Muslims who oppose Ground Zero Mosque

[Guest]

With the debate going on I thought this article from the Ottawa Citizen would be of interest to those who oppose the Mosque and the "politically-correct" who think it's just dandy.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mischief+Manhattan/3370303/story.html#ixzz0w9vI8Gqq

[Guest]

Are you aware of what the term "causality" means? That three of the terrorists happened to 'come from' that area means nothing. Again, to draw a parallel, because Father James Porter raped 150 (by his own admission) boys while working at a particular Catholic Church, does that mean we should close it down?

There was a horrible murder in Mont Vernon NH this past year (woman murdered, daughter severely injured in a machete attack). I happened to personally know one of the killers, was good friends with his father and that same killer wanted to date my younger daughter at one point. The father is an elder in the Mormon church and one of the nicest guys I've ever know. The other son is attending BYU and is an excellent student. Should they all be tarred with a broad brush of 'guilt by association'? Should I?

We have to remember who the enemies are. The Wahabbists come to mind. They are not all of Islam by a long shot. And we keep propping up the dictatorship that not only allows them to exist but breeds members with their repressive regime.

[Guest]

Outrageous!!

A man who is Catholic commits a crime AGAINST HIS RELIGION and is vilified and castigated by the powers of his religion and you think his religion is culpable?

A man murders and you would vilify his religion in what context?

But three men "in the name of Allah" murder 3,000 innocent American civilians and are held up as martyrs by the leaders of their religion and no leader of their religion has denounced this or the hundreds of other islamic attacks on the innocent in their native language to a muslim audience and you don't see the correlation to their religion and their deeds?

Are you serious?

[Guest]

I really do not know how to respond to this but let me try. I am sure that not all Muslims are bad. However people keep saying that is radical Muslims who have committed these atrocities. I think that they are wrong. The problem is not the individual Muslim. It is Islam. Study it for while and you'll begin to see that these things that are happening is what is preached in the Koran and the hadith.

For those who will now jump up and down on Christianity and the Crusades that's true also but Christianity grew up. It is not still living in the sixth century.

I think it is very important that everyone understand how our enemy thinks and why they think that way. The problem may be only 1% of Islam is trying to harm us. That is over 1 million people. That is larger than most armies.

Just some thoughts.

Yoda

[Guest]

Liberalism at it's best. No right and wrong, no good or evil, just areas of gray.

[Guest]

I think a major part of the solution is for the 'moderate' muslims to stand up and refuse to accept the radicals amongst them.

It's just a theory of mine, but Christianity had a big head start on Islam and has 'matured' to the point that many are beyond tribalism and won't protect someone just because they are of the same faith. Sure, there are some examples of that (like the people in the Carolinas who sheltered a serial abortion clinic bomber) but, by and large, criminals are turned in to the authorities.

My personal opinion is that Islam is at a crossroads that reminds me of what must have gone on during the Renaissance or after the Salem Witch Trials. Back in the 9th century, Islam preserved much of the knowledge that was lost in the Dark Ages. But as we can all see, there are parts of Islam that seem to be stuck there, never moving from the 9th century. Sure, I complain about the Catholic church all the time but they certainly have a better track record in that regard.

It still seems to me that the mullahs are competing with each other to ascend to some sort of primacy over Islam. It's not like they have an equivalent to a Pope (even so, there are a lot of Christian denominations that don't recognize him, though I think one can see my point)

[Guest]

Diplong, it seems your only point is your hatred of Catholics. I myself see your rantings as one dimensional.

[Guest]

QUOTE=Yoda;283933]I really do not know how to respond to this but let me try. I am sure that not all Muslims are bad. However people keep saying that is radical Muslims who have committed these atrocities. I think that they are wrong. The problem is not the individual Muslim. It is Islam. Study it for while and you'll begin to see that these things that are happening is what is preached in the Koran and the hadith.

For those who will now jump up and down on Christianity and the Crusades that's true also but Christianity grew up. It is not still living in the sixth century.

I think it is very important that everyone understand how our enemy thinks and why they think that way. The problem may be only 1% of Islam is trying to harm us. That is over 1 million people. That is larger than most armies.

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For those who have not seen the recent report of
"Honor Killing in America" - chilling
There are 4 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv162nK2uv0&NR=1

[Guest]

I'm just using Catholicism as an example because it happens to be a very flagrant example. I also happen to know more than a little about it as I was raised under that religion and went through MANY of the rituals. I was an altar boy [let me know when you stop laughing :) ], went through Baptism (twice, but that's another story), First Communion, Confirmation and my first marriage through the Church.

I have no hatred towards Catholicism. My 'hatred' is for those *individuals* who shelter child rapists and do so hiding behind the institution of the Church. I have no hatred for Christians in general. Heck, two weeks ago I *married* a devout Christian.

I've tried repeatedly explaining, for example, that it's the double-standard that gets my blood going - and using the Catholic Church as an EXAMPLE of it. But no matter HOW many times I say that, people insist that I'm *really* saying something else.

How would you like it if you were explaining yourself and people ignored you only to tell you what you REALLY meant? It's *very* frustrating.

I'll put it to you this way. Do I want to see Catholicism abolished? No. Not at all. There are, however, a lot of people wearing robes that I would like to see in prison.

[Guest]

Chilling video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-HIQQMUrLc

[Guest]

I really do not know how to respond to this but let me try. I am sure that not all Muslims are bad. However people keep saying that is radical Muslims who have committed these atrocities. I think that they are wrong. The problem is not the individual Muslim. It is Islam. Study it for while and you'll begin to see that these things that are happening is what is preached in the Koran and the hadith.

For those who will now jump up and down on Christianity and the Crusades that's true also but Christianity grew up. It is not still living in the sixth century.

I think it is very important that everyone understand how our enemy thinks and why they think that way. The problem may be only 1% of Islam is trying to harm us. That is over 1 million people. That is larger than most armies.

Just some thoughts.

Yoda

I believe you are right on this issue, Yoda.