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cyrilwood
11-09-2020, 06:06 AM
Good news for those who have the virus and want to spread it or just want to get it- walmart on wdgewood is not enforcing wearing a mask. Yesterday P.M. i saw families and individuals not wearing masks.

Art cov
11-09-2020, 06:41 AM
Whip dee do! Just old news!

Dana1963
11-09-2020, 07:05 AM
Good news for those who have the virus and want to spread it or just want to get it- walmart on wdgewood is not enforcing wearing a mask. Yesterday P.M. i saw families and individuals not wearing masks.
It's a loosing battle 50/50 for or against masks. Take care of yourself.

xcaligirl
11-09-2020, 07:39 AM
I was there the other day and saw an employee with his mask on his chin talking with customers, I saw 2 others in the store with no mask, saw several with masks under their noses. There will always be some people who feel rules do not apply and they also will not be asked to comply.

Ricky Dale
11-09-2020, 07:41 AM
Pfizer just reported a vaccine at 90% effective to stop COVID.

Ricky Dale
11-09-2020, 07:44 AM
Market furfures jumped over 1,000 points on the news.

Two Bills
11-09-2020, 07:48 AM
Pfizer just reported a vaccine at 90% effective to stop COVID.

Covid vaccine: First '''milestone''' vaccine offers 90% protection - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54873105)

YouNeverKnow
11-09-2020, 08:42 AM
Publix in Lake Deton Plaza same. Check out person with mask below nose, person bagging groceries with just a shield (no mask), employee checking all dairy cases and stocking milk etc wearing mask on chin like a chin guard. Several shoppers with no masks.
Hard to try and keep yourself safe when others are working against the scientific recommendations on how to be safe and keep others safe.
:shocked:

Topspinmo
11-09-2020, 08:47 AM
Good news for those who have the virus and want to spread it or just want to get it- walmart on wdgewood is not enforcing wearing a mask. Yesterday P.M. i saw families and individuals not wearing masks.


I hope they opened all the entry/exit doors. IMO the rise was higher when everybody had to go in and out one door. Stooopid idea IMO. You want to separate people not drive them down cattle loading pen.

Topspinmo
11-09-2020, 08:48 AM
Good news for those who have the virus and want to spread it or just want to get it- walmart on wdgewood is not enforcing wearing a mask. Yesterday P.M. i saw families and individuals not wearing masks.

No different than any other business.

Villageswimmer
11-09-2020, 09:44 AM
Publix in Lake Deton Plaza same. Check out person with mask below nose, person bagging groceries with just a shield (no mask), employee checking all dairy cases and stocking milk etc wearing mask on chin like a chin guard. Several shoppers with no masks.
Hard to try and keep yourself safe when others are working against the scientific recommendations on how to be safe and keep others safe.
:shocked:

Unless Publix has changed their policy, this is in violation of it. Did you report what you witnessed to the Manager?

YouNeverKnow
11-09-2020, 10:29 AM
Unless Publix has changed their policy, this is in violation of it. Did you report what you witnessed to the Manager?
Have said things in the past to both Winn Dixie manager and Publix manager. Have not gotten a response that indicates they can consistently take care of the problems. One check out lady told me they are not allowed to say anything to anyone about wearing a mask? Publix is definitely not following through on the company policy even with some employees.

tophcfa
11-09-2020, 10:47 AM
Very different approach up north in Massachusetts. 14 day quarantine for anyone coming to the state, unless coming from one of 6 designated low risk states. Masks are mandatory, with a fine for violation, everywhere in public, both indoors and outdoors, even if you can social distance. Indoor gatherings limited to 10 people and 25 outdoors. All non-essential businesses must close by 9:30 PM (just about everything except for hospitals) and curfew in place (with fines for violations) between 10 PM and 5 AM.

Here is hoping that today’s news of an effective vaccine are real?

Gulfcoast
11-09-2020, 11:00 AM
Very different approach up north in Massachusetts. 14 day quarantine for anyone coming to the state, unless coming from one of 6 designated low risk states. Masks are mandatory, with a fine for violation, everywhere in public, both indoors and outdoors, even if you can social distance. Indoor gatherings limited to 10 people and 25 outdoors. All non-essential businesses must close by 9:30 PM (just about everything except for hospitals) and curfew in place (with fines for violations) between 10 PM and 5 AM.

Here is hoping that today’s news of an effective vaccine are real?

I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.

Topspinmo
11-09-2020, 11:04 AM
I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.

Nothing more motivating than lining governments pockets. It’s all about money.

Topspinmo
11-09-2020, 11:06 AM
Very different approach up north in Massachusetts. 14 day quarantine for anyone coming to the state, unless coming from one of 6 designated low risk states. Masks are mandatory, with a fine for violation, everywhere in public, both indoors and outdoors, even if you can social distance. Indoor gatherings limited to 10 people and 25 outdoors. All non-essential businesses must close by 9:30 PM (just about everything except for hospitals) and curfew in place (with fines for violations) between 10 PM and 5 AM.

Here is hoping that today’s news of an effective vaccine are real?

Never really understood the limit 10 people? It only takes one to spread to another and another ect.........

Kilmacowen
11-09-2020, 11:12 AM
Very different approach up north in Massachusetts. 14 day quarantine for anyone coming to the state, unless coming from one of 6 designated low risk states. Masks are mandatory, with a fine for violation, everywhere in public, both indoors and outdoors, even if you can social distance. Indoor gatherings limited to 10 people and 25 outdoors. All non-essential businesses must close by 9:30 PM (just about everything except for hospitals) and curfew in place (with fines for violations) between 10 PM and 5 AM.

Here is hoping that today’s news of an effective vaccine are real?

Yes, and we have a great governor,Republican Charlie Baker a REAL LEADER that everyone respects. Everyone I see is cooperative , masks in every store. No whining about wearing a mask. Hope Golfcoast stays there.

tvbound
11-09-2020, 11:16 AM
'Flock' immunity is an unattainable goal for a country this large, but there are plenty who seem to want to try anyway.

Gulfcoast
11-09-2020, 11:18 AM
Nothing more motivating than lining governments pockets. It’s all about money.

Money, greed, control and power over others. It's sickening.

Villageswimmer
11-09-2020, 12:01 PM
Never really understood the limit 10 people? It only takes one to spread to another and another ect.........

I think it’s a measure of risk reduction as opposed to risk elimination. Also, it’s a bit easier to enforce. Maybe.

Villageswimmer
11-09-2020, 12:05 PM
Have said things in the past to both Winn Dixie manager and Publix manager. Have not gotten a response that indicates they can consistently take care of the problems. One check out lady told me they are not allowed to say anything to anyone about wearing a mask? Publix is definitely not following through on the company policy even with some employees.

