You Can't Make It Up

[PennBF]

First the Village Newspaper had the Covid-19 virus daily numbers on the front page, then they were moved to "The Local News Section A5"and now they are buried on page A8 in Local News.The numbers shot up today and god forbid if this got out to the potential buyers in the Villages and had them wait to purchase. It appears that maybe making it more difficult to find the numbers will keep more unaware including current residents of the risks in the Villages. Where the heck are our values??:ohdear:

[ctmurray]

According to a leading politician's list of scientific accomplishments during his term the pandemic is over. So, yes the numbers are going to be less prominent for the reasons you mentioned.

[Mortal1]

Well our values are split in two...some have values that claim a rally is a super spreading event...that same side claims that protests with 10's of thousands is not...the other side says be vigilant and follow the covid avoidance guidelines and use some common sense....one side is trying to scare the heck out of you by flashing certain statistics in your face everyday....the other side says, "yes it's happening...don't freak out and follow the same guidelines as before...calmly"...because panic accomplishes nothing.

So the good, safe and civilized values are being suppressed...while "the sky is falling" values are being shoved down our throat. Easy peasy.

[biker1]

Please stop with the hysterics. The daily numbers are in the "State News" section, which seems appropriate, and are highlighted in green and are hardly "buried". Their summary for today, by the way, appears to be wrong. The latest numbers can be found at the Florida COVID-19 dashboard.

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429)

Why you would depend on the Daily Sun for such information when the dashboard is just a click away is hard to fathom. By the way, the positive test rate for Sumter County yesterday was very low: 9 positives out of 489 tests or less than 2% positive. When you remove the numbers from the two prisons in Sumter, the County is doing very well. Asserting some sort of conspiracy about The Villages so they can sell more houses is just looney-tunes.

First the Village Newspaper had the Covid-19 virus daily numbers on the front page, then they were moved to "The Local News Section A5"and now they are buried on page A8 in Local News.The numbers shot up today and god forbid if this got out to the potential buyers in the Villages and had them wait to purchase. It appears that maybe making it more difficult to find the numbers will keep more unaware including current residents of the risks in the Villages. Where the heck are our values??:ohdear:

[TimeForChange]

This is a political post and should be removed by the people in charge!

[TimeForChange]

According to a leading politician's list of scientific accomplishments during his term the pandemic is over. So, yes the numbers are going to be less prominent for the reasons you mentioned.

This is a political post and should be removed by the people in charge!

[DeanFL]

This is a political post and should be removed by the people in charge!

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3 more days. 3 more days and the ToTV sniping should hopefully lessen. No matter which guy wins.
That's good news.
The bad news will be, as in 2016 - the anger, disputes, law suits, endless "news" coverage, and IMO CERTAIN unrest from much of the populice for weeks. Very concerning as I believe the Media will fuel much of it.

Hang on folks.
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[Stu from NYC]

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3 more days. 3 more days and the ToTV sniping should hopefully lessen. No matter which guy wins.
That's good news.
The bad news will be, as in 2016 - the anger, disputes, law suits, endless "news" coverage, and IMO CERTAIN unrest from much of the populice for weeks. Very concerning as I believe the Media will fuel much of it.

Hang on folks.
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These journalism schools should be closed and prospective journalists should be taught they report the news not make it up to suit their wishes.

[EdFNJ]

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3 more days. 3 more days and the ToTV sniping should hopefully lessen. No matter which guy wins.
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As they say: "From your lips to God's ears" but sad to say in 3 days it is only going to get worse. Not only here but all over the country if the expected happens

[davem4616]

why bother trying to track the covid-19 numbers...just play it safe

I don't track the daily DJIA or NYSE numbers either...I just try to make decisions that I feel are right for me

[graciegirl]

Well our values are split in two...some have values that claim a rally is a super spreading event...that same side claims that protests with 10's of thousands is not...the other side says be vigilant and follow the covid avoidance guidelines and use some common sense....one side is trying to scare the heck out of you by flashing certain statistics in your face everyday....the other side says, "yes it's happening...don't freak out and follow the same guidelines as before...calmly"...because panic accomplishes nothing.

So the good, safe and civilized values are being suppressed...while "the sky is falling" values are being shoved down our throat. Easy peasy.

OR...we could realize that we as the older population have the option to lay low until a vaccine comes and turn our head when people who are not as much at risk resume their lives. There is another REAL issue; the economy.

