How Tall Will They Be?

[Villages Kahuna]

There have been lots of words written recently about the apartments to be built at the Hacienda Hills CC site. How about some arithmetic?

—The 7 acre site has 308,00 sq.ft. of buildable space.

— If we make a conservative assumption that 3 acres of the site will be required for the resort pool, walking trails, and other recreational amenities promised by the Developer, the buildable portion of the site is reduced to 176,000 sf.

— The amount of buildable space will be further reduced by the space required for surface parking for apartment residents and guests cars and golf carts, and modest landscaping around the building. At standard “striping sizes” and assuming 1/4 acre of landscaping, those items further reduce the buildable surface on the site by about 75,000 sf, further reducing the buildable surface to about 101,000 sf.

— At an average size of 1,200 sf, the 286 apartments will require 343,000 sf. Add in a 20% factor for hallways and other common areas and there will be 412,000 sf under roof. No allocation has been made for the promised restaurant or restaurant parking.

The arithmetic indicates that the new structure will average slightly more than 4 stories in height. If resident parking and a restaurant are added “under roof”, the structure would average closer to 5 stories in height. If parking for the apartments is provided under ground, the height of the structure could be maintained at about 4 stories.

All that arithmetic being considered, fitting a resort pool, pool structure, restaurant, golf starting facilities, walking paths and other sports amenities, all promised by the Developer, onto only 3 acres of land seems to be a tall order

I’ve tried to be transparent in how I arrived at my conclusions. Feel free to change whatever assumptions you’d like and see what conclusions you reach.

[graciegirl]

There have been lots of words written recently about the apartments to be built at the Hacienda Hills CC site. How about some arithmetic?


The 7 acre site has 308,00 sq.ft. of buildable space.
[•]if we make the assumption that 3 acres of the site will be required for the resort pool, walking trails, and other recreational amenities promised by the Developer, the buildable portion of the site is reduced to 176,000 sf.
[•]The amount of buildable space will be further reduced by the space required for surface parking for modest landscaping around the new apartment structure, apartment residents’ and guests cars and golf carts. At standard “striping sizes” and assuming 1/4 acre of landscaping, those items require about 75,000 sf, further reducing the buildable space to about 101,000 sf.
[•]At an average size of 1,200 sf, the 286 apartments will require 343,000 sf. Add in a 20% factor for hallways and other common areas and there will be 412,000 sf under roof. No allocation has been made for the promised restaurant or restaurant parking.


The arithmetic indicates that the new structure will average slightly more than 4 stories in height. If resident parking and a restaurant are added “under roof”, the structure would average closer to 5 stories in height. If parking for the apartments is provided under ground, the height of the structure could be maintained at about 4 stories.

All that arithmetic being considered, fitting a resort pool, pool structure, restaurant, golf starting facilities, walking paths and other sports amenities, all promised by the Developer, onto only 3 acres of land seems to be a tall order

I’ve tried to be transparent in how I arrived at my conclusions. Feel free to change whatever assumptions you’d like and see what conclusions you reach.


I think that your figures are based on how many CAN be built. I think it will be a three storey building much like the Lofts and much like the independent living building next to Bob Evans on 466. Usually figures established tell how many POSSIBLE units and the tallest they CAN be. But you could be right.

But you could be wrong too. We will see. I so hope I am right and everyone will be pleased. I am really worried about these new commissioners and their goals. Having someone in sync with the developer has allowed all permitting and processes to go smoothly, but someone could if they wanted, be obstructive, throw a monkey wrench into that. If it hurts The Villages, it hurts all of us. So far this place has been an enormous success story, building and giving employment to many people. Supporting excellent Charter Schools, keeping restrictions that cause homes to be well kept. There is always an element of politics for and against big business. I worry about the commissioner that switched parties just before he was elected.

I hope that The Villages builds a beautiful building and landscapes it like they always do and have a lovely pool and that older people who want to rent will find a nice place to rent and all this criticism is put to rest.

[birdiebill]

I suspect there will be no where close to 280 apartment units constructed at the HHCC site.

[John41]

There have been lots of words written recently about the apartments to be built at the Hacienda Hills CC site. How about some arithmetic?

—The 7 acre site has 308,00 sq.ft. of buildable space.

— If we make a conservative assumption that 3 acres of the site will be required for the resort pool, walking trails, and other recreational amenities promised by the Developer, the buildable portion of the site is reduced to 176,000 sf.

