More rioting

[Bay Kid]

Appears Philadelphia went crazy again over a self defense police shooting. Burning, looting and stealing. Destroying where they live.

Such a shame.

[manaboutown]

They do it because they can get away with it. They are criminals. They know they will not have to pay a price for their crimes, that they will be let go scot free.

[Fredman]

Don’t know which is worse Anttfi or BLM both espouse violence, looting and discord. They are well organized and well funded and armed. No law enforcement officer is safe until these organizations are brought under control

[Stu from NYC]

Sad that the govt of these cities is willing to sit back and allow their tax base to be destroyed.

[John41]

Appears Philadelphia went crazy again over a self defense police shooting. Burning, looting and stealing. Destroying where they live.

Such a shame.

Police had requested non lethal tasers but due to police defunding didn’t get them.

[Edjkoz]

I’m amazed at the protesters as there is video of the criminal pulling a knife. Are they saying that people have the right to pull a weapon on the police and there should be no consequence?

[Bikeracer2009]

Thugs don't need a reason to loot etc but it helps to create one. They don't care about the guy with a knife but if you think they do then that's good enough for them. I heard looters leaving a store they had looted and one said "that was fun!" While laughing.

Don't be scammed into believing these "protests" are anything but a reason to go out and have some fun in a criminal way.

When a police officer does do something seriously wrong and it's obvious to everyone then expect real anger mixed into the thuggery.

[Scott O]

Just more pathetic nonsense, most probably don’t even know what they are rioting for...probably time for some new sneakers..

[th2142a]

Appears Philadelphia went crazy again over a self defense police shooting. Burning, looting and stealing. Destroying where they live.

Such a shame.

Not one pare of work boots was stolen.

[72lions]

Police had requested non lethal tasers but due to police defunding didn’t get them.

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

[Girlcopper]

Police had requested non lethal tasers but due to police defunding didn’t get them.
Tasers Have always been non lethal

[Stu from NYC]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

A kitchen knife can kill, we are responsible for our actions.

[Fredman]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

If someone came after me with any kind of knife I would shoot.

[Burgy]

A kitchen knife can kill, we are responsible for our actions.
They 14 shots were fired by the police. Seems excessive for the space between 3 cops and the guy who was mental with a knife. Can't condone the looting though.

[brunogal]

But could you at least just aim for a leg? Maybe you're not a sure shot but these police officers are supposed to be trained professionals.

[airdale2]

Sad that the govt of these cities is willing to sit back and allow their tax base to be destroyed.
The Feds always step in and rebuild, our great Washington minds at work.

[MandoMan]

Appears Philadelphia went crazy again over a self defense police shooting. Burning, looting and stealing. Destroying where they live.

Such a shame.

Philadelphia itself has a population of about 1.6 million. Of those, 644,000 are African-Americans. (The large metropolitan area has about 6 million people, the 8th largest in the U.S.) The news sources I’ve just looked at are saying maybe a thousand people looting and another thousand protesting, but of course those numbers could vary and may grow. That is to say, it looks like it is a very tiny percentage of the population that is rioting and looting or marching. I lived within two hours of Philadelphia for 34 years, and while I avoided going there as much as possible, I was there two or three dozen times. A huge percentage of the African-American population are hard workers with nice houses spreading over many miles. There are also appalling slums with run-down housing and what seem to be run-down people. Those areas scare me. The same goes for many cities. Don’t assume that everyone is looting.

Here is a proposal I’ve come up with. The U.S. government should offer “reparations” of $1,000 a month per person for 25 years only available to descendants of slaves from Africa and only if they live in South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, or Louisiana. Those states, the Deep South, were responsible for the great majority of Africans brought here, and they are close to being majorities in these states today. If this were done, millions who are barely getting by would move south. Those African-Americans remaining in the north would be prospering and law-abiding, living the American Dream. In the Deep South, African-Americans would soon become the majority everywhere. By voting, they could assure that nearly every legislator, judge, or office holder of any sort would be African-American. They would be responsible for their own fate. Nearly all police officers would be African-American, too. They could make their own laws and have their own justice system that they consider fair. Many European-Americans might choose to leave, but this would leave housing and jobs available for those moving to the area. Some would consider the money enough to live on, if they are in a family setting, without working. For others, the extra money would be enough on top of a salary to live well. The cost to the taxpayers nationwide might be offset by savings In the costs for police, prisons, welfare, schools, etc. The infrastructure in the Deep South or airports, roads, factories, farms, hospitals, etc. would help this work.

[Holpat39]

When you put on a police uniform you can then judge how dangerous a person with a knife is. A good many people with mental disorders are so violent that one or two officers cannot control them especially when they are armed. Don't make the lame excuse he has bipolar. If family didn't want police action then they should have taken the chance and disarmed him themselves. Don't think so.

[daca55]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

You need to put yourself in the cops place and I bet your reaction to the butter knife would be the same to keep yourself from getting hurt. It’s easy to judge from the sidelines

[camaguey48]

A kitchen knife can kill, we are responsible for our actions.
Even a box cutter. Don’t you think?

[camaguey48]

But could you at least just aim for a leg? Maybe you're not a sure shot but these police officers are supposed to be trained professionals.
Between the legs maybe?

[Mrprez]

But could you at least just aim for a leg? Maybe you're not a sure shot but these police officers are supposed to be trained professionals.

You can die just as easily when shot in the leg.

[Bay Kid]

Knives don't kill people, people kill people. He just hadn't been taught respect. Black or white if you are threatening a police officer with a knife you stand a chance of being shot.

Stealing and destroying solves nothing.

[GOLFER54]

The media says that these are Peaceful Protestors. This might seem harsh, but it needs to be done. In other nations the military is dispatched and those who break the law, whether it be violence, looting or arson these criminals are rounded up, by force if need be and taken off the streets. But alas, the mayors and governors in some states not only encourage these behaviors, they support these criminals and the consequences are next to nothing. Until this chaos is dealt with, it will continue. Antifa and BLM use this excuse of the killing of a black man, even though he was wielding a knife and coming towards the police which got him shot., so they can steal and destroy cities throughout our country.

[shueburruss]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

Are you suggesting that when a police officer is met with a situation where they have a weapon pulled on them, they need to stop and ask if the person has any mental issues?
And a kitchen knife can kill...

[jbrown132]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.
I have a kitchen knife that is 12 inches long and could gut you in in less than a second. The same amount of time it takes to close the distance from 10 to 15 feet. I know you will say they should have had tasers. Don’t blame the officers for that, blame the mayor and those responsible for funding the police department. I have one question for you. If it had been you holding that gun and a man was coming at you with a knife that could easily kill you would you have pulled the trigger or surrendered to him?

[newgirl]

It is not self defence if the other does not have a gun. There are many options beside murder to stand your ground, sadly the union police have make it impossible to put them in jail even if they shoot a innocent person.

