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ScottS
10-13-2020, 11:01 PM
I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!

Chitown
10-14-2020, 01:40 AM
To answer your question, yes. There are many of those in The Villages that cannot handle the fact that many of us feel comfortable being out and about and socializing with others. They are so upset that we are not living our lives in our basements with our masks on. The idea that we would dare try to live normally once again makes them so upset that I would not put it past them to purchase up as many tickets as they can just to stick it to us.

Two Bills
10-14-2020, 03:53 AM
If there is a way to F up your day, be sure someone will find it!

rustyp
10-14-2020, 06:08 AM
I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!

Did you stand in line and unable to get a ticket ? Please describe the procedure / experience for those of us that have not tried yet. Please keep the reply as first hand experience not "I heard" or "I read".

Stu from NYC
10-14-2020, 06:12 AM
Hard to believe people would be so miserable to do this

davem4616
10-14-2020, 06:47 AM
this sounds more like a rumor than reality...there may have been a few instances where someone did this, but highly unlikely that this is an 'organized' effort occurring on a regular basis

Dana1963
10-14-2020, 06:56 AM
I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!
I frankly don't think the square entertainment at this time is popular as some might think.

asianthree
10-14-2020, 07:18 AM
Every night all tickets are no longer available, even the entertainment that didn’t draw many, yet only 1/2 or less are attending. We stopped at the ticket center to pick up ours (printer out of ink) two women in their maybe mid eighties (guessing) both got two tickets. One said that takes care of a few, we needed 3 tickets, but all tickets were gone. I asked if they could spare one ticket. Since she was wearing a mask, and a shield, I could not see facial expression. NO,,,,,no one is using these tickets, ripped in half, and they walked away.

The nice lady at the booth said not the first time, it’s happened, and how sad it was.

So yes here is your sign, some feel empowered to control other lives.

I just returned from the land of Covid (not in this state, and stop fretting, I am here, left my position due to an unexpected fracture, didn’t leave my home for 6 weeks, due to mobility) so after 5 months of the craziness of hospital life, I find that some in TV are more than scary for me.

golfing eagles
10-14-2020, 07:36 AM
Every night all tickets are no longer available, even the entertainment that didn’t draw many, yet only 1/2 or less are attending. We stopped at the ticket center to pick up ours (printer out of ink) two women in their maybe mid eighties (guessing) both got two tickets. One said that takes care of a few, we needed 3 tickets, but all tickets were gone. I asked if they could spare one ticket. Since she was wearing a mask, and a shield, I could not see facial expression. NO,,,,,no one is using these tickets, ripped in half, and they walked away.

The nice lady at the booth said not the first time, it’s happened, and how sad it was.

So yes here is your sign, some feel empowered to control other lives.

I just returned from the land of Covid (not in this state, and stop fretting, I am here, left my position due to an unexpected fracture, didn’t leave my home for 6 weeks, due to mobility) so after 5 months of the craziness of hospital life, I find that some in TV are more than scary for me.

You are sooooo correct. There is a subset of people who think they can control other people's lives. These are the people who drive alone in their cars or golf carts with a mask on. When challenged (on line) they have a million excuses--"I forgot to take it off, I was going to the store and didn't want to fiddle with it in the parking lot, etc." They will claim they are wearing it to protect ME:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Sorry, but if you are driving in your car, you don't need to protect ME. In reality, these people think they are protecting themselves, they saw something on TV or on Mrs. Google and now feel they are self proclaimed experts who intend to cram their opinion down everyone else's throat. They are suffering from delusional paranoia with excessive rationalization but claim they are not afraid. The reality is the opposite. This is similar to the person who posted a few years ago that they always take the left lane on 466 in a 45 zone at 30 mph. because THEY feel that is fast enough, and want to cram their opinion down my throat. They don't care that traffic experts and elected officials have studied the road and set the speed limit, any more than they care that not a single expert has suggested wearing a mask alone in a car. They have their irrational opinion and will stick with it no matter what facts or medical information is thrown their way.
All that is fine, they have the right to drive with a mask on, just as I have the right to ridicule them. But when they decide to open their yaps, that's where I draw the line. There was a guy last week, sitting in his cart at the mailboxes with a mask on. There were 3 or 4 other people there, well distanced, but this clown decides to start yelling at a woman for not wearing a mask. I couldn't resist, so I went and hovered over him and stated "I'm not wearing a mask either, care to start yelling at me, because you will not like the response". He left. Another TOTV post stated that if anyone comes within 20 feet he holds up his hand and yells "stop!". Like his hand means anything to anyone.
If this wasn't a serious worldwide pandemic, all this behavior would be even more laughable, but unfortunately for the victims, not so funny.

davem4616
10-14-2020, 08:10 AM
very sad indeed hearing that there ARE actually some 'self righteous' folks in TV that are deliberately signing up for tickets with the only intention of destroying them

IMHO we don't need 'hall monitors'

billethkid
10-14-2020, 08:56 AM
Keep in mind we are seeing/hearing the isolated cases that do not represent the majority of residents who abide by the rules.

golfing eagles
10-14-2020, 09:02 AM
Keep in mind we are seeing/hearing the isolated cases that do not represent the majority of residents who abide by the rules.

Are we???? According to the person who was checking passes at LSL, less than 25% of those with a pass show up. There will always be no shows, but this seems extraordinarily high. Couple that with posters that have "testified" that they have seen people rip up their pass as soon as they walked away from getting it, it makes me wonder.

Rapscallion St Croix
10-14-2020, 09:10 AM
If someone willfully destroys their ticket or just fails to attend, they really don't accomplish a thing. Walk-ins are allowed after 6 pm if capacity allows.

golfing eagles
10-14-2020, 09:16 AM
If someone willfully destroys their ticket or just fails to attend, they really don't accomplish a thing. Walk-ins are allowed after 6 pm if capacity allows.

True, but the issue is less the efficacy of their strategy, and more the mind set of those pathetic individuals

roob1
10-14-2020, 09:17 AM
A post such as below will likely make people think it is.



I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!

OrangeBlossomBaby
10-14-2020, 09:25 AM
I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!

Where did you hear it from?

OrangeBlossomBaby
10-14-2020, 09:30 AM
Are we???? According to the person who was checking passes at LSL, less than 25% of those with a pass show up. There will always be no shows, but this seems extraordinarily high. Couple that with posters that have "testified" that they have seen people rip up their pass as soon as they walked away from getting it, it makes me wonder.

My conspiracy theory debunk, based on nothing but personal observation, which is limited since I haven't seen or heard of anyone with tickets at all:

People found out that they can go back to the squares, but ONLY if they get tickets. The tickets are free and once the tickets are gone, no one else can get them. So it's an exclusive offer. They have no idea if they're going to the squares or not but hey - free, and limited. So sure let's all get them.

