Labor Day displays

[alwann]

It's always nice to see flags and buntings on display. On this day, some do it and many don't. Do you consider Labor Day to be a patriotic holiday? I never did. It's a day off from work with big discounts at the stores, but I wonder whether people in general know the significance.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

My father was a union organizer in the 1930’S all over the USA, he fought pitched battles with company goons breaking up picket lines. Many of these organizers like many dad went on to fight in Spain against Franco and German troops, when war broke out my father didn’t even have to join but he did and fought with the 101ST Airborne and went he jumped on D Day he was older then commanding general . After the war he had a job with a national union , but during the McCarthy hearings he was branded a communist for his 1930’S union work and for fighting in Spain he was not. He was never bitter he still had his iron worker card , but angry at all the innocent people who lost there careers over these hearings. So in my family we take Labor Day seriously and freedom of speech no matter what the message is

[alwann]

My mom was a union official. I worked in management. As you might imagine, we had lively discussions, especially during strikes, when managers were assigned to do members' jobs. (And many had no clue how do do them.)

[Madelaine Amee]

It's always nice to see flags and buntings on display. On this day, some do it and many don't. Do you consider Labor Day to be a patriotic holiday? I never did. It's a day off from work with big discounts at the stores, but I wonder whether people in general know the significance.

I have to agree with you. Labor Day was the official last day of summer, family cook out times, if you lived up north you would start covering tender plants because you just knew a killing frost was round the corner. Unfortunately everything has become whether or not you are patriotic. Does flying a flag make you a patriot, not in my book, but it is your right to do so if you want to, but don't think I am less patriotic than you for not flying the stars and stripes. There is not a generation in my family that has not gone to war for their country, and that is true patriotism.

[davem4616]

For me Labor Day was always a nice long weekend to celebrate a season ending cookout with friends and family and accept that 'summer' was over...I never saw it as a patriotic holiday

We no longer have a flag pole, however we embraced the TV tradition and proudly display small flags along the front of our property line and hang a patriotic banner on Memorial Day, Flag Day, July 4th and Veteran's Day.

[justjim]

My father and grandfather were United Mine workers of America union men. I remember talking with “Pop” regarding the working conditions And wages in the coal mines prior to the UMWA and it’s leader John L. Lewis. The coal miners were hero’s in my opinion and essential to the war efforts during WW1 and WW2. I have been on “both sides” of the equation during my working years. I celebrate the men and women in the various labor unions on Labor Day as they attempt to bring home a fair wage for the working people of America today. This man perhaps said it best back in 1861. “Labor is prior to, and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could never have existed if labor not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.” Abraham Lincoln

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Labor day is currently a sham. The whole point of it was to honor workers with a day off. So what do most retail businesses do? Do they close? No. They hold HUGE sales, which require their employees to come in on a day that's supposed to be honoring them, and make them work even harder than usual to accommodate the crowds coming in for those massive sales.

Just like Black Friday, I avoid shopping on these days, and I avoid working on these days. I don't get a paid day off, but screw it. I'm not going to work harder than usual on a day that's supposed to be honoring my work.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

It is Labor Day not patriots day , and the way people in villages throw the word around much of the time is unpatriotic, freedom for many villages seem to be only viewed through a small prism

[Dana1963]

Ask any Villager working Rec Centers or Community Watch it’s only a holiday in name. Organized Labor either gets a paid day off or Holiday Premium. But to our working Villagers it’s just another day!

[Stu from NYC]

Ask any Villager working Rec Centers or Community Watch it’s only a holiday in name. Organized Labor either gets a paid day off or Holiday Premium. But to our working Villagers it’s just another day!

Very true but when they take the job they know this and of course they are being paid so do not feel sorry for them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Very true but when they take the job they know this and of course they are being paid so do not feel sorry for them.

That has nothing - absolutely nothing - to do with the topic. Did you even read the OP? They want to know if you consider Labor Day to be a patriotic day. They also commented that it's a day off from work. Which - in most cases, it isn't. Whether you feel sorry for them or not.

[coffeebean]

No to Labor Day being a patriotic day. I did not put out the little flags for Labor Day.

[Stu from NYC]

That has nothing - absolutely nothing - to do with the topic. Did you even read the OP? They want to know if you consider Labor Day to be a patriotic day. They also commented that it's a day off from work. Which - in most cases, it isn't. Whether you feel sorry for them or not.