[jagdl]

The family had called for an ambulance. He was in mental crisis. The police knew this. They knew he was not capable of processing their orders. He was walking in circles until they arrived. Defunding mental health and turning it over to communities where the money went to support everything else is a major contributor here. Should we shoot all with mental defects. Autistic? Schizophrenic? Diabetic? When an ambulance is requested why bring 20 bullets.

[tsmall22204]

That is not true

[Joe C.]

All the rioters should be shot (with rubber bullets), or hit with a high pressure water cannon with indelible dye, so that the offenders can be recognized and taken into custody even days after the event. There needs to be serious consequences for the rioters. Violence needs to be quelled by what the liberals call "excessive force".

[airstreamingypsy]

The man's mother called the police, on her son, because he was having a mental breakdown episode. He had a knife in his hand. The mother was hoping they could restrain him. He was mentally ill. If he had been white I bet they wouldn't have shot and killed him. Again he had a knife, we wasn't much of a threat, he didn't come at them, he simply didn't obey them..... he was mentally ill.

[Going My Way]

It is not self defence if the other does not have a gun. There are many options beside murder to stand your ground, sadly the union police have make it impossible to put them in jail even if they shoot a innocent person.

Someone comes at you with a baseball bat and you shoot them IT IS SELF DEFENSE...
Why are you bringing up (Police) "Shoot an innocent person", that does NOT apply to this thread...

[Dana1963]

Appears Philadelphia went crazy again over a self defense police shooting. Burning, looting and stealing. Destroying where they live.

Such a shame.
Just wondering do we have a Militia Organization in The Villages, would we need one?

[Mrprez]

The man's mother called the police, on her son, because he was having a mental breakdown episode. He had a knife in his hand. The mother was hoping they could restrain him. He was mentally ill. If he had been white I bet they wouldn't have shot and killed him. Again he had a knife, we wasn't much of a threat, he didn't come at them, he simply didn't obey them..... he was mentally ill.

I guess they should have offered him Teddy Bears and hugs? I’d like to see your reaction in the same exact situation.

[Manhoopty]

This is what happens in a Godless society. Sad.

Can’t have a Bible in school but as soon as you get to prison they offer you one.

We will reap what we sow. Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus!

[ldj1938]

Would you prefer to be killed by a kitchen butcher knife or a hunting knife?

[manaboutown]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

He had quite a criminal history and had rapped about killing cops. He was a violent criminal and a threat to the lives of others. He was threatening the police with a deadly weapon. They acted in self defense.

[Going My Way]

The man's mother called the police, on her son, because he was having a mental breakdown episode. He had a knife in his hand. The mother was hoping they could restrain him. He was mentally ill. If he had been white I bet they wouldn't have shot and killed him. Again he had a knife, we wasn't much of a threat, he didn't come at them, he simply didn't obey them..... he was mentally ill.

You need to Google: "Tony Timpa", maybe you'll think twice before you post something like that again...
How about this maybe for your liking, wonder if this knife swinging nut will get one of these?

[retiredguy123]

But could you at least just aim for a leg? Maybe you're not a sure shot but these police officers are supposed to be trained professionals.
And, if you miss the leg, how far does the bullet go and who does it kill?

[manaboutown]

The man's mother called the police, on her son, because he was having a mental breakdown episode. He had a knife in his hand. The mother was hoping they could restrain him. He was mentally ill. If he had been white I bet they wouldn't have shot and killed him. Again he had a knife, we wasn't much of a threat, he didn't come at them, he simply didn't obey them..... he was mentally ill.

Crazy people kill other people every day. Knives kill people every day. So you are saying an insane violent man with a knife threatening another's 's life cannot be shot to stop him?

[Going My Way]

And, if you miss the leg, how far does the bullet go and who does it kill?

Hit a leg artery and he dead no matter what...
They been watching to many Cowboy movies.

[PugMom]

this is a complicated one; from the video, the perp looks very distressed, like in a manic state of some kind. maybe he's off his meds or cant get them for whatever reason. he's staring blankly @ the cops, but wont drop the knife or obey orders. since police are not trained in psychiatric care, they do what they have to. (poster before me suggests rubber bullets in this case.) the guy moves forward & is shot & killed. i feel bad anytime somebody's killed, but without knowing the true intentions of this poor man, it will continue to happen. cops can't read minds & be social workers. maybe this idea of rubber bullets& the like can be used in cases like this.
someone is making these policies, & they need to address these types of situations. it's why briana taylor's cases was bunguled. what exactly is a 'no-knock' warrant? isn't a warrant delivered in person, so the constable can put the document in your hand, therefore confirming delivery? help me figure this out :popcorn:

[Mrprez]

this is a complicated one; from the video, the perp looks very distressed, like in a manic state of some kind. maybe he's off his meds or cant get them for whatever reason. he's staring blankly @ the cops, but wont drop the knife or obey orders. since police are not trained in psychiatric care, they do what they have to. (poster before me suggests rubber bullets in this case.) the guy moves forward & is shot & killed. i feel bad anytime somebody's killed, but without knowing the true intentions of this poor man, it will continue to happen. cops can't read minds & be social workers. maybe this idea of rubber bullets& the like can be used in cases like this.
someone is making these policies, & they need to address these types of situations. it's why briana taylor's cases was bunguled. what exactly is a 'no-knock' warrant? isn't a warrant delivered in person, so the constable can put the document in your hand, therefore confirming delivery? help me figure this out :popcorn:

A no knock warrant is just that. You aren’t required to knock before entering the premises. However, in this case, even though they had a no knock warrant, they did knock and identified themselves. There were witnesses to that effect.

[Byte1]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

I would have put him down faster than they did. They hesitated way too long, thanks to the anti-Police media and back stabbing gov. they work for. If anyone thinks that a police officer should disarm a knife wielding thug, then they are living in a comicbook fantasy.

[Byte1]

But could you at least just aim for a leg? Maybe you're not a sure shot but these police officers are supposed to be trained professionals.

No, it would be irresponsible to "aim for the leg." And why should they? Because someone says he had a mental issue? I consider all criminals to have mental issues, so under some folks' view, the police would never defend themselves or the public.

[Dilligas]

Philadelphia itself has a population of about 1.6 million. Of those, 644,000 are African-Americans. (The large metropolitan area has about 6 million people, the 8th largest in the U.S.) The news sources I’ve just looked at are saying maybe a thousand people looting and another thousand protesting, but of course those numbers could vary and may grow. That is to say, it looks like it is a very tiny percentage of the population that is rioting and looting or marching. I lived within two hours of Philadelphia for 34 years, and while I avoided going there as much as possible, I was there two or three dozen times. A huge percentage of the African-American population are hard workers with nice houses spreading over many miles. There are also appalling slums with run-down housing and what seem to be run-down people. Those areas scare me. The same goes for many cities. Don’t assume that everyone is looting.

