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MDLNB
11-10-2020, 08:11 AM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.

Bogie Shooter
11-10-2020, 08:26 AM
Only so many ways to say yes or no. And all have been said on here 100 times,,,,
:popcorn::popcorn:

MDLNB
11-10-2020, 08:36 AM
Only so many ways to say yes or no. And all have been said on here 100 times,,,,
:popcorn::popcorn:


I don't recall any discussions about wearing a mask AFTER the vaccine is available. Just curious as to whether or not folks will still believe that a mask mandate should be enforced. Not to get into a political discussion, the new reign seems to believe in a mask mandate and I was wondering if anyone thinks it is necessary if a vaccine is available.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
11-10-2020, 08:41 AM
I don't recall any discussions about wearing a mask AFTER the vaccine is available. Just curious as to whether or not folks will still believe that a mask mandate should be enforced. Not to get into a political discussion, the new reign seems to believe in a mask mandate and I was wondering if anyone thinks it is necessary if a vaccine is available.

I seriously doubt that there will be any kind of national mask mandate. First it probably violates states rights. Secondly, who and how would it be enforced? Would the police arrest people who are walking down the street without a mask? I don't know that anyone would want to get involved with that.

I will be happy to get rid on my mask once I get the vaccine. The chances of my getting would be 10% or less and the chances of my giving it to someone else would be even less than that.

The idea of a vaccine is to get us back to normal.

Dana1963
11-10-2020, 08:50 AM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.
Considering it will take 2 doses of the current Pfizer Vaccine. Distribution may be an issue initially, must be shipped and stored in containers at -100 degrees. A sufficient supply may not be available till mid-2021. We will continue to mask and socially distance. Our current circle of friends both in The Villages and Northest have been virus free by following these protocols. Yes we do go out dining.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
11-10-2020, 09:04 AM
Considering it will take 2 doses of the current Pfizer Vaccine. Distribution may be an issue initially, must be shipped and stored in containers at -100 degrees. A sufficient supply may not be available till mid-2021. We will continue to mask and socially distance. Our current circle of friends both in The Villages and Northest have been virus free by following these protocols. Yes we do go out dining.

The question is would you wear your mask AFTER receiving the vaccine? The time that it will take to be distributed is irrelevant. How it is shipped and stored is irrelevant. if it takes two doses you have received the vaccine after you have received your two doses.

So once the vaccine is shipped here and stored at -100 degrees and you have your two doses, whether that is next week, next month or November of 2021, would you continue to wear your mask?

Pettys1
11-10-2020, 09:13 AM
No vaccines an still no mask. Can't get rid of something if your not exposed to it to buildup antibodies

Bill14564
11-10-2020, 09:16 AM
The announcement of a vaccine does not stop the virus. The virus will also not be stopped the day the first vaccinations are given. The virus will only be stopped once a sufficient number of people have developed immunity either through exposure or vaccination.

Given that, I would choose to wear a mask for several months while vaccinations take place. Once several (three, six, nine?) months have passed and the US has had time to develop immunity I will begin to avoid businesses who continue to mandate masks.

Personally, I will never accept wearing masks as a new normal. Masks are only a temporary measure to get us to a vaccine.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
11-10-2020, 09:16 AM
No vaccines an still no mask. Can't get rid of something if your not exposed to it to buildup antibodies

Good luck with that. Why don't you just try to get into a hospital that has some Covid patients, or find someone that is infected and see if you can catch it.

Pairadocs
11-10-2020, 09:28 AM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.

I was surprised at the number of states that have mandatory mask laws, didn't realize we here in Florida are one of the few that do not (along with Missouri and a few of the western states), so I actually expect stricter laws here as the "media" on all channels has been reporting that the new administration will crack down on mask "laws" and such, so my guess would be stronger mask laws everywhere and possibly a nation wide mask law instead of state by state ? I do think it will be a very LONG time until vaccine is widely available, just filling the needs of all the health care field workers will be one challenging job when you think of ALL the people who work in ALL hospitals and clinics, ALL dentist offices, ALL EMT's. police, fire, etc. etc. They will have to be first of course; I think it will be a long time, want groceries ? MASK ON I am thinking... many more months ! Just my thoughts.:pray:

davem4616
11-10-2020, 09:28 AM
It'll be difficult to determine who has had the vaccine and sees no need to continue wearing a mask from those that merely choose to not wear masks

currently people that don't wear masks are shunned by those that believe masks should be worn by all

I hope to live my life 'mask free' once I have had the vaccine

That said, to avoid those ugly disapproving looks, I'm thinking of having a large capital letter V imprinted in green ink on a few tee shirts so folks will know why I'm no longer wearing a mask

(PM to Mrs. Rhodes), see, I actually did pay attention in class and learned something when we discussed Hawthorn's works :)

Pairadocs
11-10-2020, 09:42 AM
I seriously doubt that there will be any kind of national mask mandate. First it probably violates states rights. Secondly, who and how would it be enforced? Would the police arrest people who are walking down the street without a mask? I don't know that anyone would want to get involved with that.

