Covid-19, deadlier than u.s. Wars

[olliedog1950]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

[Topspinmo]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

How do know this virus wasn’t weaponized?

But, the deaths from political wars could of been prevented. Deaths from deadly virus can’t. You can’t shoot Or hide from what you can’t see.

[jchase]

Look at the Flu deaths in the past five year!

[Joe V.]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

Sophistry, soft at that.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Regarding COVID death rates, twice as many folks have died of heart disease this year and nearly twice as many have died from cancer, so the real takeaway is that sugar, salt, fat, and sunshine actually kill more people than COVID but COVID does it quicker.

[manaboutown]

It is a weaponized virus developed at a laboratory in China, no doubt to kill people, which is what it is doing.

[Moderator]

Please stay on topic, which is COVID statistics. Political comments have been removed.

[Aloha1]

According to the CDC ( which has not walked this back) , about 6600 people have actually died FROM Sars Cov2. The 207,000 number comes from death stats which list people who died WITH covid19, not from it. Do some data digging and look at the change in deaths from heart attacks, pneumonia , flu, etc.from 2019 to now. They are all down because hospitals are coding these patients as having covid 19 regardless of when or how they got it or whether it was even a factor in their death.

[ficoguy]

To be perfectly fair, the death rate is going down. The most vulnerable have died - 80% had co-morbidity factors - obesity, diabetes, etc. The virus, like a wolf pack, picks off the weak....the strong survive....those who survive bubonic plague in Europe went on to begin the Renaissance....if the power structure of kings vs serfs had not been disrupted then learning may not have emerged for a long long time

[Bikeracer2009]

China's leader decided not to tell the world about the virus and then failed to contain it. They allowed their infected citizens to travel out of the country. What will the world do to China to punish them?

I think our debt to them should be erased for starters. Then we should stop doing business with them until they free their people and become a democracy.

The virus was better than starting a war. I remember hearing on the news that over 400,000 travelers came out of China the last two weeks before all travel was banned. Most went to NYC. I'm probably wrong on this information but I don't feel like looking it up.

[Dgizzi]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!
Yes but you failed to mention how many “false” positive test results. We are not getting the “true” numbers. And if a person tested positive they go back and get tested again in a week and still positive, it was counted AGAIN. And shouldn’t be. I noticed you didn’t have figures for any other pandemics, like the Swine Flu?

[Dgizzi]

Look at the Flu deaths in the past five year!
Thank You! People “forgot” that number. And I wonder how many deaths there were when the “flu” first came out?

[Scott O]

Thank you, it was exactly what point I was going to make. The statistics have been extremely skewed from the beginning, especially when they decided to make it profitable for hospitals to care for a patient with covid in the diagnosis, so suddenly it appeared on so many’s records...I know personally someone who did not have it and it was on their discharge instructions. They argued why it was on there and it was a moot point to the hospital in Atlanta...

[Footer]

Flu deaths have been in the range of 20,000 - 60,000 a year but will probably be much lower this year with all the social distancing and mask wearing.

This virus is not in China's best interests. They need a strong dollar and weak RMB so they can continue to export their products and maintain jobs for their people. They are not stupid enough to intentionally try to kill or ruin all their customers.

And don't forget they own a trillion dollars of our debt.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

Thanks to you I learned the word "Sophistry"--thanks

[junction29]

It is a weaponized virus developed at a laboratory in China, no doubt to kill people, which is what it is doing.

I think this was started deliberately by China and now that they have seen how successful this has been in damaging western economies, expect some more 👿👿

[donassaid]

"Real deaths from Covid 19, without contributing factors of obesity, diabetes, asthma, pneumonia, high blood pressure and heart disease are less than 15,000 according to the CDC. How about we get some "honest numbers"?

[Pamelah]

Look at the Flu deaths in the past five year!
The difference: There are flu vaccinations, there are none for Covid. Does that tell us that millions of people aren’t vaccinated for the flu, get sick and die? Kinda like non mask wearers? It would be interesting to know how many of those flu deaths occurred in non vaccinated folks. Kinda like non mask folk.

