If Floyd was white, we wouldn’t even know his name

[Swoop]

If you go by what is reported by the national news networks, you would assume that unarmed blacks were being killed daily by police, in numbers much higher than whites. Actually there were 13 unarmed blacks shot by police last year and twice as many whites. The media decides what they want you to hear. If Floyd was white, the national news media wouldn’t even have picked up his story!!

[billethkid]

Depends who is looking at it!

[Swoop]

Just when you think stupidity was getting better on TOTV. Another one comes along and removes all doubt. I think the almost 9 minutes of an officers knee on George Floyd’s neck was a huge part of the turmoil that followed. :MOJE_whot:
The exact same thing did happen to a white man. Yet there was no media coverage, no riots, no defund the police rhetoric. And clearly, his name is not widely known...

[Bonnevie]

I think the reactions to these killings bring to mind how all black men regardless of social status can recount times they were stopped by police for no good reason. what I learned at the gathering by the African American club held after the George Floyd incident, is that it's now "if" but "how old were you when" you were first stopped by police. Even Sen. Tim Scott has written about how he's been stopped and how he was called boy and the officer had his hand on a weapon. Per his account:He described several encounters with police, including one where he was stopped because the officer suspected his car was stolen. He described a similar incident that happened to his brother, a command sergeant major in the U.S. Army. And he told the story of a staffer who was "pulled over so many times here in D.C. for absolutely no reason other than driving a nice car." The staffer eventually traded in his Chrysler for a "more obscure form of transportation" because "he was tired of being targeted."

none of these recent killings has the Black person being shot been the most shining example of their race, but it represents the extreme of the experience that all have experienced.

It's easy for us to say just follow what police tell you....we are not victims of the discriminatory practice of "driving while Black". it doesn't happen just once in their lives, it happens over and over. Can you imagine how annoying it would be to be driving somewhere you need to be and being pulled over for nothing. how degrading that feeling is? now multiply it....the anger is pushed down until something extreme happens and then it erupts.

look how some people are responding to not wearing masks-- the outrage over their "rights" as Americans not to wear a mask. from recent article: "Armed anti-mask protesters gathered outside the Ohio statehouse on Saturday for a 'civil disobedience rally' guarded by armed militia and military veterans.
Ohio does not yet have a statewide mandate on wearing masks but several groups converged Saturday afternoon to push back on the requirements already introduced in several counties.Hundreds of maskless people crowded together outside the courthouse in Columbus to voice their anger, claiming a requirement for face coverings is an overreach by local officials." ARMED militia over wearing masks????

Yet we give no consideration to how Blacks feel when their rights are infringed upon routinely. They are expected to just accept their treatment and have to give talks to their children how to avoid being killed during a police stop, something I never had to do to my white child.

People point to the looting and I oppose that as well but I'm not entirely sure some of these armed militia aren't stoking that to cause violence to advance their own causes.

[billethkid]

Ask the rank and file black citizenry.....not the black criminals or the black jocks.

[Bjeanj]

The exact same thing did happen to a white man. Yet there was no media coverage, no riots, no defund the police rhetoric. And clearly, his name is not widely known...

Swoop, cite your source(s), and name of victim, please.

[soonerforever]

I think the reactions to these killings bring to mind how all black men regardless of social status can recount times they were stopped by police for no good reason. what I learned at the gathering by the African American club held after the George Floyd incident, is that it's now "if" but "how old were you when" you were first stopped by police. Even Sen. Tim Scott has written about how he's been stopped and how he was called boy and the officer had his hand on a weapon. Per his account:He described several encounters with police, including one where he was stopped because the officer suspected his car was stolen. He described a similar incident that happened to his brother, a command sergeant major in the U.S. Army. And he told the story of a staffer who was "pulled over so many times here in D.C. for absolutely no reason other than driving a nice car." The staffer eventually traded in his Chrysler for a "more obscure form of transportation" because "he was tired of being targeted."

none of these recent killings has the Black person being shot been the most shining example of their race, but it represents the extreme of the experience that all have experienced.

It's easy for us to say just follow what police tell you....we are not victims of the discriminatory practice of "driving while Black". it doesn't happen just once in their lives, it happens over and over. Can you imagine how annoying it would be to be driving somewhere you need to be and being pulled over for nothing. how degrading that feeling is? now multiply it....the anger is pushed down until something extreme happens and then it erupts.

look how some people are responding to not wearing masks-- the outrage over their "rights" as Americans not to wear a mask. from recent article: "Armed anti-mask protesters gathered outside the Ohio statehouse on Saturday for a 'civil disobedience rally' guarded by armed militia and military veterans.
Ohio does not yet have a statewide mandate on wearing masks but several groups converged Saturday afternoon to push back on the requirements already introduced in several counties.Hundreds of maskless people crowded together outside the courthouse in Columbus to voice their anger, claiming a requirement for face coverings is an overreach by local officials." ARMED militia over wearing masks????

Yet we give no consideration to how Blacks feel when their rights are infringed upon routinely. They are expected to just accept their treatment and have to give talks to their children how to avoid being killed during a police stop, something I never had to do to my white child.

People point to the looting and I oppose that as well but I'm not entirely sure some of these armed militia aren't stoking that to cause violence to advance their own causes.


healthpsychologyconsultancy.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/the-victim-personality/

[Swoop]

Swoop, cite your source(s), and name of victim, please.

Tony Timpa, google his name. You’ll get the local news coverage, complete with video, but no national coverage. But there were a few minor differences that make Tony’s story even worse...

[soonerforever]

Tony Timpa, google his name. You’ll get the local news coverage, complete with video, but no national coverage. But there were a few minor differences that make Tony’s story even worse...
Google will bring many results just like this.

[bagboy]

Swoop, cite your source(s), and name of victim, please.

https://www.postandcourier.com/georgetown/man-charged-with-double-murder-after-shooting-in-georgetown-county/article_af0c8d14-e652-11ea-be9f-7bdd219a1095.html

This double murder just occurred. Black man murders white man and his step daughter after traffic incident. It had to be all over the national news, can't believed you missed it.

[Bonnevie]

show me the statistics that say White men in nice cars are routinely pulled over by police vs Black men. As I pointed out, EVERY Black man has experienced this. I was attempting to explain how even though George Floyd and Jacob Blake are not exemplary people, what they experienced was an extreme version of what all Black men endure--thus the collective anger. In those instances, it's not a "victim" personality--it's people going about their daily lives being stopped for no reason.

I was so struck by the African American Club members at the anti-racism demonstration--these are very educated people many of whom had high ranks in the military and/or successful careers (after all they can enjoy living in The Villages) and when one was describing "the talk" they all had to give their kids, every one of their male members were nodding their heads. They talked about the difference between a white student going to the prom vs a black students. how the black parents can't sleep because they worry the kids might be stopped by police. can you imagine? students dressed for the prom have to worry about that.

[Red White & Blue]

Tony Timpa, google his name. You’ll get the local news coverage, complete with video, but no national coverage. But there were a few minor differences that make Tony’s story even worse...

. . . . . Tony Timpa

Thank you Scoop for bring this to our attention.
I think Bjeanj should send a memo to CNN referring to this matter....

