Chitty Chatty Bridge, What Were They Thinking?

[jacksonbrown]

Watching the latest of Don's videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Se50qkp--c&feature=youtu.be), I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to alleviate?

As a walker / runner / cyclist, with many years sharing space with carts and cars, here is my take.

On a flat roadway / sidewalk

1. Walkers travel at 2 to 5 mph.
2. Runners travel at 6 to 10 mph
3. Cyclists travel at 8 to 18 mph
4. Carts travel at 20+ mph

So what happens at the top of the grade when the four groups merge together to travel across the bridge?

Answer, the walkers walk at 5 mph, the runners run at 8 mph, the cyclists cycle at 14 mph and all the carts line up behind them, even though the cart drivers are used to traveling 20 mph.

Hopefully, all the cart drivers will be abundantly patient and slow to 5 mph. The carts will not attempt to pass the walkers / runners / cyclists. Yeah right!

Can you say Morgan and Morgan?

[ureout]

does anyone know the width of the 2 lanes on the bridge?

[Stu from NYC]

Watching the latest of Don's videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Se50qkp--c&feature=youtu.be), I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to alleviate?

As a walker / runner / cyclist, with many years sharing space with carts and cars, here is my take.

On a flat roadway / sidewalk

1. Walkers travel at 2 to 5 mph.
2. Runners travel at 6 to 10 mph
3. Cyclists travel at 8 to 18 mph
4. Carts travel at 20+ mph

So what happens at the top of the grade when the four groups merge together to travel across the bridge?

Answer, the walkers walk at 5 mph, the runners run at 8 mph, the cyclists cycle at 14 mph and all the carts line up behind them, even though the cart drivers are used to traveling 20 mph.

Hopefully, all the cart drivers will be abundantly patient and slow to 5 mph. The carts will not attempt to pass the walkers / runners / cyclists. Yeah right!

Can you say Morgan and Morgan?

Actually it is worse as the average walker is more like 2-3 mph.

[8notes]

Watching the latest of Don's videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Se50qkp--c&feature=youtu.be), I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to alleviate?

As a walker / runner / cyclist, with many years sharing space with carts and cars, here is my take.

On a flat roadway / sidewalk

1. Walkers travel at 2 to 5 mph.
2. Runners travel at 6 to 10 mph
3. Cyclists travel at 8 to 18 mph
4. Carts travel at 20+ mph

So what happens at the top of the grade when the four groups merge together to travel across the bridge?

Answer, the walkers walk at 5 mph, the runners run at 8 mph, the cyclists cycle at 14 mph and all the carts line up behind them, even though the cart drivers are used to traveling 20 mph.

Hopefully, all the cart drivers will be abundantly patient and slow to 5 mph. The carts will not attempt to pass the walkers / runners / cyclists. Yeah right!

Can you say Morgan and Morgan?

Anything to save a few bucks. You are correct. How shortsighted, and dangerous.

[Two Bills]

I was told by my barbers gardener, that the walkway to the top was for skiers to use when it snows here in the winter!:icon_wink:

[Stu from NYC]

I was told by my barbers gardener, that the walkway to the top was for skiers to use when it snows here in the winter!:icon_wink:

Wow we are new and thought we could never use our skis here.

Now to find someone to wax our skis.

[mowdie]

Is the Fl Turnpike bridge the same design?

[wisbad1]

Guess you can stay off the bridge, problem solved!

[Altavia]

A sidewalk at ground level to a new crosswalk or the light at Morse/44 would aleviate the risk.

A crosswalk the a recently added at Everglades to allow walkers to bypass two tunnels.

[justjim]

Well, we will see for ourselves as we drive the Chitty Chatty bridge in a few days. Its rather spectacular to see from a distance and drive under on State Route 44.

[vintageogauge]

I doubt that there will be many people walking on that bridge, maybe at the beginning but it will quickly fade. I also don't see it having heavy bike and golf car traffic, it will be used by both but doubtful there will be any "traffic jams" as there will be plenty of space for the cars to pass the bikes. For the next few months only those living in Chitty Chatty and Bradford will have easy access to the bridge, even walkers from west of the Turnpike will have to find a place to park their cars before starting their journey. As far as those living north, after they find there is really nothing much to see or do over there at this time they won't come back until the golf courses are open or at such time that they can cross the turnpike.