Here is a proposal I’ve come up with. The U.S. government should offer “reparations” of $1,000 a month per person for 25 years only available to descendants of slaves from Africa and only if they live in South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, or Louisiana. Those states, the Deep South, were responsible for the great majority of Africans brought here, and they are close to being majorities in these states today. If this were done, millions who are barely getting by would move south. Those African-Americans remaining in the north would be prospering and law-abiding, living the American Dream. In the Deep South, African-Americans would soon become the majority everywhere. By voting, they could assure that nearly every legislator, judge, or office holder of any sort would be African-American. They would be responsible for their own fate. Nearly all police officers would be African-American, too. They could make their own laws and have their own justice system that they consider fair. Many European-Americans might choose to leave, but this would leave housing and jobs available for those moving to the area. Some would consider the money enough to live on, if they are in a family setting, without working. For others, the extra money would be enough on top of a salary to live well. The cost to the taxpayers nationwide might be offset by savings In the costs for police, prisons, welfare, schools, etc. The infrastructure in the Deep South or airports, roads, factories, farms, hospitals, etc. would help this work.
You have to be kidding?

[Byte1]

It is not self defence if the other does not have a gun. There are many options beside murder to stand your ground, sadly the union police have make it impossible to put them in jail even if they shoot a innocent person.

Sorry, but you are wrong. It IS self defense. And it was NOT murder as you stated. It was a justified shooting according to the video and the statements. Too bad the looters can't be shot on sight also. During Martial Law, looters could be shot a few years ago. That stopped a lot of the cr@p going on that is out of control today.

[Dilligas]

150 years ago, the 'sheriff' would have roped the suspect and dragged him to the jail....no shooting and not danger to the sheriff. Either way, the law enforcement officers have to protect the public and themselves. They can not sit the suspect down for mental evaluation before acting.

[Byte1]

It's not "racism" if the police kill a criminal that is black. It's racism if they kill him BECAUSE he is black.

[tvmurray]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

How many murders have been done with a kitchen knife? Don't see anything wrong. It is open season on police officers. Don't see any protests for kids killed in gang drive by shootings. Just a lame excuse to destroy and steal !

[jimjamuser]

Don’t know which is worse Anttfi or BLM both espouse violence, looting and discord. They are well organized and well funded and armed. No law enforcement officer is safe until these organizations are brought under control
Hypothetically, let's put the shoe on the other foot - what if their point of view is that, "no Black person will ever be safe until the police are brought under control"? Given the Jim Crow History of the US, I for one would not blame them. You see how EMPATHY and just simple Christianity can highlight a different viewpoint and add some clarity to ANY situation. PLEASE, Please, take just some small amount of time and PRETEND that you are Black and how your world view would change. Long ago, a man used good makeup to appear to be Black to see how others treated him differently. Then he wrote a book. Maybe now is the time to ask Santa for THAT book under all our Christmas trees. What if the law REQUIRED every white person in the US to put on that Black makeup just ONE day out of the year. Would your post be so hateful?.......could you maintain that hate? ...........I don't think so!

Lots of people here will want to write that they just HATE the looting, NOT the looters. I will save you that exercise. Or is it just a rationalization?

[meme5x]

Totally agree

[jimjamuser]

Philadelphia itself has a population of about 1.6 million. Of those, 644,000 are African-Americans. (The large metropolitan area has about 6 million people, the 8th largest in the U.S.) The news sources I’ve just looked at are saying maybe a thousand people looting and another thousand protesting, but of course those numbers could vary and may grow. That is to say, it looks like it is a very tiny percentage of the population that is rioting and looting or marching. I lived within two hours of Philadelphia for 34 years, and while I avoided going there as much as possible, I was there two or three dozen times. A huge percentage of the African-American population are hard workers with nice houses spreading over many miles. There are also appalling slums with run-down housing and what seem to be run-down people. Those areas scare me. The same goes for many cities. Don’t assume that everyone is looting.

Here is a proposal I’ve come up with. The U.S. government should offer “reparations” of $1,000 a month per person for 25 years only available to descendants of slaves from Africa and only if they live in South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, or Louisiana. Those states, the Deep South, were responsible for the great majority of Africans brought here, and they are close to being majorities in these states today. If this were done, millions who are barely getting by would move south. Those African-Americans remaining in the north would be prospering and law-abiding, living the American Dream. In the Deep South, African-Americans would soon become the majority everywhere. By voting, they could assure that nearly every legislator, judge, or office holder of any sort would be African-American. They would be responsible for their own fate. Nearly all police officers would be African-American, too. They could make their own laws and have their own justice system that they consider fair. Many European-Americans might choose to leave, but this would leave housing and jobs available for those moving to the area. Some would consider the money enough to live on, if they are in a family setting, without working. For others, the extra money would be enough on top of a salary to live well. The cost to the taxpayers nationwide might be offset by savings In the costs for police, prisons, welfare, schools, etc. The infrastructure in the Deep South or airports, roads, factories, farms, hospitals, etc. would help this work.
Very impressive plan. There will be naysayers on this forum. But, I say kudos to you! AT the minimum, you showed empathy and went the extra mile by proposing SOME kind of a plan. You, at least, are RECOGNIZING the problem, which is the 1st part of any solution. ANY plan would be better than NO plan! .......I liked Andrew Yang's proposal of giving everyone $1000 per month because it would be easy to implement. I would have added, "only for families making under $200,000 per year". But any version of his plan is a good start.

[Byte1]

Hypothetically, let's put the shoe on the other foot - what if their point of view is that, "no Black person will ever be safe until the police are brought under control"? Given the Jim Crow History of the US, I for one would not blame them. You see how EMPATHY and just simple Christianity can highlight a different viewpoint and add some clarity to ANY situation. PLEASE, Please, take just some small amount of time and PRETEND that you are Black and how your world view would change. Long ago, a man used good makeup to appear to be Black to see how others treated him differently. Then he wrote a book. Maybe now is the time to ask Santa for THAT book under all our Christmas trees. What if the law REQUIRED every white person in the US to put on that Black makeup just ONE day out of the year. Would your post be so hateful?.......could you maintain that hate? ...........I don't think so!

Lots of people here will want to write that they just HATE the looting, NOT the looters. I will save you that exercise. Or is it just a rationalization?

Sorry, but that dog don't hunt. Put myself in a black person's shoes? It's not your fault that you don't know me, but you are assuming. Now, try this one on for size. Put yourself in the Chinese shoes that built the railroad, etc. Put yourself in the shoes of our American Indians (indigenous Americans). Put yourself in the shoes of the Japanese that were institutionalized (to put it nicely) in camps during WWII. Put yourself in the shoes of the WHITE indentured servants that were before the black slaves. Sorry, but everyone has an excuse for bad behavior if they search for justification and rationalization. The law does not stipulate ethnicity. Believe me when I say that honest, law abiding Americans of any color or gender want law enforcement, not pity from those that feel they are better than them. If you wish to empathize with a minority, try empathizing with those that are law abiding and are embarrassed by the thuggery of the criminal element.

[Number 10 GI]

Even a box cutter. Don’t you think?

Weren't there three jet airplanes hijacked and crashed into buildings resulting in the deaths of thousands of people by people using box cutters? 911 rings a bell with me. Maybe it's just my faulty old memory playing tricks on me.