— The amount of buildable space will be further reduced by the space required for surface parking for apartment residents and guests cars and golf carts, and modest landscaping around the building. At standard “striping sizes” and assuming 1/4 acre of landscaping, those items further reduce the buildable surface on the site by about 75,000 sf, further reducing the buildable surface to about 101,000 sf.

— At an average size of 1,200 sf, the 286 apartments will require 343,000 sf. Add in a 20% factor for hallways and other common areas and there will be 412,000 sf under roof. No allocation has been made for the promised restaurant or restaurant parking.

The arithmetic indicates that the new structure will average slightly more than 4 stories in height. If resident parking and a restaurant are added “under roof”, the structure would average closer to 5 stories in height. If parking for the apartments is provided under ground, the height of the structure could be maintained at about 4 stories.

All that arithmetic being considered, fitting a resort pool, pool structure, restaurant, golf starting facilities, walking paths and other sports amenities, all promised by the Developer, onto only 3 acres of land seems to be a tall order

I’ve tried to be transparent in how I arrived at my conclusions. Feel free to change whatever assumptions you’d like and see what conclusions you reach.

Good analysis. On a 7 acre site they could build 7 high end homes at $500,000 each for a total $3,500,000. No need to build a 3 or 4 story monstrosity like The Lofts.

[Stu from NYC]

There have been lots of words written recently about the apartments to be built at the Hacienda Hills CC site. How about some arithmetic?

—The 7 acre site has 308,00 sq.ft. of buildable space.

— If we make a conservative assumption that 3 acres of the site will be required for the resort pool, walking trails, and other recreational amenities promised by the Developer, the buildable portion of the site is reduced to 176,000 sf.

— The amount of buildable space will be further reduced by the space required for surface parking for apartment residents and guests cars and golf carts, and modest landscaping around the building. At standard “striping sizes” and assuming 1/4 acre of landscaping, those items further reduce the buildable surface on the site by about 75,000 sf, further reducing the buildable surface to about 101,000 sf.

— At an average size of 1,200 sf, the 286 apartments will require 343,000 sf. Add in a 20% factor for hallways and other common areas and there will be 412,000 sf under roof. No allocation has been made for the promised restaurant or restaurant parking.

The arithmetic indicates that the new structure will average slightly more than 4 stories in height. If resident parking and a restaurant are added “under roof”, the structure would average closer to 5 stories in height. If parking for the apartments is provided under ground, the height of the structure could be maintained at about 4 stories.

All that arithmetic being considered, fitting a resort pool, pool structure, restaurant, golf starting facilities, walking paths and other sports amenities, all promised by the Developer, onto only 3 acres of land seems to be a tall order

I’ve tried to be transparent in how I arrived at my conclusions. Feel free to change whatever assumptions you’d like and see what conclusions you reach.

Good analysis but a question. Given the water table here is it possible to build a below ground parking garage?

If so think we will build a basement and man cave for me.

[Rga20]

So the 7 high end homes with a 30% margin will generate a littke mire than a million dollars profit...once. At an average of 2000 per month the apartments will generate 6.5M per year...year after year. Even with a larger investment to start the apartments win hands down from a pure dollar perspective.

[billethkid]

Underground parking?

In Florida?

The Villages?

[dewilson58]

So the 7 high end homes with a 30% margin will generate a littke mire than a million dollars profit...once. At an average of 2000 per month the apartments will generate 6.5M per year...year after year. Even with a larger investment to start the apartments win hands down from a pure dollar perspective.


apples and oranges............comparing gross revenue to gross margin. duh.

[JGVillages]

So how does sink hole insurance work when renting? Does the building owner purchase for the entire building? Do the renters get coverage if their personal property (furniture, cars, golf carts) is damaged or destroyed by sink hole damage? Just curious.

[John41]

So the 7 high end homes with a 30% margin will generate a littke mire than a million dollars profit...once. At an average of 2000 per month the apartments will generate 6.5M per year...year after year. Even with a larger investment to start the apartments win hands down from a pure dollar perspective.

From a pure dollar perspective turning the golf courses into high rise apartments wins hands down too. But the Villages sold a lifestyle and I think kicking a hornets nest of angry Villagers might not be wise.

[thelegges]

So how does sink hole insurance work when renting? Does the building owner purchase for the entire building? Do the renters get coverage if their personal property (furniture, cars, golf carts) is damaged or destroyed by sink hole damage? Just curious.

