Update on shooting of Jacob Blake III

[holger danske]

So it has been 6 days since Jacob Blake III was shot in Kenosha and a lot of the” fog of war” has cleared on the “incident”. And a little update is in order.
We now know that that police were responding to a 911 call from that location from a woman who said Blake was at her home and he was not supposed to be there and that he had taken her property. Responding officers were also informed by the dispatcher that the subject (Blake) had a 99 on him, a wanted or outstanding warrant.
Additional video has emerged from the passenger side of his car showing him “scuffling” with 3 police officers. While the video is shaky a lawyer from the police union said Blake put one of the officers in a headlock and that 2 of the officers fired their tasers in unsuccessful attempts to subdue him.
Blake then broke free from the police and video taken from the driver’s side shows him walking rapidly around the front of the car with a knife in his left hand (he subsequently admitted to police that he possessed a knife). The individual taking the video told police and the press that he heard the officers repeatedly order Blake to “drop the knife”. Blake disregarded their commands and proceeded to open the driver’s car door. A police officer identified as PO Rusten Sheskey attempted to prevent Blake from entering or reaching into the car by pulling on his shirt. Having failed in that attempt Sheskey fired 7 rounds from his handgun, striking Blake 4 times. A knife was recovered from the floor of the car.
An early report that Blake was acting as a “peacemaker” in a dispute between 2 women now appears to be untrue but that has not prevented the media from continuing to promulgate it in an effort to shape the narrative.
The outstanding warrant stemmed from a May 3rd incident involving Blake’s ex-girlfriend with whom he has 3 of his 6 children where it is alleged that he entered her home at 6 am and sexually abused her in the presence of at least one of their children (if you want the specifics of what he is accused of doing I suggest you look at the NY Post archives). The other 3 children I speculate were the ones left in his car while he violated the order protection. You know the ones the media characterize as being traumatized from watching their father being shot.
So there you have it. Kenosha police responded to a domestic incident, involving an armed wanted man who refused to be arrested, physically attacked a least one officer, ignored several verbal commands, and after several unsuccessful non-lethal attempts to subdue him were finally forced to take him down with lethal force.
The officers went home that night to their families bruised but alive. As it should be. I pray sensible prosecutors find this was a good shoot and don’t succumb to the clamor of race hustlers like Crump and Jackson.

[Mendy]

So it has been 6 days since Jacob Blake III was shot in Kenosha and a lot of the” fog of war” has cleared on the “incident”. And a little update is in order.
We now know that that police were responding to a 911 call from that location from a woman who said Blake was at her home and he was not supposed to be there and that he had taken her property. Responding officers were also informed by the dispatcher that the subject (Blake) had a 99 on him, a wanted or outstanding warrant.
Additional video has emerged from the passenger side of his car showing him “scuffling” with 3 police officers. While the video is shaky a lawyer from the police union said Blake put one of the officers in a headlock and that 2 of the officers fired their tasers in unsuccessful attempts to subdue him.
Blake then broke free from the police and video taken from the driver’s side shows him walking rapidly around the front of the car with a knife in his left hand (he subsequently admitted to police that he possessed a knife). The individual taking the video told police and the press that he heard the officers repeatedly order Blake to “drop the knife”. Blake disregarded their commands and proceeded to open the driver’s car door. A police officer identified as PO Rusten Sheskey attempted to prevent Blake from entering or reaching into the car by pulling on his shirt. Having failed in that attempt Sheskey fired 7 rounds from his handgun, striking Blake 4 times. A knife was recovered from the floor of the car.
An early report that Blake was acting as a “peacemaker” in a dispute between 2 women now appears to be untrue but that has not prevented the media from continuing to promulgate it in an effort to shape the narrative.
The outstanding warrant stemmed from a May 3rd incident involving Blake’s ex-girlfriend with whom he has 3 of his 6 children where it is alleged that he entered her home at 6 am and sexually abused her in the presence of at least one of their children (if you want the specifics of what he is accused of doing I suggest you look at the NY Post archives). The other 3 children I speculate were the ones left in his car while he violated the order protection. You know the ones the media characterize as being traumatized from watching their father being shot.
So there you have it. Kenosha police responded to a domestic incident, involving an armed wanted man who refused to be arrested, physically attacked a least one officer, ignored several verbal commands, and after several unsuccessful non-lethal attempts to subdue him were finally forced to take him down with lethal force.
The officers went home that night to their families bruised but alive. As it should be. I pray sensible prosecutors find this was a good shoot and don’t succumb to the clamor of race hustlers like Crump and Jackson.

There are at least 2 sides to every story. Hopefully the truth comes out soon.

Updates From Kenosha, Wisconsin Following Jacob Blake Shooting : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2020/08/29/907384488/updates-from-kenosha-wisconsin-following-jacob-blake-shooting)

[John41]

Thanks for the update. Looks like the police will be cleared of any wrongdoing as they should. I hope the suspended officers receive full pay. They have a tough job being second guessed by armchair quarterbacks.

[Viperguy]

They will be prosecuted in the court of public opinion. They may be exonerated but their personal lives will be affected for the rest of their lives. The media simply does not care, it doesn't fit their agenda.

[Bay Kid]

Another media, that hates America, false story. Another life long criminal being put forth as a hero by the media, that hates America. Another policeman being destroyed by the media, that hates America.

Such a shame.

[coffeebean]

AND........given this information, the protesting, rioting, looting and destruction still goes on. What will it take for these protestors and thugs to realize their agenda has been shattered?

Another pillar of the community LEO had to deal with.

[oldtimes]

Another media, that hates America, false story. Another life long criminal being put forth as a hero by the media, that hates America. Another policeman being destroyed by the media, that hates America.

Such a shame.

The media doesn't hate America they love money. They will say and do whatever it takes to get the highest ratings which makes them money. It's not news anymore it's drama.

[dewilson58]

shows him walking rapidly around the front of the car with a knife in his left hand



A knife was recovered from the floor of the car.



Two blades??

[Dana1963]

And you were there when this happened or just repeating OTHERS OPINIONS?
Since police didn’t have body cams yet we have only seen cell phone accounts. Even I think 7 automatic pistol shots in the BACK are excessive at point blank range.
But then again I wasn’t there.

