Ruth Bader Ginsburg

[dewilson58]

R i p

[Northwoods]

R i p

Wow. No warning.
May she rest in peace.
I'm not thinking we'll see a replacement before Jan. 20. 2021.

[alwann]

Wow. No warning.
May she rest in peace.
I'm not thinking we'll see a replacement before Jan. 20. 2021.

No warning? She was fighting a losing battle with cancer for years. Will not be surprised if the president nominates someone by Monday. It was reported last week, he was already reviewing potential nominees, which might mean insiders knew she was dying.

[rjn5656]

Monday would be good with me.

[Northwoods]

No warning? She was fighting a losing battle with cancer for years. Will not be surprised if the president nominates someone by Monday. It was reported last week, he was already reviewing potential nominees, which might mean insiders knew she was dying.

I knew she had a lot of issues but she certainly rallied through them all. I didn't hear her situation was grave (which was my point).
Trust me... Trump can nominate anyone. It's never going to happen. After what Kavanaugh went through.... never going to happen. Trump could nominate Mother Theresa and it wouldn't happen.

[Bjeanj]

I was hoping she would hang on until November. If you read her bio, you would know how she met all challenges.

[Ladygolfer93]

I knew she had a lot of issues but she certainly rallied through them all. I didn't hear her situation was grave (which was my point).
Trust me... Trump can nominate anyone. It's never going to happen. After what Kavanaugh went through.... never going to happen. Trump could nominate Mother Theresa and it wouldn't happen.

Regardless, it is going to be very ugly, just when we thought it could not get more contentious ! In less than an hour and her dying words to her grand daughter are already made public.... "My greatest wish is NOT to be replaced by this president". Such an accomplished woman, honest to HER beliefs no matter if you lean liberal or conservative, she was seemingly honest and no one can deny what she has done for equal opportunities for women while obviously a devoted spouse and mother. Who in this day admits when they made a mistake in a vote like she has said publicly on some issues. No one ! But, as sharp a mind as she had to the end, she certainly knew what her dying words would bring about, no doubt of that. This is going to be ugly, our poor country, our poor people, we all suffer no matter which way you lean !

[Bucco]

Regardless, it is going to be very ugly, just when we thought it could not get more contentious ! In less than an hour and her dying words to her grand daughter are already made public.... "My greatest wish is NOT to be replaced by this president". Such an accomplished woman, honest to HER beliefs no matter if you lean liberal or conservative, she was seemingly honest and no one can deny what she has done for equal opportunities for women while obviously a devoted spouse and mother. Who in this day admits when they made a mistake in a vote like she has said publicly on some issues. No one ! But, as sharp a mind as she had to the end, she certainly knew what her dying words would bring about, no doubt of that. This is going to be ugly, our poor country, our poor people, we all suffer no matter which way you lean !

May she Rest In Peace.

I was not a huge fan, and McConnel and Garland is all I can think of right now because of my embarrassment at the time, besides these quotes from Justice Ginsberg which I ran across.

"I'm a very strong believer in listening and learning from others."

Plus her advice, all good, on marriage...

"In the course of a marriage, one accommodates the other"

"In every good marriage, it helps sometimes to be a little deaf."

RIP

And do. not be concerned by her words...."he" will not be issuing a cannonization speech....she represented the blue guys who make us look bad

[Northwoods]

Regardless, it is going to be very ugly, just when we thought it could not get more contentious ! In less than an hour and her dying words to her grand daughter are already made public.... "My greatest wish is NOT to be replaced by this president". Such an accomplished woman, honest to HER beliefs no matter if you lean liberal or conservative, she was seemingly honest and no one can deny what she has done for equal opportunities for women while obviously a devoted spouse and mother. Who in this day admits when they made a mistake in a vote like she has said publicly on some issues. No one ! But, as sharp a mind as she had to the end, she certainly knew what her dying words would bring about, no doubt of that. This is going to be ugly, our poor country, our poor people, we all suffer no matter which way you lean !

Well... she will get her wish if the current person in office isn't elected for a 2nd term. There is 0 chance it will happen in his current term. Just like it didn't happen in the last administration. Too close to an election.
now... if the current guy gets back in. Ruth isn't going to be happy.

[Taltarzac725]

She was a great lady. May she R.I.P. and/or visit with the likes of Mark Twain, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr; Socrates; Jesus; Martin Luther King, Jr.; JFK., and the like. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Wendell_Holmes_Jr).

Heaven forbid she hooks up with Ronald Reagan!

