramatic increase in police shooting citizens.

[manaboutown]

Not exactly what I was looking for, but interesting numbers.

Police shootings of any color has exploded...why isn't that a story by any race.

Not an expert but have known a LOT of police officers over the years. Always felt there were some seriously aggressive officers, and have doubted why some became police.

Not an ok for rioting by any stretch, but I do realize what angers blacks.....now I ask why is not the general population upset about the sudden and dramatic increase in police shooting citizens.

Shootings and other violent crimes have recently dramatically increased in number in some large cities such as NYC, Chicago, Baltimore and others. This has of course brought about more criminal-police encounters. If criminals behave as many do, such as not keeping their hands in sight, resisting arrest, appearing to be reaching for a weapon, or threatening with a weapon they are likely to get shot by LEOs. In all but a very few cases, a criminal's behavior is what causes him to be shot. They tend to be the dimmer bulbs on the tree, no matter their race.

[Kerry Azz]

Wow what did George Floyd do wrong?
I guess the officer that had his knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes while he was cuffed up was in danger for his life!
Your comment speaks in volume as to what type of mindset you have!

[Dgizzi]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.
Yes. If you commit a crime, don’t run from the police. How many “white” people get shot by police? Do we riot every time.

[Nucky]

My life matters. I am a Caucasian. If I get a directive from an officer and it has been a while I did obey. I don't make any sudden movements or make the officer think he or she is at risk. My hands are on the wheel when I get pulled over and I let the officer know immediately about the weapons in the car.

I give respect, I get respect. I also try not to judge. I wasn't one of the officers on the scene. The ENTIRE story must be found out not just a few snippets on the news.

[Northwoods]

Not exactly what I was looking for, but interesting numbers.

Police shootings of any color has exploded...why isn't that a story by any race.

Not an expert but have known a LOT of police officers over the years. Always felt there were some seriously aggressive officers, and have doubted why some became police.

Not an ok for rioting by any stretch, but I do realize what angers blacks.....now I ask why is not the general population upset about the sudden and dramatic increase in police shooting citizens.

Why aren't we all outraged about the increase in violence in America. Last weekend 64 people were shot across Chicago, seven of them fatally. A 12-year-old boy and six teenagers were among those wounded.

In New York CIty at least 45 people were shot, eight fatally, since Friday.

Six people were shot, one killed in weekend shootings across Portland.

Why aren't we outraged about this? Why isn't this the lead story on national news? Why aren't we trying to understand and reduce violence in our cities.

Why is the media laser focused on 1 police shooting in Kenosha, WI when 64 + 45 + 6 people were shot and 16 were killed in just 3 cities over the weekend?

[John41]

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[billyb1950]

You're right...as in past situations like these, MSM would likely portray him as an upstanding member of the church choir, valedictorian of his class, and a volunteer in the community, all while showing innocent photos of him in his youth.

[camaguey48]

Wow what did George Floyd do wrong?
I guess the officer that had his knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes while he was cuffed up was in danger for his life!
Your comment speaks in volume as to what type of mindset you have!
George was a career criminal. Look up his record. Not a choir boy.

Tell us more about Darius Sessoms, the man who murdered five year old Cannon Hannin in Wilson, N.C. On August 9th. Are you ok with that?

[Love2Swim]

Wow what did George Floyd do wrong?
I guess the officer that had his knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes while he was cuffed up was in danger for his life!
Your comment speaks in volume as to what type of mindset you have!

Agree. Its pretty clear what they mindset is. This country has a long way to go. No wonder people of color get upset. This has been going on for hundreds of years. Rioting and looting is wrong, but I can understand why they feel as they do - the frustration, the feeling of powerlessness.

[Love2Swim]

There just has to be more than what was seen on the video, or even reported as this started as a domestic dispute, so I'll wait to hear a lot more facts before judging what looks right now to me, like an out of control and scared officer trying to murder him. To justify 7 shots, point blank, into the back of an unarmed man however, it is going to take an awful lot to convince me to even imagine this being justified. As for whatever prior record he had, that has absolutely nothing to do with what the officer did (that's for a jury or judge at the time of any potential sentencing) and it's sad to think that anyone would feel otherwise. I am amazed that the guy is even still alive at this point, so I'm hoping for a full recovery so that our justice system can work like it's supposed to. I am also hoping that people allow the system to work and they don't start rioting, looting or setting things on fire. If they do, they need to be arrested and prosecuted fully.

I agree. I'm really shocked that people see a person's prior record as an excuse to shoot them, and we don't even know if the police were aware of his record at the time of the shooting. And speaking of records, supposed it was a white woman who was a prostitute, instead of a black man with a history of third degree spousal abuse? Should she be treated differently because of the type of crime she committed? Or are police going to treat a car thief differently? Or how about a businessman who committed fraud? If it was a white guy in a suit going back to check on his children would they have been so quick to pump 7 shots into his BACK? I think if we are honest we know the answer to that question.

[Tom2172]

Can’t use race to identify criminal suspects
Yet Police shootings when the criminal puts the police & public’s lives in danger
Race is pushed As the factor.
Never that the criminal suspect resisted arrest and put lives in danger

[Girlcopper]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.
And when the video was slowed down, it can be seen he has something hidden in his hand. Would you want to be in that officers place and have to make a split second decision? Go home in one piece to his family and get fired and possibly charged or be dead. Ill take fired anyday

[Stu from NYC]

And when the video was slowed down, it can be seen he has something hidden in his hand. Would you want to be in that officers place and have to make a split second decision? Go home in one piece to his family and get fired and possibly charged or be dead. Ill take fired anyday

These people never see it from the officers side. They do need to see your hands to know you are not a threat to them.

[Mardarlowe]

The man decided to ignore the policeman repeatedly. He paid the price. Move on.

[jimh123]

Yea for the Police !!! Doing their Job ! ALL Lives Matter !

[Slapnut]

There would have been no report from the news if it was a white man. Just like no news reports regarding rioting and looting. The news only reports what they want. It's a shame

[skyking]

If I am in the same position and being unfairly harassed by the police, I will do exactly as instructed and file my complaint the next day.

Each of these victims had one thing in common. Stupidity.

[oneclickplus]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

He earned those bullets no matter what color his skin. He wasn't a black man shot. He was a non-cooperative criminal who refused to keep his hands in plain view and proceeded to ignore lawful orders and reached into his vehicle for (who knows what). Police shouldn't have to wait to see if he pulls out a weapon. Shooting was in self-defense. Glad he is gone from the planet. Too bad for those kids though. And, too bad for all the innocent people who have to deal with more BLM BS.

[Heyitsrick]

Why aren't we all outraged about the increase in violence in America. Last weekend 64 people were shot across Chicago, seven of them fatally. A 12-year-old boy and six teenagers were among those wounded.

In New York CIty at least 45 people were shot, eight fatally, since Friday.

Six people were shot, one killed in weekend shootings across Portland.

Why aren't we outraged about this? Why isn't this the lead story on national news? Why aren't we trying to understand and reduce violence in our cities.

Why is the media laser focused on 1 police shooting in Kenosha, WI when 64 + 45 + 6 people were shot and 16 were killed in just 3 cities over the weekend?

You're exactly right, of course. And we don't have to look far to see people who just can't wait to go on another anti-police rant, yet couldn't care less about the overwhelming numbers of shootings/killings that are primarily black-on-black crimes. Those lives don't matter to activists, celebrities, and some online who just revel in looking for the worst in law enforcement, and perpetuating stereotypes. It's pretty pathetic.

[Love2Swim]

You're exactly right, of course. And we don't have to look far to see people who just can't wait to go on another anti-police rant, yet couldn't care less about the overwhelming numbers of shootings/killings that are primarily black-on-black crimes. Those lives don't matter to activists, celebrities, and some online who just revel in looking for the worst in law enforcement, and perpetuating stereotypes. It's pretty pathetic.

What is pathetic is the lack of gun control in this country.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

To take the racial focus off the shooting....all police involved shootings that day should be reported.
Secondly all non police shootings listed for that day as well.

The medias continual, selective race reporting/promoting needs to be put into the perspective of reality VS selective out of context, sensationalism seeking, disruptive reporting.

We'd need a separate 24 hour a day channel to report all of the shootings in this country every day. There were 59 people shot in Chicago over the weekend. There are hundreds and perhaps thousands of shootings every day in this country. I'm sure they are all reported locally. In order to report them all, we'd need a national clearing house for shootings.

[MandoMan]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

Kenosha, Wisconsin. Proud home of the late American Motors Corporation. Ramblers! My first car was a used 1963 Rambler American. I loved it. Then the company closed down, and life got a lot harder for a lot of laid off employees, a couple generations ago. So to some extent, this shooting happened because we bought Japanese cars instead of Ramblers.

I’ve watched this video about ten times, and I think we need a lot more information. I don’t know that the officers had any idea who was in the back seat of that nice SUV, as the windows had dark tinting. Why is that even allowed? No wonder cops are nervous about traffic stops with windows like that.

It seems pretty clear that the officers had been talking to this guy on the other side of the SUV before he strode around to the driver’s door while being ordered to halt. Had they asked for his driver’s license and car registration? Perhaps he didn’t have his wallet in his pocket. Perhaps it was in a console compartment in the car, and he was reaching for it. Perhaps it was on the passenger seat. Perhaps the passenger door was locked (that often happens if the car is running, and this one may have been, as the windows were closed and there were kids in the back).

Had the police run the license plate number? Did they know the guy’s record? Did they thus have reason to fear that he might be armed?

Both officers had drawn their weapons before the video begins, it seems. This is pretty unusual. Had they done that because they had been told to assume the guy (sorry, but I don’t recall his name) was armed and dangerous? Did they draw because before the video began, he seemed prone to violence? We don’t know. Had they ordered him to the ground, and he refused? If his kids were in the car, worry about them could be a factor, and perhaps the officers, as I said, didn’t know.

So the officers follow the guy around the SUV. To me they look terrified. I could be wrong, but they look scared of this guy who wasn’t complying. He leans into the car to grab something. Could it be a black wallet? My wallet is black. Not unusual. But to them it looks like a gun, and one officer, terrified, starts shooting, and the other joins in, perhaps assuming the first cop may have seen a gun. But it seems there was no gun.

I’m sure this is a nightmare situation for the officers. They had to have known this would destroy their careers, ruin their lives, before they fired. If you have fired handguns, you know that when you have leaned deep into a car, across the driver’s seat, steering wheel in the way, left hand on the seat, it takes awhile to straighten, turn, swing a gun, and fire, even if you are unusually fast. Maybe you’d hit your head on the roof. Maybe the gun would get tangled in the steering wheel. Maybe you would shoot yourself in the foot. Try it and see! It’s a lot slower than drawing and shooting from a standing position. So really, even if this guy was fast, the officers had adequate time to wait until they had clearly seen a gun in his hand before shooting. He couldn’t shoot from that bent over and in the SUV position and hit the cops. He could straighten and begin swinging his gun and the cops could still shoot him many times before he could fire. After all, their guns were already drawn and pointing at him.

So, it seems to me that these officers were terrified, and this led to what seems to me to be a shooting that could have been avoided. Indeed, maybe the entire incident could have been avoided. We don’t know yet. Certainly, the guy resisting the police did not show much wisdom in his actions. How could he not know he was putting his life in danger?

I don’t think these officers will be found guilty of attempted homicide in any degree, but I think they will lose their jobs. Meanwhile, nothing that happened here is justification for rioting, arson, looting, or destruction of property.

[billethkid]

We'd need a separate 24 hour a day channel to report all of the shootings in this country every day. There were 59 people shot in Chicago over the weekend. There are hundreds and perhaps thousands of shootings every day in this country. I'm sure they are all reported locally. In order to report them all, we'd need a national clearing house for shootings.

Hence the point ..... selective, agenda based reporting of "...another police shooting...".

[Rsenholzi]

This is not true. look at the dates of the media coverage , none of the media picked up the story until 4 to 7 days after the persons death. They are only doing it as a result of the outrage on Facebook of the media ignoring all of the deaths. They are blacking out the deaths or beatings of white people if they can get away with it. It is a form of reverse discrimination

[Scorpyo]

And when the video was slowed down, it can be seen he has something hidden in his hand. Would you want to be in that officers place and have to make a split second decision? Go home in one piece to his family and get fired and possibly charged or be dead. Ill take fired anyday
You’re missing the point. There’s a new law. Perpetrators are innocent until proven guilty. Cops are guilty period. Even after proven innocent.

