Reactions of people who are requested to wear a mask

[coffeebean]

I'm afraid to say, there are a handful of our fellow Americans who have become wack jobs when it comes to wearing a mask. I feel sorry employees who have to deal with these situations........

Maskless woman at KFC hops on counter, demands service after being asked to comply with COVID rules | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/maskless-woman-kfc-counter-demands-service)

California McDonald’s employee assaulted by customer in drive-thru window over mask policy | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/california-mcdonalds-employee-assaulted-customer-drive-thru-mask)

Burger King customer throws tape dispenser at worker over face mask policy: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/burger-king-customer-throws-tape-dispenser-face-mask)

[Bjeanj]

You’re right. Tensions with some are running high. There is not enough $$ to pay me to work in retail/food service these days. Aside from the fact that I’m retired. Various reasons why tensions are high, but same result; over reactive and sometimes violent.

[Freehiker]

This is what “timeouts” and participation trophies get you.

[Stu from NYC]

sick people out there

[La lamy]

I'm afraid to say, there are a handful of our fellow Americans who have become wack jobs when it comes to wearing a mask. I feel sorry employees who have to deal with these situations........

Maskless woman at KFC hops on counter, demands service after being asked to comply with COVID rules | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/maskless-woman-kfc-counter-demands-service)

California McDonald’s employee assaulted by customer in drive-thru window over mask policy | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/california-mcdonalds-employee-assaulted-customer-drive-thru-mask)

Burger King customer throws tape dispenser at worker over face mask policy: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/burger-king-customer-throws-tape-dispenser-face-mask)

Wow, I'm sure, or hope, there's crazy drugs in their systems to explain this crap.

[davem4616]

This is what “timeouts” and participation trophies get you.


exactly

[Altavia]

If there were not masks, it would be something else.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This is what “timeouts” and participation trophies get you.

Only the first of the three links gave any indication of the attackers' ages. The first was the video, and the woman looked to be in her 20's or 30's. That would mean hm - oh yeah. The age of your grandchildren. So - participating trophies and time-outs provided by people the age of your kids. Which one of you taught your kids that it was acceptable to provide time-outs and participation trophies to their kids? Cause the idea didn't come out of a zebra's butt.

Meanwhile, we don't know the ages of the other two. If one of them was in their 70's, would you accuse fox of reporting age discriminatory fake news? Or would you just accept that some people are screwed up in the head?

Are you so sure that participation trophies and time outs are the reason why some people act out? Are you really and truly sure? How many folks here have a relative over the age of 40, who has either been in jail, been in a fight, gotten a ticket for reckless driving, been accused of a crime, participated in any kind of protest at all, drove drunk (whether or not they got caught)...

How many of you even KNOW if you have a relative who fits the above criteria?

Believe me - it's not the result of participation trophies and time outs. I never got either and I did my share of acting out when I was young. For me it was a matter of "you and what army are going to STOP me from doing whatever I want?" Time out? Pfft. There's no lock on my door. Participation trophy? Screw that, I want to WIN. If I can't win, then I don't deserve a trophy. We used to get those in bowling league, I thought it was a huge waste of league money.

[Boomer]

In Ohio Dr. Amy Acton, the state’s director of health, resigned after she and her family were threatened by people showing up at her house, waving flags and carrying assault weapons and signs saying, “No violence — yet.”

Dr. Acton had dared to encourage mask-wearing — but gave up after being terrorized by pseudo-patriots.

Another woman doctor was recently appointed to take Dr. Acton’s place. She withdrew before she even started the job — cited “personal reasons” — a.k.a. threats.

I am in total shock that people I know can support this kind of America.

Do they even know these things are happening? If so, how can they support it — by what they say — or with sinister, tacit approval? (shudder)

[Mikey Osmond]

Good points, OrangeBlossomBaby! In most of the videos of people being resistant to wearing masks I've seen the individual looked to be at least middle aged. Not to mention participation trophies have been around since World War I so you can't even put that on Millennials and Gen Zers. Entitlement knows no generation.

[B-flat]

This is what “timeouts” and participation trophies get you.

Plus 1.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

In Ohio Dr. Amy Acton, the state’s director of health, resigned after she and her family were threatened by people showing up at her house, waving flags and carrying assault weapons and signs saying, “No violence — yet.”

Dr. Acton had dared to encourage mask-wearing — but gave up after being terrorized by pseudo-patriots.

Another woman doctor was recently appointed to take Dr. Acton’s place. She withdrew before she even started the job — cited “personal reasons” — a.k.a. threats.

I am in total shock that people I know can support this kind of America.

Do they even know these things are happening? If so, how can they support it — by what they say — or with sinister, tacit approval? (shudder)

Basically - they call it "Fake News" and immediately remind you of "her e-mails." Facts don't matter to these kinds of people. They will be attracted to something shiny, and will hold on to that shiny thing even while its razor-sharp blade cuts them to ribbons.

[CFrance]

Plus 1.

This is what “timeouts” and participation trophies get you.
I say baloney to that. It's how you model behavior to your kids. How you get them to respect adults and authority without using violence. What you expect of them.


Our kids got plenty of participation trophies. They knew those things were useless. They concentrated on the areas they were good at. Even at the teenage acting-out stages, they never disrespected us or authority.



Some of it is the genetic makeup of the kid--thank god for my husband and I. The rest is the balancing act of parenting without violence while still showing consequences. We were only semi good at it, but thankfully it was enough.


There are many ways to discipline a child without resorting to violence,.

[donassaid]

Not condoning these actions but I, for one, am sick and tired of the misinformation out there about the real cause of deaths, numbers of infections, false test results, masks don’t work, masks are required, etc. Never before in history have such radical steps been taken especially when such a minute percentage of deaths have occurred in relation to the entire population and tge draconian measures being taken. Then, proven treatments like Hydroxochloroquine are wittheld by the CDC and others. Never before has such a pandemic been politicized so that people don't know what or who to believe so they get very frustrated.

[Girlcopper]

I'm afraid to say, there are a handful of our fellow Americans who have become wack jobs when it comes to wearing a mask. I feel sorry employees who have to deal with these situations........

Maskless woman at KFC hops on counter, demands service after being asked to comply with COVID rules | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/maskless-woman-kfc-counter-demands-service)

California McDonald’s employee assaulted by customer in drive-thru window over mask policy | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/california-mcdonalds-employee-assaulted-customer-drive-thru-mask)

Burger King customer throws tape dispenser at worker over face mask policy: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/burger-king-customer-throws-tape-dispenser-face-mask)
No one has “become” a wack job. They a,ways were and just have another platform to act like psychos about. Nothing new

[Girlcopper]

Not condoning these actions but I, for one, am sick and tired of the misinformation out there about the real cause of deaths, numbers of infections, false test results, masks don’t work, masks are required, etc. Never before in history have such radical steps been taken especially when such a minute percentage of deaths have occurred in relation to the entire population and tge draconian measures being taken. Then, proven treatments like Hydroxochloroquine are wittheld by the CDC and others. Never before has such a pandemic been politicized so that people don't know what or who to believe so they get very frustrated.
Steps like this have been taken many times in history but not here in the States. So, nothing new. I would rather play safe than to say “Im doing what I want”. As far as treatment and drugs being withheld? Well, I personally dont believe that at all. And yes, lots of conflicting info out there. Take it with a grain of salt, act on what sounds reasonable and go on living your life. But to act like spoiled entitled brats isnt quite what someone with a brain does.

[banjobob]

Not condoning these actions but I, for one, am sick and tired of the misinformation out there about the real cause of deaths, numbers of infections, false test results, masks don’t work, masks are required, etc. Never before in history have such radical steps been taken especially when such a minute percentage of deaths have occurred in relation to the entire population and tge draconian measures being taken. Then, proven treatments like Hydroxochloroquine are wittheld by the CDC and others. Never before has such a pandemic been politicized so that people don't know what or who to believe so they get very frustrated.