And then they don't go, because they weren't getting tickets specifically to go - they were only getting them "just in case I want to go."

Sort of like when someone offers you a pad of paper at Staples because it's National Teacher Appreciation week and you used to be a teacher and have the teacher rewards card. So you take the free pad of paper, and it sits in the trunk of your car and you never use it and eventually throw it away when you go to sell your car 10 years later.

Same principal. If it's free and limited, people will get them even if they have no intention or specific plans of taking advantage of whatever they got for free and limited.

mixsonci
10-14-2020, 09:36 AM
If this is true, their strategy will not work. A friend of mine went to Spanish Springs for the music, she did not have a ticket but thought she would go and walk around anyway. When there was not that many people in the music venue, they opened it up to everyone, no ticket needed because there was so few people there anyway. She called me while she was there and wanted me to come up to enjoy the music inside the pearly gates

Going My Way
10-14-2020, 09:38 AM
Free is good, wonder who payed for the printing of those tickets that are now sitting inside a trash can... :popcorn:

OrangeBlossomBaby
10-14-2020, 09:41 AM
Free is good, wonder who payed for the printing of those tickets that are now sitting inside a trash can... :popcorn:

The developer, the county, and the merchants who run shops in the squares. Entertainment on those squares are not amenities so it's not coming out of amenity fees. It's coming out of taxes paid to the county, and the entertainment group that is a subsidiary of the Villages Holding LLC (the developer).

graciegirl
10-14-2020, 09:50 AM
Free is good, wonder who payed for the printing of those tickets that are now sitting inside a trash can... :popcorn:

The answer to that is the merchants on the squares pay for the ticket process and they also pay the Entertainment Department, a separate entity that used to be run by the developer but now is run by the same person but is supposedly stand alone. However ...the merchants still pay for the entertainment along with a stipend from the entertainment tax. (I think I remember that correctly)

I didn't hear or see anyone saying to take up the tickets for entertainment, but I did read on Facebook a person who was saying to get the tickets to see the Vice President and then not go.

Nothing much surprises me anymore.

Mleeja
10-14-2020, 12:01 PM
I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!

And you can prove that this is fake news? Please do!

I do not know the original poster. However, I was told the same thing about people getting passes and then deliberately not showing up. The person who told me this was at Brownwood last Saturday evening. He said at 7:00 pm there were less than 30 people inside the square. The person scanning in the tickets said it was a “sold out” show and stated people get tickets and not show up. I think in lawyer speak this would be anecdotal evidence that what is described is happening.

La lamy
10-14-2020, 12:53 PM
If someone willfully destroys their ticket or just fails to attend, they really don't accomplish a thing. Walk-ins are allowed after 6 pm if capacity allows.

Really?! Good to know.

gadaboutgal
10-14-2020, 02:34 PM
You are sooooo correct. There is a subset of people who think they can control other people's lives. These are the people who drive alone in their cars or golf carts with a mask on. When challenged (on line) they have a million excuses--"I forgot to take it off, I was going to the store and didn't want to fiddle with it in the parking lot, etc." They will claim they are wearing it to protect ME:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Sorry, but if you are driving in your car, you don't need to protect ME. In reality, these people think they are protecting themselves, they saw something on TV or on Mrs. Google and now feel they are self proclaimed experts who intend to cram their opinion down everyone else's throat. They are suffering from delusional paranoia with excessive rationalization but claim they are not afraid. The reality is the opposite. This is similar to the person who posted a few years ago that they always take the left lane on 466 in a 45 zone at 30 mph. because THEY feel that is fast enough, and want to cram their opinion down my throat. They don't care that traffic experts and elected officials have studied the road and set the speed limit, any more than they care that not a single expert has suggested wearing a mask alone in a car. They have their irrational opinion and will stick with it no matter what facts or medical information is thrown their way.
All that is fine, they have the right to drive with a mask on, just as I have the right to ridicule them. But when they decide to open their yaps, that's where I draw the line. There was a guy last week, sitting in his cart at the mailboxes with a mask on. There were 3 or 4 other people there, well distanced, but this clown decides to start yelling at a woman for not wearing a mask. I couldn't resist, so I went and hovered over him and stated "I'm not wearing a mask either, care to start yelling at me, because you will not like the response". He left. Another TOTV post stated that if anyone comes within 20 feet he holds up his hand and yells "stop!". Like his hand means anything to anyone.
If this wasn't a serious worldwide pandemic, all this behavior would be even more laughable, but unfortunately for the victims, not so funny.

Geez, What business is it of yours to judge? If people want to wear a mask to bed, it is their choice--it's their constitutional right after all.

golfing eagles
10-14-2020, 05:43 PM
Geez, What business is it of yours to judge? If people want to wear a mask to bed, it is their choice--it's their constitutional right after all.

Correct, I said that. Likewise, I have the constitutional right to mock their ignorance

Dond1959
10-14-2020, 06:49 PM
I truly hope people are not reserving tickets with the intention of not going. There are small businesses in these squares that have had a very tough year. They need the traffic to try and stay in business. By taking tickets out of the system with no intention of using them people are reducing traffic these businesses desperately need. Please think about your impact to these businesses if you are thinking about or doing this.

EdFNJ
10-14-2020, 09:14 PM
Geez, What business is it of yours to judge? If people want to wear a mask to bed, it is their choice--it's their constitutional right after all. I agree 100% (except for The Constitution part.)
Correct, I said that. Likewise, I have the constitutional right to mock their ignorance Wow! I must have missed those things when I read The Constitution. I must have also missed the part where it says we have the "unalienable right to be rude and obnoxious." Must be in there somewhere because there is so much of it going around.

retiredguy123
10-14-2020, 09:29 PM
If they required me to go, I would buy a ticket to allow me to not go.

pauld315
10-14-2020, 10:05 PM
Just like the people who felt nobody should be allowed to play golf. They would stand shoulder to shoulder at the first tee to take pictures trying to document a few golfers standing closer than 6 feet apart while waiting to tee off. At Lopez, the golf pro came out and admonished the picture takers for not social distancing before telling them he would have them charged with trespassing if they stayed there without a tee time. There are too many of these types in The Villages.

OrangeBlossomBaby
10-14-2020, 10:07 PM
Correct, I said that. Likewise, I have the constitutional right to mock their ignorance

Well that just depends doesn't it? If you mock them in person, it could be considered harassment, which is against the law, and NOT a constitutional right.

dadspet
10-14-2020, 10:37 PM
WOW I really find it hard to believe any Villagers would stoop so low as to get tickets just to stop others from going. I can believe that perhaps something came or they didnt fell good or even forgot but just getting tickets to deny others makes no sense to me and if true it has to be a very very small number (I hope they can sleep good at night).