As a renter you insure contents, how it’s destroyed will be in the small print if it’s covered

[Stu from NYC]

From a pure dollar perspective turning the golf courses into high rise apartments wins hands down too. But the Villages sold a lifestyle and I think kicking a hornets nest of angry Villagers might not be wise.

My suspicion is most will not pay any attention until whatever is going to happen will happen.

[thelegges]

I think that your figures are based on how many CAN be built. I think it will be a three storey building much like the Lofts and much like the independent living building next to Bob Evans on 466. Usually figures established tell how many POSSIBLE units and the tallest they CAN be. But you could be right.

But you could be wrong too. We will see. I so hope I am right and everyone will be pleased. I am really worried about these new commissioners and their goals. I worry about the commissioner that switched parties just before he was elected.



At the meeting the apartments could be 4 stories.

But I thought the old commissioners are still in Office, and they were the ones who changed parties. Don’t the new commissionerstake office in November, but I could be wrong

[npwalters]

There have been lots of words written recently about the apartments to be built at the Hacienda Hills CC site. How about some arithmetic?

—The 7 acre site has 308,00 sq.ft. of buildable space.

— If we make a conservative assumption that 3 acres of the site will be required for the resort pool, walking trails, and other recreational amenities promised by the Developer, the buildable portion of the site is reduced to 176,000 sf.

— The amount of buildable space will be further reduced by the space required for surface parking for apartment residents and guests cars and golf carts, and modest landscaping around the building. At standard “striping sizes” and assuming 1/4 acre of landscaping, those items further reduce the buildable surface on the site by about 75,000 sf, further reducing the buildable surface to about 101,000 sf.

— At an average size of 1,200 sf, the 286 apartments will require 343,000 sf. Add in a 20% factor for hallways and other common areas and there will be 412,000 sf under roof. No allocation has been made for the promised restaurant or restaurant parking.

The arithmetic indicates that the new structure will average slightly more than 4 stories in height. If resident parking and a restaurant are added “under roof”, the structure would average closer to 5 stories in height. If parking for the apartments is provided under ground, the height of the structure could be maintained at about 4 stories.

All that arithmetic being considered, fitting a resort pool, pool structure, restaurant, golf starting facilities, walking paths and other sports amenities, all promised by the Developer, onto only 3 acres of land seems to be a tall order

I’ve tried to be transparent in how I arrived at my conclusions. Feel free to change whatever assumptions you’d like and see what conclusions you reach.

Wow, actual facts and analysis on TOTV! Well done. I tend to use the approved Tennessee definition. They are trying to squeeze 10 pounds of crap into a 5 pound bag.

[dewilson58]

Wow, actual facts and analysis on TOTV! Well done. .


Don't get too excited.................estimates and assumptions.


:1rotfl:

[Northwoods]

Wow, actual facts and analysis on TOTV! Well done. I tend to use the approved Tennessee definition. They are trying to squeeze 10 pounds of crap into a 5 pound bag.

I agree with you. I prefer facts vs. pure speculation and guessing.... Like...
The squares will be shut down and turned into apartments
Entertainment in the squares will stop if people own apartments in the squares because they will complain about the noise
As soon as a country club gets run down it will be turned into apartments (like Lopez. Oh wait... that was completely refurbished and is now a beautiful restaurant)

There are many more. All speculation with no basis in fact. Yes... we keep hearing it over and over again.
I will say, at least you are fighting a fight where they have declared they want to build apartments at HHCC. The statements above are just stirring the pot.

[John41]

My suspicion is most will not pay any attention until whatever is going to happen will happen.

I agree many will not pay attention until the apartments break ground. Then it will be slow torture as the surrounding residents watch as the monstrosity slowly rises above the tree line then blocks the sun. Plus the construction noise, truck traffic etc it won’t be pretty. Suggested name The Tenements of Hacienda Hills.

[Mleeja]

There have been lots of words written recently about the apartments to be built at the Hacienda Hills CC site. How about some arithmetic?

—The 7 acre site has 308,00 sq.ft. of buildable space.

— If we make a conservative assumption that 3 acres of the site will be required for the resort pool, walking trails, and other recreational amenities promised by the Developer, the buildable portion of the site is reduced to 176,000 sf.