Good comment and I agree fully . Thanks

[kenoc7]

Not condoning these actions but I, for one, am sick and tired of the misinformation out there about the real cause of deaths, numbers of infections, false test results, masks don’t work, masks are required, etc. Never before in history have such radical steps been taken especially when such a minute percentage of deaths have occurred in relation to the entire population and tge draconian measures being taken. Then, proven treatments like Hydroxochloroquine are wittheld by the CDC and others. Never before has such a pandemic been politicized so that people don't know what or who to believe so they get very frustrated.
The measures taken in the US are certainly not draconian and in fact for the most part have been weak, undermined, and unenforced. If you think the measures her are draconian check out Australia where there have been relatively few cases and very few deaths. I wonder why?

[Leadbone1]

I'm afraid to say, there are a handful of our fellow Americans who have become wack jobs when it comes to wearing a mask. I feel sorry employees who have to deal with these situations........

Maskless woman at KFC hops on counter, demands service after being asked to comply with COVID rules | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/maskless-woman-kfc-counter-demands-service)

California McDonald’s employee assaulted by customer in drive-thru window over mask policy | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/california-mcdonalds-employee-assaulted-customer-drive-thru-mask)

Burger King customer throws tape dispenser at worker over face mask policy: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/burger-king-customer-throws-tape-dispenser-face-mask)

Curious your use of words. Americans have become wack jobs because they refuse to obey a ridiculous mandate that these retail businesses have no power to demand! Only a governor while implementing a state of emergency can mandate the mandatory wearing of masks. Our governor has not done that. What is frustrating is the paranoid sheep that are doing everything they are told walking around looking ridiculous even when driving in cars by themselves or golf carts by themselves. You cannot hide from a virus. Many epidemiologist have determined that these masks are useless. Looking forward to the day this ridiculous paranoia ends.

[Mardarlowe]

I've found that as long as I wear the mask under my chin that everyone is satisfied. I can lift it up if a cough or sneeze comes along. Just common sense.

[mydavid]

I'm afraid to say, there are a handful of our fellow Americans who have become wack jobs when it comes to wearing a mask. I feel sorry employees who have to deal with these situations........

Maskless woman at KFC hops on counter, demands service after being asked to comply with COVID rules | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/maskless-woman-kfc-counter-demands-service)

California McDonald’s employee assaulted by customer in drive-thru window over mask policy | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/california-mcdonalds-employee-assaulted-customer-drive-thru-mask)

Burger King customer throws tape dispenser at worker over face mask policy: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/burger-king-customer-throws-tape-dispenser-face-mask) Consider the source.

[Michread]

Not condoning these actions but I, for one, am sick and tired of the misinformation out there about the real cause of deaths, numbers of infections, false test results, masks don’t work, masks are required, etc. Never before in history have such radical steps been taken especially when such a minute percentage of deaths have occurred in relation to the entire population and tge draconian measures being taken. Then, proven treatments like Hydroxochloroquine are wittheld by the CDC and others. Never before has such a pandemic been politicized so that people don't know what or who to believe so they get very frustrated.


:clap2:

[rlcooper70]

Is there something wrong with wearing a mask when entering a store? What am I missing?

[oneclickplus]

[QUOTE=CFrance;1833010] ...How you get them to respect adults and authority without using violence ... Even at the teenage acting-out stages, they never disrespected us or authority ...

Well, here's the issue. No, they should not be resorting to violence against these "authorities". I do NOT agree with what they are doing.

However, the constitution is the law of the land. Any other "law" that disagrees with it, is an illegal law and not enforceable. In other words, no man or government has the authority to force people to wear masks or socially distance or ???

Yes, they can quarantine sick people. But they have no authority whatsoever to force a free citizenry to do any of this stuff.

For reference: a portion of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;


Well, illegal laws are being created and enforced all over the place. Liberty (quarantines of healthy people) and property (closing of businesses) are being deprived without precendent.

Rebellion (non-violent) is the only solution to a government that assumes powers that it does not legally have.

[fjbruning@hotmail.com]

The simple rule is: if you are afraid, stay home. Then you don't have to worry whether people are wearing masks. Groceries and prescriptions can be delivered.

[oneclickplus]

Only a governor while implementing a state of emergency can mandate the mandatory wearing of masks.

No, even a governor does NOT have that power under the Constitution of the United States. A "state of emergency" does not trump the US Constitution.

A portion of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

Once you accept masks and other BS, will you hand over your guns when they declare another "state of emergency".

What are the limits of a state of emergency? Answer: the US Constitution.

[Nick B]

Why are the orange worshipers such crybabies?

[Michread]

Gov. Baker’s pandemic orders were tough. Were they lawful?

The state’s highest court must decide whether the governor overstepped his authority.

By Jeff Jacoby Globe Columnist, Updated September 9, 2020, 3:00 a.m.

On Friday, six months after Governor Charlie Baker declared a state of emergency and began issuing shutdown orders in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court takes up a threshold question: Were the governor’s commands lawful?

Baker’s March 10 declaration was followed by dozens of emergency orders affecting virtually every aspect of life in the Bay State. His decrees shut down Massachusetts businesses, houses of worship, and schools; banned elective surgery; restricted travel; closed beaches and theaters; prohibited sporting events; and limited weddings and funerals to 10 people. Almost overnight, they plunged Massachusetts into a recession. Unemployment rose to 17.4 percent, the highest rate in America. The state began gradually reopening in late May, but for some businesses the shutdown proved fatal. One-fifth of Massachusetts restaurants, for example, have permanently closed their doors.

The purpose of Baker’s orders was irreproachable: to slow the spread of the coronavirus, which has now killed nearly 190,000 people in the United States and more than 9,000 in Massachusetts. Whether the decrees were the best way to address the pandemic is a question that epidemiologists and other experts will be debating for some time. But the matter before the state’s highest court isn’t whether Baker’s unilateral orders — which can be enforced with fines and imprisonment — were wise or well intended. It is whether he had the legal authority to issue them.

The lawsuit was brought by a group of small-business owners, pastors, and a private school headmaster. They argue that Baker’s orders should be deemed invalid because they were issued under the state’s 1950 Civil Defense Act — a law, they say, that does not apply to the coronavirus pandemic. That statute was enacted by the Legislature to empower governors “to defend Massachusetts from foreign invasions, armed insurrections, and similar catastrophic events,” the plaintiffs contend, and it specifies in detail the types of crises that can trigger its provisions — war or enemy attack; riots or civil disturbance; severe drought; an escape of radiation from a nuclear plant; and “fire, flood, earthquake or other natural causes.” Those, say the plaintiffs, are all “sudden cataclysmic events of limited time, place, and duration.” The law makes no reference to disease because it was never intended to apply to disease.

By contrast, the governor points to the phrase “other natural causes” and insists that the 1950 act gives him all the authority he needs. “Like fires, floods, and earthquakes, COVID-19 is a natural phenomenon,” he observes in a brief prepared by the attorney general’s office. He also points to the law’s preamble, which described the act as “an emergency law, necessary for the immediate preservation of the public health, safety, and convenience.” Far from overstepping his lawful authority, Baker maintains, he is “discharging his constitutional prerogative, as well as his constitutional duty,” by issuing orders under the Civil Defense Act.

If so, why has no governor ever done what Baker has done?

Massachusetts has experienced multiple epidemics in the decades since the Legislature enacted the Civil Defense Act, yet Baker is the first governor to invoke the act to fight the spread of disease. There’s a reason that hasn’t been done before, the challengers argue: A rapidly spreading disease is not a civil defense emergency. It is a public health emergency — and for that, the Legislature enacted the Public Health Act, which has been on the books for more than a century. That is the law intended to govern the state’s response to COVID-19, the plaintiffs assert. “Governor Baker simply cannot substitute the inapposite Civil Defense Act to ignore or suspend the very statute the [Legislature] wrote to protect Massachusetts from pandemics.”

This isn’t merely a wonky dispute over legislative interpretation. Nothing in the Public Health Act authorizes the kind of comprehensive economic shutdown that the governor imposed on Massachusetts. That law delegates considerable power to local health officials, not the governor. If Baker issued orders by relying on a statute that doesn’t actually grant him that power, those orders were, in legalese, “ultra vires” — beyond the scope of his authority. Until and unless lawmakers empower Baker to issue emergency orders to address a pandemic, the plaintiffs argue, he may not do so. So far, lawmakers haven’t acted.