[Bucco]

Well... she will get her wish if the current person in office isn't elected for a 2nd term. There is 0 chance it will happen in his current term. Just like it didn't happen in the last administration. Too close to an election.
now... if the current guy gets back in. Ruth isn't going to be happy.

"Senate Republicans have promised to try to fill the vacancy even in the waning days of his first term. The confirmation battle, in the middle of a pandemic and a presidential election, is sure to be titanic."

"In 2016, Senate Republicans refused to consider President Barack Obama’s nomination of Judge Merrick B. Garland, saying that holding hearings in the last year of a president’s term would deprive voters of a role in the process."

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"With the election less than two month away, McConnell said the Senate would act to fill the vacancy, even though he spent most of 2016 denying a confirmation hearing to President Barack Obama’s pick to fill a vacancy on the high court."

McConnell Vows Quick Vote on Trump Pick to Fill Ginsburg Seat (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/ginsburgs-death-gives-trump-chance-to-add-justice-to-high-court)

[Stu from NYC]

"Senate Republicans have promised to try to fill the vacancy even in the waning days of his first term. The confirmation battle, in the middle of a pandemic and a presidential election, is sure to be titanic."

"In 2016, Senate Republicans refused to consider President Barack Obama’s nomination of Judge Merrick B. Garland, saying that holding hearings in the last year of a president’s term would deprive voters of a role in the process."

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"With the election less than two month away, McConnell said the Senate would act to fill the vacancy, even though he spent most of 2016 denying a confirmation hearing to President Barack Obama’s pick to fill a vacancy on the high court."

McConnell Vows Quick Vote on Trump Pick to Fill Ginsburg Seat (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/ginsburgs-death-gives-trump-chance-to-add-justice-to-high-court)

Be interesting to see how this plays out. She was a fighter that is for sure.

Her body was falling apart but she was still sharp.

[Velvet]

I have no words right now. It just hurts.

[tophcfa]

Just when you thought things couldn't get uglier! When the hell is 2020 going to be over?

[Nucky]

Isn't this the time to say RIP if you wish? Isn't it also the time to say NOTHING if you don't have something nice to say? The woman just died hours ago. Respect the timing a little. Nobody will ever know how I fell about her. I'm sorry she suffered and I'm sorry she passed. Some posts are just shameful. Pick 'Em!

[noslices1]

Wow. No warning.
May she rest in peace.
I'm not thinking we'll see a replacement before Jan. 20. 2021.

I think we will have a nomination on Monday. President Trump was initially elected on the grounds that he will get Constitutional conservative Justices appointed to the Supreme Court and he has 112 days to get his third Justice appointed. It WILL happen.

[noslices1]

Regardless, it is going to be very ugly, just when we thought it could not get more contentious ! In less than an hour and her dying words to her grand daughter are already made public.... "My greatest wish is NOT to be replaced by this president". Such an accomplished woman, honest to HER beliefs no matter if you lean liberal or conservative, she was seemingly honest and no one can deny what she has done for equal opportunities for women while obviously a devoted spouse and mother. Who in this day admits when they made a mistake in a vote like she has said publicly on some issues. No one ! But, as sharp a mind as she had to the end, she certainly knew what her dying words would bring about, no doubt of that. This is going to be ugly, our poor country, our poor people, we all suffer no matter which way you lean !

Those were not her dying words. She did say them, but it was several days before she passed.

[DrBrutyle109]

Regardless, it is going to be very ugly, just when we thought it could not get more contentious ! In less than an hour and her dying words to her grand daughter are already made public.... "My greatest wish is NOT to be replaced by this president". Such an accomplished woman, honest to HER beliefs no matter if you lean liberal or conservative, she was seemingly honest and no one can deny what she has done for equal opportunities for women while obviously a devoted spouse and mother. Who in this day admits when they made a mistake in a vote like she has said publicly on some issues. No one ! But, as sharp a mind as she had to the end, she certainly knew what her dying words would bring about, no doubt of that. This is going to be ugly, our poor country, our poor people, we all suffer no matter which way you lean !
If those were her last words, then it shows she was biased. Thought judges were supposed to be impartial.

[nancymiller217@yahoo.com]

her dying words to her grand daughter are already made public.... "My greatest wish is NOT to be replaced by this president

Saddest thing I’ve ever heard in my life. Worrying about her JOB! HER JOB!!!!

Always heard it said that “no one ever says on their deathbed that they wish they spent more time at work”. Who knew?