Very unfortunate. Publix has always had such a good reputation for concern for their employees.

Gulfcoast
11-09-2020, 12:42 PM
Yes, and we have a great governor,Republican Charlie Baker a REAL LEADER that everyone respects. Everyone I see is cooperative , masks in every store. No whining about wearing a mask. Hope Golfcoast stays there.

Your state sounds really awful. And I mean really bad. I wouldn't go there if you paid me and gave me a free house. Rest assured, there is pretty much zero chance that I would be coming to your state.

Hopeful2
11-09-2020, 04:30 PM
I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.

Newsflash - your constitutional rights are not absolute! Your rights end when they infringe upon the rights of another to be safe. Just as you can not smoke indoors in public places; you can not yell fire in a crowded room when there is none; you can not drive a car without a license; you can not operate a vehicle when intoxicated; etc., etc., etc.

People refusing to wear a mask may as well put a sign on their forehead saying - "I don't give a #h%* about you," because that is clearly what they're saying.

And yes, I am an expert on Constitutional Law.

Art cov
11-09-2020, 05:38 PM
They don’t live what they preach! It’s a fact but we don’t matter so they put on a show, and want to demand their regulations on us. Don’t dare violate their rules! Or else

bluedivergirl
11-09-2020, 05:57 PM
Newsflash - your constitutional rights are not absolute! Your rights end when they infringe upon the rights of another to be safe. Just as you can not smoke indoors in public places; you can not yell fire in a crowded room when there is none; you can not drive a car without a license; you can not operate a vehicle when intoxicated; etc., etc., etc.

People refusing to wear a mask may as well put a sign on their forehead saying - "I don't give a #h%* about you," because that is clearly what they're saying.

And yes, I am an expert on Constitutional Law.

The driving analogy doesn't work. Driving is not a right. It is a privilege.

Can't smoke indoors doesn't work either. There is not a constitutional right to smoke anything.

The only one that works is yelling Fire! in a theater. First amendment.

I am surprised a constitutional law expert does not understand that.

Velvet
11-09-2020, 06:20 PM
OP, I’m still giggling on your first post. Well put.

coffeebean
11-09-2020, 08:36 PM
I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.

Have you actually read or heard that the mask mandates he plans is for outdoors even when social distancing can be maintained? That does not seem necessary. Personally, I will not be wearing a mask when outdoors and no one is anywhere near me. That is just unrealistic to expect people who are exercising outdoors such as jogging, to wear a mask when no one is around them.

I'm a huge proponent of mask wearing indoors in public but never have worn a mask outdoors when I'm not close to anyone.

coffeebean
11-09-2020, 08:38 PM
Never really understood the limit 10 people? It only takes one to spread to another and another ect.........

Much easier to contact trace and let everyone be aware they have been exposed to the virus. That is the only reason I can come up with.

Kilmacowen
11-09-2020, 09:17 PM
Your state sounds really awful. And I mean really bad. I wouldn't go there if you paid me and gave me a free house. Rest assured, there is pretty much zero chance that I would be coming to your state.

I was referring to you staying on the gulf coast and not come to TV. Unlike you I live in TV and Ma. You don't live here , have never even been here, so why are you even on this site? Trolling

Hopeful2
11-10-2020, 02:15 AM
The driving analogy doesn't work. Driving is not a right. It is a privilege.

Can't smoke indoors doesn't work either. There is not a constitutional right to smoke anything.

The only one that works is yelling Fire! in a theater. First amendment.

I am surprised a constitutional law expert does not understand that.

Your understanding of the Constitution is very rudimentary.
Our government has the power to limit individuals' freedom under certain circumstances. Citizens are not free to do whatever they want if government regulations or laws are put into place prohibiting such actions. (Hence, the few simplistic examples I cited - unlicensed driving; intoxication while driving a motor vehicle; smoking where prohibited; inciting unfounded fear and chaos; etc.) The Supreme Court of the United States has long upheld the principal that virtually no constitutional rights are absolute. Most fundamental constitutional rights are protected by the legal concept of "strict scrutiny" but can also be regulated to achieve a “compelling governmental interest.” In addition, the Supreme Court has also found that constitutional rights can be regulated for an even less pressing reason - demanding only a “sufficiently important interest.” I have no doubt that a government regulation calling for masks would, at a minimum, meet the threshold of a "sufficiently important government interest".

I'd be happy to discuss the Constitution with you in greater detail.

Pettys1
11-10-2020, 09:28 AM
Then you have a right not to go to those stores just like they have they right to go . You wear your mask don't worry bout what someone else is doing

Pettys1
11-10-2020, 09:45 AM
Newsflash - your constitutional rights are not absolute! Your rights end when they infringe upon the rights of another to be safe. Just as you can not smoke indoors in public places; you can not yell fire in a crowded room when there is none; you can not drive a car without a license; you can not operate a vehicle when intoxicated; etc., etc., etc.

People refusing to wear a mask may as well put a sign on their forehead saying - "I don't give a #h%* about you," because that is clearly what they're saying.

And yes, I am an expert on Constitutional Law.
You have no idea what people are saying if they don't wear a mask. If someone suffers from COPD to wear a mask makes it harder for them to breathe. For those who suffer from asthma could make them have an attack. For those who are claustrophobic it puts them in a panic. So you say well they should just stay home. Why? Maybe you should stay home in your bubble. People have the right to live. But I'm sure most of you would like those who impose on your " mask" wearing binge would rather not have people like this in society. In your eyes they have no right to even live.

coffeebean
11-10-2020, 09:54 AM
Then you have a right not to go to those stores just like they have they right to go . You wear your mask don't worry bout what someone else is doing

Spoken by someone who honestly does not understand the reason why everyone should wear a mask.

guitarguy
11-10-2020, 10:05 AM
People without a mask may have been through COVID and recovered. They are no danger. Why be angry with them for wearing no mask?
What will happen as we start taking a vaccine? Will some still expect them to wear a mask?

Number 10 GI
11-10-2020, 11:10 AM
Your understanding of the Constitution is very rudimentary.
Our government has the power to limit individuals' freedom under certain circumstances. Citizens are not free to do whatever they want if government regulations or laws are put into place prohibiting such actions. (Hence, the few simplistic examples I cited - unlicensed driving; intoxication while driving a motor vehicle; smoking where prohibited; inciting unfounded fear and chaos; etc.) The Supreme Court of the United States has long upheld the principal that virtually no constitutional rights are absolute. Most fundamental constitutional rights are protected by the legal concept of "strict scrutiny" but can also be regulated to achieve a “compelling governmental interest.” In addition, the Supreme Court has also found that constitutional rights can be regulated for an even less pressing reason - demanding only a “sufficiently important interest.” I have no doubt that a government regulation calling for masks would, at a minimum, meet the threshold of a "sufficiently important government interest".