[louie34]

Hey, some family members probably needed a new TV or boom box

[jimjamuser]

When you put on a police uniform you can then judge how dangerous a person with a knife is. A good many people with mental disorders are so violent that one or two officers cannot control them especially when they are armed. Don't make the lame excuse he has bipolar. If family didn't want police action then they should have taken the chance and disarmed him themselves. Don't think so.
The bipolar thing is NOT just an excuse - it means that just maybe he did NOT get the proper medical treatment for his problem, maybe he should be in an institution? But, America decided to save money in 1980 by avoiding its responsibility and then closed many such institutions. Thus, throwing many such bipolar individuals out into the street saying, "fend for yourself, sucker". All countries have problem people with mental health needs. The US is notoriously negligent and uncaring for its citizens in this regard. The US should be looking at how the Scandinavian countries and others handle mental health.

[Number 10 GI]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

Have you EVER had to try and take down someone with a knife? I didn't think so! When I was a Military Policeman it took me and two other guys to disarm a drunk soldier who was trying to cut us with a straight razor. The only reason we weren't cut was because he was quite drunk and not in full control of his body. It was in the MP station where he pulled the razor on one of my desk crew. Working on the desk we weren't armed so he was extremely lucky we weren't armed because I would have shot him. We were extremely lucky that none of us were cut, had he been sober it might have had a different ending. Armchair warriors with no experience

[jimjamuser]

The media says that these are Peaceful Protestors. This might seem harsh, but it needs to be done. In other nations the military is dispatched and those who break the law, whether it be violence, looting or arson these criminals are rounded up, by force if need be and taken off the streets. But alas, the mayors and governors in some states not only encourage these behaviors, they support these criminals and the consequences are next to nothing. Until this chaos is dealt with, it will continue. Antifa and BLM use this excuse of the killing of a black man, even though he was wielding a knife and coming towards the police which got him shot., so they can steal and destroy cities throughout our country.
That kind of rhetoric is going to ultimately lead to a Dictatorship. America is best with moderation and not excessive right or left leanings. Too much to either side is an America that both you and I would NOT like.

[Aloha1]

Philadelphia itself has a population of about 1.6 million. Of those, 644,000 are African-Americans. (The large metropolitan area has about 6 million people, the 8th largest in the U.S.) The news sources I’ve just looked at are saying maybe a thousand people looting and another thousand protesting, but of course those numbers could vary and may grow. That is to say, it looks like it is a very tiny percentage of the population that is rioting and looting or marching. I lived within two hours of Philadelphia for 34 years, and while I avoided going there as much as possible, I was there two or three dozen times. A huge percentage of the African-American population are hard workers with nice houses spreading over many miles. There are also appalling slums with run-down housing and what seem to be run-down people. Those areas scare me. The same goes for many cities. Don’t assume that everyone is looting.

Here is a proposal I’ve come up with. The U.S. government should offer “reparations” of $1,000 a month per person for 25 years only available to descendants of slaves from Africa and only if they live in South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, or Louisiana. Those states, the Deep South, were responsible for the great majority of Africans brought here, and they are close to being majorities in these states today. If this were done, millions who are barely getting by would move south. Those African-Americans remaining in the north would be prospering and law-abiding, living the American Dream. In the Deep South, African-Americans would soon become the majority everywhere. By voting, they could assure that nearly every legislator, judge, or office holder of any sort would be African-American. They would be responsible for their own fate. Nearly all police officers would be African-American, too. They could make their own laws and have their own justice system that they consider fair. Many European-Americans might choose to leave, but this would leave housing and jobs available for those moving to the area. Some would consider the money enough to live on, if they are in a family setting, without working. For others, the extra money would be enough on top of a salary to live well. The cost to the taxpayers nationwide might be offset by savings In the costs for police, prisons, welfare, schools, etc. The infrastructure in the Deep South or airports, roads, factories, farms, hospitals, etc. would help this work.

Sounds like a sure way to turn half the US into a 3rd world country. Try that and the secession parade begin.

[Aloha1]

It is not self defence if the other does not have a gun. There are many options beside murder to stand your ground, sadly the union police have make it impossible to put them in jail even if they shoot a innocent person.

The law says otherwise.

[jimjamuser]

The family had called for an ambulance. He was in mental crisis. The police knew this. They knew he was not capable of processing their orders. He was walking in circles until they arrived. Defunding mental health and turning it over to communities where the money went to support everything else is a major contributor here. Should we shoot all with mental defects. Autistic? Schizophrenic? Diabetic? When an ambulance is requested why bring 20 bullets.
1st post that made any sense to me out of about 20 posts. I hope that the other 19 do NOT represent the thinking of the majority of TV Land? I see so much venom here that it is scary. Is this post the only sane one. The only one that took the time to find out the details of the incident. The 19 out of 20 seemed to just jump to a conclusion that supported their pre-programmed venomous and biased viewpoint. If 19 out of 20 Villagers have this level of pent-up hatred then the idea of America as the "Great Melting Pot" is dead. And no wonder the world has turned its back on America.

How would Jesus help a man walking, confused in a circle, with a knife? I am just speculating?

[Byte1]

1st post that made any sense to me out of about 20 posts. I hope that the other 19 do NOT represent the thinking of the majority of TV Land? I see so much venom here that it is scary. Is this post the only sane one. The only one that took the time to find out the details of the incident. The 19 out of 20 seemed to just jump to a conclusion that supported their pre-programmed venomous and biased viewpoint. If 19 out of 20 Villagers have this level of pent-up hatred then the idea of America as the "Great Melting Pot" is dead. And no wonder the world has turned its back on America.

How would Jesus help a man walking, confused in a circle, with a knife? I am just speculating?

Jesus would not have to worry about being killed by that knife, or anyone else being killed by that knife. And they treated mental cases a lot different in those days. I doubt you would wish for their kind of laws to be initiated here, now.
I have yet to read ANY post on here that was convincing enough to warrant that a police officer should attempt to take the knife away from the subject. There was no evidence that it could have even been done safely. As a matter of fact, ALL of those posts that suggested such a ridiculous idea would also be yelling that the police did nothing to stop him, if he suddenly stabbed a few innocent bystanders. Then the police would be accused of negligence by the same folks that deemed it unnecessary for them to shoot the subject. Some folks are just blinded by their bias against the "white man."

[kenoc7]

Appears Philadelphia went crazy again over a self defense police shooting. Burning, looting and stealing. Destroying where they live.

Such a shame.
From what I saw on the video, it wasn't a self-defence shooting. Wallace had a very small knife - why use deadly force? Taser him or lassoo him, or shoot him non-lethally. There was no need for deadly force.

[Byte1]

From what I saw on the video, it wasn't a self-defence shooting. Wallace had a very small knife - why use deadly force? Taser him or lassoo him, or shoot him non-lethally. There was no need for deadly force.

