Clear face shields ineffective for COVID

[ladyarwen3]

I see so many people wearing only a clear face shield at indoor events (church, shopping, rec center events) where masks are required. These shields are useless to protect anyone--neither the wearer nor the other attendees are helped by these shields. They are designed to be worn in combination with a mask. Are people wearing them only to comply with regulations? Or are they misinformed into thinking that they are safe?

I am saddened to think that I will no longer attend these events because of the actions of a few others. I cannot risk bringing COVID home to my family.

[Velvet]

Yes, face shields are similar to glasses as far as protection is concerned. They are not mask substitutes.

[xcaligirl]

But nobody will say anything to them so they get to do what they want to do!.

[oldtimes]

I saw a woman in the market who had a face shield on and had a sticker that said "my mask protects you and your mask protects me". I felt like telling her she wasn't protecting anyone but didn't want to start an argument.

[coffeebean]

I would imagine if someone who wears a full face shield which comes below the chin, sneezes or coughs, the droplets and "spittle" would be visible all over the shield that sits in front of the mouth and nose. All I can say is thanks for those wearing the face shield who prevent those droplets that entered the surrounding air. Masks do a better job but a face shield is better than nothing at all.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I see so many people wearing only a clear face shield at indoor events (church, shopping, rec center events) where masks are required. These shields are useless to protect anyone--neither the wearer nor the other attendees are helped by these shields. They are designed to be worn in combination with a mask. Are people wearing them only to comply with regulations? Or are they misinformed into thinking that they are safe?

I am saddened to think that I will no longer attend these events because of the actions of a few others. I cannot risk bringing COVID home to my family.

Where does this information come from?

[Altavia]

Where does this information come from?

COVID-19: Considerations for Wearing Masks | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html)

Face Shields

A face shield is primarily used for eye protection for the person wearing it. At this time, it is not known what level of protection a face shield provides to people nearby from the spray of respiratory droplets from the wearer. There is currently not enough evidence to support the effectiveness of face shields for source control. Therefore, CDC does not currently recommend use of face shields as a substitute for masks.

However, wearing a mask may not be feasible in every situation for some people for example, people who are deaf or hard of hearing—or those who care for or interact with a person who is hearing impaired. Here are some considerations for individuals who must wear a face shield instead of a mask:

Although evidence on face shields is limited, the available data suggest that the following face shields may provide better source control than others:

Face shields that wrap around the sides of the wearer’s face and extend below the chin.
Hooded face shields.

Face shield wearers should wash their hands before and after removing the face shield and avoid touching their eyes, nose and mouth when removing it.

Disposable face shields should only be worn for a single use and disposed of according to manufacturer instructions.

Reusable face shields should be cleaned and disinfected after each use according to manufacturer instructions or by following CDC face shield cleaning instructions .

Plastic face shields for newborns and infants are NOT recommended.

[Number 10 GI]

In other words there isn't nearly enough data to say one way or another if it is effective or not. Just as I thought, emotional knee jerk reactions.

[billethkid]

It is fast becoming a moot point as more and more residents do not wear masks......

Two more of our neighbors came down with the virus this week.
They had dinner at a restaurant with people who tested positive.

There is no way to account for where people have been before they meet up with YOU!!!

Removing masks at the dinner table is an open invitation to roll the dice!!!

[tophcfa]

They are worse than wearing nothing because they give one a very false sense of security. Either wear a mask or not.

[Velvet]

In other words there isn't nearly enough data to say one way or another if it is effective or not. Just as I thought, emotional knee jerk reactions.

You don’t need data, just common sense. Look at a face shield. See the air flow?

And for some people, in my experience, there is not enough data in the world to convince them of anything once their mind is made up.

[ladyarwen3]

My information about masks ineffective ? The NIH, The CDC, Johns Hopkins, and other medical journal articles backed by scientific research, such as studies done in switzerland and australia.

[ladyarwen3]

There is plenty of data to show that shields aren't effective. If you do not believe medical scientists, look at some of the studies done in Physics journals

[mrrmauu]

I see so many people wearing only a clear face shield at indoor events (church, shopping, rec center events) where masks are required. These shields are useless to protect anyone--neither the wearer nor the other attendees are helped by these shields. They are designed to be worn in combination with a mask. Are people wearing them only to comply with regulations? Or are they misinformed into thinking that they are safe?

I am saddened to think that I will no longer attend these events because of the actions of a few others. I cannot risk bringing COVID home to my family.

Agreed! I wear a full hazmat suit when I go out and I think others should too. Masks are a start but we really need to take this seriously and a full hazmat suit is the only answer. The science® PROVES I am 100% protected and anyone who disagrees is a science denier.

[bd20166]

Masks are ineffective. Wash your hands and do not touch your face.

[Rwirish]

Some people just don’t get it.

Love the people who wear a mask below their nose or on their chin!