I commented on your comment and yes I did read the OP.

[Chi-Town]

From the Dept. of Labor:

Labor Day, the first Monday in September, is a creation of the labor movement and is dedicated to the social and economic achievements of American workers. It constitutes a yearly national tribute to the contributions workers have made to the strength, prosperity, and well-being of our country.

[EdFNJ]

Ask any Villager working Rec Centers or Community Watch it’s only a holiday in name. Organized Labor either gets a paid day off or Holiday Premium. But to our working Villagers it’s just another day!
It's just "another day" for 99% of the retail store employees (unionized or not) all over the country (whatever is left of them now due to the pandemic). In my 40+ years in retail I never had any holiday off (except for Christmas day). When I graduated kollidge I went to work for Gimbels in NYC as a buyer and I always thought Labor Day & Memorial Day were meant for mattress sales so, to keep it on topic, no, I never considered it a "patriotic day" just a big sale day.

[MandoMan]

My father was a union organizer in the 1930’S all over the USA, he fought pitched battles with company goons breaking up picket lines. Many of these organizers like many dad went on to fight in Spain against Franco and German troops, when war broke out my father didn’t even have to join but he did and fought with the 101ST Airborne and went he jumped on D Day he was older then commanding general . After the war he had a job with a national union , but during the McCarthy hearings he was branded a communist for his 1930’S union work and for fighting in Spain he was not. He was never bitter he still had his iron worker card , but angry at all the innocent people who lost there careers over these hearings. So in my family we take Labor Day seriously and freedom of speech no matter what the message is

I agree. To me, Labor Day is NOT a patriotic holiday, but a union holiday honoring the hundreds of millions of people who worked hard to make America strong and free and a land of opportunity for everyone, and who still do. Most worked with their hands, sweating, wearing out their bodies to provide for their families, often poor, and often dying relatively young yet unable to do more. They worked for enough to eat and a place to live and a chance that things would be easier for their descendants.

The day also honors those millions who formed labor unions that would stand up to the fat cats like Andrew Carnegie who became wildly wealthy partly by paying their workers just enough to keep them working. Those workers said, “We deserve to be paid enough for our work so that our children don’t starve, so that we don’t live in squalor, so that our kids can go to school.” Even though there were problems with some unions—corruption, Communist influence, mob influence, asking for more at the expense of bankrupting companies—still, unions, by helping workers negotiate as a group instead of one by one, made it possible for those who labor with their hands to eventually own a home, drive a car, take a vacation, and, for a few, retire in Florida.

Whether or not you worked with your hands or not (I didn’t), whether or not you were a union member or not (I was, for 34 years), almost certainly you live here because you labored and your ancestors labored, and because you benefited from a good salary and decent work conditions you might not have had without labor unions paving the way. Unless you were born wealthy or spent your working life managing a big company you founded, Labor Day is YOUR day. Even if you DID found your own little company or store or restaurant, chances are you couldn’t have done that without your own hard work and that of those who came before you.

Labor Day reminds us of that great promise and vow of the Pledge of Allegiance, so often chanted without thinking, and so often covered up by those who seek to divide us and conquer us, “Indivisable! With Liberty and Justice FOR ALL!”

[coconutmama]

I agree. To me, Labor Day is NOT a patriotic holiday, but a union holiday honoring the hundreds of millions of people who worked hard to make America strong and free and a land of opportunity for everyone, and who still do. Most worked with their hands, sweating, wearing out their bodies to provide for their families, often poor, and often dying relatively young yet unable to do more. They worked for enough to eat and a place to live and a chance that things would be easier for their descendants.

The day also honors those millions who formed labor unions that would stand up to the fat cats like Andrew Carnegie who became wildly wealthy partly by paying their workers just enough to keep them working. Those workers said, “We deserve to be paid enough for our work so that our children don’t starve, so that we don’t live in squalor, so that our kids can go to school.” Even though there were problems with some unions—corruption, Communist influence, mob influence, asking for more at the expense of bankrupting companies—still, unions, by helping workers negotiate as a group instead of one by one, made it possible for those who labor with their hands to eventually own a home, drive a car, take a vacation, and, for a few, retire in Florida.

Whether or not you worked with your hands or not (I didn’t), whether or not you were a union member or not (I was, for 34 years), almost certainly you live here because you labored and your ancestors labored, and because you benefited from a good salary and decent work conditions you might not have had without labor unions paving the way. Unless you were born wealthy or spent your working life managing a big company you founded, Labor Day is YOUR day. Even if you DID found your own little company or store or restaurant, chances are you couldn’t have done that without your own hard work and that of those who came before you.