Mrprez
10-15-2020, 04:04 AM
WOW I really find it hard to believe any Villagers would stoop so low as to get tickets just to stop others from going. I can believe that perhaps something came or they didnt fell good or even forgot but just getting tickets to deny others makes no sense to me and if true it has to be a very very small number (I hope they can sleep good at night).

Really? Get on YouTube and watch the golf cart parade from last summer supporting the incumbent. You will see these people standing along the way.

stadry
10-15-2020, 05:00 AM
not much surprises most of us anymore

golfing eagles
10-15-2020, 05:06 AM
Well that just depends doesn't it? If you mock them in person, it could be considered harassment, which is against the law, and NOT a constitutional right.

Ummmmm-----1st amendment.

But you are right---if someone is that paralyzed with fear, they need psychiatric help, not mocking.

Girlcopper
10-15-2020, 05:07 AM
I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!
You heard? Again, the rumor mill. If you want to go, get your tix and dont concern yourself with others and the local gossip group.

dleroux57
10-15-2020, 05:17 AM
Right on, we feel the same way.

Heyitsrick
10-15-2020, 05:17 AM
Well that just depends doesn't it? If you mock them in person, it could be considered harassment, which is against the law, and NOT a constitutional right.

A single case of someone insulting you (without threatening some kind of harm) doesn't appear to meet the legal threshold for harassment.




Behavior Must Be Repeated

An isolated incident is not harassment – the behavior must be repetitious. If your ex plants a spider in your mailbox knowing you're terrified of them, he hasn't harassed you. If he does so once or twice a week so you live in fear of thrusting your hand inside, this is harassment. The acts don't have to be identical each time, they can be a series of different events. For example, he might plant the spider on Monday, then call you three times on Tuesday for no good reason, just to threaten you with more spiders or call you names.

When Can You Sue for Harassment & Emotional Distress? | Legal Beagle (https://legalbeagle.com/8475567-can-sue-harassment-emotional-distress.html)

Leadbone1
10-15-2020, 05:23 AM
If someone willfully destroys their ticket or just fails to attend, they really don't accomplish a thing. Walk-ins are allowed after 6 pm if capacity allows.

Thanks for the information. I didn’t know this about walk-ins allowed after 6 PM. I’m going to check that out and for sure go down to hear some music.

Scott O
10-15-2020, 05:28 AM
As sure as I breathe, I know there is....petty to the core...

Scott O
10-15-2020, 05:31 AM
No political references, apparently your special...

mrf6969
10-15-2020, 05:45 AM
We were in Sumter Town Square 2 nights ago and observed that the square area was not near capacity. Because of this we observed that people without tickets were just waved in. Common sense, love it!!

jedalton
10-15-2020, 06:15 AM
I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!.
those are the "entitled"

crash
10-15-2020, 06:15 AM
If someone willfully destroys their ticket or just fails to attend, they really don't accomplish a thing. Walk-ins are allowed after 6 pm if capacity allows.

Wow good to know this I never saw anywhere that said that.

I tried to get tickets for the hooligans online and always said not available. Then at 8.30 a week in advance still not available then 11:30 sold out. The web cams show sparse crowd but sold out.

Windguy
10-15-2020, 06:20 AM
There are many of those in The Villages that cannot handle the fact that many of us feel comfortable being out and about and socializing with others.

Wow! You really do not understand why people don’t like seeing super-spreader events. It because they increase the percentage of people who are walking around spreading the disease, which then they might get when they are out and about taking care of necessary chores.

I has absolutely nothing to do with not wanting you to have any fun.

J1ceasar
10-15-2020, 06:44 AM
I fell sorry for u . I have two friends both over 90 dying from covid

Lil GTO
10-15-2020, 06:47 AM
Sadly I believe that there are people just as you describe. Always worried about someone else’s business instead of minding their own.

My feelings match yours. If you don’t want to go out and live life until you die then stay home and quit infringing on others rights to live as they please.

I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!

Freeda
10-15-2020, 07:00 AM
After about 7 pm the gate people at the squares will let people in without passes if the quota of people allowed hasn’t been reached. (They scan the bar codes of the passes as people enter, so they know how many, and which, passes are being used).

Also, an easy way to get passes is at tickets.thevillages.com. The tickets will be emailed to you, so you can just print them at home.

bragones
10-15-2020, 07:08 AM
Abuse of the system is fueled by free tickets. If a stipend fee of something like $2.00 were charged people would likely not purchase them for an event that they didn't plan to attend. If the pool of stipend money was then raffled off as gift certificates to the merchants who pay for entertainment (less a small administrative fee) the abuse just might stop and the merchants would get traffic that the entertainment was designed to bring.

diva1
10-15-2020, 07:10 AM
This whole ticket thing has to go. Take the power away from these types. People without tickets are sitting right outside the "ticket area" anyway. Just a pain in the butt for no real reason.

Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com
10-15-2020, 07:23 AM
Every night all tickets are no longer available, even the entertainment that didn’t draw many, yet only 1/2 or less are attending. We stopped at the ticket center to pick up ours (printer out of ink) two women in their maybe mid eighties (guessing) both got two tickets. One said that takes care of a few, we needed 3 tickets, but all tickets were gone. I asked if they could spare one ticket. Since she was wearing a mask, and a shield, I could not see facial expression. NO,,,,,no one is using these tickets, ripped in half, and they walked away.

The nice lady at the booth said not the first time, it’s happened, and how sad it was.
So yes here is your sign, some feel empowered to control other lives.

I just returned from the land of Covid (not in this state, and stop fretting, I am here, left my position due to an unexpected fracture, didn’t leave my home for 6 weeks, due to mobility) so after 5 months of the craziness of hospital life, I find that some in TV are more than scary for me.
I have been trying to get two tickets since it started on 10-5-20, all events are taken and unavailable, yes I believe it’s happening since none of the venues are at full capacity and unless you have a ticket you cannot get in.
:boom: :boom: :boom: :boom:

merrymini
10-15-2020, 07:31 AM
Did you stand in line and unable to get a ticket ? Please describe the procedure / experience for those of us that have not tried yet. Please keep the reply as first hand experience not "I heard" or "I read".

After 6pm, you get in without a ticket. Just go.

SDiMonda
10-15-2020, 07:48 AM
Perhaps the Villages should implement a “No Show” point system similar to Golf.

Guitarman1951
10-15-2020, 08:00 AM
I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!
We all hate having to stay home and be so extra careful. We were used to traveling during the summer to get away from the heat and miss it.
However, I follow the number of new cases in the Villages every day. Up until recently, new cases were very few a day. After full opening, including the square at a controlled amount, cases have climbed steadily. Used to be less than 5 a day. Today was 14 new cases and I expect that will start rising exponentially if something isn't done. I don't have a clue about whether someone is destroying tickets but I also saw pictures of people in the squares, none wearing masks. This will, if not already, become a hot spot for spreading the virus. Even if I stay home, wear a mask and do my best to avoid getting the virus, this will increase the chance of getting it when I have to get groceries, other necessities like going to the doctor, dentist or whatever. Just saying if someone doesn't want to go to the squares, don't go is not a smart answer. It will increase the chance of getting it for everyone. Our chances of death are much higher than most and, even if surviving it, long term kidney and lung problems may result in an earlier death. New cases per day are climbing and more group gatherings are going to add to that fact.

