Are Villagers / elderly being Ripped-Off

[FG111]

After living here in The Villages, I have noticed that many salesman / companies appear to over charge those of us who live here in The Villages.

Generally speaking, "some" of the landscaping people servicing The Villages are scam artist. I was quoted 40% more for palm trees versus purchasing the same trees on my own in Ocala.
The large exterminating companies generally servicing The Villages are much more expensive than obtaining extermination services from the surrounding area.
The local Honda dealership attempted to overcharge me an extra $1500 for a new vehicle and when I stated that I could purchase the same vehicle cheaper in Orlando, the salesman cited that I could afford the higher price since I was a Villager. The same salesman also cited; why drive an extra 90 minutes to save $1500 since as an older person the extra driving to a large city could be dangerous due to my age. ( I'm 61 )
I attempted to use a franchised floor cleaning company and when I attempted to use the coupon codes generally found online, I was told discount codes generally allowed to the rest of the state of Florida was not permitted for those who live in The Villages.
I purchase a new Golf Cart just 60 miles from here and the same exact cart sold in The Villages was almost $1800 more.
In my opinion, it seems to me that many companies servicing The Villages take advantage of the elderly when it comes to pricing.

[Dana1963]

After living here in The Villages, I have noticed that many salesman / companies appear to over charge those of us who live here in The Villages.

Generally speaking, "some" of the landscaping people servicing The Villages are scam artist. I was quoted 40% more for palm trees versus purchasing the same trees on my own in Ocala.
The large exterminating companies generally servicing The Villages are much more expensive than obtaining extermination services from the surrounding area.
The local Honda dealership attempted to overcharge me an extra $1500 for a new vehicle and when I stated that I could purchase the same vehicle cheaper in Orlando, the salesman cited that I could afford the higher price since I was a Villager. The same salesman also cited; why drive an extra 90 minutes to save $1500 since as an older person the extra driving to a large city could be dangerous due to my age. ( I'm 61 )
I attempted to use a franchised floor cleaning company and when I attempted to use the coupon codes generally found online, I was told discount codes generally allowed to the rest of the state of Florida was not permitted for those who live in The Villages.
I purchase a new Golf Cart just 60 miles from here and the same exact cart sold in The Villages was almost $1800 more.
In my opinion, it seems to me that many companies servicing The Villages take advantage of the elderly when it comes to pricing.
You caught on quick. We also have experienced over charging on automotive and other consumer services except tv’s. It's worth getting out of the BUBBLE for major purchases. Our last 2 vehicles have been purchased in Orlando with substantial saving it's a 1 hour drive.

[FG111]

You caught on quick. We also have experienced over charging on automotive and other consumer services except tv’s. It's worth getting out of the BUBBLE for major purchases. Our last 2 vehicles have been purchased in Orlando with substantial saving it's a 1 hour drive.

I caught on quick---I assume this practice of overcharging the elderly / those living in The Villages is something that's been going on for some time...
Then that's the fault of prior villagers who have allowed this practice of overcharge to continue. As a newbie, my business is going outside The Villages.....

[New Englander]

After living here in The Villages, I have noticed that many salesman / companies appear to over charge those of us who live here in The Villages.

Generally speaking, "some" of the landscaping people servicing The Villages are scam artist. I was quoted 40% more for palm trees versus purchasing the same trees on my own in Ocala.
The large exterminating companies generally servicing The Villages are much more expensive than obtaining extermination services from the surrounding area.
The local Honda dealership attempted to overcharge me an extra $1500 for a new vehicle and when I stated that I could purchase the same vehicle cheaper in Orlando, the salesman cited that I could afford the higher price since I was a Villager. The same salesman also cited; why drive an extra 90 minutes to save $1500 since as an older person the extra driving to a large city could be dangerous due to my age. ( I'm 61 )
I attempted to use a franchised floor cleaning company and when I attempted to use the coupon codes generally found online, I was told discount codes generally allowed to the rest of the state of Florida was not permitted for those who live in The Villages.
I purchase a new Golf Cart just 60 miles from here and the same exact cart sold in The Villages was almost $1800 more.
In my opinion, it seems to me that many companies servicing The Villages take advantage of the elderly when it comes to pricing.

I had a similar experience with Jenkins. I didn't buy from them.

[mgkw1]

We went to Ocala for our car. Was cheaper than Leesburg

[FG111]

We went to Ocala for our car. Was cheaper than Leesburg

I'm amazed that some people will spend 60 minutes in Publix reviewing their purchases in order to save an extra ten dollars, but will neglect to do their own investigating and fail to travel to different car dealerships in order to shop for the cheapest price on a new car and blindly settle for the price the first dealer offers them....

[Going My Way]

I paid for a hot dog, small amount of freedom fries and a coke $11.50 plus tip, thought that was to much but what can we do beside order it again somewhere else...

[Purple-J]

After living here in The Villages, I have noticed that many salesman / companies appear to over charge those of us who live here in The Villages.