[soonerforever]

Responsibility (to ones family, country, and society) has NO color....self victimization is a mental disorder that has no color as well.

[Swoop]

show me the statistics that say White men in nice cars are routinely pulled over by police vs Black men. As I pointed out, EVERY Black man has experienced this. I was attempting to explain how even though George Floyd and Jacob Blake are not exemplary people, what they experienced was an extreme version of what all Black men endure--thus the collective anger. In those instances, it's not a "victim" personality--it's people going about their daily lives being stopped for no reason.

I was so struck by the African American Club members at the anti-racism demonstration--these are very educated people many of whom had high ranks in the military and/or successful careers (after all they can enjoy living in The Villages) and when one was describing "the talk" they all had to give their kids, every one of their male members were nodding their heads. They talked about the difference between a white student going to the prom vs a black students. how the black parents can't sleep because they worry the kids might be stopped by police. can you imagine? students dressed for the prom have to worry about that.
Please, “driving while black” is the most perpetrated false narrative. Yet if enough people repeat it, it must be true...

[soonerforever]

Please, “driving while black” is the most perpetrated false narrative. Yet if enough people repeat it, it must be true...
So many people parrot what they hear on MSM like it is actually a fact.

[Bonnevie]

Please, “driving while black” is the most perpetrated false narrative. Yet if enough people repeat it, it must be true...

Are you kidding me? It’s happened to Tim Scott a Republican senator seven times. Have you ever asked an African-American about it? Show me anything that says it’s a myth other than the opinion of people who want to believe it’s a myth.

[John41]

If you go by what is reported by the national news networks, you would assume that unarmed blacks were being killed daily by police, in numbers much higher than whites. Actually there were 13 unarmed blacks shot by police last year and twice as many whites. The media decides what they want you to hear. If Floyd was white, the national news media wouldn’t even have picked up his story!!

You are correct. What doesn’t fit the media narrative doesn’t get reported. And what does get reported is distorted. Blake now admits to Wisconsin DOJ he had a weapon on the floor of his car, a knife, while he was reaching down inside his car. If the black community had a reputation for being law abiding, hard working instead of welfare dependents then there would be no issue with the police. Why doesn’t the media give attention to the successful blacks to create a more positive image?

[Bonnevie]

Race and policing in America: 10 things we know | Pew Research Center (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/03/10-things-we-know-about-race-and-policing-in-the-u-s/)

if anyone cares to read facts

[Swoop]

Are you kidding me? It’s happened to Tim Scott a Republican senator seven times. Have you ever asked an African-American about it? Show me anything that says it’s a myth other than the opinion of people who want to believe it’s a myth.
Plenty of people claim it. Luckily more police now wear body cams to expose the truth.

NAACP president in SC says he was racially profiled; body cam video shows otherwise (https://wpde.com/amp/news/local/timmonsville-naacp-president-says-was-racially-profiled-body-cam-video-shows-otherwise)

[Bjeanj]

Swoop, thank you for directing me to the news coverage of this arrest.

What this suggests to me is that police need to be retrained to NOT rely on guns or brute force for many situations. I don’t know what the answer is, but this has got to change.

[gatorbill1]

MSM would never try to stoke racial tensions now would they.

How did you ever watch MSM???? Couldn't find it on Comcast lineup.

[soonerforever]

How did you ever watch MSM???? Couldn't find it on Comcast lineup.

Cutting the cable is the cure for the affliction.

[John41]

Race and policing in America: 10 things we know | Pew Research Center (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/03/10-things-we-know-about-race-and-policing-in-the-u-s/)

if anyone cares to read facts

This is a survey of opinions not facts. The fact are in a 2019 Report by Michigan State University that I posted about a week ago. What you think are facts are just incorrect perceptions.

[gatorbill1]

Cutting the cable is the cure for the affliction.

When I checked there is no such station as msm anywhere MSNBC?

[coffeebean]

The exact same thing did happen to a white man. Yet there was no media coverage, no riots, no defund the police rhetoric. And clearly, his name is not widely known...

I would imagine he didn't have a funeral fit for royalty either!

[Bonnevie]

This is a survey of opinions not facts. The fact are in a 2019 Report by Michigan State University that I posted about a week ago. What you think are facts are just incorrect perceptions.

really? the Pew Research Center : Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping the world. We conduct public opinion polling, demographic research, content analysis and other data-driven social science research. We do not take policy positions.

but maybe this one will be more scientific for you.

Findings - The Stanford Open Policing Project (https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/)

[Lindsyburnsy]

If you go by what is reported by the national news networks, you would assume that unarmed blacks were being killed daily by police, in numbers much higher than whites. Actually there were 13 unarmed blacks shot by police last year and twice as many whites. The media decides what they want you to hear. If Floyd was white, the national news media wouldn’t even have picked up his story!!
There are more whites than blacks, so yah, there are probably more whites killed than blacks. Second of all, if George Floyd was white, he would have been treated to a big mac before heading to jail like the white guy that shot up and killed several of the churchgoers, but instead ended up with a knee across his neck for several minutes until he died. Nothing to see here.

[chet2020]

Tony Timpa, google his name. You’ll get the local news coverage, complete with video, but no national coverage. But there were a few minor differences that make Tony’s story even worse...

Dallas Officers Pinned Tony Timpa and Joked During Fatal Encounter, Video Shows - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/01/us/tony-timpa-dallas-police-body-cam.html)

Tony Timpa death: Dallas police body cam footage shows officers mocking a man who later died - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/us/dallas-police-body-cam-footage-captures-death/index.html)

Excited delirium cited in fatal police cases. Some say it's bogus. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/06/13/excited-delirium-cited-fatal-police-cases-some-say-its-bogus/3178635001/)

Tony Timpa death: Disturbing video shows Dallas police officers joking as they restrain man who died - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tony-timpa-disturbing-video-shows-dallas-officers-joking-as-they-restrain-man-who-died/)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

[louie34]

So true!

[Bonnevie]

[QUOTE=Swoop;1823796]What is racist, is the news media selectively deciding what stories you see, based solely on race. Again, if Floyd had been white, his story would not have made it to the national news outlets. Tony Timpa’s death was startlingly similar, but he was white. That’s why you never saw his story, or know his name!![/QUOTE

well, then you didn't look very hard: and this was from cnn, nytimes, washington post

Tony Timpa death: Dallas police body cam footage shows officers mocking a man who later died - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/us/dallas-police-body-cam-footage-captures-death/index.html)

Dallas Officers Pinned Tony Timpa and Joked During Fatal Encounter, Video Shows - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/01/us/tony-timpa-dallas-police-body-cam.html)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/01/police-laughed-joked-he-lost-consciousness-handcuffs-minutes-later-he-died/

[Red White & Blue]

Second of all, if George Floyd was white, he would have been treated to a big mac before heading to jail like the white guy that shot up and killed several of the churchgoers, but instead ended up with a knee across his neck for several minutes until he died. Nothing to see here.

Tony Timpa (a White man) was NOT treated to the funeral George Floyd got they both died the same way, WHY? :popcorn:

[soonerforever]

True

[coffeebean]

Swoop, cite your source(s), and name of victim, please.