[Klatu]

She hung on when near death's door several times to try to make sure another president would replace her with someone equally committed to unfettered access to abortion. She did as much as any to conflate women's health, equality and ability to terminate the unborn so that today, politicians routinely speak them as much the same thing.

This will take the headlines quickly and totally and Wuhan virus will move into the background. First will come the praise pieces, comparing her to saints and giants. Next, the knives will come out for the nominees to replace her. Finally, the scheming and the plotting will begin. As we started off 2020 with the spectacle of impeachment, we will end it with the warfare of a SCOTUS bloodbath alongside an election/coup plotting battle for months, violence in the streets and assorted hysteria and mayhem.

I recommend prayer.

[Stu from NYC]

If those were her last words, then it shows she was biased. Thought judges were supposed to be impartial.

Apparently the words judges and impartiality do not quite work together

[Bridget Staunton]

Enough said on this issue, she is gone and we move on. RIP Ruth. to some she was a hero and to others she wasn’t

[ruralgoddess]

Monday would be good with me.
McConnell blocked Obama’s pick.... how about he abide by his stated reason for doing that now.

[ruralgoddess]

amen

[ruralgoddess]

I think we will have a nomination on Monday. President Trump was initially elected on the grounds that he will get Constitutional conservative Justices appointed to the Supreme Court and he has 112 days to get his third Justice appointed. It WILL happen.
If McConnell meant what he said and forced through for Obama's pick, then he’s a hypocrite if he tries to push a nomination through so close to the election.

[oneclickplus]

I knew she had a lot of issues but she certainly rallied through them all. I didn't hear her situation was grave (which was my point).
Trust me... Trump can nominate anyone. It's never going to happen. After what Kavanaugh went through.... never going to happen. Trump could nominate Mother Theresa and it wouldn't happen.

I think it will happen ... and fast. With the divisiveness in this country, and so many issues headed to the supremes, I think he will nominate and will get approved fast. Republicans still control the senate. Regardless of what Kavanaugh went through, they could do this in a day or two. Unprecedented? yes. Impossible? no.

[ithos]

Regardless of your political opinion she was an inspirational figure. RBG excelled at a time when being a woman and Jewish were significant barriers to success in the legal profession. Despite several personal tragedies and family demands, she eventually graduated first in her law class at Cornell University.

However, if a new conservative appointment to the Supreme Court is successful, her memory will be tarnished for many of her erstwhile admirers. She put her personal ambition ahead of the interest of the leftwing of the this country by not retiring under the President Obama's administration when her health was in serious decline.

[graciegirl]

Ruth Bader Ginsburg was small in stature but strong in her beliefs. She was a highly intelligent woman who championed women's rights and changed the legal framework of this country. Many people looked up to her and honor her now in death.

She made people listen by using her training and her power. She changed her world and ours too.

I did not agree with her often and our politics didn't mesh but she deserves to be remembered as a strong, smart woman who believed in her goals and loved this country.

May she find peace and her family solace. She was an American hero.

[Dahabs]

"Senate Republicans have promised to try to fill the vacancy even in the waning days of his first term. The confirmation battle, in the middle of a pandemic and a presidential election, is sure to be titanic."

"In 2016, Senate Republicans refused to consider President Barack Obama’s nomination of Judge Merrick B. Garland, saying that holding hearings in the last year of a president’s term would deprive voters of a role in the process."

----------------------

"With the election less than two month away, McConnell said the Senate would act to fill the vacancy, even though he spent most of 2016 denying a confirmation hearing to President Barack Obama’s pick to fill a vacancy on the high court."

McConnell Vows Quick Vote on Trump Pick to Fill Ginsburg Seat (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/ginsburgs-death-gives-trump-chance-to-add-justice-to-high-court)

No end to the hypocrisy. Never ceases to amaze. Let the games begin.

[noslices1]

If McConnell meant what he said and forced through for Obama's pick, then he’s a hypocrite if he tries to push a nomination through so close to the election.

McConnell didn’t put through Merrick Garland’s nomination, because the majority in the Senate was Republican with a Democrat President making the nomination. With a Republican President and a Republican Senate it will happen. The rule only applies when the parties are different.

[biker1]

According to that logic then many Supreme Court judges should retire now or should have retired already based solely on the status of the Senate and White House as many are elderly. I am pretty sure nobody cares about whether anyone else's memory of RBG is tarnished. She served with great distinction and by all accounts led a great and productive life. That is the untarnished memory I will have of her (if anyone cares).




