Advice Fighting The Developer's Proposed Changes

[mneumann02]

When I bought my new golf course home from The Villages Real Estate in 2014, the agent said I was paying over a $100,000 premium for my view of the golf course, a large lake, and the fact there was no golf cart path behind my house. Because of golf course drainage issues, the golf course is now proposing to plant evergreen trees that will partially block my view and add a golf cart path behind my house. When I expressed my concerns to a Ricky, who was behind my house this morning and who I was told was in charge of all the golf courses, I got an arrogant attitude of they can do whatever they want.

So my questions are:
1. Can the golf course do whatever they want, even if it means decreasing the value of adjacent properties? (I'm trying to avoid hiring a lawyer if there really is no recourse.)
2. What is Ricky's last name, title, and email contact info. Same information for his boss.
3. I've tried contacting the CDD and Sumter Co. and can not get a straight answer regarding their need to get a permit. Do they need a permit?
4. Has anyone had success dealing with The Developer to get them to be a good neighbor or taking legal action against them?

Any truly helpful information or comments are appreciated.

[graciegirl]

When I bought my new golf course home from The Villages Real Estate in 2014, the agent said I was paying over a $100,000 premium for my view of the golf course, a large lake, and the fact there was no golf cart path behind my house. Because of golf course drainage issues, the golf course is now proposing to plant evergreen trees that will partially block my view and add a golf cart path behind my house. When I expressed my concerns to a Ricky, who was behind my house this morning and who I was told was in charge of all the golf courses, I got an arrogant attitude of they can do whatever they want.

So my questions are:
1. Can the golf course do whatever they want, even if it means decreasing the value of adjacent properties? (I'm trying to avoid hiring a lawyer if there really is no recourse.)
2. What is Ricky's last name, title, and email contact info. Same information for his boss.
3. I've tried contacting the CDD and Sumter Co. and can not get a straight answer regarding their need to get a permit. Do they need a permit?
4. Has anyone had success dealing with The Developer to get them to be a good neighbor or taking legal action against them?

Any truly helpful information or comments are appreciated.

When you buy any home you take a chance on any property adjacent to it changing. I don't know who Ricky is, and he may have said it just like that; "They can do whatever they want". Or he could have been a little more diplomatic and meant the same thing.

I bet your "realtor" or agent said that you were buying a view lot, and view lots are expensive. Trees on golf courses often add beauty and this could turn out nicely.

Some people have bought view lots of cows and ended up with views of commercial property. Some folks in Duval had nothing behind them and then had a large assisted living building. All over the state, the country and the world, there are NO guarantees of what can or will happen to property that is owned by someone else.

[Kerry Azz]

Could be worse you could’ve bought on Hacienda and been looking at apartments

[retiredguy123]

I don't think you will win this one.

[dewilson58]

Could be worse you could’ve bought on Hacienda and been looking at apartments


The Hac-y folks probably paid $5k extra, they got their investment back.

[Jim 9922]

From what I have observed, golf course "management" is "empowered" to do more or less whatever "it takes" to correct perceived problems and improve conditions and play as they see fit. At least the executive courses have a far less likelihood of ending up as apartment/housing complexes or parking structures as they are owned (or eventually will be) by the CDD's.

[jacksonbrown]

The property owners north of 466 have formed a "protest" group. Click here (https://v2pw.com/) for more.

[graciegirl]

From what I have observed, golf course "management" is "empowered" to do more or less whatever "it takes" to correct perceived problems and improve conditions and play as they see fit. At least the executive courses have a far less likelihood of ending up as apartment/housing complexes or parking structures as they are owned (or eventually will be) by the CDD's.

No golf courses have ended up as "apartment housing" in The Villages. A defunct Country Club Restaurant is becoming apartment housing....limited to the same older people and property restrictions we all have. There will be no kids. There will be older people. Seems to me to be a tempest in a teapot.

I think the OP is talking about a Championship Course, I am guessing Evans Prarie. I imagine it is disappointing to have a golf cart path where there was not one before, but trees shouldn't be a downer.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I would suspect that unless you have it in writing that there would be no changes to your view, you are out of luck.

A salesman might tell you something but his word is not necessarily binding and the onus would be on you to prove that he said it.

[Two Bills]

If as stated the OP paid $100,000 extra for the view, and the peace of no golf carts at the back of his house, and that is being taken away, I think he is entitled to be hacked off.
Some legal advice to see if you have any chance of redress would initially be money well spent.
OP will get no sympathy or worthwhile advise on here from the 'Developer can do no wrong Brigade!'

[Stu from NYC]

Interesting to see what happens in the near future. Hopefully the new apartment buildings will be very limited.

[graciegirl]

If as stated the OP paid $100,000 extra for the view, and the peace of no golf carts at the back of his house, and that is being taken away, I think he is entitled to be hacked off.
Some legal advice to see if you have any chance of redress would initially be money well spent.
OP will get no sympathy or worthwhile advise on here from the 'Developer can do no wrong Brigade!'

Bill. Maybe in U.K. there is redress for something like this but I think this gentleman would be wasting his money on a lawyer. ( This is the first time I have ever disagreed with you Bill)

The Developer's have used very skilled lawyers to cover things like this.... and they aren't novices. It isn't that I don't feel sorry for him and probably the folks who are changing the direction of the water are wishing they didn't have to build a new cart path. I guess I pretty much think that the builders do very little wrong, but sometimes water has to be redirected. I feel sorry for this fellow. Wonder what the water issue is on Evans Prairie where they are planning to change the path of the golf cart path????

Anybody play a hole that is soggy???? Come to think of it, I think Henry said he did. I will ask him when he returns. He knows every Championship Course here like the back of his hand.

[EdFNJ]

Do people REALLY pay "over $100,000 EXTRA" to watch people driving around on golf carts hitting balls and to see water? $100,000 !!! WOWZA !! Maybe I can sell viewing of my 10' deep back yard with my neighbors palm tree for $50 an hour from my bedroom widow with all the spring water you can drink and I'll even put out a 4' pool with goldfish to look at! I guess I'm just jealous but I would definitely be upset if it had been taken away .... despite the fact I'd be SOL if it was taken away.

I just realized, I can see a golf course from my roof. Guess I got a good deal.

[dewilson58]

Do people REALLY pay "over $100,000 EXTRA" to watch people driving around on golf carts hitting balls and to see water? $100,000 !!! WOWZA !! Maybe I can sell viewing of my 10' deep back yard with my neighbors palm tree for $50 an hour from my bedroom widow with all the spring water you can drink and I'll even put out a 4' pool with goldfish to look at! I guess I'm just jealous but I would definitely be upset if I had .... despite the fact I'd be SOL if it was taken away. I just realized, I can see a golf course from my roof. Guess I got a good deal.


Some premiers off Pinellas were $150k for golf views. Don't forget the $500k lots over looking the swamp down past Belle Glade.


:22yikes:

[Bjeanj]

The property owners north of 466 have formed a "protest" group. Click here (https://v2pw.com/) for more.