[meridian5850]

If your haven't already seen this, take a look.

Activist critical of police undergoes use of force scenarios - YouTube (https://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g)

yfi3Ndh3n-g

[dewilson58]

"Drop the knife"

[Suzieque]

I agree. I would like to see statistics on how many white people don't listen to police versus black people.

[Stu from NYC]

"Drop the knife"

Some years ago did a workshop with Roanoke police that simulates what officers go thru during training including traffic stops.

Have to be very careful as who knows what the person you are stopping is capable of. Interesting if they first called in license and knew they were dealing with person with violent past.

[Suzieque]

"As he was walking away to check on his children, police fired their weapons seven times into his back at point blank range."

I can't imagine the thinking behind his decision to check on his kids while the police were pointing guns at him. I'm sure they were also giving him commands to follow.

I will not rush to judgment on whether the cop acted properly or not.

I can say that I wouldn't want to be the officer that felt the need to shoot Mr Blake. I can imagine the fear of the situation. A man clearly disregarding my commands as I point my gun at him and goes around his vehicle, opens the drivers door and reaches inside as I pull at his shirt. Now I have to decide if I want to wait and see what he's reaching for and hope it's not a gun. If it's a gun I'll probably get shot, if he's just taking this moment to check on his kids then I'll be in a lot of trouble. If I shoot I'm a bad cop, if I don't I could be a dead cop.

If I was a cop, I would quit my job. I would not want people like Mr Blake putting me in this situation because he wanted to go check on his kids while 3 cops have guns pointed at him.

I have defended blm and stand against racism where racism exists but I don't defend the actions of people that put our police officers in dangerous situations so they can call it racism, for a money grab or whatever.

Hopefully the investigation will exonerate the police and Mr Blake will recover fully.

well said!

[gcanonge]

This was not VERY WELL COVERED! It was very one sided as most of these shootings are!

[Dana1963]

Same Police Department in Wisconsin shot and killed a white Son in front of his mother and sibling upon over reaction of police. https://www.channel3000.com/man-whose-son-was-killed-by-kenosha-police-years-ago-reacts-to-jacob-blake-shooting-hopes-this-one-is-fully-investigated/

[TooColdNJ]

The recent shooting in Wisconsin just reconfirmed the need for changes in the police departments all over the country. That doesn’t mean that Blue Lives don’t matter to me. This is not a political discussion- I’m just trying to understand how/why this could have happened. Doesn’t the fact that seven officers responding to the call in the first place tell us something?

I was disgusted watching Jacob Blake, after breaking up a fight between two women, being shot seven times in the back at close range while his three sons in the car watched. How can anyone refute the fact that there’s systemic racism in this country, and the first place to start repairing it is in the police departments?

[santiagobob]

In 99% of police shootings once all the facts are out it is clear why they shot and are found not guilty. The police tried to stop him getting into his car by nonviolent means first (grabbing his shirt) then when Blake bent down to grab a weapon the police had to defend themselves and shot. As regards the seven shots, in a
tense situation one bullet or even several may not stop a determined criminal.
There was no mention of a weapon of any kind in Blake's car. But there were 3 small children in the car, what responsible police officer would fire seven times into a car with 3 children in it? Any of the rounds could have ricocheted and killed one or more of the children.Shooting someone in the back has always been considered a cowardly act and is normally called murder.

[dewilson58]

Doesn’t the fact that seven officers responding to the call in the first place tell us something?




Tells me a lot.

[rjn5656]

I am not sure it is racism. It is about the violence that is rampant among society. Fights, robberies, gun shed, etc. Cops are scared to death to respond to a call.

[Byte1]

He earned those bullets no matter what color his skin. He wasn't a black man shot. He was a non-cooperative criminal who refused to keep his hands in plain view and proceeded to ignore lawful orders and reached into his vehicle for (who knows what). Police shouldn't have to wait to see if he pulls out a weapon. Shooting was in self-defense. Glad he is gone from the planet. Too bad for those kids though. And, too bad for all the innocent people who have to deal with more BLM BS.

Exactly!!! Well put! I am also glad that he cannot put anyone else in harms way. The only disagreement I have with what you said is "too bad for the kids though." This is probably best for the kids, since he was a cretin anyway and an embarrassment to those kids.

Interesting how the media does not just say a suspect was shot, rather than a BLACK suspect was shot by the police. It is almost as if they are inciting folks to violence so they have a better news story.

[Byte1]

What is pathetic is the lack of gun control in this country.

Thanks to the NRA and it's training, we DO have "gun control" in this country. Gun control is controlled breathing, sight alignment and squeeze don't jerk the trigger. :boom:

Considering the very few police shootings in this country, it's amazing that they have enough control to rarely EVER hit an innocent bystander. Can't say that for the perps.

[Kenswing]

What is pathetic is the lack of gun control in this country.
My guns are always under control. What is pathetic is the lack of criminal control in this country..

[Stu from NYC]

My guns are always under control. What is pathetic is the lack of criminal control in this country..

Everyone we know who owns guns has them safely locked away.

I do not think that assault weapons should be legal.

[mamamia54]

"As he was walking away to check on his children, police fired their weapons seven times into his back at point blank range."

I can't imagine the thinking behind his decision to check on his kids while the police were pointing guns at him. I'm sure they were also giving him commands to follow.

I will not rush to judgment on whether the cop acted properly or not.

I can say that I wouldn't want to be the officer that felt the need to shoot Mr Blake. I can imagine the fear of the situation. A man clearly disregarding my commands as I point my gun at him and goes around his vehicle, opens the drivers door and reaches inside as I pull at his shirt. Now I have to decide if I want to wait and see what he's reaching for and hope it's not a gun. If it's a gun I'll probably get shot, if he's just taking this moment to check on his kids then I'll be in a lot of trouble. If I shoot I'm a bad cop, if I don't I could be a dead cop.

If I was a cop, I would quit my job. I would not want people like Mr Blake putting me in this situation because he wanted to go check on his kids while 3 cops have guns pointed at him.

I have defended blm and stand against racism where racism exists but I don't defend the actions of people that put our police officers in dangerous situations so they can call it racism, for a money grab or whatever.

Hopefully the investigation will exonerate the police and Mr Blake will recover fully.

The video I saw on the news doesn’t show him walking away. It shows him reaching in his car. How are the police supposed to know what he is reaching for. It’s a split second decision. Like my dad always said he was told in WWII “it’s kill or be killed”. I don’t really like or condone violence or murder, but we need to put ourselves in the officers shoes. Another saying I like
If you haven’t walked in my shoes, don’t act like they fit you.

[Byte1]

There was no mention of a weapon of any kind in Blake's car. But there were 3 small children in the car, what responsible police officer would fire seven times into a car with 3 children in it? Any of the rounds could have ricocheted and killed one or more of the children.Shooting someone in the back has always been considered a cowardly act and is normally called murder.

Let's see; a known felon refuses instructions by the police and reaches into a car, possibly reaching for a gun to kill you. Perhaps you do not see the children in the car or in a moment of increased adrenaline you respond how you were trained. His back is turned but you may see something in his hand. You shoot but it happens so fast that he does not immediately seem to be hit or effected by the hurriedly fired bullets. Even though you are trained constantly to count your expended rounds, you forget in the moment and fire a couple more until he falls to the ground. Later, someone tells you that there were children in the car, and you panic as you wonder if any of them might have been hit by a stray bullet. In your mind, you go over the scenario over and over again to see if there might have been another way to handle it. It is easy to see AFTER the fact how it might have gone differently. NO ONE goes on patrol thinking that "today is a good day to shoot someone."

Someone I know was on patrol and got a call for a domestic. He responded knowing his closest backup was 20 minutes away. He pulled into the driveway, late at night and saw a man leaving the house with an AX in his hands, brandishing it in a threatening manner and moving toward him. He drew his weapon and demanded the man to drop the ax. Eventually, the man complied. The man was cuffed and put in the patrol car. The man had just put the ax in his wife's forehead.
Another incident where two men in a car were chased at speeds exceeding a hundred mph and eventually forced to a stop in a used car lot. Three officers surrounded the car and the two were ordered from the car. The passenger door was opened and the passenger immediately reached down between the door and his feet for something. A shiny silvery object reflected sun in his hands as he brought his hands in view. The officer on the passenger side, immediately drew his pistol and put it right against the suspect's head. He did not fire. The suspect raised his hand with a can of beer that would have spilled if he had not reached down quickly for it. No one was shot. The driver was removed to the ER with a head wound when he attempted to flee the police officer after tearing the officer's badge from his uniform and running. The officer struck him with his baton when he caught up with the fleeing suspect and the suspect had attempted to fight him. Both instances someone could have been shot, and the shootings would have been justified if the officers were the shooters.

Officers that work to protect us, also take tremendous risks every day. They wish to return home safely to their families. They deserve our support and ALWAYS the benefit of their service when we consider whether or not they responded properly to a situation.

[Byte1]

Everyone we know who owns guns has them safely locked away.

I do not think that assault weapons should be legal.

Perhaps if you defined "assault weapons" and how they relate to the subject?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Having a record does not allow you to be shot however it is rather remarkable that in all the police shootings we have seen the guy getting shot has a record a yard long.

Having said this if the police are guilty they deserve to be held accountable.

And this is an excuse for a new round of riots and destruction.

Basically this tells me that "all lives" don't really matter afterall. People with criminal records' lives don't matter. Not even if they are free after serving their sentence. Their lives don't matter. If their lives mattered, the cops wouldn't use their criminal history as an excuse to kill them.

And, since a person convicted and sentenced just ONCE is now branded as "mattering less" than everyone else, it's no wonder that they are repeat offenders.

[ProfessorDave]

Seven shots? In the back? Justified under any circumstance. WOW. Some people can justify anything.

[Kenswing]

Everyone we know who owns guns has them safely locked away.

I do not think that assault weapons should be legal.

For the most part "Assault Weapons" aren't legal. To get a permit for an automatic weapon you need to fill out a 12 page background application with finger prints and photo. Send the Feds a $200 check and wait for up to a year to get approved.

And to throw a few more wrenches in owning automatic weapons. The gun must have been manufactured before 1986. States can ban automatic weapons so the federal permit will do you no good.

So, it's great that you don't think "Assault Weapons" should be legal since they already aren't..

[cassjax2]

He wasn’t a kid .... he was an adult with children. When will they learn to comply with police commands???

[Byte1]

Basically this tells me that "all lives" don't really matter afterall. People with criminal records' lives don't matter. Not even if they are free after serving their sentence. Their lives don't matter. If their lives mattered, the cops wouldn't use their criminal history as an excuse to kill them.

And, since a person convicted and sentenced just ONCE is now branded as "mattering less" than everyone else, it's no wonder that they are repeat offenders.

Sounds like someone is attempting to make excuses for bad behavior.
If Cops killed Ex-Cons only because of their record, there would be a lot more dead in the news. Come to think of it, that would solve a lot of problems. :coolsmiley:

[Byte1]

He wasn’t a kid .... he was an adult with children. When will they learn to comply with police commands???

He had is chance and blew it. Glad none of the responding officers were killed.

[Mrprez]

What drives you to try and detract from the fact that there exists a problem, whether merely perceived or based on actual data, that the gun-deaths of black men by police officers is rising?



Do you have some links to statistics to support this claim?

[Veiragirl]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

We don't know many details of the incident...which I find odd. My question is whatever he "did" wasn't there another way of restraining him? After all there were alot of cops there. You tell me this group couldn't contain ONE person?

[Byte1]

Why do you insist on continually changing the subject by demanding to know "what about" everything EXCEPT what is being discussed?

Why are you so uncomfortable participating in the topic at hand? What drives you to try and detract from the fact that there exists a problem, whether merely perceived or based on actual data, that the gun-deaths of black men by police officers is rising?

Yes - what about everything EXCEPT this - but all those other things belong on other threads. THIS thread is about the gun-deaths of black men by police officers rising.