However, if a new conservative appointment to the Supreme Court is successful, her memory will be tarnished for many of her erstwhile admirers. She put her personal ambition ahead of the interest of the leftwing of the this country by not retiring under the President Obama's administration when her health was in serious decline.

[DecaturFargo]

Just plain disrespectful.

[Dahabs]

I think it will happen ... and fast. With the divisiveness in this country, and so many issues headed to the supremes, I think he will nominate and will get approved fast. Republicans still control the senate. Regardless of what Kavanaugh went through, they could do this in a day or two. Unprecedented? yes. Impossible? no.

Far from a done deal. I can think of a few senators that would revisit the Kavanaugh appointment if given half a chance. Add to that the logic used for not appointing Obama's nominee in 2016. I can think of two or three senators that might be willing to block any nomination at this time.

[noslices1]

Do you remember how contentious the Democrats were during the hearings for justice Cavanaugh? Well, you ain’t seen nothing yet!

Can’t wait for the voters to see who they are voting for. Let the games begin.

[Veiragirl]

No warning? She was fighting a losing battle with cancer for years. Will not be surprised if the president nominates someone by Monday. It was reported last week, he was already reviewing potential nominees, which might mean insiders knew she was dying.

That doesn't surprise me. Considering what an empathic and humble person he is.

[oneclickplus]

I think we will have a nomination on Monday. President Trump was initially elected on the grounds that he will get Constitutional conservative Justices appointed to the Supreme Court and he has 112 days to get his third Justice appointed. It WILL happen.

You think he will wait until Monday? No time like the present. Git'er done!!

[tvbound]

I'm betting that we will quickly see, in real actions, the true definition of the words shamelessness and hypocrisy. Then again, what's new?

RIP Notorious RBG - you are a true American hero.

[donassaid]

I would hardly put her in the same sentence as Jesus, given her stance and rulings on abortion. She should have retired years ago but stubbornly held on, hoping to survive until after the election. There should be a mandatory retirement age for Supreme Court Justices, certainly not past tge age of 85 and, preferably, 75 or 80.

[vilger]

Unless the presidential election is a complete blowout by one side or the other, it will most likely be litigated in the Supreme Court. So it is very important that a new Supreme Court justice is confirmed before November 3 - someone who is easily pliable with no backbone would do nicely; I'm thinking that Ted "your father killed JFK, and your wife's reflection cracks mirrors" Cruz would fit the bill.

[ithos]

According to that logic then many Supreme Court judges should retire now or should have retired already based solely on the status of the Senate and White House as many are elderly. I am pretty sure nobody cares about whether anyone else's memory of RBG is tarnished. She served with great distinction and by all accounts led a great and productive life. That is the untarnished memory I will have of her (if anyone cares).

There were many calls for her to resign by Democrats under the Obama administration.
Why Justices Ginsburg and Breyer should retire immediately. | The New Republic (https://newrepublic.com/article/87543/ginsburg-breyer-resign-supereme-court)

Ruth Bader Ginsburg should do all liberals a favor and retire now | Michael Cohen | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/14/ruth-bader-ginsburg-retire-liberal-judge)

U.S. Justice Ginsburg hits back at liberals who want her to retire | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-ginsburg/u-s-justice-ginsburg-hits-back-at-liberals-who-want-her-to-retire-idUSKBN0G12V020140801)

And there are many more such articles.

Now, many conservatives are glad that she didn't. If the Supreme Court takes a right turn, then I am confident that this prediction will come to fruition.

[donassaid]

But Democrats were incensed and threw a fit for years about Merrick Garland, insisting that a sitting President had that right. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenky it would be wrong and immoral. Such hypocrisy.

[Bucco]

McConnell didn’t put through Merrick Garland’s nomination, because the majority in the Senate was Republican with a Democrat President making the nomination. With a Republican President and a Republican Senate it will happen. The rule only applies when the parties are different.

That is simply, and only a statement of McCconnell when needed...nothing more.

[Bucco]

But Democrats were incensed and threw a fit for years about Merrick Garland, insisting that a sitting President had that right. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenky it would be wsrong and immoral. Such hypocrisy.

It was ONE year, and for me, it was another embarrassment for our nation.

To disengage from our principles and constitutional meaning by inventing a rule on the fly is unamaerican, at best.

I was still a GOP activist at the time and was and still am embarrassed by the entire situation.