KRM0614
10-15-2020, 08:18 AM
I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!
Your reply is as petty as those you allege threw away tickets
I come here for ideas but it’s a whine box

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
10-15-2020, 08:19 AM
How about instead of requiring passes, the staff just counts the number of people that enter the square and stop allowing people in when they hit the number allowed. They could also count the number that leave. When leaving they could ask if their coming back and give them a re-entry pass. That way people could leave to go to the restroom. If a person leaves permanently, they could allow another person in. I read on this site that people without passes were allowed in later in the evening after many people left.

Dana1963
10-15-2020, 08:20 AM
We all hate having to stay home and be so extra careful. We were used to traveling during the summer to get away from the heat and miss it.
However, I follow the number of new cases in the Villages every day. Up until recently, new cases were very few a day. After full opening, including the square at a controlled amount, cases have climbed steadily. Used to be less than 5 a day. Today was 14 new cases and I expect that will start rising exponentially if something isn't done. I don't have a clue about whether someone is destroying tickets but I also saw pictures of people in the squares, none wearing masks. This will, if not already, become a hot spot for spreading the virus. Even if I stay home, wear a mask and do my best to avoid getting the virus, this will increase the chance of getting it when I have to get groceries, other necessities like going to the doctor, dentist or whatever. Just saying if someone doesn't want to go to the squares, don't go is not a smart answer. It will increase the chance of getting it for everyone. Our chances of death are much higher than most and, even if surviving it, long term kidney and lung problems may result in an earlier death. New cases per day are climbing and more group gatherings are going to add to that fact.
I wonder if there is a contact tracing program with increases in Covid cases. 14 reported yesterday and there may be a 2-day lag from testing to reporting just wonder where the cases or transmission is coming from?

sooziesoul
10-15-2020, 08:29 AM
You can get your free passes at the box offices at each square or you can get them online at Villages Entertainment. You should get them in advance because they restrict how many they give out. Also they are letting people in with out passes after 6:00PM. How many they will let in then depends on the count of people already inside. They have set a maximum .

graciegirl
10-15-2020, 08:31 AM
I wonder if there is a contact tracing program with increases in Covid cases. 14 reported yesterday and there may be a 2-day lag from testing to reporting just wonder where the cases or transmission is coming from?

I have heard some conspiracy theories about contact tracing from people who I have always respected. I have always thought medical contact tracing was a very good thing and still do. A lot of folks here think it is a "restraint of freedom" or a "dangerous thing".

No matter my politics, I stand with Science. This little ******* is killing people and I want to continue to live in my lovely home with my treasured husband and daughter and paint my pictures and cut back my roses and swim in my pool and enjoy all the great things on Acorn T.V. My cats want me to live to.

I am pretty sure about the cats.

Well then again who knows what they are thinking....got a pretty nasty look from Mikey when he found his Tuna bowl empty...

PennBF
10-15-2020, 08:33 AM
I would think those that get tickets and go are making a statement as well as those who get tickets and don't go. With 20+ new cases in Sumter yesterday it seems maybe
the ones that don't go are smarter. ! Drove by the LSL last evening and most were not wearing mask's and are possible future candidates for the statistic's page in the Media?
We go by a very simple rule. Is what you are about to do worth risking your life
or prolonged impacts of the virus? Note: There were also 5 who passed away from the virus yesterday!:popcorn:

8notes
10-15-2020, 08:36 AM
You are sooooo correct. There is a subset of people who think they can control other people's lives. These are the people who drive alone in their cars or golf carts with a mask on. When challenged (on line) they have a million excuses--"I forgot to take it off, I was going to the store and didn't want to fiddle with it in the parking lot, etc." They will claim they are wearing it to protect ME:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Sorry, but if you are driving in your car, you don't need to protect ME. In reality, these people think they are protecting themselves, they saw something on TV or on Mrs. Google and now feel they are self proclaimed experts who intend to cram their opinion down everyone else's throat. They are suffering from delusional paranoia with excessive rationalization but claim they are not afraid. The reality is the opposite. This is similar to the person who posted a few years ago that they always take the left lane on 466 in a 45 zone at 30 mph. because THEY feel that is fast enough, and want to cram their opinion down my throat. They don't care that traffic experts and elected officials have studied the road and set the speed limit, any more than they care that not a single expert has suggested wearing a mask alone in a car. They have their irrational opinion and will stick with it no matter what facts or medical information is thrown their way.
All that is fine, they have the right to drive with a mask on, just as I have the right to ridicule them. But when they decide to open their yaps, that's where I draw the line. There was a guy last week, sitting in his cart at the mailboxes with a mask on. There were 3 or 4 other people there, well distanced, but this clown decides to start yelling at a woman for not wearing a mask. I couldn't resist, so I went and hovered over him and stated "I'm not wearing a mask either, care to start yelling at me, because you will not like the response". He left. Another TOTV post stated that if anyone comes within 20 feet he holds up his hand and yells "stop!". Like his hand means anything to anyone.
If this wasn't a serious worldwide pandemic, all this behavior would be even more laughable, but unfortunately for the victims, not so funny.

You hovered over him with no mask??? Wow, glad I wasn't around you.

8notes
10-15-2020, 08:39 AM
We all hate having to stay home and be so extra careful. We were used to traveling during the summer to get away from the heat and miss it.
However, I follow the number of new cases in the Villages every day. Up until recently, new cases were very few a day. After full opening, including the square at a controlled amount, cases have climbed steadily. Used to be less than 5 a day. Today was 14 new cases and I expect that will start rising exponentially if something isn't done. I don't have a clue about whether someone is destroying tickets but I also saw pictures of people in the squares, none wearing masks. This will, if not already, become a hot spot for spreading the virus. Even if I stay home, wear a mask and do my best to avoid getting the virus, this will increase the chance of getting it when I have to get groceries, other necessities like going to the doctor, dentist or whatever. Just saying if someone doesn't want to go to the squares, don't go is not a smart answer. It will increase the chance of getting it for everyone. Our chances of death are much higher than most and, even if surviving it, long term kidney and lung problems may result in an earlier death. New cases per day are climbing and more group gatherings are going to add to that fact.

:bigbow:

sooziesoul
10-15-2020, 08:39 AM
You are correct. Just count people as they enter and stop when capacity is reached!

sooziesoul
10-15-2020, 08:40 AM
After 6:00 you can get in without a pass until capacity is reached.

