New video contains 7 minute segment about The Villages

[rustyp]

The U.S. Presidential Election: Can Donald Trump can once again defy the polls? | Four Corners - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf3Ps5dHxrE)


Segment from the 7 minute to the 14 minute mark about The Villages. I wish I could edit this to just that segment as the rest of the video is about how important it is to win Florida in the upcoming election. My purpose is not political but to point out how we - The Villagers look to the rest of the country independent of political party and relay some sadness this has personally caused me. There is a segment around the 10 minute mark that describes people having become so hostile to each other they have been ousted from social circles. This hits home for me. For years I had a golf group playing 3 times per week. Last year it got so bad as leader had to make a rule no talking politics. Didn't work. We had to abandon the group and some friendships parted ways.

[Bogie Shooter]

The U.S. Presidential Election: Can Donald Trump can once again defy the polls? | Four Corners - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf3Ps5dHxrE)


Segment from the 7 minute to the 14 minute mark about The Villages. I wish I could edit this to just that segment as the rest of the video is about how important it is to win Florida in the upcoming election. My purpose is not political but to point out how we - The Villagers look to the rest of the country independent of political party and relay some sadness this has personally caused me. There is a segment around the 10 minute mark that describes people having become so hostile to each other they have been ousted from social circles. This hits home for me. For years I had a golf group playing 3 times per week. Last year it got so bad as leader had to make a rule no talking politics. Didn't work. We had to abandon the group and some friendships parted ways.

Your experience is not unique to TV.

[rustyp]

Your experience is not unique to TV.

The real heartbreak in this is two of the group has passed away before we all reconciled differences. Please don't let this happen to your group.

[Boomer]

rustyp,

I will try to watch your video later. But I just wanted to say that you bring up an interesting point that I wish we could have a thread discussing — but it probably would not last.

There are so many vignettes of the division in everyday lives of everyday people showing us that many relationships are probably ripped beyond repair.

There was an overheard conversation at a table of ROMEOs (Retired Old Men Eating Out) who were at an outside restaurant. Two of the men said that their adult granddaughters no longer speak to them.

If we ever decide to sell our house, I thought I knew what agent we would use — unless we FSBO. But then her husband decorated his vehicle to the max to go to a parade. I suspected she follows his thinking but even so, how dumb it is to mix business and politics. I won’t forget and our listing now would never be with her. That commission would be a tidy sum and I just don’t feel the same about these people. Petty? I don’t think so. There is too much that has been revealed about who they really are — in my opinion anyway. (I keep my mouth shut but I sometimes wish I did not. I am glad we are not allowed to have signs because I might be tempted to put some in my yard.)

Families, and even couples, are being torn up to a place far beyond anything remotely imaginable in politics-past.

It makes me sad. (“It was my party and I’ll cry if I want to.” That’s probably what I would put on a sign — a sign from which only an elder-Boomer would pick up the allusion.)

[xcaligirl]

The Villages isn't what it was when we moved here in 2014. The people are outrageously rude, mean, no filters and for no reason! I have no idea what happened over the years but I would love to find somewhere else to live. My husband FINALLY got to see the true colors come out in people today.... I'm actually embarrassed for their attitude and the way they act!

[manaboutown]

I'll take how things are in The Villages, over how they are in Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, NYC and the like any day.

[Stu from NYC]

I'll take how things are in The Villages, over how they are in Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, NYC and the like any day.

Very true.

People should be able to vote as they wish without the hatred that is springing up all over.

My 3 sisters hate Trump and are mad at me for voting for him

Hopefully this will end after the election.

[EdFNJ]

I'll take how things are in The Villages, over how they are in Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, NYC and the like any day. Of course you would prefer how things are here since there is barely any diversity you'll never have to worry about anything like that here and for probably another 60 miles. Your "comparison" of those areas to here isn't even close to reality. Living here is like burying one's head in the sand wrt most of the rest of the country. As long as there is golf courses and dogs and dancing every night everything is great.

[graciegirl]

Of course you would prefer how things are here since there is barely any diversity you'll never have to worry about anything like that here and for probably another 60 miles. Your "comparison" of those areas to here isn't even close to reality. Living here is like burying one's head in the sand wrt most of the rest of the country. As long as there is golf courses and dogs and dancing every night everything is great.

Just because we live as we grew up doesn't mean we are racist. I was told by family as a young person that when it was time to pick a mate to choose someone who is the most like the people you know and respect. I did. It was good advice. It isn't WRONG to enjoy people who think and believe similarly to yourself. Unless you are an Ax murderer.

Perhaps diversity is extolled. It isn't always comfortable.

[manaboutown]

Of course you would prefer how things are here since there is barely any diversity you'll never have to worry about anything like that here and for probably another 60 miles. Your "comparison" of those areas to here isn't even close to reality. Living here is like burying one's head in the sand wrt most of the rest of the country. As long as there is golf courses and dogs and dancing every night everything is great.

It is a free country. People can choose to live where they prefer. I am grateful for that.

I want to feel safe 24 hours a day wherever I choose to go as well as at home and happily live my life among law abiding, well educated congenial people whose companionship I relish. I love warm weather, am not fond of large crowds or having to breathe environmental tobacco smoke.

Others' preferences may vary as we are each unique.

[Klatu]

The Villages is not unique in the division that pops up. The whole country is divided. Division was already there but it was below the surface. Now it is out in the open and not likely to get better anytime soon. It started years ago, with the aftermath of the Viet Nam war, Roe v. Wade, the Bork case, etc. Now we are at the point of an election that is seen as critical to the direction of the nation. On one side is hatred; on the other, fear -- a combustible mixture. If you think the riots we have seen in the news were bad, wait till the ones coming Nov. 3 and thereafter.

P.S. Generally speaking, the folks here are polite, considerate, helpful and friendly -- unlike some other places I will not bother to mention. Suggesting there are better, friendlier places to live is like looking for the Fountain of Youth or the Lost City of Atlantis -- relax and enjoy where you are. This is a great community!

[Bucco]

81 years old. Been deeply involved in politics and political differences.

Never ever Seen anything like what has been created.

Shame is nobody will allow discussion of the reason

Seems the reason is founded in hate, not political differences....not issue discussions at all. Hate is difficult to discuss.

[Two Bills]

As outsiders looking in, my wife and I have seen the division, and most noticeable, the sheer intolerence between opinions getting worse each year
Over the last 20 years when playing golf or whatever activity, politics was seldom if ever mentioned, but for the last 4-5 years there was never a game without it being mentioned, and the vehemence and hostility shown by either side of the divide was quite frightening in some cases.
How reason and tolerance can ever be restored I have no idea, but unless people decide to stand back and say, we have to stop this before it is totaly out of control, the unthinkable could become a reality.
Your wonderful community, and country, is tearing itself apart!