[GoPacers]

Masks are ineffective. Wash your hands and do not touch your face.

Not sure what peer reviewed journal you're reading that claims masks are ineffective.



Here is an excerpt from a very recent article in Nature:


"A preprint study posted in early August, found that weekly increases in per-capita mortality were four times lower in places where masks were the norm or recommended by the government, compared with other regions. Researchers looked at 200 countries, including Mongolia, which adopted mask use in January and, as of May, had recorded no deaths related to COVID-19. Another study looked at the effects of US state-government mandates for mask use in April and May. Researchers estimated that those reduced the growth of COVID-19 cases by up to 2 percentage points per day. They cautiously suggest that mandates might have averted as many as 450,000 cases, after controlling for other mitigation measures, such as physical distancing.

“You don’t have to do much math to say this is obviously a good idea,” says Jeremy Howard, a research scientist at the University of San Francisco in California, who is part of a team that reviewed the evidence for wearing face masks in a preprint article that has been widely circulated."

The study/article in this referenced passage is currently under peer review.

Here is the full Nature article: Face masks: what the data say (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8)

[billyb1950]

Viruses can also enter the body through the eyes. Pink eye is one such virus. However, no masks that I have seen cover the eyes, and many people who wear masks fail to even cover their noses. Wear whatever you wish to protect yourself, either physically or psychologically.

[Hplaw]

Perhaps these people cannot breathe with a mask. Please don’t police everyone who do not follow your lead.

[ladyarwen3]

Perhaps they should try different masks? I wore masks 8-12 hours a day while working in the OR. Some are much easier to wear than others.

[Leadbone1]

I see so many people wearing only a clear face shield at indoor events (church, shopping, rec center events) where masks are required. These shields are useless to protect anyone--neither the wearer nor the other attendees are helped by these shields. They are designed to be worn in combination with a mask. Are people wearing them only to comply with regulations? Or are they misinformed into thinking that they are safe?

I am saddened to think that I will no longer attend these events because of the actions of a few others. I cannot risk bringing COVID home to my family.

The masks are useless as well as the shields. If you really believe the virus can’t get around either one then you are seriously naïve. Covid is not a death sentence! My recommendation to you is to just stay home.

[JodyBraga]

First, did you ever stop and think that some people cannot wear masks and that a clear shield is the only way to comply with establishments that require a facial covering? People that have been victims of rape, assault and childhood molestation cannot stand anything which covers the face. Please don’t be so quick to judge!
Second, there has been absolutely no testing on all of the various masks that people wear including surgical masks, cotton masks, polyester, bandanas (and even underwear!) to say definitively that they work to prevent contracting COVID. The weave is too large to stop a 0.3mu virus molecule. Why do you think virologists gear up like astronauts?

[Girlcopper]

I see so many people wearing only a clear face shield at indoor events (church, shopping, rec center events) where masks are required. These shields are useless to protect anyone--neither the wearer nor the other attendees are helped by these shields. They are designed to be worn in combination with a mask. Are people wearing them only to comply with regulations? Or are they misinformed into thinking that they are safe?

I am saddened to think that I will no longer attend these events because of the actions of a few others. I cannot risk bringing COVID home to my family.
OMG. Another mask post. “Yawn”

[BoatRatKat]

I feel much safer in a face shield than mask and would prefer others to wear them as well instead of masks but it's not my decision what people wear, it's theirs. If I sneeze, those particles go right to the inside of my shield and then down. If someone in a mask sneezes, those particles go right through that mask and out into the air. Also, people in shields aren't endlessly adjusting the face coverings like mask wearers are and then touching everything around them. Why do you think masks are better? Because the powers that be tell you that?? They tell us a lot of things, we need to make the best informed decisions for ourselves. This is an extreme example but if someone sprayed a can of Raid at your face which would you rather have on, a plastic face shield or a paper mask? For me, I'm sticking with my shield and I'll not say nasty things about those who continue to wear masks...or not.
God Bless Everyone.

[coffeebean]

My information about masks ineffective ? The NIH, The CDC, Johns Hopkins, and other medical journal articles backed by scientific research, such as studies done in switzerland and australia.

Agree.....masks are ineffective when worn with the nose exposed, or around the chin. Worn properly, masks do block droplets and aerosols. Why else would our CDC and epidemiology experts, including Dr. Fauci, include masks in their guidelines to slow the spread of the virus?

[coffeebean]

Agreed! I wear a full hazmat suit when I go out and I think others should too. Masks are a start but we really need to take this seriously and a full hazmat suit is the only answer. The science® PROVES I am 100% protected and anyone who disagrees is a science denier.

Thank you for some levity during this time of crisis the world is experiencing.

[coffeebean]

Masks are ineffective. Wash your hands and do not touch your face.

Oh, and while you are at it, don't breathe.