The more you demand to know "what about" everything else, the more I get the feeling you approve of the actual topic - that maybe you feel it's okay for black men to be killed by police.

If there is an "increase of gun deaths of black men by police" then maybe the question should be is, why is there an increase in "black" crime? Or, maybe there is an increase in "black" defiance of the police? It may very well be race related or racist related, but I do not think that the position of the police has changed for the worse. If one wishes to be blind to ALL the stats related to police arrests, regardless of race or the stats related to police shootings regardless of race and then compare them to ALL shootings in America, as well as the demographics of the incidents, then it is easy to accuse everyone of being racists. Perhaps it is not white racists but black racists? If so, are they being given excuses? Is something that happened a hundred years ago pertinent to giving bad behavior to anyone that wishes to use the race card today?

It's been a long time since I have seen a sign on a business for separate entrances for blacks. It has been a long time since I have seen anyone denied service because of their color. And as far as I know, affirmative action changed the problem with color discrimination when it comes to employment. The problem may not be with white racists but actually a failure of some folks to assimilate into American culture.

Time to quit making excuses for bad behavior. Listen to the police when they give you instruction and you will live another day to complain about your being singled out. Better yet, if you don't do anything wrong, you will likely have little to no interactions with the police.

[New Englander]

Seems like rioting has already started. So many of these people seem to be looking at an excuse to steal or destroy other peoples property.

:agree:

[Stu from NYC]

If there is an "increase of gun deaths of black men by police" then maybe the question should be is, why is there an increase in "black" crime? Or, maybe there is an increase in "black" defiance of the police? It may very well be race related or racist related, but I do not think that the position of the police has changed for the worse. If one wishes to be blind to ALL the stats related to police arrests, regardless of race or the stats related to police shootings regardless of race and then compare them to ALL shootings in America, as well as the demographics of the incidents, then it is easy to accuse everyone of being racists. Perhaps it is not white racists but black racists? If so, are they being given excuses? Is something that happened a hundred years ago pertinent to giving bad behavior to anyone that wishes to use the race card today?

It's been a long time since I have seen a sign on a business for separate entrances for blacks. It has been a long time since I have seen anyone denied service because of their color. And as far as I know, affirmative action changed the problem with color discrimination when it comes to employment. The problem may not be with white racists but actually a failure of some folks to assimilate into American culture.

Time to quit making excuses for bad behavior. Listen to the police when they give you instruction and you will live another day to complain about your being singled out. Better yet, if you don't do anything wrong, you will likely have little to no interactions with the police.

Your right, the problem is making the officer feel threatened. Show them your hands and the outcomes will be a lot better.

[tophcfa]

I feel very bad for current day LEO’s. They have an extremely difficult, important, and risky job. Their jobs often put them in situations where they are caught between a rock and a hard place. They act in accordance with their training, in the hope of living another day to go home to their families. The result can put them in an unfortunate predicament where they are wrongfully labeled as racist and their livelihoods are put in jeopardy. If things continue as is pretty soon there will be a serious shortage of good qualified candidates to fill the necessary job openings.

[Mrprez]

We don't know many details of the incident...which I find odd. My question is whatever he "did" wasn't there another way of restraining him? After all there were alot of cops there. You tell me this group couldn't contain ONE person?

Did you watch the video? He was ignoring the commands of the police. He opened his door and was reaching inside. The police had no idea what he was going to do next. If this person had simply listened to the police, things would have gone much better for him.

[TooColdNJ]

It’s the culture of the people getting shot. They see the martyrdom that the trash thug felon George Floyd created and with no common sense in their thought process; they pull a gun, fight the Police, run and draw a weapon - over and over and over - anything other than what common sense would tell them to do.

I just posted about this as well. DISGUSTING.
Watch the video, and listen to a witness describe the situation. WHY did they need to send 7 police officers in the first place?

Listen to the police or not, which none of us heard exactly what they said, there’s no excuse for this. It shouldn’t be, “listen to what we say or we’ll shoot you in the back, even though you don’t have a gun or knife.” The guy didn’t go anywhere, and he had THREE KIDS in the back of the car. So now you’re saying that it’s as simple as just listening, and has nothing to do with SOME, not all, trigger happy LEOs.

[Stu from NYC]

I just posted about this as well. DISGUSTING.
Watch the video, and listen to a witness describe the situation. WHY did they need to send 7 police officers in the first place?

Listen to the police or not, which none of us heard exactly what they said, there’s no excuse for this. It shouldn’t be, “listen to what we say or we’ll shoot you in the back, even though you don’t have a gun or knife.” The guy didn’t go anywhere, and he had THREE KIDS in the back of the car. So now you’re saying that it’s as simple as just listening, and has nothing to do with SOME, not all, trigger happy LEOs.

I am sure there was a reason send 7 officers.

How did they know what the guy was reaching for? If he would have said the reason would have been a rather different outcome.

Just because there was 3 kids in the back how would they know if he was reaching for a weapon?

[avillager]

You can’t be serious that you think it was ok to shoot a person because they aren’t listening patiently to you.. walking away wasn’t a smart thing to do but shooting someone because of that is never ok..

[Mrprez]

You can’t be serious that you think it was ok to shoot a person because they aren’t listening patiently to you.. walking away wasn’t a smart thing to do but shooting someone because of that is never ok..

Deadly serious. What if he grabbed a gun, turned around and shot that policeman? Would you be OK with that?

[Mrprez]

I just posted about this as well. DISGUSTING.
Watch the video, and listen to a witness describe the situation. WHY did they need to send 7 police officers in the first place?

Listen to the police or not, which none of us heard exactly what they said, there’s no excuse for this. It shouldn’t be, “listen to what we say or we’ll shoot you in the back, even though you don’t have a gun or knife.” The guy didn’t go anywhere, and he had THREE KIDS in the back of the car. So now you’re saying that it’s as simple as just listening, and has nothing to do with SOME, not all, trigger happy LEOs.

When the police take you out of your car and are conducting an investigation, you are not to go wandering around and cart it reaching into your car for who knows what?

This will be a just shooting. Don’t sit in your comfy living room and second guess LEO. They are the ones putting their life on the line everyday.

[TooColdNJ]

In 99% of police shootings once all the facts are out it is clear why they shot and are found not guilty. The police tried to stop him getting into his car by nonviolent means first (grabbing his shirt) then when Blake bent down to grab a weapon the police had to defend themselves and shot. As regards the seven shots, in a tense situation one bullet or even several may not stop a determined criminal.

How do you know that he was reaching for a weapon? Did the officers see the weapon while his back was to them, blocking their view? I’d bet money on the fact that there was no weapon. It’s not as if he ran to the car to grab a knife or gun.

These shootings can’t be compared to police shootings of white criminals who don’t listen either. White people in general haven’t been discriminated against because they’re white. No, those shootings aren’t publicized—maybe they should start doing so to show that SOME cops are just trigger happy in general— they all need to be held accountable for their actions and treated the same way. What you’re saying is that color isn’t the issue; therefore, you’re saying that its police in general, regardless of the offender’s race. If that’s the case, maybe it’s time to address that. Kill two birds with one stone.

[TooColdNJ]

I agree. I would like to see statistics on how many white people don't listen to police versus black people.

Sure, it would show more or or less of either black or white, but it won’t tell you which shootings were justifiable or not. That’s the issue. It’s not how many, it’s why.

[TooColdNJ]

Some years ago did a workshop with Roanoke police that simulates what officers go thru during training including traffic stops.

Have to be very careful as who knows what the person you are stopping is capable of. Interesting if they first called in license and knew they were dealing with person with violent past.

True, but does that give them the right to shoot anyone based on how “criminal” they are or were? That’s yet another form of discrimination, especially if there are no current warrants out for their arrest.

[manaboutown]

I just posted about this as well. DISGUSTING.
Watch the video, and listen to a witness describe the situation. WHY did they need to send 7 police officers in the first place?

Listen to the police or not, which none of us heard exactly what they said, there’s no excuse for this. It shouldn’t be, “listen to what we say or we’ll shoot you in the back, even though you don’t have a gun or knife.” The guy didn’t go anywhere, and he had THREE KIDS in the back of the car. So now you’re saying that it’s as simple as just listening, and has nothing to do with SOME, not all, trigger happy LEOs.

BREAKING: Jacob Blake’s Criminal History and Arrest Warrant Finally Revealed After Police Shooting in Kenosha (https://us24news.com/blog/2020/08/25/breaking-jacob-blakes-criminal-history-and-arrest-warrant-finally-revealed-after-police-shooting-in-kenosha/?fbclid=IwAR2MODCTiT7Gi4RMKY9eqavKTofPr3cOgGvZxrsv EMywAhMh751-Bp1Cau8)

[jimjamuser]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.
Well, he was an adult, not a kid. Some say that he went to the car because he worried about his children in the back seat. The Police were there for a domestic disturbance. Police statistics show those to be very dangerous situations. Police do not like to go into those situations. Their presence may make the situation worse. Society is now grappling with the idea of involving more social service type professionals in these situations. Possibly they could wear vests and have radios and a squad car could stay some distance away. The social workers could receive danger pay. Those are some opinions and suggestions.
.......As to the actual shooting, I would suggest that Police carry 2 guns, one with lead bullets and one with rubber bullets. This man had his back to the officers so maybe (?) it would have been a good situation for rubber, not lead bullets?

[TooColdNJ]

I feel very bad for current day LEO’s. They have an extremely difficult, important, and risky job. Their jobs often put them in situations where they are caught between a rock and a hard place. They act in accordance with their training, in the hope of living another day to go home to their families. The result can put them in an unfortunate predicament where they are wrongfully labeled as racist and their livelihoods are put in jeopardy. If things continue as is pretty soon there will be a serious shortage of good qualified candidates to fill the necessary job openings.

I disagree. If things continue as is, there might be a decrease of those who shoot to kill— SEVEN times in the back—and a decrease in black (AND WHITE) deaths by unjustifiable shootings. It would then keep the well qualified LEO and weed out the others to make room for more well qualified and quality officers.

[TooColdNJ]

Sorry we think that Blue Lives Matter. Show the police your hands so they do not feel threatened and this never would have happened.

So that means that your opinion of those who don’t believe there should be unjustifiable shootings, regardless of race, is that they don’t care, and blue lives don’t matter to them. I,for one, feel that both issues matter.

[TooColdNJ]

The video I saw on the news doesn’t show him walking away. It shows him reaching in his car. How are the police supposed to know what he is reaching for. It’s a split second decision. Like my dad always said he was told in WWII “it’s kill or be killed”. I don’t really like or condone violence or murder, but we need to put ourselves in the officers shoes. Another saying I like
If you haven’t walked in my shoes, don’t act like they fit you.

Why not shoot to incapacitate and not shoot to kill?

[dewilson58]

Why not shoot to incapacitate and not shoot to kill?


don't stop shooting until the threat has ended


can't: shoot once, how did that work. shoot again, how did that work. shoot a third time, how did that work.

[TooColdNJ]

Basically this tells me that "all lives" don't really matter afterall. People with criminal records' lives don't matter. Not even if they are free after serving their sentence. Their lives don't matter. If their lives mattered, the cops wouldn't use their criminal history as an excuse to kill them.

And, since a person convicted and sentenced just ONCE is now branded as "mattering less" than everyone else, it's no wonder that they are repeat offenders.
:BigApplause:

[NoMoSno]

Why not shoot to incapacitate and not shoot to kill?
You should join the PD and see how that works out for you.

[EviesGP]

Dear Moderator,
I respectfully disagree that "the media" is irrelevant to this topic. Since this incident occurred, I have watched/listened to many different media outlets. And nearly all of them begin the headlines with..."another unarmed black man was shot by police"! NO PERSPECTIVE, or circumstances?! So, for us(general public and TOTV members) to objectively look at this, when you have the media using sensationalized and inflammatory terms, makes it quite difficult? They were quick to point out that there were 3 kids in the car, and he was shot 7 times.