[Topspinmo]

Watching the latest of Don's videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Se50qkp--c&feature=youtu.be), I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to alleviate?

As a walker / runner / cyclist, with many years sharing space with carts and cars, here is my take.

On a flat roadway / sidewalk

1. Walkers travel at 2 to 5 mph.
2. Runners travel at 6 to 10 mph
3. Cyclists travel at 8 to 18 mph
4. Carts travel at 20+ mph

So what happens at the top of the grade when the four groups merge together to travel across the bridge?

Answer, the walkers walk at 5 mph, the runners run at 8 mph, the cyclists cycle at 14 mph and all the carts line up behind them, even though the cart drivers are used to traveling 20 mph.

Hopefully, all the cart drivers will be abundantly patient and slow to 5 mph. The carts will not attempt to pass the walkers / runners / cyclists. Yeah right!

Can you say Morgan and Morgan?

solution? Drive you’re car to the other side of the golf cart bridge, then park and start walking, or remove you bike from car and start riding. I don’t know how much that bridge costs? But you can bet it not cheap. Be glad got golf cart bridge connection the lower section.

[Topspinmo]

Anything to save a few bucks. You are correct. How shortsighted, and dangerous.

Few hundred thousand bucks?

[Stu from NYC]

Few hundred thousand bucks?

or even more

[Indydealmaker]

Anything to save a few bucks. You are correct. How shortsighted, and dangerous.
Try modifying speed to match traffic and road conditions. Tried the bridge. No big deal.

[Brwne]

Watching the latest of Don's videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Se50qkp--c&feature=youtu.be), I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to alleviate?

As a walker / runner / cyclist, with many years sharing space with carts and cars, here is my take.

On a flat roadway / sidewalk

1. Walkers travel at 2 to 5 mph.
2. Runners travel at 6 to 10 mph
3. Cyclists travel at 8 to 18 mph
4. Carts travel at 20+ mph

So what happens at the top of the grade when the four groups merge together to travel across the bridge?

Answer, the walkers walk at 5 mph, the runners run at 8 mph, the cyclists cycle at 14 mph and all the carts line up behind them, even though the cart drivers are used to traveling 20 mph.

Hopefully, all the cart drivers will be abundantly patient and slow to 5 mph. The carts will not attempt to pass the walkers / runners / cyclists. Yeah right!

Can you say Morgan and Morgan?

The north side of Chitty Chatty is shorter and steeper than the South side. I wonder if the walkway was added for those cyclists that would have difficulty riding up the steeper north side...

[Goldwingnut]

does anyone know the width of the 2 lanes on the bridge?

The bridge width is 19 ft 4 inches according to the attached drawing. If you deduct a few feet for curbing and structural members it is reasonable to assume that the travelable deck area is about 16 ft, or the same width as the standard multi-modal path south of CR466. The bridge at Lake Sumter Landing and the bridge over 27/441 have a 10 ft wide golf cart lane. (I'll know the exact deck width tomorrow when I measure it.)

With a little bit of caution and COURTESY BY ALL there should be no problems with walkers, biker, and golf carts using the path.

[rlcooper70]

You are so correct ... and isn't it surprising that the Morses didn't anticipate this issue?

[M2inOR]

I think the bigger problem might be exiting the ramp on the north side. All bridge traffic must turn right onto Kristine Way, and then left into the Citizens First parking lot to get to the pathway If they wish to go to Rohan rec center or other points north in The Villages. Those wishing to go all the way to Brownwood will have a long ride or walk, too.

[clwahlstrom]

Depending on the temperature outside, depends on how fast the walker is walking.

[McGyver9]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03313/roller_ski_3313475b.jpg

[8notes]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03313/roller_ski_3313475b.jpg

Its dangerous to have carts, bikes and pedestrians who all travel at different speeds, sharing the same space.

[La lamy]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:I was told by my barbers gardener, that the walkway to the top was for skiers to use when it snows here in the winter!:icon_wink:

[Marathon Man]

Watching the latest of Don's videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Se50qkp--c&feature=youtu.be), I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to alleviate?

As a walker / runner / cyclist, with many years sharing space with carts and cars, here is my take.