[wiltma]

I see so many people wearing only a clear face shield at indoor events (church, shopping, rec center events) where masks are required. These shields are useless to protect anyone--neither the wearer nor the other attendees are helped by these shields. They are designed to be worn in combination with a mask. Are people wearing them only to comply with regulations? Or are they misinformed into thinking that they are safe?

I am saddened to think that I will no longer attend these events because of the actions of a few others. I cannot risk bringing COVID home to my family.

Could you please give a link that supports this. Thanks

[GoPacers]

The masks are useless as well as the shields. If you really believe the virus can’t get around either one then you are seriously naïve. Covid is not a death sentence! My recommendation to you is to just stay home.

People who use the term "useless" and "ineffective" with regards to masks and COVID are the ones who are either seriously naïve or worse. Reference peer reviewed articles that make such claims (with the citation) and we can have a discussion. Otherwise, it's an opinion and one that contradicts the guidance from medical experts around the world.

I get it that many people don't want to wear a mask but to make ridiculous statements that could potentially put others in jeopardy to justify one's decision is lame. Just say - I won't wear a mask, walk away and go about your business.

BTW: COVID is a death sentence for many people. Another erroneous and naïve statement to justify one's opinion.

[Doro22]

Yes, face shields are similar to glasses as far as protection is concerned. They are not mask substitutes.

Correct! I have a face shield that I wear riding in the golf cart to protect my complexion as much as possible from wind. Hubby likes windscreen rolled up. I wear a mask when I’m in stores or around people. :ho:

[tuttysal1]

FACT: Countries that do not wear masks have the lowest mortality/ hospitalization rates in the world ( India, Pakistan, and Sweden for example! Also, Sweden never closed down anything but had a totally OPEN policy including all schools.

[villager44]

People not covering their nose makes me nuts. There’s a reason nostrils are swabbed for diagnosis!!!

[Altavia]

People not covering their nose makes me nuts. There’s a reason nostrils are swabbed for diagnosis!!!

In some ways these things are public IQ tests...

[Byte1]

Agreed! I wear a full hazmat suit when I go out and I think others should too. Masks are a start but we really need to take this seriously and a full hazmat suit is the only answer. The science® PROVES I am 100% protected and anyone who disagrees is a science denier.

Yes, a hazmat should be mandatory. The Fed gov. ought to mandate that EVERYONE wear a hazmat suit with a closed oxygen system. Also, in order to be 100% sure of not becoming infected, you MUST have a decontamination system before reentering your home. Ultraviolet light and a sanitizer shower must be used. :ho:

[Byte1]

My, mass hysteria has invaded. It appears that the percentage of infected with MH is way more dangerous than the .004% virus infection rate.
Well, if the world is ending as some on here are predicting, I see no reason for me to bother with the irritating mask when I am out and about. I now wear a shirt that says, Stay 6" away because I am infected. That way, I am protecting you. Thanks to all on here that have convinced me that I prefer to live my life normally, rather than cower in my "safe room" like some. Like some that find it necessary to depend on others to "protect" them. Good thing that everyone does not hide, or there would be no food, water, electricity or toilet paper.
I now carry a wadded up paper mask with me to wear if the establishment has a mask mandate posted. Thank you.

[Fore!]

I feel much safer in a face shield than mask and would prefer others to wear them as well instead of masks but it's not my decision what people wear, it's theirs. If I sneeze, those particles go right to the inside of my shield and then down. If someone in a mask sneezes, those particles go right through that mask and out into the air. Also, people in shields aren't endlessly adjusting the face coverings like mask wearers are and then touching everything around them. Why do you think masks are better? Because the powers that be tell you that?? They tell us a lot of things, we need to make the best informed decisions for ourselves. This is an extreme example but if someone sprayed a can of Raid at your face which would you rather have on, a plastic face shield or a paper mask? For me, I'm sticking with my shield and I'll not say nasty things about those who continue to wear masks...or not.
God Bless Everyone.
Amen! How many wash their face mask after each time they wear them? How many throw their disposable away after one time wear? I wear a shield at work because we have deaf people who come in and they have to read lips. So, get a life people and quit complaining. There are many reasons for differences. Stay home if you don’t like what you see.

[coffeebean]

First, did you ever stop and think that some people cannot wear masks and that a clear shield is the only way to comply with establishments that require a facial covering? People that have been victims of rape, assault and childhood molestation cannot stand anything which covers the face. Please don’t be so quick to judge!
Second, there has been absolutely no testing on all of the various masks that people wear including surgical masks, cotton masks, polyester, bandanas (and even underwear!) to say definitively that they work to prevent contracting COVID. The weave is too large to stop a 0.3mu virus molecule. Why do you think virologists gear up like astronauts?
Virologists are working very closely with a virus. That is why they "gear up like astronauts". People, out and about living their lives are not that close to the virus if they are social distancing.