Dear TOTV folks,
Although I did not wear the uniform, I worked with law enforcement for 10yrs, and have relatives that are LEOs. Their training teaches them many tactics, techniques, and procedures(TTP). They're also taught statistics and various scenarios. Scenes like these are VERY TENSE, and your adrenaline is flowing! They're trying to get the scene under control, and that is nearly impossible, when you have someone(regardless of color) not following their direction(s), and actually walking away and reaching into a vehicle? ESPECIALLY, when YOUR kids are in the car, and weapons are drawn??? Where is your care for those children? As for shooting him 7 times, I'll refer you to both the TTP(s) and statistics. TTPs teach you that you don't shoot unless you feel threatened, and you don't shoot to wound, as with the suspect's adrenaline, he/she could actually survive long enough to inflict further harm. Hence, he was shot 7 times at close range, and he's going to live(i.e. statistics)! As for the amount of cops there, that's not even worth responding to. Let's let the facts lay out, and see where the evidence leads, before judging. And, the MSM will continue to flame the fires with their rhetoric! Stay safe everyone.

[MercerLunatic]

happened in Kenosha Wisconsin

[Robertnavarre70]

"The media" is not a singular thing. IT - the singular thing that doesn't exist, doesn't "focus on specific incidents" any more than "The media" - any other singular thing that doesn't exist, focuses on specific incidences.

The category of "the media" includes all media. A spectrum of media that ranges from tweets on the internet to live coverage of disasters to National Geographic investigative 4-part report series on the reproductive cycle of arachnids, and everything inbetween.

Each will have its own perspective of facts, and each will relay those facts in a way that will grab the interest of its paid subscribers most.

Mainstream Media doesn't even mean anything anymore, OTHER than as a dogwhistle for the alt-right and leftist propaganda mills. It basically means "any form of media that is pushing an agenda that OUR agenda-creators disagree with."

White Nationalists will hate Ebony magazine, because Ebony magazine promotes topics of interest to black people. Ebony magazine will hate Stormfront, because Stormfront promotes topics of interest to Nazis.

The networks, ABC, NBC, and CBS, cater to middle America, because middle America are who watch those networks the most.

Once people get their heads out of their leftist, alt-right, nazi, racist, anti-male, anti-female, anti-pro-choice, anti-choice, anti this that and the other thing butt cheeks, they'll have the opportunity to realize that facts really do exist, and facts are not always conspiracies, and conspiracies are often wrong.

Til then, keep enjoying the bubble you've put around your head while living in the bubble. And remember that bubble isn't a mask. Please wear one when you go grocery shopping.

Thanks.


As is occasionally noted in this forum, many people hear what they want to hear and avoid the rest. Or if they hear something that does not match their perspective they reject it under the guise of some acceptable label that makes it illegitimate. The good thing about this forum is that if you keep reading you will often find some common sense intelligent commentary that both addresses the focal issue as well as shedding some broader light on the topic of human behavior...including bias and stupidity and sometimes common sense.

[Byte1]

Of course a person's record is important during a police contact. How stupid can folks be to think that knowing how dangerous a person can be is not essential in a police officer's confrontation. Knowing that a suspect has a felony record of violence helps an officer be alert. If you think that a police officer gets paid enough to get shot and maybe killed, you are not living in reality. Yes, a police officer may shoot someone in the back in certain dangerous circumstances. If a person is suspected (reasonably) of reaching for a deadly weapon, a police officer is acting in self defense when he shoots to stop the suspect. It is very easy for ignorant, protected citizens to Monday morning quarterback a police shooting. They were not there and the videos you see are only one dimensional so to speak. You only see what someone wishes you to see. A perfect example is the Floyd case. No one saw the other video where he was arrested, cuffed and put into the police car by two officers, and a minute later when they were dealing with the other two subjects, he escaped out of the patrol car. Then he began to resist arrest and capture. That puts more perspective on his being restrained. I am not saying whether or not the restrain was done properly, but it is not unusual for officers to get a violent person down on the ground and place a knee on them, to regain control.
In this case, even with children in the car, this guy might have been reaching for a gun. It would not be the first time that a dirtbag put children in harms way.
I do not see any evidence yet that this is a race based incident. I see only (so far) a cut and dry, out of control disturbance that instead of the subject submitting to instructions by the police, he decided to make a stupid choice and reach into the car for some reason or another. The police assumed it was for nefarious reasons and used deadly force to stop him. If the police had hesitated and IF the subject reached for a gun and shot the officer or officers, then we probably would not be having this conversation. Just another unfortunate incident where a Cop got killed.
Sorry if I do not have any sympathy for persons that persist with stupid actions. Maybe they should make a subset of the Darwin awards for people that get themselves killed STUPIDLY because of their actions with the police.

[Sherry8bal]

It's NOT the policemen's fault! For someone to do what this black guy did can make them think of nothing but something bad happening and they can't stand there and see if he brings out a gun or whatever. He forced their hand from his own stupidity. Had he listened to what they said, he would still be alive. The same goes for so many of these people who run or fight the police. Getting arrested is nothing compared to being killed.

What's even worse is this guy was in the wrong but then that seems to make it okay for all the others to go loot, steal, burn and rob anything or anyone in sight like it's Christmas. They make a whole mockery of the black race and it's very sad. Things will never get better with that kind of behavior. We HAVE to have the police for law and order. Can you imagine letting the people on the street be in charge of the law and order??? We would return to the Wild West days and that's not a good thing. SUPPORT YOUR POLICE!!!

[Bikeracer2009]

The video I saw on the news doesn’t show him walking away. It shows him reaching in his car. How are the police supposed to know what he is reaching for. It’s a split second decision. Like my dad always said he was told in WWII “it’s kill or be killed”. I don’t really like or condone violence or murder, but we need to put ourselves in the officers shoes. Another saying I like
If you haven’t walked in my shoes, don’t act like they fit you.

The 2 videos I saw show him fighting with the police at the back of the SUV and Mr Blake won that fight. Mr Blake is then scene in the video walking away from the police with their guns drawn. Mr Blake acting with total disregard for what could happen if he continued to walk away and then open the driver's side door and then while an officer pulls on his shirt, reach down inside the vehicle to do whatever.

My statement is just that, mine. I state that I wouldn't want to be a police officer because people like Mr Blake act with total disregard for his own safety and others. I don't need to see if the shoe fits because I have enough intelligence to know it's not for me.

Mr Blake's past, if known by the police would be helpful but not a reason on its own to shoot him.

I think it's helpful to see what it's like to be a police officer in a shootout to gain perspective. YouTube has lots of them and the shootings involve whites, blacks and Latinos.

Watch these guys get shot and keep on doing their job. Watch the thugs get shot and keep on fighting. Then ask yourself if you would just shoot one time to wound the person? Choose between your rubber bullets or your lead ones? Would you wait and see what he's going to pull out of pocket, waist band or under his seat?

These cops see these videos in training. I have personally arrested 6 people at gun point, lived in poverty around violent people and served in the military. I was shot at in Arizona while riding my bike. It's so easy to sit on your couch having never been in a life threatening situation and say you know better than everyone else on how to better handle these types of situations.

I will continue to wait and see if this was a good shooting and if the cop was acting on racist feelings then I'll support protesting for justice.

[Byte1]

Why not shoot to incapacitate and not shoot to kill?

As far as I know, there is not a police Dept. in America that teaches its officers to "shoot to incapacitate." A gun is use of deadly force. A taser is used to incapacitate. A police officer is taught to shoot to STOP, whether it kills or incapacitates the subject does not matter as long as it stops them. This is not a TV Western where Hickok shoots the gun out of someone's hand. This is fast paced, adrenaline pumping, shaking hands using whatever means it takes to stop the bad guy and still go home at night to your family. Taking unnecessary chances with known felons or violent individuals is being a fool and can get you or your comrades killed.

[Stu from NYC]

So that means that your opinion of those who don’t believe there should be unjustifiable shootings, regardless of race, is that they don’t care, and blue lives don’t matter to them. I,for one, feel that both issues matter.

Either all lives matter or no lives matter

[Byte1]

Well, he was an adult, not a kid. Some say that he went to the car because he worried about his children in the back seat. The Police were there for a domestic disturbance. Police statistics show those to be very dangerous situations. Police do not like to go into those situations. Their presence may make the situation worse. Society is now grappling with the idea of involving more social service type professionals in these situations. Possibly they could wear vests and have radios and a squad car could stay some distance away. The social workers could receive danger pay. Those are some opinions and suggestions.
.......As to the actual shooting, I would suggest that Police carry 2 guns, one with lead bullets and one with rubber bullets. This man had his back to the officers so maybe (?) it would have been a good situation for rubber, not lead bullets?

Rubber bullets are made for crowd control, not for self-defense. A police officer ONLY uses lethal force (a gun) when there is a life at stake. Tasers are used to incapacitate, but I wouldn't use one for self-defense. Does a Cop get paid enough to consider incapacitate when his life is at stake?

[Bikeracer2009]

True, but does that give them the right to shoot anyone based on how “criminal” they are or were? That’s yet another form of discrimination, especially if there are no current warrants out for their arrest.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Just noticed that it was reported that the police had an open warrant on Mr Blake and they were there to arrest him.

This was on a news clip and I don't represent it as fact. Just an fyi.

I don't think the police shot Mr Blake because of his arrest history. I could be wrong as the investigation is on going. It looks like Mr Blake fought with the police on a newly released video and won that fight. Then we see on the original video that Mr Blake acted with total disregard for 3 police officers pointing their guns at him while he went into his SUV. His actions seem on the surface to have lead to him being shot.

I support police reform, blm and prison reform. I will support protest if evidence comes forward that shows a different story.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Deadly serious. What if he grabbed a gun, turned around and shot that policeman? Would you be OK with that?

Except, he didn't grab a gun. He didn't have a gun to grab. The policemen shot him anyway. Why are you okay with that?

[Red White & Blue]

since a person convicted and sentenced just ONCE is now branded as "mattering less" than everyone else, it's no wonder that they are repeat offenders.

If I was hiring for a job opening in my company, a person with a convicted record will matters less to me then someone with no convictions at all.
I'm sure you would look at it the same as me if you were in that position, its only human nature, so we can say some people matter more then others.

[TooColdNJ]

I am sure there was a reason send 7 officers.

Just because there was 3 kids in the back how would they know if he was reaching for a weapon?


You might be right. You think they would have acted any differently if the guy told them he had to check on his kids? If he would’ve told them the reason, which maybe he DID, they probably wouldn’t have believed him anyway.

No, his life shouldn’t be celebrated, but George Floyd said he couldn’t breathe. You see how well that worked. They didn’t care because he had a criminal record? That’s sad.

[TooColdNJ]

He opened his door and was reaching inside. The police had no idea what he was going to do next..

Exactly the point.

[Stu from NYC]

You might be right. You think they would have acted any differently if the guy told them he had to check on his kids? If he would’ve told them the reason, which maybe he DID, they probably wouldn’t have believed him anyway.

No, his life shouldn’t be celebrated, but George Floyd said he couldn’t breathe. You see how well that worked. They didn’t care because he had a criminal record? That’s sad.

When you are stopped by the police you follow their directions. Why compare this to the Floyd case?

[Wyseguy]

It seems to be very well covered in all media.

Always wonder the need to condemn those who report what is happening.
I have not seen his criminal record reported on CNN? First I am hearing of it. Not sure it should matter. His totally not following instructions and then reaching in a car would seem to make it justifiable.

[Mrprez]

Exactly the point.

So, you think the police should wait and possibly be shot? Why can’t people just cooperate?

[retiredguy123]

I just watched the news conference conducted by the family attorneys. Looked like a fundraiser to me. No mention by the lawyers that the police officers are innocent until proven guilty. No mention that there was a warrant for Blakes's arrest and that he was resisting arrest. But, to me, the important thing is that what these lawyers are doing will do nothing to improve race relations. Just the opposite. Where are the black people shot by police who don't have a criminal record and don't resist arrest?

[MDLNB]

Really??? Those kids are better of without a father because he was an embarrassment to them?? My father was an embarrassment to me... so I guess, according to you, that it’s best for me that he died. Those kids were lucky to have a dad, considering that there are many missing fathers in black communities. At least he took responsibility for them in some way. Maybe he changed his criminal ways. No criminals are ever rehabilitated?

No one knows his situation or the facts behind this incident, but many of you are pretty quick to judge that he was nothing more than another scumbag who didn’t listen and grabbed for a weapon— so he immediately deserved to die. If not, they didn’t have to put not one, but seven bullets in his back.