[Bucco]

As outsiders looking in, my wife and I have seen the division, and most noticeable, the sheer intolerence between opinions getting worse each year
Over the last 20 years when playing golf or whatever activity, politics was seldom if ever mentioned, but for the last 4-5 years there was never a game without it being mentioned, and the vehemence and hostility shown by either side of the divide was quite frightening in some cases.
How reason and tolerance can ever be restored I have no idea, but unless people decide to stand back and say, we have to stop this before it is totaly out of control, the unthinkable could become a reality.
Your wonderful community, and country, is tearing itself apart!

Again, I use my personal experiences, but when did politics become insulting, demeaning, accusing of so many facets of American life ?

Where in the world do people expect language like that to end ?

There is only one destination....it is inevitable, and that ending solves no problem ever.

We live with it each and every day....in your face constantly. Think about it.....that kind of rhetoric cannot have a satisfactory ending. If you are labeled and attacked or called names, are you to simply forget it ? How long do you keep quiet.

This is not political differences....

[graciegirl]

Again, I use my personal experiences, but when did politics become insulting, demeaning, accusing of so many facets of American life ?

Where in the world do people expect language like that to end ?

There is only one destination....it is inevitable, and that ending solves no problem ever.

We live with it each and every day....in your face constantly. Think about it.....that kind of rhetoric cannot have a satisfactory ending. If you are labeled and attacked or called names, are you to simply forget it ? How long do you keep quiet.

This is not political differences....

Most posters on TOTV react and post to a wide genre of subjects. Most posters easily see the humor in other's posts and can laugh at themselves. Most posters on TOTV are interested in many things. Most of our lives do not begin and end with politics and politicians. After we begin to access and clearly "see" the foibles and faults of people in the public eye we than should say...That is how he acts. I won't vote for him and just not let it "get" to us. It harms us to obsess about people who may very well not be of influence in a couple of weeks. There was a large group who gathered on Friday, but a larger group that did not gather on Friday here in The Villages. Like Billethekid often reminds us. It isn't wise to focus on the few. It is the silent majority who usually runs the railroad.

[New Englander]

81 years old. Been deeply involved in politics and political differences.

Never ever Seen anything like what has been created.

Shame is nobody will allow discussion of the reason

Seems the reason is founded in hate, not political differences....not issue discussions at all. Hate is difficult to discuss.

It was created by the media and they are feeding the fire every day.

[Bucco]

Most posters on TOTV react and post to a wide genre of subjects. Most posters easily see the humor in other's posts and can laugh at themselves. Most posters on TOTV are interested in many things. Most of our lives do not begin and end with politics and politicians. After we begin to access and clearly "see" the foibles and faults of people in the public eye we than should say...That is how he acts. I won't vote for him and just not let it "get" to us. It harms us to obsess about people who may very well not be of influence in a couple of weeks. There was a large group who gathered on Friday, but a larger group that did not gather on Friday here in The Villages. Like Billethekid often reminds us. It isn't wise to focus on the few. It is the silent majority who usually runs the railroad.

With all due respect, the item or person in question is not simply an ambassador on the golf course and actions from that corner affect every single person, and not just in this country.

Sorry, but that is a fact of life. And I am interested in my "railroad".....I do not consider my "railroad" an idle hobby. I spoke up about every POTUS for the last 60 years and advice from anyone will not deter me. EVERY citizen should learn and do the same.

[Bucco]

It was created by the media and they are feeding the fire every day.

MEDIA REPORTS.

REPORTS is telling someone what happened.

IT is being fed by daily, almost hourly comments that travel the globe representing all of us.

[Boomer]

I just watched rustyp’s linked video from beginning to end. It is a well done Australian production. (The world is watching and some are dancing with glee while others are feeling sorry for us.)

It made me think about Jon Meacham’s book The Soul of America.

The video covers all the bases. It is well worth watching.

Boomer

[Bucco]

I just watched rustyp’s linked video from beginning to end. It is a well done Australian production. (The world is watching and some are dancing with glee while others are feeling sorry for us.)

It made me think about Jon Meacham’s book The Soul of America.

The video covers all the bases. It is well worth watching.

Boomer

But you see those who have not even watched are commenting and criticizing.

[Nucky]

Does this ring a bell? NO POLITICAL REFERENCES ARE ALLOWED ON THE WEBSITE. USERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DIRECT COMMENTS TOWARD ANOTHER USER. DIRECT THEM TO THE TOPIC. VIOLATION OF THESE RULES CAN LEAD TO ACCOUNT TERMINATION AND BAN.

I would give anything to take a couple of shots here but it's against the rules.

[oldtimes]

The problem is that everyone thinks their rights are more important than everyone else’s. EVERYONE has a right to vote for whoever they choose whether you like it or not.

[tvbound]

"Petty? I don’t think so. There is too much that has been revealed about who they really are."

"Seems the reason is founded in hate, not political differences."



Those two statements perfectly sum up where we are right now. Prior to 4 years ago, no one could have convinced me that there were so many people who harbored so much hate for others based on their skin color, gender, place of birth, sexual orientation or anything else that makes them different than themselves. To find out that I have so many friends and relatives, that have apparently had this bottled up for so long and now feel free, nae encouraged, to publicly express it, is like a high-voltage electrical shock to the whole body.

[GoPacers]

One of the great things about our country is you're given the chance to vote for whoever you want. I have always chosen to not let who my friends vote for interfere with our friendship. In fact, I applaud their choice, whatever that may be - and honestly, could care less who they actually vote for. I also make no effort to influence anyone's opinion. I've never lost a friend over politics and hopefully never will.

[billethkid]

Are we hypocrites?
We don't seem to care what any of the "persuasions" are of the folks who sit around us or greet us in church.

In the emergency room we could care less about race, religion and especially politics of those who labor to save us.

Ditto when being rescued by police and or fire.

Ditto when we go to almost any function in the daily lifestyle here in TV (or any where else).

The hate hoopla in the magnifying glass on the few who with the help of the media and social media that make it sound like it is the prevalent mode.

As the old saying goes "...most people are good and well intended...".

[manaboutown]

"Petty? I don’t think so. There is too much that has been revealed about who they really are."

"Seems the reason is founded in hate, not political differences."



Those two statements perfectly sum up where we are right now. Prior to 4 years ago, no one could have convinced me that there were so many people who harbored so much hate for others based on their skin color, gender, place of birth, sexual orientation or anything else that makes them different than themselves. To find out that I have so many friends and relatives, that have apparently had this bottled up for so long and now feel free, nae encouraged, to publicly express it, is like a high-voltage electrical shock to the whole body.

The only hateful people I know of in The Villages are those cursing, impeding and otherwise harassing those peacefully parading for their candidate; outside TV hateful people are assaulting, battering, murdering, rioting, vandalizing, looting, robbing and setting fires. My relatives and friends are just trying to live their lives as peacefully, kindly and enjoyably as they can thank you very much.

[Packer Fan]

81 years old. Been deeply involved in politics and political differences.

Never ever Seen anything like what has been created.