Generally speaking, "some" of the landscaping people servicing The Villages are scam artist. I was quoted 40% more for palm trees versus purchasing the same trees on my own in Ocala.
The large exterminating companies generally servicing The Villages are much more expensive than obtaining extermination services from the surrounding area.
The local Honda dealership attempted to overcharge me an extra $1500 for a new vehicle and when I stated that I could purchase the same vehicle cheaper in Orlando, the salesman cited that I could afford the higher price since I was a Villager. The same salesman also cited; why drive an extra 90 minutes to save $1500 since as an older person the extra driving to a large city could be dangerous due to my age. ( I'm 61 )
I attempted to use a franchised floor cleaning company and when I attempted to use the coupon codes generally found online, I was told discount codes generally allowed to the rest of the state of Florida was not permitted for those who live in The Villages.
I purchase a new Golf Cart just 60 miles from here and the same exact cart sold in The Villages was almost $1800 more.
In my opinion, it seems to me that many companies servicing The Villages take advantage of the elderly when it comes to pricing.

Jeez - how old was the salesman...12?? I'm 61 as well and I probably would have popped him good for considering me an 'older person'. (That's my Brooklyn coming out) Then I'd go to Orlando for my car! :1rotfl:

[Villagevip]

Without question we are marks, sitting pigeons...Could have sued certain ubiquitous little white trucks with a green stripes running around T.V. for fraud..Charged $1200. for two hours of imaginary ghost work..On and on...Head on a swivel, around here...

[Velvet]

Isn’t the thinking “Since you can’t take it with you, ya old geezer, you might as well share it with me?” Problem is some in TV have worked all their lives to have a few golden years, the salesman’s turn will come if they do the same. People have money in the first place because they have looked after it usually, so why would they change just because they are older?

[dewilson58]

Villagers worked all their lives, saved money and are living the dream.


They did not turn stupid once they arrived.


Speaking of stupid, thinking otherwise.


:clap2:

[PennBF]

Seniors vs Crime is a special project of the Florida Attorney General and it has files full of "Rip Off's" of Seniors and Non Seniors. That's why it makes a lot of sense to call them before hiring a Contractor or Landscaper, etc etc before signing up!! There are some with many multiple scams, etc and yet they still get lots of new customers. It's best to use TOTV for recommendation's then call Senior's vs Crime to determine if they have any records on them and then if appropriate hire them. :popcorn:

[Bogie Shooter]

i caught on quick---i assume this practice of overcharging the elderly / those living in the villages is something that's been going on for some time...
Then that's the fault of prior villagers who have allowed this practice of overcharge to continue. as a newbie, my business is going outside the villages.....

wow!
So glad you arrived to save us.......

[vintageogauge]

I've bought two new cars since moving here in 2017 one from Jenkin's Honda in Leesburg and the other from Phillips Buick in I believe Lady Laker or Fruitland Park. I researched the MSRP and available incentives on both before purchasing, went in with my absolute max price I would pay "out the door" Phillips actually gave me a better deal than I was looking for, Jenkin's gave the car to me for what I offered but it took several hours of seeing who wore out first, I finally told them I was leaving and would not be back, they accepted it.. I would prefer to buy locally but if they had not at least accepted the price I had in mind I would have walked. I really haven't seen restaurants and stores with high Villages prices except for the cost of cocktails, they vary greatly for the same product and at some restaurants they are extremely high so I won't order cocktails in those establishments.

[JoMar]

Why are we blaming the vendors for trying to make as much money as they can.....is there a rule someplace that limits what they can charge? Didn't the business you worked for or work for do the same thing? As long as the customers will pay the rate they will charge the rate. WE control that. Some will exercise that control, evidently the majority here view it differently. Competition controls pricing and pricing is determined by what customers are willing to pay. I don't view it as they taking advantage of seniors, I view it as seniors making choices that fits their lifestyle, and sometimes that's paying more for local convenience.

[FG111]

Why are we blaming the vendors for trying to make as much money as they can.....is there a rule someplace that limits what they can charge? Didn't the business you worked for or work for do the same thing? As long as the customers will pay the rate they will charge the rate. WE control that. Some will exercise that control, evidently the majority here view it differently. Competition controls pricing and pricing is determined by what customers are willing to pay. I don't view it as they taking advantage of seniors, I view it as seniors making choices that fits their lifestyle, and sometimes that's paying more for local convenience.

Somewhat agree except many merchants make it a concerted effort in attempting to charge as much as possible to those residing from The Villages. If I followed your logic, would it be okay for Walmart to charge more in neighborhoods where the clientele where minorities / less educated who didn't fully understand the free market ???

Some of the elderly population residing here in The Villages who are also financial secure may have diminished mental capacity or are vulnerable to slick salesmen.

[dewilson58]

wow!
So glad you arrived to save us.......
:bigbow:

[dewilson58]

[QUOTE=JoMar;1850527]Why are we blaming the vendors for trying to make as much money as they can.....[QUOTE]




We aren't.



Just a pot-stirrer.

[Velvet]

Why are we blaming the vendors for trying to make as much money as they can.....is there a rule someplace that limits what they can charge? Didn't the business you worked for or work for do the same thing? As long as the customers will pay the rate they will charge the rate. WE control that. Some will exercise that control, evidently the majority here view it differently. Competition controls pricing and pricing is determined by what customers are willing to pay. I don't view it as they taking advantage of seniors, I view it as seniors making choices that fits their lifestyle, and sometimes that's paying more for local convenience.