A Google search found this......
VIDEO: South Daytona Police killed man with knee to neck, back, attorney says (https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/local/coastal-volusia/2020/06/18/video-south-daytona-police-killed-man-with-knee-to-neck-back-attorney-says/42193447/)

[Bonnevie]

Tony Timpa (a White man) was NOT treated to the funeral George Floyd got they both died the same way, WHY? :popcorn:

I would guess because there was no cell phone footage. The body cam footage wasn't released until much, much later. in fact the following from Dallas newspaper:

His mother immediately started asking questions — and says she found herself stonewalled at every turn. An acquaintance of her son's contacted The Dallas Morning News seeking answers.

The people who know most about what happened to Timpa — the Dallas Police Department — won't say.

The News has spent more than a year examining Timpa's death and fighting for public records from the city of Dallas and Dallas County.
Both have repeatedly blocked the release of any information about the police call on Aug. 10, 2016, citing a "continuing investigation."

But evidence unearthed by The News, NBC5 and lawyers for his family shows that Timpa, unarmed and frightened, died in the custody of police officers — as they mocked him.

So it looks like the big, bad, biased liberal media brought the story out to the public, long after the man's funeral.

[coffeebean]

When I checked there is no such station as msm anywhere MSNBC?

I've always thought MSM means Main Stream Media. No????

[Dgizzi]

If you go by what is reported by the national news networks, you would assume that unarmed blacks were being killed daily by police, in numbers much higher than whites. Actually there were 13 unarmed blacks shot by police last year and twice as many whites. The media decides what they want you to hear. If Floyd was white, the national news media wouldn’t even have picked up his story!!
Yes you are so right! Many white people get killed, rather criminals get killed. But do we riot! No cause if you do wrong , own up to it. If you run or fight the police you get hurt. “ They” always run and say “I didn’t do nothin’”

[Swoop]

[QUOTE=Swoop;1823796]What is racist, is the news media selectively deciding what stories you see, based solely on race. Again, if Floyd had been white, his story would not have made it to the national news outlets. Tony Timpa’s death was startlingly similar, but he was white. That’s why you never saw his story, or know his name!![/QUOTE

well, then you didn't look very hard: and this was from cnn, nytimes, washington post

Tony Timpa death: Dallas police body cam footage shows officers mocking a man who later died - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/us/dallas-police-body-cam-footage-captures-death/index.html)

Dallas Officers Pinned Tony Timpa and Joked During Fatal Encounter, Video Shows - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/01/us/tony-timpa-dallas-police-body-cam.html)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/01/police-laughed-joked-he-lost-consciousness-handcuffs-minutes-later-he-died/
Did you ever hear of Tony Timpa before I posted his name? Of course you didn’t. His story wasn’t on every news network 24/7 for days. There were no riots, no calls for police reform. No celebrities spoke out on his behalf. Please, the only similarity is they died the same way, the big difference was the color of their skin!

[Swoop]

There are more whites than blacks, so yah, there are probably more whites killed than blacks. Second of all, if George Floyd was white, he would have been treated to a big mac before heading to jail like the white guy that shot up and killed several of the churchgoers, but instead ended up with a knee across his neck for several minutes until he died. Nothing to see here.
Actually the officers involved in Tony Timpa’s death were never even charged with a crime. Could you imagine the outcry if that happened to the officers in the Floyd case...

[Red White & Blue]

Actually the officers involved in Tony Timpa’s death were never even charged with a crime. Could you imagine the outcry if that happened to the officers in the Floyd case...

Is this Tony Timpa tragic death case still open?
If no it should, In these pandering months we need to show and EQUAL-THINGS-OUT that White Life Matters also....

[Brandigirl]

https://www.postandcourier.com/georgetown/man-charged-with-double-murder-after-shooting-in-georgetown-county/article_af0c8d14-e652-11ea-be9f-7bdd219a1095.html

This double murder just occurred. Black man murders white man and his step daughter after traffic incident. It had to be all over the national news, can't believed you missed it.

Here is another story on this: South Carolina college student, stepfather fatally shot in head on front lawn over fender bender: reports | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolina-college-student-stepfather-shot-fender-bender-road-rage-driveway)

[Fredman]

show me the statistics that say White men in nice cars are routinely pulled over by police vs Black men. As I pointed out, EVERY Black man has experienced this. I was attempting to explain how even though George Floyd and Jacob Blake are not exemplary people, what they experienced was an extreme version of what all Black men endure--thus the collective anger. In those instances, it's not a "victim" personality--it's people going about their daily lives being stopped for no reason.

I was so struck by the African American Club members at the anti-racism demonstration--these are very educated people many of whom had high ranks in the military and/or successful careers (after all they can enjoy living in The Villages) and when one was describing "the talk" they all had to give their kids, every one of their male members were nodding their heads. They talked about the difference between a white student going to the prom vs a black students. how the black parents can't sleep because they worry the kids might be stopped by police. can you imagine? students dressed for the prom have to worry about that.

Show me where you get the evidence that EVERY black man has been pulled over by the police

[Newcomer]

Well said!

[Tom2172]

Actually no blacks were killed by police, that didn’t resist arrest and threaten police lives. Police face life & death daily in protecting the public.
Resisting arrest is the reason for shootings. It has nothing to do with race!
George Floyd died from massive fentanyl overdose!
But fakenews needed a narrative to motivate hate mobs
Propaganda brainwashing works
Free open societies, with Open discussions & debates are the enemy of the hate mobs. Mobs now are rampaging in cities bullying looting maiming

[Girlcopper]

show me the statistics that say White men in nice cars are routinely pulled over by police vs Black men. As I pointed out, EVERY Black man has experienced this. I was attempting to explain how even though George Floyd and Jacob Blake are not exemplary people, what they experienced was an extreme version of what all Black men endure--thus the collective anger. In those instances, it's not a "victim" personality--it's people going about their daily lives being stopped for no reason.

I was so struck by the African American Club members at the anti-racism demonstration--these are very educated people many of whom had high ranks in the military and/or successful careers (after all they can enjoy living in The Villages) and when one was describing "the talk" they all had to give their kids, every one of their male members were nodding their heads. They talked about the difference between a white student going to the prom vs a black students. how the black parents can't sleep because they worry the kids might be stopped by police. can you imagine? students dressed for the prom have to worry about that.
Grt off your soap box. Of course the african american club is going to have that slant on the issue. Im not bothering to post statistics. Look them up yourself. But more blacks are killed by other blacks than cops or whites

[LoisR]

If you go by what is reported by the national news networks, you would assume that unarmed blacks were being killed daily by police, in numbers much higher than whites. Actually there were 13 unarmed blacks shot by police last year and twice as many whites. The media decides what they want you to hear. If Floyd was white, the national news media wouldn’t even have picked up his story!!
Stop making excuses for egregious police behavior. How many "good "police officers do you know that have turned in "bad" police officers? Remember Serpico?

[Juliebythesea]

Yes! We may at stop the senseless killing of black people

[Nannyof3]

If Floyd was white he’d be Live

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

Please, “driving while black” is the most perpetrated false narrative. Yet if enough people repeat it, it must be true...

I was stopped, I was driving a nice car, asked me for registration and proof of insurance, I Complied with him, he said thank you Sir. Have a nice day and I was gone.... comply with the officers commands, don’t make sudden moves or try to hide anything

[greenflash245]

yes, daily.