Shame is nobody will allow discussion of the reason

Seems the reason is founded in hate, not political differences....not issue discussions at all. Hate is difficult to discuss.

So true. Lots of Hatred- why do we need to burn down cities to prove some point that nobody really even understands? I am sick of being called names, having my country denigrated, and my cities burned by people who are full of hatred.

[Velvet]

According to Miss Manners suggestion; sex, religion and politics are off limits for dinner topic conversation. No preaching either. I would think it applies to other pleasant settings also.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

How we look to the rest of the country has more to do with what is falsely reported in biased stories like this. I don't know of anyone who has lost their golf game or been kicked out of a club because of there support for either candidate. Of course that show that video of the golf cart parade with that one obnoxious woman yelling F**K Trump and the guy yelling white power in response. Then of course the leader of the democratic club complaining that it took days for someone to disavow it. The truth is that, in my experience, people like those two are few and far between here.

Who is the divider in that scenario? The woman yelling F**K Trump or the guy who responded?

I say if the Trump supporters want to have a golf cart parade, let them have it. If the Biden supporters want to have a golf cart parade, let them have it. People who are opposed to either candidate should not be going to the parade to taunt the people that they disagree with. It serves no purpose but to divide us.

How about everyone just support their candidate and leave the people that disagree alone.

[Bucco]

Great thread, and great examples of people really not understanding what causes divides like the subject is about.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

This is one of the best threads I've seen on this board to date - a serious political/philosophical discussion without naming names or being belligerent. Good going. The division in this country is serious...and sad. We'll only get past it if we have the courage to discuss it calmly.

[gregcharlesnelson@gmail]

The hardest person to live with is yourself

[Pamelah]

It was created by the media and they are feeding the fire every day.
Agreed, it was created by the media. But how would you suggest the public be made aware of what’s going on in our country and the world? Millions say it’s “fake news”. I don’t buy it when you can watch video excerpts.

[rustyp]

The U.S. Presidential Election: Can Donald Trump can once again defy the polls? | Four Corners - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf3Ps5dHxrE)


Segment from the 7 minute to the 14 minute mark about The Villages. I wish I could edit this to just that segment as the rest of the video is about how important it is to win Florida in the upcoming election. My purpose is not political but to point out how we - The Villagers look to the rest of the country independent of political party and relay some sadness this has personally caused me. There is a segment around the 10 minute mark that describes people having become so hostile to each other they have been ousted from social circles. This hits home for me. For years I had a golf group playing 3 times per week. Last year it got so bad as leader had to make a rule no talking politics. Didn't work. We had to abandon the group and some friendships parted ways.

How we look to the rest of the country has more to do with what is falsely reported in biased stories like this. I don't know of anyone who has lost their golf game or been kicked out of a club because of there support for either candidate. Of course that show that video of the golf cart parade with that one obnoxious woman yelling F**K Trump and the guy yelling white power in response. Then of course the leader of the democratic club complaining that it took days for someone to disavow it. The truth is that, in my experience, people like those two are few and far between here.

Who is the divider in that scenario? The woman yelling F**K Trump or the guy who responded?

I say if the Trump supporters want to have a golf cart parade, let them have it. If the Biden supporters want to have a golf cart parade, let them have it. People who are opposed to either candidate should not be going to the parade to taunt the people that they disagree with. It serves no purpose but to divide us.

How about everyone just support their candidate and leave the people that disagree alone.

I'll remind people what I was pointing out was I did loose some friends and golf games here in The Villages. It was getting so bad I was having a tough time making teams because some "friends" refused to ride with another "friend" unless they removed their political sign from the golf cart for the round of golf. The post wasn't to be political in support of a candidate or party or even worse to find blame. The video made me aware of how we are acting towards our fellow TV'ers / neighbors in our own little microcosm. There is no reason we can't have freedom of choice while being civil . Please face the fact that many eyes on on us TV'ers for various reasons. What kind of image would you like be projected of our little Utopia here ?

[woderfulwendy1]

The Villages isn't what it was when we moved here in 2014. The people are outrageously rude, mean, no filters and for no reason! I have no idea what happened over the years but I would love to find somewhere else to live. My husband FINALLY got to see the true colors come out in people today.... I'm actually embarrassed for their attitude and the way they act!
The world and people, will continue to change for better or worse always has always will. Change is the only constant.

[Pamelah]

I'll remind people what I was pointing out was I did loose some friends and golf games here in The Villages. It was getting so bad I was having a tough time making teams because some "friends" refused to ride with another "friend" unless they removed their political sign from the golf cart for the round of golf. The post wasn't to be political in support of a candidate or party or even worse to find blame. The video made me aware of how we are acting towards our fellow TV'ers / neighbors in our own little microcosm. There is no reason we can't have freedom of choice while being civil . Please face the fact that many eyes on on us TV'ers for various reasons. What kind of image would you like be projected of our little Utopia here ?
You hit the nail on the head when you said some wouldn’t ride in a golf cart because of the sign on it. It was in your face and caused anger? Frustration? No different than having white crosses on lawns or political signs in Windows. Some can ignore, many others can’t.
Why do people have that need to to put it in our face. I never have signs on my golf cart because of the negative feelings it promotes. What’s the sense in intentionally causing negative feelings/anger?

[MandoMan]

The U.S. Presidential Election: Can Donald Trump can once again defy the polls? | Four Corners - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf3Ps5dHxrE)


Segment from the 7 minute to the 14 minute mark about The Villages. I wish I could edit this to just that segment as the rest of the video is about how important it is to win Florida in the upcoming election. My purpose is not political but to point out how we - The Villagers look to the rest of the country independent of political party and relay some sadness this has personally caused me. There is a segment around the 10 minute mark that describes people having become so hostile to each other they have been ousted from social circles. This hits home for me. For years I had a golf group playing 3 times per week. Last year it got so bad as leader had to make a rule no talking politics. Didn't work. We had to abandon the group and some friendships parted ways.

It’s sad. I grew up in a very conservative household. My mom once washed my mouth out with soap for saying the forbidden words “Shut up.” My language can be salty at times, but in the following sixty years, I never used language like that in my parents’ presence, and I never used language like that in my children’s presence. It IS possible to just not talk about politics in “mixed company” where it will offend. It takes an effort, and it may leave a hole in the conversation, but it CAN be done. However, it is so much easier when people don’t post signs on their lawns, bodies, and golf carts and don’t post offensive memes on their Facebook pages. (Offensive to some others, not to the person posting, necessarily.) Just as we are avoiding the political name calling on here, we can do it in real life. But of course here we have a Moderator. (Thank you, Moderator!) I real life, we have to be our own moderators.

[Wizie1949]

I am saddened also by the people of The Villages who are supposed to be so friendly. The first day I moved here 4 years ago I was told if I wasn’t a Trump supporter I should keep my mouth closed. I thought it was a joke. It wasn’t. I want to leave TV but now with Covid is not the time. I feel like I’m unwanted as a human being because I see things differently.