[coffeebean]

I feel much safer in a face shield than mask and would prefer others to wear them as well instead of masks but it's not my decision what people wear, it's theirs. If I sneeze, those particles go right to the inside of my shield and then down. If someone in a mask sneezes, those particles go right through that mask and out into the air. Also, people in shields aren't endlessly adjusting the face coverings like mask wearers are and then touching everything around them. Why do you think masks are better? Because the powers that be tell you that?? They tell us a lot of things, we need to make the best informed decisions for ourselves. This is an extreme example but if someone sprayed a can of Raid at your face which would you rather have on, a plastic face shield or a paper mask? For me, I'm sticking with my shield and I'll not say nasty things about those who continue to wear masks...or not.
God Bless Everyone.

Not true. Droplets are blocked by face masks, especially if they are not a stretchy material. The following video demonstrates how a simple single layer of T Shirt material (which actually is a stretchy material) blocks droplets. A 100% cotton fabric actually does a better job of blocking droplets but the T shirt material seems to do the trick too. I've done this "experiment" using my own masks on my mirror at home and not one droplet is sprayed on the mirror. I won't wear a mask in public until the mask passes that test. I also will not wear a mask in public that I can blow out a flame.

Masks do block droplets. Let's not forget that the virus DOES NOT travel on its own. The virus is encased in droplets and aerosols.........

How a mask blocks droplets - YouTube (https://youtu.be/F0RcH9DfuyE)

[coffeebean]

People who use the term "useless" and "ineffective" with regards to masks and COVID are the ones who are either seriously naïve or worse. Reference peer reviewed articles that make such claims (with the citation) and we can have a discussion. Otherwise, it's an opinion and one that contradicts the guidance from medical experts around the world.

I get it that many people don't want to wear a mask but to make ridiculous statements that could potentially put others in jeopardy to justify one's decision is lame. Just say - I won't wear a mask, walk away and go about your business.

BTW: COVID is a death sentence for many people. Another erroneous and naïve statement to justify one's opinion.

I agree with everything you said in your post but I have one question for you........

How do you get those two dots above the i? I don't know what that punctuation is called but I don't seem to have that on my keyboard. Thanks.

[coffeebean]

FACT: Countries that do not wear masks have the lowest mortality/ hospitalization rates in the world ( India, Pakistan, and Sweden for example! Also, Sweden never closed down anything but had a totally OPEN policy including all schools.

This is a very grim look at what Sweden went through attempting herd immunity. Looks like they did not come out on the good side........

‘It’s been so, so surreal.’ Critics of Sweden’s lax pandemic policies face fierce backlash | Science | AAAS (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/it-s-been-so-so-surreal-critics-sweden-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlash)

[Mrprez]

I agree with everything you said in your post but I have one question for you........

How do you get those two dots above the i? I don't know what that punctuation is called but I don't seem to have that on my keyboard. Thanks.

What type of device are you using to post your very entertaining comments?😁. If you are using an iPad if you long press on the ‘I’ you will be shown other optïons!

[sallybowron]

It is all over Google>

[NavyVet]

First, did you ever stop and think that some people cannot wear masks and that a clear shield is the only way to comply with establishments that require a facial covering? People that have been victims of rape, assault and childhood molestation cannot stand anything which covers the face.

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to nip that blanket generalization in the bud. Don't confuse "don't want to" or "don't like it" with "CANNOT." It's an excuse just like "I can't breathe with a mask on." Millions of people do their jobs wearing masks all day long without problems.
As a Veteran with PTSD and a MST survivor, I do understand anxiety.
I don't enjoy wearing masks either, my glasses fog up, I start sweating from wicked hot flashes, but I suck it up and do it because it's the right thing to do and I have health risk factors that make me susceptible. If you think wearing a mask is so horrible then you would REALLY hate being on a ventilator.
I suppose a face shield is better than nothing at all, as I don't know if they are effective whatsoever, but mathematically and scientifically, masks do help. If a public place or business requires them, then I'm gonna wear them even though they are uncomfortable. We're all just trying to be as safe as possible for everyone's sake. We always have choices; you can either put your big girl panties on and deal with the inconvenience or, if you absolutely refuse to mask up, you can stay home.
I believe it's going to be at least another year before the virus is under control, if ever, and it would be because of so many stubborn, non-compliant people not getting how important it is to do what we can to protect ourselves and our fellow humans. JMHO

[coffeebean]

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[Altavia]

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I guess my Dell laptop doesn't have that feature. :(

Maybe this will help:

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[Art cov]

I have not kept up with the expert doc in awhile, does he say wear a mask when 20 ft from the nearest person when walking or what about 50 ft? Does he recommend that when I drive my car with the windows up and a. c. on to wear a mask? Oh yes nobody is with me of course. Is wearing a mask 100 percent effective? Has the wonderful doctor said, no one who wears a mask gets sick or dies? It’s been a couple months since I heard the expert talk about these things. Months ago he changed his mind all the time and I turned him off. Does he have a greater understanding of this virus now?