[jbrown132]

"Senate Republicans have promised to try to fill the vacancy even in the waning days of his first term. The confirmation battle, in the middle of a pandemic and a presidential election, is sure to be titanic."

"In 2016, Senate Republicans refused to consider President Barack Obama’s nomination of Judge Merrick B. Garland, saying that holding hearings in the last year of a president’s term would deprive voters of a role in the process."

----------------------

"With the election less than two month away, McConnell said the Senate would act to fill the vacancy, even though he spent most of 2016 denying a confirmation hearing to President Barack Obama’s pick to fill a vacancy on the high court."

McConnell Vows Quick Vote on Trump Pick to Fill Ginsburg Seat (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/ginsburgs-death-gives-trump-chance-to-add-justice-to-high-court)

Remember, McConnell has always said that when you have a President of one party and the Senate controlled by the other party then the voters should participate in that decision. However, if the President and the Senate are of the same party then the voters have already made that decision. Regarding RGB I admired her and her tenacity but lost some respect for her when she let her political bias show through which a Supreme Court Justice should never do. Great Justices will many times write opinions contrary to their personal biases as they understand their job is to interpret the law and constitution as written and not make the law. The late great Antonin Scalia use to say that it is the job of a justice to interpret the law but when seven unelected justices start making the law then it is not much of a democracy.

[golden]

Ginsburg's legacy will be the first Supreme Court Justice to openly politicize the Court.
Sandra Day O'Connor was the first female Justice, Ginsburg the second. O'Connor retired from the court in grace at age 76, she is now 90. Ginsburg had to be carried out. Ginsburg rolled the political dice and lost.

[tvbound]

"If the next Justice has the philosophy of "Original Intent"


That "original intent" of the constitution was to treat women and blacks as second-class citizens, who could not vote or had any power in society and could be discriminated against with impunity. It's been patently obvious in recent years, that a lot of white males wish that we could go back to that intent. The real irony, is the number of women who have benefited from RBG's life's work and yet are clueless, as to what she has done for them.

[Singerlady]

Wow. No warning.
May she rest in peace.
I'm not thinking we'll see a replacement before Jan. 20. 2021.

Plenty of warning, unfortunately. She ‘ beat’ cancer 3 times only to have it come back. RIP.

[Bucco]

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And if 'the shoe was on the other foot' do you really believe the Dems Would Not do exactly the same????
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Thus far the GOP is pitching a shutout based on actual reality

[mtdjed]

Be honest - The issue of moving on with the business of the country is not a question of respect.

It is political. As one President has said in the past, "Elections have consequences...".

Politicians in office have obligations and judgements to consider. Appointments to the Supreme Court are recommended by the ruling President and approved by the existing Senate. Either party would move forward with their selection if they had adequate votes to confirm.

But the "Elections have consequences.." comment works two ways. The existing politicians now must consider the "consequences" of their actions in the upcoming election.

I would not believe any politician of either party proclaiming that "waiting" is due to respect.

[Bucco]

Be honest - The issue of moving on with the business of the country is not a question of respect.

It is political. As one President has said in the past, "Elections have consequences...".

Politicians in office have obligations and judgements to consider. Appointments to the Supreme Court are recommended by the ruling President and approved by the existing Senate. Either party would move forward with their selection if they had adequate votes to confirm.

But the "Elections have consequences.." comment works two ways. The existing politicians now must consider the "consequences" of their actions in the upcoming election.

I would not believe any politician of either party proclaiming that "waiting" is due to respect.

You got it.

Our constitution has been ravaged and precedents have been set. Of course some only think in the moment, not our future.

Lots of reference points have been established.

Never understood, in watching our government, the short sighted win now attitude. Not exactly pro country

[meridian5850]

McConnell blocked Obama’s pick.... how about he abide by his stated reason for doing that now.

Obama was a lame duck president in the last year of his second term. The current president is not.

Here is McConnell's quote: "I can’t imagine that a Republican majority Congress in a lame duck session after the American people have spoken would want to confirm a nominee opposed by the NRA, the NFIB, and the New York Times says would move the court dramatically to the left. This nomination ought to be made by the next president."

[Art cov]

The justice must not have trusted Pres Obama to replace her or she would have retired so he could pick his choice. Something was weird there!

[Jpressley]

Misquoted the granddaughter

[seoulbrooks]

Isn't this the time to say RIP if you wish? Isn't it also the time to say NOTHING if you don't have something nice to say? The woman just died hours ago. Respect the timing a little. Nobody will ever know how I fell about her. I'm sorry she suffered and I'm sorry she passed. Some posts are just shameful. Pick 'Em!