[kendi]

rustyp,

I will try to watch your video later. But I just wanted to say that you bring up an interesting point that I wish we could have a thread discussing — but it probably would not last.

There are so many vignettes of the division in everyday lives of everyday people showing us that many relationships are probably ripped beyond repair.

There was an overheard conversation at a table of ROMEOs (Retired Old Men Eating Out) who were at an outside restaurant. Two of the men said that their adult granddaughters no longer speak to them.

If we ever decide to sell our house, I thought I knew what agent we would use — unless we FSBO. But then her husband decorated his vehicle to the max to go to a parade. I suspected she follows his thinking but even so, how dumb it is to mix business and politics. I won’t forget and our listing now would never be with her. That commission would be a tidy sum and I just don’t feel the same about these people. Petty? I don’t think so. There is too much that has been revealed about who they really are — in my opinion anyway. (I keep my mouth shut but I sometimes wish I did not. I am glad we are not allowed to have signs because I might be tempted to put some in my yard.)

Families, and even couples, are being torn up to a place far beyond anything remotely imaginable in politics-past.

It makes me sad. (“It was my party and I’ll cry if I want to.” That’s probably what I would put on a sign — a sign from which only an elder-Boomer would pick up the allusion.)

Sad that you change your perspective of someone so drastically based only on their political stance. Especially when you knew and liked them previously. Imo most come to their political opinion with a good heart. But opposing sides rarely Take the opportunity to see that good in the other. Guess love thy neighbor and love thy enemy doesn’t matter to many.

[Laker14]

It has been difficult for me to consciously avoid political discussions with all but the very few people with whom I know we can have disagreement without hostility.

things have become more emotionally charged than I remember them being, since the '60s. Things were pretty hot back then, without obviously politically slanted media outlets deliberately stoking the flames, in the pursuit of ratings and advertising dollars.

It has been difficult for me to do it, but it has been good for the soul.

[DaveZ]

pol·i·tics
/ˈpäləˌtiks/
Learn to pronounce
noun
the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.

Conflict and debate are uncomfortable things but why be close minded or judgmental and demand an echo chamber of your beliefs from friends and neighbors? How can you grow in that way? Who appointed me judge over right and wrong thinking? Why can’t I laugh when I find out something new and that I was wrong? Why is deep thinking without the use of media opinion exhausting if not impossible between acquaintances today? Why should I be embarrassed to learn at least what someone feels and choose to be passive aggressive instead? Our own judgement isn’t infallible and leads us to isolation. Political discussion on its face isn’t evil, rather it is a way for citizens or peoples affected by government outcomes to limit the chaos intended by those who actually practice politics in obtaining power from us.

[gloria321]

So sad! Maybe if everyone went outside at the same time and sang a happy song, smiled at each other, and said good morning, this evil hatred that has spread like this virus might go away. So sad.

[DaveZ]

So sad! Maybe if everyone went outside at the same time and sang a happy song, smiled at each other, and said good morning, this evil hatred that has spread like this virus might go away. So sad.
I can’t sing but promise to hum along!

[M2inOR]

I'll take how things are in The Villages, over how they are in Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, NYC and the like any day.

We moved to The Villages south of 44, after living in the Portland metro area for 45 years. Beautiful area, many friends, and wonderful experiences, except in more recent years.

So glad we discovered The Villages last year. So many activities, and many new friends.

And, we can visit the Pacific Northwest (Oregon and Washington) almost anytime for less cost than living there.

For our retirement, we could live almost anywhere in the world, and we chose central Florida. We’re glad we did.

[2Jays]

Over the years we rented a home in The Villages. We loved it and made friends. We retired and decided to buy here. I realize Covid has people more hesitant. However, between Covid and the election people have become rude, mean and intolerant! We never argue with those who choose to take a liberal stance. However we have become Persona Non Grata- especially since we have attended rallies. It went under the guise of we MUST isolate afterward and we can't be around them for weeks. At this point, I have no idea why we bought a home here. I assure you that the damage has been done by many and after the election and pandemic it will not reverse back to the happy place it once was. It makes me sad that those we know who are liberals feel they must control the rest of us. I appreciate that The Villages is getting so much positive air time as it will increase my property values. Hence to sell and find a nicer, happier place that was once The Villages. Did I mention that apartments were never been part of The Villages plan?

[Boomer]

About those golf carts: Don’t those people know that to emblazon an image of their leader right across the middle of the Stars and Stripes is desecration of our flag. The flag is defaced by that face. Or any face. Or words. Or whatever. It’s just plain wrong.

Look around. The American flag is being hijacked.

Betsy Ross Boomer

PS: The new image of TV, now seen around the world, will repel some and attract others.

Remember the old days when you would tell someone you owned a house in The Villages and all they wanted to know about was the ridiculous STD story. How’s that for nostalgia?

[arickis]

If you think about it, most of our problems started with the advent of the internet. So much news, fake or otherwise, is being shoved in our face 24/7. Hate, disinformation, is being spread throught the internet. This gets people agitated, confused, angry etc. They react with a comment that is to easily misenterperted or taken wrongly and people get angry. Things are said in comments that would never be said face to face. The internet is truly a blessing and a curse.

[Lottoguy]

I never talk politics on the golf course. Once somebody goes there, it always goes south. One side will never see it the way the other side sees it. Even when presented with evidence it will still not change a persons mind. What will change a persons mind is time. A few years from now people will look deep inside themselves and say, "What did I see in that person?"

[Lottoguy]

There was no such thing as "Fake News" until 2016. Think about it...

[Bucco]

pol·i·tics
/ˈpäləˌtiks/
Learn to pronounce
noun
the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.

Conflict and debate are uncomfortable things but why be close minded or judgmental and demand an echo chamber of your beliefs from friends and neighbors? How can you grow in that way? Who appointed me judge over right and wrong thinking? Why can’t I laugh when I find out something new and that I was wrong? Why is deep thinking without the use of media opinion exhausting if not impossible between acquaintances today? Why should I be embarrassed to learn at least what someone feels and choose to be passive aggressive instead? Our own judgement isn’t infallible and leads us to isolation. Political discussion on its face isn’t evil, rather it is a way for citizens or peoples affected by government outcomes to limit the chaos intended by those who actually practice politics in obtaining power from us.

I do not consider the situation to be a political divide.

Many years ago, I served on a board of 16 people. One aggressive member, in order to have more influence, played on the raw emotions of a part of the board, and did it at every opportunity and loudly. Those of us who had some procedural differences only, were finally split by the ongoing chaos.

Political divides, normally, never reach the point as we are reading on here. They can be discussed and understood. The raw feelings that are being played out right now, are not political, and I might add, importantly, have no political solution.