Good luck with that. You might feel better, but do not expect a different outcome. It is Developer property, and they will maximize their investment, trying to balance with aesthetics. They might miss the mark, but that’s probably their aim.

[EdFNJ]

Some premiers off Pinellas were $150k for golf views. Don't forget the $500k lots over looking the swamp down past Belle Glade.


:22yikes:


I guess I'm just naive! My mother (RIP) always said that I should have been a doctor instead of a computer geek. :ohdear:

[asianthree]

We have looked at multiple golf sites, those with a cart path with x amount of feet, were a no. We did find a house we loved on the course with a pool but due to the tree planting you had to walk out to a corner of the yard to see the course. For $850,000 the dense planting was a no for us. And yes a view site starts at $100,000 and up

[starflyte1]

The Hac-y folks probably paid $5k extra, they got their investment back.

what do you mean?

[starflyte1]

No golf courses have ended up as "apartment housing" in The Villages. A defunct Country Club Restaurant is becoming apartment housing....limited to the same older people and property restrictions we all have. There will be no kids. There will be older people. Seems to me to be a tempest in a teapot.

I think the OP is talking about a Championship Course, I am guessing Evans Prarie. I imagine it is disappointing to have a golf cart path where there was not one before, but trees shouldn't be a downer.
I live on a Championship Course with the cart path less than 10 ft from my screened pool cage. Very, very few golfers use the path.

[jacksonbrown]

Seems to me to be a tempest in a teapot.

Unless it is YOUR teapot.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I’ve been on 5 golf courses , 2 in the villages , I didn’t have to be told that things can change in course . I don’t think the changes are going to totally obstruct your view and I would like to believe the changes are needed or they wouldn’t do them .The people making fun of the money people pay for lots make me laugh , is it because you couldn’t afford one or that you feel we should all live in a one size fits all like a trailer court

[graciegirl]

Unless it is YOUR teapot.

I just photographed The Villages Map where the Hacienda C.C. was and then Binged the properties adjacent to it. The one closest to H.C.C.C. sold for the mid 200's in 1998. The latest Zillow Zestimate is in the mid 400's. I will watch, and you can too if the properties closest to where Hacienda C.C. was change in value when the apartments are built.

I see no reason why the property value would change downward.

The apartments will be built and we will see who is right on this in about six months.

[Dana1963]

Never trust a real estate agent unless it’s written into contract. I doubt a lawyer can help you except taking your money.

[golfing eagles]

Do people REALLY pay "over $100,000 EXTRA" to watch people driving around on golf carts hitting balls and to see water? $100,000 !!! WOWZA !! Maybe I can sell viewing of my 10' deep back yard with my neighbors palm tree for $50 an hour from my bedroom widow with all the spring water you can drink and I'll even put out a 4' pool with goldfish to look at! I guess I'm just jealous but I would definitely be upset if it had been taken away .... despite the fact I'd be SOL if it was taken away.

I just realized, I can see a golf course from my roof. Guess I got a good deal.

Yes, they do. My lot premium on a champ course in 2014 was 176,000. Today I played golf with a gentleman who is building a house in Bradford (south of 44) on an exec course with a water view and his premium is 190,000. Still cheaper than beachfront in Palm Beach:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Stu from NYC]

Do people REALLY pay "over $100,000 EXTRA" to watch people driving around on golf carts hitting balls and to see water? $100,000 !!! WOWZA !! Maybe I can sell viewing of my 10' deep back yard with my neighbors palm tree for $50 an hour from my bedroom widow with all the spring water you can drink and I'll even put out a 4' pool with goldfish to look at! I guess I'm just jealous but I would definitely be upset if it had been taken away .... despite the fact I'd be SOL if it was taken away.

I just realized, I can see a golf course from my roof. Guess I got a good deal.

Here in Bonita lot will cost well over $ 100,000 for lot with view of golf course and lake.

[Two Bills]

Bill. Maybe in U.K. there is redress for something like this but I think this gentleman would be wasting his money on a lawyer. ( This is the first time I have ever disagreed with you Bill)

The Developer's have used very skilled lawyers to cover things like this.... and they aren't novices. It isn't that I don't feel sorry for him and probably the folks who are changing the direction of the water are wishing they didn't have to build a new cart path. I guess I pretty much think that the builders do very little wrong, but sometimes water has to be redirected. I feel sorry for this fellow. Wonder what the water issue is on Evans Prairie where they are planning to change the path of the golf cart path????

Anybody play a hole that is soggy???? Come to think of it, I think Henry said he did. I will ask him when he returns. He knows every Championship Course here like the back of his hand.

I have no idea what the law in UK is regarding this matter, anymore than how the law works in the USA.
But.
If I had paid, as stated by the OP. $100,000 more for a facility, and a few years after purchase someone was going to take that facility away, I would be outside the door of someone who specialises in such matters, first thing the following morning.
I am sure the developers lawyers crossed all the T's and dotted the I's, but if selling something and then taking it away is fine, "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark!"
The guy did not buy under a flightpath, and then start complaining about the noise!

[GreySkies]

The property owners north of 466 have formed a "protest" group. Click here (https://v2pw.com/) for more.

Based on the number of property owners north of 466 and the total views this web site has so far.... and that there is currently only ONE "story" to share.... the support is extremely limited, probably a small handful of unhappy residents who don't like the current changes proposed by the developer.

Good luck getting the developers attention, it's like a fruit fly buzzing around Godzilla's head. :shocked:

[dewilson58]

There is a good chance SOME DAY, most golf courses could be replaced with houses or condo's or apartments. We all know the interest in golf is decreasing. I don't know if it will be 10 years, 20 years or 50 years, but IF the negative golf trend is real and it continues, why would anyone continue to maintain courses with insufficient course revenue. No body.

There are no guarantees.

Premiums were paid based on the then current state.

[Jayhawk]

There is a good chance SOME DAY, most golf courses could be replaced with houses or condo's or apartments. We all know the interest in golf is decreasing. I don't know if it will be 10 years, 20 years or 50 years, but IF the negative golf trend is real and it continues, why would anyone continue to maintain courses with insufficient course revenue. No body.

There are no guarantees.

Premiums were paid based on the then current state.


Excellent analysis and explanation. Here's an industry periodical confirming exactly what you wrote.

Gone with the wind: 10 of our favorite golf courses to close in 2019 | Golf Advisor (https://www.golfadvisor.com/articles/closed-golf-courses-in-2019)


"Whatever you believe is causing all these closures - that golf is too expensive, too hard or takes too much time - is somewhat irrelevant. Courses will continue to close, especially ones that are mismanaged, overpriced, too far removed from a population center or too valuable to developers. It's the circle of life (in golf)."

[asianthree]

I just photographed The Villages Map where the Hacienda C.C. was and then Binged the properties adjacent to it. The one closest to H.C.C.C. sold for the mid 200's in 1998. The latest Zillow Zestimate is in the mid 400's. I will watch, and you can too if the properties closest to where Hacienda C.C. was change in value when the apartments are built.

I see no reason why the property value would change downward.

The apartments will be built and we will see who is right on this in about six months.