I agree, this is the basic free market economics argument...based on survival of the fittest...but.... as long as the business is not counting on the elderly to be too weak mentally due to dementia, or physically (can’t drive further) to get the same service etc because that is being ageist, and taking advantage. Because that is abuse.

[Marathon Man]

I caught on quick---I assume this practice of overcharging the elderly / those living in The Villages is something that's been going on for some time...
Then that's the fault of prior villagers who have allowed this practice of overcharge to continue. As a newbie, my business is going outside The Villages.....

This is a little harsh, don't you think? Perhaps a lot of people are willing to pay more for convienience and keeping shopping easy. Doesn't make them foolish or at fault.

[dewilson58]

I caught on quick---.




Not quick enough.................you purchased an over priced house.


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[CoachKandSportsguy]

Not quick enough.................you purchased an over priced house.

Geez, you don't really have to twist the knife after stabbing him, now do you?

:boxing2:

[claricecolin]

This is a little harsh, don't you think? Perhaps a lot of people are willing to pay more for convienience and keeping shopping easy. Doesn't make them foolish or at fault.

I have to agree with that. My parents, now just Dad, were willing to pay for convenience. Dad is now in assisted living, still in The Villages, and there have been still a few instances where the convenience has been worth the cost.

[RedChariot]

Not quick enough.................you purchased an over priced house.


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And you didn't??

[Velvet]

This is one reason why we use TOTV. The power of social media! The members post their experiences with services and providers: 95% of my service providers and things I do in TV is influenced (not determined) by what I read on this site. I am careful as to whose advice I follow. Some people on TOTV are altruistic and helpful, especially if you are a newbie. I also try to share my experiences with you guys and hope that it is of use.

[FG111]

[QUOTE=JoMar;1850527]Why are we blaming the vendors for trying to make as much money as they can.....[QUOTE]


We aren't.
Just a pot-stirrer.

To dewilson58 - Sir

Why do you dislike me so much ?
Have I done anything to upset you ?
I haven't done anything to you.
I'll be the adult and apologize to you if you honestly believe I have been rude to you.
Now please let it be......

[dewilson58]

And you didn't??


I did pay a premium for the LifeStyle.
I was well aware what other developments were charging, both in Florida & AZ.
I made the decision.
BUT
I don't come on ToTV and say the area businesses are ripping off old people, taking advantage of them and blame prior Villagers for presumed problem.


:ho:

[CoachKandSportsguy]

@dewilson. . . i should have put a ROLF but i didn't see it.

@fg111 - so your post reads like you are whining, like you want the same prices everywhere, just because you can prove that prices are cheaper elsewhere. So the world isn't fair by your standard. However, you don't have to pay those prices, you just have to shop around. So the free market works if everyone puts in the extra effort like you did, and bought outside the villages, and then the local vendor would match the prices. However, evidently that isn't happening, because TV is a relatively wealthy population as compared to the surrounding rural farm land cities and towns.

So you may not be able to afford or believe that you want to spend at the same level as the other TVs. fine, you just have to do more work to save the money. However, there is a cost to your time, and you might have a lower value on your time than others. Lower value means that spending the extra time is less expensive than the money you can save by shopping elsewhere. For example, to save $100 and shopping around, including driving back and forth, gas, and telephone time, took 5 hours, or you value your time less than $20 an hour to make an economic decision.

If I value my time at $50 an hour, the 5 hours of time = $250 and spending that much time isn't worth it to save $100. . . like wise, I value my time such that only large expensive items are worth spending time searching and negotiating. So as the item starts to climb in price, then I start to get interested in saving money, like on a new to me truck. . . at anywhere from $40-80K

Now don't ask a salesman to expect to know that you value your time less than everyone else who has walked in before you, and you can negotiate some prices, the larger the item, the more the price may be negotiable . . but don't whine and complain to a salesperson about his / her price. That's his or her living and responsibility. Just offer a lower price or keep shopping for your price point.

Also, don't dress like you have money or come from the villages, dress like you fit in to the world outside the villages. . . you might be surprised how much just that influences a sales rep.

sportsguy

[Topspinmo]

After living here in The Villages, I have noticed that many salesman / companies appear to over charge those of us who live here in The Villages.

Generally speaking, "some" of the landscaping people servicing The Villages are scam artist. I was quoted 40% more for palm trees versus purchasing the same trees on my own in Ocala.
The large exterminating companies generally servicing The Villages are much more expensive than obtaining extermination services from the surrounding area.
The local Honda dealership attempted to overcharge me an extra $1500 for a new vehicle and when I stated that I could purchase the same vehicle cheaper in Orlando, the salesman cited that I could afford the higher price since I was a Villager. The same salesman also cited; why drive an extra 90 minutes to save $1500 since as an older person the extra driving to a large city could be dangerous due to my age. ( I'm 61 )
I attempted to use a franchised floor cleaning company and when I attempted to use the coupon codes generally found online, I was told discount codes generally allowed to the rest of the state of Florida was not permitted for those who live in The Villages.
I purchase a new Golf Cart just 60 miles from here and the same exact cart sold in The Villages was almost $1800 more.
In my opinion, it seems to me that many companies servicing The Villages take advantage of the elderly when it comes to pricing.

