Perhaps it's time for a new approach.

[mulligan]

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[golfing eagles]

Over the past few months, there have been a substantial number of inquiries as to whether restaurants , rec centers, golf courses, town squares etc are "safe". Try looking at them from the owner/operator's perspective. If they require distancing, masks, reduced capacity, etc., then obviously the owner/operators do not consider them safe. That should be enough information to make a decision, as opposed to asking 140,000 people on an open forum to make your decision for you.

How about those are the requirements the state imposed for them to do business?????? Is that enough info for you to make a decision. DOH!!!������������������

Maybe these places are safe BECAUSE of these rules, NOT IN SPITE OF THEM

[villagetinker]

I disagree, the owner is being responsible and doing his/her best to make the place safe for their customers. I appreciate establishments that continue the safe distancing and other requirements.

[Stu from NYC]

I disagree, the owner is being responsible and doing his/her best to make the place safe for their customers. I appreciate establishments that continue the safe distancing and other requirements.

Agreed

[JoMar]

How about those are the requirements the state imposed for them to do business?????? Is that enough info for you to make a decision. DOH!!!��������������� ����

Maybe these places are safe BECAUSE of these rules, NOT IN SPITE OF THEM

Gov went to phase 3 and business threw open the doors....all restrictions are off, those that continue to keep them are management's decisions. Local governments have some flexibility but cannot go against the State's rules (which are now none). Was at Chop House tonight, all servers and employees were masked, no distancing. Had friends at the Fisherman's last week, employees and servers did not wear masks, no spacing. Go the Darrells a couple times a week in Pinellas, servers wear masks, no social distancing and they continue to sanitize the tables and condiments before the table becomes available.

My personal view is all the opening up is to generate revenue and provide employment....although the golf stuff is baffling.

[SIRE1]

Before you ask whether they are safe or not, first ask the question "what has changed since March?" The virus is STILL here, it is as contagious as ever, it is as powerful as ever, and we do not have a vaccine to prevent it. Yes, we now have some medicines that will help you in the hospital, but you only go to the hospital when you are really sick. So as long as the virus is still prevalent (and we know through testing that it still is) and as long as we don't yet have a vaccine, you are as vulnerable as you were in March and April. The only difference is now some of us are wearing masks to try and prevent it from spreading to others. But until we get a vaccine and most people are willing to take it, not much has really changed since March and April.

[pvetrano1]

Thank you !

[Mortal1]

Personally I don't understand how any of you...Americans...can allow government to dictate when, where and how to protect yourself when you go out. They can and should provide information and suggestions. Privately owned establishments can decide for themselves what ppe people should wear and if you don't like it don't go.

You all give up your freedom mighty easily considering you don't know if the gov't will return it.....

[Girlcopper]

Over the past few months, there have been a substantial number of inquiries as to whether restaurants , rec centers, golf courses, town squares etc are "safe". Try looking at them from the owner/operator's perspective. If they require distancing, masks, reduced capacity, etc., then obviously the owner/operators do not consider them safe. That should be enough information to make a decision, as opposed to asking 140,000 people on an open forum to make your decision for you.
How about they are following the mandate and should be applauded for that. People complain when the mandates ARENT followed and now feel the places are unsafe because they do follow them. Damned if you do, damned if you dont. Typical

[MandoMan]

Gov went to phase 3 and business threw open the doors....all restrictions are off, those that continue to keep them are management's decisions. Local governments have some flexibility but cannot go against the State's rules (which are now none). Was at Chop House tonight, all servers and employees were masked, no distancing. Had friends at the Fisherman's last week, employees and servers did not wear masks, no spacing. Go the Darrells a couple times a week in Pinellas, servers wear masks, no social distancing and they continue to sanitize the tables and condiments before the table becomes available.

My personal view is all the opening up is to generate revenue and provide employment....although the golf stuff is baffling.

That’s good to know, because now I won’t eat in those places. No mask, no gloves, including in the kitchen, no social distancing, no custom from this customer

[Toymeister]

The virus is STILL here, it is as contagious as ever, it is as powerful as ever, and we do not have a vaccine to prevent it.

Since the dawn of time there is only one cure for any virus, exposure. Either by exposure to a vaccine containing the virus or the virus itself.

Most polls show 50% of Americans will not get a vaccine shot.

Remember "flattening the curve", it has silently morphed into no normal commerce until a 'cure' can be found, produced, distributed, and ultimately required by a omnipresent Government.


There are states which are well on this path, I am grateful Florida is not one of them.

[FromNY]

Controlled Exposure: a concept someone shared. You know your comorbities. You know the strength and weakness of your immune system. Expose yourself in what ever way You feel safe. Like the recovering Alcoholic. Is it safe to go to a bar or safer to go to an ice cream shop. A compulsive eater. Is a buffet safe? Or a restricted menu.
Those who have issues will wear masks wash hands stay healthy in their routines. We cannot and should not rely on others. Yes mask is suppose to be for others. In my mind mask is for Me to stay safe from You. I know my current test results. I know my health issues. I do not know yours. I will determine where and when I allow myself to be exposed to any disease. None of us ever lived this before. It is still uncharted territory. As far as resturants there are health standards that were in place long before Covid-19. Eating out always has a calculated risk, Hepatitis, food poison, allergic reactions. Bugs, hair in food. Covid is on the low end. How clean is any kitchen?
Mingling in Town Square sure risks are there. And again if you are someone who can easily get sick do consider how much and what type of Exposure you want. You are in control of You. Stay safe be kind.