[manaboutown]

I found more. WALSH: Before You Honor Jacob Blake As A Martyr, Read The Criminal Complaint Against Him | The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-before-you-honor-jacob-blake-as-a-martyr-read-the-criminal-complaint-against-him?itm_source=parsely-api%3Futm_source%3Dcnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=082920-news&utm_campaign=position5&fbclid=IwAR2lapUoXO1zVeJDC_vzvQ6cXv1U5Cx8W6fraDmeh d2BRzu_Zf1Zp4dnXwE)

The actual complaint: https://archive.is/YcYRU

[alwann]

Right or wrong, this I don't understand. Why did it take 7 shots, four hits, to subdue this guy? Four hits and yet he survived. Was the officer firing a .22? Was he poorly trained in arms?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

One of the things that is unclear is if he was hit by a taser.

A taser will bring down pretty much anyone except people who are high on meth and similar substances. Some drugs give their users super human strength. If a cop tases a suspect and they don't go down, the cop should be very afraid.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Right or wrong, this I don't understand. Why did it take 7 shots, four hits, to subdue this guy? Four hits and yet he survived. Was the officer firing a .22? Was he poorly trained in arms?

Unless you've been in that kind of situation or have some training with handguns, you can't understand how difficult it is to hit a moving target even at point blank range.

The officer was wrestling with the guy. The guy was moving all over the place and possible grabbing for the gun. It doesn't take much movement for a bullet to be sent off line.

There were three misses. Some of those four hits may have consisted of scrapes in the arms or legs.

Training says that you keep shooting until the person goes down. I would not have an opinion until I know exactly where the wounds are.

[graciegirl]

Yesterday, closer to home, Daytona Beach, Volusia County. Officers attempt to serve warrant to a man named Michael Harris who allegedly had shot a woman in the back...

See here;

"He tried to murder these police officers": Suspect killed, officer injured in Daytona Beach shootout (https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/he-tried-to-murder-these-police-officers-suspect-killed-officer-injured-in-daytona-beach-shootout?fbclid=IwAR3wPs5Rws-G6ZPZNWUqlD9Zty7-MfSHaNU4by1FtgWDB8XxeclJpWqRceY)

[Stu from NYC]

Your very first post in a forum for Villagers isn't asking how to get to something in the Villages. It's not asking about white crosses on the lawns. It's not about golf carts, or entertainment, or why people like this or that neighborhood.

It's about how a black guy was absolutely definitely a criminal and deserved to be shot by a cop at point-blank range. It was giving us information without citing any source at all.

What's the source? Which news report, which police report, did you get this information from?

From various reports I have read this rings true to me, the police were in fear for their well being and took action which escalated as nothing else stopped the guy.

[holger danske]

One of the things that is unclear is if he was hit by a taser.

A taser will bring down pretty much anyone except people who are high on meth and similar substances. Some drugs give their users super human strength. If a cop tases a suspect and they don't go down, the cop should be very afraid.

Yeah, I too am interested in what Blake's toxicology report reveals. His actions were clearly not those of a lucid man.

[Stu from NYC]

Unless you've been in that kind of situation or have some training with handguns, you can't understand how difficult it is to hit a moving target even at point blank range.

The officer was wrestling with the guy. The guy was moving all over the place and possible grabbing for the gun. It doesn't take much movement for a bullet to be sent off line.

There were three misses. Some of those four hits may have consisted of scrapes in the arms or legs.

Training says that you keep shooting until the person goes down. I would not have an opinion until I know exactly where the wounds are.

And with high doses of adrenaline in the officer from this action hard to shoot straight.

[graciegirl]

This is what I wrote on my Facebook page;
"Sometimes I put up strong posts for a minute or two and then take them down. I had posted one of little children that had signs saying "**** the Police". This issue to me is more than mildly upsetting. If we cannot have a strong police force to protect us, we are indeed lost. This doesn't directly affect me, my family or my friends because they do not break the law. Somewhere off in the ether someone has decided that there should be a movement supposedly that is anti-racist, of course, a very good thing. However it is affecting this country in a very negative way for good reason. While no one was looking, as the information highway roared with life, we all were becoming a lot more aware of racial bias and it was dying. Now that we have this new movement we have a lot of elements of hatred. You can call it anything you want but no one should be taunted for saying ALL LIVES MATTER. They do. We do not CHOOSE to be black or white, straight or gay but we do choose to be nasty and ugly and to act superior. If someone breaks the law, they are WRONG. I am 80 years old and have known a lot of people and I say if you work and save and follow the law, you will have fewer difficulties with everything. The police aren't the problem."

[Stu from NYC]

This is what I wrote on my Facebook page;
"Sometimes I put up strong posts for a minute or two and then take them down. I had posted one of little children that had signs saying "**** the Police". This issue to me is more than mildly upsetting. If we cannot have a strong police force to protect us, we are indeed lost. This doesn't directly affect me, my family or my friends because they do not break the law. Somewhere off in the ether someone has decided that there should be a movement supposedly that is anti-racist, of course, a very good thing. However it is affecting this country in a very negative way for good reason. While no one was looking, as the information highway roared with life, we all were becoming a lot more aware of racial bias and it was dying. Now that we have this new movement we have a lot of elements of hatred. You can call it anything you want but no one should be taunted for saying ALL LIVES MATTER. They do. We do not CHOOSE to be black or white, straight or gay but we do choose to be nasty and ugly and to act superior. If someone breaks the law, they are WRONG. I am 80 years old and have known a lot of people and I say if you work and save and follow the law, you will have fewer difficulties with everything. The police aren't the problem."

Agreed.

It amazes me that when I write on a fb page that starts with blm, that I think that if blm matters all lives should matter and I get criticized big time for feeling that way.

As a result I do not post on those threads and have unfriended a number of people based on their response.

[Bucco]

Agreed.

It amazes me that when I write on a fb page that starts with blm, that I think that if blm matters all lives should matter and I get criticized big time for feeling that way.

As a result I do not post on those threads and have unfriended a number of people based on their response.

My suggestion....just me....

Get off Facebook, and try real reality.

I am pro police..always have been. Skin color means nothing to me.

My opinion...folks on social media are being brainwashed.

What is happening on the streets is not what you are told. A scene shown last week and sent throughout the world was from Spain, but shown as our country.

Agitators are shown as protestors.

Just be careful

[Number 10 GI]

Yesterday, closer to home, Daytona Beach, Volusia County. Officers attempt to serve warrant to a man named Michael Harris who allegedly had shot a woman in the back...