— The amount of buildable space will be further reduced by the space required for surface parking for apartment residents and guests cars and golf carts, and modest landscaping around the building. At standard “striping sizes” and assuming 1/4 acre of landscaping, those items further reduce the buildable surface on the site by about 75,000 sf, further reducing the buildable surface to about 101,000 sf.

— At an average size of 1,200 sf, the 286 apartments will require 343,000 sf. Add in a 20% factor for hallways and other common areas and there will be 412,000 sf under roof. No allocation has been made for the promised restaurant or restaurant parking.

The arithmetic indicates that the new structure will average slightly more than 4 stories in height. If resident parking and a restaurant are added “under roof”, the structure would average closer to 5 stories in height. If parking for the apartments is provided under ground, the height of the structure could be maintained at about 4 stories.

All that arithmetic being considered, fitting a resort pool, pool structure, restaurant, golf starting facilities, walking paths and other sports amenities, all promised by the Developer, onto only 3 acres of land seems to be a tall order

I’ve tried to be transparent in how I arrived at my conclusions. Feel free to change whatever assumptions you’d like and see what conclusions you reach.

We keep hearing 286 units, but I think it will eventually be less. My reasoning? Just making a few educated guesses like everyone else. The Developers got the rights to 300 amenity fees. Some have been used already leaving 286. There is also desires to convert some of the second stories in Spanish Springs to apartments. If these are approved, some of the amenity fees will be used for these residents. Lastly, I think the Developers will work with the angry residents around the HH golf course and limit the height of the building. I’d suggest a trade off might be taking a bit more land by making holes #1 on the Lakes and Oak courses as par 4s. That would allow an additional 75/100 yards to work with. I have NO inside information. Just making some assumptions from what I have read and heard in various meetings.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I think it'll be somewhat less than 200 units total in this specific location. But hey let's call it 200 exactly. There's no reason each unit has to be 1200 square feet on average. They could have a couple of 3-bedrooms at 1500 SF on the top floor, with a few 1300 2/2 with a bonus den. Then on the next floor, mostly 900sf 1/1 and 2/1.5. And the first floor could be mostly 1000sf 1/1.5 and 2/1.5. There's also no reason why it would have to be 4 or 5 floors. In fact - if you account for a minimum of 8 foot ceilings plus at least a foot between each floor for ductwork, wiring, and soundproofing, there's no way 50 feet tall can possibly equal 4 floors of living space. The math just doesn't work. It would have to be 3 floors.

OR...if it's not going to be just one building (remember we still have no idea what it's going to look like) - it could be a couple of 3-floor apartment buildings one one end, and a circle of 2-storey villas similar to the ones in Spanish Springs surrounding the pool, with another couple of rows of 2-floor villas behind that on the other end.

And walking trails going all throughout the whole thing, with a golf cart path leading to the rec building and outdoor activities center.

You could get 200 units total that way, and still have it look nice. I STILL think it's too many units, and I STILL think it'll be too much of a traffic nightmare. But I don't think its appearance is going to be a problem. You can support the developer or loathe them - but you have to admit they produce good looking properties.

[tophcfa]

apples and oranges............comparing gross revenue to gross margin. duh.

Margin Trumps Revenue every time. But, the bottom line is that what is being done at HH is simply not the right thing to do! People, fellow Villagers, that I feel very sorry for, were sold a supposedly dream home. Now they are getting a not anticipated nightmare experience jammed down their throats. I don’t care how one tries to justify it, it’s the wrong thing to do!

[Scott O]

The reality is, it will probably look no different than the multiple Assisted and Independent living units that are everywhere throughout The Villages. So why is everyone getting so riled up? It will be same in principle as those, that so many live near now...and it will give people in the North end of the villages an opportunity for apartment living if needed, like down in Brownwood. Instead of thinking it’s a negative, think they are giving people that option if it becomes too much to manage a house and yard vs expensive Independent living facilities.

[Rosie1950]

There have been lots of words written recently about the apartments to be built at the Hacienda Hills CC site. How about some arithmetic?

—The 7 acre site has 308,00 sq.ft. of buildable space.

— If we make a conservative assumption that 3 acres of the site will be required for the resort pool, walking trails, and other recreational amenities promised by the Developer, the buildable portion of the site is reduced to 176,000 sf.

— The amount of buildable space will be further reduced by the space required for surface parking for apartment residents and guests cars and golf carts, and modest landscaping around the building. At standard “striping sizes” and assuming 1/4 acre of landscaping, those items further reduce the buildable surface on the site by about 75,000 sf, further reducing the buildable surface to about 101,000 sf.