With all this said, maybe he did start to turn around with a weapon in his hand and it was a justified shooting. But for the police to assume that it was a weapon is not a reason to kill him. We just don’t have all the facts.


The kids have a chance to grow up with a better example now. He was a thug and a felon with a warrant out for his arrest. He brought the shooting on himself, so he got what he was due. Guess he got his rehabilitation, huh? Gonna be hard for him to commit crimes from a wheel chair.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The kids have a chance to grow up with a better example now. He was a thug and a felon with a warrant out for his arrest. He brought the shooting on himself, so he got what he was due. Guess he got his rehabilitation, huh? Gonna be hard for him to commit crimes from a wheel chair.

...and our tax dollars will be paying his medical, food, and shelter expenses for the rest of his life, because he is now disabled and unable to work. His family probably would've been better off if he had been killed, because now they have the burden of taking care of him. Which means THEY will have to not work, maybe not go to college. Medicaid doesn't cover life-long home-care 24/7.

The "better example" they have now, as opposed to last week, is that cops shoot daddies. Nice example.

[Byte1]

...and our tax dollars will be paying his medical, food, and shelter expenses for the rest of his life, because he is now disabled and unable to work. His family probably would've been better off if he had been killed, because now they have the burden of taking care of him. Which means THEY will have to not work, maybe not go to college. Medicaid doesn't cover life-long home-care 24/7.

The "better example" they have now, as opposed to last week, is that cops shoot daddies. Nice example.

I'm sure that with a daddy like that, they probably already lived on welfare. At least the taxpayer's money will be going to keeping him off the street. Probably cheaper to keep him in jail though. At least we don't have to worry about him getting out of jail and starting another crime spree. Forced rehab.

[jimjamuser]

In 99% of police shootings once all the facts are out it is clear why they shot and are found not guilty. The police tried to stop him getting into his car by nonviolent means first (grabbing his shirt) then when Blake bent down to grab a weapon the police had to defend themselves and shot. As regards the seven shots, in a tense situation one bullet or even several may not stop a determined criminal.
I see a rationalization in that post.

[PugMom]

There just has to be more than what was seen on the video, or even reported as this started as a domestic dispute, so I'll wait to hear a lot more facts before judging what looks right now to me, like an out of control and scared officer trying to murder him. To justify 7 shots, point blank, into the back of an unarmed man however, it is going to take an awful lot to convince me to even imagine this being justified. As for whatever prior record he had, that has absolutely nothing to do with what the officer did (that's for a jury or judge at the time of any potential sentencing) and it's sad to think that anyone would feel otherwise. I am amazed that the guy is even still alive at this point, so I'm hoping for a full recovery so that our justice system can work like it's supposed to. I am also hoping that people allow the system to work and they don't start rioting, looting or setting things on fire. If they do, they need to be arrested and prosecuted fully.

there is more. the 'media' didnt show us the video moments before the man was shot. he was physically fighting with police.

[PugMom]

am not saying he deserved 7 shots, but to be fair, this time i'd go with the police. george floyd was a entirely different case. floyd was already cuffed before they threw him to the ground

[Bonnevie]

My father was a policeman until he retired. he always said never take out your gun unless you intend to shoot it....meaning be very careful about when you do.I have my father's old nightstick that he carried while walking a beat. can't help but wonder if the cops still carried nightsticks if one of them could have used it on the guy while he was walking away. it's very hard wood and the old cops would hit behind the knees with it...very effective. I just don't understand with all those police there why it escalated like that. and I can't condone firing 7 shots into a car with children in it. he may not be the poster child for his race, but he's still a human being.

[jimjamuser]

The kids have a chance to grow up with a better example now. He was a thug and a felon with a warrant out for his arrest. He brought the shooting on himself, so he got what he was due. Guess he got his rehabilitation, huh? Gonna be hard for him to commit crimes from a wheel chair.
That's harsh. Nobody should EVER judge anyone else THAT harsh.

[coffeebean]

In 99% of police shootings once all the facts are out it is clear why they shot and are found not guilty. The police tried to stop him getting into his car by nonviolent means first (grabbing his shirt) then when Blake bent down to grab a weapon the police had to defend themselves and shot. As regards the seven shots, in a tense situation one bullet or even several may not stop a determined criminal.

Has it been determined that Blake was reaching for a weapon in his car? In all the news reports I have seen, it has not been reported that he was reaching for a weapon in his car.

[mamamia54]

Except, he didn't grab a gun. He didn't have a gun to grab. The policemen shot him anyway. Why are you okay with that?

The video shows him going into his car. How do they police know he wasn’t going to grab a gun. He should have just done what they requested. Now that we know his record and all the things he was arrested for and I think still has a warrant out for his arrest, I think it’s fair for the police to think he would be pulling a gun out.

[coffeebean]

Than their is the old police expression, Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

If these people would only follow the officers instructions we would all be in a better place.

Truer words have not been spoken!

[coffeebean]

Don’t you think you should take your own advice and wait for results of the investigation before jumping to conclusions?
Domestic abuser stops to breakup domestic dispute? Not likely.
Went to check on his kids. Were they under the seat?

Has it been reported that Blake looked under the seat?

[coffeebean]

And there is no outrage or protesting when blacks kill blacks by the thousands??????

Or when black man kills a 5 year old white child who was riding his bike on the wrong grass?

[Bikeracer2009]

Mr Blake is officially a millionaire according to his go fund me page. He will no doubt also get a substantial settlement from his civil case. Hopefully his children will grow up and become successful, law abiding citizens.

Hopefully this type of monetary gain doesn't inspire others to fight with the police. It seems that becoming a dead hero or rich survivor are real possibilities if you fight with the police. If you don't fight you just go to jail and take your chances in court. Mr Blake was looking at a prison sentence for the charges he had already racked up so this may have motivated him to fight with the police?


I'm still open minded and as the facts come in I'll adjust my opinion.

[coffeebean]

I agree. I'm really shocked that people see a person's prior record as an excuse to shoot them, and we don't even know if the police were aware of his record at the time of the shooting. And speaking of records, supposed it was a white woman who was a prostitute, instead of a black man with a history of third degree spousal abuse? Should she be treated differently because of the type of crime she committed? Or are police going to treat a car thief differently? Or how about a businessman who committed fraud? If it was a white guy in a suit going back to check on his children would they have been so quick to pump 7 shots into his BACK? I think if we are honest we know the answer to that question.

A white guy in a suit would more than likely listen to the police and cooperate. Do not make the police feel threatened. That is they key to all these altercations with the police and it does not matter the color of the suspect's skin.

[Northwoods]

If you haven't seen Jacob Blake's mother speak at the press conference in Kenosha today, it's worth watching. She said that if her son saw the rioting and destruction of Kenosha, he would not approve. She said that all lives matter. She said we have to stop the hate, that no race is better than any other race. I was so impressed with her words, I wish I would have seen some of those healing words on the national news tonight:
Jacob Blake’s Mother Says Son Would be ‘Unpleased’ by Response to Kenosha Shooting – NBC Chicago (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/jacob-blakes-mother-says-son-would-be-unpleased-by-response-to-kenosha-shooting/2328318/)

[coffeebean]

I just posted about this as well. DISGUSTING.
Watch the video, and listen to a witness describe the situation. WHY did they need to send 7 police officers in the first place?

Listen to the police or not, which none of us heard exactly what they said, there’s no excuse for this. It shouldn’t be, “listen to what we say or we’ll shoot you in the back, even though you don’t have a gun or knife.” The guy didn’t go anywhere, and he had THREE KIDS in the back of the car. So now you’re saying that it’s as simple as just listening, and has nothing to do with SOME, not all, trigger happy LEOs.

It is as simple as IMMEDIATELY put hands in the air with fingers splayed when LEOs are shouting at you. What is so difficult about that? Don't play with fire and you won't get burned.

[TheWarriors]

What is pathetic is the lack of gun control in this country.

Gun control is only favored by those that want to dictate freedom, the government may not always defend freedom and we may be called upon as citizens to set them straight.

[manaboutown]

Wow what did George Floyd do wrong?
I guess the officer that had his knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes while he was cuffed up was in danger for his life!
Your comment speaks in volume as to what type of mindset you have!

Floyd could have died from a fentanyl overdose. Of course he was resisting arrest...

[Two Bills]

The man with the gun always has the 'right of way!'

[Love2Swim]

The video shows him going into his car. How do they police know he wasn’t going to grab a gun. He should have just done what they requested. Now that we know his record and all the things he was arrested for and I think still has a warrant out for his arrest, I think it’s fair for the police to think he would be pulling a gun out.

Maybe he said to the police “I hear my three year old child crying and I need to check on her”. And he proceeded to the car. You and everyone else here doesn’t have all the facts. We need to see the results of an independent investigation.

[Bikeracer2009]

Maybe he said to the police “I hear my three year old child crying and I need to check on her”. And he proceeded to the car. You and everyone else here doesn’t have all the facts. We need to see the results of an independent investigation.

I hear what you're saying and agree we need to wait on all of the facts to come in. I will be disappointed if it's proven that Mr Blake fought with the police and ignored their commands while pointing their guns at him so he could check on his kids. I would hope that a parent in that situation would comply with the police immediately instead of escalating things into a deadly situation.

I think those in support of Mr Blake are hoping for something more supportive of his need to do what he did. I also believe that some of his supporters don't need anything else.

I don't see people on this forum changing their minds on this unfortunate event on either side. You either believe a person should always cooperate with the police or you believe that they're situations in which a person can justify the opposite. There's not much chance in changing someone's mind on such a subject matter.

I'm not an expert and offer no studies or facts to support my opinions.

[Stu from NYC]

I hear what you're saying and agree we need to wait on all of the facts to come in. I will be disappointed if it's proven that Mr Blake fought with the police and ignored their commands while pointing their guns at him so he could check on his kids. I would hope that a parent in that situation would comply with the police immediately instead of escalating things into a deadly situation.

I think those in support of Mr Blake are hoping for something more supportive of his need to do what he did. I also believe that some of his supporters don't need anything else.

I don't see people on this forum changing their minds on this unfortunate event on either side. You either believe a person should always cooperate with the police or you believe that they're situations in which a person can justify the opposite. There's not much chance in changing someone's mind on such a subject matter.

I'm not an expert and offer no studies or facts to support my opinions.

The investigation will determine what actually happened and the guilty party, but in these times with most of us staying home we do have more time for speculations.

[Bay Kid]

When the police say stop you stop. You don't walk away and reach into a car. I feel sorry for his parents, but they should have taught him respect.

[Byte1]

"Best for the kids" - that's pretty judgemental.

Yes, it is. Isn't most of the posts on this blog, someone's opinion?

[Byte1]

Maybe he said to the police “I hear my three year old child crying and I need to check on her”. And he proceeded to the car. You and everyone else here doesn’t have all the facts. We need to see the results of an independent investigation.

Maybe the car was filling with water and threatening to drown his children, right? Or, maybe one was choking on some crystal meth and he was afraid it would all be gone before he returned? Could be that a demon was attempting to take control of one of the children and he was rushing to prevent it with a crucifix.
No, we do not have all the facts, so maybe it is better not to pre-judge the police also.

He had a record of felonies
He has a warrant for his arrest
He was violent and fought the police
He refused to comply with police orders
He reached into his car for....?

As a juror I would be inclined to give the police the benefit of doubt over the perp, until someone presents evidence that the police had evil intent when dealing with him.

[Byte1]

If you haven't seen Jacob Blake's mother speak at the press conference in Kenosha today, it's worth watching. She said that if her son saw the rioting and destruction of Kenosha, he would not approve. She said that all lives matter. She said we have to stop the hate, that no race is better than any other race. I was so impressed with her words, I wish I would have seen some of those healing words on the national news tonight:
Jacob Blake’s Mother Says Son Would be ‘Unpleased’ by Response to Kenosha Shooting – NBC Chicago (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/jacob-blakes-mother-says-son-would-be-unpleased-by-response-to-kenosha-shooting/2328318/)

And her son was an angel too. Wonder how much money ratcheted up on the "go fund me" page as she spoke. Harsh? Maybe if she lived her words, her son would not be a felon today and not laying in a hospital. Hope she is not raising his kids.