Did you see any tasers on the police? We do not "lasso" or "shoot....non-lethally." There is no such thing in America. You probably got that from TV or cowboy movies. Like someone else brought up, if a couple guys with box cutters can kill thousands of people on 9/11, surely a deranged(?) idiot can take a policeman or two down easy enough. Sorry, but even though unfortunate for the deceased and his family, I prefer his loss over that of ANY police officer attempting to protect American citizens. Besides, look at all the taxpayer money they saved.

[Justus]

It is not self defence if the other does not have a gun. There are many options beside murder to stand your ground, sadly the union police have make it impossible to put them in jail even if they shoot a innocent person.

Perhaps some like-minded citizens could form a volunteer group in each metropolitan area. When a "disturbed" person, or one high on street drugs is wielding a knife, threatening others, an unarmed member of the volunteer group could be immediately summoned to the scene to replace the police officers on duty. This volunteer could certainly "reason" with him, convincing him to surrender his weapon, therefore eliminating the potential for unjustified police violence. Any takers?

[jimjamuser]

The right wing extremists are responsible for most of the political violence , according to the FBI Director’s statements to Congress. FBI director says antifa is an ideology, not an organization (https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-race-and-ethnicity-archive-bdd3b6078e9efadcfcd0be4b65f2362e)
Oh look, a little factual sanity in an ocean of venom!

[Number 10 GI]

But could you at least just aim for a leg? Maybe you're not a sure shot but these police officers are supposed to be trained professionals.

I don't know if you have any experience shooting a pistol because it is extremely difficult for a good marksman to hit something as small as a leg on a moving person. In a panic situation adrenaline surge will affect fine motor skills, such as aiming a gun properly and accurately. It also causes a person to have tunnel vision so most people involved in a shooting don't accurately remember how many rounds they shot. Most will say only a few when a number of shot were fired. The vast majority of police officers in their entire 20+ years of service never pull their gun in the line of duty let alone have to shoot someone. It takes a lot of training in these types of scenarios to give officers the knowledge of what to do. However, training only goes so far, it takes an actual shoot out to hone those skills. The military trains all the time for war and even after all the training the death rate for new to battle soldiers is higher than for experienced fighters.
Unlike in Hollywood movies where one shot from a pistol kills the person immediately, in the real world it can take numerous shots from a pistol to stop them unless the heart or central nervous system (brain, spinal cord) is hit by a bullet. A mentally deranged and violent person can be almost immune to pain and absorb a number of bullets and still kill the police officer.
Many police departments don't have the funds for recurring marksmanship training, they fund for the annual or semi-annual qualification requirement of the officer and that is it. You will find that most police officers are mediocre to poor marksman due to the lack of training so one of them hitting a leg is going to be quite an accomplishment. Police officers are taught to shoot center of mass on a person because it is so difficult to hit a leg or arm on a person and the center of mass hit produces a faster stop to the aggression.

[Number 10 GI]

Oh look, a little factual sanity in an ocean of venom!

In the city where we lived before TV, a population of about 160,000, we had a gang problem for years. Everyone with a brain knew that but the mayor, city council and the police chief would vehemently deny there were gangs. In their pea brain minds they thought it would show weakness in their leadership if they admitted to the city having a gang problem. They finally had to admit to it, the crime level rose so much that it couldn't be denied any more. Politician and their hacks lie and obfuscate all the time for various reasons. Old saw, how do you know when a politician or bureaucrat is lying? When his lips are moving.

[Number 10 GI]

You can die just as easily when shot in the leg.

A Vietnam vet friend of mine related a story to me about a fellow soldier being shot in the leg. He had been hit in the femoral artery, a medic wasn't available, and they couldn't get the blood stopped. The soldier bled to death in just a couple minutes.

[Number 10 GI]

It is not self defence if the other does not have a gun. There are many options beside murder to stand your ground, sadly the union police have make it impossible to put them in jail even if they shoot a innocent person.

Since you are an expert what are those options. What does stand your ground have to do with a police officer in this situation? Apparently you don't know what "stand your ground" laws mean. If a person has a knife in their hands they are NOT unarmed and defenseless. A person with a knife can cause severe injuries and death to the person they are attacking. Back in the late 80's in Mexico there were more knife homicides than homicides by all means (knives, bludgeons, guns, feet, fists, etc.) in the United States so don't think a knife is a toy. Self defense is not murder. I didn't know that the police unions could suspend laws. If the police officer is guilty of a crime the union can't do anything about the officer being charged, tried and convicted. The union is not a court of law or above it.

[jimjamuser]

Sorry, but that dog don't hunt. Put myself in a black person's shoes? It's not your fault that you don't know me, but you are assuming. Now, try this one on for size. Put yourself in the Chinese shoes that built the railroad, etc. Put yourself in the shoes of our American Indians (indigenous Americans). Put yourself in the shoes of the Japanese that were institutionalized (to put it nicely) in camps during WWII. Put yourself in the shoes of the WHITE indentured servants that were before the black slaves. Sorry, but everyone has an excuse for bad behavior if they search for justification and rationalization. The law does not stipulate ethnicity. Believe me when I say that honest, law abiding Americans of any color or gender want law enforcement, not pity from those that feel they are better than them. If you wish to empathize with a minority, try empathizing with those that are law abiding and are embarrassed by the thuggery of the criminal element.
It IS true that society needs law enforcement. But, they want unbiased law enforcement, not shoot-em-up cowboys with disregard for human life. Most Police are fine individuals......but......there are some that are BAD apples, to begin with. There are some that become jaded after years in the job (that is almost human nature) and should be given desk jobs. And many departments are controlled by OVERLY strong unions. That has been mentioned on this forum before.

Both Police and Military individuals at all levels have a tendency when putting on a uniform to take on an attitude of superiority. They can lose sight of humility and empathy. There are exceptions of course but these particular individuals covet power over others and the uniform gives them that power. Not saying that it is everyone or even rampant, but it does happen. After History like Jim Crow and current events like the Floyd murder, Black and Brown people are afraid of Police in uniform. Also Kent State with respect to the military.

In the future, when robotic Police are perfected, the fear of harm to themselves will be eliminated. They can be programmed with techniques of social science also. In the meantime, the combination of bad Cops and civilians with mental problems will persist. It is a problem that needs to be solved. The US needs to look at other more successful countries for answers. But, that rarely happens!

[Number 10 GI]

The family had called for an ambulance. He was in mental crisis. The police knew this. They knew he was not capable of processing their orders. He was walking in circles until they arrived. Defunding mental health and turning it over to communities where the money went to support everything else is a major contributor here. Should we shoot all with mental defects. Autistic? Schizophrenic? Diabetic? When an ambulance is requested why bring 20 bullets.

In your "expert" opinion what should have been done? Send in a 100lb female social worker, a priest, a psychiatrist, or what? What makes you think he would respond reasonably to them when he was hostile and violent to family members?

[Number 10 GI]

The man's mother called the police, on her son, because he was having a mental breakdown episode. He had a knife in his hand. The mother was hoping they could restrain him. He was mentally ill. If he had been white I bet they wouldn't have shot and killed him. Again he had a knife, we wasn't much of a threat, he didn't come at them, he simply didn't obey them..... he was mentally ill.