Mrprez
10-15-2020, 09:04 AM
There is more to Sumter than TV. There is also the Federal Penitentiary.

denjanmichael@outlook.com
10-15-2020, 09:12 AM
I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!
We have been monitoring the Squares from a distance---checking for available tickets online at tickets.thevillages.com, tickets are unavailable at all three squares for VIRTUALLY every performance for every night. At the same time, we have been looking at all three squares live video cameras on The Villages - Florida's Friendliest Active Adult 55+ Retirement Community (http://www.thevillages.com) and see almost NOBODY at Spanish Springs, SOME at Lake Sumter, and SLIGHTLY MORE attendees at Brownwood. None of the squares have near the 250 to 300 ticket capacity that was planned. I thought at first people were getting tickets but deciding not to go for some reason. After reading these posts, it is obvious that some inconsiderate people are getting tickets and destroying them so others cannot attend.

The solution is simple: rather than allow people to get tickets beforehand, have the Villages employee who is letting people into each Square have the allowed number of tickets with them and hand them out to the "first come, first served" Villagers who enter the Square. You can expand this idea even more by allowing people who leave the Square (almost no one stays the whole time) return their ticket to the Villages employee so others can enter. This will eliminate the under handed efforts by some and give those who want to attend the music at a Square a much better chance to gain entry!

DonH57
10-15-2020, 09:19 AM
I really don't believe that many villagers would spend the money just to throw in the trash can. Look how fast they depart the bars 5 minutes after happy hour.:duck:

Schuvwj
10-15-2020, 09:23 AM
Every night all tickets are no longer available, even the entertainment that didn’t draw many, yet only 1/2 or less are attending. We stopped at the ticket center to pick up ours (printer out of ink) two women in their maybe mid eighties (guessing) both got two tickets. One said that takes care of a few, we needed 3 tickets, but all tickets were gone. I asked if they could spare one ticket. Since she was wearing a mask, and a shield, I could not see facial expression. NO,,,,,no one is using these tickets, ripped in half, and they walked away.

The nice lady at the booth said not the first time, it’s happened, and how sad it was.

So yes here is your sign, some feel empowered to control other lives.

I just returned from the land of Covid (not in this state, and stop fretting, I am here, left my position due to an unexpected fracture, didn’t leave my home for 6 weeks, due to mobility) so after 5 months of the craziness of hospital life, I find that some in TV are more than scary for me.

So much for Florida’s Friendliest Hometown! A lot of people here are getting down right rude!

Brynnie
10-15-2020, 10:05 AM
You are sooooo correct. There is a subset of people who think they can control other people's lives. These are the people who drive alone in their cars or golf carts with a mask on. When challenged (on line) they have a million excuses--"I forgot to take it off, I was going to the store and didn't want to fiddle with it in the parking lot, etc." They will claim they are wearing it to protect ME:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Sorry, but if you are driving in your car, you don't need to protect ME. In reality, these people think they are protecting themselves, they saw something on TV or on Mrs. Google and now feel they are self proclaimed experts who intend to cram their opinion down everyone else's throat. They are suffering from delusional paranoia with excessive rationalization but claim they are not afraid. The reality is the opposite. This is similar to the
person who posted a few years ago that they always take the left lane on 466 in a 45 zone at 30 mph. because THEY feel that is fast enough, and want to cram their opinion down my throat. They don't care that traffic experts and elected officials have studied the road and set the speed limit, any more than they care that not a single expert has suggested wearing a mask alone in a car. They have their irrational opinion and will stick with it no matter what facts or medical information is thrown their way.
All that is fine, they have the right to drive with a mask on, just as I have the right to ridicule them. But when they decide to open their yaps, that's where I draw the line. There was a guy last week, sitting in his cart at the mailboxes with a mask on. There were 3 or 4 other people there, well distanced, but this clown decides to start yelling at a woman for not wearing a mask. I couldn't resist, so I went and hovered over him and stated "I'm not wearing a mask either, care to start yelling at me, because you will not like the response". He left. Another TOTV post stated that if anyone comes within 20 feet he holds up his hand and yells "stop!". Like his hand means anything to anyone.
If this wasn't a serious worldwide pandemic, all this behavior would be even more laughable, but unfortunately for the victims, not so funny.

Why can't you all just live and let live? Isn't there enough anger, vitriol, and sniping going on in this country without neighbors ridiculing each other for wearing or not wearing masks? If people feel safer wearing a mask to the mailbox, where they may be shoulder to shoulder with others not wearing masks, why do you care? They're cautious and being smart. Maybe they have a health issue that you aren't aware of. Who are you to ridicule them? If you don't want to wear a mask and social distance, then don't. Just stay away from others who are trying to be cautious.

oneclickplus
10-15-2020, 10:18 AM
I heard that some people were snatching up tickets to the square music outings and throwing them away, just so other people can’t attend. Is this true? Are people really that petty and ignorant enough to do that? If you don’t want to attend these events, then stay home! I retired and moved here because of the wonderful amenities and activities that go on here. And Town square events was one of them. If you are childish enough to do something like that, then you have bigger mental issues than I can deal with. Stay home and dwindle away to nothing, you won’t be missed. We, however, have chosen to live life and enjoy it! I didn’t spend my entire life working and saving, just to sit inside and watch murder she wrote!

Solution: charge for tickets ($100 each cash) and then issue a refund upon arrival. Event is still free to those who wish to enjoy it. Give the unclaimed refunds to charity.

2newyorkers
10-15-2020, 10:37 AM
Drove past Sumter Landing about 6:15 last evening. Square was pretty full and people looked like they were enjoying themselves.

JSR22
10-15-2020, 10:46 AM
I really don't believe that many villagers would spend the money just to throw in the trash can. Look how fast they depart the bars 5 minutes after happy hour.:duck:

The tickets are free.

Byte1
10-15-2020, 10:55 AM
I agree 100% (except for The Constitution part.)
Wow! I must have missed those things when I read The Constitution. I must have also missed the part where it says we have the "unalienable right to be rude and obnoxious." Must be in there somewhere because there is so much of it going around.

First Amendment. It does not stipulate that one must use warm and fuzzy verbiage. And it does not prohibit rude and obnoxious language. But, it does say you have Freedom of Speech by prohibiting the limiting of speech.

jimjamuser
10-15-2020, 10:55 AM
Did you stand in line and unable to get a ticket ? Please describe the procedure / experience for those of us that have not tried yet. Please keep the reply as first hand experience not "I heard" or "I read".
Sounds like a local conspiracy theory designed to stir up controversy and drive a wedge between Village people. It would seem unlikely that any one person could believe that they could prevent or slow down the numbers of people that want to go to the squares. It would take an evil cabal to make it happen. See how easily that becomes a conspiracy theory.