[graciegirl]

Over the years we rented a home in The Villages. We loved it and made friends. We retired and decided to buy here. I realize Covid has people more hesitant. However, between Covid and the election people have become rude, mean and intolerant! We never argue with those who choose to take a liberal stance. However we have become Persona Non Grata- especially since we have attended rallies. It went under the guise of we MUST isolate afterward and we can't be around them for weeks. At this point, I have no idea why we bought a home here. I assure you that the damage has been done by many and after the election and pandemic it will not reverse back to the happy place it once was. It makes me sad that those we know who are liberals feel they must control the rest of us. I appreciate that The Villages is getting so much positive air time as it will increase my property values. Hence to sell and find a nicer, happier place that was once The Villages. Did I mention that apartments were never been part of The Villages plan?

I think that many people on both sides are justifiably concerned about spreading Covid-19 but most of all are concerned about catching it accidentally from someone and dying from it because 80% of people who died from Covid were over 70 years of age.

I wanted to go to the rally so bad when the president was here but I am very aware of the increased risk of catching Covid-19 with crowds, even masked crowds. Do not assume anyone who is over seventy hasn't learned a great deal by now. I find most older people are remarkably up on everything. I do think some people are born negative and will always be negative. Some people are also more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Not everyone has the innate ability to be logical. Some have been taught political bias in College, sadly. At any rate I find it best to search hard for the good and admirable in others. I am rarely disappointed.

[KRM0614]

The Villages isn't what it was when we moved here in 2014. The people are outrageously rude, mean, no filters and for no reason! I have no idea what happened over the years but I would love to find somewhere else to live. My husband FINALLY got to see the true colors come out in people today.... I'm actually embarrassed for their attitude and the way they act!
I’m gonna move and have nothing nice to say

They will say anything to sell and make money

This is not a life for everyone and for single women it’s very lonely

[DaveZ]

I do not consider the situation to be a political divide.

Many years ago, I served on a board of 16 people. One aggressive member, in order to have more influence, played on the raw emotions of a part of the board, and did it at every opportunity and loudly. Those of us who had some procedural differences only, were finally split by the ongoing chaos.

Political divides, normally, never reach the point as we are reading on here. They can be discussed and understood. The raw feelings that are being played out right now, are not political, and I might add, importantly, have no political solution.
Political divides have always existed and although they played well, Lincoln, Hamilton, and Jefferson are examples of how ugly they become and at least 3 people that hated politics and the media demons of their own times. The example you gave demonstrated how they are played even at the local level. The challenge for us enjoying the rest of our lives in TV is to discuss and not practice with the very neighbors that help make TV great.

[oldtimes]

The Villages isn't what it was when we moved here in 2014. The people are outrageously rude, mean, no filters and for no reason! I have no idea what happened over the years but I would love to find somewhere else to live. My husband FINALLY got to see the true colors come out in people today.... I'm actually embarrassed for their attitude and the way they act!

I think you will find this is not unique to The Villages

[LiverpoolWalrus]

So sad! Maybe if everyone went outside at the same time and sang a happy song, smiled at each other, and said good morning, this evil hatred that has spread like this virus might go away. So sad.

In my experience, this does happen at all the music-related events and pickleball courts in the Villages, and for that I’m grateful.

[fastboat]

The Villages isn't what it was when we moved here in 2014. The people are outrageously rude, mean, no filters and for no reason! I have no idea what happened over the years but I would love to find somewhere else to live. My husband FINALLY got to see the true colors come out in people today.... I'm actually embarrassed for their attitude and the way they act!

Yup, we moved here in 2009, sure not the same place. Not throwing stones but think you'll find that many of the ones are from the NE and Upper Mid West. :boxing2:

[graciegirl]

In my experience, this does happen at all the music-related events and pickleball courts in the Villages, and for that I’m grateful.

This is shared with no double meanings or anything but the observation I see nothing but happiness here in these scenes.

It really is a Zippee doo-dah day today here in The Villages. Enjoy every second of it.

We were kids just moments ago enjoying this movie.

Uncle Remus singing it's a beautiful morning. - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Uncle+Remus+singing+it%27s+a+beautiful+mo rning.&view=detail&mid=312F0CB677C281DD883C312F0CB677C281DD883C&FORM=VIRE)

[Sherry8bal]

rustyp,

I will try to watch your video later. But I just wanted to say that you bring up an interesting point that I wish we could have a thread discussing — but it probably would not last.

There are so many vignettes of the division in everyday lives of everyday people showing us that many relationships are probably ripped beyond repair.

There was an overheard conversation at a table of ROMEOs (Retired Old Men Eating Out) who were at an outside restaurant. Two of the men said that their adult granddaughters no longer speak to them.

If we ever decide to sell our house, I thought I knew what agent we would use — unless we FSBO. But then her husband decorated his vehicle to the max to go to a parade. I suspected she follows his thinking but even so, how dumb it is to mix business and politics. I won’t forget and our listing now would never be with her. That commission would be a tidy sum and I just don’t feel the same about these people. Petty? I don’t think so. There is too much that has been revealed about who they really are — in my opinion anyway. (I keep my mouth shut but I sometimes wish I did not. I am glad we are not allowed to have signs because I might be tempted to put some in my yard.)

Families, and even couples, are being torn up to a place far beyond anything remotely imaginable in politics-past.

It makes me sad. (“It was my party and I’ll cry if I want to.” That’s probably what I would put on a sign — a sign from which only an elder-Boomer would pick up the allusion.)

You are doing the same thing then - holding THEIR political views against YOURS. That makes you just as bad as everyone else who would let a business venture change or a relationship, etc.

[Dilligas]

Why does everything in politics today have to be far right or far left in thinking. What ever happened to the middle where people cooperate and give and take some of the 'requirements and views'. In my past 50 years of voting, the last 20 have been voting against some candidate rather than voting for the best candidate. When we get back to both parties providing legitimate candidates that have the experience and instead of always trying to get re-elected, are working for the good of all the people, we will have pure democracy. I think the biggest contributor to the problem has been lobbiest...who spend and push hard to get more than what they want. The second biggest contributor is the media who are mostly out to get that exclusive breaking story....but dissecting speeches and reports to words out of context that can be made explosive and sell more air time or subscriptions. Both are troublesome on both sides of the 'isle' creating more division. Unfortunately I do not have the cure, only the symptoms.

[Stu from NYC]

Why does everything in politics today have to be far right or far left in thinking. What ever happened to the middle where people cooperate and give and take some of the 'requirements and views'. In my past 50 years of voting, the last 20 have been voting against some candidate rather than voting for the best candidate. When we get back to both parties providing legitimate candidates that have the experience and instead of always trying to get re-elected, are working for the good of all the people, we will have pure democracy. I think the biggest contributor to the problem has been lobbiest...who spend and push hard to get more than what they want. The second biggest contributor is the media who are mostly out to get that exclusive breaking story....but dissecting speeches and reports to words out of context that can be made explosive and sell more air time or subscriptions. Both are troublesome on both sides of the 'isle' creating more division. Unfortunately I do not have the cure, only the symptoms.