:ohdear:

[coffeebean]

Just more pathetic nonsense, most probably don’t even know what they are rioting for...probably time for some new sneakers..

I saw a report on the news that looters were leaving stores with full appliances. They know what they need so just go and take it!!!! It's not "baby needs a new pair of shoes", it's "wifey needs a washing machine and dryer".

[Mrprez]

I saw a report on the news that looters were leaving stores with full appliances. They know what they need so just go and take it!!!! It's not "baby needs a new pair of shoes", it's "wifey needs a new washing machine and dryer".

I saw the news report of the guy stealing what appeared to be a washing machine. He even had the forethought to bring or steal a two wheeled cart to carry said appliance home.

[coffeebean]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.
People have been known to kill people with a knife. You call this an "unnecessary" killing? Bi-polar people have been know to kill people. You call this an "unnecessary killing"?

I respectfully disagree with your comment.

Did you see this article about a police officer in the Philippines who was killed when he attempted to break up a cock fight? The blade that is attached to the cock's leg, slashed him in his femoral artery. The officer died..........

httphttps://www.foxnews.com/world/police-officer-killed-by-cockfighting-roosters-blade-while-breaking-up-game://

Did I make my point?

[Fredman]

But could you at least just aim for a leg? Maybe you're not a sure shot but these police officers are supposed to be trained professionals.

They are trained to shoot at the mass

[Fredman]

Philadelphia itself has a population of about 1.6 million. Of those, 644,000 are African-Americans. (The large metropolitan area has about 6 million people, the 8th largest in the U.S.) The news sources I’ve just looked at are saying maybe a thousand people looting and another thousand protesting, but of course those numbers could vary and may grow. That is to say, it looks like it is a very tiny percentage of the population that is rioting and looting or marching. I lived within two hours of Philadelphia for 34 years, and while I avoided going there as much as possible, I was there two or three dozen times. A huge percentage of the African-American population are hard workers with nice houses spreading over many miles. There are also appalling slums with run-down housing and what seem to be run-down people. Those areas scare me. The same goes for many cities. Don’t assume that everyone is looting.

Here is a proposal I’ve come up with. The U.S. government should offer “reparations” of $1,000 a month per person for 25 years only available to descendants of slaves from Africa and only if they live in South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, or Louisiana. Those states, the Deep South, were responsible for the great majority of Africans brought here, and they are close to being majorities in these states today. If this were done, millions who are barely getting by would move south. Those African-Americans remaining in the north would be prospering and law-abiding, living the American Dream. In the Deep South, African-Americans would soon become the majority everywhere. By voting, they could assure that nearly every legislator, judge, or office holder of any sort would be African-American. They would be responsible for their own fate. Nearly all police officers would be African-American, too. They could make their own laws and have their own justice system that they consider fair. Many European-Americans might choose to leave, but this would leave housing and jobs available for those moving to the area. Some would consider the money enough to live on, if they are in a family setting, without working. For others, the extra money would be enough on top of a salary to live well. The cost to the taxpayers nationwide might be offset by savings In the costs for police, prisons, welfare, schools, etc. The infrastructure in the Deep South or airports, roads, factories, farms, hospitals, etc. would help this work.

And how do you trace them back to slavery.

[coffeebean]

You need to put yourself in the cops place and I bet your reaction to the butter knife would be the same to keep yourself from getting hurt. It’s easy to judge from the sidelines

Has it been reported that the knife was a butter knife?

[coffeebean]

Between the legs maybe?

Now THAT would certainly bring him to his knees!!!

[Fredman]

It is not self defence if the other does not have a gun. There are many options beside murder to stand your ground, sadly the union police have make it impossible to put them in jail even if they shoot a innocent person.

Oh, so a knife isn’t a weapon

[jimjamuser]

I don't know if you have any experience shooting a pistol because it is extremely difficult for a good marksman to hit something as small as a leg on a moving person. In a panic situation adrenaline surge will affect fine motor skills, such as aiming a gun properly and accurately. It also causes a person to have tunnel vision so most people involved in a shooting don't accurately remember how many rounds they shot. Most will say only a few when a number of shot were fired. The vast majority of police officers in their entire 20+ years of service never pull their gun in the line of duty let alone have to shoot someone. It takes a lot of training in these types of scenarios to give officers the knowledge of what to do. However, training only goes so far, it takes an actual shoot out to hone those skills. The military trains all the time for war and even after all the training the death rate for new to battle soldiers is higher than for experienced fighters.
Unlike in Hollywood movies where one shot from a pistol kills the person immediately, in the real world it can take numerous shots from a pistol to stop them unless the heart or central nervous system (brain, spinal cord) is hit by a bullet. A mentally deranged and violent person can be almost immune to pain and absorb a number of bullets and still kill the police officer.
Many police departments don't have the funds for recurring marksmanship training, they fund for the annual or semi-annual qualification requirement of the officer and that is it. You will find that most police officers are mediocre to poor marksman due to the lack of training so one of them hitting a leg is going to be quite an accomplishment. Police officers are taught to shoot center of mass on a person because it is so difficult to hit a leg or arm on a person and the center of mass hit produces a faster stop to the aggression.
Very informative post. What is your opinion about tranquilizer darts in that situation? Can robotic Police be perfected in the future to take care of many (not all) of these situations in your opinion?

[Justus]

It IS true that society needs law enforcement. But, they want unbiased law enforcement, not shoot-em-up cowboys with disregard for human life. Most Police are fine individuals......but......there are some that are BAD apples, to begin with. There are some that become jaded after years in the job (that is almost human nature) and should be given desk jobs. And many departments are controlled by OVERLY strong unions. That has been mentioned on this forum before.

Both Police and Military individuals at all levels have a tendency when putting on a uniform to take on an attitude of superiority. They can lose sight of humility and empathy. There are exceptions of course but these particular individuals covet power over others and the uniform gives them that power. Not saying that it is everyone or even rampant, but it does happen. After History like Jim Crow and current events like the Floyd murder, Black and Brown people are afraid of Police in uniform. Also Kent State with respect to the military.

In the future, when robotic Police are perfected, the fear of harm to themselves will be eliminated. They can be programmed with techniques of social science also. In the meantime, the combination of bad Cops and civilians with mental problems will persist. It is a problem that needs to be solved. The US needs to look at other more successful countries for answers. But, that rarely happens!

George Floyd had 2-3 times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system when he died, as well as a long history of coronary artery disease. He was a dead man walking before he attacked the police. Many such doped-up individuals are exceedingly violent, and have the strength of several large adult males. They often can "come back to life" after being pronounced dead at the scene several minutes beforehand, only to kill an unsuspecting EMT, LEO or medical attendant. It is possible the officers involved were afraid of this while he was being held down.

It's easy to judge and not put yourself in the officer's shoes. Today, the officer is immediately declared guilty by news media and interested parties. No one but a Police Officer is declared a murderer before being tried and convicted. With the current situation as it is, despite significant evidence to the contrary, he may be sacrificed in the name of social justice.