I'd be happy to discuss the Constitution with you in greater detail.

So in other words the Amendments mean nothing if the government decides it wants to curtail a certain activity.

Zum befehl, Seig Heil!

coffeebean
11-10-2020, 03:31 PM
People without a mask may have been through COVID and recovered. They are no danger. Why be angry with them for wearing no mask?
What will happen as we start taking a vaccine? Will some still expect them to wear a mask?

Every time I see someone without a mask I think they must have already had the virus and recovered. I try to believe the best of people. Having said that, I know that is a pipe dream with most people but I say nothing to no one.

Gulfcoast
11-10-2020, 05:14 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I think that these masks are unsanitary and unhealthy for people (like retail workers) to be wearing for hours on end. There have been studies showing that wearing these masks increases the rate of respiratory infections because bacteria builds up and breeds in those masks over time.

I do not expect another human being to put their own health at risk to protect mine. If I want to feel safe I will avoid crowds, keep a distance from other people and wear a mask as I deem appropriate. I know that is not a popular opinion here. But that is my view on the subject.

PugMom
11-10-2020, 07:28 PM
Every time I see someone without a mask I think they must have already had the virus and recovered. I try to believe the best of people. Having said that, I know that is a pipe dream with most people but I say nothing to no one.

i am guilty of not wearing masks. but i really don't want to make you, or anyone else, sick. i stand almost 10 feet away, don't cough, sneeze or even breathe on anyone. in a store aisle, i will let you go first so you don't need to cross my path. i understand there are some who disagree, but to be honest to you, it's general fatigue. we've been @ this so long, --@ some point certain people will respond in a negative way. i was @ 3 superspreader events. thousands of sweaty screaming people packed in like sardines & i didnt get sick, thank God. i must've been exposed to something similar before, or was exposed & have immunity, i'm not sure.

Art cov
11-10-2020, 11:47 PM
Yes, if he sticks to it, restaurant’s will be closed. Another said if they get their way, America will be changed. But we can have hope that it won’t happen! Yet. O in some states they are limiting the quantity of purchases, with uncertainty folks maybe stocking up on supplies.

Velvet
11-11-2020, 12:02 AM
i am guilty of not wearing masks. but i really don't want to make you, or anyone else, sick. i stand almost 10 feet away, don't cough, sneeze or even breathe on anyone. in a store aisle, i will let you go first so you don't need to cross my path. i understand there are some who disagree, but to be honest to you, it's general fatigue. we've been @ this so long, --@ some point certain people will respond in a negative way. i was @ 3 superspreader events. thousands of sweaty screaming people packed in like sardines & i didnt get sick, thank God. i must've been exposed to something similar before, or was exposed & have immunity, i'm not sure.

I hope you are right, and your good health and good luck may continue.

OrangeBlossomBaby
11-11-2020, 08:04 AM
I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.

You have the right to congregate. You have the right to breathe. You do NOT have the right to congregate in close-quarter crowds. You do NOT have the right to breathe ON other people. Those are privileges that can be granted or removed as needed, to secure or increase the safety and well-being of #WeThePeople.

A national mask mandate will not likely be forthcoming, UNLESS the mandate is for all businesses that choose to open to the public and require masks on their customers, be required to provide masks to those customers if they ask for them.

OrangeBlossomBaby
11-11-2020, 08:07 AM
People without a mask may have been through COVID and recovered. They are no danger. Why be angry with them for wearing no mask?
What will happen as we start taking a vaccine? Will some still expect them to wear a mask?

There's this really amazing, unusual, fantastical thing called civilization. You might have heard of it - maybe not.

Thing is, when "people who don't WANT to wear masks but should" (that specific group of people) see a bunch of "people who don't NEED to wear masks anymore" (that specific group of people) not wearing masks, they don't know that the second group don't need to wear masks. They only know that they aren't wearing them.

And so they think "wow - masks aren't needed anymore, and I don't want to wear mine, so I'll take mine off!"

It's sort of the opposite of herd immunity. It's herd stupidity. And it's infectious.

coffeebean
11-11-2020, 09:00 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I think that these masks are unsanitary and unhealthy for people (like retail workers) to be wearing for hours on end. There have been studies showing that wearing these masks increases the rate of respiratory infections because bacteria builds up and breeds in those masks over time.

I do not expect another human being to put their own health at risk to protect mine. If I want to feel safe I will avoid crowds, keep a distance from other people and wear a mask as I deem appropriate. I know that is not a popular opinion here. But that is my view on the subject.

I do not have to wear a mask all day for any reason so I am not personally affected by the possibility of becoming ill from wearing a mask for long periods of time. Having said that, I would certainly keep a box of the disposable masks handy so I could change the mask before it becomes very wet from my own breath. That is a quite simple solution for anyone who is prone to respiratory infections. It really is a "no brainer".

coffeebean
11-11-2020, 11:04 AM
Then you have a right not to go to those stores just like they have they right to go . You wear your mask don't worry bout what someone else is doing
Funny how scientists and epidemiologists worry about what someone else is doing. They are safeguarding public health. Do you grasp that concept?

coffeebean
11-11-2020, 11:10 AM
You have no idea what people are saying if they don't wear a mask. If someone suffers from COPD to wear a mask makes it harder for them to breathe. For those who suffer from asthma could make them have an attack. For those who are claustrophobic it puts them in a panic. So you say well they should just stay home. Why? Maybe you should stay home in your bubble. People have the right to live. But I'm sure most of you would like those who impose on your " mask" wearing binge would rather not have people like this in society. In your eyes they have no right to even live.
Folks with respiratory conditions would be better off staying home to protect themselves. It is those folks who do not fair very well when they contract COVID.

Gulfcoast
11-11-2020, 12:26 PM
You have the right to congregate. You have the right to breathe. You do NOT have the right to congregate in close-quarter crowds. You do NOT have the right to breathe ON other people. Those are privileges that can be granted or removed as needed, to secure or increase the safety and well-being of #WeThePeople.

A national mask mandate will not likely be forthcoming, UNLESS the mandate is for all businesses that choose to open to the public and require masks on their customers, be required to provide masks to those customers if they ask for them.

I disagree with you. I was on a cruise ship during the last week before cruise lines were forced to shut down. It was awesome, we had a blast, ate in dining rooms packed full of people, attended concerts, sat shoulder to shoulder laughing with other customers...it was fun and relaxing and we all survived just fine. We got home and suddenly going to the store was "risky".