Courts are typically reluctant to overturn emergency measures designed for public protection. But such deference has its limits. Defeating the coronavirus is a crucial public good. Upholding the rule of law is too.

[camaguey48]

Basically - they call it "Fake News" and immediately remind you of "her e-mails." Facts don't matter to these kinds of people. They will be attracted to something shiny, and will hold on to that shiny thing even while its razor-sharp blade cuts them to ribbons.
Agree. Don't believe everything you see or hear. Even salt looks like sugar.

[KRM0614]

I'm afraid to say, there are a handful of our fellow Americans who have become wack jobs when it comes to wearing a mask. I feel sorry employees who have to deal with these situations........

Maskless woman at KFC hops on counter, demands service after being asked to comply with COVID rules | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/maskless-woman-kfc-counter-demands-service)

California McDonald’s employee assaulted by customer in drive-thru window over mask policy | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/california-mcdonalds-employee-assaulted-customer-drive-thru-mask)

Burger King customer throws tape dispenser at worker over face mask policy: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/burger-king-customer-throws-tape-dispenser-face-mask)
By the same token those with breathing issues should not be judged

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

No, even a governor does NOT have that power under the Constitution of the United States. A "state of emergency" does not trump the US Constitution.

A portion of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

Once you accept masks and other BS, will you hand over your guns when they declare another "state of emergency".

What are the limits of a state of emergency? Answer: the US Constitution.

See the bolded underlined thing in the quote you quoted? Life, liberty. The government cannot deprive anyone of either of those things without due process.

And so - if the general population is at risk of losing their life (to the virus) or liberty (to having to be isolated as a result of the virus) then - it is their duty to do what they can to prevent that risk of loss.

Mandating masks can reduce that risk of loss.

My life and liberty is more important than your freedom to uncover your face.

[Leadbone1]

Is there something wrong with wearing a mask when entering a store? What am I missing?

There’s nothing wrong with wearing a mask in a store if you choose. There’s also nothing wrong with not wearing one if you choose and don’t believe in them. So many people are missing the point. This is the United States of America. We don’t just fall in line every time somebody says to do this or do that regardless of whether it makes any sense or not.

[Leadbone1]

No, even a governor does NOT have that power under the Constitution of the United States. A "state of emergency" does not trump the US Constitution.

A portion of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

Once you accept masks and other BS, will you hand over your guns when they declare another "state of emergency".

What are the limits of a state of emergency? Answer: the US Constitution.

Well, this is what I had heard regarding a state of emergency in a state.. That said, I totally agree with you. We are Americans in the Constitution provides us our civil liberties. Nothing can override that.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There’s nothing wrong with wearing a mask in a store if you choose. There’s also nothing wrong with not wearing one if you choose and don’t believe in them. So many people are missing the point. This is the United States of America. We don’t just fall in line every time somebody says to do this or do that regardless of whether it makes any sense or not.

There is also nothing wrong with business that is NOT government-owned, such as a supermarket, requiring visitors to wear masks.

The constitutional right to privacy is about the government's responsibility, and citizens' rights on government property. It is not about businesses that are not government-owned. Those businesses are on private property, not government property. You have no constitutional right to be on someone else's private property, with or without a mask. The owner of that property has the right to kick you out if they don't want you there (as long as the reason doesn't violate anti-discrimination laws).

[skarra]

There is also nothing wrong with business that is NOT government-owned, such as a supermarket, requiring visitors to wear masks.

The constitutional right to privacy is about the government's responsibility, and citizens' rights on government property. It is not about businesses that are not government-owned. Those businesses are on private property, not government property. You have no constitutional right to be on someone else's private property, with or without a mask. The owner of that property has the right to kick you out if they don't want you there (as long as the reason doesn't violate anti-discrimination laws).


You have it right.

The stores are free to mandate the wearing of masks, just like customers having to wear a shirt or shoes. Non-mask wearers are free to go to another store if they don't like that. But wearing a mask seems like the most community-spirited and neighborly thing one can do.

I suspect the woman in that first video at KFC was on some sort of drug, or has mental problems. If she's carrying a blanket around with her, she's probably homeless and most likely is crazy. You have to feel sorry in that we don't have enough places for her to go to get the treatment she needs.

[skarra]

Not condoning these actions but I, for one, am sick and tired of the misinformation out there about the real cause of deaths, numbers of infections, false test results, masks don’t work, masks are required, etc. Never before in history have such radical steps been taken especially when such a minute percentage of deaths have occurred in relation to the entire population and tge draconian measures being taken. Then, proven treatments like Hydroxochloroquine are wittheld by the CDC and others. Never before has such a pandemic been politicized so that people don't know what or who to believe so they get very frustrated.


It doesn't help when our leaders say one thing in private to reporters writing a book, and another thing to the public who are trying to understand whats the best way to protect themselves. And I want to know the true odds even though some may think they are small, and not be lied to. Because ultimately it is MY life they are playing with.

It was known from the very beginning that the threat is air-borne. Hence the wearing of masks makes perfect sense.

[riamd1954]

I’m totally sick of masks and believe it is necessary currently but we’ll see after keep????

[skarra]

There’s nothing wrong with wearing a mask in a store if you choose. There’s also nothing wrong with not wearing one if you choose and don’t believe in them. So many people are missing the point. This is the United States of America. We don’t just fall in line every time somebody says to do this or do that regardless of whether it makes any sense or not.


The point is that the store owner has the perfect right to refuse service to those who do not wear a mask. (just like there have been an isolated one or two store owners who refuse to serve people who do wear masks)

That is the point. You don't have to wear a mask, but you don't have the right to demand service from someone who doesn't want to serve you.

[Mikee1]

See the bolded underlined thing in the quote you quoted? Life, liberty. The government cannot deprive anyone of either of those things without due process.

And so - if the general population is at risk of losing their life (to the virus) or liberty (to having to be isolated as a result of the virus) then - it is their duty to do what they can to prevent that risk of loss.

Mandating masks can reduce that risk of loss.

My life and liberty is more important than your freedom to uncover your face.

Your last sentence is what is the issue. Your liberty cannot deny another theirs.

[tophcfa]

Maskhole - a selfish inconsiderate idiot who refuses to wear a mask

[Chitown]

Just looked it up. As of this yesterday’s close, 9-14-20, total Florida cases of Caronavirus is 666,000, total deaths in Florida blamed by coronavirus 12,600. THAT IS 1.8% death rate. I am so over the fear of contracting this virus. If people are waiting for this virus to be eradicated from existence, it’s never gonna happen vaccine or no vaccine. Dangerous viruses from many many years ago are still killing people today. The SARS virus and swine flu are still killing people today and it’s been 12 years. Life is a risk. Wash your hands often, if you feel your health makes you at a much higher risk of death then wear your mask if that makes you feel secure. As far as me, I’m going on with my life just like before the virus. Im confident that even if I was to contract it that I will be one of the 98.2% who survive. P . S. Please don’t be taken in by those who say “ there is a possibility that if you contract this virus and recover you may have long term lung or heart issues. That is a way to make you conform to keep you in fear to the way they want you to react. They have no clue for Gods sake the virus is 6 mos old. You could say that about any virus or flu.

[mainelovr]

It saddens me that there are so many people that care nothing about others. It’s not about whether they will get sick, it’s about who you spread it to. If we were all loving, caring adults, wearing a mask to prevent the spread of a virus wouldn’t be an issue. But the government has to get involved to get people to be responsible and everybody goes berserk about their “rights”. For the most part, mask wearing flattened the curve enough to prevent triage of patients to the grim reaper when hospitals became overwhelmed. If nothing else, consider the truckloads of virus victims scattered through NYC when the virus was at it’s worst there. I would suspect that most people in this country know a healthcare worker. Why no respect for them? I have a friend who lost 6 people to the virus, one was her brother. This is not a hoax. People are paying with their lives because others can’t be bothered. If we all loved each other enough to do what we can to prevent it, government intervention would never be necessary.