Being a Police Officer today is a no-win situation. Most become LEOs because as children, they have dreams of saving lives and protecting the innocent. The disillusionment comes with brutal working conditions, the horrible things they have to see and deal with day after day, and constant criticisms by sidewalk superintendents who have never done anything for anyone but themselves.

This is why there is a mass exodus from the LE industry. God help us when the ROBOCOP scenario comes to fruition and the humanity is stripped from our protectors.

[jimjamuser]

In the city where we lived before TV, a population of about 160,000, we had a gang problem for years. Everyone with a brain knew that but the mayor, city council and the police chief would vehemently deny there were gangs. In their pea brain minds they thought it would show weakness in their leadership if they admitted to the city having a gang problem. They finally had to admit to it, the crime level rose so much that it couldn't be denied any more. Politician and their hacks lie and obfuscate all the time for various reasons. Old saw, how do you know when a politician or bureaucrat is lying? When his lips are moving.
Agreed. You can not ignore a problem. It always comes back to bite you! Gangs are really everywhere. Need to stop the demand for drugs. Then the supply will dry up. Unfortunately, the gangs will still be here and will adapt to some other crime.

[GPGuar]

Very impressive plan. There will be naysayers on this forum. But, I say kudos to you! AT the minimum, you showed empathy and went the extra mile by proposing SOME kind of a plan. You, at least, are RECOGNIZING the problem, which is the 1st part of any solution. ANY plan would be better than NO plan! .......I liked Andrew Yang's proposal of giving everyone $1000 per month because it would be easy to implement. I would have added, "only for families making under $200,000 per year". But any version of his plan is a good start.
So your saying that giving $1000 a month to who ever wants it as long as they make less than 200,000 a year seems like a good idea to you? And for how long? Where are you gonna get all this money from? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
When times got difficult money wise, I worked two 40hour jobs to get by. There’s no free lunch!

[Fredman]

The right wing extremists are responsible for most of the political violence , according to the FBI Director’s statements to Congress. FBI director says antifa is an ideology, not an organization (https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-race-and-ethnicity-archive-bdd3b6078e9efadcfcd0be4b65f2362e)

I did not know that an ideology could dress in black, could destroy, could have weapons and could show up at every protest and even walk and talk

[Two Bills]

There never seems to be a dog unit around in these cicumstances.

[coffeebean]

The man's mother called the police, on her son, because he was having a mental breakdown episode. He had a knife in his hand. The mother was hoping they could restrain him. He was mentally ill. If he had been white I bet they wouldn't have shot and killed him. Again he had a knife, we wasn't much of a threat, he didn't come at them, he simply didn't obey them..... he was mentally ill.

Any person, black or white, having a mental breakdown holding a knife IS a threat. It is amazing how, a mentally dysfunctional person finds all sorts of adrenaline and can overtake anyone attempting to subdue them. It is a very scary situation and I will never believe this guy "wasn't much of a threat".

[coffeebean]

This is what happens in a Godless society. Sad.

Can’t have a Bible in school but as soon as you get to prison they offer you one.

We will reap what we sow. Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus!

Right and wrong is instilled by your family and those who care about you and nurture you, not from God.

[transplanted]

sounds like a super-spreader event to me! Love that they came with dollies and the police were told to stand down. What's next?

[transplanted]

From what I saw on the video, it wasn't a self-defence shooting. Wallace had a very small knife - why use deadly force? Taser him or lassoo him, or shoot him non-lethally. There was no need for deadly force.

Give that a try when such a person comes for you and we'll see how it works out. Respectfully submitted as the sister of a police officer in the DC metro area.

[transplanted]

And what about reparations for the descendants of the white/other (basically - non-slave peoples) whose lives and fortunes were stolen/ burned up, etc., by the government during the civil war? My family was VERY wealthy until then... and yet I grew up in an 8x40 trailer with my family.

[transplanted]

But could you at least just aim for a leg? Maybe you're not a sure shot but these police officers are supposed to be trained professionals.

And then he hits a femoral artery and the perpetrator bleeds out and the cop is still wrong - right?

[SUENRAN]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

Such an sad statement to make. A kitchen knife with can be driven into a person. Maybe the person should have put the knife down!

[Art cov]

Right and wrong is instilled by your family and those who care about you and nurture you, not from God.

God can be your father or the devil can be. Some don’t believe in either but that doesn’t mean it isn’t so. You will do the works of your father

[Number 10 GI]

Very informative post. What is your opinion about tranquilizer darts in that situation? Can robotic Police be perfected in the future to take care of many (not all) of these situations in your opinion?

I like the idea of a tranquilizer dart, officers should be equipped with tasers also. I'm all for any alternative to a firearm in the appropriate situation. Notice the word "appropriate'. Too many people think that police officers are robots in that they can kill without remorse and suffer no psychological problems afterwards. That is pure BS, a little research will show that officers and civilians that have had to kill someone develop severe cases of PTSD from the trauma of the incident. Soldiers are not "trained to kill remorselessly" and they suffer emotional effects from the killing in warfare. Only sociopathic individual kills without remorse and the vast majority of police and soldiers are not in that category. No one gets up in the morning and says "I'm going to kill someone today".
From what I've heard on this incident the police officers were not equipped with tasers or any other non-lethal equipment. Lets put the blame where it belongs, the mayor and city council. These are the people who have oversight on police departments and who control the budget and who should be insisting on equipping the police adequately for all situations. Do you see a cabinet maker using a chainsaw or a surgeon using a hacksaw? When the city only equips the police with lethal weapons why do they not think there be avoidable deaths.
Robotic cops are a long way down the road and in the realm of science fiction at this time.

[jimjamuser]

I like the idea of a tranquilizer dart, officers should be equipped with tasers also. I'm all for any alternative to a firearm in the appropriate situation. Notice the word "appropriate'. Too many people think that police officers are robots in that they can kill without remorse and suffer no psychological problems afterwards. That is pure BS, a little research will show that officers and civilians that have had to kill someone develop severe cases of PTSD from the trauma of the incident. Soldiers are not "trained to kill remorselessly" and they suffer emotional effects from the killing in warfare. Only sociopathic individual kills without remorse and the vast majority of police and soldiers are not in that category. No one gets up in the morning and says "I'm going to kill someone today".
From what I've heard on this incident the police officers were not equipped with tasers or any other non-lethal equipment. Lets put the blame where it belongs, the mayor and city council. These are the people who have oversight on police departments and who control the budget and who should be insisting on equipping the police adequately for all situations. Do you see a cabinet maker using a chainsaw or a surgeon using a hacksaw? When the city only equips the police with lethal weapons why do they not think there be avoidable deaths.
Robotic cops are a long way down the road and in the realm of science fiction at this time.
Thanks, that was a very informative post!