It is unlikely that the squares will go BACK to being closed now, no matter what. Both the US and Europe have opened up to "normal" life. There are NO plans to return to "stay at home" measures. So party on - the Genie has left the bottle!

jimjamuser
10-15-2020, 11:39 AM
You are sooooo correct. There is a subset of people who think they can control other people's lives. These are the people who drive alone in their cars or golf carts with a mask on. When challenged (on line) they have a million excuses--"I forgot to take it off, I was going to the store and didn't want to fiddle with it in the parking lot, etc." They will claim they are wearing it to protect ME:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Sorry, but if you are driving in your car, you don't need to protect ME. In reality, these people think they are protecting themselves, they saw something on TV or on Mrs. Google and now feel they are self proclaimed experts who intend to cram their opinion down everyone else's throat. They are suffering from delusional paranoia with excessive rationalization but claim they are not afraid. The reality is the opposite. This is similar to the person who posted a few years ago that they always take the left lane on 466 in a 45 zone at 30 mph. because THEY feel that is fast enough, and want to cram their opinion down my throat. They don't care that traffic experts and elected officials have studied the road and set the speed limit, any more than they care that not a single expert has suggested wearing a mask alone in a car. They have their irrational opinion and will stick with it no matter what facts or medical information is thrown their way.
All that is fine, they have the right to drive with a mask on, just as I have the right to ridicule them. But when they decide to open their yaps, that's where I draw the line. There was a guy last week, sitting in his cart at the mailboxes with a mask on. There were 3 or 4 other people there, well distanced, but this clown decides to start yelling at a woman for not wearing a mask. I couldn't resist, so I went and hovered over him and stated "I'm not wearing a mask either, care to start yelling at me, because you will not like the response". He left. Another TOTV post stated that if anyone comes within 20 feet he holds up his hand and yells "stop!". Like his hand means anything to anyone.
If this wasn't a serious worldwide pandemic, all this behavior would be even more laughable, but unfortunately for the victims, not so funny.
I find this post interesting. Incidentally, I liked the Mrs. Google reference! Kudos. I myself believe that a person wearing a mask has no right to challenge / yell at a non-mask wearing person. Also, a non-wearer should not yell at a mask-wearing individual. And getting close to or "in the face of" someone in that situation is NOTHING to be proud of and BRAG about. It is excessively aggressive. Better to deal with it in a less violent way. No need to escalate this mask vs maskless controversy. This is a local issue but it is part of MUCH larger forces causing social disruption and causing History to advance too rapidly for people to cope with in such a short time. WE all need to do our part and be PATIENT with one another. Do not be driven too far into opposite camps as represented by mask vs non-mask wearing - or loving the squares entertainment vs wanting to sabotage it. We are all old and mature enough to know that these current irritations will go away. Be patient and let your inner goodwill shine through.

jimjamuser
10-15-2020, 11:50 AM
True, but the issue is less the efficacy of their strategy, and more the mind set of those pathetic individuals
That is harsh. The ones ripping up tickets may THINK? that they are saving the world - one ticket at a time? I find it unusual. But "pathetic" may be too harsh. Who knows what is motivating them? They can't succeed. WE all live in troubled times, so unusual things are happening. Think of it as society-wide dementia or a wave of misunderstanding.

GOLFER54
10-15-2020, 12:05 PM
My suggestion is to bring scotch tape with you and put these tickets back together and now your in.

jimjamuser
10-15-2020, 12:09 PM
We all hate having to stay home and be so extra careful. We were used to traveling during the summer to get away from the heat and miss it.
However, I follow the number of new cases in the Villages every day. Up until recently, new cases were very few a day. After full opening, including the square at a controlled amount, cases have climbed steadily. Used to be less than 5 a day. Today was 14 new cases and I expect that will start rising exponentially if something isn't done. I don't have a clue about whether someone is destroying tickets but I also saw pictures of people in the squares, none wearing masks. This will, if not already, become a hot spot for spreading the virus. Even if I stay home, wear a mask and do my best to avoid getting the virus, this will increase the chance of getting it when I have to get groceries, other necessities like going to the doctor, dentist or whatever. Just saying if someone doesn't want to go to the squares, don't go is not a smart answer. It will increase the chance of getting it for everyone. Our chances of death are much higher than most and, even if surviving it, long term kidney and lung problems may result in an earlier death. New cases per day are climbing and more group gatherings are going to add to that fact.
Dr Michael Osterholm a leading epidemiologist ( use Mrs. Google) says the US is going from 50,000 cases/day now to 100,000 by year's end. If and when that happens, places like TV Land will be forced to dial back large group events. People in The Villages will be forced to adjust their behavior.

golfing eagles
10-15-2020, 12:17 PM
Wow! You really do not understand why people don’t like seeing super-spreader events. It because they increase the percentage of people who are walking around spreading the disease, which then they might get when they are out and about taking care of necessary chores.

I has absolutely nothing to do with not wanting you to have any fun.

And there is the best definition of paranoia yet:bigbow:

golfing eagles
10-15-2020, 12:34 PM
I find this post interesting. Incidentally, I liked the Mrs. Google reference! Kudos. I myself believe that a person wearing a mask has no right to challenge / yell at a non-mask wearing person. Also, a non-wearer should not yell at a mask-wearing individual. And getting close to or "in the face of" someone in that situation is NOTHING to be proud of and BRAG about. It is excessively aggressive. Better to deal with it in a less violent way. No need to escalate this mask vs maskless controversy. This is a local issue but it is part of MUCH larger forces causing social disruption and causing History to advance too rapidly for people to cope with in such a short time. WE all need to do our part and be PATIENT with one another. Do not be driven too far into opposite camps as represented by mask vs non-mask wearing - or loving the squares entertainment vs wanting to sabotage it. We are all old and mature enough to know that these current irritations will go away. Be patient and let your inner goodwill shine through.