[Bucco]

When we were the UNITED States, this topic would be null and void. Everything now is based on what we don't like or who we don't like.

[kendi]

I'm afraid to say, there are a handful of our fellow Americans who have become wack jobs when it comes to wearing a mask. I feel sorry employees who have to deal with these situations........

Maskless woman at KFC hops on counter, demands service after being asked to comply with COVID rules | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/maskless-woman-kfc-counter-demands-service)

California McDonald’s employee assaulted by customer in drive-thru window over mask policy | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/california-mcdonalds-employee-assaulted-customer-drive-thru-mask)

Burger King customer throws tape dispenser at worker over face mask policy: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/burger-king-customer-throws-tape-dispenser-face-mask)

Those who wear masks can be just as bad. Sad how we jump to condemn others so quickly. Bet every one of us has done something to raise the eyebrows of others.

[airstreamingypsy]

Good points, OrangeBlossomBaby! In most of the videos of people being resistant to wearing masks I've seen the individual looked to be at least middle aged. Not to mention participation trophies have been around since World War I so you can't even put that on Millennials and Gen Zers. Entitlement knows no generation.

There were no participation trophies when I was a kid, I'm 74. I never heard them until the 1980s, when Gen Y started giving them out for just showing up.

[airstreamingypsy]

There’s nothing wrong with wearing a mask in a store if you choose. There’s also nothing wrong with not wearing one if you choose and don’t believe in them. So many people are missing the point. This is the United States of America. We don’t just fall in line every time somebody says to do this or do that regardless of whether it makes any sense or not.

Are you okay with no shoes no shirt no service, or do you go into restaurants without your shoes and shirt? What about seatbelts, do you use them? What about speed limits, they aren't for you? There is something wrong with not wearing one, we are all in this together as a society, and you are endangering others when you don't wear one. I bet you got participation trophies.

[Rosebud1949]

You cannot avoid the fact that this "attitude: is being lead by a person who said" I do not need to be nice now"


In Ohio Dr. Amy Acton, the state’s director of health, resigned after she and her family were threatened by people showing up at her house, waving flags and carrying assault weapons and signs saying, “No violence — yet.”

Dr. Acton had dared to encourage mask-wearing — but gave up after being terrorized by pseudo-patriots.

Another woman doctor was recently appointed to take Dr. Acton’s place. She withdrew before she even started the job — cited “personal reasons” — a.k.a. threats.

I am in total shock that people I know can support this kind of America.

Do they even know these things are happening? If so, how can they support it — by what they say — or with sinister, tacit approval? (shudder)

[coconutmama]

Well, this is what I had heard regarding a state of emergency in a state.. That said, I totally agree with you. We are Americans in the Constitution provides us our civil liberties. Nothing can override that.

But why do we call on the Constitution only when it is convenient or helps our point of view?

[matandch]

Nothing.

[Dilligas]

I've found that as long as I wear the mask under my chin that everyone is satisfied. I can lift it up if a cough or sneeze comes along. Just common sense.
a mask under your chin does nothing for any airborne contagents. The masks are there to protect you from breathing in possible infection and also to keep you from exposing others to any possible infection. Keeping it under your chin is like thumbing your nose to the world.

[rmd2]

Good points, OrangeBlossomBaby! In most of the videos of people being resistant to wearing masks I've seen the individual looked to be at least middle aged. Not to mention participation trophies have been around since World War I so you can't even put that on Millennials and Gen Zers. Entitlement knows no generation.

The people I have seen seem to be around 18-25 years old.

[Art Gariepy]

That’s the point. You “have to wear a mask”— it doesn’t say where.

[regas56]

The measures taken in the US are certainly not draconian and in fact for the most part have been weak, undermined, and unenforced. If you think the measures her are draconian check out Australia where there have been relatively few cases and very few deaths. I wonder why?.. Pretty simple really the US isn't that much larger a land mass but have 330 MILLION residents compared to Australia's 24 million.. What if we had New York's population spread out over the entire country, it would be impossible NOT to social distance..

[regas56]

Why are the orange worshipers such crybabies?
You just insulted 1/2 your friends and family.. Why would a person do that.. So Sad!!

[coffeebean]

Curious your use of words. Americans have become wack jobs because they refuse to obey a ridiculous mandate that these retail businesses have no power to demand! Only a governor while implementing a state of emergency can mandate the mandatory wearing of masks. Our governor has not done that. What is frustrating is the paranoid sheep that are doing everything they are told walking around looking ridiculous even when driving in cars by themselves or golf carts by themselves. You cannot hide from a virus. Many epidemiologist have determined that these masks are useless. Looking forward to the day this ridiculous paranoia ends.

There is a very simple solution for what you personally believe in........do not enter any establishment which has a sign posted that masks are required. You can take yourself and your rights elsewhere.

These people who act out are a bunch of snowflakes. I prefer not to have to interact with them.

[coffeebean]

I've found that as long as I wear the mask under my chin that everyone is satisfied. I can lift it up if a cough or sneeze comes along. Just common sense.

NO!!!!! Everyone is NOT satisfied with your mask below your nose or sitting on your chin. That serves no purpose at all. Don't even bother if that is what you feel will suffice in a public setting indoors. The science behind masking is very obvious. Couple masking with social distancing and we have a fighting chance against this virus.

[coffeebean]

No, even a governor does NOT have that power under the Constitution of the United States. A "state of emergency" does not trump the US Constitution.

A portion of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

Once you accept masks and other BS, will you hand over your guns when they declare another "state of emergency".

What are the limits of a state of emergency? Answer: the US Constitution.
Was the US Constitution penned with a global pandemic in mind that is killing hundreds of thousands of people?

[coffeebean]

By the same token those with breathing issues should not be judged

Those with breathing issues should stay clear of public indoor spaces.

[coffeebean]

There’s nothing wrong with wearing a mask in a store if you choose. There’s also nothing wrong with not wearing one if you choose and don’t believe in them. So many people are missing the point. This is the United States of America. We don’t just fall in line every time somebody says to do this or do that regardless of whether it makes any sense or not.

It has been proven that covering the nose and mouth with a fabric mask as simple as T- Shirt material, minimizes the transmission of airborne viruses. I'm not about to post all the links that substantiate my point. Go to YouTube and see for yourself. While you are at it, Google will also give you many links to articles that substantiate that masking helps reduce the transmission of this virus.

Believe what you prefer, but the science behind masking still stands as the standard of care to slow the spread of this virus. Couple universal masking with social distancing and your chances of catching the virus goes down even further.

[coffeebean]

I’m totally sick of masks and believe it is necessary currently but we’ll see after keep????

Huh? Want to try that again?

[jimjamuser]

Only the first of the three links gave any indication of the attackers' ages. The first was the video, and the woman looked to be in her 20's or 30's. That would mean hm - oh yeah. The age of your grandchildren. So - participating trophies and time-outs provided by people the age of your kids. Which one of you taught your kids that it was acceptable to provide time-outs and participation trophies to their kids? Cause the idea didn't come out of a zebra's butt.

Meanwhile, we don't know the ages of the other two. If one of them was in their 70's, would you accuse fox of reporting age discriminatory fake news? Or would you just accept that some people are screwed up in the head?

Are you so sure that participation trophies and time outs are the reason why some people act out? Are you really and truly sure? How many folks here have a relative over the age of 40, who has either been in jail, been in a fight, gotten a ticket for reckless driving, been accused of a crime, participated in any kind of protest at all, drove drunk (whether or not they got caught)...

How many of you even KNOW if you have a relative who fits the above criteria?