[Justus]

Perhaps some like-minded citizens could form a volunteer group in each metropolitan area. When a "disturbed" person, or one high on street drugs is wielding a knife, threatening others, an unarmed member of the volunteer group could be immediately summoned to the scene to replace the police officers on duty. This volunteer could certainly "reason" with him, convincing him to surrender his weapon, therefore eliminating the potential for unjustified police violence. Any takers?

LOL! This was clearly intended as sarcasm...was I too subtle?

[Neils]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

Have u ever been stabbed with any type of knife for doing your job?

[davem4616]

But could you at least just aim for a leg? Maybe you're not a sure shot but these police officers are supposed to be trained professionals.


they could still bleed out if shot in the leg....maybe police training should include a trip to Hollywood to be trained to shoot the weapon out of their attacker's hand like the sheriffs in the old wild west movies do

:1rotfl:

[PugMom]

Just wondering do we have a Militia Organization in The Villages, would we need one?

it's easier to ask 'who isn't carrying.' darn near everyone is already armed & self-protected, no fear here :coolsmiley:

[Mrprez]

I have been stabbed with a knife. Fortunately, the guy with the knife didn’t know what he was doing as I am still alive. It could have just as easily gone the other direction.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Proud Boys and white supremacists are going to these protests and taking advantage of these situations. Check the news for who is actually being charged with the crimes of which you speak. Don’t know which is worse Anttfi or BLM both espouse violence, looting and discord. They are well organized and well funded and armed. No law enforcement officer is safe until these organizations are brought under control

[coffeebean]

Current news: Three people in France killed in a knife attack by a terrorist.

[Bay Kid]

Someone mentioned giving a free $1,000. to all. Could this already be the problem? Bet 99% of the looters are already getting free money from the government for doing nothing. Pay them not to loot? Instead create jobs so they will be able to work.

[B-flat]

I stopped reading as soon as I saw it was Fox news doing the reporting.

Please let us know what happens when you are trying to shop at your favorite store if a bi-polar man or woman or anyone with a knife comes at you. Maybe you could fight them off with your purse or cell phone.

[transplanted]

Tasers Have always been non lethal

Quote In theory, a Taser is intended to serve as a non-lethal method of control for law enforcement officers when they need to physically restrain a dangerous person. But as the new Circulation study demonstrates, Tasers cannot so simply be categorized as “non-lethal.” end quote

Tasers No Longer a Non-Lethal Alternative for Law Enforcement | American Civil Liberties Union (https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/tasers-no-longer-non-lethal-alternative-law-enforcement)

[Joe V.]

quote in theory, a taser is intended to serve as a non-lethal method of control for law enforcement officers when they need to physically restrain a dangerous person. But as the new circulation study demonstrates, tasers cannot so simply be categorized as “non-lethal.” end quote

tasers no longer a non-lethal alternative for law enforcement | american civil liberties union (https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/tasers-no-longer-non-lethal-alternative-law-enforcement)


aclu. Lol

[Stu from NYC]

Please let us know what happens when you are trying to shop at your favorite store if a bi-polar man or woman or anyone with a knife comes at you. Maybe you could fight them off with your purse or cell phone.

On behalf of the social workers union offended you did not give us a plug.

[jimbomaybe]

It is not self defence if the other does not have a gun. There are many options beside murder to stand your ground, sadly the union police have make it impossible to put them in jail even if they shoot a innocent person. LOL I guess the officers should defend themselves with knives see as how that was what they were threatened with, I know as a certain fact that pepper spray doesn't always work with some people who are mentally deranged or on drugs, not sure about tasers , if you chase somebody with a deadly weapon you are attacking them if they have a gun the reasonable response is to shoot you and continue to shoot them until you are no longer a threat, "shoot them in the leg" is a response regularly brought up buy people with no real concept of the actual dynamics of violent confrontations, you aim center of mass

[Byte1]

It IS true that society needs law enforcement. But, they want unbiased law enforcement, not shoot-em-up cowboys with disregard for human life. Most Police are fine individuals......but......there are some that are BAD apples, to begin with. There are some that become jaded after years in the job (that is almost human nature) and should be given desk jobs. And many departments are controlled by OVERLY strong unions. That has been mentioned on this forum before.

Both Police and Military individuals at all levels have a tendency when putting on a uniform to take on an attitude of superiority. They can lose sight of humility and empathy. There are exceptions of course but these particular individuals covet power over others and the uniform gives them that power. Not saying that it is everyone or even rampant, but it does happen. After History like Jim Crow and current events like the Floyd murder, Black and Brown people are afraid of Police in uniform. Also Kent State with respect to the military.

In the future, when robotic Police are perfected, the fear of harm to themselves will be eliminated. They can be programmed with techniques of social science also. In the meantime, the combination of bad Cops and civilians with mental problems will persist. It is a problem that needs to be solved. The US needs to look at other more successful countries for answers. But, that rarely happens!

The Police Officer will use his hand weapon an average of two times in his whole career. Most police officers have NEVER shot anyone. It is the presumption of the ignorant to think that police officers are cowboys, just looking for a chance to use their weapon.
I doubt there will EVER be robot law enforcement utilized in the policing of American citizens. It's probably a good thing that we do not have robotic policing because it's a sure thing that there would be more criminals shot. Most officers put themselves in grave danger when attempting to disarm perps. Most are successful, actually. We only hear about their failures to disarm the bad guys peacefully.
Police do not need to be RE-educated or RE-trained. They do need constant training, which costs money. It is the population that needs to be EDUCATED. The lack of discipline and respect for the law is a disease that needs to be cured.

[manaboutown]

For those who do not consider knives deadly weapons...Woman Beheaded in Church, Two Others Killed in Knife Attack in Nice, France (https://www.newsweek.com/woman-beheaded-church-another-killed-knife-attack-nice-france-1543132?fbclid=IwAR1ivVx9Xt8Ba3rDOEWXNGOek_VwYl-uAh_FqbIG9iwnsATRaTfW5jklBQ0)

[Number 10 GI]

Proud Boys and white supremacists are going to these protests and taking advantage of these situations. Check the news for who is actually being charged with the crimes of which you speak.

Post some sources that are actually confirmed by legal authorities that these people are actually tied to a white supremacist organization. I don't want to read an unsubstantiated propaganda piece by some so-called journalist who got the information from the cousin of an unnamed source.

[donfey]

Don’t know which is worse Anttfi or BLM both espouse violence, looting and discord. They are well organized and well funded and armed. No law enforcement officer is safe until these organizations are brought under control

Sadly, they ARE well funded, by people who hate America and want its downfall. Law and Order will not survive if rioters, looters and arsonists are not confronted, FORCEFULLY.

[donfey]

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

So you'd be OK with this crazy b-tard coming on to you with a butcher knife?

[Get real]

BLM = Burn Loot Murder

[Bay Kid]

What can be done to stop police killings?
Parents, teach your children respect. Not only for the police, but for everyone.

[B-flat]

This is what happens in a Godless society. Sad.

Can’t have a Bible in school but as soon as you get to prison they offer you one.

We will reap what we sow. Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus!

Thank you!