To me two possible cures.

Term limits so public office is not forever
A third political party to help these people remember whom they work for.

[gradnjw]

Very true.

People should be able to vote as they wish without the hatred that is springing up all over.

My 3 sisters hate Trump and are mad at me for voting for him

Hopefully this will end after the election.

Same here. But I am ever so grateful my 3 sisters and I don’t let it disrupt our relationships. It takes work, but we don’t want to lose each other over politics.

[oldtimes]

Too many people are convinced that they are right and need to stuff their views down everyone’s throat. In a democracy opposing views are supposed to be allowed and determined at the elections.

[kenoc7]

Very true.

People should be able to vote as they wish without the hatred that is springing up all over.

My 3 sisters hate Trump and are mad at me for voting for him

Hopefully this will end after the election.
I'm with your sisters. Good for them.

[bobnyce]

To me two possible cures.

Term limits so public office is not forever
A third political party to help these people remember whom they work for.

Guess who runs the Country with term limits? Bureaucrats, lifer bureaucrats, even worse. Having served in office, I know who writes all of those ridiculous laws and regulations. Most elected officials don't even read the crap they sign. It is the bureaucrats that run everything and they stay for life, get 70% pensions then retire laughing all the way.

Term limits for all in government, elected officials and employees or it will mean nothing! My two cents.

[manaboutown]

I'm with your sisters. Good for them.

I am with Stu. Good for him!

Not sharing one's politics among family and friends is my policy. It boils down to either preaching to the choir (hopefully) or creating ill feelings.

[jimjamuser]

The U.S. Presidential Election: Can Donald Trump can once again defy the polls? | Four Corners - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf3Ps5dHxrE)


Segment from the 7 minute to the 14 minute mark about The Villages. I wish I could edit this to just that segment as the rest of the video is about how important it is to win Florida in the upcoming election. My purpose is not political but to point out how we - The Villagers look to the rest of the country independent of political party and relay some sadness this has personally caused me. There is a segment around the 10 minute mark that describes people having become so hostile to each other they have been ousted from social circles. This hits home for me. For years I had a golf group playing 3 times per week. Last year it got so bad as leader had to make a rule no talking politics. Didn't work. We had to abandon the group and some friendships parted ways.
Yes, that also happened to me. National polarization worked its way to the local level. So sad! We are entering an even more pivotal time period. So, buckle up - we here and the whole US could go in EITHER direction. We could go back to friendly (maybe even friendlier) or we could further alienate each other. It depends on too many factors to mention. I imagine that almost no one appreciates this animosity. There may be some people that prefer this constant tension as it gives them some monetary or psychological reward. I hope that the trend is toward the "LIGHT" winning out against the "DARK". I wonder if the Christmas season will help? Good luck to all-you-all!

[jimjamuser]

rustyp,

I will try to watch your video later. But I just wanted to say that you bring up an interesting point that I wish we could have a thread discussing — but it probably would not last.

There are so many vignettes of the division in everyday lives of everyday people showing us that many relationships are probably ripped beyond repair.

There was an overheard conversation at a table of ROMEOs (Retired Old Men Eating Out) who were at an outside restaurant. Two of the men said that their adult granddaughters no longer speak to them.

If we ever decide to sell our house, I thought I knew what agent we would use — unless we FSBO. But then her husband decorated his vehicle to the max to go to a parade. I suspected she follows his thinking but even so, how dumb it is to mix business and politics. I won’t forget and our listing now would never be with her. That commission would be a tidy sum and I just don’t feel the same about these people. Petty? I don’t think so. There is too much that has been revealed about who they really are — in my opinion anyway. (I keep my mouth shut but I sometimes wish I did not. I am glad we are not allowed to have signs because I might be tempted to put some in my yard.)

Families, and even couples, are being torn up to a place far beyond anything remotely imaginable in politics-past.

It makes me sad. (“It was my party and I’ll cry if I want to.” That’s probably what I would put on a sign — a sign from which only an elder-Boomer would pick up the allusion.)
That was a good post. If you could have mass-produced that sign - you might have made some BIG bucks.

[Jerseygirl08]

Very true.

People should be able to vote as they wish without the hatred that is springing up all over.

My 3 sisters hate Trump and are mad at me for voting for him

Hopefully this will end after the election.
So true !! I have a brother who used to be a loving, funny, happy man but now he is so sick with TDS, posts so much fake news and says the ugliest stuff on FB. It seems like many of his friends up in Spokane area agree with him; nobody will call him out on his shameful rhetoric and hatred he's spewing out on the internet. I sure hope this does all end after the election. I'm hoping so. If I call him out one more time, he may block me, or FB may block me. (Wouldn't really bother me if FB blocked me anyway.) I really prefer my relationship with my brother is healed, not made worse. But there comes a time when you just have to speak up. Geez.

[jimjamuser]

The Villages isn't what it was when we moved here in 2014. The people are outrageously rude, mean, no filters and for no reason! I have no idea what happened over the years but I would love to find somewhere else to live. My husband FINALLY got to see the true colors come out in people today.... I'm actually embarrassed for their attitude and the way they act!
That is a VERY good post, a very BRAVE one. Many people have an attitude that they are mandated by society to suffer through anything BAD and pretend that NOTHING bothers them. People pick the Villages because it seems WONDERFUL on the surface. Then, after about 5 years they start seeing the flaws - small things. The US as a whole is in a bad period where people are alienated. Many people are drinking too much! The CV has accelerated recent History and it affects everyone. I do not think that moving somewhere else in the US will solve your problem. You might try Australia or some other country with a reputation for friendliness. And they have much less CV. That is, if you could afford that move? Otherwise, if you stay here, you will need something like a yoga class or a new hobby, or all new friends? Good luck!

[Jerseygirl08]

81 years old. Been deeply involved in politics and political differences.

Never ever Seen anything like what has been created.

Shame is nobody will allow discussion of the reason

Seems the reason is founded in hate, not political differences....not issue discussions at all. Hate is difficult to discuss.

Right on. Hit the nail on the head. Hate is what we are seeing. It's now, somehow, acceptable to show your hated and then claiming "freedom of speech, peaceful protesting". Hogwash!! Pulling down statues, burning and destroying innocent people's businesses, beating up and killing others . . . . not peaceful, not protesting, not acceptable in America!! Who would disagree with that?? People's personal anger and hatred and negativity towards the American way is oozing out all over this country. Sad times. Wish we could go back. Hopefully, those of us who pray will do so. I, for one, have been to other countries and it's always good to return to American soil. I'm done now.

[Boomer]

You are doing the same thing then - holding THEIR political views against YOURS. That makes you just as bad as everyone else who would let a business venture change or a relationship, etc.


In 2016 I could accept the fact that there were many I knew who voted differently from me. (It might surprise you to know that I have always been a moderate. Voted blue at the state level most of the time because of support for public education. But voted top of ticket, pretty much half and half throughout the years.)