I will be happy to get rid on my mask once I get the vaccine. The chances of my getting would be 10% or less and the chances of my giving it to someone else would be even less than that.

The idea of a vaccine is to get us back to normal.

I'm sure national mask law would be a legal debacle that would go to Supreme court; but not well informed on the nuances of the law concerning national emergencies and the power of the president in those circumstances (possible an executive order WITH a well defined time frame ?). HOW that would be enforced is a challenging question, but we all saw (over and over) a woman with no mask and and sitting completely alone, being dragged by two policemen from high school bleachers where she had been watching her son play ball, so who knows ? Can't imagine doing that all over. Perhaps police would just hand out tickets in the same manner they put tickets on auto windows for expired meters ? A minor violating at most ?

billethkid
11-10-2020, 10:09 AM
When reading some posts it seems like some believe the mask prevents one from being infected.

We all know the purpose of the mask is to stop the wearer from spreading the virus......right?

There is no doubt there will be a "recommendation" coming about when it would be safe to discontinue wearing masks....after the vaccinations begin in significance.

macawlaw
11-10-2020, 10:12 AM
I think that it will be a process, starting small and enlarging the circle. For example, once we are vaccinated we would probably be comfortable being in a small gathering of vaccinated friends without masks. Larger groups I could trust would come next, such as church. However, I will not feel safe in shopping establishments without a mask until the science community indicates that it is safe. I am most anxious for it to be safe to sing with others again! I don't know when I will fell safe doing that.

New Englander
11-10-2020, 11:02 AM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.

After I get the second dose of the vaccine I will still wear a mask for about two weeks and they not wear a mask unless it is mandatory.

New Englander
11-10-2020, 11:08 AM
Only so many ways to say yes or no. And all have been said on here 100 times,,,,
:popcorn::popcorn:

The poster was asking will you wear a mask after receiving the vaccine. This was talked about 100 times?

Byte1
11-10-2020, 11:59 AM
Once vaccinated, I will NOT wear a mask again. After all, according to the mask moderators on here, the mask is only to protect them. Since I will not be threatening anymore, they will have no reason to demand that I wear a mask. As a matter of fact, I forgot to put my mask back on when I entered Publix a while back and no one even mentioned it to me. I suddenly realized that I did not have it on and reached into my pocket and put it on. I mentioned it to one employee that was watching me, and asked why they did not say anything to me. The employee said that they were instructed NOT to mention it and that they could not enforce mask wearing. After reading a lot of these forum threads on masks and the virus, I am no longer wearing my mask as much. As a matter of fact, I do not wear a mask in any restaurant and will not wear a mask unless the business I wish to enter posts a sign.
Don't get me wrong, I do not disparage anyone that wishes to protect themselves (or others) and wishes to wear a mask. And I do make it a habit to distance myself from others, wearing or not wearing a mask. I am just not going to allow hysteria and paralyzing fear to ruin my lifestyle.
I understand that there is a better than 90% success rate for the vaccine. Kudos for this administration and their fast pacing the vaccine creation. I am amazed at the fast response I have observed from our leaders in their effort to restore a depleted PPE stockpile and the corporations that were recruited to mass produce all these protective items that have been needed to combat the pandemic.
SO, the answer to the question is: Once the vaccine is available, I will NOT wear a mask. And I won't be wearing one during flu season either. Just the same, stay your distance from me.

tvbound
11-10-2020, 12:13 PM
Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-vaccine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington)


"The truth is that Pfizer didn’t receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of the vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money -- from the German government."

Byte1
11-10-2020, 12:44 PM
Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-vaccine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington)


"The truth is that Pfizer didn’t receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of the vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money -- from the German government."

And you do not believe that Pfizer was motivated by the competition created by Op Warp Spd?

asianthree
11-10-2020, 12:44 PM
Good luck with that. Why don't you just try to get into a hospital that has some Covid patients, or find someone that is infected and see if you can catch it.

Interesting unkind post, to someone who may or may not have your views, to expose themselves.

So I was exposed for 5 months 50 plus hours a week. Don’t know if I ever contracted Covid, because unless you had symptoms, you were not tested.

So I took your possible deadly challenge for some, months ago, no idea if I did or didn’t become infected. So your theory doesn’t hold much promise.

coffeebean
11-10-2020, 02:21 PM
I don't recall any discussions about wearing a mask AFTER the vaccine is available. Just curious as to whether or not folks will still believe that a mask mandate should be enforced. Not to get into a political discussion, the new reign seems to believe in a mask mandate and I was wondering if anyone thinks it is necessary if a vaccine is available.

A mask mandate will be necessary until it has been determined that enough people have been vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. Until then, anyone who has not been vaccinated should wear a mask. I wonder if we will have to carry a card verifying the vaccination so it can be produced when ever necessary. I surely hope my mask wearing days will be over once I'm vaccinated.