On a flat roadway / sidewalk

1. Walkers travel at 2 to 5 mph.
2. Runners travel at 6 to 10 mph
3. Cyclists travel at 8 to 18 mph
4. Carts travel at 20+ mph

So what happens at the top of the grade when the four groups merge together to travel across the bridge?

Answer, the walkers walk at 5 mph, the runners run at 8 mph, the cyclists cycle at 14 mph and all the carts line up behind them, even though the cart drivers are used to traveling 20 mph.

Hopefully, all the cart drivers will be abundantly patient and slow to 5 mph. The carts will not attempt to pass the walkers / runners / cyclists. Yeah right!

Can you say Morgan and Morgan?

This assumes that the speed limit will be 20. What is the speed limit crossing the 441 bridge?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I am of the opinion that sooner or later a walker is going to get killed or seriously injured walking on the "multi modal" paths. When that happens I wouldn't be surprised to see the victim or their family sue the Villages for encouraging people to walk on these paths. I'm all for personal responsibility but they way lawyers and courts view things like this I believe that the developer have left themselves in a precarious position.

People walk on these paths all the time because they have a right to. IMHO, you are taking your life in your hands by exercising your right. There are several blind corners and the brakes on golf carts are not all that great. They are not meant to stop a cart going 20+mph. With all of the places to walk, why would someone choose to walk where 600 pound vehicles with bad brakes and elderly drivers are zipping along at 20+MPH?


The Villages should call these "Golf Cart Paths" and either strongly suggest that people not walk on them or ban walking on them all together.

[8notes]

I am of the opinion that sooner or later a walker is going to get killed or seriously injured walking on the "multi modal" paths. When that happens I wouldn't be surprised to see the victim or their family sue the Villages for encouraging people to walk on these paths. I'm all for personal responsibility but they way lawyers and courts view things like this I believe that the developer have left themselves in a precarious position.

People walk on these paths all the time because they have a right to. IMHO, you are taking your life in your hands by exercising your right. There are several blind corners and the brakes on golf carts are not all that great. They are not meant to stop a cart going 20+mph. With all of the places to walk, why would someone choose to walk where 600 pound vehicles with bad brakes and elderly drivers are zipping along at 20+MPH?


The Villages should call these "Golf Cart Paths" and either strongly suggest that people not walk on them or ban walking on them all together.

I suspect when these "multi-modal" paths were first created, golf carts were only going about 13 mph. Now, of course, we have higher speed golf carts, and the difference in speeds of the pedestrians, cyclists and golf carts is larger, and more dangerous. I really think they need separate walking trails. Of course, that would cost more money to build.

[mjohn1203]

I doubt that there will be many people walking on that bridge, maybe at the beginning but it will quickly fade. I also don't see it having heavy bike and golf car traffic, it will be used by both but doubtful there will be any "traffic jams" as there will be plenty of space for the cars to pass the bikes. For the next few months only those living in Chitty Chatty and Bradford will have easy access to the bridge, even walkers from west of the Turnpike will have to find a place to park their cars before starting their journey. As far as those living north, after they find there is really nothing much to see or do over there at this time they won't come back until the golf courses are open or at such time that they can cross the turnpike.

So if we live in Fenney or one of the other villages south of 44, we do not have golf cart access to the Chitty Chatty bridge? When will we get access?

[Lottoguy]

There will hardly be anyone walking over that bridge. Which is the same case with the bridge over 441.

[Bill1701]

So if we live in Fenney or one of the other villages south of 44, we do not have golf cart access to the Chitty Chatty bridge? When will we get access?
If you live south of the turnpike you won't have golf cart access until those bridges are finished, probably sometime next year. The west end should have access sooner as that bridge is already in place.

[Tom M]

This is an opportunity for someone to set up a small business with a cart (4 seater with partition for safety) that can transport walkers/joggers across the bridge and ramps for a fee.

[joseppe]

I am of the opinion that sooner or later a walker is going to get killed or seriously injured walking on the "multi modal" paths. When that happens I wouldn't be surprised to see the victim or their family sue the Villages for encouraging people to walk on these paths. I'm all for personal responsibility but they way lawyers and courts view things like this I believe that the developer have left themselves in a precarious position.