We cannot forever dole people out. The economy was booming, everyone who wanted one had jobs, due in at least part to the embargos on China and the tax cuts to big business allowing them to return to American soil to be competitive and engender thousands of jobs to people who then fuel the economy and then taxes don't have to raised for ANYBODY. The economy and big business are not BAD words. They put food on the table and buy health insurance.

I do so love thriving capitalism, even though I very much believe we are having a Pandemic.

There is NO easy answer and sometimes no answer at all for problems. When you get old enough, that wisdom hits you.

[Stu from NYC]

why bother trying to track the covid-19 numbers...just play it safe

I don't track the daily DJIA or NYSE numbers either...I just try to make decisions that I feel are right for me

My kids in DC track the numbers and will use that info in deciding when it is safe for them to come here.

[jebartle]

I'm not turning back the clock tonight, I don't want one more hour of 2020....j

[vintageogauge]

Which will or has affected the numbers. Opening the squares, churches, 100% capacity restaurants, the return of snowbirds all month, or The Rally at the polo fields? Not as high as many expected with all 5 possibilities now in play. I think we're doing pretty good and as noted above, take away the prison numbers and we are doing very well.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Which will or has affected the numbers. Opening the squares, churches, 100% capacity restaurants, the return of snowbirds all month, or The Rally at the polo fields? Not as high as many expected with all 5 possibilities now in play. I think we're doing pretty good and as noted above, take away the prison numbers and we are doing very well.

Hey that's great news. Five fewer of you will die in the next month. I'll be celebrating for sure.

Here's some more awesome news: if you're the lucky fella who gets to catch COVID and NOT die, you're most likely to spend the rest of whatever months or years you have left, having trouble breathing, and going in and out of hospitals for heart failure. I'm totally excited to hear about that. I'll lift a glass in your honor tomorrow.

[Dond1959]

I would really encourage people to go to the website worldometers.info. Look for the US Coronavirus page and click on Florida. That will give you a wealth of facts on cases here in Florida.

One chart is the daily cases going back to the beginning. It show a rising trend through summer that peaks at over 15,000 cases in July. The numbers trend down through August and into September and were consistently below 5,000 cases a day. Over the past 10 days two days have been over 5,000. So we may be beginning to see an upward trend but it is really too early to know for sure. However, we are nowhere near where we were in July.

Another interesting chart is the number of active cases in Florida. These peaked in August at over 500,000. Active cases are now around 200,000. Same trend with deaths, peaking and on a downward trend.

I hope you will look at these charts and make your own mind up about the current risk and what precautions you should take. Don’t take others opinions, look at data and make your own call on what to do.

[coffeebean]

According to a leading politician's list of scientific accomplishments during his term the pandemic is over. So, yes the numbers are going to be less prominent for the reasons you mentioned.

I have never been more disappointed in any one person in my life. Just saying.

[coffeebean]

This is a political post and should be removed by the people in charge!

Actually, this thread belongs in the NEWS AND CURRENT EVENTS forum. Seems there is very little activity in that forum because most of news and current events is a forbidden subject.

[44Apple]

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The bad news will be, as in 2016 - the anger, disputes, law suits, endless "news" coverage, and IMO CERTAIN unrest from much of the populice for weeks. Very concerning as I believe the Media will fuel much of it.


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And much fueled by AM radio.

[vintageogauge]

Hey that's great news. Five fewer of you will die in the next month. I'll be celebrating for sure.

Here's some more awesome news: if you're the lucky fella who gets to catch COVID and NOT die, you're most likely to spend the rest of whatever months or years you have left, having trouble breathing, and going in and out of hospitals for heart failure. I'm totally excited to hear about that. I'll lift a glass in your honor tomorrow.

The only person that I know who had Covid is our Commander in Chief and he seems to be doing just fine for a 74 year old somewhat out of shape male. This is not political he's the only person I can speak for regarding his recovery.

[44Apple]

The only person that I know who had Covid is our Commander in Chief and he seems to be doing just fine for a 74 year old somewhat out of shape male. This is not political he's the only person I can speak for regarding his recovery.

Possibly because his brain was already debilitated before his supposed illness.

[PennBF]

Knowledge is power! Knowledge should not be hidden. Taking important knowledge from 1st page to Section 2 A5 and then Section 2 A8 was the original point and nothing more or nothing less. It makes "Knowledge" just a little more difficult to find and inform the Residents. These are not arguable as they are facts. Using the excuse the critical medical facts are ALSO available elsewhere does not answer the question as to why not inform the residents if that is the purpose of publishing a newspaper which is suppose to be a source of current news and the threat of the spread of Covid-19 is critical news?:ho:

[Going My Way]

As they say: "From your lips to God's ears" but sad to say in 3 days it is only going to get worse. Not only here but all over the country if the expected happens
If it gets bad its time water cannons trucks start rolling out. Its getting to the point that the American people should gets a shower or two...