Labor Day reminds us of that great promise and vow of the Pledge of Allegiance, so often chanted without thinking, and so often covered up by those who seek to divide us and conquer us, “Indivisable! With Liberty and Justice FOR ALL!”

Well said. We feel badly that the laborers in Florida do not have Labor Day to spend with their families, such as the trash collectors & roofers. They work hard in heat & rain. So we do put out flags for them. It is sad that it is all about the money & not about families

[ruralgoddess]

I feel it's patriotic in that we live in a country in which, for example, unions are not banned, people can fight for a living minimum wage, and we can **peacefully** protest. It's patriotic to fly our flags in support of all those freedoms. So I have my flags out.

[mydavid]

It's always nice to see flags and buntings on display. On this day, some do it and many don't. Do you consider Labor Day to be a patriotic holiday? I never did. It's a day off from work with big discounts at the stores, but I wonder whether people in general know the significance. Today is the day we honor the working men and women who have made this country great.:ho:

[robinsdw2]

This is an official flag day.

[Red White & Blue]

I only put my flags out during Military service days, Flag day and 4th of July...

[robinsdw2]

You need to check out our official flag days.

Education is a powerful thing.

[DeanFL]

For me Labor Day was always a nice long weekend to celebrate a season ending cookout with friends and family and accept that 'summer' was over...I never saw it as a patriotic holiday
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me neither - Labor Day, Not Patriotic.

However I do celebrate and salute all the mothers giving birth today.
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[NoMoSno]

Well said. We feel badly that the laborers in Florida do not have Labor Day to spend with their families, such as the trash collectors & roofers. They work hard in heat & rain. So we do put out flags for them. It is sad that it is all about the money & not about families
It is a holiday and day off for Marion County Florida Express refuse workers.

[coffeebean]

I only put my flags out during Military service days, Flag day and 4th of July...

The following article lists a dozen Patriotic Holidays, some of which I did not know existed. Labor Day is not one of the dozen holidays listed in this article............

A Guide to Patriotic Holidays in the United States – Team Colors By Carrie (https://teamcolorsbycarrie.wordpress.com/2018/05/29/a-guide-to-patriotic-holidays-in-the-united-states/)

[ismatta]

It's always nice to see flags and buntings on display. On this day, some do it and many don't. Do you consider Labor Day to be a patriotic holiday? I never did. It's a day off from work with big discounts at the stores, but I wonder whether people in general know the significance.

More than anything else, it is a time of acknowledgement of what truly Made America Great.....Labor Unions. The workers made America, both union and non-union, but the unions did a great deal to halt much of the wrongs done by the top 1% who used most American’s to increase their wealth at the expense of the true Americans who built this country. Look what that 1% has done lately. Today is a celebration of the hard work and character of the workers who made America great. Let’s all hope they get a chance to do it again in a couple of months.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I put my flags out to honor labor organizations and the men and woman in them and for the woman and people of color who are in the forefront of many Unions struggling to help low paid workers receive better wages and benefits My flags salute only labor on this day

[Rr23070]

In my family, every day is patriotic.

[jimjamuser]

My father was a union organizer in the 1930’S all over the USA, he fought pitched battles with company goons breaking up picket lines. Many of these organizers like many dad went on to fight in Spain against Franco and German troops, when war broke out my father didn’t even have to join but he did and fought with the 101ST Airborne and went he jumped on D Day he was older then commanding general . After the war he had a job with a national union , but during the McCarthy hearings he was branded a communist for his 1930’S union work and for fighting in Spain he was not. He was never bitter he still had his iron worker card , but angry at all the innocent people who lost there careers over these hearings. So in my family we take Labor Day seriously and freedom of speech no matter what the message is
That is one Great, Impressive story! He and ALL his descendants EARNED their American patriotic respect on Labor day. Super Kudos! As to the McCarthy Hearings - at least History restored your father's honor. And at the time of the Hearings, the old saying would have been true - that "no good deed goes unpunished". Those Hearings have gone down as a VERY low point in the American experience and experiment. I wonder how FUTURE History will feel about our times today????