See here;

"He tried to murder these police officers": Suspect killed, officer injured in Daytona Beach shootout (https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/he-tried-to-murder-these-police-officers-suspect-killed-officer-injured-in-daytona-beach-shootout?fbclid=IwAR3wPs5Rws-G6ZPZNWUqlD9Zty7-MfSHaNU4by1FtgWDB8XxeclJpWqRceY)

It never fails, some moron family member totally overlooking a criminal record a yard long of violent crimes, and claims the perp was a good father, uncle, cousin, brother, husband, or whatever even after he tries to murder two police officers.

"He belongs to a family who loved him dearly, in spite of his flaws. When it comes to him, what happened to him is wrong," said his cousin Victoria Williams. "I'm not justifying whatever happened and prayers go to his family as well, but regardless my cousin didn't deserve to die."

He brought this upon himself, had he surrendered there would have been no shooting but when he started shooting what were the officer to do? Oh silly me I forgot, they should called for a social worker.

[Bucco]

Right or wrong, this I don't understand. Why did it take 7 shots, four hits, to subdue this guy? Four hits and yet he survived. Was the officer firing a .22? Was he poorly trained in arms?

Why police shoot so many times to bring down a suspect - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/us/why-police-shoot-so-many-rounds-trnd/index.html)

"The "textbook answer" is that officers fire until they've terminated a threat, according to Seth Stoughton, an associate professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law who studies policing.
Officers use deadly force on a suspect they perceive to be an imminent threat of death or bodily harm to the officers or others. In training, police are told to use force until that person no longer presents a threat, Stoughton said."

These threats to police officers, while posts on this forum might indicate to be new and original, have been going on for many years.....well, since any policing began.

We just have to learn not to create chaos, as we are pushed to do.

Protestors are just fine.....riots never ever have been considered anything but lawlessness.

Why posts on here need to jump on one side or another is well beyond me, because who in the world are you speaking to. Even the most energetic protestor you can find will be anti rioting. Why does there even exist a question as to why they exist......they are not always, but mostly from outside agitators yet we never criticize them.

Police need no defense.....someday, we have to discuss this rationally and without creating sides

[Stu from NYC]

My suggestion....just me....

Get off Facebook, and try real reality.

I am pro police..always have been. Skin color means nothing to me.

My opinion...folks on social media are being brainwashed.

What is happening on the streets is not what you are told. A scene shown last week and sent throughout the world was from Spain, but shown as our country.

Agitators are shown as protestors.

Just be careful

I generally avoid anything political on fb.

Great way to see pictures of our kids and grandkids that we otherwise would not see.

Also to keep up with friends.

Most of my family is on the opposite end of the political spectrum and do not think my opinion is valid. As a result I will not post any new threads that can be deemed political.

Helps to bring family unity in todays sick world.

[Bucco]

I generally avoid anything political on fb.

Great way to see pictures of our kids and grandkids that we otherwise would not see.

Also to keep up with friends.

Most of my family is on the opposite end of the political spectrum and do not think my opinion is valid. As a result I will not post any new threads that can be deemed political.

Helps to bring family unity in todays sick world.

Everyone says what you are saying. BUT they post on here using the same language and logic presented on Facebook.

What you read there (other than your family) is a recitation of "outside influences". Remember when we were not so easily swayed ? Of course, these are professionals.

Chaos is the game. Pick a side and go after it.

[Jayhawk]

My suggestion....just me....

Get off Facebook, and try real reality.

I am pro police..always have been. Skin color means nothing to me.

My opinion...folks on social media are being brainwashed.

What is happening on the streets is not what you are told. A scene shown last week and sent throughout the world was from Spain, but shown as our country.

Agitators are shown as protestors.

Just be careful

I basically agree with everything you wrote, but would add that TOTV is a form of social media also, so careful what you believe on this site as well.

[Bucco]

I basically agree with everything you wrote, but would add that TOTV is a form of social media also, so careful what you believe on this site as well.

Not to worry about that :)

Fact is, most posts on here can be traced directly to another social media or a source with direct motives, not necessarily for the good of our country.

Making loud accusations or comments with no credible backup should not be allowed, but it is and is hard to police frankly.

No, social media is almost "devils work" no matter where or what. It is now "a tool" of un-American activities and the sad thing, it is "used" so well that innocents get caught up and do not realize the source or the reason. NOR do they care, frankly.

Most trouble I get into with mods is when I question someone as they spread lies or half truths. Showing scenes and presenting them as in our country when they are from another......accusing a person or group of terrible things with zero credible back up......currentlyi calling agitators...protestors......or similar is terribly wrong and making that call is not always wrong, but NOW it is accepted fact which is what the manipulators of this form of media want....then you are theirs.

[JGVillages]

Right or wrong, this I don't understand. Why did it take 7 shots, four hits, to subdue this guy? Four hits and yet he survived. Was the officer firing a .22? Was he poorly trained in arms?

No. He was struggling with this felon who just a few minutes earlier had an officer in a headlock, broke away from being tased, and ran around his car holding a knife then reaching for something inside the driver’s side. Is he supposed to ask him if he’s reaching for a gun then wait to see if he will turn and only shoot him once? The felon refused to submit and resisted with violence. The number of shots does’t matter!

[Aloha1]

There are at least 2 sides to every story. Hopefully the truth comes out soon.

Updates From Kenosha, Wisconsin Following Jacob Blake Shooting : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2020/08/29/907384488/updates-from-kenosha-wisconsin-following-jacob-blake-shooting)

Uh, OK. so NPR basically confirms the police report then changes topics and rambles on about this Rittenhouse kid where that story is still in debate. They couldn't stay on topic?

[Bucco]

Is this really you, Bucco? Seems out of character based on your previous posts, but welcome.

Sorry, if I confused.

I have always been pro police. That does not mean I do not question some ndividual decisions. Getting a gun and badge does not make you flawless, nor give you God like qualities. It is a tough job, many times chosen as a career for the wrong reasons.

I have also always been against judging by race ever. Everytime, there is a problem, in this forum, it seems we either are required to simply defame black people or judge the police. I dislike anything based on hate.

Things are simply not that simple. Neither of the options I gave even get close to discussing the problem.

There are factions now that simply want chaos and will do what they can to make it chaotic.