Believe me - it's not the result of participation trophies and time outs. I never got either and I did my share of acting out when I was young. For me it was a matter of "you and what army are going to STOP me from doing whatever I want?" Time out? Pfft. There's no lock on my door. Participation trophy? Screw that, I want to WIN. If I can't win, then I don't deserve a trophy. We used to get those in bowling league, I thought it was a huge waste of league money.
Re: Zebra butts. As a devoted animal lover and watcher, I am very distressed by your "flippant" dismissal of the beauty of the butts. I have gotten some of my best ideas and inspiration by staring for long periods of time at zebra butts. It is mesmerizing and transformative - like doing long yoga poses - or chanting - meditation. I stare and let my mind drift. As the zebra butt stripes start to move and form moving or sometimes straight line patterns, the lines of stripes merge to inspire my newest ideas. It is an ancient African ritual for mental cleansing.

[coffeebean]

That’s the point. You “have to wear a mask”— it doesn’t say where.
That is a bull $hit excuse and I'm not buying it. It only shows obstinence when someone does not cover the nose and the mouth when wearing a mask. Agree with poster above.....it is a way to thumb your nose at the required action.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just looked it up. As of this yesterday’s close, 9-14-20, total Florida cases of Caronavirus is 666,000, total deaths in Florida blamed by coronavirus 12,600. THAT IS 1.8% death rate. I am so over the fear of contracting this virus. If people are waiting for this virus to be eradicated from existence, it’s never gonna happen vaccine or no vaccine. Dangerous viruses from many many years ago are still killing people today. The SARS virus and swine flu are still killing people today and it’s been 12 years. Life is a risk. Wash your hands often, if you feel your health makes you at a much higher risk of death then wear your mask if that makes you feel secure. As far as me, I’m going on with my life just like before the virus. Im confident that even if I was to contract it that I will be one of the 98.2% who survive. P . S. Please don’t be taken in by those who say “ there is a possibility that if you contract this virus and recover you may have long term lung or heart issues. That is a way to make you conform to keep you in fear to the way they want you to react. They have no clue for Gods sake the virus is 6 mos old. You could say that about any virus or flu.

Okay so here's my takeaway on your opinion. Correct me if I'm wrong.

1 If it was your own spouse, child, sibling, or parent who was one of the 1.8 who died, you'd be okay with it since it's only 1.8%.

2. If 75% of all the people who tested positive, had serious symptoms that required hospitalization and possibly even intubation and ventillation but lived to tell about it, you'd be okay with that.

3. If 50% of all the people who tested positive and experienced serious symptoms, could not afford to pay the hospital bills resulting from their illness, you'd be okay with that.

4. If you got sick with COVID, had to be hospitalized and isolated from your entire family for 2 weeks, had to be put on a ventillator with a tube running down your throat, racked up hundreds of thousand of dollars in bills that Medicare only covered a fraction of, leaving you footing the rest of the bill, you'd be okay with that.

5. If you were sick as in #4, and it turned out you are the direct cause of your best friend getting sick and dying from it, you'd be okay with that since they're only one of the 1.8% of people who die from it anyway.

That's what I get from your post. Any time someone says "the death rate is "only" 1.8%" - that is what I will get from their claim.

[jimjamuser]

In Ohio Dr. Amy Acton, the state’s director of health, resigned after she and her family were threatened by people showing up at her house, waving flags and carrying assault weapons and signs saying, “No violence — yet.”

Dr. Acton had dared to encourage mask-wearing — but gave up after being terrorized by pseudo-patriots.

Another woman doctor was recently appointed to take Dr. Acton’s place. She withdrew before she even started the job — cited “personal reasons” — a.k.a. threats.

I am in total shock that people I know can support this kind of America.

Do they even know these things are happening? If so, how can they support it — by what they say — or with sinister, tacit approval? (shudder)
All across the country good, qualified public health professionals are quitting their jobs. It is because of violent threats against their family. This is the kind of thing that will drive the US to become a 3rd world country.

[jimjamuser]

You have it right.

The stores are free to mandate the wearing of masks, just like customers having to wear a shirt or shoes. Non-mask wearers are free to go to another store if they don't like that. But wearing a mask seems like the most community-spirited and neighborly thing one can do.

I suspect the woman in that first video at KFC was on some sort of drug, or has mental problems. If she's carrying a blanket around with her, she's probably homeless and most likely is crazy. You have to feel sorry in that we don't have enough places for her to go to get the treatment she needs.
It all began in the early 80s when the budgets for these mental hospitals were cut at the Federal level. They then began closing. I too feel sorry for the lady jumping on the KFC counter AND the workers who she could have hurt. They need "danger pay"!

[Mardarlowe]

Cry me a large river.

[Bucco]

All across the country good, qualified public health professionals are quitting their jobs. It is because of violent threats against their family. This is the kind of thing that will drive the US to become a 3rd world country.

And, it will be a very short drive.

[MDLNB]

see the bolded underlined thing in the quote you quoted? Life, liberty. The government cannot deprive anyone of either of those things without due process.

And so - if the general population is at risk of losing their life (to the virus) or liberty (to having to be isolated as a result of the virus) then - it is their duty to do what they can to prevent that risk of loss.

Mandating masks can reduce that risk of loss.

my life and liberty is more important than your freedom to uncover your face.
nope

[Phil_Linda]

Not condoning these actions but I, for one, am sick and tired of the misinformation out there about the real cause of deaths, numbers of infections, false test results, masks don’t work, masks are required, etc. Never before in history have such radical steps been taken especially when such a minute percentage of deaths have occurred in relation to the entire population and tge draconian measures being taken. Then, proven treatments like Hydroxochloroquine are wittheld by the CDC and others. Never before has such a pandemic been politicized so that people don't know what or who to believe so they get very frustrated.
donassaid,
Just a quick question. Would you still say that it is just a minute number of people if one of those was someone you loved? So easy to brush off when it is affecting others. By the way Hydroxochloroquine has NOT been approved by anyone except the ones that listen to fake news on Fox.

[MDLNB]

It all began in the early 80s when the budgets for these mental hospitals were cut at the Federal level. They then began closing. I too feel sorry for the lady jumping on the KFC counter AND the workers who she could have hurt. They need "danger pay"!


She's lucky someone didn't knock her back off the counter

[MDLNB]

Are you okay with no shoes no shirt no service, or do you go into restaurants without your shoes and shirt? What about seatbelts, do you use them? What about speed limits, they aren't for you? There is something wrong with not wearing one, we are all in this together as a society, and you are endangering others when you don't wear one. I bet you got participation trophies.


Seatbelts and speeding are LAWS. Wearing a mask is not a law, but a courtesy to others. IMO, a business has no requirement to provide service to those that do not follow posted attire requirements.

[ficoguy]

And "safe rooms"

[Art cov]

donassaid,
Just a quick question. Would you still say that it is just a minute number of people if one of those was someone you loved? So easy to brush off when it is affecting others. By the way Hydroxochloroquine has NOT been approved by anyone except the ones that listen to fake news on Fox.

A friend of mine got terribly sick, yes Covid! after many days in bed flat on his back and feeling horrible. Family and friends thought they may loose him. A 73 yr old man that’s normally working, and full of life. He wanted to get Hydroxochloroquine, but doctors would not prescribe. He got some from South America. Took it and in 2 days felt like a new man! I don’t know anything about that medicine but I do know the man and know that he received a healing! He is in great shape. Working n going about life. I’m not arguing any position, but that stuff worked on my friend. Many didn’t think that he was going to make it. That hydro stuff worked is all I know.

[Linnberg]

I am
Confused about what the law is regarding service people. Most i
Of the servers a s bartenders at Palmer do NOT wear masks. When I ask aBout it, they all reply that their management does not require it. They said they only put one one of requested bu customer. The hostess gave me a long lecture why it is. Hoax anyway.
Is there a legal requirement still in FL that requires workers in restaurants to wear a mask?

[Bucco]

I am
Confused about what the law is regarding service people. Most i
Of the servers a s bartenders at Palmer do NOT wear masks. When I ask aBout it, they all reply that their management does not require it. They said they only put one one of requested bu customer. The hostess gave me a long lecture why it is. Hoax anyway.
Is there a legal requirement still in FL that requires workers in restaurants to wear a mask?

That HOAX thing is getting old, and we may never know how dangerous it has been for people.

