Wartime sacrifice

[Windguy]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.

[Bucco]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.

The definition of patriot has become so skewed over time. Those patriots you recall didn't wave the flag, didn't brag about patriotism, but certainly loved their country.

James Bryce
"Patriotism consists not in waving the flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as strong."

[asianthree]

Coming from a family of healthcare workers, not one consider themselves hero’s, as depicted by many. It’s their job, no matter, how the day begins or ends. Arm chair net followers have no idea, what is occurring in hospitals.

Healthcare workers are donning and doffing, a N95 mask, a procedure mask, a shield, 2 gowns, hat, booties, and gloves. And yet over 600,000 healthcare workers have tested positive. You are only tested if systemic, so number could be higher.

After working for 5 months, I believe in the luck of the draw, not a single mask, will save me. I do not depend on the net, just real life.

[Kenswing]

Oh, look.. Another way to package yet another mask thread..

[big guy]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.

Well said and such a simple thing to do to keep the covid virus away!

[big guy]

Coming from a family of healthcare workers, not one consider themselves hero’s, as depicted by many. It’s their job, no matter, how the day begins or ends. Arm chair net followers have no idea, what is occurring in hospitals.

Healthcare workers are donning and doffing, a N95 mask, a procedure mask, a shield, 2 gowns, hat, booties, and gloves. And yet over 600,000 healthcare workers have tested positive. You are only tested if systemic, so number could be higher.

After working for 5 months, I believe in the luck of the draw, not a single mask, will save me. I do not depend on the net, just real life.

We are burning through nurses and doctors. I hope it's the ones who refuse to wear masks who end up with no medical care.

[asianthree]

We are burning through nurses and doctors. I hope it's the ones who refuse to wear masks who end up with no medical care.

Must be at the facility you are working at, that there is no staff. In some areas staff is running thin, but there are many who are still furloughed. Plus you have those who tested + returning, back to their shift.

So you think the guy who blows through a red light and kills someone in the other car doesn’t get medical care? You still save them no matter what has occurred.

But with your idea of refusing medical care, could curb the population for many years to come. Plus save insurance companies millions

[JimJohnson]

In those times, very few Americans found ways to avoid going to the military. People are becoming less patriotic and more self centered every year.

[mrrmauu]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.

Couldn’t agree more! I wear mine 24/7/365 “just to be safe”.

[Viperguy]

We live in a much different America now.

[golfing eagles]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.

And yet another individual worshiping at the altar of the holy mask. Masks can be useful in the appropriate setting, but they are not a suit of armor, they are not magical, and they are not worth the hysteria surrounding them. Right now, your best defense is social distancing. When that is not possible, a mask will offer SOME mitigation of spread, but certainly not immunity. Eventually there will be a (hopefully effective) vaccine. That's the current state of affairs.

Now, to equate mask wearing with "patriotism" and the sacrifices of WWII is simply absurd, almost a religious fanaticism. There have been dozens of pandemics in the last 2 centuries, and this one is far from the worst, yet never has there been such a drastic response by government, nor such a divisiveness among our citizens. It's amazing how many are watching the daily tally of new cases, even though that is a meaningless statistic. It's amazing how many go to a certain event then feel obligated to post how many were and weren't wearing masks. Some are stupid enough to say something to another person; they should realize that that is inherently dangerous

Everyone needs to take this down a notch, exercise common sense and eventually it will end, just like all other pandemics.

[golfing eagles]

Couldn’t agree more! I wear mine 24/7/365 “just to be safe”.

Certainly you can't be serious. Are you? You wear it to bed at home? You wear it when driving alone in a car with the windows up? 24/7/365?????

All I can say is Res ipsa loquitur

[Two Bills]

This whole mask, Covid thing is all getting a bit over dramatised in my book.
We'll be crossing The Potomack next!
http://www.alancurrie.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/George-Washington-crossing-Delaware-Dec-15_1776.jpg

[tjboxer79]

I totally agree with your beautifully written written piece

[ruralgoddess]

And yet another individual worshiping at the altar of the holy mask. Masks can be useful in the appropriate setting, but they are not a suit of armor, they are not magical, and they are not worth the hysteria surrounding them. Right now, your best defense is social distancing. When that is not possible, a mask will offer SOME mitigation of spread, but certainly not immunity. Eventually there will be a (hopefully effective) vaccine. That's the current state of affairs.

Now, to equate mask wearing with "patriotism" and the sacrifices of WWII is simply absurd, almost a religious fanaticism. There have been dozens of pandemics in the last 2 centuries, and this one is far from the worst, yet never has there been such a drastic response by government, nor such a divisiveness among our citizens. It's amazing how many are watching the daily tally of new cases, even though that is a meaningless statistic. It's amazing how many go to a certain event then feel obligated to post how many were and weren't wearing masks. Some are stupid enough to say something to another person; they should realize that that is inherently dangerous

Everyone needs to take this down a notch, exercise common sense and eventually it will end, just like all other pandemics.
So I should offer myself and my family as the natural and to-be-expected course of this disease? I don't think herd immunity is the best course of action in controlling this particular pandemic.