[MandoMan]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

This is horrible, but in context, in 1918-1920, when the world population was one fourth of what it is now, 28% of Americans are thought to have contracted the Spanish Influenza, and 2-3% of the population died: 675,000 people. The Bubonic Plague and Pneumonic Plague outbreaks of the mid-1300s and later are thought to have killed about a quarter to a third of the population of Europe. You think COVID-19 is scary? Imagine if it were like the 14th century plague. 110 million people dead just in this country. Horrifying. Two billion dead world-wide? We will survive our own particular pandemic, but numbers like this explain why it’s just as important to pour research and preparation money into pandemic prevention as into our military. There will be a “next one,” and it could be much worse.

[rphil11ort]

Problem is unlike the rest of the world we dont really know how many people died from covid. If you die of a heart attack but had.covid you died of covid. Same for car accident or anything else. The rest of the world does not do that. As the.president says 1 is to much but a real figure would be nice

[mjilek]

How about the flu, cancer, and other illnesses. Your comparison and analogy are pretty much meaningless!

[banjobob]

Thank you, it was exactly what point I was going to make. The statistics have been extremely skewed from the beginning, especially when they decided to make it profitable for hospitals to care for a patient with covid in the diagnosis, so suddenly it appeared on so many’s records...I know personally someone who did not have it and it was on their discharge instructions. They argued why it was on there and it was a moot point to the hospital in Atlanta...
As with so many things it is the money , list it as Covid and the fee is a lot more. Covid is a serious issue IF you have other issues .

[Girlcopper]

It is a weaponized virus developed at a laboratory in China, no doubt to kill people, which is what it is doing.
Paranoid thinking

[Pettys1]

Exactly... They say most deaths or Covid related.. Instead of cancer,heart attack it's all Covid. I know of a person who just died from old age 97 an in poor health but yet it was a Covid related death. It's all a scare tactic.

[PugMom]

"Real deaths from Covid 19, without contributing factors of obesity, diabetes, asthma, pneumonia, high blood pressure and heart disease are less than 15,000 according to the CDC. How about we get some "honest numbers"?

i had a discussion with a medical professional last week. i asked: if a person with covid is accidentally hit & killed by a car, what is his cause of death? answer: covid. they said this with a serious face. :faint:

[Beyond The Wall]

The virus is extremely contagious. The difference in the data is who is most susceptible . All the wars and Spanish Flu kill the young. The Wuhan Flu kills the elderly.

[LoisR]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!
And if one person acted appropriately, wisely, and accepted the professional guidance offered, most could have been avoided.

[Byte1]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

More people die of cancer every year than any virus. Guess we just have to live with people dying during our lifetime. Everyone dies. It's a fact of life.

[kenoc7]

Look at the Flu deaths in the past five year!
Flu deaths usually about 30,000 per year. Current projections for the year after the first COVID death are 300,000 - 350,000 so there is just a little difference!

[boilermaker7091]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

A couple of problems with your reasoning. First you do know the flu does this on a regular yearly basis but you overlooked that.

Secondly you figures for some of the wars are way off so be careful of how you report your statistics. Vietnam deaths we’re over 65,000 and the Civil War was over 650,000 and the latest from historians are talking about that figure be over 700,000. But until I see better facts I’m sticking with the 650,000 number.

Also if you remove New York you’ll be amazed how much the current virus numbers drop. So be car with your stats.

[wirenail444]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!
We can thank China for this virus.

[merrymini]

People lie every which way concerning covid, to get money, to look better, to look worse. None of these statistics are reliable.

[LowOnCash]

Covid is made up to be someting its not - while its ceratinly deadly its no worse than past virus we had or in fact the common Flu where the same amount of people die from it.

[Skunky1]

I have said from the very beginning that this would’ve made a great terrorist weapon!