[Bay Kid]

If he wasn't so full of drugs he might be alive.

[Bikeracer2009]

show me the statistics that say White men in nice cars are routinely pulled over by police vs Black men. As I pointed out, EVERY Black man has experienced this. I was attempting to explain how even though George Floyd and Jacob Blake are not exemplary people, what they experienced was an extreme version of what all Black men endure--thus the collective anger. In those instances, it's not a "victim" personality--it's people going about their daily lives being stopped for no reason.

I was so struck by the African American Club members at the anti-racism demonstration--these are very educated people many of whom had high ranks in the military and/or successful careers (after all they can enjoy living in The Villages) and when one was describing "the talk" they all had to give their kids, every one of their male members were nodding their heads. They talked about the difference between a white student going to the prom vs a black students. how the black parents can't sleep because they worry the kids might be stopped by police. can you imagine? students dressed for the prom have to worry about that.

You're wasting your time with people in the villages. I have tried myself to educate these people on the realities of being black in America. I described my own experience where I lost my drivers license when I was 17 because I got pulled over on a regular basis when I had black friends in the car. When I got back from the army I had a letter from the governor that said my license had been suspended for 1 year due to points. Luckily my time in the army wiped out my points.

I could describe all of my encounters with the police and it would shock most people. But on this crowd it would be a waste of time.

I also described in detail the war on crime and its effects on the black population. Millions jailed, privatized prisons etc, etc and nothing comes of it with these people.

Don't get me wrong. I think most of the people here are great. Even the racist ones are at their core, decent individuals because it's just their views that are racist. They don't seem to be the violent kind. They just believe that not breaking the law and cooperating with the police solves all the problems blacks face in America. This comes from their perspective and you can't change a person's perception of another person's reality if they're not willing to see the difference.

A person said that man came to her door and wanted to talk about her roof. Other neighbors were having theirs replaced etc and she said that this guy was a conman because of his race which she said we all know which one she was talking about but it would be politically incorrect to say it. She wasn't afraid of this black man because she went on to say she followed him around so she could warn her neighbors that this man was a crook and not to listen to him. It turns out he was a legitimate employee of a legitimate company that was in the area replacing roofs. This is the type of racism we have here. The non-violent kind.

The unfortunate aspect of this, is the use of criminals to show this perspective of black life. As you said, it's not the best of what the black race has to offer.

Be prepared for statistical arguments and logic if you bring up racism. No matter what you say it's not going to change the minds of people who can't see past the white world they experience.

[jammendolia]

it drives me nuts when people ask for proof or say I didn’t hear that. They think they know everything

[oldtimes]

It turns out he was a legitimate employee of a legitimate company that was in the area replacing roofs. This is the type of racism we have here. The non-violent kind.



Anyone regardless of color who comes to your door soliciting is not legit Good contractors do not need to go door to door soliciting on how to rip off the insurance companies.

[Byte1]

Interesting how it is the slimebag criminals that are the victims. Complaints of criminals being mistreated by the police, and using race as a tool? Just goes to show you how naive some folks (the protected) are when it comes to common sense. Sorry if I do not sympathize with the plight of criminals, regardless of ethnicity. Racial profiling is not the same thing as "systemic racism." Although, it does seem that WHITE cops are being racially profiled or singled out when it comes to implied misuse of authority. Police Depts. have their own Internal Affairs section that investigates bad conduct of their officers. The media and the average civilian has no clue as to what is authorized/practiced police procedure. I have heard ignorant folks ask why "warning shots" were not used, rubber bullets, and social workers instead of physical restraint or lethal force.
This whole thing went totally out of control after a certain person of power stated that "the police acted stupidly" when they arrested his friend a few years ago. Criminals are given way too many chances to modify their illegal, unaccepted behavior. Time to give them the same consideration that they give to their victims. And when a police officer gives an order, if the slimebag does not comply, he should not be given any second thought as to how civil he is treated.
In the old West, gun slingers were hired to clean up an out of control town. Once that was done, the gun slinger lawman was then run out of town because he was an embarrassment and a reminder of how impotent and weak the civilians were. Now, we are seeing the same thing. Defund the police because a social worker can do their jobs. What a laugh. What a joke. What a pathetic and stupid idea. LAW ENFORCEMENT is done by law enforcement officers, not social workers.
Floyd died as a result of an overdose, NOT by being strangled to death. Blake resisted arrest and attempted to grab a lethal weapon to use against the police and was shot. Two individuals with major crimes in their record. Two dirtbags that have resulted in civilians taking up arms and destroying property and killing civilians and police. These two are your champions for justice? Why choose the worst of examples? Why not protest the killing of a retired police Capt who was a GOOD example?

I agree that Floyd's name would not even be known if he was white. But, whites do not have any reason to believe that the police are automatically biased against their color. How do you convince a minority that the majority supports their equal rights but does not condone or advocate bad and unlawful behavior any more than they should? We do not convince anyone by destroying or killing.

Equal rights includes equal responsibility. Laws are not racist. Laws are the same for everyone, not based on color. That idea of laws based on color was destroyed decades ago. Some continue to state that blacks are incarcerated more than whites. OK, but answer one question; did those blacks that were incarcerated break the law? Does it really matter what the ratio of black to white population when it comes to the origination of the crime? Are we going to excuse criminal behavior based on the color of the dirtbag?

[Bonnevie]

[QUOTE=Bonnevie;1823824]
Did you ever hear of Tony Timpa before I posted his name? Of course you didn’t. His story wasn’t on every news network 24/7 for days. There were no riots, no calls for police reform. No celebrities spoke out on his behalf. Please, the only similarity is they died the same way, the big difference was the color of their skin!

true but as I explained there was no cell phone video. and the body cam video wasn't released until over a year later and only when the news media fought to get it. it would have been a very newsworthy story that police were on video joking while a white man died. but the death was hushed up.

[Bonnevie]

You're wasting your time with people in the villages. I have tried myself to educate these people on the realities of being black in America. I described my own experience where I lost my drivers license when I was 17 because I got pulled over on a regular basis when I had black friends in the car. When I got back from the army I had a letter from the governor that said my license had been suspended for 1 year due to points. Luckily my time in the army wiped out my points.

I could describe all of my encounters with the police and it would shock most people. But on this crowd it would be a waste of time.

I also described in detail the war on crime and its effects on the black population. Millions jailed, privatized prisons etc, etc and nothing comes of it with these people.

Don't get me wrong. I think most of the people here are great. Even the racist ones are at their core, decent individuals because it's just their views that are racist. They don't seem to be the violent kind. They just believe that not breaking the law and cooperating with the police solves all the problems blacks face in America. This comes from their perspective and you can't change a person's perception of another person's reality if they're not willing to see the difference.

A person said that man came to her door and wanted to talk about her roof. Other neighbors were having theirs replaced etc and she said that this guy was a conman because of his race which she said we all know which one she was talking about but it would be politically incorrect to say it. She wasn't afraid of this black man because she went on to say she followed him around so she could warn her neighbors that this man was a crook and not to listen to him. It turns out he was a legitimate employee of a legitimate company that was in the area replacing roofs. This is the type of racism we have here. The non-violent kind.