All of this Clorox, sterilized, 10 foot pole distancing is stressful and not particularly helpful because people are still getting this virus and the vast majority are experiencing mild cold symptoms if that. This has been a psychological experiment in government control more than anything else.

Art cov
11-12-2020, 07:14 PM
I disagree with you. I was on a cruise ship during the last week before cruise lines were forced to shut down. It was awesome, we had a blast, ate in dining rooms packed full of people, attended concerts, sat shoulder to shoulder laughing with other customers...it was fun and relaxing and we all survived just fine. We got home and suddenly going to the store was "risky".

All of this Clorox, sterilized, 10 foot pole distancing is stressful and not particularly helpful because people are still getting this virus and the vast majority are experiencing mild cold symptoms if that. This has been a psychological experiment in government control more than anything else.
This is the start, they are learning to control people. Communism, socialism may take over our country without taking a shot! Have we not heard that for many years? They never need to fire the first shot, just let half the population believe the propaganda of media. Teach in schools how wrong absolutes are and humanism and the other ism’s and in 50 years the great USA is in deep do do! Do you think there’s a difference in the basic teachings of the 1950’s and 1960’s compared to 2020. I remember quite well infractions back in the 1960’s schools were chewing gum, running in hallways, clowning around, interrupting in class but now in 2020 murder, rape, gang fighting is just a few. What will it look like in 2070? Forget it! What if the government declares no one can go on airplanes, or in theater’s, restaurants, ect without the COVID vaccine. Just a thought as some officials are already pondering this and many other ideas. Get your supplies because another shutdown is coming! Restaurant’s, airlines, and many businesses won’t survive if a leader doesn’t handle the situation correctly! Many believe we should try the socialist way! The take over of America without firing a shot!!!!!!

Gulfcoast
11-12-2020, 08:04 PM
This is the start, they are learning to control people. Communism, socialism may take over our country without taking a shot! Have we not heard that for many years? They never need to fire the first shot, just let half the population believe the propaganda of media. Teach in schools how wrong absolutes are and humanism and the other ism’s and in 50 years the great USA is in deep do do! Do you think there’s a difference in the basic teachings of the 1950’s and 1960’s compared to 2020. I remember quite well infractions back in the 1960’s schools were chewing gum, running in hallways, clowning around, interrupting in class but now in 2020 murder, rape, gang fighting is just a few. What will it look like in 2070? Forget it! What if the government declares no one can go on airplanes, or in theater’s, restaurants, ect without the COVID vaccine. Just a thought as some officials are already pondering this and many other ideas. Get your supplies because another shutdown is coming! Restaurant’s, airlines, and many businesses won’t survive if a leader doesn’t handle the situation correctly! Many believe we should try the socialist way! The take over of America without firing a shot!!!!!!

They are ruthless and they targeted this scam with laser focus at the elderly who become more prone to falling for scams as they age. They are robbing them of their golden years and precious time spent with loved ones.

The older generation grew up in a time when the media had some integrity and professional standards. They grew up in a time when they could take it for granted that politicians were largely looking out for our country and respected our constitutional rights. When an authority issued a dire warning it meant something. Back then it did mean something.

Today fearmongering is the name of the game. Anything for control.

Paper1
11-12-2020, 08:48 PM
I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.
I’m sure you’d feel differently if your taxes were going up to pay the cost of this virus instead passing it on to our grandchildren. $2 mask would look a lot better, just saying.

Gulfcoast
11-12-2020, 09:25 PM
I’m sure you’d feel differently if your taxes were going up to pay the cost of this virus instead passing it on to our grandchildren. $2 mask would look a lot better, just saying.

I am by far much more concerned by the consequences that all of these lock downs and mask mandates, quarantines and contact tracing will have on our future generations. Add in the potential for a vaccine mandate and the future does not look too bright for this country. The precedent being set in 2020 does not bode well for our children and grandchildren Which is why we need to put a swift end to this nonsense now.

stanley
11-12-2020, 10:18 PM
Today fearmongering is the name of the game. Anything for control.

Emphasis on "control"

Bay Kid
11-13-2020, 08:16 AM
I am by far much more concerned by the consequences that all of these lock downs and mask mandates, quarantines and contact tracing will have on our future generations. Add in the potential for a vaccine mandate and the future does not look too bright for this country. The precedent being set in 2020 does not bode well for our children and grandchildren Which is why we need to put a swift end to this nonsense now.

Not to worry. The government will take care of us. They will keep taking care of us until they have total control of all. No worries.

graciegirl
11-13-2020, 11:34 AM
Older Adults and COVID-19 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/older-adults.html)

retiredguy123
11-13-2020, 11:43 AM
Good news for those who have the virus and want to spread it or just want to get it- walmart on wdgewood is not enforcing wearing a mask. Yesterday P.M. i saw families and individuals not wearing masks.
Publix has a "mandatory" mask rule, but their corporate policy is to not enforce it.

Paper1
11-13-2020, 02:44 PM
I am by far much more concerned by the consequences that all of these lock downs and mask mandates, quarantines and contact tracing will have on our future generations. Add in the potential for a vaccine mandate and the future does not look too bright for this country. The precedent being set in 2020 does not bode well for our children and grandchildren Which is why we need to put a swift end to this nonsense now.
My disagreement with you is about wearing masks, I agree with you on long term damage being done by shutting down economy. Although many, maybe you think stories of hospitals being over loaded and bodies being piled up in refrigerator trucks is fake news but I’m all in. Wearing a mask is such a simple and very small sacrifice even if there is only a %50 chance it helps anyone. This rugged American individualism against masks is sad to this writer.
Regards

8notes
11-13-2020, 03:53 PM
Then you have a right not to go to those stores just like they have they right to go . You wear your mask don't worry bout what someone else is doing

It doesn't work that way. By not wearing a mask, they are violating company policy and endangering public health. Everyone has to shop for food. Its a necessity. That said, if a store is not enforcing its policy, and there are people stupid, selfish and self entitled enough to wander around without masks in the store, I'd opt for grocery delivery or the free pickup that Walmart offers.

Velvet
11-13-2020, 07:08 PM
If you are wearing N95 (Niosh certified) mask you are protecting yourself too. But I still skidaddle out of there after 15 minutes. Precise, fast, efficient shopping if in person.

Villagerjjm
11-14-2020, 09:34 PM
I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.

Are shoes and shirts required in Restaurants??

Advogado
11-14-2020, 11:28 PM
North Dakota just became the 35th state to implement a state-wide mask mandate. Masks will become mandatory here, sooner or later. It is just a question of whether thousands of Floridians will unnecessarily die before our politicians (either state or county) muster the political courage to do the right thing.