[Neils]

670,000 American babies are murdered by abortion every year. Way more than WW I, II, Korea , and Vietnam combined.

Sounds much worse than Covid for unborn babies. How many babies are born each year???

My guess is this could be a baby death rate of maybe 20%.

Does this get reported as a pandemic????

[Jazzman]

"Real deaths from Covid 19, without contributing factors of obesity, diabetes, asthma, pneumonia, high blood pressure and heart disease are less than 15,000 according to the CDC. How about we get some "honest numbers"?

Just like the talking heads in the media. They pick and choose bits of data that fit their agenda. The numbers of individuals on this site who just repeat what their media tells them without taking the time to research facts is disturbing.

“You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts”. Sen. Patrick Moynihan

[lacornelio82]

I love that you were like "I don't feel like looking it up" ...However, on a side note I completely agree with your post

[Jazzman]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

Just a bit of info for you. Pre Covid over 7,000,000 die in the US each year on average from various causes. You can find multiple resources that will break that number down for you specific to each cause. Year to date Covid has resulted in an additional 833 deaths per day with the bulk of those deaths occurring in the first 90 days of the pandemic. That number has decreased each day since then and that number includes individuals who died from other causes but then it was determined that they had Covid as well. All this data is available at multiple government websites and other independent sites.

[Skunky1]

Yes ,contact tracing is needed to find who infected our president

[Jazzman]

The difference: There are flu vaccinations, there are none for Covid. Does that tell us that millions of people aren’t vaccinated for the flu, get sick and die? Kinda like non mask wearers? It would be interesting to know how many of those flu deaths occurred in non vaccinated folks. Kinda like non mask folk.

You can go to the CDC website and research the data. Specifically the data is broken down by age groups as to the percent of the population of that group who got flu shot in 2019. For those 65 and older group 67% received the shot meaning 36% did not for whatever reason and they remain vulnerable.

[Bikeracer2009]

And if one person acted appropriately, wisely, and accepted the professional guidance offered, most could have been avoided.

Exactly, China's leader could've prevented all of these deaths, long term effects of the virus and the trillions of dollars spent so far.

I don't see why his failure isn't placed at the top of the list of whom to blame?

Look at California for instance. The highest number of positives. But is it fair to blame the leadership of that state? The blame is clearly on the one who let this happen to the world?

[jbrown132]

Flu deaths have been in the range of 20,000 - 60,000 a year but will probably be much lower this year with all the social distancing and mask wearing.

This virus is not in China's best interests. They need a strong dollar and weak RMB so they can continue to export their products and maintain jobs for their people. They are not stupid enough to intentionally try to kill or ruin all their customers.

And don't forget they own a trillion dollars of our debt.

You have to remember China always takes the long view, where everything in the US is based on the next election cycle. The fact is tariffs were starting to have a major impact on them economically and through the new corporate tax structure companies were beginning to leave China. The slogan in China is 2025. That was their target for taking over the world economically and we put a wrench into their plans. So yes, I have no doubt this was done purposely.

[Larchap49]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there! Car accidents kill thousands. Are you going to stop driving? The flu kills thousands. Are you going to hide every fall? Hospitals kill thousands through mistakes and wrong diagnosis. Are you going to stay home in bed if you are ill to avoid the chance it could be you next? I won't even mention cigarettes and alcohol and other self inflicted killers.The list goes on and so does life. This country, it's workers and it's children need to get back to work and school. This needs to run it's course like any other Virus. Covid 19 is a modified cold virus. They have never been able to cure the common cold so what makes you think they will cure this. Take precautions but let's live our lives or at least let those of us who want to live ours without taking away the few pleasures we have left live theirs.

[bobnyce]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

That is a curious comparison to say the least. We have 330,000,000 people exposed to COVID only a few million at best exposed in Vietmam or Korea! Really, comparing a virus that effects us all to men and women fighting wars is ridiculous! Exactly how does that compare in any way? Come on man!