Every person in the universe knows it is not a hoax, yet we still hear that term.

[mrf6969]

Just for a few minutes observe what all of us do with our masks. In a short 10 minutes we fidget/adjust with them several times. Hand goes to face to do this. When we take a drink or eat we lay them down in unsanitary places then put them with the collection of germs back on our face. Did you know you can blow out a candle with you mask on? Do you really think these masks are stopping anything coming out of your mouth? If your healthy these masks do more harm than good. If your in poor health and are at risk I am wondering if they are also doing more harm than good. Just my thoughts and observations on this mask mandate.

[coffeebean]

A friend of mine got terribly sick, yes Covid! after many days in bed flat on his back and feeling horrible. Family and friends thought they may loose him. A 73 yr old man that’s normally working, and full of life. He wanted to get Hydroxochloroquine, but doctors would not prescribe. He got some from South America. Took it and in 2 days felt like a new man! I don’t know anything about that medicine but I do know the man and know that he received a healing! He is in great shape. Working n going about life. I’m not arguing any position, but that stuff worked on my friend. Many didn’t think that he was going to make it. That hydro stuff worked is all I know.
Glad to hear your friend is fine. What I have read and heard on the news is that Hydroxycloroquine together with Zinc and Zythromycin must be started within 48 hours of symptoms onset. With this regime, there has been evidence of excellent results and has saved many lives.

[coffeebean]

I am
Confused about what the law is regarding service people. Most i
Of the servers a s bartenders at Palmer do NOT wear masks. When I ask aBout it, they all reply that their management does not require it. They said they only put one one of requested bu customer. The hostess gave me a long lecture why it is. Hoax anyway.
Is there a legal requirement still in FL that requires workers in restaurants to wear a mask?
Thanks for letting us know. We will not be going to Palmer’s as long as their policy remains negligent in keeping their customers safe.

[Bucco]

Glad to hear your friend is fine. What I have read and heard on the news is that Hydroxycloroquine together with Zinc and Zythromycin must be started within 48 hours of symptoms onset. With this regime, there has been evidence of excellent results and has saved many lives.

Can you supply a link to that treatment and its success..thanks

[Velvet]

CDC director just announced, “Mask are a better protection against the coronavirus than a vaccine.... because the immunogenicity may only be 70%. And if I don’t get an immune response the vaccine is not going to protect me. This face mask will.”

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Thanks for letting us know. We will not be going to Palmer’s as long as their policy remains negligent in keeping their customers safe.

Maybe call them first to verify this. I've read some pretty convincing posts from people who were giving flat-out incorrect information about a number of things that were easily verifiable by simply making a phone call.

[coffeebean]

Maybe call them first to verify this. I've read some pretty convincing posts from people who were giving flat-out incorrect information about a number of things that were easily verifiable by simply making a phone call.

Will do.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Your last sentence is what is the issue. Your liberty cannot deny another theirs.

That is true. And "the right to expose your face in public during an epidemic" is not a right guaranteed by the constitution. Your right to walk freely in public is guaranteed. So if you, by refusing to wear a mask during a pandemic, is jeapordizing my right to walk freely in public, then my right to walk freely will take priority over your rejection of a mask.

[coffeebean]

Can you supply a link to that treatment and its success..thanks

Here is one link......

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial - ScienceDirect (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996)

[PugMom]

why not just use the drive thru?

[Dana1963]

I'm afraid to say, there are a handful of our fellow Americans who have become wack jobs when it comes to wearing a mask. I feel sorry employees who have to deal with these situations........

Maskless woman at KFC hops on counter, demands service after being asked to comply with COVID rules | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/maskless-woman-kfc-counter-demands-service)

California McDonald’s employee assaulted by customer in drive-thru window over mask policy | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/california-mcdonalds-employee-assaulted-customer-drive-thru-mask)

Burger King customer throws tape dispenser at worker over face mask policy: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/burger-king-customer-throws-tape-dispenser-face-mask)
What a difference New England over Florida. Finished my 2 weeks of quarantine last Saturday out and about traveled to Mass, RI and Connecticut. Mask wearing is not an issue testing has low positive tests many days it’s 0 positive. I guess it proves MASKS WORK!

[MDLNB]

That is true. And "the right to expose your face in public during an epidemic" is not a right guaranteed by the constitution. Your right to walk freely in public is guaranteed. So if you, by refusing to wear a mask during a pandemic, is jeapordizing my right to walk freely in public, then my right to walk freely will take priority over your rejection of a mask.


Please give us a link that says that there is a statutory law requiring the wearing of a mask. Thank you. Has Marshal Law been declared?

[santiagobob]

Not condoning these actions but I, for one, am sick and tired of the misinformation out there about the real cause of deaths, numbers of infections, false test results, masks don’t work, masks are required, etc. Never before in history have such radical steps been taken especially when such a minute percentage of deaths have occurred in relation to the entire population and tge draconian measures being taken. Then, proven treatments like Hydroxochloroquine are wittheld by the CDC and others. Never before has such a pandemic been politicized so that people don't know what or who to believe so they get very frustrated.
Would you still say it is a minute percentage if a member of your family had died from covid 19 ?
Over 180,000 deaths in the U.S. to date. That is two times the total military deaths due to the Korean and Vietiam wars. It's good that during the nightly bombing of London duting WW11 that there were no Londoner's that said no to the black out requirement and said 'I'll keep my light on if I want to, it's my freedom of choice"

[Tblue]

Masks are no protection from COVID-19, the weave in the standard mask it just to large, the virus is extremely small. It has been said several times, it like putting up a chain link fence to keep mosquitoes out. Google it, or use Duck Duck Go

[benj]

I heard if you wear garlic around your neck people will stay 6 feet away.

[tvbound]

CDC director just announced, “Mask are a better protection against the coronavirus than a vaccine.... because the immunogenicity may only be 70%. And if I don’t get an immune response the vaccine is not going to protect me. This face mask will.”

It is almost like being in a Twilight Zone, when the vast majority of immunology scientists and health professionals (many under oath) tout and explain the benefits of wearing masks, are ignored by some people - and prefer to believe those who don't really even believe in science and facts. A very sad, but telling, commentary on the current intelligence and common sense of many of our citizens.

[coffeebean]

What a difference New England over Florida. Finished my 2 weeks of quarantine last Saturday out and about traveled to Mass, RI and Connecticut. Mask wearing is not an issue testing has low positive tests many days it’s 0 positive. I guess it proves MASKS WORK!

Dr. Redfield, head of CDC, made a very bold statement that masks are the one tool we have against this virus to protect ourselves. Problem is, it must be very high compliance for universal masking to work to rid us of this virus. I tend to believe the experts not the politicians when it comes to science.

There are too many people in the US that do not believe in the science and therefore it will be impossible to mitigate the virus by universal masking. That is really a shame. Something so simple and TEMPORARY can be so impossible for some folks out there.

[MDLNB]

Ah, the hazards, disappointments and work required to maintain a FREE nation. If only we could mandate specific masks, eye protection and certified gloves. If only we could mandate a universal uniform for all citizens. If only we could mandate a universal community standards for all residential homes.........hmmm, ah wait a minute.

[Velvet]

Ah... if only we could mandate IQ and intelligence .... hmmmm.

[coffeebean]

Masks are no protection from COVID-19, the weave in the standard mask it just to large, the virus is extremely small. It has been said several times, it like putting up a chain link fence to keep mosquitoes out. Google it, or use Duck Duck Go

Very true. BUT..........It has been said many times that the virus is minute and extremely smaller than the fibers of cloth. BUT.......the virus does not travel on it's own. The virus travels in droplets (larger) or aerosols (smaller). The cloth masks do catch the droplets and aerosols.

A segment on NBC'sThe Today Show demonstrated that the neck gators DO NOT trap the droplets like cloth masks or the disposable masks do. In fact the neck gators are worse than not wearing a mask at all. The neck gators, even a double thickness, actually splits the large droplets into small aerosols and aerosols are not trapped as easily as droplets. Hence.....neck gators are NOT to be used at mitigation for this virus. Having said that....cloth masks and disposable masks ARE very useful to trap the virus and slow the spread of the virus. Have you seen the latest statement from Dr. Redfield, head of the CDC, about how masks are the only tool we have to mitigate this virus? Yes, he said this under oath when testifying.