— At an average size of 1,200 sf, the 286 apartments will require 343,000 sf. Add in a 20% factor for hallways and other common areas and there will be 412,000 sf under roof. No allocation has been made for the promised restaurant or restaurant parking.

The arithmetic indicates that the new structure will average slightly more than 4 stories in height. If resident parking and a restaurant are added “under roof”, the structure would average closer to 5 stories in height. If parking for the apartments is provided under ground, the height of the structure could be maintained at about 4 stories.

All that arithmetic being considered, fitting a resort pool, pool structure, restaurant, golf starting facilities, walking paths and other sports amenities, all promised by the Developer, onto only 3 acres of land seems to be a tall order

I’ve tried to be transparent in how I arrived at my conclusions. Feel free to change whatever assumptions you’d like and see what conclusions you reach.

Hope all the seniors can do stairs, in the event of fire ( we all know how things are built AND inspected around here) or power outages. How long were some out of power in the last Hurricane?

[Girlcopper]

Good analysis. On a 7 acre site they could build 7 high end homes at $500,000 each for a total $3,500,000. No need to build a 3 or 4 story monstrosity like The Lofts.
Are you willing to pay half a million for a house in TV? Yes, its nice here but theres better places to live for that amount of money

[joecian1]

Check out the new apartment complex on 466 in Lady Lake to get
a non arithmetical estimate of building height & density. Thought I saw an ad for this place highlighting its proximity to Villages amenities

[jbrown132]

Underground parking?

In Florida?

The Villages?

They just have to wait for the sink hole.

[dewilson58]

Hope all the seniors can do stairs, in the event of fire ( we all know how things are built AND inspected around here) or power outages. How long were some out of power in the last Hurricane?


They are installing fire poles & slides.

[ProfessorDave]

Gross margin is always as a percent; gross profit is always in dollars. duh

[Stu from NYC]

They are installing fire poles & slides.

In that case count us in:icon_wink:

[toeser]

Good analysis. On a 7 acre site they could build 7 high end homes at $500,000 each for a total $3,500,000. No need to build a 3 or 4 story monstrosity like The Lofts.

You might wish to check out current home prices. A high end home on a one acre lot would go for more like $1 million each, not $500k which is now just average.

[Buckeye Bob]

There have been lots of words written recently about the apartments to be built at the Hacienda Hills CC site. How about some arithmetic?

—The 7 acre site has 308,00 sq.ft. of buildable space.

— If we make a conservative assumption that 3 acres of the site will be required for the resort pool, walking trails, and other recreational amenities promised by the Developer, the buildable portion of the site is reduced to 176,000 sf.

— The amount of buildable space will be further reduced by the space required for surface parking for apartment residents and guests cars and golf carts, and modest landscaping around the building. At standard “striping sizes” and assuming 1/4 acre of landscaping, those items further reduce the buildable surface on the site by about 75,000 sf, further reducing the buildable surface to about 101,000 sf.

— At an average size of 1,200 sf, the 286 apartments will require 343,000 sf. Add in a 20% factor for hallways and other common areas and there will be 412,000 sf under roof. No allocation has been made for the promised restaurant or restaurant parking.

The arithmetic indicates that the new structure will average slightly more than 4 stories in height. If resident parking and a restaurant are added “under roof”, the structure would average closer to 5 stories in height. If parking for the apartments is provided under ground, the height of the structure could be maintained at about 4 stories.

All that arithmetic being considered, fitting a resort pool, pool structure, restaurant, golf starting facilities, walking paths and other sports amenities, all promised by the Developer, onto only 3 acres of land seems to be a tall order

I’ve tried to be transparent in how I arrived at my conclusions. Feel free to change whatever assumptions you’d like and see what conclusions you reach.

You can remove the calculations for the restaurant as there is absolutely nothing in writing in the final agreement about a restaurant.

[hal195z]

A 3 bedroom 1 bath apartment is a large size at 960 sq ft. , and senior apartments do not need 3 bedrooms. 1,200 sq ft is huge.

[justjim]

The Villages Developer overall has done a great job designing and building this Senior Adult Community called The Villages. If you ask them, they would say “we would do a few things different but overall we are pleased”. 99% of residents would agree. We can trust them to do what is right with this new concept of apartment living. IMHO they have a reputation to protect and they live around here too. Fore!

