Was Sturgis motorcycle rally a superspreader event?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/17/sturgis-rally-spread/


Interesting to ponder the potential possibility!

[Mortal1]

If you base your question on a questionable news source any answer could be correct...or wrong. They base their conclusions on how much fear it can spread.

[PugMom]

we attended a super spreader Trump rally in Ocala. it was great, had lots of fun, sunshine & no masks~! none of us sick yet, will keep you posted, lol

[graciegirl]

If you base your question on a questionable news source any answer could be correct...or wrong. They base their conclusions on how much fear it can spread.

I own a red hat that is popular around here. However, The Washington Post is dependable with facts, as is The New York Times, Reuters, AP wire, and The Guardian. Their opinion writers all have opinions frequently contrary to mine, but they are considered by most to be responsible with valid information. They are all decidedly slanted left.

[Going My Way]

The Washington Post is dependable with facts, as is The New York Times,, Their opinion writers all have opinions frequently contrary to mine, but they are considered by most to be responsible.
I had to read that ten (10) time to believe my eyes..
These two (2) papers have more Retractions and Apologies then any other news paper in this country. They actually should go into the toilet paper business with the stuff they print.

[Moderator]

Please don't turn this into an argument about media sources.

Please address the content of the article quoted by the OP.

Moderator

[Topspinmo]

I own a red hat that is popular around here. However, The Washington Post is dependable with facts, as is The New York Times, Reuters, AP wire, and The Guardian. Their opinion writers all have opinions frequently contrary to mine, but they are considered by most to be responsible.

LOL, now that’s funny.

[Topspinmo]

we attended a super spreader Trump rally in Ocala. it was great, had lots of fun, sunshine & no masks~! none of us sick yet, will keep you posted, lol


Did bring whistle and box of matches? :coolsmiley:

[graciegirl]

we attended a super spreader Trump rally in Ocala. it was great, had lots of fun, sunshine & no masks~! none of us sick yet, will keep you posted, lol

I hope you don't get sick. A lot of people that were keeping low are out and about. Yesterday I heard of two people I know well sick with Covid. Well one, a Villager, her daughter, who doesn't live here is in the hospital with Covid pneumonia.

I am sad to read that the vaccine may be delayed until Spring.

I don't want anyone to get it, especially our wonderful group of seventy or better.

[Bucco]

I hope you don't get sick. A lot of people that were keeping low are out and about. Yesterday I heard of two people I know well sick with Covid. Well one, a Villager, her daughter, who doesn't live here is in the hospital with Covid pneumonia.

I am sad to read that the vaccine may be delayed until Spring.

I don't want anyone to get it, especially our wonderful group of seventy or better.

Was it ever going to be earlier ? Who said it might be earlier ? Samebfolks who have lied about every aspect of this virus.

I think that "delayed" is a wrong term to use.

[manaboutown]

There have been several super spreader events. This one may have been the first sizable one that unknowingly sent the China virus all over the country and perhaps to other parts of the world. A Festival for Black Skiers in Idaho Became a Coronavirus Nightmare - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-festival-for-black-skiers-in-idaho-became-a-coronavirus-nightmare-11585992600)

[justjim]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/17/sturgis-rally-spread/


Interesting to ponder the potential possibility!

Op, It appears that you may have answered your own question. It is highly likely a large group like was in Sturgis probably did spread the virus but we don’t really have anyway to track such a large diverse group like was at this motorcycle rally.

[Hoosierb4]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/17/sturgis-rally-spread/


Interesting to ponder the potential possibility!

Looking at data and maps of coronavirus activity (New York Times does a good job of showing it), it sure appears that it was a superspreader. North and South Dakota are among the hottest of the hot spots, along with most neighboring states. The entire upper midwest is in trouble.

[Leadbone1]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/17/sturgis-rally-spread/


Interesting to ponder the potential possibility!

Who cares? Not worried about it. You can’t hide from a virus! Europe is finding that out! Everyone that hid in their homes for months are now getting it, but hospitalizations and death rates are low. We know a lot more about Covid now and have several options to treat it.

[MandoMan]

I own a red hat that is popular around here. However, The Washington Post is dependable with facts, as is The New York Times, Reuters, AP wire, and The Guardian. Their opinion writers all have opinions frequently contrary to mine, but they are considered by most to be responsible with valid information. They are all decidedly slanted left.

I agree with you. If I know a paper’s slant, I can take that into account where necessary, but I think it’s irrational to watch or read news sources that are deliberately spreading falsehood that is causing us to hate each other or that is wrong (and by that I mean news sources from both the right and the left). I may not agree with the slant of the New York Times, but they DO gather facts and try to be accurate within the slant. And of course lots of articles are not slanted. If the Times posts corrections, good! If they make a mistake, they correct it and let us know. If they refuse to follow the “party line” from Washington, good! That’s what we should all do, isn’t it? But they work very hard to avoid making factual errors. I read it online every day, though there are some columnists I avoid and some articles I skip.