[Bucco]

Here is one link......

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial - ScienceDirect (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996)

Thanks for replying. Most simply ignore when asked because they actually know nothing.

I take Hydroxychloqine (Plaquenil) daily for a few years (rheumatoid arthritis) and keeping waiting for that headline that says I am invincible. 😁

[Boomer]

Actually, it is not about the raw intelligence of the pseudo-patriotic anti-maskers. It’s about neuroscience.

When the thinking part of the brain is completely run over by the emotional part of the brain (the amygdala), what we see that looks like a lack of intelligence is not that at all. It’s the result of having emotions — fear, paranoia, hate, urgency, a need to belong to something bigger, a sense of superiority — all being pounded to a frenzied pitch until logic is washed out completely.

That’s how scammers work. That’s how cult leaders work. They understand how to get to the emotional part of the brain. That’s how those con men and con women work their marks, their victims. Remember, con man is short for “confidence man.” Not only does a confidence man appear confident, the confidence man makes his victim feel confident, too, and then takes power over the victim’s decisions.

And if you have ever tried to convince someone they are being conned, it is impossible because their brains are awash in emotion — no matter how high their IQ. Logic is gone and they will excuse and cling tight to the con. They just cannot see what is happening.

There is no IQ range in it at all. In fact, sometimes the more intelligent are the easiest to con because they think they cannot be.

Fascinating and oh so creepy — and so damned easy to do.

Boomer

[coffeebean]

Thanks for replying. Most simply ignore when asked because they actually know nothing.

I take Hydroxychloqine (Plaquenil) daily for a few years (rheumatoid arthritis) and keeping waiting for that headline that says I am invincible. ������

The actual component of the "cocktail" that prevents the virus from replicating in the naso pharynx and respiratory system is the zinc. The Hydrochloroquine is actually the "catalyst" (that is not the actual word I have read but that is what it means) that makes the zinc effective. It must be taken as the "cocktail" I mentioned in my above post about it. Also....very importantly, the cocktail must begin within 48 hours of symptoms. The testing that was done on Hydoxychloroquine long after the 48 hours had dismal results for Hydroxychloroquine because the drugs were not started within the 48 hours. The CDC does not qualify that when they claim Hydroxychloroquine does not work for Covid-19.

[Ladygolfer93]

I'm afraid to say, there are a handful of our fellow Americans who have become wack jobs when it comes to wearing a mask. I feel sorry employees who have to deal with these situations........

Maskless woman at KFC hops on counter, demands service after being asked to comply with COVID rules | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/maskless-woman-kfc-counter-demands-service)

California McDonald’s employee assaulted by customer in drive-thru window over mask policy | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/california-mcdonalds-employee-assaulted-customer-drive-thru-mask)

Burger King customer throws tape dispenser at worker over face mask policy: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/burger-king-customer-throws-tape-dispenser-face-mask)

Personally I am very suspicious of this. Of course we have and always have had "wack jobs", we've read it all before, in fast food restaurants, in banks, at super market check outs way before any virus pandemic. But this article about the Mc D's "incident" just does not ring true. First of all, I am a compliant person. When someone asks me to put on a mask to enter their business or home, I either do it, or I just skip that particular place, it's my choice of course. I most certainly do NOT find a mask to put on when I go through a Villages drive through Mac Donalds' to pick up an order in my own vehicle. Thankfully this has not been an issue, but, although I think most who know me would agree I am a mild mannered person, pulling up to a drive in order station (rather McD's or S&S, Burg er King, etc.), moving ahead to the "pay" window, and then moving on and waiting patiently only to be told the food would not be handed to me until I put on a mask ? ? No, no that would not be happening to me, even tempered and reasonable as I always try to be. I have often ordered on line too, paid with my C.C., and then to drive to one of these places and told if I did not return home and find a "mask" I could not have the food but they keep the money... no no no.... I think this story is a "plant", it makes no sense IMO ! Most mornings I drive thru Dunkin' for a large hot coffee. I do not look around for a mask to take with me as I am not going on to do inside errands. Thankfully, after I pay and move to the pick up window, I have never been refused my morning "fuel"; if this begins like in the article cited, I'll revert to just making the coffee at home ! Oh Well !

[Ladygolfer93]

Okay so here's my takeaway on your opinion. Correct me if I'm wrong.

1 If it was your own spouse, child, sibling, or parent who was one of the 1.8 who died, you'd be okay with it since it's only 1.8%.

2. If 75% of all the people who tested positive, had serious symptoms that required hospitalization and possibly even intubation and ventillation but lived to tell about it, you'd be okay with that.

3. If 50% of all the people who tested positive and experienced serious symptoms, could not afford to pay the hospital bills resulting from their illness, you'd be okay with that.

4. If you got sick with COVID, had to be hospitalized and isolated from your entire family for 2 weeks, had to be put on a ventillator with a tube running down your throat, racked up hundreds of thousand of dollars in bills that Medicare only covered a fraction of, leaving you footing the rest of the bill, you'd be okay with that.

5. If you were sick as in #4, and it turned out you are the direct cause of your best friend getting sick and dying from it, you'd be okay with that since they're only one of the 1.8% of people who die from it anyway.

That's what I get from your post. Any time someone says "the death rate is "only" 1.8% " - that is what I will get from their claim.

The person who wrote that is not anyone I know, BUT..... I do not think they in any way meant what you have interpreted it to mean at all. Read it again without any personal emotions and you may interpret it very differently in a less "personal" manner. Of course 1.8% seems very insignificant unless someone's loved one is part of the 1.8%. That's life after all. I lost a good friend to an air crash, I lost a friend to a drunk driver, I even lost a close college friend to a horrifying "statistic". She got in her automobile, and started to drive to pick up her grand child from school. A UPS (yes, you heard me, a UPS driver) went right through a red light (behind schedule) and killed her. The statistical risk of this happening to any of us is much higher than contracting the virus and dying from it. Could it happen ? Sure could. Could your plan crash ? Sure could ! Could you get hit and killed right here in the Villages, in your own car, driving perfectly sane and legally ? You sure could. Again, have no idea who wrote the post, but, I do not believe that quoting a stat in any way demeans the lives and contributions of anyone who died with (or even FROM) this virus, any more than the stats for the yearly toll that pneumonia takes on our population in any way indicts the "worth" or lack of "worth" of those individuals. I do think many in our country have just refused all reason. Of course it is serious, of course none of us what it any more than we want cancer or heart disease. But, many continue to smoke, many continue poor eating habits, etc. the world is filled with risk, being alive is VERY risky. We must be prudent but also have to begin to use logic, not emotion, when assessing the general risk, and then our OWN PERSONAL risk, but what you out lined in your response to the person would never pass the basic tenants of a college, or even a high school level, logic class. You'd need a much sounder foundation. But, thankfully, we can STILL have our own opinions in our democratic republic. In your #4 substantiation, concerning the bills, and what "might" be, etc. do you realize ALL you left out ? In reality, no matter what you "feel", our country does a decent (not perfect) job of giving health care to all and asking details later. Notice there is NOT a large pile of bodies behind hospitals of people who were refused ventilators because their Medicare, Medicaid, supplements, whatever they have were not sufficient. There are many mediation steps but won't go into that topic here because the whole point is that your reply completely missed the point being made, and also is based on emotions rather than facts. I too could have emotionalized the deaths of my close friends to the point where I would never get into my automobile again, never take a trip, never get in a plane, or ever swim again (we had a relative that drowned also).

[Ladygolfer93]

Actually, it is not about the raw intelligence of the pseudo-patriotic anti-maskers. It’s about neuroscience.

When the thinking part of the brain is completely run over by the emotional part of the brain (the amygdala), what we see that looks like a lack of intelligence is not that at all. It’s the result of having emotions — fear, paranoia, hate, urgency, a need to belong to something bigger, a sense of superiority — all being pounded to a frenzied pitch until logic is washed out completely.