Agree!

[jbrown132]

"If the next Justice has the philosophy of "Original Intent"


That "original intent" of the constitution was to treat women and blacks as second-class citizens, who could not vote or had any power in society and could be discriminated against with impunity. It's been patently obvious in recent years, that a lot of white males wish that we could go back to that intent. The real irony, is the number of women who have benefited from RBG's life's work and yet are clueless, as to what she has done for them.
That’s what amendment’s to the constitution are for. That’s why it is such an incredible document.

[Rzepecki]

I have no words right now. It just hurts.

Ditto

[davem4616]

Rip

[ithos]

Explain please

Are you serious?


Protesters pound the doors of the Supreme Court following Kavanaugh confirmation (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/protests-build-capitol-hill-ahead-brett-kavanaugh-vote-n917351)

Hundreds arrested at anti-Kavanaugh protest: 'It's time for women to be heard' | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/04/kavanaugh-supreme-court-protests-washington)

Protesters disrupt Kavanaugh confirmation vote - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI4FYpQmEkY&ab_channel=CBSNews)

[biker1]

The last time I checked, the appointment was for life. I really don't care what pundits think and I am pretty sure RBG didn't either. Any you shouldn't either.

There were many calls for her to resign by Democrats under the Obama administration.
Why Justices Ginsburg and Breyer should retire immediately. | The New Republic (https://newrepublic.com/article/87543/ginsburg-breyer-resign-supereme-court)

Ruth Bader Ginsburg should do all liberals a favor and retire now | Michael Cohen | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/14/ruth-bader-ginsburg-retire-liberal-judge)

U.S. Justice Ginsburg hits back at liberals who want her to retire | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-ginsburg/u-s-justice-ginsburg-hits-back-at-liberals-who-want-her-to-retire-idUSKBN0G12V020140801)

And there are many more such articles.

Now, many conservatives are glad that she didn't. If the Supreme Court takes a right turn, then I am confident that this prediction will come to fruition.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Regardless of your political opinion she was an inspirational figure. RBG excelled at a time when being a woman and Jewish were significant barriers to success in the legal profession. Despite several personal tragedies and family demands, she eventually graduated first in her law class at Cornell University.

However, if a new conservative appointment to the Supreme Court is successful, her memory will be tarnished for many of her erstwhile admirers. She put her personal ambition ahead of the interest of the leftwing of the this country by not retiring under the President Obama's administration when her health was in serious decline.

If McConnell hadn't refused to consider Obama's choice for SCOTUS at the time (Merrick Garland), hadn't even allowed it to be considered by the Senate at all - then Garland would've taken that vacancy, and RBG would've been able to retire knowing that a moderate judge was put into the other position.

That was her, suffering through sickness, in order to preserve the Republic. There is no personal ambition when you're SCOTUS. When you become USSCOTUS - you have won. Game over.

[Bucco]

Are you serious?


Protesters pound the doors of the Supreme Court following Kavanaugh confirmation (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/protests-build-capitol-hill-ahead-brett-kavanaugh-vote-n917351)

Hundreds arrested at anti-Kavanaugh protest: 'It's time for women to be heard' | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/04/kavanaugh-supreme-court-protests-washington)

Protesters disrupt Kavanaugh confirmation vote - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI4FYpQmEkY&ab_channel=CBSNews)

All of which means WHAT relative to pushing hearings and vote on a justice 6 weeks before an election.

And frankly, the action as not something I would support, however I point to a few posts about precedence being set. Nobody, in either party has forgotten the McConnell “made up rule” and application for most of one year on Garland.

Yep....election do have consequences.....actions in office once elected as well. Words have consequences as well.

[Lottoguy]

I guess changing the rules set by Mitch are okay by you then? Can of worms time is coming.

[Bucco]

If McConnell hadn't refused to consider Obama's choice for SCOTUS at the time (Merrick Garland), hadn't even allowed it to be considered by the Senate at all - then Garland would've taken that vacancy, and RBG would've been able to retire knowing that a moderate judge was put into the other position.

That was her, suffering through sickness, in order to preserve the Republic. There is no personal ambition when you're SCOTUS. When you become USSCOTUS - you have won. Game over.

That “made up” rule and anti American action will forever hang over Supreme Court nominations. Actions have consequences.

The actions during the last nomination were a DIRECT result of McConnells actions.

[Lottoguy]

Just remember NINE is just a number. That can be changed at any time. Look up the year 1869 for more info on this.