EdFNJ
11-14-2020, 11:54 PM
North Dakota just became the 35th state to implement a state-wide mask mandate. Masks will become mandatory here, sooner or later. It is just a question of whether thousands of Floridians will unnecessarily die before our politicians (either state or county) muster the political courage to do the right thing. Even with Florida's 9% positivity rate and rising with a bullet there is a much chance of the gov of this state doing that as there is the current "leader" of the country doing that ...... ie. not a chance in h3ll.

Oh, going back to the OP it has just been announced that PUBLIX, COSTCO, WALMART and a few others will once again begin limiting the number of people in the store to (IIRC 20%). And here we go again. Perfect timing for The Villages to open the squares without limit. Bahhhh, Hopefully that won't last long either because when all the "young'uns" come down here for T'Giving to see Grammy and Grampy and dance the night away to Rocky and the Elders things certainly will go from bad to worse. Absolutely BRILLIANT move by T.V. (NOT!).

coffeebean
11-15-2020, 06:43 AM
Even with Florida's 9% positivity rate and rising with a bullet there is a much chance of the gov of this state doing that as there is the current "leader" of the country doing that ...... ie. not a chance in h3ll.

Oh, going back to the OP it has just been announced that PUBLIX, COSTCO, WALMART and a few others will once again begin limiting the number of people in the store to (IIRC 20%). And here we go again. Perfect timing for The Villages to open the squares without limit. Bahhhh, Hopefully that won't last long either because when all the "young'uns" come down here for T'Giving to see Grammy and Grampy and dance the night away to Rocky and the Elders things certainly will go from bad to worse. Absolutely BRILLIANT move by T.V. (NOT!).

I just started another thread about empty shelves in Publix and Target. THIS must be the reason for the hoarding once again.

Anti CDC guidelines folks do not realize the negative impact we all are experiencing because they refuse to mitigate the virus and slow the spread. We are once again having to endure limits in essential businesses. Who knows what will be next? Cities across the US are imposing curfews and lock downs.

What is it going to take for these folks who will not abide by CDC guidelines to do their part? Every day, these people are putting people and the economy at risk. When will they realize their stance on masks and social distancing is what is causing this havoc in our country?

I want our old lives back. Everyone should do their part to slow the spread of this virus. WEAR A MASK AND KEEP YOUR DISTANCE FROM OTHERS............PLEASE!

Lindsyburnsy
11-15-2020, 11:02 AM
Constitution? Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you submit to a search if asked to, at the airport? Rules, laws and policies are put in place for a reason. Sometimes there are consequences when they are not followed. Why is it asking too much to put on a mask?

dhdallas
11-16-2020, 11:23 AM
Good news for those who have the virus and want to spread it or just want to get it- walmart on wdgewood is not enforcing wearing a mask. Yesterday P.M. i saw families and individuals not wearing masks.

Nobody cares! Hide at home if you need to.

Dana1963
11-16-2020, 11:37 AM
Good news for those who have the virus and want to spread it or just want to get it- walmart on wdgewood is not enforcing wearing a mask. Yesterday P.M. i saw families and individuals not wearing masks.
We might never get out to normal soon.
Norwegian Cruise Line, Carnival, and Royal Caribbean all announced on Monday that they will be canceling trips into 2021. Cruise ships won't be setting sail in U.S. waters until next year, as major cruise lines continue to postpone their itineraries due to the COVID-19 pandemic.Nov 3, 2020

graciegirl
11-16-2020, 11:46 AM
Nothing more motivating than lining governments pockets. It’s all about money.

I think that is an exaggeration to say anyone would expect someone to wear a mask in their own home. I cannot see how being careful is "lining government pockets". I do not see that any guidelines directed to stop a serious illness is a violation of anyone's constitutional rights. I remember Polio. I remember being quarantined indoors with a sign on the door with childhood diseases. We lived through those restrictions. We never questioned them.

Until we get a vaccine, which will be much sooner than many hoped, it is wise to be careful and wear a mask when you are around anyone who is not a family member of your household. You can be a long time DEAD.

On the other hand, I don't see how a change of administrations will really make much difference in the spread of this disease. Some people will not do anything they are told to do.

Velvet
11-16-2020, 01:02 PM
I wore my mask at home, when I flew back north in March. We didn’t know much about the virus those days so I wore my mask all the time for the sake of hubby and slept in a different section of the house for 2 weeks. I wanted to take no chances and we had peace of mind. The mask did not bother me at all, it was the same as wearing socks.

coffeebean
11-16-2020, 01:23 PM
We might never get out to normal soon.
Norwegian Cruise Line, Carnival, and Royal Caribbean all announced on Monday that they will be canceling trips into 2021. Cruise ships won't be setting sail in U.S. waters until next year, as major cruise lines continue to postpone their itineraries due to the COVID-19 pandemic.Nov 3, 2020

I will not be cruising until hubby and I are vaccinated. Just heard this moring the Moderna vaccine has a 94.5% efficacy. Sign me up!!!

coffeebean
11-17-2020, 05:40 AM
Then you have a right not to go to those stores just like they have they right to go . You wear your mask don't worry bout what someone else is doing

How about all these latest lock downs and curfews that cities are having to go through AGAIN. Why is that happening? Because too many people do not comply with CDC guidelines and wear a mask and social distance. Our epidemiology experts have been pleading with the American people to wear masks and keep our distance from others and not to congregate in large groups. If people would only be compliant, lock downs would not be necessary.

These lock downs will be another "hit" to the economy thanks to all of those people who refuse to wear masks in public indoor spaces and keep their distance from others.

coffeebean
11-17-2020, 05:54 AM
I disagree with you. I was on a cruise ship during the last week before cruise lines were forced to shut down. It was awesome, we had a blast, ate in dining rooms packed full of people, attended concerts, sat shoulder to shoulder laughing with other customers...it was fun and relaxing and we all survived just fine. We got home and suddenly going to the store was "risky".

All of this Clorox, sterilized, 10 foot pole distancing is stressful and not particularly helpful because people are still getting this virus and the vast majority are experiencing mild cold symptoms if that. This has been a psychological experiment in government control more than anything else.
I can only assume you were not on that sick Princess ship. If no one on the cruise ship you were on had Covid, then of course, everyone on that ship was free to have a great time as you described. Problem is.......you just don't know who may be carrying the virus because of pre-symyptomatic and asymptomatic carriers. Another unknown is that you do not know how many of your fellow passengers became sick once they got off the ship you were on. Who knows....passengers may have contracted the virus when they were in port then got back on the ship not knowing they were infected. That is how this vicious virus works.

I'm one of the many people who love to cruise. I miss it and welcome the time when stepping on a cruise ship will not possibly make me sick and die of Covid. I also want to be able to step on a cruise ship and not have to wear a mask and social distance from my fellow passengers. How is this going to happen? Follow CDC guidelines until our population can become immune with the vaccine. That is how. I can wait.