[mrrmauu]

Certainly you can't be serious. Are you? You wear it to bed at home? You wear it when driving alone in a car with the windows up? 24/7/365?????

All I can say is Res ipsa loquitur

“The science®”says that wearing a mask provides a level of protection and since my household follows “the science ®” we wear ours at all times.

[golfing eagles]

So I should offer myself and my family as the natural and to-be-expected course of this disease? I don't think herd immunity is the best course of action in controlling this particular pandemic.

Did the term "herd immunity" appear anywhere in my post???? That's what politicians do---answer the question they want to, not the one asked. Or do you have a reading comprehension issue that we should make allowance for?

[golfing eagles]

“The science®”says that wearing a mask provides a level of protection and since my household follows “the science ®” we wear ours at all times.

Sorry, but you are deluding yourself. The level of protection varies with the scenario, but much of the time, like the examples I cited, your level of protection is ZERO

[mrrmauu]

Sorry, but you are deluding yourself. The level of protection varies with the scenario, but much of the time, like the examples I cited, your level of protection is ZERO

We just purchased hazmat suits from Amazon. “The science ®” says that is the best level of protection. I think everyone should wear one while in public. If people disagree with me they must be science deniers.

[coconutmama]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.

Thank you for taking the time to write what our household has been verbalizing among ourselves since this mess began. Too many current citizens are selfish. There is far more to patriotism than waving a flag at a rally or displaying it on your golf cart.

[golfing eagles]

We just purchased hazmat suits from Amazon. “The science ®” says that is the best level of protection. I think everyone should wear one while in public. If people disagree with me they must be science deniers.

OK, I get it. Very funny:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bay Kid]

Just another bad day. It will get better.

[Outofjersey]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.
In this time when we kneel to the flag and don’t play the national anthem and patriotism is gone with this Generation thank you for your words

[Saluce]

And yet another individual worshiping at the altar of the holy mask. Masks can be useful in the appropriate setting, but they are not a suit of armor, they are not magical, and they are not worth the hysteria surrounding them. Right now, your best defense is social distancing. When that is not possible, a mask will offer SOME mitigation of spread, but certainly not immunity. Eventually there will be a (hopefully effective) vaccine. That's the current state of affairs.

Now, to equate mask wearing with "patriotism" and the sacrifices of WWII is simply absurd, almost a religious fanaticism. There have been dozens of pandemics in the last 2 centuries, and this one is far from the worst, yet never has there been such a drastic response by government, nor such a divisiveness among our citizens. It's amazing how many are watching the daily tally of new cases, even though that is a meaningless statistic. It's amazing how many go to a certain event then feel obligated to post how many were and weren't wearing masks. Some are stupid enough to say something to another person; they should realize that that is inherently dangerous

Everyone needs to take this down a notch, exercise common sense and eventually it will end, just like all other pandemics.

This is the most common sense post I’ve read today!!
Did you read that “COMMON SENSE”!! Something that doesn’t exists anymore!

Social distance, wear a mask if you believe they actually help, wash your hands & don’t touch your face!!

Otherwise, be kind & mind your own self!!

[cdimauro]

Bravo!

[JimJohnson]

If someone NOT Wearing a mask gets up in your face, could you shot them in self defense?

[Bill1701]

Sacrifice? Many Americans don't know the meaning of the word. We won't even allow taxes to be raised to pay for all our government programs, but try to cut any and the screaming starts.

[Girlcopper]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.
Preaching about this everyday means NOTHING. Some are not going to wear a mask.......move on with your life

[Joe C.]

Wearing a mask protects others ---ONLY IF THE WEARER HAS COVID !
I don't wear it most of the time. Only in stores that ask you to cover before entering.
Most anti-maskers don't wear one because it's a pain in the butt, and they don't have Covid, so there is no reason to "protect" others. I think that it's simple to understand.
If you have a cough going on, then don a mask till it goes away. And isolate yourself as much as reasonably possible. That's the right thing to do. But don't chastise me if my face isn't covered.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask. thank you

[dtennent]

Wearing a mask protects others ---ONLY IF THE WEARER HAS COVID !
I don't wear it most of the time. Only in stores that ask you to cover before entering.
Most anti-maskers don't wear one because it's a pain in the butt, and they don't have Covid, so there is no reason to "protect" others. I think that it's simple to understand.
If you have a cough going on, then don a mask till it goes away. And isolate yourself as much as reasonably possible. That's the right thing to do. But don't chastise me if my face isn't covered.

Unfortunately, you may be contagious before you feel symptoms. If you are not wearing a mask at that point, you are part of the problem.

[golfing eagles]

Unfortunately, you may be contagious before you feel symptoms. If you are not wearing a mask at that point, you are part of the problem.