Here’s an article from yesterday’s Times about companies that pretend to be newspapers but aren’t really. If, say, you own a company, you can pay these “newspapers” $20 or so, and the next day some writer will call you, ask you the questions you want, then quickly write an article that gives ONLY your point of view on something and praises your leadership. I call that public relations of a dishonest kind, not journalism, yet many readers don’t realize that these “newspapers” are phoney. It seems to me that an article like the one below does all Americans a service. I would be concerned about anyone who would refuse to read it because it is in The Times.
As Local News Dies, a Pay-for-Play Network Rises in Its Place - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/technology/timpone-local-news-metric-media.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20201019&instance_id=23263&nl=todaysheadlines&regi_id=58623110&segment_id=41462&user_id=025ec4a03ccfc15efcd68d00b480f13b)

[ruralgoddess]

Who cares? Not worried about it. You can’t hide from a virus! Europe is finding that out! Everyone that hid in their homes for months are now getting it, but hospitalizations and death rates are low. We know a lot more about Covid now and have several options to treat it.
Herd immunity should take care of everything? At the cost of millions of Americans' lives .....

[ruralgoddess]

If you base your question on a questionable news source any answer could be correct...or wrong. They base their conclusions on how much fear it can spread.
The same could be said for Fox News.

[nick demis]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/17/sturgis-rally-spread/


Interesting to ponder the potential possibility!

The press is using unsubstantiated numbers. As of about a month weeks ago the government number was that a total of 37 people had contracted it within a 3 week period after the end of the rally and those could have gotten it anywhere on the trip to and from the rally. Time to stop the fear mongering.

[diane reynolds]

Guess you are not familiar with the time of covid's incubation period.

[8notes]

I believe the scientists. Researchers from John Hopkins said that the Sturgis event caused a large increase in Covid cases.

[LoisR]

The same could be said for Fox News.
Definition of a "questionable" news source: what I don't want to hear.

[mydavid]

The question is will the one that spreads the most falsehoods be the one that gets re-elected

[rlcooper70]

Denying Stugis was a super spreader event is like denying climate change. All the data is clear.

[Jazzman]

I hope you don't get sick. A lot of people that were keeping low are out and about. Yesterday I heard of two people I know well sick with Covid. Well one, a Villager, her daughter, who doesn't live here is in the hospital with Covid pneumonia.

I am sad to read that the vaccine may be delayed until Spring.

I don't want anyone to get it, especially our wonderful group of seventy or better.

The major pharma companies are already stockpiling vaccines that are in current phase two and phase three trials in anticipation of expected and validated results. Once approved the vaccines will be distributed and forwarded to those institutions that have been identified by the federal government as phase 1 distributors. Phase one recipients are health care workers, first responders etc and nursing home residents Phase two are those considered senior citizens. At the moment it is pretty certain that one manufacturer will meet all requirements and obtain FDA sign off before year end. Others in January. The distribution process has already been identified Many if the major news outlets and social media are not providing real information, they are providing their opinion.

[greenflash245]

for sure.

[Waltdisney4life]

No, they were protestors and dr fauci told us that protestors do not spread the virus!

[allsport]

And you have about 2 weeks to see if that is truth or fiction. It does not happen instantly and another super spreader event went on last week in Daytona. You just cannot fix stupid.

[ron32162]

I have not read anywhere all the blm protest and antifa protest turned out to be a super spreader event so why would you think sturgis event would?

[PugMom]

I hope you don't get sick. A lot of people that were keeping low are out and about. Yesterday I heard of two people I know well sick with Covid. Well one, a Villager, her daughter, who doesn't live here is in the hospital with Covid pneumonia.

I am sad to read that the vaccine may be delayed until Spring.

I don't want anyone to get it, especially our wonderful group of seventy or better.

thank you, but to be fair, there is a high probability i have already been exposed to some form. i was employed in animal care, for YEARS of sick pets & wildlife. corona is basically an animal disease-i have no doubt some of those wild critters or pet cats had some form of it @ 1 time or another:pray:

[graciegirl]

It isn't just in the United States;

Tough restrictions hit Europe as COVID cases spike (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tough-restrictions-hit-europe-as-covid-cases-spike/vi-BB1adb30?ocid=msedgdhp)

[Blackbird45]

The question should not be if these events are super spreader, but if people should attend.

Before this motorcycle rally there were a number of people stood in front of cameras stating it was their lives and they were willing to take the risk.

I support this view 110% with one caveat. Anyone taking this position should have to sign a waver if they get the virus, they will quarantine for 2 weeks no matter how sick they get.

They should not be allowed to infect anyone who was not willing to take this risk.
They rolled the dice they live great, if they die so be it.

[KRM0614]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/17/sturgis-rally-spread/


Interesting to ponder the potential possibility!
No it wasn’t stop watching crap on cnn

[Snowprint]

If you base your question on a questionable news source any answer could be correct...or wrong. They base their conclusions on how much fear it can spread.