Timothyimitchell
11-17-2020, 07:01 AM
Live your life! Masks do not work.

Lindsyburnsy
11-17-2020, 07:28 AM
Unfortunately, what others do can impact me and if you get sick, the heathcare workers who are already exhausted have to care for you. I think they should exercize their right and not take care of you if you chose to not wear a mask. We hv to protect each other. Why is this so difficult to understand? It’s your right to go or not go to a store. However if you go to the store wear a mask. Then you have a right not to go to those stores just like they have they right to go . You wear your mask don't worry bout what someone else is doing

biker1
11-17-2020, 07:38 AM
There are a few problems with your suggestion, not the least of which is that is not how they operate and how would anyone know if you were wearing a mask or not when you became infected. Remember, a large number of healthcare workers have become infected and they are using PPE. Many, but not all, stores require face masks. Don't frequent those stores what don't require face masks. Masks are not binary - you can become infected while wearing a mask and many people who wear masks are not wearing them correctly. With one exception, the vast majority of people are wearing masks inside stores/facilities that I have been to.

Unfortunately, what others do can impact me and if you get sick, the heathcare workers who are already exhausted have to care for you. I think they should exercize their right and not take care of you if you chose to not wear a mask. We hv to protect each other. Why is this so difficult to understand? It’s your right to go or not go to a store. However if you go to the store wear a mask.

Swoop
11-17-2020, 08:01 AM
Very different approach up north in Massachusetts. 14 day quarantine for anyone coming to the state, unless coming from one of 6 designated low risk states. Masks are mandatory, with a fine for violation, everywhere in public, both indoors and outdoors, even if you can social distance. Indoor gatherings limited to 10 people and 25 outdoors. All non-essential businesses must close by 9:30 PM (just about everything except for hospitals) and curfew in place (with fines for violations) between 10 PM and 5 AM.

Here is hoping that today’s news of an effective vaccine are real?

And yet with all those restrictions, the number of new positive cases in Massachusetts is spiking. In fact, based on their population, they are spiking at a rate that is much higher than Florida, despite all those restrictions...

YouNeverKnow
11-17-2020, 09:26 AM
And yet with all those restrictions, the number of new positive cases in Massachusetts is spiking. In fact, based on their population, they are spiking at a rate that is much higher than Florida, despite all those restrictions...
Could it be because it’s cold now in Massachusetts 40 during the day 20 degrees at night) and more people are gathering inside which has been show to transmit the virus much more easier than outside. (Maybe not following the 10 person limit or mask wearing because who can enforce everyone?) Since the weather is now beautiful in Florida people can gather outside. Just wondering.....

Advogado
11-17-2020, 09:34 AM
The number of anti-mask posts on this site illustrate why our County Commission must adopt a mask requirement before our hospitals are overrun and more Floridians unnecessarily die. Thirty-five states and a number of Florida counties have already done this. Does Your State Have a Mask Mandate Due to Coronavirus? (https://www.aarp.org/health/healthy-living/info-2020/states-mask-mandates-coronavirus.html) Beyond the veil: What mask requirements are in place in Florida? (https://floridapolitics.com/archives/342364-beyond-the-veil-what-face-mask-requirements-are-in-place-in-florida)

thelegges
11-17-2020, 09:36 AM
Say December 10 you get vaccinated, first inoculation then weeks later you get your second inoculation. When do you feel safe after the second one that your life will somewhat go back to normal? Maybe month, will it be six months, will be a year.
My biggest concern is this everybody’s waiting for the vaccine and they’re expecting that will change their life. Soon as they are vaccinated, will you Go on a cruise, out to dinner, shopping, visit family.

Think about all of the years that the flu vaccine has been out you have a small percentage are anaphylactic to the vaccine, a percentage that just don’t take the vaccine. A percentage that still gets the flu because the strain has changed. Then you have the percentage of deaths, even though they took the flu vaccine.

So after your vaccine, when will you change your lifestyle, that you have adapted for the last 6 months. Just curious as too how long before you feel the vaccine will keep you safe.

I may have missed what the two drug companies have said when it’s vaccine capabilities will be immediate, take weeks, months, to protect the 90-94% rate.

Bill14564
11-17-2020, 09:48 AM
Say December 10 you get vaccinated, first inoculation then weeks later you get your second inoculation. When do you feel safe after the second one that your life will somewhat go back to normal? Maybe month, will it be six months, will be a year.
My biggest concern is this everybody’s waiting for the vaccine and they’re expecting that will change their life. Soon as they are vaccinated, will you Go on a cruise, out to dinner, shopping, visit family.

Think about all of the years that the flu vaccine has been out you have a small percentage are anaphylactic to the vaccine, a percentage that just don’t take the vaccine. A percentage that still gets the flu because the strain has changed. Then you have the percentage of deaths, even though they took the flu vaccine.

So after your vaccine, when will you change your lifestyle, that you have adapted for the last 6 months. Just curious as too how long before you feel the vaccine will keep you safe.

I may have missed what the two drug companies have said when it’s vaccine capabilities will be immediate, take weeks, months, to protect the 90-94% rate.

I think the question will be less of when I will feel comfortable returning to normal and more of when the Govt will allow us to return to normal.

Far too many people asking the Govt to interfere with our lives right now. Far too many Governors getting a taste of power who won't want to let it go. If keeping restrictions in place can save just one life.....

I will feel comfortable living my life without concern for my own safety when the vaccinations begin, probably even before getting one for myself. At the latest, I would feel comfortable a week after getting mine.

However, I will still feel concern for the safety of those around me and because of this, I will likely continue to wear a mask for a few months. I don't know if the vaccinations protect against spreading the virus or only becoming sick so since I might still be able to spread it I would continue to wear a mask until more of the population is safe.

PugMom
11-17-2020, 11:42 AM
They are ruthless and they targeted this scam with laser focus at the elderly who become more prone to falling for scams as they age. They are robbing them of their golden years and precious time spent with loved ones.

The older generation grew up in a time when the media had some integrity and professional standards. They grew up in a time when they could take it for granted that politicians were largely looking out for our country and respected our constitutional rights. When an authority issued a dire warning it meant something. Back then it did mean something.

Today fearmongering is the name of the game. Anything for control.

:clap2:

Garywt
11-17-2020, 03:56 PM
I'm sorry but those rules are absolutely asinine. How on earth is that not a violation of constitutional rights? I've heard that a certain someone wants to make mask wearing mandatory nationwide - both indoors and outdoors. People not in compliance will face stiff fines. Pretty soon we'll be sunbathing and swimming in the ocean with masks slapped on our faces.