I’m thinking about driving back to Ok. To purchase our next new vehicle. 3000 to 3500 dollar lot price differences than anywhere in Florida.

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=dewilson58;1850536][QUOTE=JoMar;1850527]Why are we blaming the vendors for trying to make as much money as they can.....

To dewilson58 - Sir

Why do you dislike me so much ?
Have I done anything to upset you ?
I haven't done anything to you.
I'll be the adult and apologize to you if you honestly believe I have been rude to you.
Now please let it be......

Good luck with that.:boom:

[CoachKandSportsguy]

I’m thinking about driving back to Ok. To purchase our next new vehicle. 3000 to 3500 dollar lot price differences than anywhere in Florida.

as a month of social security worth of savings, or equal to an annual real estate tax payment, probably very worthwhile!

sportsguy

[Topspinmo]

as a month of social security worth of savings, or equal to an annual real estate tax payment, probably very worthwhile!

sportsguy

Especially when I’ll be heading that way in few months.

[Nucky]

I'll betcha a Nickel that every one of those Salespeople who ripped off Villagers were CALORICALLY CHALLENGED. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Payback is a Something?? I forgot! :1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Stu from NYC]

In our previous city it was obvious that people thought you were well to do they should try and charge more. Kind of thought you made some money and than turned stupid.

Seems to work the same way here.

When we first arrived landscapers thought we would agree to pay 2-3x the going rate.

Just looked at them and said thank you and walked away. Found out what others were paying and got a recommendation and happy with the fellow we are using.

Same with other services.

Do not understand going to say a car dealership wanting to buy a car and having no idea about pricing.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I paid for a hot dog, small amount of freedom fries and a coke $11.50 plus tip, thought that was to much but what can we do beside order it again somewhere else...

You can buy a bag of little masher potatoes, a pack of good quality hotdogs, and two 2-litre bottles of coca cola, a pack of hotdog buns, a bottle of spicy brown mustard, an onion, and a jar of relish - for less than the cost of two of those dine-out dog lunches. And it'll be good for EIGHT hotdog lunches.

Plus you'll have mustard and relish left over for another 16 dogs.

[wisbad1]

After living here in The Villages, I have noticed that many salesman / companies appear to over charge those of us who live here in The Villages.

Generally speaking, "some" of the landscaping people servicing The Villages are scam artist. I was quoted 40% more for palm trees versus purchasing the same trees on my own in Ocala.
The large exterminating companies generally servicing The Villages are much more expensive than obtaining extermination services from the surrounding area.
The local Honda dealership attempted to overcharge me an extra $1500 for a new vehicle and when I stated that I could purchase the same vehicle cheaper in Orlando, the salesman cited that I could afford the higher price since I was a Villager. The same salesman also cited; why drive an extra 90 minutes to save $1500 since as an older person the extra driving to a large city could be dangerous due to my age. ( I'm 61 )
I attempted to use a franchised floor cleaning company and when I attempted to use the coupon codes generally found online, I was told discount codes generally allowed to the rest of the state of Florida was not permitted for those who live in The Villages.
I purchase a new Golf Cart just 60 miles from here and the same exact cart sold in The Villages was almost $1800 more.
In my opinion, it seems to me that many companies servicing The Villages take advantage of the elderly when it comes to pricing.
Village price, know exactly what you mean. Sad.

[Kgcetm]

Many companies do over charge. For repairs and additions We get three estimates and then make an offer. Lawn service including mowing, fertilizer and insect care are pretty outrageous. If i nee other services i ask for information on Nextdoor.

[camaguey48]

I'm amazed that some people will spend 60 minutes in Publix reviewing their purchases in order to save an extra ten dollars, but will neglect to do their own investigating and fail to travel to different car dealerships in order to shop for the cheapest price on a new car and blindly settle for the price the first dealer offers them....
Buy a car no more than 3 years old. Look into rental cars that car rental companies want to move. There are great deals available.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

@FG111 should have his membership revoked at the "The Friendliest Home Town" for a complaining about vendors servicing non commodity items to the economic engine in central florida.

[Rosebud1949]

In 13 years price have in some cases tripled, and the less wealthy are always last on the list. Vendors should remember that we put these businesses where they are when they started all those years ago and deserve the same service as others.

We often feel we are a nuisance to these companies and get second rate treatment, or our repairs and renovations are "too small" for them to bother.


After living here in The Villages, I have noticed that many salesman / companies appear to over charge those of us who live here in The Villages.