IF you are "contagious", but not coughing, sneezing or spraying you words and 6 feet away from others, you cannot infect anyone. Just don't go around kissing strangers:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Sacrifice? Many Americans don't know the meaning of the word. We won't even allow taxes to be raised to pay for all our government programs, but try to cut any and the screaming starts. and wailing about the 2021 Cola being 1.3 % every other year it’s just a boring complaint, but this year it’s disgusting to hear people complain while so many people have no jobs and are in danger of being evicted from there homes

[KRM0614]

We are burning through nurses and doctors. I hope it's the ones who refuse to wear masks who end up with no medical care.
Terrible thing to say

[talleyjm]

“the science®”says that wearing a mask provides a level of protection and since my household follows “the science ®” we wear ours at all times.

24/7, 365. ???

[NavyVet]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.

Some very good points and well said. In general, it seems that each generation gets more spoiled, more selfish, more narcissistic than the previous one. Both patriotism and common sense are falling by the wayside. The whole country is in deep trouble, and not just from this pandemic. I predict it will be at least another full year before this current virus runs its course/gets under control.

[Joe C.]

Unfortunately, you may be contagious before you feel symptoms. If you are not wearing a mask at that point, you are part of the problem.

And what would the chances of that be ????
In the thousands of one percent? Got a better chance of being struck by lightning.

[Bogie Shooter]

If someone NOT Wearing a mask gets up in your face, could you shot them in self defense?

under Florida law, of course.

[Nevermore]

And yet another individual worshiping at the altar of the holy mask. Masks can be useful in the appropriate setting, but they are not a suit of armor, they are not magical, and they are not worth the hysteria surrounding them. Right now, your best defense is social distancing. When that is not possible, a mask will offer SOME mitigation of spread, but certainly not immunity. Eventually there will be a (hopefully effective) vaccine. That's the current state of affairs.

Now, to equate mask wearing with "patriotism" and the sacrifices of WWII is simply absurd, almost a religious fanaticism. There have been dozens of pandemics in the last 2 centuries, and this one is far from the worst, yet never has there been such a drastic response by government, nor such a divisiveness among our citizens. It's amazing how many are watching the daily tally of new cases, even though that is a meaningless statistic. It's amazing how many go to a certain event then feel obligated to post how many were and weren't wearing masks. Some are stupid enough to say something to another person; they should realize that that is inherently dangerous

Everyone needs to take this down a notch, exercise common sense and eventually it will end, just like all other pandemics.

And on what do you base your opinion that masks are not useful? Ever medical person says to wear them.

[golfing eagles]

And on what do you base your opinion that masks are not useful? Ever medical person says to wear them.

Please point out the phrase in my post that says masks are not useful. Seems like a lot of people need remedial reading today

[Windguy]

Preaching about this everyday means NOTHING. Some are not going to wear a mask.......move on with your life
I felt it was appropriate because people seem to ignore the fact that we are essentially at war. This way of looking at the problem has not been mentioned before from what I can tell.

[coffeebean]

Certainly you can't be serious. Are you? You wear it to bed at home? You wear it when driving alone in a car with the windows up? 24/7/365?????

All I can say is Res ipsa loquitur

I took that comment to be tongue in cheek. Actually, the poster was making fun of those who are proponents of masking.

[coffeebean]

Wearing a mask protects others ---ONLY IF THE WEARER HAS COVID !
I don't wear it most of the time. Only in stores that ask you to cover before entering.
Most anti-maskers don't wear one because it's a pain in the butt, and they don't have Covid, so there is no reason to "protect" others. I think that it's simple to understand.
If you have a cough going on, then don a mask till it goes away. And isolate yourself as much as reasonably possible. That's the right thing to do. But don't chastise me if my face isn't covered.

Folks need to be made aware of what asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic means. Asymptomatic means "without symptoms" and pre-symptomatic means "before symptoms begin".

Anyone COULD be contagious with Covid and not even be aware they are sick or contagious. This is the reason we are requested to wear masks when we can not maintain social distancing, especially indoors.

We are requested to wear masks to slow the spread of the virus until we can develop herd immunity safely with a vaccine.

[kenoc7]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.
Well said. I can't believe the self-delusion and misinterpretation of "freedom" by those who say they are/should be free to choose. Freedom doesn't mean doing whatever you want to do, freedom is doing what you want to do while making sure that you aren't harming others in any way.

[Bucco]

This thread reminds me of that quote by Peter Marshall, ex Senate chaplain


‪"May we think of freedom not as the right to do as we please, but as the opportunity to do what is right.” ‬

[sallybowron]

I completely agree with you. When I ride past an alleged Villager who is not waring a mask, I am ashamed that I live in a place where people dub themselves as being "entitled." People should at least know that many here are an at-risk population. I ride past all the people playing golf and wonder if my chance to play again will ever come.
Since my cancer diagnosis I have had to go to almost every doctor in TV. (at least it seems like it.) When I get to the doctor's office I realize I am not the only person who is at-risk for Covid. Your right to not be"forced" to wear a mask pales in the face of my right to live a little longer. Grow up put your facemask on!!
Up until the facemask recommendation came along, I considered these people to be well educated people. Now, not so much. In today's
world you can kill someone with a dumb decision as well as with a war.
Some people have told me to just stay inside, but house calls are a thing of the past. Additionally, I still need to grocery shop at times, go to the pharmacy, go to church, etc.I have stayed in most of the time for almost 12 weeks now, It is so boring.