You're right, of course. Truth be told I was probably at least 6 feet away. Besides, I wasn't coughing sneezing, and spraying my words, and also had tested negative several days earlier. I would never put anyone in harm's way, the medical doctrine is "primum non nocere"--which means first, do no harm. But you had to be there to see what this guy was doing, really over the top. When he left, the woman thanked me for stopping his barrage.
However, I will stick with my use of pathetic----to take action for the sole purpose of trying to control others deserves such a label

Rosie1950
10-15-2020, 12:52 PM
How about instead of requiring passes, the staff just counts the number of people that enter the square and stop allowing people in when they hit the number allowed. They could also count the number that leave. When leaving they could ask if their coming back and give them a re-entry pass. That way people could leave to go to the restroom. If a person leaves permanently, they could allow another person in. I read on this site that people without passes were allowed in later in the evening after many people left.
That would only be TOO EASY.
I don’t ever go to the squares in the evening. Don’t really have a reason I just don’t go. I can say without a doubt that FREE anything is bait for Villagers. When we opened Petsmart in Lady Lake the store gave out 11 cases of free t-shirts. Opened 12 stores for the company and NEVER came close to that amount. That being said, I never once ever, saw anyone wearing one of the shirts. What’s the point of taking all these free bees?Remember the lines at SweetBay when they opened. 2am they started lining up golf carts for a FREE PINEAPPLE.
Now getting back to the squares, maybe it’s the antagonist approach of “if you’re panicked or don’t like it stay home “ a better example is “if you don’t like it move “ or my favorite “ stay home shuttered inside, under your bed makes more room for me”.
Sound like anything you’ve read here? I find those types remarks offensive, and have never be directed at me. How many of you would say such unkind things to a person standing in front of them. People seemed to have lost all sense of how to get along or a sense of kindness.

wisbad1
10-15-2020, 12:58 PM
To answer your question, yes. There are many of those in The Villages that cannot handle the fact that many of us feel comfortable being out and about and socializing with others. They are so upset that we are not living our lives in our basements with our masks on. The idea that we would dare try to live normally once again makes them so upset that I would not put it past them to purchase up as many tickets as they can just to stick it to us.
You don’t purchase them.

Rosie1950
10-15-2020, 01:01 PM
I have heard some conspiracy theories about contact tracing from people who I have always respected. I have always thought medical contact tracing was a very good thing and still do. A lot of folks here think it is a "restraint of freedom" or a "dangerous thing".

No matter my politics, I stand with Science. This little ******* is killing people and I want to continue to live in my lovely home with my treasured husband and daughter and paint my pictures and cut back my roses and swim in my pool and enjoy all the great things on Acorn T.V. My cats want me to live to.

I am pretty sure about the cats.

Well then again who knows what they are thinking....got a pretty nasty look from Mikey when he found his Tuna bowl empty...
You do know Gracie that cats don’t have pet parents, the have STAFF.

NavyVet
10-15-2020, 01:46 PM
Wow! You really do not understand why people don’t like seeing super-spreader events. It because they increase the percentage of people who are walking around spreading the disease, which then they might get when they are out and about taking care of necessary chores.

I has absolutely nothing to do with not wanting you to have any fun.

:bigbow: Absolutely agree! Thank you. I'm sure many others feel the same way we do. We are all starting to feel "pandemic fatigue." I don't leave my house except out of necessity. Unfortunately, there are always going to be those self-centered, entitled Narcissists who don't have an ounce of empathy for their fellow human beings who are at high risk. They tell us things like stay home when it's not that simple (or at all helpful), or refuse to take precautions that's inconvenient to them, putting everyone at more risk. IF this pandemic ever ends or gets under control, I have a feeling those selfish - don't care about anyone else - people will find they have fewer friends after being seen for what they are.

NavyVet
10-15-2020, 02:02 PM
This will, if not already, become a hot spot for spreading the virus. Even if I stay home, wear a mask and do my best to avoid getting the virus, this will increase the chance of getting it when I have to get groceries, other necessities like going to the doctor, dentist or whatever. Just saying if someone doesn't want to go to the squares, don't go is not a smart answer. It will increase the chance of getting it for everyone. Our chances of death are much higher than most and, even if surviving it, long term kidney and lung problems may result in an earlier death. New cases per day are climbing and more group gatherings are going to add to that fact.

I, too, am real tired of the mean and unhelpful "stay home" comments. Sometimes out of necessity we have to go out and the cavalier attitude of some people make it even harder to stay relatively safe. It is really unfair. I guess some of those who don't care about anyone other than themselves don't have any high risk family or friends to worry about.

jimjamuser
10-15-2020, 03:46 PM
You're right, of course. Truth be told I was probably at least 6 feet away. Besides, I wasn't coughing sneezing, and spraying my words, and also had tested negative several days earlier. I would never put anyone in harm's way, the medical doctrine is "primum non nocere"--which means first, do no harm. But you had to be there to see what this guy was doing, really over the top. When he left, the woman thanked me for stopping his barrage.
However, I will stick with my use of pathetic----to take action for the sole purpose of trying to control others deserves such a label
6 ft away is a good thing. And getting tested recently negative is a better thing - both for you and those around you. That is good that the woman felt that you supported her, so she may have felt better that a tense situation was resolved. I was just PREACHING moderation in my post. People used to have different views, but usually moderation prevailed. Today, polarization has gone WAY too far - affecting even a simple thing like a visit to the Post Office. I worry that it could push past the "do no harm" philosophy that you live by, and I endorse. Sometimes small situations spiral out of control. Sometimes whole societies and countries spiral out of control. I am powerless except to verbally endorse moderation and middle of the road thinking in this rapidly changing environment. Take care!

golfing eagles
10-15-2020, 03:55 PM
6 ft away is a good thing. And getting tested recently negative is a better thing - both for you and those around you. That is good that the woman felt that you supported her, so she may have felt better that a tense situation was resolved. I was just PREACHING moderation in my post. People used to have different views, but usually moderation prevailed. Today, polarization has gone WAY too far - affecting even a simple thing like a visit to the Post Office. I worry that it could push past the "do no harm" philosophy that you live by, and I endorse. Sometimes small situations spiral out of control. Sometimes whole societies and countries spiral out of control. I am powerless except to verbally endorse moderation and middle of the road thinking in this rapidly changing environment. Take care!

You too!

Boomer
10-15-2020, 03:57 PM
You're right, of course. Truth be told I was probably at least 6 feet away. Besides, I wasn't coughing sneezing, and spraying my words, and also had tested negative several days earlier. I would never put anyone in harm's way, the medical doctrine is "primum non nocere"--which means first, do no harm. But you had to be there to see what this guy was doing, really over the top. When he left, the woman thanked me for stopping his barrage.
However, I will stick with my use of pathetic----to take action for the sole purpose of trying to control others deserves such a label


Hello, golfing eagles,

I have not read this entire thread but your posts caught my attention and brought a question to mind.

Remember the thread from a few weeks ago when someone’s wife was alone, getting into her golf cart in a parking lot, when she was verbally assaulted by a couple of angry old guys because she had an “Evolve” bumper sticker. (irony not wasted on me considering that the men were obviously Neanderthals)

Well, if you had happened upon that scene, would you have come to her assistance also?

I hope so. But just wondering.

Boomer

golfing eagles
10-15-2020, 04:00 PM
Hello, golfing eagles,

I have not read this entire thread but your posts caught my attention and brought a question to mind.

Remember the thread from a few weeks ago when someone’s wife was alone, getting into her golf cart in a parking lot, when she was verbally assaulted by a couple of angry old guys because she had an “Evolve” bumper sticker. (irony not wasted on me considering that the men were obviously Neanderthals)

Well, if you had happened upon that scene, would you have come to her assistance also?

I hope so. But just wondering.