But that was then. This is now.

I have never seen such behavior around an election. It is the in-your-face, loud, brazen, inane stuff that looks to me like it borders on worship of a person not a support of an ideology.

The object of this affection and attention behaves in a manner that represents everything we try to teach our children and grandchildren not to be and do.

I cannot accept lies, lack of empathy, mocking of sickness and death, dehumanizing children in cages, vicious mimicking of the disabled, saying our soldiers are losers and ignoring bounties on their heads, welcoming and encouraging violent organizations based on hatred for those of a different color, eviscerating the middle class with impossible health insurance costs and ridiculous college tuition, trying to destroy the free press, disdain for strong women, threatening to soon be wiping out protection of pre-existing conditions with no plan to replace that protection, falsely propping up the market with those cooperate tax cuts that are being spent on stock buybacks in the trillions, driving this country further into obscene debt, seeing the position of attorney general as a personal lawyer, staffing important government positions with those who will always say yes, delusions of grandeur, wannabe dictator with a plan to set up a family dynasty to go forth with the pillaging and plundering. I could go on — and on.

I know I am skating on thin ice here, hoping the moderator lets us have just this week, just this thread, to say our piece.

The piece I just said here is what I cannot say to those I know who are caught up in this never before seen behavior. I do not say anything because their mob-mentality is a little scary so it’s not worth it.

I just wanted to explain why I feel as I do. When I see people falling in line, loudly proclaiming their support of the behaviors as I listed above, it makes me wonder who they really are.

Boomer, defending herself

[jimjamuser]

Just because we live as we grew up doesn't mean we are racist. I was told by family as a young person that when it was time to pick a mate to choose someone who is the most like the people you know and respect. I did. It was good advice. It isn't WRONG to enjoy people who think and believe similarly to yourself. Unless you are an Ax murderer.

Perhaps diversity is extolled. It isn't always comfortable.
Diversity is like salt or pepper - a little bit is very good but, too much forced in your face is bad. The US had too much immigration from the 1980s on. It was forced upon the US by the upper class that needed workers and servants to support their extravagant lifestyles. And NOW......soon we will have more A.I. and robotics and LESS people will be needed. What will we do with them? Will they form more criminal gangs? Will they rob and pillage? What else can they do? Maybe the robots will be programmed to be kind toward older people? - that's unlikely!

[jimjamuser]

"Petty? I don’t think so. There is too much that has been revealed about who they really are."

"Seems the reason is founded in hate, not political differences."



Those two statements perfectly sum up where we are right now. Prior to 4 years ago, no one could have convinced me that there were so many people who harbored so much hate for others based on their skin color, gender, place of birth, sexual orientation or anything else that makes them different than themselves. To find out that I have so many friends and relatives, that have apparently had this bottled up for so long and now feel free, nae encouraged, to publicly express it, is like a high-voltage electrical shock to the whole body.
Good post.

[Bogie Shooter]

In 2016 I could accept the fact that there were many I knew who voted differently from me. (It might surprise you to know that I have always been a moderate. Voted blue at the state level most of the time because of support for public education. But voted top of ticket, pretty much half and half throughout the years.)

But that was then. This is now.

I have never seen such behavior around an election. It is the in-your-face, loud, brazen, inane stuff that looks to me like it borders on worship of a person not a support of an ideology.



The object of this affection and attention behaves in a manner that represents everything we try to teach our children and grandchildren not to be and do.

I cannot accept lies, lack of empathy, mocking of sickness and death, dehumanizing children in cages, vicious mimicking of the disabled, saying our soldiers are losers and ignoring bounties on their heads, welcoming and encouraging violent organizations based on hatred for those of a different color, eviscerating the middle class with impossible health insurance costs and ridiculous college tuition, trying to destroy the free press, disdain for strong women, threatening to soon be wiping out protection of pre-existing conditions with no plan to replace that protection, falsely propping up the market with those cooperate tax cuts that are being spent on stock buybacks in the trillions, driving this country further into obscene debt, seeing the position of attorney general as a personal lawyer, staffing important government positions with those who will always say yes, delusions of grandeur, wannabe dictator with a plan to set up a family dynasty to go forth with the pillaging and plundering. I could go on — and on.

I know I am skating on thin ice here, hoping the moderator lets us have just this week, just this thread, to say our piece.

The piece I just said here is what I cannot say to those I know who are caught up in this never before seen behavior. I do not say anything because their mob-mentality is a little scary so it’s not worth it.

I just wanted to explain why I feel as I do. When I see people falling in line, loudly proclaiming their support of the behaviors as I listed above, it makes me wonder who they really are.

Boomer, defending herself

And I don’t understand how anyone can defend those things you mention in paragraph 5.

[jimjamuser]

You are correct.

Amazing how often I am called a liberal leftist democrat on here.

I have been a conservative (a real one) for close to 60 years I think.

Not really as simple as "thinking". There are no true conservatives around frankly. I believe, and the GOP used to believe in budget constraints, morals, etc. no more.

i might remind you that back in 2007, while it got heated, ISSUES were the subject. I get mocked even though I was a big anti OBama poster, but never attacked him personally because he was a good moral man.

I hate to even venture, but I still do not think this is a political movement...it is a cult....and the GOP, my party, is going to pay the price for what has happened, along with my country.
There are good conservative Republicans still around - Bill Crystal, Steve Schmid, and the Lincoln Project. The Governors of Maryland, Ohio, and either Vermont or New Hampshire (not sure which) seem like good Republicans. Your values are not extinguished..............YET?

[alwann]

This is shared with no double meanings or anything but the observation I see nothing but happiness here in these scenes.

It really is a Zippee doo-dah day today here in The Villages. Enjoy every second of it.

We were kids just moments ago enjoying this movie.

Uncle Remus singing it's a beautiful morning. - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Uncle+Remus+singing+it%27s+a+beautiful+mo rning.&view=detail&mid=312F0CB677C281DD883C312F0CB677C281DD883C&FORM=VIRE)

Wow, Gracie. Are we "woke" people even permitted to mention his name? (Sarcasm emjoi goes here.)

[oldtimes]

In 2016 I could accept the fact that there were many I knew who voted differently from me. (It might surprise you to know that I have always been a moderate. Voted blue at the state level most of the time because of support for public education. But voted top of ticket, pretty much half and half throughout the years.)

But that was then. This is now.

I have never seen such behavior around an election. It is the in-your-face, loud, brazen, inane stuff that looks to me like it borders on worship of a person not a support of an ideology.

The object of this affection and attention behaves in a manner that represents everything we try to teach our children and grandchildren not to be and do.