[Bucco]

I guess changing the rules set by Mitch are okay by you then? Can of worms time is coming.

Nothing to change....it is a made up rule, with no standing anywhere. I believe it was an affront to our country. It represents where we have traveled.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

But Democrats were incensed and threw a fit for years about Merrick Garland, insisting that a sitting President had that right. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenky it would be wrong and immoral. Such hypocrisy.

If McConnell had given in to their demands, this wouldn't even be a thing. She would've retired during Obama's presidency, knowing that one available seat had already been filled by a reasonable justice.

Since he refused to even consider Garland, and claimed (at the time) that it was because it was too close to election (Garland was nominated 9 MONTHS before election day), the hypocrisy is on him, should he insist that RBG's replacement be pushed through less than 50 days before THIS election.

The election needs to be supported by the people. At the present time, the people do not support the president. The president is the one who nominates people for the SCOTUS seat.

[ithos]

Close the thread "TOO POLITICAL"

This may be the most impactful political event of our lifetimes. I think we can have a meaningful discourse as long as it doesn't become overtly partisan. I have seen some disparaging comments that I feel cross the line and they were not about RBG.

There is a difference between commenting on the impact of politics and political rhetoric especially when it becomes derogatory.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The justice must not have trusted Pres Obama to replace her or she would have retired so he could pick his choice. Something was weird there!

She trusted Obama - she approved of Merrick Garland as his previous pick. But she didn't trust the Senate to approve him. And then when they proved to her that they couldn't be trusted, she chose to stick around as long as possible and hope that the Senate would be flipped to something a little less extremist ultra-conservative, and a little more moderate and reasonable.

[T186021]

Really was hoping RBG made it to 2021, the great ones always die way 2 early! Condolences , prayers and love to her family and friends.

[Lindsyburnsy]

I guess what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. It's wonderful to see how dishonorable and hypocritical our leaders are. Power, but not to the People.

[Rosebud1949]

Now we need another strong woman to replace her. Be warned women will become (again) 2nd rate citizens if this does not happen. Lets hope the replacement is not sworn in until 2021.

[manaboutown]

Ruth was a brilliant woman and a mover and shaker.

[deestatham@aol.com]

R i p

Yes, RIP! She accomplished a lot in her lifetime fr sure!🙏

[8notes]

This was a blessing ... the poor woman was suffering in pain from the cancer also now innocent babies will Soon have a chance not to be murdered daily.

So good thing she is dead? Wow, nice sentiment.

[dtennent]

RIP Ruth Bader Ginsburg Here is a small bit of her wisdom...

"Fight for the things that you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you."

[asianthree]

RIP Ruth Bader Ginsburg Here is a small bit of her wisdom...

"Fight for the things that you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you."

That was my favorite Ginseng’s quote. About to post, Thank you for just remembering the women, with any political view.

[Taltarzac725]

U.S. Senate: Supreme Court Nominations (1789-Present) (https://www.senate.gov/legislative/nominations/SupremeCourtNominations1789present.htm)

Finding a replacement for Ruth Bader Ginsburg will not be easy.

[ruralgoddess]

Well said.

[MDLNB]

Be interesting to see how this plays out. She was a fighter that is for sure.

Her body was falling apart but she was still sharp.


She definitely had a "sharp" tongue.
Not a fan but also did not wish her any ill will. We would not have these problems if they had mandatory age retirements like they have in other gov organizations.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

U.S. Senate: Supreme Court Nominations (1789-Present) (https://www.senate.gov/legislative/nominations/SupremeCourtNominations1789present.htm)

Finding a replacement for Ruth Bader Ginsburg will not be easy.

Of course it's easy. Here's a sample conversation that can make it happen:

"Hey Mitch. Let's stick it to the other side. How about we pick David Duke for the new SCOTUS seat?"
Mitch: "LOL totes let's do it."

And...it gets done.

[Bucco]

Sen. Lindsay Graham on March 10, 2016.....



““I want you to use my words against me. If there’s a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said let’s let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination.”
~Lindsey Graham
March 10, 2016”

[MDLNB]

If McConnell meant what he said and forced through for Obama's pick, then he’s a hypocrite if he tries to push a nomination through so close to the election.


Didn't I hear someone say something like "elections have consequences"???

[Bucco]

“The principle is the same. Whether it’s before the election or after the election, the principle is the American people are choosing their next president, and their next president should pick this Supreme Court nominee.”