The unfortunate aspect of this, is the use of criminals to show this perspective of black life. As you said, it's not the best of what the black race has to offer.

Be prepared for statistical arguments and logic if you bring up racism. No matter what you say it's not going to change the minds of people who can't see past the white world they experience.

I realize that. I realize they don't want to consider other views. they want confirmation of their own views. most of the time I ignore it, but I'm tired of doing that. my silence is the equivalent of seeing an unfair situation and doing nothing. so though I know it's useless, I at least stand up for what I believe.

[jbrown132]

I keep reading all these posts and think back to when I was a kid growing up in the suburbs up north. We were all white and would be out just crushing around on Friday and Saturday nights and almost every night during the summer. We were teenagers. I cannot tell you how many times we were pulled over by the police for doing nothing. They would use some excuse as to why they pulled us over but what they were really doing was to see if we were drinking. I reflect back now and realize they were just going their job making sure we were not a danger to anyone else. When I was in my early twenties I was in California and got pulled over on my way home from work. It was winter and dark. One of the police officers stood behind my car with his hand on his weapon while the other approached my window. He asked me to get out of the car which I did and followed his every instruction. He asked me what I was doing there and I told him I was on my way home from work. After checking my registration he apologized for pulling me over but said my car matched the description of a stolen vehicle. So I can point to many times I’ve been pulled over and profiled because of my age. One thing though, I always did what I was told to do and answered them by saying yes officer, no officer and showing respect. Never had a problem by doing this.

[nhtexasrn]

Maybe the police stops have something to do with crime percentages by race. Do some research and you may have your answer.

[Byte1]

You're wasting your time with people in the villages. I have tried myself to educate these people on the realities of being black in America. .........blah blah blah.............



Sounds like someone is doing exactly what they accuse others of doing "...wasting your time with people in the villages." Blatantly grouping one demographic as being a certain way or living a certain behavioral pattern.

What makes certain WHITE folks believe they are the experts on "BLACK Americans?"

[quietpine]

What do you think should be reported in “national media”, please enlighten us?

[billethkid]

Sounds like someone is doing exactly what they accuse others of doing "...wasting your time with people in the villages." Blatantly grouping one demographic as being a certain way or living a certain behavioral pattern.

What makes certain WHITE folks believe they are the experts on "BLACK Americans?"

Please include:

What makes certain BLACK folks believe they are the experts on the majority of "Black Americans".

The current focus on the continual dividing of everything into terms of black or white is the epitome and hypocrisy of racism.

[MaxCat]

Checking our own unconscious bias . . .

When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

When I found I couldn’t change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn’t change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.

Conscious inclusion creates natural diversity…and it starts with a choice. Be inclusive…it’s your choice.

[Number 10 GI]

really? the Pew Research Center : Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping the world. We conduct public opinion polling, demographic research, content analysis and other data-driven social science research. We do not take policy positions.

but maybe this one will be more scientific for you.

Findings - The Stanford Open Policing Project (https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/)

It's still opinion, not fact.

[hipplepi]

media and the “white sissy privilege “ group will never bring up these facts. Who needs the Police?
answer: the bad guys!

thank God for second amendment

[oldtimes]

What do you think should be reported in “national media”, please enlighten us?

Just the news. What used to be a half hour of actual news reporting has become hours of show production to keep people tuned in to sell their ads. Opinions, discussions, dissecting, regurgitating over and over and adding their own spin along the way. They are not news reporters anymore they are entertainers paid to keep their ratings up.

[diane reynolds]

And what is the percentage of black people population wise in this country? Compare apples with apples.

[Swoop]

[QUOTE=Swoop;1823888]

true but as I explained there was no cell phone video. and the body cam video wasn't released until over a year later and only when the news media fought to get it. it would have been a very newsworthy story that police were on video joking while a white man died. but the death was hushed up.
The media chose to give us Floyds story 24/7 for days, they chose not to do the same for Tony Timpa, even though his story was even worse. The big difference was that Floyd was black and Timpa was white. The news media decides what you should be outraged about. If it was really about the police’s use of force, the Timpa story would have played 24/7 also. It’s not MAN dies that sells, it BLACK MAN dies.

[Denvercane]

Swoop, cite your source(s), and name of victim, please.

5 year old white boy who was murdered by a black man in his own yard. Can you even remember his name. Happened less than a week ago. No riot, looting or burning buildings. And please use the term "police" as if all of them are bad. My son is a police officer and regardless of your beliefs, he will come to your aid. He will put his life on the line for you. There are bad people in EVERY employment. But in the black world, there are more. Lots of reasons and most are self inflicted. Fatherless family is by far the leading factor. Black men as a rule don't take responsibility for the children.

[airstreamingypsy]

If Floyd was white he would still be alive.

[Byte1]

Checking our own unconscious bias . . .

When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

When I found I couldn’t change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn’t change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.

Conscious inclusion creates natural diversity…and it starts with a choice. Be inclusive…it’s your choice.

Inclusion into our American society means that one must be assimilated. Inclusion by itself without assimilation means that one resists being part of the whole. We have an American culture, not Polish, not German and not African. To be treated the same, or to be included as part of the American family, one must want to be assimilated into the American culture. We are Americans, not Polish-Americans, not German Americans and not African-Americans. Just plain Americans. And simple example of assimilation is black artists that sing country songs. They are not black country singers, just country singers. Country music is NOT a white thing; it's just an American thing.
Time to stop saying "a black man was killed by the police today" and just say "a man was killed by the police today..." The media and those wishing to separate and demean blacks, making them lower where they can control them tend to excuse their behavior when they violate rules, when they would not tolerate the same behavior from white folks. This is demeaning to blacks and makes them feel inferior. Expect the same behavior and ethics as you do with whites and they will shrug off the excuses, gain respect and become just as productive as the rest of America. To respect them is not to treat them special but to treat them with color blindness. And require the same from them. And some day all folks will treat blonds equal to other intelligent people. :icon_wink:

[Swoop]

If Floyd was white he would still be alive.
Tony Timpa was the white George Floyd - he’s dead. They died the same way, but there were a few differences; Timpa wasn’t being arrested for committing a crime and the police in the Timpa case weren’t charged...

[Mrwaynet@gmail.com]

Man you are killing me. Your post is so off line. Man if you can’t see the injustice going on in America right now then you are part of the problem. Black Live Matter. You are not getting it. Give me a break. I need to stop reading some of the comments on TTV because it just so racist. Unbelievable that people feels this way. We are such a divided country right now.

[dewilson58]

. Black Live Matter. .


All lives matter.


Also, when you capitalize each word in Black Lives Matter (assuming you did not mean "Live"), you are talking about the organization, not making a statement. There are a lot of issues with Black Lives Matter.

[jimjamuser]

I think the reactions to these killings bring to mind how all black men regardless of social status can recount times they were stopped by police for no good reason. what I learned at the gathering by the African American club held after the George Floyd incident, is that it's now "if" but "how old were you when" you were first stopped by police. Even Sen. Tim Scott has written about how he's been stopped and how he was called boy and the officer had his hand on a weapon. Per his account:He described several encounters with police, including one where he was stopped because the officer suspected his car was stolen. He described a similar incident that happened to his brother, a command sergeant major in the U.S. Army. And he told the story of a staffer who was "pulled over so many times here in D.C. for absolutely no reason other than driving a nice car." The staffer eventually traded in his Chrysler for a "more obscure form of transportation" because "he was tired of being targeted."

none of these recent killings has the Black person being shot been the most shining example of their race, but it represents the extreme of the experience that all have experienced.