Since when has the Washington Post been a “questionable source”? The answer is NEVER! The only folks who always rail against it & the New York Times are purveyors of lies that always call facts “fake news”. The most prominent is Fox News who hungrily promote Russian disinformation and praise congenital liars. It’s clear, without any doubt, that Sturgis WAS a super spreader event just like the Amy Comey Barrett introduction at the White House. Anyone who disputes that is either lying or an idiot. It doesn’t matter if you’re wealthy either. You can still be a moron with a lot of money. Stop attacking the messenger! It’s an ad hominem argument that is only used by those who can’t dispute the truth, so they resort to talking about anything but the issue. The Post, along with the New York Times, is a blazing lighthouse in the thickest fog seen since the days of the Nixon administration. We also had the same kind of liars then. Remember Spiro Agnew’s constant attacks on the “media”? He was a stone cold criminal and, I believe, we have a much more brazen mob of criminals now. The big difference is that this group of criminals has a news outlet, Fox News, that embraces lying to Americans.
I notice a lot of posts on this site that rail against the “media” instead of presenting a cogent rebuttal. That’s what Fox News does! Fox News scrambles your brain to the point that you are no longer able to even think. Arguing that Sturgis was NOT a super spreader event is not only wrong, it’s ludicrous.

[jimjamuser]

we attended a super spreader Trump rally in Ocala. it was great, had lots of fun, sunshine & no masks~! none of us sick yet, will keep you posted, lol
LOL huh? A certain small % of those attendees at ALL the large group rallies for ANY reason (especially older people) will not be LOL ing. They will LOL to their grave! ........Good luck to you!

[Alaska Butch]

Hi. The problem is everyone will get it. Just like the flu, this virus will move throughoit the population eventually exposing everyone. Most will never know. Some will get fluish etc and some will require hospitalization. A slightly higher percentage than flu but worse for elderly folks. TV population is very vulnerable so it is suggested we observe all the measures to protect ourselves vigorously.

[jimjamuser]

I hope you don't get sick. A lot of people that were keeping low are out and about. Yesterday I heard of two people I know well sick with Covid. Well one, a Villager, her daughter, who doesn't live here is in the hospital with Covid pneumonia.

I am sad to read that the vaccine may be delayed until Spring.

I don't want anyone to get it, especially our wonderful group of seventy or better.
Cases will rise to 70,000 per day by Jan. The vaccine will NOT be distributed until later in 2021. Many will NOT take it. CV will be around for 3 or 4 years. Google Dr. Michael Osterholm and Laurie Garrett to check it out.

[jimjamuser]

Who cares? Not worried about it. You can’t hide from a virus! Europe is finding that out! Everyone that hid in their homes for months are now getting it, but hospitalizations and death rates are low. We know a lot more about Covid now and have several options to treat it.
It worked for Australia, New Zealand, Japan and other Asia countries. Germany did OK. Google it,

[jimjamuser]

Since when has the Washington Post been a “questionable source”? The answer is NEVER! The only folks who always rail against it & the New York Times are purveyors of lies that always call facts “fake news”. The most prominent is Fox News who hungrily promote Russian disinformation and praise congenital liars. It’s clear, without any doubt, that Sturgis WAS a super spreader event just like the Amy Comey Barrett introduction at the White House. Anyone who disputes that is either lying or an idiot. It doesn’t matter if you’re wealthy either. You can still be a moron with a lot of money. Stop attacking the messenger! It’s an ad hominem argument that is only used by those who can’t dispute the truth, so they resort to talking about anything but the issue. The Post, along with the New York Times, is a blazing lighthouse in the thickest fog seen since the days of the Nixon administration. We also had the same kind of liars then. Remember Spiro Agnew’s constant attacks on the “media”? He was a stone cold criminal and, I believe, we have a much more brazen mob of criminals now. The big difference is that this group of criminals has a news outlet, Fox News, that embraces lying to Americans.
I notice a lot of posts on this site that rail against the “media” instead of presenting a cogent rebuttal. That’s what Fox News does! Fox News scrambles your brain to the point that you are no longer able to even think. Arguing that Sturgis was NOT a super spreader event is not only wrong, it’s ludicrous.
Exactly correct. The US is awash in propaganda. Social media increases the fog. It takes work to pull out the truth. Truth like the Sturgis Rally aftermath gets obscured.

[Bucco]

Cases will rise to 70,000 per day by Jan. The vaccine will NOT be distributed until later in 2021. Many will NOT take it. CV will be around for 3 or 4 years. Google Dr. Michael Osterholm and Laurie Garrett to check it out.


Government misinformation aside, this is pretty much a summation of where the experts come down and always have....


"Even if the most optimistic projections hold true and a COVID-19 vaccine is cleared for U.S. use in November, the vast majority of Americans won’t be able to get the shots until spring or summer next year at the earliest."

COVID vaccine: Experts share timeline for when most Americans will get access | Fortune (https://fortune.com/2020/08/11/covid-vaccine-when-timeline-progress-access-rollout/)\

There was never ever a "delay"

[cherylncliff]

Basically, there is almost no contact tracing occurring in the US and that is especially true for large events. In March, CDC estimated a need for 100,000 contact tracers. The federal government under trump committed to supply 600 and have not even met that number. The reality is that cases are spiking.