Generally speaking, "some" of the landscaping people servicing The Villages are scam artist. I was quoted 40% more for palm trees versus purchasing the same trees on my own in Ocala.
The large exterminating companies generally servicing The Villages are much more expensive than obtaining extermination services from the surrounding area.
The local Honda dealership attempted to overcharge me an extra $1500 for a new vehicle and when I stated that I could purchase the same vehicle cheaper in Orlando, the salesman cited that I could afford the higher price since I was a Villager. The same salesman also cited; why drive an extra 90 minutes to save $1500 since as an older person the extra driving to a large city could be dangerous due to my age. ( I'm 61 )
I attempted to use a franchised floor cleaning company and when I attempted to use the coupon codes generally found online, I was told discount codes generally allowed to the rest of the state of Florida was not permitted for those who live in The Villages.
I purchase a new Golf Cart just 60 miles from here and the same exact cart sold in The Villages was almost $1800 more.
In my opinion, it seems to me that many companies servicing The Villages take advantage of the elderly when it comes to pricing.

[J1ceasar]

You mean ten CENTS

[Dilligas]

This is simply the American Way......charge what the market will bear. It is not unique here...our homes cost more than small town Iowa, but far less than NYC or California. Competition determines price...more competitive in larger population areas. Think of how much you pay for lawn cutting versus up north. Enjoy it here, as unique as we are, we will pay what our market will bear.

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

We went to Ocala for our car. Was cheaper than Leesburg
The car in Leesburg and in Wildwood was much higher than in Ocala, and we had less hassle than with Phillips, Jenkins or the Chevrolet dealer in Wildwood. Saved a lot and was treated better without the “Bait and switch” that I experienced at Phillips. Would NEVER do business with dishonest people. My experience with them was awful. Yes there is overcharging to Villagers!!!! But is up to us not to do business with them. I certainly don’t.

[banjobob]

A well known fact , to save money go outside the “bubble” to get a deal. We pay a premium to live here in prices of houses also, same house on the outside thousands less.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I paid for a hot dog, small amount of freedom fries and a coke $11.50 plus tip, thought that was to much but what can we do beside order it again somewhere else... can’t keep up with all the villages boycotts

[La lamy]

After living here in The Villages, I have noticed that many salesman / companies appear to over charge those of us who live here in The Villages.

Generally speaking, "some" of the landscaping people servicing The Villages are scam artist. I was quoted 40% more for palm trees versus purchasing the same trees on my own in Ocala.
The large exterminating companies generally servicing The Villages are much more expensive than obtaining extermination services from the surrounding area.
The local Honda dealership attempted to overcharge me an extra $1500 for a new vehicle and when I stated that I could purchase the same vehicle cheaper in Orlando, the salesman cited that I could afford the higher price since I was a Villager. The same salesman also cited; why drive an extra 90 minutes to save $1500 since as an older person the extra driving to a large city could be dangerous due to my age. ( I'm 61 )
I attempted to use a franchised floor cleaning company and when I attempted to use the coupon codes generally found online, I was told discount codes generally allowed to the rest of the state of Florida was not permitted for those who live in The Villages.
I purchase a new Golf Cart just 60 miles from here and the same exact cart sold in The Villages was almost $1800 more.
In my opinion, it seems to me that many companies servicing The Villages take advantage of the elderly when it comes to pricing.

WHOA!!!!!

I just looked at a new pickleball paddle I'm looking to buy in The Villages and it was $30 more than I would pay in Canada. Couldn't understand why, now maybe I do. :ohdear:

[Blue Oval]

I retired from GM, so my vehicle prices are predetermined, only trade in is negotiable. THAT SAID, consider buying a vehicle through COSTCO. Their prices are very competitive and you will eliminate the greedy dealer salesmen. Most dealerships have online or internet buying services and you can compare 3 or 4 dealerships and negotiate without ever leaving your home.

[caljeff]

In my view, one of the drivers contributing to the higher prices experienced when one conducts business transactions with Villages merchants is the relatively high cost of doing business here in TV. Relatively higher (than outside TV) Space rents and the amount TV management extracts from the gross revenue of those businesses all contribute to the higher pricing one experiences. I was informed about the gross revenue aspect when I was conducting a general discussion with a Villages business owner and was a bit surprised.

Jus' sayin'.

[Sailohio]

The truth is ALL car dealerships try to maximize profit. (And probably all businesses.) The managers get fired if they don’t. The dealers further away realize if the price is the same you will buy locally so they make it worth your while to travel a little. As a consumer, we have to decide which is the most important to us, price or convenience. I, for one, buy my cars in Orlando. I was a sales manager for a car dealership the last ten years I worked.

[GOLFER54]

The mentally of some businesses feel that everyone in The Villages are rich,so therefore they can afford to pay more than others. I guess they didn’t realize our way of life here was probably done through 40 to 50 years of working long hard hours, probably six days a week, sacrificing and saving what we could so we can all enjoy our retirement years. Being taken advantage of will happen if you do not get estimates from at least six companies, do your homework and research on products you’re interested in buying, or word of mouth from other friends and neighbors before you purchase anything. Stay healthy and Good Luck.

[graciegirl]

If people have made it to be classified as "elderly" than they probably are less likely to be scammed...............however.

There are many book smart people who are not people smart. There are many financially successful people that make you wonder how they did it . There are a lot of people of every age that get taken in....hopefully only ONCE. There is one born every minute. A lot of how people negotiate the pitfalls has to do with both experience and scars.

There are a lot of people with big mouths who would do far better to keep them shut.