[thelegges]

I completely agree with you. When I ride past an alleged Villager who is not waring a mask, I am ashamed that I live in a place where people dub themselves as being "entitled." People should at least know that many here are an at-risk population. I ride past all the people playing golf and wonder if my chance to play again will ever come.
Since my cancer diagnosis I have had to go to almost every doctor in TV. (at least it seems like it.) When I get to the doctor's office I realize I am not the only person who is at-risk for Covid. Your right to not be"forced" to wear a mask pales in the face of my right to live a little longer. Grow up put your facemask on!!
Up until the facemask recommendation came along, I considered these people to be well educated people. Now, not so much. In today's
world you can kill someone with a dumb decision as well as with a war.
Some people have told me to just stay inside, but house calls are a thing of the past. Additionally, I still need to grocery shop at times, go to the pharmacy, go to church, etc.I have stayed in most of the time for almost 12 weeks now, It is so boring.

As at risk with chemo on board, why have you not had your meds, groceries and such brought to your front door. During Covid, my oncologist came to my cube, during chemo so I was not exposed in an office. But then again I really wasn’t up to going anywhere Since my WC was zero. Boring was not in the picture for 12 weeks, I was just glad the week was over, and only had X amount of treatment to go

[JimJohnson]

IF you are "contagious", but not coughing, sneezing or spraying you words and 6 feet away from others, you cannot infect anyone. Just don't go around kissing strangers:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
I don’t find Covid funny at all.

[JimJohnson]

under Florida law, of course.

Your right, it’s called stand your ground. :coolsmiley:

[golfing eagles]

I don’t find Covid funny at all.

Let's see if we all can follow this:

I assume the post I was responding to was read
I assume my post was read
The point of my post was obviously that you cannot catch COVID from an asymptomatic individual at least 6 feet away who is not coughing, sneezing or spraying their words, even if they are not wearing a mask
That meaning apparently eluded the person who I am responding to now
The point was that much closer contact would be needed
And for the coup de gras, that poster jumped/leaped/lunged to the conclusion that I find COVID "funny". Mr. Spock would not applaud THAT logic.

COVID is deadly serious. The post I'm responding to is funny, but not in the ha-ha way.

[JimJohnson]

Let's see if we all can follow this:

I assume the post I was responding to was read
I assume my post was read
The point of my post was obviously that you cannot catch COVID from an asymptomatic individual at least 6 feet away who is not coughing, sneezing or spraying their words, even if they are not wearing a mask
That meaning apparently eluded the person who I am responding to now
The point was that much closer contact would be needed
And for the coup de gras, that poster jumped/leaped/lunged to the conclusion that I find COVID "funny". Mr. Spock would not applaud THAT logic.

COVID is deadly serious. The post I'm responding to is funny, but not in the ha-ha way.

Sorry, I find mocking or laughing about Covid 19 distasteful No matter how it is worded. Once a family member dies from Covid-19 the ha ha ha will fade from most of us.
:pray:

[golfing eagles]

Sorry, I find mocking or laughing about Covid 19 distasteful No matter how it is worded. Once a family member dies from Covid-19 the ha ha ha will fade from most of us.
:pray:

Wow, I was not "mocking" COVID. I posted, in plain black and white English, that COVID is deadly serious. Lighten up before you pop an aneurysm, please.

[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles View Post
IF you are "contagious", but not coughing, sneezing or spraying you words and 6 feet away from others, you cannot infect anyone. Just don't go around kissing strangers
Your quote was followed by three laughing mimes

No offense, but I personally do not find COVID-19 a laughing matter.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles View Post
IF you are "contagious", but not coughing, sneezing or spraying you words and 6 feet away from others, you cannot infect anyone. Just don't go around kissing strangers
Your quote was followed by three laughing mimes

No offense, but I personally do not find COVID-19 a laughing matter.

No offense, but you still don't get it.

COVID is not funny, I already posted it is deadly serious.
Kissing strangers is funny, even before COVID

[Cherylmcdaniel]

Normal flu season at least 80K people die....in the past 60 years of my life never tried to stop the flu virus, other than, eat health, vitamin C, maybe some get a vaccine (50% of the people vaccinated were part of the 80K)
Do our part, social distance, if your sick stay home, order groceries on line if your vulnerable... carry on fellow Americans

[JimJohnson]

Normal flu season at least 80K people die....in the past 60 years of my life never tried to stop the flu virus, other than, eat health, vitamin C, maybe some get a vaccine (50% of the people vaccinated were part of the 80K)
Do our part, social distance, if your sick stay home, order groceries on line if your vulnerable... carry on fellow Americans

:bigbow: To the point without humor.

I always get a vaccine every year and will when Covid vaccine is made available. I am not superstitious and WILL follow the Guidance of the Doctor and scientific professionals.

Be safe everyone.

[Tracy Turnbull]

And yet another individual worshiping at the altar of the holy mask. Masks can be useful in the appropriate setting, but they are not a suit of armor, they are not magical, and they are not worth the hysteria surrounding them. Right now, your best defense is social distancing. When that is not possible, a mask will offer SOME mitigation of spread, but certainly not immunity. Eventually there will be a (hopefully effective) vaccine. That's the current state of affairs.