[Topspinmo]

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3 more days. 3 more days and the ToTV sniping should hopefully lessen. No matter which guy wins.
That's good news.
The bad news will be, as in 2016 - the anger, disputes, law suits, endless "news" coverage, and IMO CERTAIN unrest from much of the populice for weeks. Very concerning as I believe the Media will fuel much of it.

Hang on folks.
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Not cold day in hail.!!!!!

[Topspinmo]

If it gets bad its time water cannons trucks start rolling out. Its getting to the point that the American people should gets a shower or two...


Naa, just call in puff the magic dragons.

[Going My Way]

The only person that I know who had Covid is our Commander in Chief and he seems to be doing just fine for a 74 year old somewhat out of shape male. This is not political he's the only person I can speak for regarding his recovery.

I know a few here in The Villages that after getting the virus are just fine and they are over 60...

[Going My Way]

Possibly because his brain was already debilitated before his supposed illness.

Jealousy an ugly wife and no money gets you no-where.... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[coffeebean]

The only person that I know who had Covid is our Commander in Chief and he seems to be doing just fine for a 74 year old somewhat out of shape male. This is not political he's the only person I can speak for regarding his recovery.

Let's not forget, he had the benefit of therapeutics not available to the general public. Very glad he responded well to the state of the art treatment he had.

[Bikeracer2009]

I'm told we've "turned the corner on the virus". I've heard this several times over the last 6 months. We've turned the corner so many times that we're just going in circles now. Daily infection numbers are now over 1 new case per second. I hope this ride ends soon because these corners are getting worse not better. Time for someone to take the wheel and get us on the road with far fewer corners.

[Pairadocs]

First the Village Newspaper had the Covid-19 virus daily numbers on the front page, then they were moved to "The Local News Section A5"and now they are buried on page A8 in Local News.The numbers shot up today and god forbid if this got out to the potential buyers in the Villages and had them wait to purchase. It appears that maybe making it more difficult to find the numbers will keep more unaware including current residents of the risks in the Villages. Where the heck are our values??:ohdear:

Have been the "eternal optimist" all my life, but unfortunately, I think the changing of the location of these "facts about Covid cases, admissions, and deaths" only mimics the lack of consideration for anything but profit anymore. Maybe I am finally becoming cynical ? But sure seems like the only "ethics" considered is how it will effect bottom line profit. Are these number printed in the Daily Sun "news" paper ? I didn't see them in there at all, have to look closer I guess.... The on line paper called ************** is very confusing. It will have headline such as DEADLY virus takes toll on Villages again; then when you read it it seem more like the National Inquirer of "journalism", it lists all three counties and then when it breaks it down to how many in the Sumter county prison, the jails, the surrounding towns, you really have NO idea what the situation is IN the Villages and in the Villages Hospital ?

[Pairadocs]

And much fueled by AM radio.

Fueled by the media, yes, but also do WE all realizing what is happening to US ? Just read some of the things on here, actually they are "threats" to others, predicting their futures will be dark and debilitating even if they get well from the Covid ! WHAT is all that about ? When did people turn so ugly that they tell their friends and neighbors, "good luck buddy, even if you get well you'll NEVER be the same, you'll always have heart, breathing, etc. problems.... etc." WHY have we turned on each other like this ? Not long ago a neighbor would have had a heart attack, or serious pneumonia, and such and COMMON HUMAN CARING and DECENCY would dictate that we would say: " don't worry, you are going to be fine, your doing great, etc." Now we've stooped so low on here as to threaten people who may already be fearful, and predict (maybe with NO medical education at all) all the terrible things they will suffer the rest of their lives IF they get the virus and recover. Is this to make people HOPE they die if they do get it ? All this vicious hate, why why why ? Can't we ever encourage others, EVER ?

[coffeebean]

Fueled by the media, yes, but also do WE all realizing what is happening to US ? Just read some of the things on here, actually they are "threats" to others, predicting their futures will be dark and debilitating even if they get well from the Covid ! WHAT is all that about ? When did people turn so ugly that they tell their friends and neighbors, "good luck buddy, even if you get well you'll NEVER be the same, you'll always have heart, breathing, etc. problems.... etc." WHY have we turned on each other like this ? Not long ago a neighbor would have had a heart attack, or serious pneumonia, and such and COMMON HUMAN CARING and DECENCY would dictate that we would say: " don't worry, you are going to be fine, your doing great, etc." Now we've stooped so low on here as to threaten people who may already be fearful, and predict (maybe with NO medical education at all) all the terrible things they will suffer the rest of their lives IF they get the virus and recover. Is this to make people HOPE they die if they do get it ? All this vicious hate, why why why ? Can't we ever encourage others, EVER ?