[Marathon Man]

Personally I don't understand how any of you...Americans...can allow government to dictate when, where and how to protect yourself when you go out. They can and should provide information and suggestions. Privately owned establishments can decide for themselves what ppe people should wear and if you don't like it don't go.

You all give up your freedom mighty easily considering you don't know if the gov't will return it.....

So, no speed limits?

[Jacob85]

I just don’t understand opening everything up when nothing has changed with the virus except more cases

[Beyond The Wall]

If your afraid, stay home or better yet , sell and move to a blue state where they will make you stay home.
This Wuhan flu is so smart it won’t affect you in Walmart but it will in a gym where you are trying to be healthy. Lock down in NYC worked so well they are doing it again. Churches will be next to close.
2 weeks pause is now in 7 th month and still the China Virus is here. Connect the dots and burn your mask:

[Robertnavarre70]

It's not about 'protecting yourself' when you go out and wear a mask...you are protecting others FROM YOU in case you are carrying the virus. So when I see people in stores or going in/out of restaurants and not wearing a mask....or worse, wearing one going into Walmart and then taking it off....I see people who are likely careless about the contacts they make away from there who therefor may be spreaders and they don't care that they might be infecting me. So sure, it's a personal decision about whether or not to wear a mask or socially distance, but the decision impacts more than just the person making it.

[diamond2005]

If you were from the northern states, it WAS NOT “Union by choice”. You would
not have been employed at that company!

[Bill1701]

It's not about 'protecting yourself' when you go out and wear a mask...you are protecting others FROM YOU in case you are carrying the virus. So when I see people in stores or going in/out of restaurants and not wearing a mask....or worse, wearing one going into Walmart and then taking it off....I see people who are likely careless about the contacts they make away from there who therefor may be spreaders and they don't care that they might be infecting me. So sure, it's a personal decision about whether or not to wear a mask or socially distance, but the decision impacts more than just the person making it.

Many people are not going to wear a mask unless it is required. That is human nature. As far as infecting you, there is no reason for you to go out. Everything can be delivered to your door.

[Topspinmo]

So, no speed limits?


There are no speed limits , just fines if you get caught going too fast. It there was speed limits then there would be no penalty or income for states.

[EdFNJ]

Before you ask whether they are safe or not, first ask the question "what has changed since March?" Election day is closer.

[rogerk]

It should be up to each of us to determine our own level of security or safety they are comfortable with. It should NOT be the government's responsibility to do more than ADVISE NOT MANDATE. Establishment owners have to consider their own comfort level and the level of liability they are comfortable accepting. Once again, it should be individual responsibility.

Don't be intimidated by ignorance and fear.

Gov went to phase 3 and business threw open the doors....all restrictions are off, those that continue to keep them are management's decisions. Local governments have some flexibility but cannot go against the State's rules (which are now none). Was at Chop House tonight, all servers and employees were masked, no distancing. Had friends at the Fisherman's last week, employees and servers did not wear masks, no spacing. Go the Darrells a couple times a week in Pinellas, servers wear masks, no social distancing and they continue to sanitize the tables and condiments before the table becomes available.

My personal view is all the opening up is to generate revenue and provide employment....although the golf stuff is baffling.

[Curtisbwp]

Union by choice is your rite.
But i saw what the union did to the twinky and cup cake drivers, they all lost their jobs due to the stubborn union officials.

[drcar]

Gov went to phase 3 and business threw open the doors....all restrictions are off, those that continue to keep them are management's decisions. Local governments have some flexibility but cannot go against the State's rules (which are now none). Was at Chop House tonight, all servers and employees were masked, no distancing. Had friends at the Fisherman's last week, employees and servers did not wear masks, no spacing. Go the Darrells a couple times a week in Pinellas, servers wear masks, no social distancing and they continue to sanitize the tables and condiments before the table becomes available.

My personal view is all the opening up is to generate revenue and provide employment....although the golf stuff is baffling.

Why is golf stuff baffling?

[pawspmd]

What if there is No vaccine....What will you do?

[jimjamuser]

Personally I don't understand how any of you...Americans...can allow government to dictate when, where and how to protect yourself when you go out. They can and should provide information and suggestions. Privately owned establishments can decide for themselves what ppe people should wear and if you don't like it don't go.

You all give up your freedom mighty easily considering you don't know if the gov't will return it.....
Seat belts and speed bumps !!!!!!!

[LoisR]

Personally I don't understand how any of you...Americans...can allow government to dictate when, where and how to protect yourself when you go out. They can and should provide information and suggestions. Privately owned establishments can decide for themselves what ppe people should wear and if you don't like it don't go.

You all give up your freedom mighty easily considering you don't know if the gov't will return it.....
You are a perfect example of why the Govt. had to impose effective rules. Everyone's safety has a higher value than your pleasure. American? Actions speak louder than words.

[TOTV Team]

Thread closed - going political.