[justjim]

Labor Day may not be an official “patriot day” but it should be IMHO. Thousands of Laborers lost their lives over the years making our country what it is today. Today I have my flags out and salute our essential workers in the hospitals, retail stores, those driving the big rigs, and many others who “labor”so we can have our needs met during this Pandemic. More respect should be shown for the working people of the past and especially those today who are helping us through this crisis.

[jimjamuser]

My mom was a union official. I worked in management. As you might imagine, we had lively discussions, especially during strikes, when managers were assigned to do members' jobs. (And many had no clue how do do them.)
That is a good point about, " no clue how to do them". I always thought that ANY Company would be smart to have the potential management types, actually do the line / labor type jobs for at least a week. Do ALL the different types of labor jobs for 1 week ( or at least, look over the shoulder of those doing certain jobs). The management types ARE intelligent, but maybe (?) not so wonderful with their hands? The management types would learn many skills and have a general idea about how the whole operation worked after this apprenticeship. AND the management types might (?) be able to suggest to middle management better / more efficient ways to do things that they either picked up on their own or got suggestions from the line workers. The idea of a suggestion box always seemed a WEAK solution, a small pandering to the concept of encouraging new ideas.

Newer corporate methods of groups making decisions and group projects seemed, to me, to be a good solution to encouraging idea generation. I personally never saw any group activity toward ideas and decisions. I was locked into "the old school' top-down management methods. That was an inflexible system that was frustrating and practically dehumanizing.

[Byte1]

Nope, I did not display my flags. I only do it for patriotic themed holidays. I don't do it for religious holidays, mother's day, father's day, Halloween, Cinco De Mayo, etc.

[jimjamuser]

Labor day is currently a sham. The whole point of it was to honor workers with a day off. So what do most retail businesses do? Do they close? No. They hold HUGE sales, which require their employees to come in on a day that's supposed to be honoring them, and make them work even harder than usual to accommodate the crowds coming in for those massive sales.

Just like Black Friday, I avoid shopping on these days, and I avoid working on these days. I don't get a paid day off, but screw it. I'm not going to work harder than usual on a day that's supposed to be honoring my work.
Why to put your foot DOWN orange person! The world needs MORE like you. Kudos!

[jimjamuser]

Ask any Villager working Rec Centers or Community Watch it’s only a holiday in name. Organized Labor either gets a paid day off or Holiday Premium. But to our working Villagers it’s just another day!
That's what you get with the rationalizing, confusing laws and the term, "right to work". It is a right to be economically molested and to be powerless and manipulated. It leaves disorganized labor!

[big guy]

It's always nice to see flags and buntings on display. On this day, some do it and many don't. Do you consider Labor Day to be a patriotic holiday? I never did. It's a day off from work with big discounts at the stores, but I wonder whether people in general know the significance.

I know the significance and it is to remember the working man. It is not a patriotic holiday. Doesn't hurt to fly the flag.

[Byte1]

That's what you get with the rationalizing, confusing laws and the term, "right to work". It is a right to be economically molested and to be powerless and manipulated. It leaves disorganized labor!

A right to work state makes it easier to get rid of slacker workers that are unproductive and replace them with folks willing to work. Unions are smaller now because they are no longer needed. We have federal laws protecting employees. Yes, I agree that there was a need for unions at one time. Not now.

[Red White & Blue]

You need to check out our official flag days.

Education is a powerful thing.
Their are 20 Flag flying Holidays and 9 other recommended days.
Here are some, with your education you should explain to us why I should fly my Flag on these days?
3rd Monday in January
4th Thursday in November
2nd Sunday in May
3rd Sunday in June
1st Tuesday after the 1st Monday in November

[Incoblack1]

Labor Day may not be an official “patriot day” but it should be IMHO. Thousands of Laborers lost their lives over the years making our country what it is today. Today I have my flags out and salute our essential workers in the hospitals, retail stores, those driving the big rigs, and many others who “labor”so we can have our needs met during this Pandemic. More respect should be shown for the working people of the past and especially those today who are helping us through this crisis.
Labor Day is a celebration of the middle class - especially those involved with manual activity. Where would we be without those folks? Just as we celebrate those who serve the military with Veterans Day, we should also celebrate those who do the hard work with Labor Day. Of course it is a patriotic occasion. Ask any middle class worker!

[Larjuice]

“Labor Day, the first Monday in September, is a creation of the labor movement and is dedicated to the social and economic achievements of American workers. It constitutes a yearly national tribute to the contributions workers have made to the strength, prosperity, and well-being of our country.”