Boomer

Absolutely. But considering there were 2 of them and probably a lot younger than me, I would have set my car alarm off first. Having a pitching wedge close by would help as well:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PennBF
10-16-2020, 08:17 AM
You have got to love it that there are actually responsible residents/renter's who get tickets and rip them up to try in their own small way to protect other residents since the majority who attend the Squares don't wear mask's. What wonderful people who do this and they are our hero's.:bigbow:

Going My Way
10-16-2020, 09:37 AM
Abuse of the system is fueled by free tickets. If a stipend fee of something like $2.00 were charged people would likely not purchase them for an event that they didn't plan to attend. If the pool of stipend money was then raffled off as gift certificates to the merchants who pay for entertainment (less a small administrative fee) the abuse just might stop and the merchants would get traffic that the entertainment was designed to bring.

Selling Tickets will "open a can of worms"....

graciegirl
10-16-2020, 09:43 AM
You're right, of course. Truth be told I was probably at least 6 feet away. Besides, I wasn't coughing sneezing, and spraying my words, and also had tested negative several days earlier. I would never put anyone in harm's way, the medical doctrine is "primum non nocere"--which means first, do no harm. But you had to be there to see what this guy was doing, really over the top. When he left, the woman thanked me for stopping his barrage.
However, I will stick with my use of pathetic----to take action for the sole purpose of trying to control others deserves such a label

Doc, I have almost deified M.D.s all of my life. It is comforting to see that even people I extoll are sometimes impatient and human. I don't know who you yelled at in this instance, because I didn't dutifully read back all of the posts to see who is mad at who, but I sure as hell don't want you ever to think I am pathetic.

People who are raised a certain way think all people who are outspoken are pathetic. I have learned so many things about human behavior and how geographic group behaviors differ from each other since moving here.

I can't remember a time in my life when I have been so frustrated at finding valid health information, and yet I know this world is still in the "gathering facts" part of the scientific method.

I think the world is learning a lot of important things from this highly unusual forced pause in our activities. I hope the parents know their little ones better after this is all over. I wonder if we are learning more about ourselves as well.

I know this; It is another beautiful day in The Villages.

oldtimes
10-16-2020, 09:50 AM
So the answer to the question "Are people really that petty?" is yes.

graciegirl
10-16-2020, 10:01 AM
So the answer to the question "Are people really that petty?" is yes.

BUT.....It isn't looting and burning. (as a means of protest)

I guess that is a positive, right??

P.S. I didn't.

Bogie Shooter
10-16-2020, 11:24 AM
BUT.....It isn't looting and burning. (as a means of protest)

I guess that is a positive, right??

P.S. I didn't.

:what:

EdFNJ
10-16-2020, 11:29 AM
First Amendment. It does not stipulate that one must use warm and fuzzy verbiage. And it does not prohibit rude and obnoxious language. But, it does say you have Freedom of Speech by prohibiting the limiting of speech. You quite obviously missed the entire point of that response. Feel free to act "rude and obnoxious" as it is a constitutional right. ;)

golfing eagles
10-16-2020, 12:05 PM
Doc, I have almost deified M.D.s all of my life. It is comforting to see that even people I extoll are sometimes impatient and human. I don't know who you yelled at in this instance, because I didn't dutifully read back all of the posts to see who is mad at who, but I sure as hell don't want you ever to think I am pathetic.

People who are raised a certain way think all people who are outspoken are pathetic. I have learned so many things about human behavior and how geographic group behaviors differ from each other since moving here.

I can't remember a time in my life when I have been so frustrated at finding valid health information, and yet I know this world is still in the "gathering facts" part of the scientific method.

I think the world is learning a lot of important things from this highly unusual forced pause in our activities. I hope the parents know their little ones better after this is all over. I wonder if we are learning more about ourselves as well.

I know this; It is another beautiful day in The Villages.

GG, you are far from pathetic. I highly doubt you have been sucking up passes to the squares and destroying them in an attempt to control other people's lives---they are the pathetic ones. I also doubt you intentionally drive 30 mph. in the left lane to impose a speed restriction on others that the law does not recognize.
As far as the mailboxes go, the idiot in the cart was yelling at a woman, I simply went over and in a calm voice invited him to start yelling at me, albeit with a mildly threatening body posture. He got the message and the woman was quite relieved.
Stay well

coffeebean
10-16-2020, 12:35 PM
You can get your free passes at the box offices at each square or you can get them online at Villages Entertainment. You should get them in advance because they restrict how many they give out. Also they are letting people in with out passes after 6:00PM. How many they will let in then depends on the count of people already inside. They have set a maximum .

Wonder what The Villages will do if the square is full and a couple show up with tickets at 8:00 PM. Will they be denied entry?

coffeebean
10-16-2020, 12:36 PM
I have heard some conspiracy theories about contact tracing from people who I have always respected. I have always thought medical contact tracing was a very good thing and still do. A lot of folks here think it is a "restraint of freedom" or a "dangerous thing".

No matter my politics, I stand with Science. This little ******* is killing people and I want to continue to live in my lovely home with my treasured husband and daughter and paint my pictures and cut back my roses and swim in my pool and enjoy all the great things on Acorn T.V. My cats want me to live to.

I am pretty sure about the cats.

Well then again who knows what they are thinking....got a pretty nasty look from Mikey when he found his Tuna bowl empty...

Gracie....you are such a hoot!

Polar Bear
10-16-2020, 01:36 PM
... My cats want me to live to.

I am pretty sure about the cats.

Well then again who knows what they are thinking....got a pretty nasty look from Mikey when he found his Tuna bowl empty...
“_My_ cats”???

Come on, GG. If you’re a true cat lover you know that cats don’t have owners...they have staff!! :D

Pettys1
10-16-2020, 03:27 PM
Would surprise me there's slot if village idiots... For them live in your bubble.. Most want a normal life

OrangeBlossomBaby
10-16-2020, 06:03 PM
Solution: charge for tickets ($100 each cash) and then issue a refund upon arrival. Event is still free to those who wish to enjoy it. Give the unclaimed refunds to charity.

It doesn't have to be that much. I'm still convinced (and haven't read anything here to change my mind yet) that people get these tickets because they're free, even if they never had any plans on going or intention to make plans to go. Free = old_person's_wet_dream.

Even if you require a $5 deposit, it's enough. Plus, remember these events at the town squares are open to the public - not just seniors living in the Villages. There are families who might ACTUALLY want to attend, and can't afford to deposit $400 for a family of 4, for something that's supposed to be free. But they might be able to put down $20 for the same number of people. And if Junior gets breaks his ankle skateboarding in the driveway and the family has to stay home, they're only out $20 and not the equivalent of a whole paycheck (or more in some cases).

Moderator
10-17-2020, 01:10 AM
Thread closed due to multiple directed posts.