[Vinz8369]

Thank you

[Pillowtalk]

I would assume that that the majority of them are unaware. At least they are making an attempt to show they care for their fellow human being?

[MOMOH]

What about all the waitresses that wear their masks below their nose? Another useless gesture.

[Girlcopper]

The masks are useless as well as the shields. If you really believe the virus can’t get around either one then you are seriously naïve. Covid is not a death sentence! My recommendation to you is to just stay home.
Im sorry but you said “covud is not a death sentence”?? Is that correct?? Go tell that to those families of the thousands who have died already. You do realize the old villagers are prime for this right?

[coffeebean]

Maybe this will help:

Keyboard shortcuts for international characters - Outlook (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/keyboard-shortcuts-for-international-characters-108fa0c1-fb8e-4aae-9db1-d60407d13c35)

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[GoPacers]

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I can't seem to get it. But......thank you for the link.

I can get the Ï by long-pressing the i on my Android device. This doesn't work on the computer though (as you found out).


For the computer -

Press the Windows key and R at the same time.

Type charmap in the dialog box and press enter

This will bring up the character map. Double-click the character you want and then select the "copy" button (copies the character to the clipboard).

Paste into the editor for this site (or other).

You should be able to get any character that the site allows this way.

[sooziesoul]

OSHA says also that OR must have additional oxygen piped in because masks are worn for longer periods of time. This is help prevent low oxygen levels for the people wearing the masks.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

A face shield is primarily used for eye protection for the person wearing it. At this time, it is not known what level of protection a face shield provides to people nearby from the spray of respiratory droplets from the wearer. There is currently not enough evidence to support the effectiveness of face shields for source control.

I thought that the idea of wearing a mask was to protect the people around you. A two layer cloth mask is not supposed to protect the wearer. Has that changed now? It seems to me that a face shield on an infected person would prevent droplets from hitting other people.

And of course the OP has made it sound like it is a fact that clear face shields are ineffective when the CDC site says there is not enough data to know.

[Altavia]

OSHA says also that OR must have additional oxygen piped in because masks are worn for longer periods of time. This is help prevent low oxygen levels for the people wearing the masks.

Not correct, OR's and other areas of the Hospital are under positive pressure with atmospheric levels of oxygen. OSHA recomends at least 6 air exchanges per hour.

"The design of an operating room is to have multiple air changes per hour and to stay at a higher air pressure than adjoining rooms or hallways. The effect of the air changes is to remove odors and any undesirable bacteria away from the operative field and is exhausted to the outside, the entering conditioned air is filtered thru HEPA filters eliminating exposing the room with any odors or bacteria. Keep in mind the entering air is usually 100% outside air and has the normal percentage of oxygen."

[Nightengale212]

I see so many people wearing only a clear face shield at indoor events (church, shopping, rec center events) where masks are required. These shields are useless to protect anyone--neither the wearer nor the other attendees are helped by these shields. They are designed to be worn in combination with a mask. Are people wearing them only to comply with regulations? Or are they misinformed into thinking that they are safe?

I am saddened to think that I will no longer attend these events because of the actions of a few others. I cannot risk bringing COVID home to my family.

The stress this face shield vs mask issue is causing you is likely making you more susceptible to contracting Covid than this issue itself.

I have been working as an R.N. for 43 years and give stress reduction classes at the facility I am employed at. Many people do not realize how living with chronic stress is not just a negative mental health issue, it can have as equally negative physiologic impact on the body especially the immune system.

We were magnificently created to have a mind and body that respond accordingly to enhance our survival when faced with an actual or perceived threat. This survival response was meant to be a short term event, but when the threat becomes chronic such as in the case of Covid making the physiologic response to it prolonged, that prolonged response which includes having high levels of cytokines, cortisol, etc. levels in our blood streams not only causes chronic inflammation which damages our immune and other body systems, it can activate latent viruses which is the reason why you often see outbreaks of Herpes Zoster/Shingles in individuals who are under a great deal of stress.

With any infectious disease be it bacterial, fungal, or viral for one to contract them they have to be a susceptible host meaning having a weakened immune where they don't have the intrinsic ammo to fight off and kill the infectious invader. Masks, shields, any all other face coverings worn by yourself and others in addition to having impeccable hygienne may protect you and others to a certain extent from contracting Covid, the seasonal flu, or other contagious infections, but they will never fully protect you if your immune system is weakened as a result of the negative physiologic impact of living under chronic stress has on it. And additionally, the damage that is being caused by having chronic high level pro-inflammatory hormones such as cortisol continually released in response to chronic stress can cause the development of diseases equally life threatening as Covid such as heart attacks, strokes, etc.