[oneclickplus]

Have we done a comparison between war deaths and children killed by their own parents via abortion? Look around - not just at covid19. Consider EVERYTHING that plagues this country: murders, rapes, robberies, riots, civil unrest, corruption at all levels of government & business, widespread pornography and subjugation of women, lying, greed, poverty, etc. Did anyone else notice how easy it was to disrupt the food and other supply lines (toilet paper anyone). And then on top of all this we have an insurmountable debt situation. Do you know that God prophesied that He would destroy an hypocritical nation (Isa 10:5-6). And a nation loaded with debt (pledges) will be conquered (Habakkuk 2:6-8).

How much longer before God’s blessings on it are completely removed? It looks imminent from where I’m sitting. COVID-19 deaths? This is just the beginning (of the end of this age). My 2 cents. Spend it any where you like.

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

[sloanst]

Tell that to people that died in a motorcycle accident but were listed as Covid deaths. My aunt had Alzheimer's for years and died at 90. But you guessed it. She was listed as a Covid death. Most of the people that die with Covid had other serious morbidity factors. Only about 6% of the people with Covid actually died from Covid alone. The rest had other health problems, forget about the age of those that have died. Bottom line, the numbers are hyped to create fear. Thank the media.

[GoPacers]

Yes ,contact tracing is needed to find who infected our president

This won't happen because the follow-on effort would track how many people were infected by the president. Don't ask, don't tell. Isn't that the famous mantra?

[kendi]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

And this is relevant how?

[irish2468]

This is just a ridiculous thread...Statistical value? I don't think so.

[Edcarney]

Many of the Covid deaths were fabricated. For example if your died in a car wreck and had Covid they reported it as a Covid death. Don’t fall for the propaganda

[doodles]

The number of deaths from flu in 2018-2019 flu season was 34,200

[chet2020]

Yes but you failed to mention how many “false” positive test results. We are not getting the “true” numbers. And if a person tested positive they go back and get tested again in a week and still positive, it was counted AGAIN. And shouldn’t be. I noticed you didn’t have figures for any other pandemics, like the Swine Flu?

Actually, false negatives are much more prevalent than false positives. It is a big problem with the Abbott rapid test.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Many of the Covid deaths were fabricated. For example if your died in a car wreck and had Covid they reported it as a Covid death. Don’t fall for the propaganda

Sounds like a plausible defense in a murder trial.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, yes, my client stabbed, beat, shot, and poisoned Mr Magoo. However, none of those actions caused his death....it was Covid.

[jebartle]

And its not through YET!

[Worldseries27]

i took at look at major united states wars and compared those deaths to covid-19, no comparison, covid-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 americans died 502 deaths a month
korea lasted 37 months 36,574 americans died, 988 deaths a month
wwii lasted 45 months 405,399 americans died, 9,009 a month
wwi lasted 19 months 116,516 americans died, 6,132 a month
the civil war lasted 48 months confederate and u.s. Total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
the american revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 americans died 44 a month
looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting america.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 covid-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% department of veteran's affairs, john hopkins university & medicine
let's be safe out there!
the war deaths were young men in the prime of their lives cut down by warfare. They had every desire to live full lives.
Covid deaths have been attributed to many groups of elderly, nursing homes etc
i suggest you recalculate the deaths of war heroes vs those who were 45 and younger and died solely from covid .
Session over

[jimjamuser]

It is a weaponized virus developed at a laboratory in China, no doubt to kill people, which is what it is doing.
And even IF true, how would I change my life to take that into consideration?

[jmkeyzers]

I just don’t understand comparing deaths in war to deaths from a health pandemic. It’s just not a comparison that makes any sense. Also the deaths from COVID are extremely hard to quantify. People are dying with it not from it but they count them all the same. It is political and financial reasons for the numbers. No one can deny this.