[joelfmi]

in NY nursing Homes from covid 19. . we need to speak about the way we are treated more offen.

[graciegirl]

in NY nursing Homes from covid 19. . we need to speak about the way we are treated more offen.

People who died in nursing homes didn't die because they were scammed. They were in nursing homes because they needed to be cared for and because of the highly contagious Covid-19 was carried to them before people realized that having visitors and checking staff for illness was crucial. They died in New York before everyone realized how dangerous nursing homes are now during the Pandemic.

No one scammed them. They sadly died because they were somewhere that became dangerous before we all knew it was dangerous and acted accordingly.

No one ever not once meant to endanger people in nursing homes.

[Going My Way]

Why are we blaming the vendors for trying to make as much money as they can.....is there a rule someplace that limits what they can charge? Didn't the business you worked for or work for do the same thing? As long as the customers will pay the rate they will charge the rate. WE control that. Some will exercise that control, evidently the majority here view it differently. Competition controls pricing and pricing is determined by what customers are willing to pay. I don't view it as they taking advantage of seniors, I view it as seniors making choices that fits their lifestyle, and sometimes that's paying more for local convenience.

That's not the point vendors trying to make money, it's the people that they target to inflate the product..

[bilcon]

Free Enterprise. The American Dream. Why not? They have a captive audience here. Most people are not going to drive 65 miles for service after they buy their car, so they buy locally. Wheel and Deal. The name of the game.

[Going My Way]

can’t keep up with all the villages boycotts

Sorry to hear that but its not my problem...... :ho:

[Going My Way]

No one ever not once meant to endanger people in nursing homes.
Are you sure of that? :eek:
Please don't tell that to the people who lost elderly ones in New York nursing homes....

[KRM0614]

After living here in The Villages, I have noticed that many salesman / companies appear to over charge those of us who live here in The Villages.

Generally speaking, "some" of the landscaping people servicing The Villages are scam artist. I was quoted 40% more for palm trees versus purchasing the same trees on my own in Ocala.
The large exterminating companies generally servicing The Villages are much more expensive than obtaining extermination services from the surrounding area.
The local Honda dealership attempted to overcharge me an extra $1500 for a new vehicle and when I stated that I could purchase the same vehicle cheaper in Orlando, the salesman cited that I could afford the higher price since I was a Villager. The same salesman also cited; why drive an extra 90 minutes to save $1500 since as an older person the extra driving to a large city could be dangerous due to my age. ( I'm 61 )
I attempted to use a franchised floor cleaning company and when I attempted to use the coupon codes generally found online, I was told discount codes generally allowed to the rest of the state of Florida was not permitted for those who live in The Villages.
I purchase a new Golf Cart just 60 miles from here and the same exact cart sold in The Villages was almost $1800 more.
In my opinion, it seems to me that many companies servicing The Villages take advantage of the elderly when it comes to pricing.
You are correct. It is true for everything. It’s not just the perception but all the business that are located on commercial land owned by the villages / Morse family costs more because they hose them for 20-30% more than other landlords ! Every excessive cost is passed onto homeowners. I’m not a golfer I’m alone wanted to meet people havent and I’m going to sell and move to a friendlier place and rent.

[dewilson58]

You are correct. It is true for everything. It’s not just the perception but all the business that are located on commercial land owned by the villages / Morse family costs more because they hose them for 20-30% more than other landlords ! Every excessive cost is passed onto homeowners. I’m not a golfer I’m alone wanted to meet people havent and I’m going to sell and move to a friendlier place and rent.


No car dealerships on Morse land.
No lawn service on Morse land.
Palm tree vendor on Morse land..............I think not.
Extermination services on Morse land........I think not.
Flooring companies, window washers, construction contractors....not seeing them.
Winn Dixie booze is cheaper that ABC.
Publix on 466a, not seeing cheaper prices than on 44.



:ohdear:

[FG111]

That's not the point vendors trying to make money, it's the people that they target to inflate the product..

My exact point and you summed it up perfectly in one line. Thxs.
When businesses raise consumer prices during a weather crisis, it is called gouging, which is illegal in most jurisdictions. When businesses raise consumer prices while targeting a specific group, such as the elderly or the infirmed, it may be construed as Financial Exploitation.

[tvbound]

Trying to take advantage of older individuals, with the hope that their cognitive abilities have declined, is nothing new as it happens everywhere. Any concentration of retired people is considered a 'target rich' environment by those who employ this type of deplorable behavior. Everyone should make an honest assessment of their own ability to negotiate and then think about using a reliable relative or friend, as an advocate to help evaluate the offer being presented - BEFORE signing on the dotted line. As the old adage goes, "no one can take advantage of you, unless you let them."

[kappy]

I leased a Hyundai Sonata at Jenkins in Ocala. The Leesburg dealership and the Claremont Hyundai dealer wanted much more than I ended up leasing for. Both the down payment and the 36 monthly payments were much lower in Ocala. The lease and monthly payments were the same as my 2012 Sonata which I leased in NJ. It proves that you do not have to pay the Florida Dealer Fees at every Florida dealership. Ask for Carolyn. We have two Hyundai Sonatas and one lease is due next month. Where will I go? Jenkins in Ocala, of course.