We hear of ANTIFA, and BLM, but these groups are always prepare to hit the road and make sure there is chaos, and looting.

Proud Boys, Boogaloo, grouper army, New Mexico civil army, American Contingency

They are trained, and insure the violence continues.

This does not absolve ANTIFA nor BLM, but folks....we darn well better wake up. Those last groups have some influential backing, and have been so very active in Portland and Kenosha.

The pull to,chaos is working and frankly, I am scared. This is like a junior varsity game.

[Bucco]

Actually one of the groups, Patriot Prayer, received the ultimate in compliments today.

I just wish we could look at all of this and see what it is going to do to this country.

It is already escalated and these groups are now part of the national discourse, and none deserve to be there.

[CatskillBill]

Watch this video to see why the Cops need more than one shot to stop a threat that may be pumped up on drugs, or are large.
The best repay viewing angle starts at 3:07.
Man Gets Shot After Charging At Cop With Two Sai-Style Knives - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntFanbnGwNk&t=223s&has_verified=1&bpctr=1598829870)


Right or wrong, this I don't understand. Why did it take 7 shots, four hits, to subdue this guy? Four hits and yet he survived. Was the officer firing a .22? Was he poorly trained in arms?

[Mrprez]

Watch this video to see why the Cops need more than one shot to stop a threat that may be pumped up on drugs, or are large.
The best repay viewing angle starts at 3:07.
Man Gets Shot After Charging At Cop With Two Sai-Style Knives - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntFanbnGwNk&t=223s&has_verified=1&bpctr=1598829870)

I see your video raise you this one.

Estill, South Carolina, officer's camera captures shooting - YouTube (https://youtu.be/7Qq3dXfzvdw)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

From various reports I have read this rings true to me, the police were in fear for their well being and took action which escalated as nothing else stopped the guy.

Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. He made statements of fact, without mentioning where those facts came from. If I told you I know for an absolute fact that the Easter Bunny murdered Santa in 1974, and the current Santa is actually a Russian spy, would you a) believe me because I told you it's a fact? b) decide I'm stark raving bonkers, which is entirely possible but you don't know THAT for sure either? or c) ask me to prove it?


Also - the current Santa isn't a Russian spy. But it's very possible that the Easter Bunny killed the one in 1974.

[Stu from NYC]

Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. He made statements of fact, without mentioning where those facts came from. If I told you I know for an absolute fact that the Easter Bunny murdered Santa in 1974, and the current Santa is actually a Russian spy, would you a) believe me because I told you it's a fact? b) decide I'm stark raving bonkers, which is entirely possible but you don't know THAT for sure either? or c) ask me to prove it?


Also - the current Santa isn't a Russian spy. But it's very possible that the Easter Bunny killed the one in 1974.

I never liked the look of that Easter Bunny think he has very sinister eyes. Not to mention looks like they are two different colors which signifies he is up to no good.

[Stu from NYC]

Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. He made statements of fact, without mentioning where those facts came from. If I told you I know for an absolute fact that the Easter Bunny murdered Santa in 1974, and the current Santa is actually a Russian spy, would you a) believe me because I told you it's a fact? b) decide I'm stark raving bonkers, which is entirely possible but you don't know THAT for sure either? or c) ask me to prove it?


Also - the current Santa isn't a Russian spy. But it's very possible that the Easter Bunny killed the one in 1974.

On a more serious note in my reading of various publications about this events a lot of what he is saying jibes with what other reports have come out.

Rather amazing that each one of these people who have been at the hands of the police were not exactly model citizens.

The nba cancels a few nights of games in protest of this fellow who in my opinion from what I have read deserved what he got. Am I supposed to be upset that the protest over this shooting, nope each time I care less and less.

[rjm1cc]

All of these shooting's seem to have this in common - The suspect does not listen to the police. We have to teach each other to listen to the police and if we disagree then fight in the court system.

[Art cov]

I wonder how many of today’s young men have the desire to become police officer’s. Can you imagine what things are going to be like? In many cities policemen are retiring or quitting and finding other employment. Some think sending a social worker to talk to criminal might be the answer. Scary!

[Stu from NYC]

I wonder how many of today’s young men have the desire to become police officer’s. Can you imagine what things are going to be like? In many cities policemen are retiring or quitting and finding other employment. Some think sending a social worker to talk to criminal might be the answer. Scary!

Officers in many places are wondering why not find another line of work.

Politicians are taking the side of the criminals over the police.

[ruralgoddess]

[QUOTE=Mendy;1825062]There are at least 2 sides to every story. Hopefully the truth comes out soon.

yes...rushing to judgement is counterproductive...according to the news the warrant had been vacated, that is rescinded.

[holger danske]

[QUOTE=Mendy;1825062]There are at least 2 sides to every story. Hopefully the truth comes out soon.

yes...rushing to judgement is counterproductive...according to the news the warrant had been vacated, that is rescinded.

yes, that's how it works. the warrant is issued and signed by a judge. this authorizes the police to legally take the fugitive into custody. once the fugitive is in custody he is brought to court and the warrant is vacated. in Blake's case since he was hospitalized he was handcuffed to his bed until the judge called the case in court, excused his absence and vacated the warrant. then the handcuffs were removed. the validity of the warrant at the time of arrest is not in question.

[xcaligirl]

One of the things that is unclear is if he was hit by a taser.

A taser will bring down pretty much anyone except people who are high on meth and similar substances. Some drugs give their users super human strength. If a cop tases a suspect and they don't go down, the cop should be very afraid.
So agree

[dougjb]

What sticks in my mind is this: It pertains to that kid who shot and killed two people.

The photos show that, after the killing, he walked towards the cops by approaching them with his hands raised and his assault weapon swinging from his belt. The cops did not detain him, they did not question him, they did nothing but pass him by.

Has it crossed anyone's mind what the cops would have done, had the kid been a black kid in the same situation?

[manaboutown]

What sticks in my mind is this: It pertains to that kid who shot and killed two people.

The photos show that, after the killing, he walked towards the cops by approaching them with his hands raised and his assault weapon swinging from his belt. The cops did not detain him, they did not question him, they did nothing but pass him by.

Has it crossed anyone's mind what the cops would have done, had the kid been a black kid in the same situation?