[dewilson58]

The Villages Developer overall has done a great job designing and building this Senior Adult Community called The Villages. If you ask them, they would say “we would do a few things different but overall we are pleased”. 99% of residents would agree. We can trust them to do what is right with this new concept of apartment living. IMHO they have a reputation to protect and they live around here too. Fore!


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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Three acres for a pool? Take a look around. I think that most of the pools including buildings take up less than an acre. Walking paths can be done around the building without taking up a lot of sq footage.

And where does the 286 apartments come from? I've heard the number 300 apartments as well. As far as I know the application is for 265 apartments. The restaurant, and rec room can be located on the first floor. A golf shop is not necessary as the starter shed can handle everything that the golf shop did except for selling merchandise which no one ever bought anyway. If they want a shop, they can erect a small building adjacent to the starter shack.

Like many people hear are saying, these people have done so many things well in the past, I would expect them to do a good job of this as well.

I do have some reservation about the additional traffic however. Maybe it's time to widen Morse and construct of the road golf cart paths for its entire length.

[John41]

Are you willing to pay half a million for a house in TV? Yes, its nice here but theres better places to live for that amount of money

There are already homes sold over one million dollars in TV.

[John41]

The reality is, it will probably look no different than the multiple Assisted and Independent living units that are everywhere throughout The Villages. So why is everyone getting so riled up? .

Because they are losing a view they paid a premium for and their home value will decline. Would you be ok with that if it were your home?

[birdiebill]

The Villages Developer overall has done a great job designing and building this Senior Adult Community called The Villages. If you ask them, they would say “we would do a few things different but overall we are pleased”. 99% of residents would agree. We can trust them to do what is right with this new concept of apartment living. IMHO they have a reputation to protect and they live around here too. Fore!
I agree wholeheartedly. We have only been here for 4 and 1/2 years, but have been impressed by everything the developer has done. Times change, demographics change, lifestyles change. Some of us are very resistant to change; others deal well with change. The developer has to keep up with change to attract future Villagers, but also placate those who have been here for a long time. It would behoove all to base comments on known facts rather than starting rumors and conspiracy theories. I don't understand why people stay here if they are unhappy, but I suspect Covid has a lot to do with much of the unhappiness. Once this Covid pandemic is resolved, our normal fun filled activities will resume and once again make this a very enjoyable place to live.

[Two Bills]

They are installing fire poles & slides.

The poles are for the dancers!:icon_wink:

[graciegirl]

The poles are for the dancers!:icon_wink:

I need to update my resume.

[dadoiron]

I think that your figures are based on how many CAN be built. I think it will be a three storey building much like the Lofts and much like the independent living building next to Bob Evans on 466. Usually figures established tell how many POSSIBLE units and the tallest they CAN be. But you could be right.

But you could be wrong too. We will see. I so hope I am right and everyone will be pleased. I am really worried about these new commissioners and their goals. Having someone in sync with the developer has allowed all permitting and processes to go smoothly, but someone could if they wanted, be obstructive, throw a monkey wrench into that. If it hurts The Villages, it hurts all of us. So far this place has been an enormous success story, building and giving employment to many people. Supporting excellent Charter Schools, keeping restrictions that cause homes to be well kept. There is always an element of politics for and against big business. I worry about the commissioner that switched parties just before he was elected.

I hope that The Villages builds a beautiful building and landscapes it like they always do and have a lovely pool and that older people who want to rent will find a nice place to rent and all this criticism is put to rest.

If taller than three stories expect to be tagged to pay for a new fire fighting ladder truck that can reach the new structure.

[MandoMan]

There have been lots of words written recently about the apartments to be built at the Hacienda Hills CC site. How about some arithmetic?

—The 7 acre site has 308,00 sq.ft. of buildable space.

— If we make a conservative assumption that 3 acres of the site will be required for the resort pool, walking trails, and other recreational amenities promised by the Developer, the buildable portion of the site is reduced to 176,000 sf.

— The amount of buildable space will be further reduced by the space required for surface parking for apartment residents and guests cars and golf carts, and modest landscaping around the building. At standard “striping sizes” and assuming 1/4 acre of landscaping, those items further reduce the buildable surface on the site by about 75,000 sf, further reducing the buildable surface to about 101,000 sf.