[coffeebean]

I hear what you're saying and agree we need to wait on all of the facts to come in. I will be disappointed if it's proven that Mr Blake fought with the police and ignored their commands while pointing their guns at him so he could check on his kids. I would hope that a parent in that situation would comply with the police immediately instead of escalating things into a deadly situation.

I think those in support of Mr Blake are hoping for something more supportive of his need to do what he did. I also believe that some of his supporters don't need anything else.

I don't see people on this forum changing their minds on this unfortunate event on either side. You either believe a person should always cooperate with the police or you believe that they're situations in which a person can justify the opposite. There's not much chance in changing someone's mind on such a subject matter.

I'm not an expert and offer no studies or facts to support my opinions.

What situation could possibly justify NOT listening to the police and NOT following their commands? That is crazy talk to think there could be a possible reason to not listen to the police. LEOs have weapons will use them if they are threatened.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

The whole key to this will be what he reached for and/or what did the police believe he was reaching for?

As Gracie says, a person's record has everything to do with the way that he's treated by the police. When police know that they are dealing with a multiple violent offender, they are going to be more aware and more on edge than when dealing with someone that has run a stop sign and has no record. They are more concerned about their lives and safety and may be quicker to react.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Maybe he said to the police “I hear my three year old child crying and I need to check on her”. And he proceeded to the car. You and everyone else here doesn’t have all the facts. We need to see the results of an independent investigation.

Or maybe he said nothing, open the car door and reached for a gun.

He had already resisted arrest, scuffled with the police and was tased. A person who continues to resist after being tased is a major concern to police. They are often on drugs that will give them additional strength.

Why don't we all stop with the "maybes" and wait until an investigation is done and we have more information.

Most of the trouble that we see in this country today is because of speculation, assumptions and "maybes".

His family has already retained civil liberty lawyers who have made speeches stating that this shooting was not justified. They have no business making those kind of statements without all of the information. There is a lot of talk about how this happened in front of his three kids. That has nothing to do with the facts of the case.

Just like in the George Floyd case, too many people are jumping to conclusions without all of the evidence.

[Red White & Blue]

She said that if her son saw the rioting and destruction of Kenosha, he would not approve.
She said that all lives matter. She said we have to stop the hate, that no race is better than any other race. I was so impressed with her words, I wish I would have seen some of those healing words on the national news tonight:


Bag full of BS! "He (my son) would not approve", rioting and fighting with cops. So what does he do - fight with cops.
This is begging to sound like a Rodney King scenario, "can't we all get along".

[Stu from NYC]

Maybe the car was filling with water and threatening to drown his children, right? Or, maybe one was choking on some crystal meth and he was afraid it would all be gone before he returned? Could be that a demon was attempting to take control of one of the children and he was rushing to prevent it with a crucifix.
No, we do not have all the facts, so maybe it is better not to pre-judge the police also.

He had a record of felonies
He has a warrant for his arrest
He was violent and fought the police
He refused to comply with police orders
He reached into his car for....?

As a juror I would be inclined to give the police the benefit of doubt over the perp, until someone presents evidence that the police had evil intent when dealing with him.

totally agree and now they have an excuse to burn their city and the business that provide them jobs.

When they file for unemployment would hope they would be handed a piece of paper explaining no unemployment due to their own stupidity.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Why are police shooting people at nearly point blank 7 times IN THE BACK? They couldn't be trained this way.

[Lindsyburnsy]

I don't remember George Floyd being armed, was he? I do remember seeing cops surrounding him on the ground with one of them pressing their knee against Floyd's neck while he couldn't breath.

[OhioBuckeye]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.

Good comment BAY KID! I'm not going to point my finger just at a black man or white man but when these people that get shot & don't do what the police ask they wouldn't be getting shot & this doesn't have nothing to do with BLM. It's Black Lives DON"T LISTEN. Then this brain dead black guy reaches in his car for something. What if he came out with a gun & shot this officer, would BLM burn the h _ _ _ out of their city & loot for this officer, NO. Do what your asked to do & don't be brain dead black person & walk away when you're asked to do something. Black don't know it but they're not going to win in the end. They're just making the Police harder & they're just getting fed up with these so called blacks doing what they want. Good for the Police & thank you for hanging in there putting up with all of this crap.

[nn0wheremann]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.
Hell’s Belles, even Marshall Dillon didn’t shoot until the bad guy drew a gun. These trigger happy murderers in blue are executing people for running away? Because the gunslinger cop thinks they might just possibly have a weapon? Last I heard there was no death penalty statute for running from a police officer, and it’s not a hanging offense to have an imagined gun. If the rule of law does not apply to police, the Constitution provides a SecondAmendment solution to “well regulate” them. And that is not a very good solution for anyone.

[Number 10 GI]

Hell’s Belles, even Marshall Dillon didn’t shoot until the bad guy drew a gun. These trigger happy murderers in blue are executing people for running away? Because the gunslinger cop thinks they might just possibly have a weapon? Last I heard there was no death penalty statute for running from a police officer, and it’s not a hanging offense to have an imagined gun. If the rule of law does not apply to police, the Constitution provides a SecondAmendment solution to “well regulate” them. And that is not a very good solution for anyone.

News flash, Marshall Dillon is a fictional Hollywood created character. Do some reading on the real old west, those sheriffs and marshals played no games with outlaws. It was shoot first and shoot to kill.
Only an idiot cop would wait for a known violent criminal, with an outstanding warrant for a violent act, to point a gun at him before drawing his own weapon. Police officers don't deal with choir boys, they deal with violent criminals who have no regard for the life of the officer or anyone else. Those criminals will shoot first and shoot to kill and if the officer wants to go home that night to his family he had better be prepared.
It doesn't take much brain power to understand that with this guy's criminal record, fighting the police and running to a vehicle where he is reaching for something they can't see that they are in danger. It's so easy a caveman can understand it, don't fight the cops, don't run, and don't grab for something they can't see and do what they tell you to do.

[dewilson58]

News flash, Marshall Dillon is a fictional Hollywood created character. Do some reading on the real old west, those sheriffs and marshals played no games with outlaws. It was shoot first and shoot to kill.
Only an idiot cop would wait for a known violent criminal, with an outstanding warrant for a violent act, to point a gun at him before drawing his own weapon. Police officers don't deal with choir boys, they deal with violent criminals who have no regard for the life of the officer or anyone else. Those criminals will shoot first and shoot to kill and if the officer wants to go home that night to his family he had better be prepared.
It doesn't take much brain power to understand that with this guy's criminal record, fighting the police and running to a vehicle where he is reaching for something they can't see that they are in danger. It's so easy a caveman can understand it, don't fight the cops, don't run, and don't grab for something they can't see and do what they tell you to do.




:bigbow:

[Taltarzac725]

Gunfight at the O.K. Corral - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfight_at_the_O.K._Corral)

People should read up on the OK Corral gunfight which involved a lot of back-and-forth between these gangs before the 30 shots in 30 seconds or whatever that actual number was.

And Wyatt Earp rarely fired his gun while a lawman. He did take a revenge ride after his brother was murdered and other brother shot.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

2 people murdered and a third shot and might have to lose his arm, as a result of the rioting so far. One person so far has been arrested for at least one of the murders:
a 17 year old white kid from another state who showed up with an AR-15, on purpose to create trouble.

But please tell me again how BLM is responsible for this?

[Stu from NYC]

News flash, Marshall Dillon is a fictional Hollywood created character. Do some reading on the real old west, those sheriffs and marshals played no games with outlaws. It was shoot first and shoot to kill.
Only an idiot cop would wait for a known violent criminal, with an outstanding warrant for a violent act, to point a gun at him before drawing his own weapon. Police officers don't deal with choir boys, they deal with violent criminals who have no regard for the life of the officer or anyone else. Those criminals will shoot first and shoot to kill and if the officer wants to go home that night to his family he had better be prepared.
It doesn't take much brain power to understand that with this guy's criminal record, fighting the police and running to a vehicle where he is reaching for something they can't see that they are in danger. It's so easy a caveman can understand it, don't fight the cops, don't run, and don't grab for something they can't see and do what they tell you to do.

Wow some people do confuse fiction for facts.

[Stu from NYC]

Hell’s Belles, even Marshall Dillon didn’t shoot until the bad guy drew a gun. These trigger happy murderers in blue are executing people for running away? Because the gunslinger cop thinks they might just possibly have a weapon? Last I heard there was no death penalty statute for running from a police officer, and it’s not a hanging offense to have an imagined gun. If the rule of law does not apply to police, the Constitution provides a SecondAmendment solution to “well regulate” them. And that is not a very good solution for anyone.

You should take a police training class to get a better idea of what the life of a police officer is like.

I have and one thing they put us thru is a simulation where you are chasing someone in your cruiser and he gets out and from a distance puts you in a threatening position.

They are trained at that time to take action against that threat

If you order someone to face you showing your hands and instead turn your back and reach for something that cannot be seen by the officers they are entitled to defend themselves.

They are not expected to stand there and wait until the suspect points a gun and shoots at them.

[manaboutown]

2 people murdered and a third shot and might have to lose his arm, as a result of the rioting so far. One person so far has been arrested for at least one of the murders:
a 17 year old white kid from another state who showed up with an AR-15, on purpose to create trouble.

But please tell me again how BLM is responsible for this?

These riots, burnings looting and murders by rioters are being orchestrated by people from all over by BLM, a terrorist organization. Authorities have not acted to stop these violent riots. It appears to me that this fortunately well armed 17 year old was brutally attacked by violent rioters and acted in self defense. He was prepared and knew how to defend himself with that weapon when he was violently battered, thank God, or he likely would have been killed or maimed for life by violent thugs. Jacob Blake shooting: Two shot dead at Kenosha BLM protests | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8665383/One-shot-dead-two-wounded-BLM-protesters-defy-curfew-Kenosha.html)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

These riots, burnings looting and murders by rioters are being orchestrated by people from all over by BLM, a terrorist organization. Authorities have not acted to stop these violent riots. It appears to me that this fortunately well armed 17 year old was brutally attacked by violent rioters and acted in self defense. He was prepared and knew how to defend himself with that weapon when he was violently battered, thank God, or he likely would have been killed or maimed for life by violent thugs. Jacob Blake shooting: Two shot dead at Kenosha BLM protests | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8665383/One-shot-dead-two-wounded-BLM-protesters-defy-curfew-Kenosha.html)

Will be interested to find out whether or not this kid had a) a legal Illinois ID, which would need to have been signed by a legal guardian or parent since he's not 21 years old, b) a legal license to carry in Illinois, which he'd need to possess the firearm while he was in his home state, c) a legal license to carry in Wisconsin, which he'd need to possess while in Wisconsin.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess he was lacking in at least one, if not all, of these permissions.

He showed up with a semi-automatic rifle, to what he knew would be a riot, intent on participating in a riot. He killed someone in that riot, and was arrested for killing them.

I'd say the police did the right thing by arresting this kid. Unless you think the police should have given him a gimme since he's white, and therefore "just being a kid?"

[santiagobob]

Major news reported a police shooting of a black man yesterday. Showed the black man refusing to listen to the police then reached into his car for something, then police shot him.

Why can't they just listen to the police for the moment. Now it is the policeman's fault. Bad kids.
Blake was trying to stop a fight between two women and when the police came he told them that now that you are here, you take over. He then went to his car to leave and for some reason the cops stopped him. He was not reaching into his car for "something" he was trying to drive his 3 children home. Then the cop shot him 7 times in the back, even in the wild, wild west in the 1800's ,shooting someone in the back was considered the most cowardly action a person could do to a person and was always called Murder. Also, what responsible cop would shoot into a car with 3 children in it. Bullets do bounce off any metal and can kill others.

[manaboutown]

Although it is very difficult to obtain information on Blake as it probably has been wiped from internet sources I managed to find that at age 29 he already had fathered six kids and had a long history of sometimes violent sexual crimes issues. An enquiring mind wants to know how many of his children were illegitimate, how many was he actually supporting and how many were on welfare?

There was a warrant out for his arrest. He was known to be violent and to have used guns to commit crimes. He was resisting arrest and reaching under the front seat of his SUV for what, quite possibly a handgun.