People walk on these paths all the time because they have a right to. IMHO, you are taking your life in your hands by exercising your right. There are several blind corners and the brakes on golf carts are not all that great. They are not meant to stop a cart going 20+mph. With all of the places to walk, why would someone choose to walk where 600 pound vehicles with bad brakes and elderly drivers are zipping along at 20+MPH?


The Villages should call these "Golf Cart Paths" and either strongly suggest that people not walk on them or ban walking on them all together.

I agree that Walkers on Multi-Modal paths are in danger. The path through Marsh Bend and Deluna starting at Everglades Rec center is full of Walkers and bicycles. Some days driving that path in a Golf Cart is very frustrating. Two carts CANNOT fit when there are bicycles and walkers preset. Someone has to give way to the other side. I have had walkers virtually walk right into the path of my golf cart. When the Water Lily bridge over the Turnpike opens this path will be full of golf cart traffic and there will be problems.

[kendi]

Watching the latest of Don's videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Se50qkp--c&feature=youtu.be), I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to all

As a walker / runner / cyclist, with many years sharing space with carts and cars, here is my take.

On a flat roadway / sidewalk

1. Walkers travel at 2 to 5 mph.
2. Runners travel at 6 to 10 mph
3. Cyclists travel at 8 to 18 mph
4. Carts travel at 20+ mph

So what happens at the top of the grade when the four groups merge together to travel across the bridge?

Answer, the walkers walk at 5 mph, the runners run at 8 mph, the cyclists cycle at 14 mph and all the carts line up behind them, even though the cart drivers are used to traveling 20 mph.

Hopefully, all the cart drivers will be abundantly patient and slow to 5 mph. The carts will not attempt to pass the walkers / runners / cyclists. Yeah right!

Can you say Morgan and Morgan?

Why don't you ask them what they were thinking rather than complaining to us.

[Topspinmo]

I suspect when these "multi-modal" paths were first created, golf carts were only going about 13 mph. Now, of course, we have higher speed golf carts, and the difference in speeds of the pedestrians, cyclists and golf carts is larger, and more dangerous. I really think they need separate walking trails. Of course, that would cost more money to build.

I suspect when the golf cart paths was built the were golf cart paths. I walk paths often and have no problems? Why? Cause at first sign of any congestion I step way off the path, thus taking myself out of any danger.

[Topspinmo]

I agree that Walkers on Multi-Modal paths are in danger. The path through Marsh Bend and Deluna starting at Everglades Rec center is full of Walkers and bicycles. Some days driving that path in a Golf Cart is very frustrating. Two carts CANNOT fit when there are bicycles and walkers preset. Someone has to give way to the other side. I have had walkers virtually walk right into the path of my golf cart. When the Water Lily bridge over the Turnpike opens this path will be full of golf cart traffic and there will be problems.

They put themselves danger? Just step out of the way. Not that hard. The problem when you get couple yaking and not paying attention. They are the ones in danger.

[Bogie Shooter]

Been here almost 20 years. I do not recall an instance of a walker being hit by a golf cart. Somebody must be doing thing right.

[NoMoSno]

Been here almost 20 years. I do not recall an instance of a walker being hit by a golf cart. Somebody must be doing thing right.
There have been many instances.
One was Joan Colonna who died from her injuries 12/30/2018.

[EdFNJ]

Its dangerous to have carts, bikes and pedestrians who all travel at different speeds, sharing the same space. That's why God invented eyes to look around and brakes to slow down carts and bikes when those damned selfish people are sharing the MULTI-MODAL paths (they are NOT GOLF CART paths). That's also why God created DAN NEWLIN. He was planning ahead. :D

[Marathon Man]

There have been many instances.
One was Joan Colonna who died from her injuries 12/30/2018.

That did not happen on an MMP. She was walking in the diamond lane on Sunset Blvd.

I also can not remember a walker being struck on an MMP. Let alone many. I can remember at least on bike rider.

[NoMoSno]

That did not happen on an MMP. She was walking in the diamond lane on Sunset Blvd.