Protect yourself as best as you see fit, but do yourself a favor and try reduce your stress over what others are doing or not doing because holding on to that stress is doing you far more harm than you may have realized.

[PJackpot]

Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy | River Cities' Reader (https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy)

[PJackpot]

Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy | River Cities' Reader (https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy)

[GoPacers]

Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy | River Cities' Reader (https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy)

Not sure if you read the paper but this was not peer-reviewed and was removed from researchgate.net by the editors. Here is what they said when it was removed:

“[O]ur Terms of Service prohibit the posting of non-scientific content on the platform. Given its questionable scientific basis and controversial subject matter, the content you posted is a violation of our Terms.”


In a subsequent message to the author they further explained their decision to remove the content:

“However, if we have any reason to believe that content on our platform has the potential to cause harm, then we reserve the right to remove it. In this case, your report was advocating that face masks are not effective and, in effect, discouraging their use. This goes against the public health advice and/or requirements of credible agencies and governments. As content which did not appear to have undergone quality control processes by the scientific community, but which was broadly linked to from a variety of social media accounts, we thought it had the potential to cause harm.”

Sorry, just because something is written and posted on the internet does not make it peer-reviewed.

[crazydeb10@yahoo.ca]

You are right. You must still wear a face mask

[Rcolby7]

It’s easy esp inside—
Virus is spread via aerosol spray. They go under and over the plastic.
Most people wear cotton masks and aerosol spray penetrates cotton. What you need is N95 or KN95 masks. The 95 refers to size of aerosol spray.

[Mikef99]

I've read none of the face masks are effective. Also the current year rate of deaths is not up. So are we worrying about nothing ? WHO came out with lockdowns are worthless unless to give Healthcare in a region a break. Good side lockdowns did reduce pollution in metro areas.

[coffeebean]

I can get the Ï by long-pressing the i on my Android device. This doesn't work on the computer though (as you found out).


For the computer -

Press the Windows key and R at the same time.

Type charmap in the dialog box and press enter

This will bring up the character map. Double-click the character you want and then select the "copy" button (copies the character to the clipboard).

Paste into the editor for this site (or other).

You should be able to get any character that the site allows this way.

Thank you. I got as far as the character map but gave up after that.

[coffeebean]

It’s easy esp inside—
Virus is spread via aerosol spray. They go under and over the plastic.
Most people wear cotton masks and aerosol spray penetrates cotton. What you need is N95 or KN95 masks. The 95 refers to size of aerosol spray.

The 95 refers to the percentage of airborne particles that are filtered for the wearer of the mask.

The following was copied from a Google search.......
The different ratings in place for respirators indicate how well the mask would protect against oils and are rated as N, R, or P. ... Respirators that filter out 95 percent of airborne particles are given a 95 rating, so N95 respirator filters out 95 percent of airborne particles but is not resistant to oil.

[coffeebean]

It’s easy esp inside—
Virus is spread via aerosol spray. They go under and over the plastic.
Most people wear cotton masks and aerosol spray penetrates cotton. What you need is N95 or KN95 masks. The 95 refers to size of aerosol spray.

From what I have read about this subject, fumes are even smaller than aerosols. Fumes, such as perfume or gaseous odors are what I'm referring to.

When I wear a paper mask, purchased in a box of 50 or one of my cloth masks, I am unable to detect aromas from perfume, gas from my gas stove, foods, lav spray, pine sol cleaner, etc. As soon as I remove my mask, those aromas are very strong to me and very easily detected. I know that is an extremely unscientific test of the masks, but for some strange reason, I feel my masks are doing what I want them to do.

[Mardarlowe]

I will hide in my basement til this passes. Someone please mail me some food.

[Byte1]

I will hide in my basement til this passes. Someone please mail me some food.

Ok, but just try to remember that it's "Donald" not "George." :1rotfl:

[Byte1]

From what I have read about this subject, fumes are even smaller than aerosols. Fumes, such as perfume or gaseous odors are what I'm referring to.

When I wear a paper mask, purchased in a box of 50 or one of my cloth masks, I am unable to detect aromas from perfume, gas from my gas stove, foods, lav spray, pine sol cleaner, etc. As soon as I remove my mask, those aromas are very strong to me and very easily detected. I know that is an extremely unscientific test of the masks, but for some strange reason, I feel my masks are doing what I want them to do.

That means that the placebo effect is working.....:clap2:

[ts12755]

90% of Americans are done with masks. If you are sick or obese stay home. Let everyone else live and support their family. This virus will not disappear unless we completely shut down the world for 60 days. I mean completely. No one leaves the house, not police, not firemen, not shoppers, not church goers, No one. Or, we let the virus spread like wildfire and the strong survive. Just like Spanish Flu.

[Skunky1]

A face shield protects you from my droplets and me from your droplets. Be thankful that we are at least trying and others don’t even try.