Today put that house on any other championship, and it’s $600,000 to $900,000. But the Inside of the older houses have that architecture detail.

[John41]

The property owners north of 466 have formed a "protest" group. Click here (https://v2pw.com/) for more.

I just joined. This group has the power of the press to get the developers attention. It did for our group of villa owners. There is strength in numbers.

[John41]

When I bought my new golf course home from The Villages Real Estate in 2014, the agent said I was paying over a $100,000 premium for my view of the golf course, a large lake, and the fact there was no golf cart path behind my house. Because of golf course drainage issues, the golf course is now proposing to plant evergreen trees that will partially block my view and add a golf cart path behind my house. When I expressed my concerns to a Ricky, who was behind my house this morning and who I was told was in charge of all the golf courses, I got an arrogant attitude of they can do whatever they want.

So my questions are:
1. Can the golf course do whatever they want, even if it means decreasing the value of adjacent properties? (I'm trying to avoid hiring a lawyer if there really is no recourse.)
2. What is Ricky's last name, title, and email contact info. Same information for his boss.
3. I've tried contacting the CDD and Sumter Co. and can not get a straight answer regarding their need to get a permit. Do they need a permit?
4. Has anyone had success dealing with The Developer to get them to be a good neighbor or taking legal action against them?

Any truly helpful information or comments are appreciated.

Contact the POA. They answer questions in their monthly newsletter. Beyond that I would contact a lawyer who works in that area of the law. Often they give a free or low cost consultation to see if you have a case. For $100,00 it’s worth a try. Disregard those on this forum who discourage you from pursuing your options to getting a resolution of your issue. Then join the POA if you aren’t a member and also this new group V2P that has a post in this thread.

To those who say the developers lawyers are so smart you can’t win, well they lost a $45 million judgement.

[vintageogauge]

Today you can't get near an executive course for $100,000. The OP may not be happy with the changes but the lot is still going to have a premium well over $100,000. That being said, I lived on a golf course for 13 years and sill never do it again. We are now on a peaceful pond with great views that is very private and quiet, much better than a golf course view. I know it's only one man's opinion but it's something to think about.

[EdFNJ]

Yes, they do. My lot premium on a champ course in 2014 was 176,000. Today I played golf with a gentleman who is building a house in Bradford (south of 44) on an exec course with a water view and his premium is 190,000. Still cheaper than beachfront in Palm Beach:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: I guess that is funny. It shows that some of us got it and some of us don't. :) If I had $176G's or $190G's to burn, personally, I think I'd use it a little differently than to look at a golf course, but that's just me since I don't have it. :icon_wink: All the power to you!

[asianthree]

I guess that is funny. It shows that some of us got it and some of us don't. :) If I had $176G's or $190G's to burn, personally, I think I'd use it a little differently than to look at a golf course, but that's just me since I don't have it. :icon_wink: All the power to you!

But if it went up for sale today price on that house will be more than $250,000 to $400,000 from last sale. We have looked at 37 homes, and that seems to be the profit from last sale. So far no other house has that much increase with no improvement.

[Bjeanj]

I just joined. This group has the power of the press to get the developers attention. It did for our group of villa owners. There is strength in numbers.

Boy, I hate to rain on your parade. But, press? Certainly not The Daily Sun. Probably not the Orlando Sentinel, which seems to like to do hatchet jobs on TV, which everyone knows and just ignores.

What press?

[HIgolfers]

Bill. Maybe in U.K. there is redress for something like this but I think this gentleman would be wasting his money on a lawyer. ( This is the first time I have ever disagreed with you Bill)

The Developer's have used very skilled lawyers to cover things like this.... and they aren't novices. It isn't that I don't feel sorry for him and probably the folks who are changing the direction of the water are wishing they didn't have to build a new cart path. I guess I pretty much think that the builders do very little wrong, but sometimes water has to be redirected. I feel sorry for this fellow. Wonder what the water issue is on Evans Prairie where they are planning to change the path of the golf cart path????

Anybody play a hole that is soggy???? Come to think of it, I think Henry said he did. I will ask him when he returns. He knows every Championship Course here like the back of his hand.

Evans Prairie consistently has drainage issues. It was closed all last week due to the heavy rains we had. Of all the champ courses in TV EP seems to be the one that is most adversely affected by rain.

[Northwoods]

When I bought my new golf course home from The Villages Real Estate in 2014, the agent said I was paying over a $100,000 premium for my view of the golf course, a large lake, and the fact there was no golf cart path behind my house. Because of golf course drainage issues, the golf course is now proposing to plant evergreen trees that will partially block my view and add a golf cart path behind my house. When I expressed my concerns to a Ricky, who was behind my house this morning and who I was told was in charge of all the golf courses, I got an arrogant attitude of they can do whatever they want.

So my questions are:
1. Can the golf course do whatever they want, even if it means decreasing the value of adjacent properties? (I'm trying to avoid hiring a lawyer if there really is no recourse.)
2. What is Ricky's last name, title, and email contact info. Same information for his boss.
3. I've tried contacting the CDD and Sumter Co. and can not get a straight answer regarding their need to get a permit. Do they need a permit?
4. Has anyone had success dealing with The Developer to get them to be a good neighbor or taking legal action against them?

Any truly helpful information or comments are appreciated.

I do feel sorry for you. I live on a view lot and paid a premium for the lot. I would not be happy if that situation changed.

It sounds like they have a drainage issue. Golf courses are part of the "drainage" strategy if we get a hurricane. A few years ago after a hurricane courses were closed for a month because they were flooded with water. BUT their strategy saved a lot of homes from being flooded.

I don't know if they are making changes in case of a hurricane, or if this part of the course is constantly soggy... which could damage the course or lead to temporarily closing an amenity.

I do feel your pain. But I think you have an uphill battle.

[JoMar]

Not sure what they are trying to accomplish, halt the building of the apartments? Then what do they expect? An empty lot? Total loss of the facilities? Just curious.

[John41]

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[Retiring]

When I bought my new golf course home from The Villages Real Estate in 2014, the agent said I was paying over a $100,000 premium for my view of the golf course, a large lake, and the fact there was no golf cart path behind my house. Because of golf course drainage issues, the golf course is now proposing to plant evergreen trees that will partially block my view and add a golf cart path behind my house. When I expressed my concerns to a Ricky, who was behind my house this morning and who I was told was in charge of all the golf courses, I got an arrogant attitude of they can do whatever they want.

So my questions are:
1. Can the golf course do whatever they want, even if it means decreasing the value of adjacent properties? (I'm trying to avoid hiring a lawyer if there really is no recourse.)
2. What is Ricky's last name, title, and email contact info. Same information for his boss.
3. I've tried contacting the CDD and Sumter Co. and can not get a straight answer regarding their need to get a permit. Do they need a permit?
4. Has anyone had success dealing with The Developer to get them to be a good neighbor or taking legal action against them?

Any truly helpful information or comments are appreciated.


My layman’s guess. Can the developer put up trees and cart path, yes. Can he lower the value of your property without paying restitution, no.