I also can not remember a walker being struck on an MMP. Let alone many. I can remember at least on bike rider.
Diamond lanes are considered multi-use lanes.
From the sheriff:
"Within the Town of Lady Lake, Avenida Central, Del Mar Drive, Rio Grand Avenue and Chula Vista Avenue all have side lanes with the diamond painted on them. These are designated as PED or pedestrian lanes. It is a common misunderstanding that these lanes are dedicated for golf cart use only. These are considered “Shared-Use” lanes since pedestrians, bicycles and golf carts may utilize them."
https://www.(villages)-news.com/2018/09/23/multi-modal-paths-are-not-only-for-golf-carts/

[mgkw1]

The lower section ????? Only the 2 NEWEST villages are connected. The rest are still the rotten stepchildren

[golf2140]

Someone had mentioned that the walkway could be for bike riders to walk their bike up since it's such a sharp incline.

[b0bd0herty]

So much for The Villages much touted "accessibility" for those South of 44 eh? ;)

[birdiebill]

I am of the opinion that sooner or later a walker is going to get killed or seriously injured walking on the "multi modal" paths. When that happens I wouldn't be surprised to see the victim or their family sue the Villages for encouraging people to walk on these paths. I'm all for personal responsibility but they way lawyers and courts view things like this I believe that the developer have left themselves in a precarious position.

People walk on these paths all the time because they have a right to. IMHO, you are taking your life in your hands by exercising your right. There are several blind corners and the brakes on golf carts are not all that great. They are not meant to stop a cart going 20+mph. With all of the places to walk, why would someone choose to walk where 600 pound vehicles with bad brakes and elderly drivers are zipping along at 20+MPH?


The Villages should call these "Golf Cart Paths" and either strongly suggest that people not walk on them or ban walking on them all together.

I suspect if a golf cart driver runs into a pedestrian on the MULTI MODAL PATH the golf cart driver will be declared at fault. Just because a cart can go 20 mph or faster does not mean it is appropriate to always drive that fast. If I am driving my cart and come to a curve with limited visibility, I slow down. If I am driving early morning or late evening with limited visibility, I slow down to whatever speed makes visibility safe. If I meet pedestrians in the split part of the MMP, I slow down even though most will step off the path. While driving my cart, if I come up behind a bicyclist on the split portion of the MMP, I slow down and follow him until the path opens back up. No need to hurry and risk injuring someone.

Pedestrians who do not carry some type of illumination in the dark are taking on risk also.

The MMP's are for all forms of transportation from carts, to scooters, to roller blades, to bicycles, to Segways. We all have an obligation to share the MMP and to proceed safely.

[jarodrig]

So much for The Villages much touted "accessibility" for those South of 44 eh? ;)

There will be..... they didn’t “Promise” when ,.,,,,,,,

In fact, they didn’t promise ANYTHING !!!! Any dates given to you were nothing but “estimates” as to when things would be done.....

GoldWingNut just proved what I say when he offered $10,000 to anyone who could provide “proof” , in writing, that their amenity fees would not go up !!

Same applies to anything else ! The Developer did not “promise” anyone that there would be connectivity on XYZ date !!

Get over it, people !!

[CoachKandSportsguy]

let time i checked, pedestrians had the right of way from any motorized vehicle, so stop whining and slow down.

[Joe V.]

let time i checked, pedestrians had the right of way from any motorized vehicle, so stop whining and slow down.

Maybe you should check again. Bet you find it in not as clear cut as you think. Lots of exceptions showed up from my google search. Especially if the pathway is on private property.

[kcrazorbackfan]

So if we live in Fenney or one of the other villages south of 44, we do not have golf cart access to the Chitty Chatty bridge? When will we get access?

Next year......

[kcrazorbackfan]

I suspect when the golf cart paths was built the were golf cart paths. I walk paths often and have no problems? Why? Cause at first sign of any congestion I step way off the path, thus taking myself out of any danger.

I do that also but we have so many people here that think they’re invincible or have the mentality of a 4 year old and want to play chicken with the golf carts.

[Topspinmo]

let time i checked, pedestrians had the right of way from any motorized vehicle, so stop whining and slow down.

So you’re saying they can step out in front of bus or train and they have the right away? So, I blunder out cross 441 anywhere I want cause I have the right away?

[mrfixit]

Watching the latest of Don's videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Se50qkp--c&feature=youtu.be), I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to alleviate?