What you are asking is to sugar coat the facts that what is being found out about this virus is that an infected person may have a poor prognosis to being healthy after contracting Covid. These facts are not used as scare tactics but to educate people about the findings of the scientists and physicians of patients who have recovered from Covid. Not everyone will have these complications and at this point, it is not known which complications will be life long. I'm all for learning more about this disease that may wind up effecting me or a loved one. I'm accepting of any and all information that is available to me.

[jaj523]

ABsolutely right. Why no one will tell us how many people in The Villages itself have died is beyond me. Is this a secret?

[Nightengale212]

What you are asking is to sugar coat the facts that what is being found out about this virus is that an infected person may have a poor prognosis to being healthy after contracting Covid. These facts are not used as scare tactics but to educate people about the findings of the scientists and physicians of patients who have recovered from Covid. Not everyone will have these complications and at this point, it is not known which complications will be life long. I'm all for learning more about this disease that may wind up effecting me or a loved one. I'm accepting of any and all information that is available to me.

I can tell you from working in a Federal Government research hospital affiliated with Brown University, I get daily up to date Covid info to my .gov email that I am mandated to review from all the DC agencies along with the Covid research being done at Brown. That being said I have yet to read any info from all these sources about long-term effects of Covid. And the reason for that is that nobody who has already contracted Covid has lived long enough post recovery to experience what would be considered a long-term effect. So if you are finding information that is predicting a poor long-term prognosis for someone who has contracted and recovered from Covid that is speculative at best. And I don't see any useful purpose in sharing speculative info without noting the source from which it originated from so one would have the opportunity to review it and come to their own conclusions regarding it's validity.

[camaguey48]

The propaganda media are panic mongers. Sorry bunch of people.

[Bay Kid]

Everyone wants to blame somebody. One country is the reason and USA isn't the reason.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I would really encourage people to go to the website worldometers.info. Look for the US Coronavirus page and click on Florida. That will give you a wealth of facts on cases here in Florida.

One chart is the daily cases going back to the beginning. It show a rising trend through summer that peaks at over 15,000 cases in July. The numbers trend down through August and into September and were consistently below 5,000 cases a day. Over the past 10 days two days have been over 5,000. So we may be beginning to see an upward trend but it is really too early to know for sure. However, we are nowhere near where we were in July.

Another interesting chart is the number of active cases in Florida. These peaked in August at over 500,000. Active cases are now around 200,000. Same trend with deaths, peaking and on a downward trend.

I hope you will look at these charts and make your own mind up about the current risk and what precautions you should take. Don’t take others opinions, look at data and make your own call on what to do.

The problem with that is that Florida is a such a big state that the overall numbers don't mean a lot to individuals. They would be having huge increases in Miami-Dade. Broward and Palm Beach counties while cases in The Villages are dropping.

The problem with The Villages is that very few statistics are actually taken from The Villages. They are usually done by county. So even though we can see numbers from the three counties, we don't know how many of those cases are in The Villages proper.

Lake is a big county with only a small section in The Villages. The same can be said for Marion. Sumter has the prison where the number of cases is going to be higher than the outside world.

So just because Florida or any of the three counties goes up or down, that doesn't mean that the same holds true for The Villages.

[gloria321]

I agree

[PugMom]

Fueled by the media, yes, but also do WE all realizing what is happening to US ? Just read some of the things on here, actually they are "threats" to others, predicting their futures will be dark and debilitating even if they get well from the Covid ! WHAT is all that about ? When did people turn so ugly that they tell their friends and neighbors, "good luck buddy, even if you get well you'll NEVER be the same, you'll always have heart, breathing, etc. problems.... etc." WHY have we turned on each other like this ? Not long ago a neighbor would have had a heart attack, or serious pneumonia, and such and COMMON HUMAN CARING and DECENCY would dictate that we would say: " don't worry, you are going to be fine, your doing great, etc." Now we've stooped so low on here as to threaten people who may already be fearful, and predict (maybe with NO medical education at all) all the terrible things they will suffer the rest of their lives IF they get the virus and recover. Is this to make people HOPE they die if they do get it ? All this vicious hate, why why why ? Can't we ever encourage others, EVER ?