I’m sure there is FL precedent. Consult a good lawyer.

[Stu from NYC]

Not sure what they are trying to accomplish, halt the building of the apartments? Then what do they expect? An empty lot? Total loss of the facilities? Just curious.

Might give developer second thoughts about putting up lots of apt buildings.

[Rwirish]

100,000 for a view lot is cheap today.

[bowlingal]

Remember back a few years ago, the big issue of trees being cut down ( because they grew tall) and blocked the premier houses view of the lake in Bridgeport of Lake Sumter village? No one would own up to it ( the owners of the houses did this), they hired a lawyer because the villages wanted the money to replace those trees. The homeowners lost their battle, took up a collection to get the money ( I forgot how much it was) and lo and behold the lawyer presented the villages with the replacement dollars.

[Cheapbas]

A $20 investment at Home Depot will fix the tree issue.

[kendi]

Sorry to hear it but thats life. It can happen no matter where you live. We have no control over property beyond our own. No use spending your days in a tizzy about it.

[MandoMan]

When I bought my new golf course home from The Villages Real Estate in 2014, the agent said I was paying over a $100,000 premium for my view of the golf course, a large lake, and the fact there was no golf cart path behind my house. Because of golf course drainage issues, the golf course is now proposing to plant evergreen trees that will partially block my view and add a golf cart path behind my house. When I expressed my concerns to a Ricky, who was behind my house this morning and who I was told was in charge of all the golf courses, I got an arrogant attitude of they can do whatever they want.

So my questions are:
1. Can the golf course do whatever they want, even if it means decreasing the value of adjacent properties? (I'm trying to avoid hiring a lawyer if there really is no recourse.)
2. What is Ricky's last name, title, and email contact info. Same information for his boss.
3. I've tried contacting the CDD and Sumter Co. and can not get a straight answer regarding their need to get a permit. Do they need a permit?
4. Has anyone had success dealing with The Developer to get them to be a good neighbor or taking legal action against them?

Any truly helpful information or comments are appreciated.

This is what your trees will look like in ten years. I LOVE the trees behind my house. The back of the house faces due west, and those trees provide delightful later afternoon and evening shade. Be patient and you may someday be very pleased. Some evergreens block the view, but lots of evergreens don’t have low limbs and frame a view nicely while cutting glare. They can also catch or slow golf balls and keep them from hitting your house.

As for the cart path, I paid as much extra for my view as you did, and I wish the cart path were on the other side of the fairway, but so it goes. I would guess that about half the houses on the golf courses in The Villages have cart paths nearby. I’m not sure that having one nearby lowers the property value very much, and I consider the trees an improvement. If there are houses on the other side of the fairway, the trees might actually hide them from view somewhat and make your view nicer.

[akerwin1909]

An attorney would probably love to take your money, however, it’s likely a “caveat emptor” situation. Buyer beware! The only, almost, guarantee when buying real estate when buying next to vacant land is if it is owned by the state. Usually, it will remain as a park or green space. Most other property will be turned to it’s highest and best use, at some point.
This may appear worse then it actually will be.

[Travelhunter]

If as stated the OP paid $100,000 extra for the view, and the peace of no golf carts at the back of his house, and that is being taken away, I think he is entitled to be hacked off.
Some legal advice to see if you have any chance of redress would initially be money well spent.
OP will get no sympathy or worthwhile advise on here from the 'Developer can do no wrong Brigade!'
There are probably other options that you may find more acceptable.
I think you are correct in finding “the man behind the curtain” and explaining your issues.

[Annie66]

I have no idea what the law in UK is regarding this matter, anymore than how the law works in the USA.
But.
If I had paid, as stated by the OP. $100,000 more for a facility, and a few years after purchase someone was going to take that facility away, I would be outside the door of someone who specialises in such matters, first thing the following morning.
I am sure the developers lawyers crossed all the T's and dotted the I's, but if selling something and then taking it away is fine, "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark!"
The guy did not buy under a flightpath, and then start complaining about the noise!


But people did buy next to the turnpike and are complaining.

[merrymini]

The developer has their own interests in mind, not yours and they know how to take care of themselves. Their money also allows them to have pricy lawyers. You cannot control change but being on a golf course is not the same as being on the “edge” where adjacent properties can be built which are something other than residential. That being said, their attitude towards us plebeians is there for all to see. And no, they are not always right, no one is always right.

[newgirl]

Village salespeople are not Realtors so they are not under the ethical or legal obligation to tell you the truth. Most are honest but I have found few will tell you anything that could hurt the sale especially if it us a new build.

[askcarl]

No need to read further.

[stan the man]

Interesting to see what happens in the near future. Hopefully the new apartment buildings will be very limited.

Oh thanks again Stu. I just love your comments:bigbow:

[bill.noltecpa@gmail.com]

Golf course views are a premium, there are few of them and so I wouldn’t think you have lost any value to your home.

Courses change all the time to accommodate play, as new and different equipment are invented along with weather and course management.

Enjoy your home, I dream of a golf course view. Had one up once but settled for something different. Your are blessed before and you still are. Rest easy your

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

There is a good chance SOME DAY, most golf courses could be replaced with houses or condo's or apartments. We all know the interest in golf is decreasing. I don't know if it will be 10 years, 20 years or 50 years, but IF the negative golf trend is real and it continues, why would anyone continue to maintain courses with insufficient course revenue. No body.

There are no guarantees.

Premiums were paid based on the then current state.

We all know that interest in golf is decreasing? Where do you get that?

Not according to the NGF. Golf Research and Industry Data | National Golf Foundation (https://www.ngf.org/golf-industry-research/)

[davem4616]

as unhappy as I would be if this was happening to me...and if it was, it's doubtful that I could accomplish much more than putting the brakes on this for a short period of time and forking over some cash to an attorney...

[toeser]

The Hac-y folks probably paid $5k extra, they got their investment back.

You do not get a home on a golf course for an extra 5K. Try $50K.

[Kgcetm]

I recommend bringing this issue to the attention of the POA. Recent moves by the developer and the developers failure to directly address question regarding decisions that are made that negatively impact our property values creates a situation that affects many property owners and legal issues that might best be handled as a class action against the developer. .

[Two Bills]

But people did buy next to the turnpike and are complaining.

The OP is not complaining about the Turnpike, low flying aircraft, trains, or dog poop on his lawn.
Just about paying $100,000 for facilities that are allegedly being removed without consultation or compensation
So many on here seem to accept being turned over, as part and parcel of normal life in TV.
Why should you accept any percieved injustice?
He may not win, but going down without a fight?
No way!

[stan the man]

Good luck with that. You might feel better, but do not expect a different outcome. It is Developer property, and they will maximize their investment, trying to balance with aesthetics. They might miss the mark, but that’s probably their aim.

Have another glass of Kool-Aid and forget it. The King rules

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What result might happen if the developer actually heeded the concerns of the residents? I mean - if they decided "y'know what - this is bad press even though it's a great idea. But bad press = outsiders being less interested in moving in."