In My Humble Opinion....
the lane in question is perhaps for repair and maintenance crews
to access their worksite..... and ..
not completely block off a lane while doing their jobs.

[thevillager1988]

A sidewalk at ground level to a new crosswalk or the light at Morse/44 would aleviate the risk.

A crosswalk the a recently added at Everglades to allow walkers to bypass two tunnels.

Solution-minded people rock! The tunnels and bridges don't feel safe to me when on foot (walking or running). Love the new crossing at Everglades. When on foot, we have the option to use the crosswalks.

[Dorebea]

I think the bigger problem might be exiting the ramp on the north side. All bridge traffic must turn right onto Kristine Way, and then left into the Citizens First parking lot to get to the pathway If they wish to go to Rohan rec center or other points north in The Villages. Those wishing to go all the way to Brownwood will have a long ride or walk, too.
A ‘ Michigan-Left’! Standard turning pattern for many of us. 😂😂

[stadry]

always thought about that - right of way when i rode beemers,,, thought it would be a good epitaph - ' legally he had the right of way but the truck was bigger ! '

[Doro22]

When I saw “What were they thinking?” I thought they meant the name”Chitty Chatty”. I was talking to my son who has visited here many times & casually mentioned “Chitty Chatty”. He said you’re kidding...right. I replied : No that’s the real name. Where did they get that name?

[CWGUY]

When I saw “What were they thinking?” I thought they meant the name”Chitty Chatty”. I was talking to my son who has visited here many times & casually mentioned “Chitty Chatty”. He said you’re kidding...right. I replied : No that’s the real name. Where did they get that name?

Maybe the Chitty Chatty Preserve where it is located. :oops:

[Rodneysblue]

The walkers and the runners will hitch a ride in the golf carts and the bikes will grab on for a tow. 😂 Watching the latest of Don's videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Se50qkp--c&feature=youtu.be), I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to alleviate?

As a walker / runner / cyclist, with many years sharing space with carts and cars, here is my take.

On a flat roadway / sidewalk

1. Walkers travel at 2 to 5 mph.
2. Runners travel at 6 to 10 mph
3. Cyclists travel at 8 to 18 mph
4. Carts travel at 20+ mph

So what happens at the top of the grade when the four groups merge together to travel across the bridge?

Answer, the walkers walk at 5 mph, the runners run at 8 mph, the cyclists cycle at 14 mph and all the carts line up behind them, even though the cart drivers are used to traveling 20 mph.

Hopefully, all the cart drivers will be abundantly patient and slow to 5 mph. The carts will not attempt to pass the walkers / runners / cyclists. Yeah right!

Can you say Morgan and Morgan?

[VApeople]

“Chitty Chatty” Where did they get that name?

I think it was the name of an Indian chief who lived nearby.

You can usually tell a name is Native American or Japanese if it has 4 or 5 syllables, each one being consonant-vowel or just a vowel. Like Osceola.

[CWGUY]

I think it was the name of an Indian chief who lived nearby.

You can usually tell a name is Native American or Japanese if it has 4 or 5 syllables, each one being consonant-vowel or just a vowel. Like Osceola.

We moved here in 2004 from Canandaigua. An Indian (Native American) word for "Land of high taxes" :icon_wink:

[vintageogauge]

Well, did anyone go over and try out the bridge? I was surprised that there was simply a little side post about it being open in the DS today, no ribbon cutting, no fanfare whatsoever. Guess it was not all that important.

[graciegirl]

Introducing The Village of Chitty Chatty - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp57za4_7OQ)

[vintageogauge]

But very little in the DS. When they opened the Putt and Play there was a huge opening including local officials, members of the family, handouts, etc. That bridge was a pretty big project, not that I would have attended but just surprised that it was on the quiet side. As far as YouTube, I only go their looking for DIY instructions, would not have thought to go there for a local opening.

[Marathon Man]

Well, did anyone go over and try out the bridge? I was surprised that there was simply a little side post about it being open in the DS today, no ribbon cutting, no fanfare whatsoever. Guess it was not all that important.

Or, maybe it's more important to avoid gatherings during a pandemic.

[vintageogauge]

Or, maybe it's more important to avoid gatherings during a pandemic.

Sort of like bringing back entertainment to the squares LOL.