Now, to equate mask wearing with "patriotism" and the sacrifices of WWII is simply absurd, almost a religious fanaticism. There have been dozens of pandemics in the last 2 centuries, and this one is far from the worst, yet never has there been such a drastic response by government, nor such a divisiveness among our citizens. It's amazing how many are watching the daily tally of new cases, even though that is a meaningless statistic. It's amazing how many go to a certain event then feel obligated to post how many were and weren't wearing masks. Some are stupid enough to say something to another person; they should realize that that is inherently dangerous

Everyone needs to take this down a notch, exercise common sense and eventually it will end, just like all other pandemics.

But FEAR is power....and apparently now a virtue...its crazy.

[Eg_cruz]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.
I wear a mask because
I respect the businesses and their employees who are doing their best to stay open
I respect my client who come into my office and do our best to have a safe environment for them
I respect my grandson who has underlined health issues
I don’t go to high risk events
I don’t have high risk events
I don’t believe any doctors or scientists in the US because they have made this a political issue NOT a health issue (that one burns me the most)
I read reports from other countries on what’s working for them
I read history reports on how pandemics were handled and how they came to an end
So if we go by history social distancing and just plain exposure is how they ending and yes mask proved to help slow the spread
So ride in the middle be smart stay away from high risk and wear your mask when you can’t social distances
Pretty simple

[Eg_cruz]

Sorry, but you are deluding yourself. The level of protection varies with the scenario, but much of the time, like the examples I cited, your level of protection is ZERO
Read the John Hopkins study on mask....they absolutely Slow the spread

[Eg_cruz]

We just purchased hazmat suits from Amazon. “The science ®” says that is the best level of protection. I think everyone should wear one while in public. If people disagree with me they must be science deniers.
😂🤣😂🤣😂

[Cheiro]

I find the controversy over mask wearing interesting. It seems we Americans are very slow to adapt many patriotic if not lifesaving changes in the way we live our lives. Today we get into our cars and before even starting the engine, we put on our seat belt and we do this without a second thought. Are we not old enough to remember the massive controversy in the 1970's over the issues of wearing seat belts in our cars? At the time it was presented as such a life-saving practice that thousands of lives could be saved by this simple device. However, Americans resisted it "tooth and nail." Eventually, the practicality and efficacy, much less the lives it saved, became obvious to Americans and we adopted the practice. And here we are again. A simple "live-saving" device is being resisted and for the same bogus reason, so-called "freedom." We like to think of ourselves as being "free" do to whatever we like. The reality is, of course, that is not true. Our activities are restricted every day by laws, practices and courtesy and especially in this instance since freedom does not allow you to infect another person with your disease. So, please wear your mask and protect not only yourself, but your fellow Americans.
Thank you.

[timjones]

Too many people take propganda as "gospel", without teasing out the truth.

Example; Tom Brokaw writes a book called "the Greatest Generation". Its a popular book, partly because it validates that generation that still lives and provides their children with some comfort as they contemplate the loss or coming loss of their parents.
All good stuff, but our society then concludes that the book's title is undisputed truth.

But it is disputed, at least by me. I believe America's greatest generation was the last 25 years of the 18th century - the revolutionary generation was the greatest! Theirs was a greater individual sacrifice and produced greater results for our collective posterity than any other!

But my world war 2 parents trained me to "do your own thinking". Follow others only to the extent you believe they are right.

As the OP stated most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. This is probably true, but its also true that a significant minority were "selfish" - they only sought to "game the system" for their own benefit.

Today I observe a majority of people conforming to the so-called guidelines, while a significant minority takes an alternative approach. At this level I see no difference in the generations. (BTW a similar statement could be made of the real greatest generation - the revolutionary generation)

Personally, I take the guidelines under consideration and employ them only when I determine they may be tactically useful. In short, I take in new information (doing my best to ignore the accompanying propaganda) and incorporate it into my thinking.

Thus I still do my own thinking while refraining from telling others how they should think.

Though I do sometimes share my thoughts with others, partly because I perceive it may benefit them but mostly to invite them to criticize my thinking so I might find more truth to improve my own thinking.

American's constant need to analogize anything in terms of war(empty rhetoric mostly coming from politicians). War on crime, war on drugs, war on cancer, war on disease, etc.

The war analogy is an over simplification. In this COVID war, how do we deal with the conscientious objects? You know who I am referring, those doctors and nurses (as well as those in the food production and delivery pipeline) that decide not to work. Do we force them to work or put them in prison them like in a real war, of course not BECAUSE IT IS NOT A WAR!

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask. Since its not a war the label of patriot does not compute in this context.

Be a REAL INDIVIDUAL HUMAN, do your own thinking while continuously being humane!.

Meritorious criticism encouraged.

[crazydeb10@yahoo.ca]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.

Amen 🙏. Well said.

[golfing eagles]

Read the John Hopkins study on mask....they absolutely Slow the spread

YOU read it, or re-read it, and then tell me where it states wearing a mask while driving in a car alone with the windows up slows the spread

[Bucco]

All simply rhetoric.