[jimjamuser]

According to the CDC ( which has not walked this back) , about 6600 people have actually died FROM Sars Cov2. The 207,000 number comes from death stats which list people who died WITH covid19, not from it. Do some data digging and look at the change in deaths from heart attacks, pneumonia , flu, etc.from 2019 to now. They are all down because hospitals are coding these patients as having covid 19 regardless of when or how they got it or whether it was even a factor in their death.
The US had 18% GREATER deaths during the CV period this year than the average deaths for the same period in other years. That increase can be attributed to CV . Therefore, the REAL number of CV deaths today is probably 270,000. In case someone thinks that this is not possible - compare it with other countries. Mexico is up 62% - that makes sense because Mexico does not have hospitals as good as the US. Peru has a 150% increase.

Now the clincher!!!! - Germany, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, S.Korea, and Thailand have had a ZERO INCREASE - NONE - And now their people are leading normal lives. Why? I am guessing that it is because of National Health Care. There certainly could be other factors.

[jimjamuser]

I just don’t understand comparing deaths in war to deaths from a health pandemic. It’s just not a comparison that makes any sense. Also the deaths from COVID are extremely hard to quantify. People are dying with it not from it but they count them all the same. It is political and financial reasons for the numbers. No one can deny this.
See post 59 for the answer. Or, at least, more clarity.

[Aloha1]

The difference: There are flu vaccinations, there are none for Covid. Does that tell us that millions of people aren’t vaccinated for the flu, get sick and die? Kinda like non mask wearers? It would be interesting to know how many of those flu deaths occurred in non vaccinated folks. Kinda like non mask folk.

The CDC in 2019 published a report on research into whether masks provided any protection from the Flu virus. The conclusion was, NO! This report can easily be extrapolated to covid. Also. with our current level of treatments, the death rate for those 70-75 is now .006 per thousand, less than the Flu.

Full disclosure: Despite the above I do wear a mask when in a store just to avoid the frowns or outright anger and because I think masks do provide a slight barrier to blocking someone else's germs and sneezes. And I do get a flu shot every year.

[Aloha1]

The US had 18% GREATER deaths during the CV period this year than the average deaths for the same period in other years. That increase can be attributed to CV . Therefore, the REAL number of CV deaths today is probably 270,000. In case someone thinks that this is not possible - compare it with other countries. Mexico is up 62% - that makes sense because Mexico does not have hospitals as good as the US. Peru has a 150% increase.

Now the clincher!!!! - Germany, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, S.Korea, and Thailand have had a ZERO INCREASE - NONE - And now their people are leading normal lives. Why? I am guessing that it is because of National Health Care. There certainly could be other factors.

Please provide your source for the first comments.

As to your second paragraph, not completely true. All have seen upticks but none of those countries totally locked down like us with the exception of South Korea and that did not help at all. FYI, life is back to normal in Sweden and they never locked down.

And I seriously doubt that nationalized health care would have contributed to ANY decrease.

[jimjamuser]

Please provide your source for the first comments.

As to your second paragraph, not completely true. All have seen upticks but none of those countries totally locked down like us with the exception of South Korea and that did not help at all. FYI, life is back to normal in Sweden and they never locked down.

And I seriously doubt that nationalized health care would have contributed to ANY decrease.
Source...NY Times morning read available free on-line.

[Number 10 GI]

The number of deaths from flu in 2018-2019 flu season was 34,200

The population of the US in 1920 was approximately 106 million vs roughly 330 million now. The only statistic that means anything is the per capita rate.

[Number 10 GI]

The US had 18% GREATER deaths during the CV period this year than the average deaths for the same period in other years. That increase can be attributed to CV . Therefore, the REAL number of CV deaths today is probably 270,000. In case someone thinks that this is not possible - compare it with other countries. Mexico is up 62% - that makes sense because Mexico does not have hospitals as good as the US. Peru has a 150% increase.