[haysus7]

Thank you for shutting that down

[seoulbrooks]

Correct! You learned quickly sir. Over priced and under serviced, but they are all great when you ask.

[FG111]

Trying to take advantage of older individuals, with the hope that their cognitive abilities have declined, is nothing new as it happens everywhere. Any concentration of retired people is considered a 'target rich' environment by those who employ this type of deplorable behavior. Everyone should make an honest assessment of their own ability to negotiate and then think about using a reliable relative or friend, as an advocate to help evaluate the offer being presented - BEFORE signing on the dotted line. As the old adage goes, "no one can take advantage of you, unless you let them."

Sir / Madam -
In my humble opinion, for what it may be worth, your reply brilliantly encapsulates in one short paragraph everything any aging adult with any diminishing capacity needs to comprehend regarding their financial matters.
Thank You !

[Going My Way]

No car dealerships on Morse land.
No lawn service on Morse land.
Palm tree vendor on Morse land..............I think not.
Extermination services on Morse land........I think not.
Flooring companies, window washers, construction contractors....not seeing them.
Winn Dixie booze is cheaper that ABC.
Publix on 466a, not seeing cheaper prices than on 44.
Looks and sounds every time like the Morse's BIG BROTHER's are watching... :yuck:

[dewilson58]

Looks and sounds every time like the Morse's BIG BROTHER's are watching... :yuck:




:cryin2::cryin2::cryin2:


:ho:

[CoachKandSportsguy]

So i don't quite get the point of the some of the posts, people are comparing Leesburg car prices to Ocala car pricesn noting the differences, and then complaining about the villages prices. . . That's kind of like comparing Walmart prices to Target prices, and then blaming the villages. Target might have higher prices, but that doesn't mean they are ripping off customers.

Brands and retailers do target prices to the locale based upon customers and clients they want, and price and quality sometime go together, sometimes not. I never shop in Walmart because I am more price insensitive and don't like the clientele and product selection. Which is why various stores in the same town have different prices. Even gas prices aren't the same at every station.

So if you are more price sensitive, you have to put more effort into either doing it yourself, or paying whatever price and quality you can afford. No different than anywhere else. My daughter waitresses in one of the more affluent counties in the US. People come in and spend over $100 per meal per person, regularly. Some week nights she takes home $400 in tips, and that is on a 50% reduced capacity.

There are always elizabeth holmes , and elon musks, and Ken Lays in the population. just be from missouri.

[FG111]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

@CoachKandSportsguy

"I never shop in Walmart because I am more price insensitive and don't like the ---clientele--- and product selection."



That's really nice of you that you dislike the Walmart clientele.....
I guess we would never get along since I love Walmart and their clientele.

[Villagesgal]

I called a lady lake plumbing company and asked their hourly rate and travel time rate. It sounded fine. They took my street address, showed up, did the work then charged me nearly 60.00 more showing a higher hourly rate and a higher travel time rate. I said no and told them my quoted rate. They said I should have told them I lived in the Villages. I said they never asked. They took my lower payment. I never called them again. I'm not stupid so I won't pay more for being a Villager. Till that happened I had no idea locals took advantage of Villagers just because they can.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

@FG111 if the basis of your evaluation is people's shopping preferences, or different preferences of price sensitivities, or price expectations by sales reps of negotiable items, or why prices are different, then I think you are missing out on a whole lot of life.

And where you shop i couldn't care less, i have too many fun activities to participate in to worry about anyone else's shopping habits. I used to spend alot of time shopping for the best deal, but now, i don't have enough time left to do the fun activities, so i now spend less time shopping for the best deal, since can't take it with me, and I don't have enough places to store it.

So i may be less price sensitive than you, but everyone is different and the world is not an equal place, or an equality place when money is tight. Personally, i don't like people who complain about other people doing their job, who are trying to make a living. I also know there are many, many reasons for why prices are the way they are, but its not obvious unless you have worked with the pricing models, and demand fluctuations, I have worked in sales support, marketing support with the price setting labor and product services, supporting commission systems for sales reps. And yes prices varied by county, so someone could drive 5 miles and get a completely different price point. There were reasons for it, but don't think that we were ripping off customers.

We live in a competitive society where yes, if you aren't careful, you can lose money. But the difference between us and the animal kingdom, they fight each other for survival. Humans fight for each others' money, and then we all can go sit in a stadium side by each, and have a good time. Have you ever seen a stadium full of wild animals sit side by side and enjoy themselves without eating each other?

BTW, my brother's entire life focus is money control, its his source of focus. He prides himself on giving his wife an allowance. He doesn't leave home much, he spends money on high end cars, and then skimps everywhere else. i buy cheap used cars, they are just future rust and junk anyway, and spend money on travel or playing sports. There is so much to do, that I have to get out of this career rat race, so I can spend more time outdoors and playing sports. Much better for my health and mental state, not worrying about price differentials from people trying to make a living.

now its 8:30 pm, and i have to go back to work writing emails and creating a presentation for tomorrow

[Going My Way]

:cryin2::cryin2::cryin2:


:ho:

Yep, another TYPICAL post from you... :popcorn:

[dewilson58]

Yep, another TYPICAL post from you... :popcorn:


:1rotfl:
(Typical)

[swooner]

Only the stupid ones who reside here in abundance!