The COS of our WH said this today...
________________________________
“We are not going to get control of the pandemic.”

Says we will instead try to get therapeutics and vaccines rather than trying to control the spread
_________________________

Given that he is speaking for our government, it appears we just have given up.

We were told perhaps by mid October, now it appears it will be well into 2021 before we will have general availability. My source is the New York Times which follows all trials closely and maintains a log of each.

Coronavirus Vaccine Tracker - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html)

I have zero medical background, but it seems we, as a country are going with the herd immunity...my words, because nobody seems to want to address the virus at all. From my reading, this strategy comes with extensive more sickness and death, yet we still mock folks who wear them.

I am confused...but it's probably just me.

UPDATE "We will know whether a vaccine is safe and effective by the end of November, beginning of December," the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said. "The amount of doses that will be available in December will not certainly be enough to vaccinate everybody -- you'll have to wait several months into 2021."

[JimJohnson]

YOU read it, or re-read it, and then tell me where it states wearing a mask while driving in a car alone with the windows up slows the spread

Calm down golfing eagle. I love you and even more so if you can love others!

[kdbaumann11]

If Londoners had behaved during WWII (blackout curtains) the way Americans are behaving now, we’d be using a very different salute today.

[crazydeb10@yahoo.ca]

Me too. They don't deserve your help. Bothers me that the President talks like this virus is nothing. And now Pence is out when 5 of his people have tested positive for Covid-19. Selfish and they have no Respect for others.

[Lindsyburnsy]

As I recall, there is a "patriot" who thinks those that gave their lives are suckers and losers. Won't even wear a mask and ridicules those that do.
We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.[/QUOTE]

[nick demis]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.

World wide there are a large percentage of scientist whose research prove that unless you are wearing a very effective mask, they are useless, that means that 99% of the masks being used are useless. I guess the science only matters if it fits your narrative.

[Byte1]

So, lets see if I have this correct.
If you wear a mask, you are patriotic? If you don't, you are not? Hmmmm, I guess my service in combat zones in SE Asia and the Middle East, doesn't count.
If I do not agree on the multitude of mask wearing theories, then I am not patriotic? I am selfish if I do not see it the hysterical, panicked way?
Gotta love it when someone says stuff like this. Kind of like how folks say you are being selfish if you do not wear a seatbelt to protect yourself, because if you get injured someone else's insurance may go up.
Sorry, but that dog just don't hunt.

[golfing eagles]

So, lets see if I have this correct.
If you wear a mask, you are patriotic? If you don't, you are not? Hmmmm, I guess my service in combat zones in SE Asia and the Middle East, doesn't count.
If I do not agree on the multitude of mask wearing theories, then I am not patriotic? I am selfish if I do not see it the hysterical, panicked way?
Gotta love it when someone says stuff like this. Kind of like how folks say you are being selfish if you do not wear a seatbelt to protect yourself, because if you get injured someone else's insurance may go up.
Sorry, but that dog just don't hunt.

Thank you for your service!

Here's a reply from another mask thread to those who think not wearing a mask (except when appropriate) are selfish/unpatriotic/entitled, so I'll steal it

"Seriously?

I’ll bet you spent the last 50 years allowing well over a million people to die from the flu and you never wore a mask once.

If you want to mask shame someone, go look in the mirror."

I think that says it best

[Byte1]

Someone suggested that there are those that "mock" those that wear masks. Sensitive much? Do you call it "mocking" if someone does not agree with your view? I have not heard of anyone mocking, but I have heard of those that feel they are right say that "if you do not agree with me, then you are not patriotic" or "if you do not agree with me, then you are selfish." Get over it, some folks agree and some do not. Leave it at that. Yes, I believe that a mask has a certain amount of protection from pollen and germs. SOME. It is easy to say it helps, but they also say that coughing into your sleeve is a form of protection. How much protection is sufficient? Is the placebo effect, good enough to get the hysterical off your back? Will a simple paper mask, loosely connected to the face going to give the hysterical a warm and fuzzy feeling? How about a military gas mask with a hazmat suit? Maybe I believe that is the ONLY way to be sure of protecting yourself. Maybe I believe that you are being selfish unless you spend a handful of money on a certified, medically approved mask. Maybe I demand that you wear a pair of gloves and eye protection. How much is enough? How much will make the hysterical feel comfortable about leaving their homes?
It has nothing to do with patriotism. Patriotism is when you volunteer to take someone's place in a factory making certified masks when the regular employee is sick and unable to work. Patriotism is when you volunteer at a hot zone hospital assisting hospital personnel treating sick patients. Patriotism is volunteering for a vaccine test.
Some of you believe that guilt trips are convincing. You believe that if someone does not agree with you then they are selfish and unpatriotic. Maybe its' just that some do not agree with your view on the subject. Before making accusations, you should walk in their shoes, try to compare their sacrifice for their country to what you perceive to be an adequate example of your view on "patriotism."
FYI: I do not disagree with the wearing of masks. But, I do disagree with those that feel they are the experts on who should wear the masks and when. I also feel that it is not my responsibility to protect you when you are too ******* to stay away from folks that scare you. I do not feel that I must drive an electric car just so you can feel warm and fuzzy about saving the planet. But, if you wish to drive an electric car, then go for it. Wear your mask for the rest of your life, just to be sure to feel safe. After all, the flu season is close. Oops, is that "mocking" you? Hmm, perhaps it is.