Now the clincher!!!! - Germany, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, S.Korea, and Thailand have had a ZERO INCREASE - NONE - And now their people are leading normal lives. Why? I am guessing that it is because of National Health Care. There certainly could be other factors.

You are behind times on Europe. In Germany the government is shutting down everything again due to a rise in the infection rate. Other European countries are following suit also. The governments eased travel restrictions and travelers were bringing the virus back home after their vacations.

[Decadeofdave]

I took at look at major United States wars and compared those deaths to COVID-19, no comparison, COVID-19 is much deadlier.
Vietnam lasted 116 months 55,280 Americans died 502 deaths a month
Korea lasted 37 months 36,574 Americans died, 988 deaths a month
WWII lasted 45 months 405,399 Americans died, 9,009 a month
WWI lasted 19 months 116,516 Americans died, 6,132 a month
The Civil War lasted 48 months Confederate and U.S. total deaths of 498,332, 10,382 a month
The American Revolution lasted 100 months 4,435 Americans died 44 a month
Looking at all wars from 1775 to 1991, 41,892,128 men and women fought and served our country 959,831 gave their lives. 2.29% of those who served died protecting America.
In less than 8 months there have been 7,334,054 COVID-19 cases, deaths are 208,731. 27,000 Americans are dying each month with a death rate of 2.85% Department of Veteran's Affairs, John Hopkins University & Medicine
Let's be safe out there!

You neglected to mention the yearly flu deaths for the last ........forever

[Topspinmo]

Flu deaths have been in the range of 20,000 - 60,000 a year but will probably be much lower this year with all the social distancing and mask wearing.

This virus is not in China's best interests. They need a strong dollar and weak RMB so they can continue to export their products and maintain jobs for their people. They are not stupid enough to intentionally try to kill or ruin all their customers.

And don't forget they own a trillion dollars of our debt.

So why are creating weaponized viruses?

[graciegirl]

Covid-19 Global Live Tracker - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/07/world/covid-coronavirus#german-cities-crack-down-on-nightlife-and-other-news-from-around-the-world)

[graciegirl]

So why are creating weaponized viruses?

This bears repeating;

Coronavirus Rumor Mill Rampant With Bogus News (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200205/coronavirus-rumor-mill-rampant-with-bogus-news)

[MaxCat]

Yes, very serious stuff. Be smart -- wear a mask. And demand our leaders be a little less reckless and show a little more empathy for those who have suffered and/or lost loved ones. And demand they stop discounting the older Americans who are more seriously affected by this -- just because someone is older doesn't mean their family and friends love them any less or would not be heartbroken to lose them sooner than later.

[Aloha1]

Source...NY Times morning read available free on-line.

Ohh Kaay. Let us know when you have a credible source please.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

According to the CDC ( which has not walked this back) , about 6600 people have actually died FROM Sars Cov2. The 207,000 number comes from death stats which list people who died WITH covid19, not from it. Do some data digging and look at the change in deaths from heart attacks, pneumonia , flu, etc.from 2019 to now. They are all down because hospitals are coding these patients as having covid 19 regardless of when or how they got it or whether it was even a factor in their death.

That is correct, and not wrong for several reasons:
1 - hospitals don't make up the report requirements, the states and federal government does. So stop blaming hospitals
2 - medical records have a field for cause of death. The clinical cause of death may not have the source for the cause known. With limited testing in the beginning of the pandemic, there was no way to test for covid, but the clinical observed signs pointed to covid sars 2. but at the same time, there were strokes which killed people, and there was no way to know if covid caused the stroke or not. Still now, there are some clear cut patients who didn't die of covid, but were treated with ppe because they had covid, and were reimbursed for treating that patient, regardless of the cause of death being covid or not.
3 - governments reimbursed hospitals for covid patients as having covid patients required more expense for ppe. If the government didn't reimburse for the number of covid patients, hospitals would be bankrupt, or your insurance company would raise everyones' rates astronomically. So be thankful that the government reimbursed hospitals for the extra protection needed based on the number of covid patients treated.