Possibly nothing as here: Black people march with guns at Stone Mountain, Georgia, with greetings of Black Love & Black Power - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kH5l7XN19M)

Actually from videos and photos I have seen many of the rioters and looters, both black and white, are armed and the police are just standing by allowing it all to happen, no doubt under orders to do so.

[Bucco]

Possibly nothing as here: Black people march with guns at Stone Mountain, Georgia, with greetings of Black Love & Black Power - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kH5l7XN19M)

Actually from videos and photos I have seen many of the rioters and looters, both black and white, are armed and the police are just standing by allowing it all to happen, no doubt under orders to do so.

I often wonder about posts like this.....

Do you search out videos to make others look bad, as with the phone videos surfaced by our government showing fire and brimstone in the USA, when in fact it is in SPAIN.

Is this type of thing a hobby or some sort ?

The video is about 6 weeks old and means nothing at all

Chaos

[jimjamuser]

Two blades??
I could give an answer to that 2 blades question. IF(?), big (IF) (because I could NOT see one, but I will look harder next time it is run on TV) - - - So, assuming a knife in his LEFT hand as he walked slowly around the front of the car, then we see the grabbing of his shirt as he leans forward into the vicinity of his steering wheel, - then, he is shot in the lower back SEVEN times, - then the shock of being shot and his momentum forward would cause him to drop that knife - that ONE knife. So that answers the ONE knife question, not 2 knives..........But, several questions remain. Could or SHOULD (?) he have been shot in the leg or arm? Should he have been kicked in the back of the leg when he was in front of the car? Or shot in the leg at THAT point. After all they ONLY wanted him to STOP walking away S L O W L Y from the POLICE. HOPEFULLY, they were not thinking then at that point that he NEEDED to DIE for just not stopping. So. that would have been a GOOD time to shoot him in the LEG if that felt they HAD to shoot him. What was in their mind at that point we can never know. Most posts here are convinced that the Police side was justified. But, I am suspicious about something not QUITE making sense in the video of this shooting. I wish the Police had the SOUND part of there cameras turned on. Why was it not? That could have made me understand the situation more. I hope that an investigation or a jury trial would straighten that out. But, I fear that the rush to condemn him will WIN the day?????

[jimjamuser]

Unless you've been in that kind of situation or have some training with handguns, you can't understand how difficult it is to hit a moving target even at point blank range.

The officer was wrestling with the guy. The guy was moving all over the place and possible grabbing for the gun. It doesn't take much movement for a bullet to be sent off line.

There were three misses. Some of those four hits may have consisted of scrapes in the arms or legs.

Training says that you keep shooting until the person goes down. I would not have an opinion until I know exactly where the wounds are.
Scrape wounds would not be sufficient for surgery and a Doctor saying it is UNLIKELY that he ever walks again. That is at least 1 shot to the spine.

[jimbomaybe]

I could give an answer to that 2 blades question. IF(?), big (IF) (because I could NOT see one, but I will look harder next time it is run on TV) - - - So, assuming a knife in his LEFT hand as he walked slowly around the front of the car, then we see the grabbing of his shirt as he leans forward into the vicinity of his steering wheel, - then, he is shot in the lower back SEVEN times, - then the shock of being shot and his momentum forward would cause him to drop that knife - that ONE knife. So that answers the ONE knife question, not 2 knives..........But, several questions remain. Could or SHOULD (?) he have been shot in the leg or arm? Should he have been kicked in the back of the leg when he was in front of the car? Or shot in the leg at THAT point. After all they ONLY wanted him to STOP walking away S L O W L Y from the POLICE. HOPEFULLY, they were not thinking then at that point that he NEEDED to DIE for just not stopping. So. that would have been a GOOD time to shoot him in the LEG if that felt they HAD to shoot him. What was in their mind at that point we can never know. Most posts here are convinced that the Police side was justified. But, I am suspicious about something not QUITE making sense in the video of this shooting. I wish the Police had the SOUND part of there cameras turned on. Why was it not? That could have made me understand the situation more. I hope that an investigation or a jury trial would straighten that out. But, I fear that the rush to condemn him will WIN the day?????


I can only assume you have no experience with violent confrontations, perhaps movies and TV representations that are just fantasies, If a police officer has reason to use deadly force that is what is called for ,,right now

[jimjamuser]

Why police shoot so many times to bring down a suspect - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/us/why-police-shoot-so-many-rounds-trnd/index.html)

"The "textbook answer" is that officers fire until they've terminated a threat, according to Seth Stoughton, an associate professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law who studies policing.
Officers use deadly force on a suspect they perceive to be an imminent threat of death or bodily harm to the officers or others. In training, police are told to use force until that person no longer presents a threat, Stoughton said."

These threats to police officers, while posts on this forum might indicate to be new and original, have been going on for many years.....well, since any policing began.

We just have to learn not to create chaos, as we are pushed to do.

Protestors are just fine.....riots never ever have been considered anything but lawlessness.

Why posts on here need to jump on one side or another is well beyond me, because who in the world are you speaking to. Even the most energetic protestor you can find will be anti rioting. Why does there even exist a question as to why they exist......they are not always, but mostly from outside agitators yet we never criticize them.

Police need no defense.....someday, we have to discuss this rationally and without creating sides
That was a thoughtful post. Someday, maybe (?) in 15 years, we will have A.I. Robotic police for the beat and human inspectors / investigators. The robots will have NO fear of being themselves harmed so should be able to make good logical decisions in each criminal incident. Until then we are only left with failable humans. What we are working on now is trying to eliminate any systemic biases (as much as possible). That is the problem that we and the media and judges are trying to work out. I believe that because of so many people having cell phone cameras and sound that the problem has become PUSHED to the front of people's consciousness. So, society is grappling with it more today.

[jimjamuser]

On a more serious note in my reading of various publications about this events a lot of what he is saying jibes with what other reports have come out.

Rather amazing that each one of these people who have been at the hands of the police were not exactly model citizens.

The nba cancels a few nights of games in protest of this fellow who in my opinion from what I have read deserved what he got. Am I supposed to be upset that the protest over this shooting, nope each time I care less and less.
"caring less and less" and NOT paying attention to current events and social trends can / might (?) lead to something no one wants - a fascist Police state. But, hopefully, NOT ?

[Number 10 GI]

What sticks in my mind is this: It pertains to that kid who shot and killed two people.

The photos show that, after the killing, he walked towards the cops by approaching them with his hands raised and his assault weapon swinging from his belt. The cops did not detain him, they did not question him, they did nothing but pass him by.