[GPGuar]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.

OMG... just how many posts do we have to have about wearing masks?! Enough already, people will do what they want. There’s three posts just today on the subject and God knows how many over the last few months!

[Bucco]

World wide there are a large percentage of scientist whose research prove that unless you are wearing a very effective mask, they are useless, that means that 99% of the masks being used are useless. I guess the science only matters if it fits your narrative.

Do you have links to those world wide scientists ?

Thanks

[coffeebean]

World wide there are a large percentage of scientist whose research prove that unless you are wearing a very effective mask, they are useless, that means that 99% of the masks being used are useless. I guess the science only matters if it fits your narrative.

Useless in what regard? Useless as a protective measure for the wearer of the mask or useless to protect others?

[rrb48310]

During World War II, Americans were asked to make many sacrifices. They were asked to limit their consumption of meat and processed foods because the soldiers abroad needed them. Sugar rations were half of what people normally consumed. Gasoline was limited to three gallons per week. People were asked to wear warmer clothes so that less fuel was needed to heat their homes and offices. People were asked to take shorter showers. People were even asked to contribute their rubber hoses so they could be converted into tires. These were REAL sacrifices and, thankfully, most Americans did their patriotic duty to help in the war effort. And, although such sacrifices were hard on civilians, they were NOTHING compared to what many men and women sacrificed when the put their very lives on the line to fight the enemy. I doubt that a large percentage of the populace complained that their rights were being taken away. People were true patriots then and they showed it by making sacrifices to help with the war effort instead of merely wrapping themselves in the flag and proclaiming their “rights.”

We are at war again. But this time the enemy is invisible. The enemy doesn’t honor front lines, but sneaks past those who risk their lives every day to fight this war. If the enemy touches you, you become an unwitting assistant in its battle against us. This increases the risk to our friends, families, and our front-line “soldiers,” the people who work in our hospitals and clinics. But, we know how to win this war. It really is quite easy. If we all made the tiniest sacrifice of wearing a mask, we could beat this enemy in no time. Such sacrifices are NOTHING compared to what our parents made to win WW2. So, we now call them “The Greatest Generation.” Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Do you think we rate such a moniker? I don’t think so. Because of our defiance in helping with the war effort, we will probably be known in the future as something more like “The Selfish Generation.” Many of us refused to wear a mask because it was our “right” to go uncovered. Really? Oh, the humanity! We greedily hoarded toilet paper, sanitizer, and the PPE that robbed our front-line soldiers of the battle gear they needed to fight the war. We are NOT patriots. We pale in comparison to our parents. We should be ashamed.

Be a REAL patriot. Wear a mask.

:BigApplause: Beautifully said. It sad that 40% of America can’t see it, it starts at the top.:pray:

[donassaid]

Fake news. Masks do NOT limit tge spread of tge virus and I am sick and tired of people trying to guilt everyone into wearing masks by calling us selfish. The CDC just released a report showing that, of all the people who have tested positive for Corona virus, 84% of them wore a mask "most of the time or all the time". Only 16% of those testing positive did not wear a mask or wore it only if mandated. So tell me now, which group would you rather be in?

[asianthree]

Sorry OP you were only at war as you call it if you were on the front line in any healthcare facility... sitting at your computer does not count in my book as fighting anything.

Then think of the over 600,000 healthcare workers wearing multiple masks, gloves, hats, booties, duel gowns, goggles, or shields Still tested Positive for Covid. Do you really think one mask is going to do a better job? After 5 months on the front line, I have in person experience, not something I read online.

I support wearing a mask in closed space, but I know it will not stop me from Covid if the person next to me is positive.

[Nightengale212]

Sorry OP you were only at war as you call it if you were on the front line in any healthcare facility... sitting at your computer does not count in my book as fighting anything.

Then think of the over 600,000 healthcare workers wearing multiple masks, gloves, hats, booties, duel gowns, goggles, or shields Still tested Positive for Covid. Do you really think one mask is going to do a better job? After 5 months on the front line, I have in person experience, not something I read online.

I support wearing a mask in closed space, but I know it will not stop me from Covid if the person next to me is positive.

Like you, during the early months of the Covid outbreak I worked the frontline. I went from my job as a primary care R.N. case manager in a hospital based primary care clinic to triage nurse of patients with Covid symptoms which many later found positive. Fortunately for me with my high exposure and only PPE during that time being a flimsy surgical mask which I was issued only a new one weekly I never contracted Covid. Eventually my facility got it's act together and created an isolated Covid screening and treatment area with designated staff which allowed me to return to my previous case management work.