It's easy for us to say just follow what police tell you....we are not victims of the discriminatory practice of "driving while Black". it doesn't happen just once in their lives, it happens over and over. Can you imagine how annoying it would be to be driving somewhere you need to be and being pulled over for nothing. how degrading that feeling is? now multiply it....the anger is pushed down until something extreme happens and then it erupts.

look how some people are responding to not wearing masks-- the outrage over their "rights" as Americans not to wear a mask. from recent article: "Armed anti-mask protesters gathered outside the Ohio statehouse on Saturday for a 'civil disobedience rally' guarded by armed militia and military veterans.
Ohio does not yet have a statewide mandate on wearing masks but several groups converged Saturday afternoon to push back on the requirements already introduced in several counties.Hundreds of maskless people crowded together outside the courthouse in Columbus to voice their anger, claiming a requirement for face coverings is an overreach by local officials." ARMED militia over wearing masks????

Yet we give no consideration to how Blacks feel when their rights are infringed upon routinely. They are expected to just accept their treatment and have to give talks to their children how to avoid being killed during a police stop, something I never had to do to my white child.

People point to the looting and I oppose that as well but I'm not entirely sure some of these armed militia aren't stoking that to cause violence to advance their own causes.
That was a great post! It showed a lot of empathy. As to who is sparking the looting - I saw one incident months back in, I believe, NYC. It was approaching dusk and the protesting was all peaceful at that time - the TV cameras showed a crowd scene - I watch one white guy about age 20 to 25 with no mask on pushing a cart. This cart was large and filled with fist-sized broken concrete rocks. He stopped it to the rear of the thick part of the crowd. He then LEFT it there and walked AWAY. I thought that was strange. And I wished that the camera could have followed him around. Did he move more carts of rocks? Was this a preplanned move by some(?) anarchy group? Later after dark, the store windows and doors for about 2 streets were broken and the looting began.

[Byte1]

Apparently, you are racist if you side with the police. The Blake incident is another case where the subject was a felon and was wanted in connection of three crimes. There was a warrant out for his arrest and the police had been radioed that information. He had a knife in his car and it appeared he was reaching for it. So, after being tased and ordered to stop, he ignored the police and went for it anyway. Maybe he had no intention of getting it and was just going to drive away. Maybe he should not have been shot seven times. That's for the court to decide, NOT an unlawful group of rioters. Protesters become felons when they burn down businesses or shoot people, including the police that were doing their jobs. There is NO excuse for civil disturbance such as we are seeing. NO ONE can excuse those people. If ordered to stand down, and they ignore the order, then they should be arrested and incarcerated. The racial argument has absolutely NO bearing on this rioting, destruction of property and murder. If there is a question as to the lawful shooting of a subject, the court has jurisdiction, not an unlawful group intent on committing more crime.

Floyd is the same situation. Only Floyd was not shot. He died of an overdose. Even if the Cop was instrumental in his death, the court has jurisdiction, not an unlawful crowd bent on committing felonies. That is why we have laws. The court is always the avenue for justice, not more crime.

There is NO systemic racism in America. That is only a political tool being used to change our country.

"There is a certain class of race problem-solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." --BTW

[jimjamuser]

You are correct. What doesn’t fit the media narrative doesn’t get reported. And what does get reported is distorted. Blake now admits to Wisconsin DOJ he had a weapon on the floor of his car, a knife, while he was reaching down inside his car. If the black community had a reputation for being law abiding, hard working instead of welfare dependents then there would be no issue with the police. Why doesn’t the media give attention to the successful blacks to create a more positive image?
Thinking the term, "welfare dependent" is by itself racist and demeaning. Blacks have had 300 years of being treated as 2nd class citizens. Is there no empathy in White people's hearts. Just being born White is NOT any accomplishment to be SSSSOOO PROUD of. After I heard Doc Rivers say, " why doesn't this country LOVE us back? - I felt some guilt about that. I see flaws in the "I was born white" and Blacks are all bad - type of argument. Sounds like some KKK wanta-be propaganda.

[rakopacz@comcast.net]

So I guess you don’t have a problem with cold-blooded murder by police officers? That’s acceptable to you? I don’t care whether they’re black or white that was murder and cops are murdering Black people at an alarming rate. Get real and stop making excuses for the cops that are racist.

[Mendy]

Tony Timpa, google his name. You’ll get the local news coverage, complete with video, but no national coverage. But there were a few minor differences that make Tony’s story even worse...

This is a horrific video and extremely sad. Absolutely no reason/excuse for the cops to act like this. This is precisely why people are enraged by police brutality.

[Byte1]

Thinking the term, "welfare dependent" is by itself racist and demeaning. Blacks have had 300 years of being treated as 2nd class citizens. Is there no empathy in White people's hearts. Just being born White is NOT any accomplishment to be SSSSOOO PROUD of. After I heard Doc Rivers say, " why doesn't this country LOVE us back? - I felt some guilt about that. I see flaws in the "I was born white" and Blacks are all bad - type of argument. Sounds like some KKK wanta-be propaganda.

If you feel guilt, then likely you did something wrong. "300 years of being treated as 2nd class citizens" is not my fault and I refuse to feel guilty for it. Of course, my family was not even here before the civil war. And I am of a multi-ethnicity family, so I guess I get a certain amount of leeway. I have never treated anyone wrong specifically due to their color or gender....... If I ever feel guilt, it will be only due to the act or negligence that has not been or ever will be related to someone's color. I was not raised that way.
So, with that in mind I still do not believe there is systemic racism in our country. But, after all the cities burn, due to dirtbags getting questionable treatment by law enforcement, and because some folks deem it to be due to systemic racism, it is likely that many normally sympathetic and decent folks will reluctantly view these activities with race based bias. Tear up my country and I have NO sympathy for you. And don't get me wrong, at least half of the felons burning down and destroying property in the videos I have seen are WHITE. Anarchists are the enemy of America and I have no tolerance for them. They can hide behind the "racism" theme all they want, but they are felons and felons do not deserve any slack.

Personally, I can see no reason that any of these politicians running the cities and allowing anarchists burn and destroy should get reelected. Letting civil unrest go by without consequence is unconscionable and they do not deserve a position of responsibility. If this was not an election year, none of this would be tolerated. I will leave it at that so that this is not deemed a political statement.

I see no reason for anyone on here to feel guilty unless they have committed a wrong on someone base solely on their color.

[billethkid]

So I guess you don’t have a problem with cold-blooded murder by police officers? That’s acceptable to you? I don’t care whether they’re black or white that was murder and cops are murdering Black people at an alarming rate. Get real and stop making excuses for the cops that are racist.

In the effort needed to get real, what is the "cops murdering Black people" rate VS cops murdering white (or any other than black) people rate?