So what happens then? A thought - maybe instead of a big 200+ unit apartment building, they could do something like they did with the townhouses at Spanish Springs.

They are absolutely gorgeous. They're beautiful to look AT if you're outside them, and they're beautiful inside. They have lovely courtyards.

So what if..they built a 50-unit townhouse complex instead? With super-premium rents, a *private* shared pool (like the apartments at Brownwood have), maybe a private but limited outbuilding for rec activities: a kitchenette and card/meeting room, a front foyer lounge/reading area (a "quiet" foyer), bathrooms, and a modest craft area.

The entire complex could be built in two semi-circles, with a courtyard, rec-room building, and pool in the middle. Parking lots could be located at each corner of each semi-circle, with the walking and golf cart trails/paths between each parking lot. The parking lots could also have covered golf cart ports assigned to tenants who choose to pay an additional fee for the privilege, maybe even with charge ports for electric carts.

Meanwhile also have walking paths and golf cart paths with open access to other villagers.

They would STILL pay amenity fees, but because they have a few of their own private amenities (paid for with their rents), they wouldn't need to go to a different pool or have their meetings in a different rec center, for example.

I could see something on this smaller scale in that location. It would reduce the footprint, the number of residents and as a result the number of visitors, it'd provide luxury accommodations for those who are "done" being property owners, it would pretty much eliminate the traffic concern completely, as you could usually expect at least 50 cars moving in and out of the property on a given day, even when Hacienda restaurant and clubhouse were open and running.

[soniak4@gmail.com]

Bill. Maybe in U.K. there is redress for something like this but I think this gentleman would be wasting his money on a lawyer. ( This is the first time I have ever disagreed with you Bill)

The Developer's have used very skilled lawyers to cover things like this.... and they aren't novices. It isn't that I don't feel sorry for him and probably the folks who are changing the direction of the water are wishing they didn't have to build a new cart path. I guess I pretty much think that the builders do very little wrong, but sometimes water has to be redirected. I feel sorry for this fellow. Wonder what the water issue is on Evans Prairie where they are planning to change the path of the golf cart path????

Anybody play a hole that is soggy???? Come to think of it, I think Henry said he did. I will ask him when he returns. He knows every Championship Course here like the back of his hand.

Evans Prairie is the lowest lying championship course in The Villages. It is the first to close after a good rain and the last to open after a major storm, like a hurricane. I feel bad for the guy who bought a lot worth an extra $100,000 but, I don’t think he has any recourse. Like you, I think he will be wasting his money in hiring a lawyer.

[graciegirl]

What result might happen if the developer actually heeded the concerns of the residents? I mean - if they decided "y'know what - this is bad press even though it's a great idea. But bad press = outsiders being less interested in moving in."

So what happens then? A thought - maybe instead of a big 200+ unit apartment building, they could do something like they did with the townhouses at Spanish Springs.

They are absolutely gorgeous. They're beautiful to look AT if you're outside them, and they're beautiful inside. They have lovely courtyards.

So what if..they built a 50-unit townhouse complex instead? With super-premium rents, a *private* shared pool (like the apartments at Brownwood have), maybe a private but limited outbuilding for rec activities: a kitchenette and card/meeting room, a front foyer lounge/reading area (a "quiet" foyer), bathrooms, and a modest craft area.

The entire complex could be built in two semi-circles, with a courtyard, rec-room building, and pool in the middle. Parking lots could be located at each corner of each semi-circle, with the walking and golf cart trails/paths between each parking lot. The parking lots could also have covered golf cart ports assigned to tenants who choose to pay an additional fee for the privilege, maybe even with charge ports for electric carts.

Meanwhile also have walking paths and golf cart paths with open access to other villagers.

They would STILL pay amenity fees, but because they have a few of their own private amenities (paid for with their rents), they wouldn't need to go to a different pool or have their meetings in a different rec center, for example.

I could see something on this smaller scale in that location. It would reduce the footprint, the number of residents and as a result the number of visitors, it'd provide luxury accommodations for those who are "done" being property owners, it would pretty much eliminate the traffic concern completely, as you could usually expect at least 50 cars moving in and out of the property on a given day, even when Hacienda restaurant and clubhouse were open and running.

I think you are so wise in so many ways. I bet we'd get along and even become good friends, but we would have episodes when you ran your New York Mouth and I pulled rank on age and living in Ohio with all of my stubborn German relatives. You were born with a good head on your shoulders. I like so many things about you.

[Stu from NYC]

Would be interesting if a lawyer posted on here about what could be done.

Are there any limits to what the developer can or cannot do?

[dewilson58]

The OP's lot was sold as Golf Front Lot, nothing was about a view, a promise of a view, or any guarantee for life.

[Patzy]

Thanx
Yes our group is challenging loss of Marketed Lifestyle.

[Patzy]

Thanx
Yes our group is challenging loss of Marketed Lifestyle.

[Dana1963]

We all know that interest in golf is decreasing? Where do you get that?

Not according to the NGF. Golf Research and Industry Data | National Golf Foundation (https://www.ngf.org/golf-industry-research/)
NGF is paid to promote golf just as the NRA promotes gun purchases. Just like shopping Malls an article in Forbes “ Most everyone is familiar with the term “dead mall” to refer to a shopping center that has become stagnant and lost its anchors and many of its tenants. Now, suburban America is experiencing a new death right in their own backyards, one that is arguably much more difficult to address — and homeowners will be the ones paying the price, either in cash or a substantial loss of equity in their homes.

If you hadn’t heard of “dead golf course” before, you have now. Homeowners and HOAs across the U.S. are dealing with the relatively recent upswing in golf course failures. While the root cause of the business failures is still being argued (explanations range from the Great Recession to Tiger Woods’ fall from grace to the athletic tastes of millennials), one thing is certain: fewer people golf today. With fewer golfers paying to play the courses become unworkable, and ultimately, the homeowners surrounding courses are faced with the unknown.
800 golf courses failed in 2019.
There Aren't Enough Golfers To Keep All Of The U.S. Courses In Business : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2019/06/05/730057491/there-arent-enough-golfers-to-keep-all-of-the-u-s-courses-in-business).
The Bubble of the Villages is obviously a little different not everyone here is a golfer.

[Patzy]

You are not alone. And we DO BELIEVE that the TV Marketed Lifestyle is an actual TV Brand and therefore a tangible commodity. TV extensive marketing of Lifestyle certainly created the BRAND. Just as people purchase a brand and pay more based on marketed quality, trust, loyalty, etc, TV uses the Branded TV Lifestyle to attract worldwide buyers, willing to pay a significant premium to live in TV for the Marketed Lifestyle. The buyers then pay additional premium to live on an Executive Golf Course. If north of 466 they are protected. The buyer then pays additional premium for a Championship Golf Course (you are now at risk). Buyers then pay an additional premium to be beside or close to the Marketed Millionaire Lifestyle of Country Club Lifestyle ( at risk)

Pls ck us out. And invite your friends.

WHO…
We are the Villages Promises Preservation Watch (V2PW), aka the Promise Watch. As Villagers and friends who love The Villages Promised Lifestyle, we want to Preserve that Lifestyle across The Villages, North, South, East, and West.