[graciegirl]

Sort of like bringing back entertainment to the squares LOL.

Entertainment on the squares is paid for and controlled by the merchants on the squares. Building and construction is a whole other entity.

[twoplanekid]

I crossed the bridge today to observe its fine for golf cart traffic. All others I would recommend taking a different path!

[Number 10 GI]

Or, maybe it's more important to avoid gatherings during a pandemic.

Yep! If there had been a big event there would have been posts on here wanting to know what they were thinking about. Having a large gathering during a pandemic, how thoughtless and stupid, etc., etc.

[Marathon Man]

Yep! If there had been a big event there would have been posts on here wanting to know what they were thinking about. Having a large gathering during a pandemic, how thoughtless and stupid, etc., etc.

Yep.

[nyjets53]

Chitty Chatty - wasn’t that the name of Cindy’s doll?

[PugMom]

I suspect when the golf cart paths was built the were golf cart paths. I walk paths often and have no problems? Why? Cause at first sign of any congestion I step way off the path, thus taking myself out of any danger.

you know, that just might work!:icon_wink:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I suspect if a golf cart driver runs into a pedestrian on the MULTI MODAL PATH the golf cart driver will be declared at fault. Just because a cart can go 20 mph or faster does not mean it is appropriate to always drive that fast. If I am driving my cart and come to a curve with limited visibility, I slow down. If I am driving early morning or late evening with limited visibility, I slow down to whatever speed makes visibility safe. If I meet pedestrians in the split part of the MMP, I slow down even though most will step off the path. While driving my cart, if I come up behind a bicyclist on the split portion of the MMP, I slow down and follow him until the path opens back up. No need to hurry and risk injuring someone.

Pedestrians who do not carry some type of illumination in the dark are taking on risk also.

The MMP's are for all forms of transportation from carts, to scooters, to roller blades, to bicycles, to Segways. We all have an obligation to share the MMP and to proceed safely.

Unfortunately, you are correct. So the person killed while walking on a multi modal path will be able to have "I was right" inscribed on their gravestone.

Speaking of bicyclists by the way, I was once behind a group of about ten bicyclists who were traveling about 13 mph. I followed them slowly until it was safe to pass. When I attempted to pass, several of them moved to their left to block my way. This happened three or four time until finally they took a different route. Talk about thinking that they are entitled.

[bilcon]

It's a golf cart bridge. If you are a runner, walker or bike rider, you can go down to the corner of Morse and Rt 44 and cross at the light. Problem solved. You also get a little more exercise.

[JackRussell]

My problem with the bridges is aesthetic. The Villages' logo is centered on the bridge, but the bridge is not centered on the highway. That throws the signage off-center to the thousands of drivers passing by every day, and it was for that reason the signage was created.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

It seems that a lot of people biked , walked and ran over the bridge including friends of mine . I will be doing so today, I wonder if golf cart drivers who feel it’s unsafe for others to try have an agenda Hmmmmm

[txfan]

When I saw “What were they thinking?” I thought they meant the name”Chitty Chatty”. I was talking to my son who has visited here many times & casually mentioned “Chitty Chatty”. He said you’re kidding...right. I replied : No that’s the real name. Where did they get that name?

Chittee Yoholo, Seminole

Florida Online Journals

For the people that have lived here all their lives, it's the name of the water that runs under Highway 468.

For those who make fun of Chitty chatty, learn the history of the Native Americans who called the area home. Chittee Chattee was an Indian Chief who lived here. Translated from the Miccosoukee language, it means Red Snake. (or "The snake that makes noise")

Original spelling is Chittee Chattee and the pond was named after an Indian Chief in that area. The translation means "Red Snake."


From History of the Indian tribes of North America

Chittee Yoholo, Seminole | Access Genealogy (https://accessgenealogy.com/native/chittee-yoholo-seminole.htm)

Chittee Yoholo, or The snake that makes a noise, is a Seminole of some note, although but twenty-eight years of age.

He was born in Florida, in that region of inaccessible swamps, which our gallant troops have found to be anything but a land of flowers.

His complexion, which is of a darker hue than that of our other Indians, marks his descent; and there is an expression of fierceness in the countenance indicative of a race living in perpetual hostility.