[Byte1]

So I guess you don’t have a problem with cold-blooded murder by police officers? That’s acceptable to you? I don’t care whether they’re black or white that was murder and cops are murdering Black people at an alarming rate. Get real and stop making excuses for the cops that are racist.

That is an exaggeration. Blacks are not getting "murdered" by the police any more than Whites. If you would simply look up the FBI stats on police shootings in America, you would see that so many citizens are being duped by the media.
99.9% of law enforcement officers are great citizens and pubic servants. To demean them without justifiable proof is irresponsible and the media is irresponsible.

[tvbound]

You're wasting your time with people in the villages. I have tried myself to educate these people on the realities of being black in America. I described my own experience where I lost my drivers license when I was 17 because I got pulled over on a regular basis when I had black friends in the car. When I got back from the army I had a letter from the governor that said my license had been suspended for 1 year due to points. Luckily my time in the army wiped out my points.

I could describe all of my encounters with the police and it would shock most people. But on this crowd it would be a waste of time.

I also described in detail the war on crime and its effects on the black population. Millions jailed, privatized prisons etc, etc and nothing comes of it with these people.

Don't get me wrong. I think most of the people here are great. Even the racist ones are at their core, decent individuals because it's just their views that are racist. They don't seem to be the violent kind. They just believe that not breaking the law and cooperating with the police solves all the problems blacks face in America. This comes from their perspective and you can't change a person's perception of another person's reality if they're not willing to see the difference.

A person said that man came to her door and wanted to talk about her roof. Other neighbors were having theirs replaced etc and she said that this guy was a conman because of his race which she said we all know which one she was talking about but it would be politically incorrect to say it. She wasn't afraid of this black man because she went on to say she followed him around so she could warn her neighbors that this man was a crook and not to listen to him. It turns out he was a legitimate employee of a legitimate company that was in the area replacing roofs. This is the type of racism we have here. The non-violent kind.

The unfortunate aspect of this, is the use of criminals to show this perspective of black life. As you said, it's not the best of what the black race has to offer.

Be prepared for statistical arguments and logic if you bring up racism. No matter what you say it's not going to change the minds of people who can't see past the white world they experience.

"No matter what you say it's not going to change the minds of people who can't see past the white world they experience."


THAT sums it up perfectly.

[jimjamuser]

You're wasting your time with people in the villages. I have tried myself to educate these people on the realities of being black in America. I described my own experience where I lost my drivers license when I was 17 because I got pulled over on a regular basis when I had black friends in the car. When I got back from the army I had a letter from the governor that said my license had been suspended for 1 year due to points. Luckily my time in the army wiped out my points.

I could describe all of my encounters with the police and it would shock most people. But on this crowd it would be a waste of time.

I also described in detail the war on crime and its effects on the black population. Millions jailed, privatized prisons etc, etc and nothing comes of it with these people.

Don't get me wrong. I think most of the people here are great. Even the racist ones are at their core, decent individuals because it's just their views that are racist. They don't seem to be the violent kind. They just believe that not breaking the law and cooperating with the police solves all the problems blacks face in America. This comes from their perspective and you can't change a person's perception of another person's reality if they're not willing to see the difference.

A person said that man came to her door and wanted to talk about her roof. Other neighbors were having theirs replaced etc and she said that this guy was a conman because of his race which she said we all know which one she was talking about but it would be politically incorrect to say it. She wasn't afraid of this black man because she went on to say she followed him around so she could warn her neighbors that this man was a crook and not to listen to him. It turns out he was a legitimate employee of a legitimate company that was in the area replacing roofs. This is the type of racism we have here. The non-violent kind.

The unfortunate aspect of this, is the use of criminals to show this perspective of black life. As you said, it's not the best of what the black race has to offer.

Be prepared for statistical arguments and logic if you bring up racism. No matter what you say it's not going to change the minds of people who can't see past the white world they experience.
What a good, comprehensive perspective you give to this topic. I like the example of the roofing company employee. And a good understanding of TV Land. Keep up your comments. And thanks for the service.

[Swoop]

This is a horrific video and extremely sad. Absolutely no reason/excuse for the cops to act like this. This is precisely why people are enraged by police brutality.
But the media have twisted it to make it a race issue. They sensationalized Floyd’s death and ignored Timpa’s. One black, one white. The media feeds off ratings and race issues are good for ratings...

[coffeebean]

If Floyd was white he would still be alive.

Maybe. A white man would be more apt to listen to the police and not try to resist arrest. Intelligent people do not tussle with police and are smart enough to know that if you don't do as they command you to do, you get hurt or worse.

[coffeebean]

Tony Timpa was the white George Floyd - he’s dead. They died the same way, but there were a few differences; Timpa wasn’t being arrested for committing a crime and the police in the Timpa case weren’t charged...

From what I have read about Tony Timpa, he was "strung out" because he had stopped taking his medication which treated a mental health condition. He was scared and called the police for help. That is a very sad story.

[Bikeracer2009]

Anyone regardless of color who comes to your door soliciting is not legit Good contractors do not need to go door to door soliciting on how to rip off the insurance companies.


She specifically said

"It's politically incorrect for me to tell you what race he is but we ALL know what race I'm talking about".

How is that not racist?

She said he was a conman not someone violating a no solicitation rule. Maybe he was doing something wrong but why bring up his race? I guess his race helps to prove he was a conman or a scammer.

[Red White & Blue]

The media chose to give us Floyds story 24/7 for days, they chose not to do the same for Tony Timpa, even though his story was even worse. The big difference was that Floyd was black and Timpa was white. The news media decides what you should be outraged about. If it was really about the police’s use of force, the Timpa story would have played 24/7 also. It’s not MAN dies that sells, it BLACK MAN dies.
It has NOTHING to do with a Black man being killed its all about something we are not allowed to talk about on here.

[jimjamuser]

Interesting how it is the slimebag criminals that are the victims. Complaints of criminals being mistreated by the police, and using race as a tool? Just goes to show you how naive some folks (the protected) are when it comes to common sense. Sorry if I do not sympathize with the plight of criminals, regardless of ethnicity. Racial profiling is not the same thing as "systemic racism." Although, it does seem that WHITE cops are being racially profiled or singled out when it comes to implied misuse of authority. Police Depts. have their own Internal Affairs section that investigates bad conduct of their officers. The media and the average civilian has no clue as to what is authorized/practiced police procedure. I have heard ignorant folks ask why "warning shots" were not used, rubber bullets, and social workers instead of physical restraint or lethal force.
This whole thing went totally out of control after a certain person of power stated that "the police acted stupidly" when they arrested his friend a few years ago. Criminals are given way too many chances to modify their illegal, unaccepted behavior. Time to give them the same consideration that they give to their victims. And when a police officer gives an order, if the slimebag does not comply, he should not be given any second thought as to how civil he is treated.
In the old West, gun slingers were hired to clean up an out of control town. Once that was done, the gun slinger lawman was then run out of town because he was an embarrassment and a reminder of how impotent and weak the civilians were. Now, we are seeing the same thing. Defund the police because a social worker can do their jobs. What a laugh. What a joke. What a pathetic and stupid idea. LAW ENFORCEMENT is done by law enforcement officers, not social workers.
Floyd died as a result of an overdose, NOT by being strangled to death. Blake resisted arrest and attempted to grab a lethal weapon to use against the police and was shot. Two individuals with major crimes in their record. Two dirtbags that have resulted in civilians taking up arms and destroying property and killing civilians and police. These two are your champions for justice? Why choose the worst of examples? Why not protest the killing of a retired police Capt who was a GOOD example?