WHY SHOULD YOU CARE… Our Elevator Speech
If you live in The Villages (TV) or are looking to purchase here, then you realize you invested in, or are considering investing in, an amazing Lifestyle. You also realize that retirement can be financially scary regarding investments that do not yield what you expected. When you decide to invest in TV you invest financially and emotionally in a home and an almost unbelievable Marketed Lifestyle.

It is impossible to visit TV without realizing why TV is an extraordinarily successful Lifestyle community. From TV marketing materials sent upon request, the Lifestyle Preview visits, the elaborate sales offices, the trolly and boat tours, TV daily newspaper and radio, and last but not least the continuously streaming music in the town squares, you know you are buying a Lifestyle.

You can find a lot of information inside and outside TV about purchasing and living here; however, so far what you probably haven’t found is what happens when TV takes back the promised features that affect your lifestyle and just as important, your property values.

A trend of eliminating lifestyle features is escalating within TV by the 3rd Generation Developers, and you should at least be aware and know enough to ask TV the right questions. And, if you already live here, join our efforts to influence the 3rd Generation Developers to “keep their promises” by joining Villages Promise Preservation Watch (V2PW). Please visit our Website and subscribe for updates and to support our efforts and our Facebook page. If you are looking to purchase in TV, take this BUYERS CHECKLIST with you.

[USA2170]

Many many things that can be done once trees are planted to get that view back....and nothing will ever grow their again.......

[graciegirl]

Thanx
Yes our group is challenging loss of Marketed Lifestyle.

In Ohio forty years ago we moved into an area and built a new home on a golf course. We enjoyed that for many years and then the golf course began losing money and was sold to a developer who built homes. First a group of homeowners bought the course and tried to run it. That is when I learned that just because someone is a successful engineer or physician that doesn't mean he/she is good at running golf courses.

I have also learned that how things work depends on whether "they" are making money or losing money. This impacts everyone. There doesn't really exist a "greedy billionaire" out to fleece you. It is a matter of what the market dictates. ALWAYS.

All of the money does not go into the rich man's pocket. The money goes into the pockets of the people who built the building, paved the parking lot, runs the operation etc. etc. etc. That money is what supports and maintains the livelihood of real people and buys the hamburger and bread and peanut butter for their kids.

I don't mind a good villain here and there because there are evil people, but not all folks who are just working on margins. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE TO TAKE A COURSE IN ECONOMICS 101.

[Nevinmann]

Recently there was an issue with a lake view that had been compromised and the homeowner worked with the developer. Typically, TV wants to keep everyone happy.

[Travelingal702]

When I bought my new golf course home from The Villages Real Estate in 2014, the agent said I was paying over a $100,000 premium for my view of the golf course, a large lake, and the fact there was no golf cart path behind my house. Because of golf course drainage issues, the golf course is now proposing to plant evergreen trees that will partially block my view and add a golf cart path behind my house. When I expressed my concerns to a Ricky, who was behind my house this morning and who I was told was in charge of all the golf courses, I got an arrogant attitude of they can do whatever they want.

So my questions are:
1. Can the golf course do whatever they want, even if it means decreasing the value of adjacent properties? (I'm trying to avoid hiring a lawyer if there really is no recourse.)
2. What is Ricky's last name, title, and email contact info. Same information for his boss.
3. I've tried contacting the CDD and Sumter Co. and can not get a straight answer regarding their need to get a permit. Do they need a permit?
4. Has anyone had success dealing with The Developer to get them to be a good neighbor or taking legal action against them?

Any truly helpful information or comments are appreciated.
Once they have your money, they can do anything they want. They don't give a hoot about you once you sign the contract. Save your money. With the lawyers they have, you can't win.

[John41]

What result might happen if the developer actually heeded the concerns of the residents? I mean - if they decided "y'know what - this is bad press even though it's a great idea. But bad press = outsiders being less interested in moving in."

So what happens then? A thought - maybe instead of a big 200+ unit apartment building, they could do something like they did with the townhouses at Spanish Springs.

They are absolutely gorgeous. They're beautiful to look AT if you're outside them, and they're beautiful inside. They have lovely courtyards.

So what if..they built a 50-unit townhouse complex instead? With super-premium rents, a *private* shared pool (like the apartments at Brownwood have), maybe a private but limited outbuilding for rec activities: a kitchenette and card/meeting room, a front foyer lounge/reading area (a "quiet" foyer), bathrooms, and a modest craft area.

The entire complex could be built in two semi-circles, with a courtyard, rec-room building, and pool in the middle. Parking lots could be located at each corner of each semi-circle, with the walking and golf cart trails/paths between each parking lot. The parking lots could also have covered golf cart ports assigned to tenants who choose to pay an additional fee for the privilege, maybe even with charge ports for electric carts.

Meanwhile also have walking paths and golf cart paths with open access to other villagers.

They would STILL pay amenity fees, but because they have a few of their own private amenities (paid for with their rents), they wouldn't need to go to a different pool or have their meetings in a different rec center, for example.

I could see something on this smaller scale in that location. It would reduce the footprint, the number of residents and as a result the number of visitors, it'd provide luxury accommodations for those who are "done" being property owners, it would pretty much eliminate the traffic concern completely, as you could usually expect at least 50 cars moving in and out of the property on a given day, even when Hacienda restaurant and clubhouse were open and running.

Very good idea. If done correctly the townhouses could blend in with single family homes.

[greenflash245]

I doubt that number is correct or reasonable. don't trust these agents.

[John41]

A $20 investment at Home Depot will fix the tree issue.

best post yet :clap2:

[Dilligas]

When I bought my new golf course home from The Villages Real Estate in 2014, the agent said I was paying over a $100,000 premium for my view of the golf course, a large lake, and the fact there was no golf cart path behind my house. Because of golf course drainage issues, the golf course is now proposing to plant evergreen trees that will partially block my view and add a golf cart path behind my house. When I expressed my concerns to a Ricky, who was behind my house this morning and who I was told was in charge of all the golf courses, I got an arrogant attitude of they can do whatever they want.

So my questions are:
1. Can the golf course do whatever they want, even if it means decreasing the value of adjacent properties? (I'm trying to avoid hiring a lawyer if there really is no recourse.)
2. What is Ricky's last name, title, and email contact info. Same information for his boss.
3. I've tried contacting the CDD and Sumter Co. and can not get a straight answer regarding their need to get a permit. Do they need a permit?
4. Has anyone had success dealing with The Developer to get them to be a good neighbor or taking legal action against them?