[riamd1954]

Covid will soon be gone !! Do you wear a mask in the flu season?? Or worry about your family getting it ???

[Skunky1]

Malarkey

[Skunky1]

Coronavirus in the villages-Our bocce group has been playing bocce for several months now with from 16 to 24 players. Last week we were notified by one of the players that they tested positive for coronavirus. It is real. It is here. All play was conducted according to CDC guidelines.

[Jacob85]

I have seen studies that say the shield is 98 percent effective against the virus but I still wear a mask with it.

[Byte1]

Be sure and wear a military gas mask.

[Byte1]

A face shield protects you from my droplets and me from your droplets. Be thankful that we are at least trying and others don’t even try.

I don't spit on people, so you have nothing to worry about. And I try to stay away from folks that spit a lot. Glad you are wearing a shield if you have a tendency to spit a lot around people.

[Bgsu4me]

So true. This has also kept me away from some activities. Sad

[LiverpoolWalrus]

I don't spit on people, so you have nothing to worry about. And I try to stay away from folks that spit a lot. Glad you are wearing a shield if you have a tendency to spit a lot around people.

Skunky is referring to “respiratory droplets” that are expelled when we sneeze, cough, talk or sing. But I think you know that.

[Number 10 GI]

Not sure if you read the paper but this was not peer-reviewed and was removed from researchgate.net by the editors. Here is what they said when it was removed:

“[O]ur Terms of Service prohibit the posting of non-scientific content on the platform. Given its questionable scientific basis and controversial subject matter, the content you posted is a violation of our Terms.”


In a subsequent message to the author they further explained their decision to remove the content:

“However, if we have any reason to believe that content on our platform has the potential to cause harm, then we reserve the right to remove it. In this case, your report was advocating that face masks are not effective and, in effect, discouraging their use. This goes against the public health advice and/or requirements of credible agencies and governments. As content which did not appear to have undergone quality control processes by the scientific community, but which was broadly linked to from a variety of social media accounts, we thought it had the potential to cause harm.”

Sorry, just because something is written and posted on the internet does not make it peer-reviewed.

I don't care who it is from, especially if it's from the government, and I'll consider it bogus until I do a bit of research on it.

[Byte1]

Skunky is referring to “respiratory droplets” that are expelled when we sneeze, cough, talk or sing. But I think you know that.

:highfive:

[donassaid]

So sick of hearing and reading comments condemning others for not wearing masks. Did none of you read the recent statement by the CDC where they admitted that 84% of those who tested positive for Covid 19 wore a mask most of the time (14%) or ALL the time (70%)! What does that tell you???? If a doctor offered you two drugs for cancer treatment and one had an 84% probability of causing serious side effects and tge other only 16%, which one would you take. We, who are part of tge 16% believe masks do more harm than good. How often do you touch them after touching something else? How often do you wash them? Wearing a mask forces you to breathe in your own carbon dioxide which can cause pleurisy and severely damage your immune system, making you more susceptible to the virus. So wear a mask if you must. I will pass and continue to put up with tge verbal abuse of those who actually believe that a mask works.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Wearing a mask forces you to breathe in your own carbon dioxide which can cause pleurisy and severely damage your immune system, making you more susceptible to the virus.

That’s pretty alarming. Do you have a source for that?

Can mask wearing lead to or cause pleurisy? | Covid-19 Expert Database (https://learnaboutcovid19.org/questions/can-mask-wearing-lead-to-or-cause-pleurisy/)

[Jerseygirl08]

I saw a woman in the market who had a face shield on and had a sticker that said "my mask protects you and your mask protects me". I felt like telling her she wasn't protecting anyone but didn't want to start an argument.
I saw a Walmart employee wearing a shield and across the top piece was written, "Please stay 6 ft. away"! I also saw a man walking in the square with the same kind of face shield. The message written across the top of it: "Get 6 ft. away from me". Really? Again, a chance for already angry people to dump their anger onto others, sad.

[coffeebean]

So sick of hearing and reading comments condemning others for not wearing masks. Did none of you read the recent statement by the CDC where they admitted that 84% of those who tested positive for Covid 19 wore a mask most of the time (14%) or ALL the time (70%)! What does that tell you???? If a doctor offered you two drugs for cancer treatment and one had an 84% probability of causing serious side effects and tge other only 16%, which one would you take. We, who are part of tge 16% believe masks do more harm than good. How often do you touch them after touching something else? How often do you wash them? Wearing a mask forces you to breathe in your own carbon dioxide which can cause pleurisy and severely damage your immune system, making you more susceptible to the virus. So wear a mask if you must. I will pass and continue to put up with tge verbal abuse of those who actually believe that a mask works.
That tells me that not enough people are wearing masks so they are protecting the people around them. Wearing the mask is not nearly as protective if the people around you do not wear masks. If everyone around you wears a mask, THAT is when it is protective to everyone.