That’s how scammers work. That’s how cult leaders work. They understand how to get to the emotional part of the brain. That’s how those con men and con women work their marks, their victims. Remember, con man is short for “confidence man.” Not only does a confidence man appear confident, the confidence man makes his victim feel confident, too, and then takes power over the victim’s decisions.

And if you have ever tried to convince someone they are being conned, it is impossible because their brains are awash in emotion — no matter how high their IQ. Logic is gone and they will excuse and cling tight to the con. They just cannot see what is happening.

There is no IQ range in it at all. In fact, sometimes the more intelligent are the easiest to con because they think they cannot be.

Fascinating and oh so creepy — and so damned easy to do.

Boomer

OMG, I can't express how relieved I am to find that there actually ARE others in our community who understand the difference in emotional (auto) responses and logical foundations of rational thought. Even someone else who understands there is no "IQ" involved at all. The paranoia, fear (logical and a lot of very illogical), bias, suspicion, prejudices, etc. are running wild in the friendliest hometown, probably a community with a higher than average level of education too, but like the whole country, that doesn't seem to help people at all when it comes to their personal fears. Just imagine if our parents had acted like this when WWII gave us no choice, rich, poor, privileged, black, white, yellow, or any "color" in between, THEY HAD to come together, had to support their country and each other, it came natural to them. Certainly not any more.

[Ladygolfer93]

Ah, the hazards, disappointments and work required to maintain a FREE nation. If only we could mandate specific masks, eye protection and certified gloves. If only we could mandate a universal uniform for all citizens. If only we could mandate a universal community standards for all residential homes.........hmmm, ah wait a minute.

Let's see, I think someone already wrote that book didn't they ? I think it was in the science fiction section back in the day. I think we laughed at the time, all the references to people like robots, "big brother" (the government) watching people even as they slept (Apple watch, Alexia ? Who knows ?). Soylent Green, that 70's dystopian "Si-Fi", 1984, all of those..... makes a person wonder..... what about Animal Farm ? Can you imagine a democracy where some are MORE equal than others.... Maybe the answer is not others at all, maybe the answer is every person work on them self ? Who knows ? So easy to topple a government when you first get the masses to a paranoid frenzy and fighting and arguing so much they have no time to get on the internet and do the considerable work of digging for the case resolutions of local judges BEFORE they go to the poles to vote ? Does any one care who is on a school board ? Do most people really care about changes to the curriculum of a local school ? Of a public university ? Do people care how reading lists in public schools have been changed to reflect bias in one direction or another ? Just a lot to think about.... and most of all investigate.

[Bucco]

Let's see, I think someone already wrote that book didn't they ? I think it was in the science fiction section back in the day. I think we laughed at the time, all the references to people like robots, "big brother" (the government) watching people even as they slept (Apple watch, Alexia ? Who knows ?). Soylent Green, that 70's dystopian "Si-Fi", 1984, all of those..... makes a person wonder..... what about Animal Farm ? Can you imagine a democracy where some are MORE equal than others.... Maybe the answer is not others at all, maybe the answer is every person work on them self ? Who knows ? So easy to topple a government when you first get the masses to a paranoid frenzy and fighting and arguing so much they have no time to get on the internet and do the considerable work of digging for the case resolutions of local judges BEFORE they go to the poles to vote ? Does any one care who is on a school board ? Do most people really care about changes to the curriculum of a local school ? Of a public university ? Do people care how reading lists in public schools have been changed to reflect bias in one direction or another ? Just a lot to think about.... and most of all investigate.

Find this passage in your post interesting....

"So easy to topple a government when you first get the masses to a paranoid frenzy and fighting and arguing so much ....."

I would just add that you need to give the masses someone to hate and feel superior to.

But what do I know..we have posters who speak for "most" "the majority" "people like us".... I get confused because I am criticized for "investigating" and searching truth, and the criticism comes from those who want to claim the moral high ground.

[Ladygolfer93]

In Ohio Dr. Amy Acton, the state’s director of health, resigned after she and her family were threatened by people showing up at her house, waving flags and carrying assault weapons and signs saying, “No violence — yet.”

Dr. Acton had dared to encourage mask-wearing — but gave up after being terrorized by pseudo-patriots.

Another woman doctor was recently appointed to take Dr. Acton’s place. She withdrew before she even started the job — cited “personal reasons” — a.k.a. threats.

I am in total shock that people I know can support this kind of America.

Do they even know these things are happening? If so, how can they support it — by what they say — or with sinister, tacit approval? (shudder)


Agree completely that it is sad that individuals and groups of individuals can threaten judges, politicians (like these two women, rather elected or appointed to the post), police, etc. but..... IF threats, just like appeasements, did not work so well (BOTH women resigned, and make no mistake, I am NOT saying that was not the right move for these women at all) then threats would not be a tactic that would be in use very long ! Of course people are going to choose successful tactics; just look at the numbers of police chiefs, officers, mayors, councilmen (and a councilwoman where one of my cousins resides in a retirement area just resigned last week), and others who have resigned as a result of successful threats ! UNFORTUNATELY, threats work ! Prayer does work, maybe we of various religions and denominations should get together, those who feel protected by masks, WEAR them, those who doubt their value, don't wear one, but sure wouldn't hurt to get together in all these outdoor spaces we have around here and PRAY. Even some devout believers may just be surprised at the results !

[PugMom]

just posing these questions: how long is this to go on? are masks indefinite? how much are we willing to listen to & obey? & my fave, how long is too long?
it's my choice to wear or not wear the mask. if i choose not to, i will avoid all businesses who REQUIRE customers to wear one. i will do tele-health appointments & shop online. it's my right not to wear it, as it is your right to keep as far away from me as possible. i'm beyond sick & tired, & yes, i've heard all the vitriol from those who consider themselves superior to me for my choices. it's gone on far too long for a sensible person to simply roll over & wait for the 2020Election Flu to be put to rest. thank you for allowing the early am. rant :icon_wink:

[Bay Kid]

Not sure who to believe. I am so confused!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not sure who to believe. I am so confused!

It's pretty simple:

1) wearing a mask is not likely to ever cause YOU harm.
2) wearing a mask is likely to reduce the risk of spreading your germs to others.
3) wearing a mask is likely to reduce the risk of others spreading their germs to you.
4) NOT wearing a mask can increase the risk of contracting a virus.
5) NOT wearing a mask can increase the risk of spreading a virus.
6) There's a pandemic going on, with thousands of people STILL getting sick every single day, that is believed to have started somewhere around February - which was 7 months ago.
7) People who don't socially distance are contracting the virus at a faster rate than people who do socially distance, though people who do socially distance are still not immune.
8) People who don't socially distance AND refuse to wear a mask, are contracting and spreading the virus at a faster rate than people who are doing either one or the other, and those people are at a faster rate than those who do both.

The end summary suggestion:

Wear a mask, unless you have some ACTUAL (not merely claimed or pretended or hyperbolic) reason not to (such as - you're already hooked up to an oxygen tank, or you've just had a nose job and can't put pressure on your nose with a mask until you're healed).

[Lindsyburnsy]

It's more than unfortunate when our leaders politicize masks. This is not helpful and it is the biggest reason we have the highest per capita COVID-19 infections. People will literally cut off their noses to spite their faces in the U.S. These same maskless people want to tell woman what to do with their own bodies. Really??

[ncamp389]

Your rights do not override (trump) my rights

[MDLNB]

It's more than unfortunate when our leaders politicize masks. This is not helpful and it is the biggest reason we have the highest per capita COVID-19 infections. People will literally cut off their noses to spite their faces in the U.S. These same maskless people want to tell woman what to do with their own bodies. Really??


Maskless people wish to prevent a child's murder? Go figure!:shocked: The gall of them!! :mademyday:

[MDLNB]

Your rights do not override (trump) my rights


Whatever that means. Is someone telling us NOT to wear a mask? Is someone demanding that we wear a mask? Like someone else said "I am so confused."