[manaboutown]

I don't remember George Floyd being armed, was he? I do remember seeing cops surrounding him on the ground with one of them pressing their knee against Floyd's neck while he couldn't breath.

Floyd overdosed on fentanyl. He was claiming he could not breath while he was resisting arrest leaning up against a wall.Medical Examiner Concluded George Floyd Likely Died Of Fentanyl Overdose, Court Docs Reveal | The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/medical-examiner-concluded-george-floyd-likely-died-of-fentanyl-overdose-court-docs-reveal?itm_source=parsely-api%3Futm_source%3Dcnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=082720-news&utm_campaign=position1&fbclid=IwAR3wdtpdt-9yW5VN9VHcChTrXzVahr76zEGvcITZVRtCYHmtSIrf3vfzXpQ)

[Mrprez]

The police were dispatched to the scene as Blake was in a place he was not supposed to be and took his wife’s keys and wouldn’t return them. If there was a fight, he instigated it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The police were dispatched to the scene as Blake was in a place he was not supposed to be and took his wife’s keys and wouldn’t return them. If there was a fight, he instigated it.

The incident with his ex-girlfriend (not ex-wife) happened in JUNE.

The incident with the police shooting him in the back happened this week.

It isn't even known yet whether or not the police even knew there was a warrant for his arrest, when they shot him. He was in the process breaking up a fight between two women, when the police arrived, supposedly in response to the fight between the two women.

Since they don't wear body cameras in Kenosha but only microphones, it isn't going to be clear what actually happened, or why. It will be the word of one black guy who has an arrest warrant on him, versus the word of police officers.

And since everyone knows black men who are wanted for a crime are incapable of ever telling the truth, ever, of course the police version of what happened will be considered as factual. Right?

[Mrprez]

Kenosha updates: Wisconsin DOJ says Blake had knife in car, names officer who shot him (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/kenosha-updates-wisconsin-doj-says-blake-had-knife-in-car-names-officer-who-shot-him/ar-BB18odF8)

You can also listen to the police dispatcher on a YouTube video clearly stating the reason the police were here.

Jacob Blake Initial Call And Radio Transmissions (Full Video) - YouTube (https://youtu.be/-JODtkzPRIg)

[Stu from NYC]

Blake was trying to stop a fight between two women and when the police came he told them that now that you are here, you take over. He then went to his car to leave and for some reason the cops stopped him. He was not reaching into his car for "something" he was trying to drive his 3 children home. Then the cop shot him 7 times in the back, even in the wild, wild west in the 1800's ,shooting someone in the back was considered the most cowardly action a person could do to a person and was always called Murder. Also, what responsible cop would shoot into a car with 3 children in it. Bullets do bounce off any metal and can kill others.

From what I have heard a lot more to his actions than what you are saying. However lets wait for the investigation to be sure.

[Bikeracer2009]

The incident with his ex-girlfriend (not ex-wife) happened in JUNE.

The incident with the police shooting him in the back happened this week.

It isn't even known yet whether or not the police even knew there was a warrant for his arrest, when they shot him. He was in the process breaking up a fight between two women, when the police arrived, supposedly in response to the fight between the two women.

Since they don't wear body cameras in Kenosha but only microphones, it isn't going to be clear what actually happened, or why. It will be the word of one black guy who has an arrest warrant on him, versus the word of police officers.

And since everyone knows black men who are wanted for a crime are incapable of ever telling the truth, ever, of course the police version of what happened will be considered as factual. Right?

Straw man fallacy; occurs when someone takes another person's argument or point, distorts it in some kind of extreme way and then attacks the extreme distortion as if that is really the claim the first person or group is making.

You make the argument that the people commenting on this topic believe all black men wanted for a crime lie and all police tell the truth. I have read through the comments and don't see where this has been claimed. I may have missed it though.

You state we'll never know what happened because there is only audio of what happened because the police don't have body cams. We have two videos and the audio. We also have witness testimony.

There are two polar opposite views being presented. One in which Mr Blake was the victim of racist cops or cowardly cops too afraid to wait and see what Mr Blake was about to do as he entered his SUV. The police should've been able to apprehend Mr Blake without shooting him. 7 shots were too many and proof the police acted nefariously or with racial hatred. Mr Blake was there with good intentions to prevent a fight and was leaving with his kids when he was attacked and killed by the racist cops.

The other view is one in which Mr Blake was a wanted man who fought with police attempting to arrest him on an open warrant and when that failed they tasered him and when that didn't work they pulled their guns as he ignored them and walked to his driver's side door and when that didn't work the cop pulled on his shirt as Mr Blake opened his driver's side door and finally when that didn't work, Mr Blake bent forward into the vehicle and the officer shot him 7 times in the back.

It will be interesting to hear the audio from the officer's microphones.

I have stated in past postings that the villages is the most racist place I've ever lived in. I've said this because of the number of times I've heard the "n" word tossed about and the time I read a post in which a black person was a crook or scammer because he was black and not for any other reason. Later to be proven a legitimate roofing contractor. A few other comments etc not worth going into. But I don't believe the comments I've read in this post have been racist. Admittedly I could have missed it. I don't think anyone is racist for believing Mr Blake acted in a way that lead himself down the path he chose. He did so with reckless disregard for the safety of everyone around him, including his children.

Show me racism and I'll stand with you to defeat it. Believing Mr Blake was wrong for what he did and the cops did everything they could to not shoot him is not a racially driven belief.

Calling someone a racist has become the trademark of someone that has lost an argument or when a person lacks the ability to articulate their view. When their view is not adopted they simply fall back on ad hominem. The term should be reserved for when it's truly proven and to shame the individual or organization publicly.

[manaboutown]

The police were responding to a call from a woman that Blake was unlawfully on the premises. He had been tased but continued resisting arrest. Blake had knife in car when Kenosha cop shot him: Wisconsin DOJ | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/blake-had-knife-in-car-when-kenosha-cop-shot-him-wisconsin-doj?fbclid=IwAR1LpD478RENk1rcaatjRjnziZ-WA1j5i6Z_H3yRvOvkC17zAzsC57uNcZw)

[Dahabs]

Floyd overdosed on fentanyl. He was claiming he could not breath while he was resisting arrest leaning up against a wall.

Sure, if you say so ...

[Dzurinko]

It’s funny how the media was saying an hour after the incident, that police shot an “unarmed“ man in the back. Was he unarmed?? No one knows 3 days later except the investigating officer and they refuse to speak about it until the investigation is 100% complete and the city is burned down! So why does the media use terms like “unarmed” when it hasn’t been established.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It’s funny how the media was saying an hour after the incident, that police shot an “unarmed“ man in the back. Was he unarmed?? No one knows 3 days later except the investigating officer and they refuse to speak about it until the investigation is 100% complete and the city is burned down! So why does the media use terms like “unarmed” when it hasn’t been established.

Because at the time he was shot in the back, he had no weapons of any kind in his hands. He might've had a knife in the car - but that would mean the car was armed - not him. He wasn't in the car at the time he was shot. His hands were empty at the time he was shot.

That means - technically, figuratively, legally, practically, sensibly, literally - that he was, in fact, unarmed.

They shot an unarmed black man, who had not murdered anyone, who was at the scene of an incident where no one was killed or injured in a shooting or stabbing, 7 times in the back.

Meanwhile, they arrested an armed white man who crossed state lines with an AR-15, who was known (by his social media pages) to be sympathetic to White Nationalism and Alt-Right terrorist movements, who had just finished actually shooting people and killed at least one of them, without shooting first. He was armed - with a semi-automatic rifle. That right there is the imminent threat. That would be the thing you "shoot until the threat ceases to be a threat." Not an unarmed man reaching into his car.

But they brought the armed murderer who was still carrying his rifle in. They shot the unarmed man who was trying to get into his car, with three kids in it.

NO violence against the armed killer. Permanent disability for the unarmed man wanted for unrelated crimes.

[Bay Kid]

Because at the time he was shot in the back, he had no weapons of any kind in his hands. He might've had a knife in the car - but that would mean the car was armed - not him. He wasn't in the car at the time he was shot. His hands were empty at the time he was shot.

That means - technically, figuratively, legally, practically, sensibly, literally - that he was, in fact, unarmed.

They shot an unarmed black man, who had not murdered anyone, who was at the scene of an incident where no one was killed or injured in a shooting or stabbing, 7 times in the back.

Meanwhile, they arrested an armed white man who crossed state lines with an AR-15, who was known (by his social media pages) to be sympathetic to White Nationalism and Alt-Right terrorist movements, who had just finished actually shooting people and killed at least one of them, without shooting first. He was armed - with a semi-automatic rifle. That right there is the imminent threat. That would be the thing you "shoot until the threat ceases to be a threat." Not an unarmed man reaching into his car.

But they brought the armed murderer who was still carrying his rifle in. They shot the unarmed man who was trying to get into his car, with three kids in it.

NO violence against the armed killer. Permanent disability for the unarmed man wanted for unrelated crimes.

He should have stopped, period. He appeared dangerous. He appeared angry. He opened a door and reached into the car even though he was told to stop. He had a long record including violence. His parents should have taught him respect to all, including the police.

The armed murderer had enough respect to listen to the police.

If you know so much you should be in the police shoes.

[Bikeracer2009]

Because at the time he was shot in the back, he had no weapons of any kind in his hands. He might've had a knife in the car - but that would mean the car was armed - not him. He wasn't in the car at the time he was shot. His hands were empty at the time he was shot.

That means - technically, figuratively, legally, practically, sensibly, literally - that he was, in fact, unarmed.

They shot an unarmed black man, who had not murdered anyone, who was at the scene of an incident where no one was killed or injured in a shooting or stabbing, 7 times in the back.

Meanwhile, they arrested an armed white man who crossed state lines with an AR-15, who was known (by his social media pages) to be sympathetic to White Nationalism and Alt-Right terrorist movements, who had just finished actually shooting people and killed at least one of them, without shooting first. He was armed - with a semi-automatic rifle. That right there is the imminent threat. That would be the thing you "shoot until the threat ceases to be a threat." Not an unarmed man reaching into his car.

But they brought the armed murderer who was still carrying his rifle in. They shot the unarmed man who was trying to get into his car, with three kids in it.

NO violence against the armed killer. Permanent disability for the unarmed man wanted for unrelated crimes.

So you're comparing the police responses to two different scenarios. One scenario a man fights with the police and the other scenario a man surrendered to the police with his hands up and complied with their instructions.

The police shot the one fighting and arrested the one that surrendered. The difference between the two men was one being black and one being white. It was that difference that resulted in the different outcomes and nothing to do with the choices these men made when the police tried to arrest them.

Got it.

[nn0wheremann]

"The media" is not a singular thing. IT - the singular thing that doesn't exist, doesn't "focus on specific incidents" any more than "The media" - any other singular thing that doesn't exist, focuses on specific incidences.

The category of "the media" includes all media. A spectrum of media that ranges from tweets on the internet to live coverage of disasters to National Geographic investigative 4-part report series on the reproductive cycle of arachnids, and everything inbetween.

Each will have its own perspective of facts, and each will relay those facts in a way that will grab the interest of its paid subscribers most.

Mainstream Media doesn't even mean anything anymore, OTHER than as a dogwhistle for the alt-right and leftist propaganda mills. It basically means "any form of media that is pushing an agenda that OUR agenda-creators disagree with."

White Nationalists will hate Ebony magazine, because Ebony magazine promotes topics of interest to black people. Ebony magazine will hate Stormfront, because Stormfront promotes topics of interest to Nazis.

The networks, ABC, NBC, and CBS, cater to middle America, because middle America are who watch those networks the most.

Once people get their heads out of their leftist, alt-right, nazi, racist, anti-male, anti-female, anti-pro-choice, anti-choice, anti this that and the other thing butt cheeks, they'll have the opportunity to realize that facts really do exist, and facts are not always conspiracies, and conspiracies are often wrong.

Til then, keep enjoying the bubble you've put around your head while living in the bubble. And remember that bubble isn't a mask. Please wear one when you go grocery shopping.

Thanks.
Agreed

[nn0wheremann]

You should take a police training class to get a better idea of what the life of a police officer is like.

I have and one thing they put us thru is a simulation where you are chasing someone in your cruiser and he gets out and from a distance puts you in a threatening position.