Constitutional rights don’t really exist during a pandemic or state of emergency. We are currently facing another full shut down as the numbers are going up. Everyone has let their guard down and just stopped caring about mankind.

Joe V.
11-17-2020, 04:14 PM
Constitutional rights don’t really exist during a pandemic or state of emergency. We are currently facing another full shut down as the numbers are going up. Everyone has let their guard down and just stopped caring about mankind.

Really? Constitutional rights don't really exist during a pandemic? Where is the state of emergency declared? Gimme a break.

Dana1963
11-17-2020, 04:39 PM
:clap2:
The Covid Virus isn't that bad why waste BILLIONS on a Vaccine for a 99% survival rate.

Garywt
11-17-2020, 05:40 PM
State of emergencies were called back in March. It is an easy choice, rights or no rights you can be part of the solution or park of the problem. I for one would like this to be over and not go on forever but some think they are better than that and wish this to go on for years.

Joe V.
11-17-2020, 06:06 PM
State of emergencies were called back in March. It is an easy choice, rights or no rights you can be part of the solution or park of the problem. I for one would like this to be over and not go on forever but some think they are better than that and wish this to go on for years.


We live in FL. There is no state of emergency in FL. Even if you want it to be so. And you are a mind reader too! Amazing you know that some people wish this to go on for years.

coffeebean
11-17-2020, 06:34 PM
Live your life! Masks do not work.

Of course masks work. You are either not informed or in denial.

coffeebean
11-17-2020, 06:39 PM
There are a few problems with your suggestion, not the least of which is that is not how they operate and how would anyone know if you were wearing a mask or not when you became infected. Remember, a large number of healthcare workers have become infected and they are using PPE. Many, but not all, stores require face masks. Don't frequent those stores what don't require face masks. Masks are not binary - you can become infected while wearing a mask and many people who wear masks are not wearing them correctly. With one exception, the vast majority of people are wearing masks inside stores/facilities that I have been to.

Masks minimize the risk of contracting Covid. Masks do not prevent Covid transmission. That information has been very well relayed to the public.

It is up to each and every citizen of this United States to do their part to slow the spread of the virus. The way to do that is to wear a mask indoors in public spaces, social distance always, do not congregate in large crowds and wear a mask outdoors when social distancing can not be maintained.

Accidental1
11-17-2020, 06:47 PM
We live in FL. There is no state of emergency in FL. Even if you want it to be so. And you are a mind reader too! Amazing you know that some people wish this to go on for years.

Please take a look at this:

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-276.pdf

I believe your statement about "no state of emergency in FL" isn't accurate

Joe V.
11-17-2020, 08:43 PM
Please take a look at this:

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-276.pdf

I believe your statement about "no state of emergency in FL" isn't accurate

I stand corrected. I was not aware it was extended. However, this order does not require a wearing of masks in public. Even if it did it would require a law passed by the FL legislature to make it a crime to not wear a mask to be enforceable. Private business is free to impose rules on their property which I agree is proper.

I also saw DeSantis today said there will be no shut downs in FL.

Topspinmo
11-17-2020, 09:28 PM
Bottom line for me? I Wear mask indoors when around people where required or When close to people. I avoid strange people like the have a plague. Which some may have? Who know where they been or in contact with?

This not going to be over for some time, having stupid games/events where people get crowded close together is stupid. It’s not going to stop till people stay away from each other.

Another super spreader right around corner, thanksgiving, what oxymoron. People traveling all over just starting it all over again. Bottom line stay away form people and stay home. I feel sorry for medical workers they not going catch break for quit some time and some have bailed out and can’t take it anymore.

EdFNJ
11-18-2020, 12:11 AM
I stand corrected. I was not aware it was extended. However, this order does not require a wearing of masks in public. Even if it did it would require a law passed by the FL legislature to make it a crime to not wear a mask to be enforceable. Private business is free to impose rules on their property which I agree is proper.

I also saw DeSantis today said there will be no shut downs in FL. Ronny D says a lot of things like when he laughed at NY and said "no problems here in FL" right before his first shutdown. Look what just happened in Iowa .... another sycophant who suddenly changed her mind, and Texas and North Dakota and Ohio and Indiana ...... wait till everyone comes down here for the holidays ...... better a mask than a respirator.

thelegges
11-18-2020, 04:30 AM
Another super spreader right around corner, thanksgiving, what oxymoron. People traveling all over just starting it all over again. Bottom line stay away form people and stay home. I feel sorry for medical workers they not going catch break for quit some time and some have bailed out and can’t take it anymore.

Feel sorry for the medical workers that have been furloughed since March, used all sick and vacation time, and have no ability to pay for healthcare.

In MI on Monday when Governor shut down again, what healthcare workers that were brought back mid June were furloughed again, this week. All over the US there are thousands of healthcare workers trying to find a way to put food on their table, just like all the people who have lost their jobs due to closure of their livelihood

biker1
11-18-2020, 06:17 AM
We all know that. You don't have to keep repeating the same thing over and over and over and over again as if you have some special insight (you don't) and also repeating something I already stated. Most people are doing their part. The fact that you don't think that people are doing their part is your problem. My post was about an inane suggestion that was made (that health care workers should not help some people).

Masks minimize the risk of contracting Covid. Masks do not prevent Covid transmission. That information has been very well relayed to the public.

It is up to each and every citizen of this United States to do their part to slow the spread of the virus. The way to do that is to wear a mask indoors in public spaces, social distance always, do not congregate in large crowds and wear a mask outdoors when social distancing can not be maintained.

coffeebean
11-18-2020, 08:13 AM
We all know that. You don't have to keep repeating the same thing over and over and over and over again as if you have some special insight (you don't) and also repeating something I already stated. Most people are doing their part. The fact that you don't think that people are doing their part is your problem. My post was about an inane suggestion that was made (that health care workers should not help some people).

I do not agree with you that "most people are doing their part". No, they are not. There are too many people in this country who are science deniers and do not follow guidelines to slow the spread of this virus. I will continue to say this, not because I have any special insight as you said, but because our health experts are saying it and have been pleading with the American people to do the right thing. I watch all news sources and do not stick with only one source so I get the balanced view of what is going on in this country.

Cities in our country are locking down again because Americans are not doing their part to slow the spread of this virus. I'm not just talking about our bubble here. I honestly must say, a very high percentage of people in our neck of the woods do, in fact, wear masks when indoors in public spaces.

Just today I read an article about a wedding in Ohio that was a super spreader event. Just in case you do not read the article, this is excerpt from the article......
"Despite the fact that their grandparents were the only ones wearing masks the whole time, they still got sick, Mikayla Bishop said. "They actually wore their mask except for when they were eating their dinner," she told WLWT."