Any truly helpful information or comments are appreciated.
Just because they are putting in some pine trees that will "partially block" your view does not mean your home value will go down. You still have a view and will now have vegetation also. Be glad they are evergreen trees and not magnolia or live oak (which are very messy). The fact that the golf administration is addressing the 'drainage problem' on your hole and the course, will help bolster your value. Who would want a view of a flooded golf course? As for the cart path, that is a product to achieve the solution. With out it, and with drainage problems, the carts would most likely be pushed toward your property anyway and beat down the grass there. Your question as to who, you need to inquire at the Golf Administration office. The VCDDs have nothing to do with the championship courses. IMO.. from your description, the encounter with "Ricky" probably went (my guess) as such....."You can't do this here, it will ruin my view...." or something similar. Based on your input above, I would also guess you are from the New York-New Jersey area, where yelling and screaming is the only means of communication....so when you challenged his authority, his response was not to your liking....and instead of arrogant, was factual. He is in charge of the championship courses, to keep them running and in good shape. If changes are necessary, be glad he is making the changes. (other communities would not necessarily do them).

[Ramone]

The Developer will keep taking further steps to withdraw our original agreements and amenities. Silver Lake Club, Hacienda Club, Pools unfairly restricted, Katie Belles closed, apartments being build in residential areas, etc, etc. POA does nothing. Someone must organize. Write me with your email and phone #. Let's all meet and discuss the take backs and abuses! ramondov@aol.com

[rmd2]

"The agent said" - No need to read further.

I learned that the hard way when I asked about water run off and the agent told me "no problem". After the sale I had to pay for my property to regraded due to flooding into my lanai.

[graciegirl]

"The agent said" - No need to read further.

I learned that the hard way when I asked about water run off and the agent told me "no problem". After the sale I had to pay for my property to regraded due to flooding into my lanai.

That is not what others have said about warranty on this issue. Read here;

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/landscape-talk-129/water-sitting-back-yard-wont-drain-away-263409/?highlight=drainage+property

[mneumann02]

Just because they are putting in some pine trees that will "partially block" your view does not mean your home value will go down. You still have a view and will now have vegetation also. Be glad they are evergreen trees and not magnolia or live oak (which are very messy). The fact that the golf administration is addressing the 'drainage problem' on your hole and the course, will help bolster your value. Who would want a view of a flooded golf course? As for the cart path, that is a product to achieve the solution. With out it, and with drainage problems, the carts would most likely be pushed toward your property anyway and beat down the grass there. Your question as to who, you need to inquire at the Golf Administration office. The VCDDs have nothing to do with the championship courses. IMO.. from your description, the encounter with "Ricky" probably went (my guess) as such....."You can't do this here, it will ruin my view...." or something similar. Based on your input above, I would also guess you are from the New York-New Jersey area, where yelling and screaming is the only means of communication....so when you challenged his authority, his response was not to your liking....and instead of arrogant, was factual. He is in charge of the championship courses, to keep them running and in good shape. If changes are necessary, be glad he is making the changes. (other communities would not necessarily do them).

Gosh, so many wrong assumptions, guesses and statements, I'm not sure where to begin. First, I am not from NY/NJ, but from the Mid-west. I was taught to be polite, look at things from others' perspectives, and never jump to conclusions. The facts are, we have politely tried on several occasions to ask them to just work with us. But The Developer's staff has refused to even tell us exactly what they plan, just evergreens are being considered and there will be a golf cart path. And I think I am the best judge of whether I will dislike my view being partially blocked and if The Developer's staff was "arrogant", not someone who was not there.

Many thanks to all the repliers who tried to be helpful and could understand the concerns of someone who was being negatively affected by actions of The Developer.

[EviesGP]

I can't speak for the trees(would have to see them?), but if it's for drainage/erosion problems, you're likely out of luck. If they don't properly address those issues, and something happens to your home(s), they may be liable? As for the golf cart path, you located next to a golf course, so I'm not sure how you thought you would be guaranteed where paths would/would not be located? You're definitely out of luck, there.

As for location? EDITED: I figured it out and I misspoke(about the possible location, not the opinion about Pinellas).

Finally, as for paying for a view? I loved my uncle/aunt's home in Hadley, that had a nice water view. But, once I learned the premium costs, I opted not to spend that much. I remember looking at homes(2018), and saw one that was beautiful, and once I looked out the back, I looked thru the trees, and saw water beyond the trees, I ran! Cheers!

[terrykomar]

There was a small tree that would eventually block our view as it grew. I wrote a letter to the Golf Administration and explained the situation and lo and behold they removed the tree within three weeks. Now we have a clear view.

[eddie888]

Just remember, if you live on a championship golf course the villages own those . They can do what they want even put houses on it. Now ,executive courses Belong to us. Just a thought be careful it happened to friends of mine in another state where I lived. They bought beautiful houses on a golf course and the owners of that area start putting houses on the golf course. Just a thought be careful it happened to friends of mine in another state where I lived.

[graciegirl]

There was a small tree that would eventually block our view as it grew. I wrote a letter to the Golf Administration and explained the situation and lo and behold they removed the tree within three weeks. Now we have a clear view.

My point exactly. We have always got far more than we asked for when we dealt with Warranty here in The Villages. They are from the midwest too, most of them. I learned early on from my mother; "You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar".

The truth is, no matter what company policy is anywhere, if you are patient and polite, you will end up far better than if you swagger and challenge. I really believe that. AND some things like what happens to the property adjacent to yours is pretty much up to luck. You never know what will happen as times change or, for instance something terrible like the inmates getting control of the asylum. I sense that working right now.

[GreySkies]

Village salespeople are not so they are not under the ethical or legal obligation to tell you the truth. Most are honest but I have found few will tell you anything that could hurt the sale especially if it us a new build.

You keep telling yourself that that there is this MAJOR ethics difference between a Real Estate Agent and a Real Estate Agent who is also an active member of the National Association of Realtors (NAR).

Less than HALF of Real Estate Agent's are NAR members. One only needs to "agree" to adhere to NAR's strict code of ethics and standards of practice.

Just because someone agrees to follow some standards of practice does not 100% guarantee all standards will be followed "as written". Self-interest, greed and the opportunity to make GREEN are reasons why these practices are usually forgotten or ignored, standard practice of most politicians.

[BiPartisan]

The property owners north of 466 have formed a "protest" group. Click here (https://v2pw.com/) for more.

Thank you for the URL to the website. I don't understand what (besides Hacienda) we have lost. I still play golf, pickleball, and prior the pandemic go to yoga, cross fit and pilates. I have 5 pools within a mile radius, archery, and shooting range. We have plenty entertainment at Savanna Center, the Sharon and the Squares. I go everywhere in my golf cart.
So what am I missing? Oh I have been to the Polo matches (boring).
Why would I join this group?

[jimjamuser]

I do feel sorry for you. I live on a view lot and paid a premium for the lot. I would not be happy if that situation changed.

It sounds like they have a drainage issue. Golf courses are part of the "drainage" strategy if we get a hurricane. A few years ago after a hurricane courses were closed for a month because they were flooded with water. BUT their strategy saved a lot of homes from being flooded.

I don't know if they are making changes in case of a hurricane, or if this part of the course is constantly soggy... which could damage the course or lead to temporarily closing an amenity.