[coffeebean]

So sick of hearing and reading comments condemning others for not wearing masks. Did none of you read the recent statement by the CDC where they admitted that 84% of those who tested positive for Covid 19 wore a mask most of the time (14%) or ALL the time (70%)! What does that tell you???? If a doctor offered you two drugs for cancer treatment and one had an 84% probability of causing serious side effects and tge other only 16%, which one would you take. We, who are part of tge 16% believe masks do more harm than good. How often do you touch them after touching something else? How often do you wash them? Wearing a mask forces you to breathe in your own carbon dioxide which can cause pleurisy and severely damage your immune system, making you more susceptible to the virus. So wear a mask if you must. I will pass and continue to put up with tge verbal abuse of those who actually believe that a mask works.

NOT TRUE.......

Does Wearing a Face Mask Reduce Oxygen—and Can It Increase CO2 Levels? Here'''s What Experts Say | Health.com (https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/does-wearing-face-mask-increase-co2-levels)

[coffeebean]

That’s pretty alarming. Do you have a source for that?

Can mask wearing lead to or cause pleurisy? | Covid-19 Expert Database (https://learnaboutcovid19.org/questions/can-mask-wearing-lead-to-or-cause-pleurisy/)

Anti-maskers will resort to all sorts of excuses for not covering their faces, non of which are valid. They refuse to do their part to slow the spread of this virus and I have no respect for any of them.

[coffeebean]

I saw a Walmart employee wearing a shield and across the top piece was written, "Please stay 6 ft. away"! I also saw a man walking in the square with the same kind of face shield. The message written across the top of it: "Get 6 ft. away from me". Really? Again, a chance for already angry people to dump their anger onto others, sad.

Personally, I would not wear that message anywhere on my person. Having said that, I see nothing wrong with reminding people to socially distance. There are too many people out there that forget we are in the middle of a pandemic with no vaccine at this point. There are too many people who do not respect others who are trying to live their lives the best way they can while doing it safely.

[Pettys1]

I see so many people wearing only a clear face shield at indoor events (church, shopping, rec center events) where masks are required. These shields are useless to protect anyone--neither the wearer nor the other attendees are helped by these shields. They are designed to be worn in combination with a mask. Are people wearing them only to comply with regulations? Or are they misinformed into thinking that they are safe?

I am saddened to think that I will no longer attend these events because of the actions of a few others. I cannot risk bringing COVID home to my family.
Some people can't wear mask so they try to do there part. But like always you have those who complain bout everything

[Pettys1]

NOT TRUE.......

Does Wearing a Face Mask Reduce Oxygen—and Can It Increase CO2 Levels? Here'''s What Experts Say | Health.com (https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/does-wearing-face-mask-increase-co2-levels)
That is true.... People are getting bad headaches.My niece works in a restaurant an has to have one on for 10 hrs. She has to run an hind so she can pull her mask off to get air.An having really bad headaches her Dr said she needs to get fresh air at least every 30 minutes or so. So which medical advice to you believe? What media say or what your Dr says?

[Pettys1]

Coronavirus in the villages-Our bocce group has been playing bocce for several months now with from 16 to 24 players. Last week we were notified by one of the players that they tested positive for coronavirus. It is real. It is here. All play was conducted according to CDC guidelines.
If they are testing for coronavirus, then yes they maybe positive. Coronavirus is a common cold. All you have to do is research. Now Covid is something else. Alot of people test positive to Corina cause it's just a cold. Doesn't mean you have Covid

[Altavia]

That is true.... People are getting bad headaches.My niece works in a restaurant an has to have one on for 10 hrs. She has to run an hind so she can pull her mask off to get air.An having really bad headaches her Dr said she needs to get fresh air at least every 30 minutes or so. So which medical advice to you believe? What media say or what your Dr says?

Maybe try the light weight disposable masks if not already.

[Number 10 GI]

NOT TRUE.......

Does Wearing a Face Mask Reduce Oxygen—and Can It Increase CO2 Levels? Here'''s What Experts Say | Health.com (https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/does-wearing-face-mask-increase-co2-levels)

The last two times I went to my doctor my oxygen level was low when they were taking my vitals. The nurse told me to lift up my mask and take a couple deep breaths and instead of having a 91% level it went up to 98% where it usually is when I test it myself at home without a mask. I have excellent lungs and no respiratory problems. The nurse said that it was pretty common with patients when they take vitals.

[coffeebean]

The last two times I went to my doctor my oxygen level was low when they were taking my vitals. The nurse told me to lift up my mask and take a couple deep breaths and instead of having a 91% level it went up to 98% where it usually is when I test it myself at home without a mask. I have excellent lungs and no respiratory problems. The nurse said that it was pretty common with patients when they take vitals.

My pulse ox was 98% with my cloth mask on. I have no answer for you beyond what I have experienced.