4 - don't assume that the medical field is all knowing at the beginning of something new. The medical field of today has benefited from years of research and trials and testing. For something new, such as a vaccine, to be safe and effective, years of testing will be needed, but in the hospital with something new such as this, they will start with something they know as presented, and treat from there, and learn from failures.

Most hospitals care, want great outcomes, and being run and manned by humans, will make mistakes. But you better believe that we have much better health care system than most of the world, but the rest of the world has caught up from our willingness to educate them in our universities, and research in our universities. Many unseen parts of the medical field have worked together in this pandemic, such that the treatments and testing today have been developed in record time, and now are more sensitive than ever.

So you can be critical of health care all you want and reporting from your own little chair, but you will be thankful if you ever have to use the medical services which continue to be perfected and they don't go bankrupt when you might need it.

sportsguy

[Bay Kid]

You are behind times on Europe. In Germany the government is shutting down everything again due to a rise in the infection rate. Other European countries are following suit also. The governments eased travel restrictions and travelers were bringing the virus back home after their vacations.

Darn we better stock up on toilet paper.

[graciegirl]

Tell that to people that died in a motorcycle accident but were listed as Covid deaths. My aunt had Alzheimer's for years and died at 90. But you guessed it. She was listed as a Covid death. Most of the people that die with Covid had other serious morbidity factors. Only about 6% of the people with Covid actually died from Covid alone. The rest had other health problems, forget about the age of those that have died. Bottom line, the numbers are hyped to create fear. Thank the media.

I just read a post on the thread about removing homes in the historic side. That post wanted us to look up "affirmatively furthering fair housing".

When I am confused by a post I generally look back on past posts.

I don't understand this one any better than the one you just posted.

Could you explain further, either or both?

[John41]

So why are creating weaponized viruses?

The virus escaped from a lab near Wuhan where they were experimenting with weaponized viruses. Some so called fact checkers say it actually came from a market in Wuhan. But that market was reopened after disinfecting and no one from that market was treated for covid 19. Draw your own conclusions.

[John41]

I just read a post on the thread about removing homes in the historic side. That post wanted us to look up "affirmatively furthering fair housing".

When I am confused by a post I generally look back on past posts.

I don't understand this one any better than the one you just posted.

Could you explain further, either or both?

Not sure you are referring to a thread I started a few days ago called “Goodbye Historic Side” that was deleted by the mods because I didn’t reveal my “source”. My “source” was documents the developer presented to the commissioners a about a week ago
allowing for rezoning single family home areas to multi family home areas. The second “source” was from a Daily Sun article last week, I think , that the developer wanted to revitalize the area north of 44. Since the developer was buying up older mobile homes the possibility of replacing a group of them with apartments seemed to be a possibility. The developer is playing his cards close to his vest, can’t blame him, but I THINK there will be some surprises. Of course the usual disclaimer “your results may vary.”

[graciegirl]

Not sure you are referring to a thread I started a few days ago called “Goodbye Historic Side” that was deleted by the mods because I didn’t reveal my “source”. My “source” was documents the developer presented to the commissioners a about a week ago
allowing for rezoning single family home areas to multi family home areas. The second “source” was from a Daily Sun article last week, I think , that the developer wanted to revitalize the area north of 44. Since the developer was buying up older mobile homes the possibility of replacing a group of them with apartments seemed to be a possibility. The developer is playing his cards close to his vest, can’t blame him, but I THINK there will be some surprises. Of course the usual disclaimer “your results may vary.”

I quoted Sloanst. Not you.

And generally speaking the developer makes decisions that enhance the Villages. Good for them...Good for us. I am very worried about some trying to "overthrow" the CDD Government form. It if ain't broke. Please don't try to fix it..

[jebartle]

Sooooo, in concluding some of the TOTV posts, don't listen to the scientist, don't mask up, we're going to die anyway, yipsters.... You're kidding me, right?