[Dgizzi]

After living here in The Villages, I have noticed that many salesman / companies appear to over charge those of us who live here in The Villages.

Generally speaking, "some" of the landscaping people servicing The Villages are scam artist. I was quoted 40% more for palm trees versus purchasing the same trees on my own in Ocala.
The large exterminating companies generally servicing The Villages are much more expensive than obtaining extermination services from the surrounding area.
The local Honda dealership attempted to overcharge me an extra $1500 for a new vehicle and when I stated that I could purchase the same vehicle cheaper in Orlando, the salesman cited that I could afford the higher price since I was a Villager. The same salesman also cited; why drive an extra 90 minutes to save $1500 since as an older person the extra driving to a large city could be dangerous due to my age. ( I'm 61 )
I attempted to use a franchised floor cleaning company and when I attempted to use the coupon codes generally found online, I was told discount codes generally allowed to the rest of the state of Florida was not permitted for those who live in The Villages.
I purchase a new Golf Cart just 60 miles from here and the same exact cart sold in The Villages was almost $1800 more.
In my opinion, it seems to me that many companies servicing The Villages take advantage of the elderly when it comes to pricing.
WOW! Thanks for these examples. Yes I have heard people say, we who live in the villages are ‘SPOILED, AND THINK WE ARE PRIVILEGED “ and yes, we all sleep around and with our neighbors. We are still considered SWINGERS in the villages. I am getting to the point when I go out, I don’t tell people I live here. We bought our golf cart outside the villages, and what we got would have cost us $3000 more .

[Dgizzi]

Geez, you don't really have to twist the knife after stabbing him, now do you?

:boxing2:
I know right....

[manaboutown]

I retired from GM, so my vehicle prices are predetermined, only trade in is negotiable. THAT SAID, consider buying a vehicle through COSTCO. Their prices are very competitive and you will eliminate the greedy dealer salesmen. Most dealerships have online or internet buying services and you can compare 3 or 4 dealerships and negotiate without ever leaving your home.

This is what I have done with great results since I tend to buy highly sought vehicles.

[FG111]

While some here are making fun of me, allow me to suggest the following @ 10:28:15 hours
$MRIN Short 3.21 to 2.80
$SCKT short 3.55, then over extended
SPY short into closing
$BVXV - dead cat bounce WAY oversold
Need to make some extra cash to cover the additional fee's charged to villagers.
Later

[Bogie Shooter]

I'm impressed.......

[duhbear]

Went to Kia of Orlando. They charged me $200 less than their original quote which was already considerably less than the Kia dealer in Leesburg.

[STLRAY]

What ever happened to Caveat Emptor? I always shop around.

[PennBF]

You can read all the books available on "Negotiating" BUT there is one basic rule to win and that is "the one that acts the craziest wins". That is advice from a person who was the chief negotiator for a major 500 Corporation and negotiated multi million dollar contracts!:ho:

[dewilson58]

You can read all the books available on "Negotiating" BUT there is one basic rule to win and that is "the one that acts the craziest wins". That is advice from a person who was the chief negotiator for a major 500 Corporation and negotiated multi million dollar contracts!:ho:


or...........whoever can not walk away will lose. :ho::ho:

[Garywt]

We are somewhat a cornered marked for them and with a lot of struggling people living in the general area I can see that. Some pay for the convenience.

[PugMom]

This is a little harsh, don't you think? Perhaps a lot of people are willing to pay more for convienience and keeping shopping easy. Doesn't make them foolish or at fault.

excellent point. it's habit to shop for best prices, but if you need something quick & haven't got the time, those stores can be a godsend

[brianherlihy]

i was told it would cost me $40 to trim a tree

[Nucky]

Villagers worked all their lives, saved money and are living the dream.


They did not turn stupid once they arrived.


Speaking of stupid, thinking otherwise.


:clap2:

That's why I snag the Open House Signs. When my day comes to sell the Love Shack total advertising budget is zero. If anyone touches my signs that I've accumulated I'll put their lights out!!! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Everybody says didn't you read the terms and rules before you bought your house? Listen closely now. I was given the rules about an hour after the closing which was in Lady Lake. The rules appeared at The Villages Office on Main St. in Spanish Springs. Fortunately for us, we are not too uptight about rules in the Hysterical Section. You wanna put up a sign over here it's just fine. Live & Let Live. Lighten up. It's not the end of the world.

I hope the OP gets their signs back with an apology from the dope who :boxing2: grabbed it. I don't have them. It was only a joke.

This is a breeding ground for criminal activity. Be aware at all times of everybody.

[EdFNJ]

Not sure I would call it "ripping off" but maybe "taking advantage." There are some people out there where "money is no object, convenience is." I wish I was there but not. That's why they sell homes for $1.8 million bucks or cars for $110,000. You think most of those folks care about $1500 more for a car or $10,000 more for a pool? One has to be an "educated consumer" **IF** they care. If they don't care, all the power to them.