OK....so the grandparents wore masks the entire time EXCEPT for when they were eating. DUH!!!! People can not expect to sit shoulder to shoulder at a dining table with someone or more than one person who unknowingly has the virus and not have a very stong possiblity to contract the virus. Sure, put on the mask before eating and when your done eating. That does no good. People must be distanced from others and I'm sure those folks who sat at the table dining together were not the proper distance away from each other. I see it all the time right here in The Villages when folks congregate at the same dining table at 2, 4, 6 and even 8 tops. Don't tell me those folks are all in the same family. I will never believe that.

Here is the article from a FOX website if you are so inclined to read it.......
Ohio wedding linked to at least 32 coronavirus cases: '''Nobody'''s wearing a mask''' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-32-coronavirus-cases-linked-to-ohio-wedding-nobodys-wearing-a-mask)

Dana1963
11-18-2020, 09:01 AM
I do not agree with you that "most people are doing their part". No, they are not. There are too many people in this country who are science deniers and do not follow guidelines to slow the spread of this virus. I will continue to say this, not because I have any special insight as you said, but because our health experts are saying it and have been pleading with the American people to do the right thing. I watch all news sources and do not stick with only one source so I get the balanced view of what is going on in this country.

Cities in our country are locking down again because Americans are not doing their part to slow the spread of this virus. I'm not just talking about our bubble here. I honestly must say, a very high percentage of people in our neck of the woods do, in fact, wear masks when indoors in public spaces.

Just today I read an article about a wedding in Ohio that was a super spreader event. Just in case you do not read the article, this is excerpt from the article......
"Despite the fact that their grandparents were the only ones wearing masks the whole time, they still got sick, Mikayla Bishop said. "They actually wore their mask except for when they were eating their dinner," she told WLWT."

OK....so the grandparents wore masks the entire time EXCEPT for when they were eating. DUH!!!! People can not expect to sit shoulder to shoulder at a dining table with someone or more than one person who unknowingly has the virus and not have a very stong possiblity to contract the virus. Sure, put on the mask before eating and when your done eating. That does no good. People must be distanced from others and I'm sure those folks who sat at the table dining together were not the proper distance away from each other. I see it all the time right here in The Villages when folks congregate at the same dining table at 2, 4, 6 and even 8 tops. Don't tell me those folks are all in the same family. I will never believe that.

Here is the article from a FOX website if you are so inclined to read it.......
Ohio wedding linked to at least 32 coronavirus cases: '''Nobody'''s wearing a mask''' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-32-coronavirus-cases-linked-to-ohio-wedding-nobodys-wearing-a-mask)
Although not as dramatic The Villages (Sumter, Lake and Marion counties) up 15 for a total of 939 YESTERDAY is there any contract tracing?

biker1
11-18-2020, 09:06 AM
I don't really care whether you agree with me or not. Your opinion is of no value to me. Also, please stop with the "science denier" rhetoric. Those of us who are actually scientists find it absurd when non-scientists, such as yourself, make such claims. My comments were about The Villages, where most people are practicing social distancing and are wearing masks when inside. I can only comment about what I see (behavior in The Villages). I will leave the cherry picking to others, such as yourself, to support their agendas.

I do not agree with you that "most people are doing their part". No, they are not. There are too many people in this country who are science deniers and do not follow guidelines to slow the spread of this virus. I will continue to say this, not because I have any special insight as you said, but because our health experts are saying it and have been pleading with the American people to do the right thing. I watch all news sources and do not stick with only one source so I get the balanced view of what is going on in this country.

Cities in our country are locking down again because Americans are not doing their part to slow the spread of this virus. I'm not just talking about our bubble here. I honestly must say, a very high percentage of people in our neck of the woods do, in fact, wear masks when indoors in public spaces.

Just today I read an article about a wedding in Ohio that was a super spreader event. Just in case you do not read the article, this is excerpt from the article......
"Despite the fact that their grandparents were the only ones wearing masks the whole time, they still got sick, Mikayla Bishop said. "They actually wore their mask except for when they were eating their dinner," she told WLWT."

OK....so the grandparents wore masks the entire time EXCEPT for when they were eating. DUH!!!! People can not expect to sit shoulder to shoulder at a dining table with someone or more than one person who unknowingly has the virus and not have a very stong possiblity to contract the virus. Sure, put on the mask before eating and when your done eating. That does no good. People must be distanced from others and I'm sure those folks who sat at the table dining together were not the proper distance away from each other. I see it all the time right here in The Villages when folks congregate at the same dining table at 2, 4, 6 and even 8 tops. Don't tell me those folks are all in the same family. I will never believe that.

Here is the article from a FOX website if you are so inclined to read it.......
Ohio wedding linked to at least 32 coronavirus cases: '''Nobody'''s wearing a mask''' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-32-coronavirus-cases-linked-to-ohio-wedding-nobodys-wearing-a-mask)

Dana1963
11-18-2020, 09:08 AM
We all know that. You don't have to keep repeating the same thing over and over and over and over again as if you have some special insight (you don't) and also repeating something I already stated. Most people are doing their part. The fact that you don't think that people are doing their part is your problem. My post was about an inane suggestion that was made (that health care workers should not help some people).
We are SCREWED
Florida Legislature: Not our role to contain the coronavirus

biker1
11-18-2020, 09:17 AM
You might be screwed, and with that attitude I wouldn't be surprised if your were, but I can assure you that I am not screwed. And, exactly what is it that you believe the Florida Legislature should be doing about the coronavirus? They are working on dealing with the state financial issues caused by the coronavirus.

We are SCREWED
Florida Legislature: Not our role to contain the coronavirus

Deb H
11-18-2020, 11:33 AM
I moved here from a state with a mask mandate and what goes on here is shocking (I am sure many of you will tell me to move back). I am concerned about the stores here. It seems like many of the independent businesses do not wear masks.

Koapaka
11-18-2020, 11:41 AM
.......why do they choose to use the word "MAY BE EFFECTIVE"? This is in jubilation over the Pfiser Vaccine news today????

As in maybe and maybe not? Maybe "feel free to be our guineapig for instantaneous results on after/side effects......happened before.....check out What'''s happened to Thalidomide babies? - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15536544)

Dana1963
11-18-2020, 11:42 AM
You might be screwed, and with that attitude I wouldn't be surprised if your were, but I can assure you that I am not screwed. And, exactly what is it that you believe the Florida Legislature should be doing about the coronavirus? They are working on dealing with the state financial issues caused by the coronavirus.
Florida State Legislature convened for the first time in 8 months only to swear in new legislators. Facing a 5.4 billion deficit they ajourned