I do feel your pain. But I think you have an uphill battle.
I believe that science says that, for equal area, trees absorb MORE water than grass and trees have MORE evaporation cooling for the planet and produce more oxygen than grass. Also, trees prevent more fertilizer runoff which feeds green algae and kills lake fish and stream fish. So, throw away your putters and take walks in tree rich parks to save humanity. Or buy some improved versions of computer golf. A.I. anyone???

[Stu from NYC]

Thank you for the URL to the website. I don't understand what (besides Hacienda) we have lost. I still play golf, pickleball, and prior the pandemic go to yoga, cross fit and pilates. I have 5 pools within a mile radius, archery, and shooting range. We have plenty entertainment at Savanna Center, the Sharon and the Squares. I go everywhere in my golf cart.
So what am I missing? Oh I have been to the Polo matches (boring).
Why would I join this group?

People are worried this is only the beginning of what could happen.

[Ladygolfer93]

Some premiers off Pinellas were $150k for golf views. Don't forget the $500k lots over looking the swamp down past Belle Glade.


:22yikes:

Kind of highlights the obvious "anything the traffic will allow" line of thought. Even if I were wealthy, I don't think a $500K investment in a lot in a very mixed community like The Villages would be a serious investment for me, but, while doubtful (legally), I would want some kind of guarantee (highly unlikely) that I would not find changed in a major way in a year or two. Think at $500K, or even at $150K, for a lot only, I would give some serious consideration to other areas and properties, but, to each their own investment considerations.... hummm, seems $500K would go a long way to put in a few holes in your own backyard for your own private use ? :icon_wink:

[Worldseries27]

1. Dont go quixotic and support your local shyster's favorite charity
2. The developer can bring into any hearings thousands of golfers signatures petitioning for their drainage issues.
3. Invest your 50k in finding a different golf course home that's proactive not self destructive
4 heed the words of mr spock. The needs of the many outweigh the view
5 long live and prosper

[jimjamuser]

What result might happen if the developer actually heeded the concerns of the residents? I mean - if they decided "y'know what - this is bad press even though it's a great idea. But bad press = outsiders being less interested in moving in."

So what happens then? A thought - maybe instead of a big 200+ unit apartment building, they could do something like they did with the townhouses at Spanish Springs.

They are absolutely gorgeous. They're beautiful to look AT if you're outside them, and they're beautiful inside. They have lovely courtyards.

So what if..they built a 50-unit townhouse complex instead? With super-premium rents, a *private* shared pool (like the apartments at Brownwood have), maybe a private but limited outbuilding for rec activities: a kitchenette and card/meeting room, a front foyer lounge/reading area (a "quiet" foyer), bathrooms, and a modest craft area.

The entire complex could be built in two semi-circles, with a courtyard, rec-room building, and pool in the middle. Parking lots could be located at each corner of each semi-circle, with the walking and golf cart trails/paths between each parking lot. The parking lots could also have covered golf cart ports assigned to tenants who choose to pay an additional fee for the privilege, maybe even with charge ports for electric carts.

Meanwhile also have walking paths and golf cart paths with open access to other villagers.

They would STILL pay amenity fees, but because they have a few of their own private amenities (paid for with their rents), they wouldn't need to go to a different pool or have their meetings in a different rec center, for example.

I could see something on this smaller scale in that location. It would reduce the footprint, the number of residents and as a result the number of visitors, it'd provide luxury accommodations for those who are "done" being property owners, it would pretty much eliminate the traffic concern completely, as you could usually expect at least 50 cars moving in and out of the property on a given day, even when Hacienda restaurant and clubhouse were open and running.
I agree that your visionis GREAT!......but ONLY for normal times.....like AFTER CV (ACV). The biggest reason is that indoors is 15 times worse for CV than outdoors. when you put large groups of unrelated people (older types like us) INSIDE, then the CV goes rampant. Unfortunately, during this Plague, the best housing strategy would be a micro-home, that was set up for OUTDOOR living and on 1 acre - and inhabited by related or life partner type Seniors.

Yes! my home solution was pie-in-the-sky marginally practical. But, I assumed that your solution was more ideal than practical. Just MY opinion - I may have mis-read the intent - I do that sometimes.

[dewilson58]

Kind of highlights the obvious "anything the traffic will allow" line of thought. Even if I were wealthy, I don't think a $500K investment in a lot in a very mixed community like The Villages would be a serious investment for me, but, while doubtful (legally), I would want some kind of guarantee (highly unlikely) that I would not find changed in a major way in a year or two. Think at $500K, or even at $150K, for a lot only, I would give some serious consideration to other areas and properties, but, to each their own investment considerations.... hummm, seems $500K would go a long way to put in a few holes in your own backyard for your own private use ? :icon_wink:


I heard there will be house boats in the swamp behind the $500k lots.

[Stu from NYC]

I heard there will be house boats in the swamp behind the $500k lots.

They will be fully furnished

[Ladygolfer93]

When I bought my new golf course home from The Villages Real Estate in 2014, the agent said I was paying over a $100,000 premium for my view of the golf course, a large lake, and the fact there was no golf cart path behind my house. Because of golf course drainage issues, the golf course is now proposing to plant evergreen trees that will partially block my view and add a golf cart path behind my house. When I expressed my concerns to a Ricky, who was behind my house this morning and who I was told was in charge of all the golf courses, I got an arrogant attitude of they can do whatever they want.

So my questions are:
1. Can the golf course do whatever they want, even if it means decreasing the value of adjacent properties? (I'm trying to avoid hiring a lawyer if there really is no recourse.)
2. What is Ricky's last name, title, and email contact info. Same information for his boss.
3. I've tried contacting the CDD and Sumter Co. and can not get a straight answer regarding their need to get a permit. Do they need a permit?
4. Has anyone had success dealing with The Developer to get them to be a good neighbor or taking legal action against them?

Any truly helpful information or comments are appreciated.

This one is "probably" a dead end but, depends on what it is worth to you to pay for a legal opinion.

Keep in mind, it will be difficult to find an attorney who wants to go against such a power house family with unlimited legal resources.. think David and Goliath when you consider.

Also consider when reading this and many other social media sites that Villagers post on; there is a devoted group of individuals living here who are so supportive of "the developer(s)" that they are completely blind to genuine grievances and concerns. There has been an arrogance and almost autocratic philosophy here from way back and people do not seem to object. Most of us have been happy "enough" to stay, and the true robot like devotees have only one reply, if you don't like it "move". That's not a really realistic, or even mentally healthy view either. While we want a calm peaceful community, it is also not healthy to close our eyes at every small autocratic step. It's one of the major pitfalls of this kind of community where there is essentially no real representation, no real community government. Obviously, you can see all over Florida many retirees are perfectly willing to submit to this. Rather it will finally go too far, perhaps ? But, in the end, the only actual alternative may be that advice given by those who refuse to accept any evidence that this is not a perfect fantasy-land. Maybe because none of us want to think we made a mistake ? Maybe many of us don't want any negatives out into the nation at large at the danger of lowering our property values ? Maybe we just don't want the bubble to burst, don't want to know the emperor is actually naked after all ? One thing for sure, many of us stay, but it's also obvious many are moving. In the end, it's always an individual thing isn't it ! ?