I cannot accept lies, lack of empathy, mocking of sickness and death, dehumanizing children in cages, vicious mimicking of the disabled, saying our soldiers are losers and ignoring bounties on their heads, welcoming and encouraging violent organizations based on hatred for those of a different color, eviscerating the middle class with impossible health insurance costs and ridiculous college tuition, trying to destroy the free press, disdain for strong women, threatening to soon be wiping out protection of pre-existing conditions with no plan to replace that protection, falsely propping up the market with those cooperate tax cuts that are being spent on stock buybacks in the trillions, driving this country further into obscene debt, seeing the position of attorney general as a personal lawyer, staffing important government positions with those who will always say yes, delusions of grandeur, wannabe dictator with a plan to set up a family dynasty to go forth with the pillaging and plundering. I could go on — and on.

I know I am skating on thin ice here, hoping the moderator lets us have just this week, just this thread, to say our piece.

The piece I just said here is what I cannot say to those I know who are caught up in this never before seen behavior. I do not say anything because their mob-mentality is a little scary so it’s not worth it.

I just wanted to explain why I feel as I do. When I see people falling in line, loudly proclaiming their support of the behaviors as I listed above, it makes me wonder who they really are.

Boomer, defending herself

All of this is your opinion and I am not saying it is wrong but it is still opinion. You are doing exactly what you are preaching against by denigrating the opinion of those who disagree with you. That is the entire issue. That is supposed to be why we have elections.

[jimjamuser]

In 2016 I could accept the fact that there were many I knew who voted differently from me. (It might surprise you to know that I have always been a moderate. Voted blue at the state level most of the time because of support for public education. But voted top of ticket, pretty much half and half throughout the years.)

But that was then. This is now.

I have never seen such behavior around an election. It is the in-your-face, loud, brazen, inane stuff that looks to me like it borders on worship of a person not a support of an ideology.

The object of this affection and attention behaves in a manner that represents everything we try to teach our children and grandchildren not to be and do.

I cannot accept lies, lack of empathy, mocking of sickness and death, dehumanizing children in cages, vicious mimicking of the disabled, saying our soldiers are losers and ignoring bounties on their heads, welcoming and encouraging violent organizations based on hatred for those of a different color, eviscerating the middle class with impossible health insurance costs and ridiculous college tuition, trying to destroy the free press, disdain for strong women, threatening to soon be wiping out protection of pre-existing conditions with no plan to replace that protection, falsely propping up the market with those cooperate tax cuts that are being spent on stock buybacks in the trillions, driving this country further into obscene debt, seeing the position of attorney general as a personal lawyer, staffing important government positions with those who will always say yes, delusions of grandeur, wannabe dictator with a plan to set up a family dynasty to go forth with the pillaging and plundering. I could go on — and on.

I know I am skating on thin ice here, hoping the moderator lets us have just this week, just this thread, to say our piece.

The piece I just said here is what I cannot say to those I know who are caught up in this never before seen behavior. I do not say anything because their mob-mentality is a little scary so it’s not worth it.

I just wanted to explain why I feel as I do. When I see people falling in line, loudly proclaiming their support of the behaviors as I listed above, it makes me wonder who they really are.

Boomer, defending herself
Good post!!!!!

[Bucco]

And I don’t understand how anyone can defend those things you mention in paragraph 5.

That is the sad thing. Those folks do not defend. They tolerate and enable by silence. Never do these folks that are alluded to ever make statements supporting much of any policies. Because no policy can fix what you feel. I get it, but am so disappointed in the volume of hate, and the lengths they go to shed their moral compass in order to enable.

It is shameful to allow these things, and never speak up.

I still do not see this as political...there is no political fix for this. It appears they have been conned, and I realize what I said, but conned because they feel someone is speaking for them, to what end I have no idea. I do know the shrapnel from all this will be here for many many years, and it does not appear they care.

I would love to read their hearts to know why they allow these things, these words, these crazy accusations, these very personal smears, and fraud. What is in a heart that allows this ?

This always brings the posts about different hate issues. That is not political, that is something you feel, which no politician can solve.

[oldtimes]

That is the sad thing. Those folks do not defend. They tolerate and enable by silence. Never do these folks that are alluded to ever make statements supporting much of any policies. Because no policy can fix what you feel. I get it, but am so disappointed in the volume of hate, and the lengths they go to shed their moral compass in order to enable.

It is shameful to allow these things, and never speak up.

I still do not see this as political...there is no political fix for this. It appears they have been conned, and I realize what I said, but conned because they feel someone is speaking for them, to what end I have no idea. I do know the shrapnel from all this will be here for many many years, and it does not appear they care.

I would love to read their hearts to know why they allow these things, these words, these crazy accusations, these very personal smears, and fraud. What is in a heart that allows this ?

This always brings the posts about different hate issues. That is not political, that is something you feel, which no politician can solve.

You can disagree with them but you have no right to criticize their character. Just as you have your beliefs they also think they are doing the right thing because they believe what they have been told. I have friends who are really good people who believe what they have been fed on social media. They truly feel they are doing what is right for the country and you have no right to demonize them.

[Bucco]

You can disagree with them but you have no right to criticize their character. Just as you have your beliefs they also think they are doing the right thing because they believe what they have been told. I have friends who are really good people who believe what they have been fed on social media. They truly feel they are doing what is right for the country and you have no right to demonize them.

Normally, and for more years than I recall, I would agree.

However, I have been called such names on this forum alone, and witnessed the slander of American heroes, that were hero's to all until the thought was planted about you either are "this" way, or you are scum. And if any disagree, lock them up, denigrate them, AND their family.

Point is I do not have the right you speak of, but will disagree with them thinking they have the right, not to disagree.....that right is sacred, but to slander, accuse, lie about in the name of WHAT

For a few years, I have been posting, along with others, that the enabling and allowance of such behavior will have profound andlong term effects on my country. This is going to be one of them, destruction of a once proud political party, and Americans in fear of election results.

I have no idea of the results of this election. I used to be one of those who would stay up all night, analyze the numbers, etc., but that has been ruined, no matter who wins.

I do know in absolute terms, that there are profound differences we will need to deal with because of all this, and we watch the continuation of corruption while we are focused on the election (ex...government employees being fired if not politically loyal is now a thing).

And back to your point, I see posters who have posted on here for years, who extolled their moral stances as if we should emulate them, now quite the opposite.

Thanks for challenging me on that. I see what you mean, but respectfully think while many of those we speak of will not agree....you mentioned social media...it is a tool being used to corrupt.

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Guess who runs the Country with term limits? Bureaucrats, lifer bureaucrats, even worse. Having served in office, I know who writes all of those ridiculous laws and regulations. Most elected officials don't even read the crap they sign. It is the bureaucrats that run everything and they stay for life, get 70% pensions then retire laughing all the way.

Term limits for all in government, elected officials and employees or it will mean nothing! My two cents.

Let’s not paint with too broad a brush regarding career federal employees, a group to which I belonged until my recent retirement.

Those that draft bills typically work FOR elected officials and endeavor to satisfy the wishes of their constituents. They are a small portion of the federal workforce. Most of the rest of us worked, objectively, to implement those bills after they became law, having had little or no say in their formulation.