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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I can tell you from working in a Federal Government research hospital affiliated with Brown University, I get daily up to date Covid info to my .gov email that I am mandated to review from all the DC agencies along with the Covid research being done at Brown. That being said I have yet to read any info from all these sources about long-term effects of Covid. And the reason for that is that nobody who has already contracted Covid has lived long enough post recovery to experience what would be considered a long-term effect. So if you are finding information that is predicting a poor long-term prognosis for someone who has contracted and recovered from Covid that is speculative at best. And I don't see any useful purpose in sharing speculative info without noting the source from which it originated from so one would have the opportunity to review it and come to their own conclusions regarding it's validity.

I think that the poster may have been referring to the long term effects of being placed on a ventilator.

Roughly 20% of Covid-19 patients require hospitalization but only about 5% require a ventilator. Being placed on a ventilator had been a death sentence for many patients and those that survived did experience long term issues.

However, an increasing number of those placed on a ventilator are surviving and with fewer long term effects than previous numbers. Perhaps the health care professionals are learning to use ventilators in a better way.

[Bucco]

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Day after day, after day. Attacks on others. Accuse each other.

Then, always, blame those who report all of it, ignoring and applauding those in the middle of it all.

You would think the entire country would applaud any action to slow down the virus, etc.

We used to divide on health care, or economics, etc.

Now we ignore whatever the issue and simply widen the divide by simply attacking those we are told are the "other side". And we are doing it more openly and more mean spirited than ever before in history.

Families of those suffering must be heart broken, at best, as how fellow Americans respond to this challenge. Our country looks weak and uninformed, and most importantly deaf to anyone other than those who agree with us.

[biker1]

I doubt that. Do you have a reference? Assuming I interpreted the CDC data correctly, it appears that recently the hospitalization rate is about 2%. A rate of 20% may be true for those over 65 but not for young people. The COVID-19 statistics vary greatly with age. Perhaps you are referring to people who have serious symptoms? The vast majority are either asymptomatic or have minor symptoms. According to the Florida COVID-19 dashboard, the hospitalization rate is about 6% (for Florida).

I think that the poster may have been referring to the long term effects of being placed on a ventilator.

Roughly 20% of Covid-19 patients require hospitalization but only about 5% require a ventilator. Being placed on a ventilator had been a death sentence for many patients and those that survived did experience long term issues.

However, an increasing number of those placed on a ventilator are surviving and with fewer long term effects than previous numbers. Perhaps the health care professionals are learning to use ventilators in a better way.

[PennBF]

The original question was why does the Village Newspaper bury the local statistics that are related to the number and spread of the Covid-19 virus?? Moving the data from Page 1 to hard to find on Section A8 is clearly an attempt to "hide the numbers". Again this is a fact and not open to being arguable! A bunch of the responses to this question have nothing to do with the question. Even to the point that some try to make a joke out of a very scary desease. Again..why do you believe the data is being downplayed to the public?
Please stay on the subject. :ho:

[PennBF]

It's find "Waldo" time. Can anyone find the Covid-19 numbers in the Daily Sun today? If so
you win the "Find Waldo" challenge.:a040:

[graciegirl]

The original question was why does the Village Newspaper bury the local statistics that are related to the number and spread of the Covid-19 virus?? Moving the data from Page 1 to hard to find on Section A8 is clearly an attempt to "hide the numbers". Again this is a fact and not open to being arguable! A bunch of the responses to this question have nothing to do with the question. Even to the point that some try to make a joke out of a very scary desease. Again..why do you believe the data is being downplayed to the public?
Please stay on the subject. :ho:

On the top of my computer screen, way up there where it says https://www.talkofthevillages..etc? You just type in the word "Coronavirus" or the word "Covid-19.

That is how we get right up to the minute numbers of deaths and new cases. We can see them by the State of Florida, or by the county or the country.

Right now the country is up and Sumter County doesn't seem to be increasing and Florida isn't rising at this time.

Just type in Coronavirus up there and BINGO. You don't have to get mad at The Daily Sun. Maybe they know this trick too and figure everyone knows it and don't put numbers on the front page. Maybe too because at this time Sumter County and Florida do not seem to be in an uptick. I really expected the numbers to rise here in Sumter because of the rally ten days ago.

[Gulfcoast]

I think that people are finding that they can stay safe with FAR fewer restrictions on their personal freedoms. The Coronavirus death numbers were inflated and overblown.

[PugMom]

we have been @ this EIGHT MONTHS? how much longer are we willing to let this go on, & how long is too long? will we simply give in & accept whatever is fed thru the media or are we going to make our own decisions as responsible adults?