Has it crossed anyone's mind what the cops would have done, had the kid been a black kid in the same situation?

The same exact thing, let him walk on by.

[jimjamuser]

I can only assume you have no experience with violent confrontations, perhaps movies and TV representations that are just fantasies, If a police officer has reason to use deadly force that is what is called for ,,right now
That seems like the "quick and dirty, " black and white" answer that is parroted out by Police apologists to shout / proclaim Police innocence. There are GOOD Police and BAD Police and some in-between Police. Obvious situations and nuanced situations. There HAS to be SOME situations by LOGIC alone that are in-between situations and where creative solutions can occur in EVEN in the heat of a quickly developing situation.

I stated in my post NOT just what to do "shoot in the leg" but when to do it "as he was in front of the car". My LYING EYES showed that to me. maybe not for yourself. Regardless, I stand by my opinion and post.

[jimjamuser]

I can only assume you have no experience with violent confrontations, perhaps movies and TV representations that are just fantasies, If a police officer has reason to use deadly force that is what is called for ,,right now
Plus the bulk of my post talked about why there was, probably, one knife, not two.

[John41]

That seems like the "quick and dirty, " black and white" answer that is parroted out by Police apologists to shout / proclaim Police innocence. There are GOOD Police and BAD Police and some in-between Police. Obvious situations and nuanced situations. There HAS to be SOME situations by LOGIC alone that are in-between situations and where creative solutions can occur in EVEN in the heat of a quickly developing situation.

I stated in my post NOT just what to do "shoot in the leg" but when to do it "as he was in front of the car". My LYING EYES showed that to me. maybe not for yourself. Regardless, I stand by my opinion and post.

You really have no clue about neutralizing threats in a fluid situation. It appears now the police in the George Floyd incident will be completely exonerated and perhaps sue the Floyd clan of miscreants. The police in the Blake shooting will also be exonerated.

[jimbomaybe]

That seems like the "quick and dirty, " black and white" answer that is parroted out by Police apologists to shout / proclaim Police innocence. There are GOOD Police and BAD Police and some in-between Police. Obvious situations and nuanced situations. There HAS to be SOME situations by LOGIC alone that are in-between situations and where creative solutions can occur in EVEN in the heat of a quickly developing situation.

I stated in my post NOT just what to do "shoot in the leg" but when to do it "as he was in front of the car". My LYING EYES showed that to me. maybe not for yourself. Regardless, I stand by my opinion and post.

You have read a few thing into my post that are not there , I made a general statement, quick and dirty? in regards to what? "creative solutions" "shoot in leg" and you think you know when to shoot a person? and I stand by my post , everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, the worth of that opinion depends on knowledge and experience

[Bay Kid]

If the dummy had just done what he was told. This isn't a black or white problem. Just a dummy that has no respect for anything.

[PugMom]

No. He was struggling with this felon who just a few minutes earlier had an officer in a headlock, broke away from being tased, and ran around his car holding a knife then reaching for something inside the driver’s side. Is he supposed to ask him if he’s reaching for a gun then wait to see if he will turn and only shoot him once? The felon refused to submit and resisted with violence. The number of shots does’t matter!

OR~!~...he may have been reaching for a weapon, then use that weapon to take one or all of the kids in the back seat as hostages. all the kids & perp may have been killed in such an escalation, and i can only imagine what the headlines would've said if that happened. 'inept police allow kids to be killed.' damned if you do, damned if you don't. blake was a bad man. period.

[jacksonbrown]

BLM and Antifa want EXACTLY that. Both are Marxist Totalitarian 5th columns and want nothing more than the destruction and end of the United States.

And, organizations that continue to solicit (extort) donations from major corporations, local businesses and property owners.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Scrape wounds would not be sufficient for surgery and a Doctor saying it is UNLIKELY that he ever walks again. That is at least 1 shot to the spine.

Correct. But where are the other three wounds and where the the other three shots go.

There are a lot of reasons why there were three shots. Some of you are passing judgement without having all of the information.

[John41]

And, organizations that continue to solicit (extort) donations from major corporations, local businesses and property owners.

That’s what’s really bothers me, the ingratitude of major corporations towards the police. Corporations can no longer be counted on to be pro American. As Marx wrote capitalist greed will be the engine of their own demise.

[jj6426]

First of all, in defense of the police, what is wrong with these suspects who don't cooperate with the police? If you're stopped or caught by the police, deal with it. You have no chance otherwise. In defense of the suspect, why shoot him? Why kill him? Why not taser him? Or, in the case of Jacob Blake who was trying to get into his car, why not shoot out his tires? If there is more than one policeman, why can't they grab him and handcuff him? He ( Blake) was stronger than a cop? Than two cops? Although I may be missing something, it seems to me that the cops were just enraged that this guy was fighting them---and they shot him out of anger not as a last means of capturing him. I would love to hear if a policeman agrees with anything I've said.

[canyonblue]

In defense of the suspect, why shoot him? Why kill him? Why not taser him? Or, in the case of Jacob Blake who was trying to get into his car, why not shoot out his tires? If there is more than one policeman, why can't they grab him and handcuff him? He ( Blake) was stronger than a cop? Than two cops? Although I may be missing something, it seems to me that the cops were just enraged that this guy was fighting them---and they shot him out of anger not as a last means of capturing him.

A lot of WHY'S in that paragraph. Probably the most important why is why do people disobey and ignore police commands. I've never been a cop, but I will never second guess a person who has a split second to make a decision on whether or not you're about to be killed by a criminal who is resisting arrest and going into his car for something. Wake up people! It's the cops that are being killed for NO reason.

[JGVillages]

Blake resisted, had an officer in a choke hold, escaped after being tasered to run around his car to reach in the driver’s side for something. After all this resistance you have 1.5 seconds to determine if it’s ........................; sorry too late, it was a gun. You are dead. If that had happened it would have been just another officer murdered with minimal press coverage and certainly no looting and burning prior to, and after the murderers trial.

[graciegirl]

Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. He made statements of fact, without mentioning where those facts came from. If I told you I know for an absolute fact that the Easter Bunny murdered Santa in 1974, and the current Santa is actually a Russian spy, would you a) believe me because I told you it's a fact? b) decide I'm stark raving bonkers, which is entirely possible but you don't know THAT for sure either? or c) ask me to prove it?