Sen. McConnell March 2016

[graciegirl]

“The principle is the same. Whether it’s before the election or after the election, the principle is the American people are choosing their next president, and their next president should pick this Supreme Court nominee.”

Sen. McConnell March 2016

Anyone who doesn't press an advantage if it is handed to you is stupid. And you know as well as I do that both sides would. Don't tell me lofty things. Use common sense.

[MDLNB]

That doesn't surprise me. Considering what an empathic and humble person he is.


"Humble" might be OK for a priest. I don't want a president that is "humble."

[Bucco]

Anyone who doesn't press an advantage if it is handed to you is stupid. And you know as well as I do that both sides would. Don't tell me lofty things. Use common sense.

Simply pointing out hypocrisy, and as an active GOP supporter at the time, without debating Garlands resume, I was embarrassed by McConnells action, and frankly do not recall such blatant political game playing ever. No discussion, no hearing, nothing for almost a year to simply not allow a legitimate confirmation chance.

Part of the trouble in the last hearings were that many are sore and mad about that, and that is something the GOP should be wary if....yes, hypocrisy is part of it.....saw it first hand many times in my career, never so blatant on such an important issue. Not even a wave to what is good for the country.

[MDLNB]

If McConnell hadn't refused to consider Obama's choice for SCOTUS at the time (Merrick Garland), hadn't even allowed it to be considered by the Senate at all - then Garland would've taken that vacancy, and RBG would've been able to retire knowing that a moderate judge was put into the other position.

That was her, suffering through sickness, in order to preserve the Republic. There is no personal ambition when you're SCOTUS. When you become USSCOTUS - you have won. Game over.


I guess that is one spin on it

[Tblue]

May she R.I.P. Is there going to be issues if the President nominates someone prior to the election? YES. If she had passed a year ago and the President put up names for nomination would there have been issues? YES. If she were to have passed a few months from now, the day after the election would there be issues? YES. Just my thoughts, but it seems like waiting or not waiting has problems, we need to move ahead.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I guess that is one spin on it

You claimed her choices were because she's ambitious. I refuted that - because once you are SCOTUS, you have realized any career-related ambition you can possibly realize. That is the highest level in the game of politics. Appointed for life, there's no demotions, no firing, no forced retirement, and you along with your other fellow-life-appointees, call the shots. That is the end-game.

Ambition, at that point in your life, is 100% completely invalid and irrelevant. When you are as high as you can get, there is nothing left to be ambitious about, with regards to your career.

[MDLNB]

You claimed her choices were because she's ambitious. I refuted that - because once you are SCOTUS, you have realized any career-related ambition you can possibly realize. That is the highest level in the game of politics. Appointed for life, there's no demotions, no firing, no forced retirement, and you along with your other fellow-life-appointees, call the shots. That is the end-game.

Ambition, at that point in your life, is 100% completely invalid and irrelevant. When you are as high as you can get, there is nothing left to be ambitious about, with regards to your career.


I do not know which post you are responding to, but it wasn't mine.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

In theory, there are too many Republican senators, including McConnell, in vulnerable seats to chance a vote pre-election. If McSally loses her seat in the special election, the vote will take place before her opponent takes the seat, which he could do as early as Nov 30. No matter who wins the White House, Trump will nominate a new justice who will be confirmed if Grassley, Collins, Murkowski, and Graham vote party line. It could take decades to achieve anything resembling an ideological balance at SCOTUS.

[coffeebean]

So good thing she is dead? Wow, nice sentiment.

I take that comment to mean, "Good thing she is no longer suffering".

[billethkid]

May she rest in peace.

However it may take 4 1/2 years before there is a new president!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I do not know which post you are responding to, but it wasn't mine.

Sorry, I mixed posters. You said "that's one spin on it" and I mistakenly thought you were Ithos, who was the person I responded to in the first place.

[Madelaine Amee]

I have very strong feelings about this election, but there is really no point in letting it drive you crazy. When I get in bed and cannot clear my mind I just tell myself life has been going on for many years and it will continue without my mind worrying about it. Things always seem to work out in the end, although this may take a long time to get to the end.

[jebartle]

I think it will happen ... and fast. With the divisiveness in this country, and so many issues headed to the supremes, I think he will nominate and will get approved fast. Republicans still control the senate. Regardless of what Kavanaugh went through, they could do this in a day or two. Unprecedented? yes. Impossible? no.

Patience, grasshopper, 4 gop senators will not vote scotus nominee until AFTER election