Such has been the history of the Seminoles, who are, as their name indicates, wanderers, or outcasts, from other tribes. A few restless individuals, who separated themselves from the southern nations, either from dislike against the modified habits introduced into those communities by their contact with the whites, or from impatience of the restraints even of savage life, strayed off to the wilds of Florida, and connected themselves with some feeble remnants of the ancient population, who lingered in that remote region.

While that province remained in possession of the Spaniards, the jealousy of that government, as well as the peculiar character of the country, and the savage nature of the people, rendered it comparatively inaccessible to American curiosity or enterprise; and we knew little of the savage tribes within its limits, except from their occasional depredations upon our frontier, and from the protection afforded by them to runaway slaves from the southern states.

These evils became enhanced during the late war with Great Britain, and one of the chief inducements to the purchase of Florida, by our government. was the hope of either taming or driving away such troublesome neighbors.

We merely touch the subject in this place for the purpose of showing what we supposed to be the main cause of the ferocious and obstinate character of the hostilities that have recently rendered that region a scene of wide-spread desolation. In the history of wars of aggravated malevolence, it will generally be found that some ancient grudge, festering in the passions of the frontier population, gives a secret rancor to the dispute which it could scarcely have attained from the political differences that are alone apparent to the public eye.

The first occasion on which Chittee Yoholo was engaged, was when General Gaines was surrounded by the Seminoles; he was one of the hostile party, and declares that he fought hard, and tried his best to kill the white men. Soon after, he was engaged in another fight, in which he killed a white man, and taking the scalp, he carried it to the council-house of his tribe, and threw it at the feet of an aged warrior thus invoking the approbation of one who was experienced in the wiles and dangers of warfare.

The men of the village assembled, danced all night, recounted their recent adventures, especially that which they were now celebrating, and, instead of honoring the lion of the occasion with a toast, and requiring a speech in return, as we should have done, they gave him a new name, Chewasti Emathla, Emathla meaning, next to the warrior, and Chewasti being a kind of surname, thrown in for euphony.

After that, he killed and scalped another white man, carried in the bloody trophy, and again the warriors danced in honor of his success; and now they called him Olocta Tuscane Hadja, which means, The blue crazy warrior; and again, on bringing in another scalp, they danced round it all night, and called him Olocta Tustennugge, The Blue warrior.

All these were stealthy feats performed in the night. The Indians regard such with peculiar gratification, from the high estimate, which they place on achievements conducted with cunning, and won without exposure.

He was constantly out, and usually without companions, stealing upon the sleeping inmates of the cabin, or waylaying the straggler in the forest; so that we may infer that the Snake that makes a noise, like the reptile whose name he bears, crouched in silence until the moment when he was about to spring upon his prey.

He was lying in the coverts around Fort Mellon, while Paddy Carr was there with the friendly Indians, of whom he counted one hundred and twenty, as he gazed at them from his lurking-place. After he had watched a whole night, he joined an assailing party of his people, who fired upon the fort in the morning, and of whom ten were killed; he received a spent ball in his hand, and being unable to manage his gun, retired.

He was in a battle with the Tennessee volunteers, in which three Seminoles were killed, whose bodies were dragged to the nearest bushes and hidden, as there was not time to bury or to carry them off.

He participated in the battle of Wahoo Swamp, where the Indians lost two warriors, and killed several of the whites. The next day the whites came again, and a skirmish ensued. Acee Yoholo was present in all these fights. On one occasion, Chittee Yoholo drove off a hundred cattle from the settlements of the white people; and he tells of various other battles that he was engaged in, in addition to those we have mentioned.

Having stated that he had seen and recognized Jim Boy at the head of the Indians friendly to the whites, he was asked why he had not killed that chief, whose unusual height made him a conspicuous object. He replied that it was not the will of the Great Spirit; and added that he had been in many battles, and not having lost his life, he concluded he should die of sickness, and he supposed that Jim Boy would die in the same way. The allusion to the latter was made in consequence of his being present at this conversation.

After the adventures related, and many others, this chief listened to the overtures of the Creek Indians, who invited him to a council, and gave him, as he expresses it, a good talk. He accompanied them to St. Augustine, and gave himself up to the commanding officer, by whom he was kindly treated. He has a wife and two children in Arkansas.

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