Also - the current Santa isn't a Russian spy. But it's very possible that the Easter Bunny killed the one in 1974.

The facts are; one after another people with records of law breaking ignore law enforcement's command of STOP. Then they are shot. The police do this for a number of reasons. It depends whether you have always respected authority or not, how you "feel" about this.

Have you counseled your children to be respectful to you, to their teachers and principal, to their boss, to their church tenets, to commonly held authority? We have.

[justjim]

Not to worry about that :)

Fact is, most posts on here can be traced directly to another social media or a source with direct motives, not necessarily for the good of our country.

Making loud accusations or comments with no credible backup should not be allowed, but it is and is hard to police frankly.

No, social media is almost "devils work" no matter where or what. It is now "a tool" of un-American activities and the sad thing, it is "used" so well that innocents get caught up and do not realize the source or the reason. NOR do they care, frankly.

Most trouble I get into with mods is when I question someone as they spread lies or half truths. Showing scenes and presenting them as in our country when they are from another......accusing a person or group of terrible things with zero credible back up......currentlyi calling agitators...protestors......or similar is terribly wrong and making that call is not always wrong, but NOW it is accepted fact which is what the manipulators of this form of media want....then you are theirs.

You make some good points. I’ve said this before. Social Media and 24 hour Cable Media is much different than the mainstream press IMHO. A free press is absolutely necessary for a free Country. Let me be clear all media is protected by the First Amendment. Just because we may disagree doesn’t mean we don’t have a right to our opinion and it’s not necessarily fake news it’s just your opinion. Some are demonizing the media. Careful what you wish for. You wouldn’t have the same rights in Russia or China or many other places.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

There are at least 2 sides to every story. Hopefully the truth comes out soon.

Updates From Kenosha, Wisconsin Following Jacob Blake Shooting : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2020/08/29/907384488/updates-from-kenosha-wisconsin-following-jacob-blake-shooting)

So the first thing that we know is wrong is that he wasn't shot in the back seven times. What w know is that seven shots were fired, four hit him and one hit him in the spine.

The fact that he was fighting with police was probably what caused three shots to mis him and three others to not have the effect of stopping him.

The Rittenhouse case is a separate incident.

[Bucco]

You make some good points. I’ve said this before. Social Media and 24 hour Cable Media is much different than the mainstream press IMHO. A free press is absolutely necessary for a free Country. Let me be clear all media is protected by the First Amendment. Just because we may disagree doesn’t mean we don’t have a right to our opinion and it’s not necessarily fake news it’s just your opinion. Some are demonizing the media. Careful what you wish for. You wouldn’t have the same rights in Russia or China or many other places.

Boy, have you nailed it.

There may be some, but most third world countries or those who were overthrown began with attacking the press.

You must stop the citizenry from knowing the truth is the precursor to...well, up to us I guess.

[holger danske]

looks like a curved blade

[Dana1963]

I could give an answer to that 2 blades question. IF(?), big (IF) (because I could NOT see one, but I will look harder next time it is run on TV) - - - So, assuming a knife in his LEFT hand as he walked slowly around the front of the car, then we see the grabbing of his shirt as he leans forward into the vicinity of his steering wheel, - then, he is shot in the lower back SEVEN times, - then the shock of being shot and his momentum forward would cause him to drop that knife - that ONE knife. So that answers the ONE knife question, not 2 knives..........But, several questions remain. Could or SHOULD (?) he have been shot in the leg or arm? Should he have been kicked in the back of the leg when he was in front of the car? Or shot in the leg at THAT point. After all they ONLY wanted him to STOP walking away S L O W L Y from the POLICE. HOPEFULLY, they were not thinking then at that point that he NEEDED to DIE for just not stopping. So. that would have been a GOOD time to shoot him in the LEG if that felt they HAD to shoot him. What was in their mind at that point we can never know. Most posts here are convinced that the Police side was justified. But, I am suspicious about something not QUITE making sense in the video of this shooting. I wish the Police had the SOUND part of there cameras turned on. Why was it not? That could have made me understand the situation more. I hope that an investigation or a jury trial would straighten that out. But, I fear that the rush to condemn him will WIN the day?????
We only saw about a 45 second video missing the incident on the other side of SUV. Viewed were 3 police following suspect guns drawn to drivers side of SUV. These 3 officers lost control of situation lost their cool acted on fear. The Police did not have body camera’s issued the them.

[Dana1963]

No. He was struggling with this felon who just a few minutes earlier had an officer in a headlock, broke away from being tased, and ran around his car holding a knife then reaching for something inside the driver’s side. Is he supposed to ask him if he’s reaching for a gun then wait to see if he will turn and only shoot him once? The felon refused to submit and resisted with violence. The number of shots does’t matter!
Your making stuff up about holding a knife! That was not a part of police report you made it up to fit your narrative

[graciegirl]

It could have ended like this;


video of officer being shot who was wearing a body camera - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=video+of+officer+being+shot+who+was+weari ng+a+body+camera&docid=608038558874078662&mid=677280A45C68AD4AD751677280A45C68AD4AD751&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)

Another one; video of officer being shot who was wearing a body camera - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=video+of+officer+being+shot+who+was+weari ng+a+body+camera&docid=607994617107317225&mid=ACFBD80F31F3036A0129ACFBD80F31F3036A0129&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)

[eremite06]

looks like a curved blade

If it is a curved blade, US Special Forces could tell you with a stab and one cut, a person will bleed out in a matter of minutes.

[manaboutown]

If it is a curved blade, US Special Forces could tell you with a stab and one cut, a person will bleed out in a matter of minutes.

It looked like a fighting knife made by Karambit to me. Best Karambit Knives - Top 7 Karambits | Blade HQ (https://www.bladehq.com/cat--Karambit-Knife-Buyers-Guide--2634)

[John41]

You make some good points. I’ve said this before. Social Media and 24 hour Cable Media is much different than the mainstream press IMHO. A free press is absolutely necessary for a free Country. Let me be clear all media is protected by the First Amendment. Just because we may disagree doesn’t mean we don’t have a right to our opinion and it’s not necessarily fake news it’s just your opinion. Some are demonizing the media. Careful what you wish for. You wouldn’t have the same rights in Russia or China or many other places.