I agree that Floyd's name would not even be known if he was white. But, whites do not have any reason to believe that the police are automatically biased against their color. How do you convince a minority that the majority supports their equal rights but does not condone or advocate bad and unlawful behavior any more than they should? We do not convince anyone by destroying or killing.

Equal rights includes equal responsibility. Laws are not racist. Laws are the same for everyone, not based on color. That idea of laws based on color was destroyed decades ago. Some continue to state that blacks are incarcerated more than whites. OK, but answer one question; did those blacks that were incarcerated break the law? Does it really matter what the ratio of black to white population when it comes to the origination of the crime? Are we going to excuse criminal behavior based on the color of the dirtbag?
Well, that was well written and the point was beaten into oblivion, beaten to death. Of course, I disagree with all of it. I have just 2 questions or small points. 1) I know of a Police officer in Spokane, Wa. that agreed with my idea of rubber bullets for all officer carry, in addition to lead of course. Why NOT try it. What have they got to lose? And in this last incident with Blake, the Tasers did no good. It would have been a great situation for rubber bullets. The Police reputation among Blacks is shattered. They do not FEEL "served and protected"! Whites are apprehensive and are afraid of abuse in many Police stops. I know for a fact that in St. Pete, Fl. the Police would make money for their Department and had "QUOTAS" for making X number of stops. It was like a production bonus. There are speed traps in Okeechobee.

2 )Police, themselves, say they hate going to domestic disputes. They say, " We are NOT social workers". I agree with that and it seems like the Police are asking for social worker help.

[jimjamuser]

Checking our own unconscious bias . . .

When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

When I found I couldn’t change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn’t change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.

Conscious inclusion creates natural diversity…and it starts with a choice. Be inclusive…it’s your choice.
That was nice. I will try to act that way. Good advice.

[Bikeracer2009]

Sounds like someone is doing exactly what they accuse others of doing "...wasting your time with people in the villages." Blatantly grouping one demographic as being a certain way or living a certain behavioral pattern.

What makes certain WHITE folks believe they are the experts on "BLACK Americans?"

I spoke from my experience.

Straw man fallacy, I never said I was an expert.

[jimjamuser]

Inclusion into our American society means that one must be assimilated. Inclusion by itself without assimilation means that one resists being part of the whole. We have an American culture, not Polish, not German and not African. To be treated the same, or to be included as part of the American family, one must want to be assimilated into the American culture. We are Americans, not Polish-Americans, not German Americans and not African-Americans. Just plain Americans. And simple example of assimilation is black artists that sing country songs. They are not black country singers, just country singers. Country music is NOT a white thing; it's just an American thing.
Time to stop saying "a black man was killed by the police today" and just say "a man was killed by the police today..." The media and those wishing to separate and demean blacks, making them lower where they can control them tend to excuse their behavior when they violate rules, when they would not tolerate the same behavior from white folks. This is demeaning to blacks and makes them feel inferior. Expect the same behavior and ethics as you do with whites and they will shrug off the excuses, gain respect and become just as productive as the rest of America. To respect them is not to treat them special but to treat them with color blindness. And require the same from them. And some day all folks will treat blonds equal to other intelligent people. :icon_wink:
As I read the 2nd paragraph I see that ALL of America's racism problems are caused by Black "excuses". Then they are magnified by "the Media". Or maybe the Media starts the problem before the excuses? Either way, I assume that "blondness" will not likely cause future racism. Or maybe that was humor or sarcasm?

[jimjamuser]

Apparently, you are racist if you side with the police. The Blake incident is another case where the subject was a felon and was wanted in connection of three crimes. There was a warrant out for his arrest and the police had been radioed that information. He had a knife in his car and it appeared he was reaching for it. So, after being tased and ordered to stop, he ignored the police and went for it anyway. Maybe he had no intention of getting it and was just going to drive away. Maybe he should not have been shot seven times. That's for the court to decide, NOT an unlawful group of rioters. Protesters become felons when they burn down businesses or shoot people, including the police that were doing their jobs. There is NO excuse for civil disturbance such as we are seeing. NO ONE can excuse those people. If ordered to stand down, and they ignore the order, then they should be arrested and incarcerated. The racial argument has absolutely NO bearing on this rioting, destruction of property and murder. If there is a question as to the lawful shooting of a subject, the court has jurisdiction, not an unlawful group intent on committing more crime.

Floyd is the same situation. Only Floyd was not shot. He died of an overdose. Even if the Cop was instrumental in his death, the court has jurisdiction, not an unlawful crowd bent on committing felonies. That is why we have laws. The court is always the avenue for justice, not more crime.

There is NO systemic racism in America. That is only a political tool being used to change our country.

"There is a certain class of race problem-solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." --BTW
Reference to post # 75. I have seen systemic racism in EVERY part of the country from 1950 to today. I suppose some people do NOT want to see it?

[oldtimes]

She specifically said

"It's politically incorrect for me to tell you what race he is but we ALL know what race I'm talking about".

How is that not racist?

She said he was a conman not someone violating a no solicitation rule. Maybe he was doing something wrong but why bring up his race? I guess his race helps to prove he was a conman or a scammer.

I didn't say it wasn't racist I just said it was a scam. I honestly don't care what color people are I have friends of all races but a conman is a conman. So you are also making unjust presumptions about me.

[perrjojo]

I worked with a black woman in a very prestigious position. She had teenage boys. Her number one rule for her boys was if there are guns at a party you must leave. Do all parents have this worry today?

[Bonnevie]

I still say Blake could have been brought down while walking around the car with a well placed billy club hit behind the knees. that's how they did it in my father's time and it's how British police still do it. but once the guns are out, the chance of something happening like it did go up exponentially.

[RedBoneJones]

If you go by what is reported by the national news networks, you would assume that unarmed blacks were being killed daily by police, in numbers much higher than whites. Actually there were 13 unarmed blacks shot by police last year and twice as many whites. The media decides what they want you to hear. If Floyd was white, the national news media wouldn’t even have picked up his story!!

Percentages of whites in the US 72%. Percentages of Blacks in the US 13.4%. Now run those numbers.

[particle]

All this conversation was happening at a African American SOCIAL club? Interesting!

[Swoop]

Percentages of whites in the US 72%. Percentages of Blacks in the US 13.4%. Now run those numbers.
Black males make up 6% of the population, yet commit over 50% of the murders in this country. You can’t just look at the raw population numbers. If you look at the crime statistics, white criminals are actually killed by police at a disproportionately higher rate than black criminals...

[Yjacket74]

Do you know of any white person who has had 3 police officers hold him/her on the ground with one of them putting their weight on their neck, choking them, for 8 minutes and 46 seconds? Have you heard of any white person who has been shot in the back 7 times by a police officer? If you have, let me know. Otherwise, you have no justification in wondering why killing of blacks by police officers in this manner are widely reported! What I can’t understand is...Why haven’t the police learned not to use these extreme measures?