They are trained at that time to take action against that threat

If you order someone to face you showing your hands and instead turn your back and reach for something that cannot be seen by the officers they are entitled to defend themselves.

They are not expected to stand there and wait until the suspect points a gun and shoots at them.
Gee wiz golly, here I thought we were citizens of a free country with constitutional rights. No Gestapo here. When I worked for the police department the firearm was the last resort, only if good police procedure did not work. Those coppers were on a non-felony nuisance call, a public argument. If the supposed perp drove away, they had his vehicle description and could go interview him later, after they determined if a crime had been committed and a complaint filed. They needlessly escalated a situation that otherwise would likely have amounted to a little bit of nothing, a dispute over cotton picking matters.

[manaboutown]

From a video it looks like the knife the LEO were trying to get Blake to drop was a Karambit, a knife designed for fighting, especially close combat situations. He did not have a paring knife to peel apples for his children. Karambit Knives - Folding and Fixed Blades | Blade HQ (https://www.bladehq.com/cat--Karambit-Knives--2173)

[Byte1]

He fought the police, got away from them, he was tased with no effect and was reaching for a knife in his car when he was shot. Yes, there was a knife. The only point of criticism I have against the police is their poor marksmanship(he lives after seven shots). His record shows that he is a leach on society and he was breaking the law even being where he was. There was reports that there was also outstanding warrants for his arrest, but I don't have any reference to it so I can't be sure. I can see right now that every team responding to a complaint regarding a person of color is going to have to have a black police officer assisting, so that if there is a shooting involved there won't be any question about it being legit. Pretty sad state of affairs that today there is going to be violence and destruction every time a dirt bag is taken down.
The violence is being influenced/agitated and perpetrated by outside radical resources. Many of the cretins that are rioting are white anarchists or mercenaries paid to disrupt civil order. In the old days, when there was mass rioting, Marshall law would declared and any looters could be shot in the act. One such declaration and action upon a city would work as a deterrent for the rest of the U.S.

[manaboutown]

He fought the police, got away from them, he was tased with no effect and was reaching for a knife in his car when he was shot. Yes, there was a knife. The only point of criticism I have against the police is their poor marksmanship(he lives after seven shots). His record shows that he is a leach on society and he was breaking the law even being where he was. There was reports that there was also outstanding warrants for his arrest, but I don't have any reference to it so I can't be sure. I can see right now that every team responding to a complaint regarding a person of color is going to have to have a black police officer assisting, so that if there is a shooting involved there won't be any question about it being legit. Pretty sad state of affairs that today there is going to be violence and destruction every time a dirt bag is taken down.
The violence is being influenced/agitated and perpetrated by outside radical resources. Many of the cretins that are rioting are white anarchists or mercenaries paid to disrupt civil order. In the old days, when there was mass rioting, Marshall law would declared and any looters could be shot in the act. One such declaration and action upon a city would work as a deterrent for the rest of the U.S.

Well stated. Thank you.
:agree:

[skip0358]

Sorry but NOBODY deserves to be shot in the back at point blank range 7 times as was reported. Just wrong. JMO

[Bikeracer2009]

Sorry but NOBODY deserves to be shot in the back at point blank range 7 times as was reported. Just wrong. JMO

What if a person is reaching for a gun to shoot you 7 times in the face? Or, stab you in the neck?

Why is 7 times too many when the guy is still alive to shoot or stab you?

Without doing any research I can believe a person could be shot more than 7 times at point blank range and still survive.

I'll extend an olive branch by saying that I agree that watching the video is very disturbing and 7 shots felt like too much.

[Red White & Blue]

I'll extend an olive branch by saying that I agree that watching the video is very disturbing and 7 shots felt like too much.

We don't know the emotional condition of the officer at that moment.
Was the shooting officer the one that had the fighting confrontation with the assailant?
Was the officer angry at the perpetrator, was the officer hurting from the scuffle?
If we were in that officers shoes do we know how we would act at that moment, maybe shoot 8 bullets?

[Stu from NYC]

We don't know the emotional condition of the officer at that moment.
Was the shooting officer the one that had the fighting confrontation with the assailant?
Was the officer angry at the perpetrator, was the officer hurting from the scuffle?
If we were in that officers shoes do we know how we would act at that moment, maybe shoot 8 bullets?

It might depend upon how many bullets in his gun and is he guy still acting in a threatening manner.

[Byte1]

What if a person is reaching for a gun to shoot you 7 times in the face? Or, stab you in the neck?

Why is 7 times too many when the guy is still alive to shoot or stab you?

Without doing any research I can believe a person could be shot more than 7 times at point blank range and still survive.

I'll extend an olive branch by saying that I agree that watching the video is very disturbing and 7 shots felt like too much.

Too much because the shots were not well placed. Oh well, when adrenaline is pumping, accuracy is sacrificed.

[Byte1]

Sorry but NOBODY deserves to be shot in the back at point blank range 7 times as was reported. Just wrong. JMO

There are exceptions to EVERY case. If the guy was going to kill someone else, would you shoot him in the back to save them, or ask him to turn around and face you so that you could shoot him? Do you realize how fast someone can turn and put a bullet in you? If seven bullets did not kill him, what makes you think that you might have time to decide to shoot him once he turns on you? "DESERVES" has nothing to do with it. Maybe he did and maybe he did not. Fact is that he is shot and the COP went home to his family. Works for me. Chalk one up for the good guys. Maybe there needs to be more power put into the Taser. If they worked better, maybe COPs would not have to resort to lethal force. Of course, if the taser gave the guy a heart attack and he died, then the world would be wanting to hang the Cop for that too. Until everyone looks past the skin color, part of our country will always be against white Cops. Maybe we should just hire black Cops? After all, no one seems concerned that blacks kill blacks every day.

[billethkid]

There are exceptions to EVERY case. If the guy was going to kill someone else, would you shoot him in the back to save them, or ask him to turn around and face you so that you could shoot him? Do you realize how fast someone can turn and put a bullet in you? If seven bullets did not kill him, what makes you think that you might have time to decide to shoot him once he turns on you? "DESERVES" has nothing to do with it. Maybe he did and maybe he did not. Fact is that he is shot and the COP went home to his family. Works for me. Chalk one up for the good guys. Maybe there needs to be more power put into the Taser. If they worked better, maybe COPs would not have to resort to lethal force. Of course, if the taser gave the guy a heart attack and he died, then the world would be wanting to hang the Cop for that too. Until everyone looks past the skin color, part of our country will always be against white Cops. Maybe we should just hire black Cops? After all, no one seems concerned that blacks kill blacks every day.

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[manaboutown]

How to reduce police shootings: Comply with what they instruct you to do.

How to avoid prison: Don't commit crimes.

How to fight hunger: Get a job!

[Stu from NYC]

How to reduce police shootings: Comply with what they instruct you to do.

How to avoid prison: Don't commit crimes.

How to fight hunger: Get a job!

Doesnt seem that hard does it?

[graciegirl]

LivePD video of Malcom Quincy being shot - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=LivePD+video+of+Malcom+Quincy+being+shot&docid=608018093238191258&mid=EDBF2BD797C985785D54EDBF2BD797C985785D54&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)

[dewilson58]

LivePD video of Malcom Quincy being shot - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=LivePD+video+of+Malcom+Quincy+being+shot&docid=608018093238191258&mid=EDBF2BD797C985785D54EDBF2BD797C985785D54&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)




Can't respect the women & men in blue enough.




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[skip0358]

If the Officer feared for his life which I'm sure he did his back was to you. Several places to shoot to put and end to the situation period. One and done would have put an end to it period. I'm not faulting the Officer adrenalin rush I'm sure I would have picked a better spot at that close a range it was a big target!

[graciegirl]

If the Officer feared for his life which I'm sure he did his back was to you. Several places to shoot to put and end to the situation period. One and done would have put an end to it period. I'm not faulting the Officer adrenalin rush I'm sure I would have picked a better spot at that close a range it was a big target!

I understand what you are saying but in Police Academy, in a situation like this, you are told just slowing them down may be deadly. Tazing too.

LivePD video of Malcom Quincy being shot - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=LivePD+video+of+Malcom+Quincy+being+shot&docid=608018093238191258&mid=EDBF2BD797C985785D54EDBF2BD797C985785D54&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)

[Stu from NYC]

If the Officer feared for his life which I'm sure he did his back was to you. Several places to shoot to put and end to the situation period. One and done would have put an end to it period. I'm not faulting the Officer adrenalin rush I'm sure I would have picked a better spot at that close a range it was a big target!

Apparently when adrenaline kicks in most officers cannot hit the side of a barn with their first couple of shots.

That is why elite members of our armed forces such as Navy Seals practice regularly and can shoot thousands of rounds a month.

[billethkid]

Armchair intellectualizing what shoulda or coulda been done has zero investment in the reality of the participation...zero training (for most)...and zero on scene facts.

Like opinions, all entitled to their conclusions.

[xcaligirl]

The victim, Jacob Blake, criminal record as recent as July 2020 includes:

-Stragulation

-Bail jumping

- Assult

-Sexual Assult

-Domestic Violence

I doubt this was reported on MSM. 'This' being his violent criminal record.
Almost every one that has been shot, especially recently, have a rap sheet a mile long but nobody in the media wants to discuss it or even mention it.... Just praise the criminal and give him a funeral only fit for a queen or king

[Bay Kid]

Almost every one that has been shot, especially recently, have a rap sheet a mile long but nobody in the media wants to discuss it or even mention it.... Just praise the criminal and give him a funeral only fit for a queen or king

Main street media still praising this criminal for several minutes this morning and how terrible our police are. Our country is burning and the media is the gas can.

[DeanFL]

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hmmm - does this ring a bell? ACTUAL accounts of WHY? come out days after the UPROAR. Seems that EVERY ONE of these LEO>>>minority shootings are like this. Not saying that this is true, but not surprising. And not saying that 7 shots are justifiable, but what led up to the confrontation may explain (with facts) why the LEO had to take action. So many initial (and still now) news accounts are that he was an angel on earth - but yet another thug with a long rap sheet.

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WISCONSINPublished 1 hour ago
Kenosha police union gives its account of Jacob Blake shooting
A 20-second video shot by a bystander doesn’t show what led up to the shooting and Wisconsin authorities have given few details
The Kenosha, Wis., police union issued a statement Friday on the police shooting of Jacob Blake, an incident last Sunday that sparked protests and rioting in the city this week that led to at least two deaths.

Authorities have said Blake, 29, was shot in the back seven times by Kenosha police Officer Rusten Sheskey while being taken into custody. On Friday he remained paralyzed in a Kenosha hospital.

Video of the incident shot by a bystander set off violent nightly protests -- including Tuesday night's unrest, in which a 17-year-old from Illinois allegedly fatally shot two people and wounded a third.

In Sunday's incident, Blake was "armed with a knife" and "forcefully fought" with officers, putting one of them in a headlock, Brendan Matthews, an attorney for the Kenosha Professional Police Association, said Friday, according to Kenosha News.

State investigators, however, said Blake had a knife "in his possession," and it was later recovered from the floorboard of his vehicle, FOX 6 of Milwaukee reported.
Matthews said officers first tried unsuccessfully to subdue Blake with stun guns.

Blake’s lawyer claimed his client was trying to break up a domestic dispute before his arrest and he was unarmed at the time.

The police union statement added that most accounts of the shooting were "wholly inaccurate" and "purely fictional,” Kenosha News reported.


Kenosha police union gives its account of Jacob Blake shooting | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/kenosha-police-union-gives-its-account-of-jacob-blake-shooting)
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[manaboutown]

More has been revealed about this Blake and why the LEOs dealt with him as they did. He is a violent felon.

https://archive.is/YcYRU

WALSH: Before You Honor Jacob Blake As A Martyr, Read The Criminal Complaint Against Him | The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-before-you-honor-jacob-blake-as-a-martyr-read-the-criminal-complaint-against-him?itm_source=parsely-api%3Futm_source%3Dcnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=082920-news&utm_campaign=position5&fbclid=IwAR2lapUoXO1zVeJDC_vzvQ6cXv1U5Cx8W6fraDmeh d2BRzu_Zf1Zp4dnXwE)