— At an average size of 1,200 sf, the 286 apartments will require 343,000 sf. Add in a 20% factor for hallways and other common areas and there will be 412,000 sf under roof. No allocation has been made for the promised restaurant or restaurant parking.

The arithmetic indicates that the new structure will average slightly more than 4 stories in height. If resident parking and a restaurant are added “under roof”, the structure would average closer to 5 stories in height. If parking for the apartments is provided under ground, the height of the structure could be maintained at about 4 stories.

All that arithmetic being considered, fitting a resort pool, pool structure, restaurant, golf starting facilities, walking paths and other sports amenities, all promised by the Developer, onto only 3 acres of land seems to be a tall order

I’ve tried to be transparent in how I arrived at my conclusions. Feel free to change whatever assumptions you’d like and see what conclusions you reach.

I’m not certain, but I believe the report I read about yesterday specified a maximum of 64’ high. There might be a parapet above the top floor and a flat roof with the air conditioning up there. There might also be shingled roofs with roof trusses, say 4 in 12. That would be included in the height, and that would take up six feet. The first floor may well be several feet above ground level.

So I agree with you: four stories. How many elevators?

[graciegirl]

I’m not certain, but I believe the report I read about yesterday specified a maximum of 64’ high. There might be a parapet above the top floor and a flat roof with the air conditioning up there. There might also be shingled roofs with roof trusses, say 4 in 12. That would be included in the height, and that would take up six feet. The first floor may well be several feet above ground level.

So I agree with you: four stories. How many elevators?

I say three. Wanna bet? I have five bucks here.

[John41]

I’m not certain, but I believe the report I read about yesterday specified a maximum of 64’ high. There might be a parapet above the top floor and a flat roof with the air conditioning up there. There might also be shingled roofs with roof trusses, say 4 in 12. That would be included in the height, and that would take up six feet. The first floor may well be several feet above ground level.

So I agree with you: four stories. How many elevators?

According to the internet a 4 story building would be 40 feet high. So that leaves 24 feet for parking or extra stories. Either way this will be a monstrosity to area residents.

[chuckandflo]

They will probably build a beautiful resort style pool, tennis courts, walking trails and various other amenities in place of the HH country club. It will be available to all residents including the ones who rent out his Loft like apartments that he builds in the area that was the P:welcome:alms nine of HH which he closed. Property values stay up. Blends in with Freedom point next door. Villagers are all happy and writing to friends back home to hurry down before this place is sold out.
:welcome:

[dewilson58]

According to the internet a 4 story building would be 40 feet high.


Going to be an extremely flat roof at 40 feet, or it might work.....old people shrink and are hunched over.

[John41]

Going to be an extremely flat roof at 40 feet, or it might work.....old people shrink and are hunched over.

10 feet per story should be high enough, 8’ for people and 2’ for utilities. What’s happening to the extra 24’?

[Barborv]

I just don't understand why they wouldn't choose to build these apartments in the new areas south of 44. They can make some of those new areas that aren't even built yet into apartments. Why do it in an existing neighborhood where its all homes!

[dewilson58]

I just don't understand why they wouldn't choose to build these apartments in the new areas south of 44. They can make some of those new areas that aren't even built yet into apartments. Why do it in an existing neighborhood where its all homes!


Empty space available.

Apartments might be more attractive in an established area.
Current homeowners might want to transition into an apartment in their own "area".

[Stu from NYC]

Empty space available.

Apartments might be more attractive in an established area.
Current homeowners might want to transition into an apartment in their own "area".

Especially if shopping is near by

[John41]

I just don't understand why they wouldn't choose to build these apartments in the new areas south of 44. They can make some of those new areas that aren't even built yet into apartments. Why do it in an existing neighborhood where its all homes!

No one would buy a single family home in the new area if they saw apartments being built nearby. Here they already have our money and don’t care.

[Stu from NYC]

No one would buy a single family home in the new area if they saw apartments being built nearby. Here they already have our money and don’t care.

Think you nailed it. Do not think they would pick an area and put up a thousand or so apartments while trying to sell new home.

[npwalters]

To address two points in the previous posts.

The maximum height allowed by Sumter County at the HH site is 50 feet. This was stated by the developers attorney and confirmed by Mr. Holly (county planning staff).

The developers attorney -under oath - and as also reported by the V-Ns - stated there WILL BE a restaurant at the site. I suppose they can "correct" that at the next meeting but it was read from a prepared statement. The agreement with the the AAC (amenity authority) does not require a restaurant.