Some are demonizing the police and support defunding them. Careful what you wish for.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Still trying to figure out why anybody would need to shoot another person 7 times IN THE BACK and then find a knife in the car. Please stop supporting this type of behavior. Our police need to be trained better. This is inexcusable.

[dewilson58]

looks like a curved blade


I heard, but have not seen.

Thanks for posting.

[MDLNB]

I could give an answer to that 2 blades question. IF(?), big (IF) (because I could NOT see one, but I will look harder next time it is run on TV) - - - So, assuming a knife in his LEFT hand as he walked slowly around the front of the car, then we see the grabbing of his shirt as he leans forward into the vicinity of his steering wheel, - then, he is shot in the lower back SEVEN times, - then the shock of being shot and his momentum forward would cause him to drop that knife - that ONE knife. So that answers the ONE knife question, not 2 knives..........But, several questions remain. Could or SHOULD (?) he have been shot in the leg or arm? Should he have been kicked in the back of the leg when he was in front of the car? Or shot in the leg at THAT point. After all they ONLY wanted him to STOP walking away S L O W L Y from the POLICE. HOPEFULLY, they were not thinking then at that point that he NEEDED to DIE for just not stopping. So. that would have been a GOOD time to shoot him in the LEG if that felt they HAD to shoot him. What was in their mind at that point we can never know. Most posts here are convinced that the Police side was justified. But, I am suspicious about something not QUITE making sense in the video of this shooting. I wish the Police had the SOUND part of there cameras turned on. Why was it not? That could have made me understand the situation more. I hope that an investigation or a jury trial would straighten that out. But, I fear that the rush to condemn him will WIN the day?????


Officers are NOT taught to shoot in the leg or arm. That could be potentially dangerous to bystanders and also easy to miss the small moving target. Officers are taught "center mass" meaning vital organs of the body, and also the largest portion and easiest to hit.

[MDLNB]

Still trying to figure out why anybody would need to shoot another person 7 times IN THE BACK and then find a knife in the car. Please stop supporting this type of behavior. Our police need to be trained better. This is inexcusable.


I am all for more and better training of the police. Perhaps if this officer was a better shot he would have killed the suspect with one shot. More funding is important instead of DEFUNDING. Seriously though, a moving target and pumping adrenaline makes even the best shooter hard put to hit where they want the bullet to go.

[MDLNB]

You really have no clue about neutralizing threats in a fluid situation. It appears now the police in the George Floyd incident will be completely exonerated and perhaps sue the Floyd clan of miscreants. The police in the Blake shooting will also be exonerated.


Hallelujah! Chalk up a couple more for the good guys.

[Number 10 GI]

First of all, in defense of the police, what is wrong with these suspects who don't cooperate with the police? If you're stopped or caught by the police, deal with it. You have no chance otherwise. In defense of the suspect, why shoot him? Why kill him? Why not taser him? Or, in the case of Jacob Blake who was trying to get into his car, why not shoot out his tires? If there is more than one policeman, why can't they grab him and handcuff him? He ( Blake) was stronger than a cop? Than two cops? Although I may be missing something, it seems to me that the cops were just enraged that this guy was fighting them---and they shot him out of anger not as a last means of capturing him. I would love to hear if a policeman agrees with anything I've said.

You've never tried to subdue and individual that doesn't want to be subdued. Why don't you do some research, he was shot with a taser twice. Shoot out the tires and let him drive away with children in the vehicle, brilliant!:ohdear:

[Aloha1]

Boy, have you nailed it.

There may be some, but most third world countries or those who were overthrown began with attacking the press.

You must stop the citizenry from knowing the truth is the precursor to...well, up to us I guess.

But when the press has already been coopted to support only one narrative, then what?

[Aloha1]

A presidential candidate and his wife personally meet with the family of a man with a criminal record, had an outstanding warrant, is accused of sexual assault, resisted arrest, was tased twice, threatened police with a knife and was shot. The candidate and his wife go and console the family and the guy, while a cop who is shot and killed in the line of duty and his family get no recognition at all. I find this incredible. We live in a very misguided society.

We now know, Blake senior is an antisemite and follower of the bigot, Louis Farrakhan. We also now know that Blake junior has a rap sheet a mile long, broke into his ex girlfriend's home, sexually assaulted her, stole her car and debit card, and had violated a restraining order. We now know there was no "fight" that Blake was breaking up. Another false narrative to go along with "hands up. don't shoot". There will never be rapprochement until there is an agreement to honestly look at the facts devoid of pre conceived ideas and politics.

[MDLNB]

First of all, in defense of the police, what is wrong with these suspects who don't cooperate with the police? If you're stopped or caught by the police, deal with it. You have no chance otherwise. In defense of the suspect, why shoot him? Why kill him? Why not taser him? Or, in the case of Jacob Blake who was trying to get into his car, why not shoot out his tires? If there is more than one policeman, why can't they grab him and handcuff him? He ( Blake) was stronger than a cop? Than two cops? Although I may be missing something, it seems to me that the cops were just enraged that this guy was fighting them---and they shot him out of anger not as a last means of capturing him. I would love to hear if a policeman agrees with anything I've said.


Should have used a choke hold on him. Nah, a bullet should have worked ok. If they would have used their baton or flashlight on him, there would be complaints of abuse. Can't win so you might as well use whatever keeps you safe and worry about the jury later.

[Bay Kid]

It is Blake's parents fault. They should have taught him respect for all people, then the police wouldn't have been called.

[Aloha1]

It is Blake's parents fault. They should have taught him respect for all people, then the police wouldn't have been called.

Given the father is a racist anti semite, that scenario was not likely to happen.

[Stu from NYC]

We now know, Blake senior is an antisemite and follower of the bigot, Louis Farrakhan. We also now know that Blake junior has a rap sheet a mile long, broke into his ex girlfriend's home, sexually assaulted her, stole her car and debit card, and had violated a restraining order. We now know there was no "fight" that Blake was breaking up. Another false narrative to go along with "hands up. don't shoot". There will never be rapprochement until there is an agreement to honestly look at the facts devoid of pre conceived ideas and politics.

And he is another hero of the blm movement. So sad and pathetic

[Stu from NYC]

Should have used a choke hold on him. Nah, a bullet should have worked ok. If they would have used their baton or flashlight on him, there would be complaints of abuse. Can't win so you might as well use whatever keeps you safe and worry about the jury later.

As the old saying goes, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.