All that being said, what has concerned me more than anything which I have witnessed many negative outcomes as a result, is those already medically fragile patients who faced a delay in much needed care because all the focus has been on Covid. In addition to surgery delays, countless patients have had colonoscopies, mammograms, and other procedures that can early detect equally deadly diseases as Covid where initiation of early treatment is imperative to enhance their chances of survival.

At present being the R.N. on a team of one full-time internal medical doctor, and one part-time along with several support staff both my doctors are booked out until February for in clinic face to face patient appointments. As best as they can they try to do daily multiple telephone and virtual appointments, but these will never replace a face to face hands on patient evaluation. Just this past week we were finally able to get a patient in that complained of a skin lesion which virtually looked benign. Yes indeed that lesion still looked benign when the doctor got to look at it in person, but doing a full body inspection discovered a lesion behind the patient's ear that he did not know he had that is very suspicious for melanoma which is a very aggressive skin cancer. Now this patient has to wait to see a dermatologist which most are booked further out for face to face visits than we are.

And to make matters worse, many patients I speak with daily who have concerning symptoms unrelated to Covid but likely related to one or more of their serious chronic illnesses even if we are able to overbook their doctor in a face to face appointment they do not want to come into the clinic because they fear the Covid exposure they will have in the clinic. After nearly a week of coaxing one patient to come in to see the doctor he finally agreed to yesterday. When we got the lab results back on the tests the doctor ordered on him his Hct and Hbg were so low we had to send him to the ER for a blood transfusion. The ER doctor wanted to admit him as he most likely had a GI Bleed but the patient for fear of Covid remaining in the hospital he signed out AMA. Sadly, if he does have a serious GI bleed and does not get the necessary treatment he can very well die as a result.

These scenarios that I just described are happening everywhere, and sadly when all is said an done with Covid, from my personal experience in my little corner of healthcare I suspect more people will have died not from Covid but from limited access to diagnostics and delayed or no treatment for other serious non Covid related health issues.

[PugMom]

Certainly you can't be serious. Are you? You wear it to bed at home? You wear it when driving alone in a car with the windows up? 24/7/365?????

All I can say is Res ipsa loquitur

yes, while sleeping is the most important--:ho:

[PugMom]

Wow, I was not "mocking" COVID. I posted, in plain black and white English, that COVID is deadly serious. Lighten up before you pop an aneurysm, please.

it's a religion to some--can't figure it out, don't want to, too early :mornincoffee:

[coffeebean]

Fake news. Masks do NOT limit tge spread of tge virus and I am sick and tired of people trying to guilt everyone into wearing masks by calling us selfish. The CDC just released a report showing that, of all the people who have tested positive for Corona virus, 84% of them wore a mask "most of the time or all the time". Only 16% of those testing positive did not wear a mask or wore it only if mandated. So tell me now, which group would you rather be in?

The 84% of mask wearing people were infected by people who did not wear masks. Keep in mind, masks do very little to protect the wearer of the mask. Masks are worn to protect the people around the wearer of the mask.

To reiterate.....the mask wearers were not protecting themselves but they were protecting other people. If everyone wore a mask, we would all be protected and that 84% of people who tested positive would probably yield a much less positivity rate.

The people who did not wear masks are lucky they were around people who did wear masks. That is probably why only 16% of non mask wearers tested positive.

[coffeebean]

Sorry OP you were only at war as you call it if you were on the front line in any healthcare facility... sitting at your computer does not count in my book as fighting anything.

Then think of the over 600,000 healthcare workers wearing multiple masks, gloves, hats, booties, duel gowns, goggles, or shields Still tested Positive for Covid. Do you really think one mask is going to do a better job? After 5 months on the front line, I have in person experience, not something I read online.

I support wearing a mask in closed space, but I know it will not stop me from Covid if the person next to me is positive.

Not in a healthcare setting......I always keep my distance from others with the exception of my husband. I keep my distance, wear a mask indoors and keep my hands away from my face.

[Topspinmo]

In those times, very few Americans found ways to avoid going to the military. People are becoming less patriotic and more self centered every year.

But, after ww2 the draft boards was sleazy. Especially during VN. That’s why when to lottery system so the rich and connected couldn’t get immediate deferment.

[Kilmacowen]

It's amazing how effective mask mandate in Canada is. Also South Korea.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The number of seasonal flu cases is way, way down this year. My doctor believes that it is because of so many people wearing masks, washing their hands, using hand sanitizer and social distancing. More people have also gotten the flu vaccine as well. So there may be a side benefit to all of these protocols.

[Sabella]

:bigbow: To the point without humor.

I always get a vaccine every year and will when Covid vaccine is made available. I am not superstitious and WILL follow the Guidance of the Doctor and scientific professionals.

Be safe everyone.. Let’s hope the government gets it right this year and administers the right flu vaccine for the strain of the flu that is going around. They have made mistakes in previous years. PS the doctors and scientific professionals keep changing their guidance.

[golfing eagles]

The number of seasonal flu cases is way, way down this year. My doctor believes that it is because of so many people wearing masks, washing their hands, using hand sanitizer and social distancing. More people have also gotten the flu vaccine as well. So there may be a side benefit to all of these protocols.

Flu season has not even begun yet