Going My Way
11-10-2020, 03:17 PM
Until then, anyone who has not been vaccinated should wear a mask. I wonder if we will have to carry a card verifying the vaccination so it can be produced when ever necessary.

. . . . . . We are almost getting there....

stanley
11-10-2020, 03:29 PM
. . . . . . We are almost getting there....

I would like this but can't because it's seems that's the way we are headed

rustyp
11-10-2020, 03:30 PM
And you do not believe that Pfizer was motivated by the competition created by Op Warp Spd?

I do not believe Pfizer was motivated by Op Warp Spd. They were motivated to be first to market solving a problem which will make them boat loads of money without someone telling them how, when, how much they have to do with their own product. Why not participate in Op Warp Spd you ask. The short answer - So they can hold sole proprietary rights to a new product like they did for years with Lipitor.

As for will I wear a mask after the vaccine - I will do what Fauci recommends.

coffeebean
11-10-2020, 03:36 PM
The poster was asking will you wear a mask after receiving the vaccine. This was talked about 100 times?

Very true. We really have not had much discussion at all about who will or who will not take the vaccine. Can't wait for those discussions!

coffeebean
11-10-2020, 03:51 PM
The announcement of a vaccine does not stop the virus. The virus will also not be stopped the day the first vaccinations are given. The virus will only be stopped once a sufficient number of people have developed immunity either through exposure or vaccination.

Given that, I would choose to wear a mask for several months while vaccinations take place. Once several (three, six, nine?) months have passed and the US has had time to develop immunity I will begin to avoid businesses who continue to mandate masks.

Personally, I will never accept wearing masks as a new normal. Masks are only a temporary measure to get us to a vaccine.

I'm a huge proponent of wearing masks PROPERLY indoors but I certainly do agree with you. I do not want masks to be a new normal for Americans going forward.

Stu from NYC
11-10-2020, 04:22 PM
How long after you get the second dose does the vaccine take full effect?

On that date we burn our masks.

OrangeBlossomBaby
11-10-2020, 05:05 PM
I will probably continue wearing a mask in stores where social distancing is mostly impractical, if not impossible. I'll also carry a mask with me, in case I'm in a "close quarters" situation outside (such as an outdoor concert). But I'll be grateful to not wear, or feel any need to wear, a mask in some fairly open situation indoors (like the AT&T store - not likely to see a crowd of people there).

I'll definitely continue wearing a mask into any establishment that posts mask-wearing as a requirement. I will offer that amount of respect to the proprietor and its employees, if I have need to visit the establishment. Your place, your rules.

I'll probably continue this for 6 months to a year after I receive my second vaccine, or until Dr. Fauci and his entire crew agree that the virus is finally under control and it's safe for masks to become totally optional - instead of heavily encouraged.

I will NOT visit any establishment that -forbids- the use of masks, however.

billethkid
11-10-2020, 06:02 PM
Remember the main objective of wearing the mask is to protect other people from you.

I would think when the vaccine becomes available there will be new "recommendations" regarding when to mask/unmask.

Altavia
11-10-2020, 09:21 PM
Remember the main objective of wearing the mask is to protect other people from you.

I would think when the vaccine becomes available there will be new "recommendations" regarding when to mask/unmask.

Latest data shows wearing a mask provides some risk reduction for the wearer. CDC is now recommending for personal protection.

Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

Vaccines will not be 100% effective so probably good to continue wearing until infection rates are low.

Pfizer vaccine is no silver bullet - Axios (https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-wont-disappear-even-with-a-vaccine-cfc70c23-60fc-4ec7-82d3-d30198bac9b9.html)

Happinow
11-10-2020, 09:48 PM
I will not get the vaccine and will not wear a mask. I did when the virus first started...for months. Upon hearing the wishy washy mask on mask off from the “experts”, I came to my own conclusion that they are useless. I don’t wear one now. I social distance and wash my hands. Given that Bill Gates is involved with the vaccine and he wants to decrease the population, I’m gonna pass on that vaccine. No more vaccines for me. I trust no one nowadays when it comes to telling me what’s best for me. I can make my own decisions and don’t need the government telling me what to do.

OrangeBlossomBaby
11-10-2020, 09:57 PM
I will not get the vaccine and will not wear a mask. I did when the virus first started...for months. Upon hearing the wishy washy mask on mask off from the “experts”, I came to my own conclusion that they are useless. I don’t wear one now. I social distance and wash my hands. Given that Bill Gates is involved with the vaccine and he wants to decrease the population, I’m gonna pass on that vaccine. No more vaccines for me. I trust no one nowadays when it comes to telling me what’s best for me. I can make my own decisions and don’t need the government telling me what to do.

You should go live in a country that doesn't have a government, if you don't like one where you have to abide by its laws (which is how government tells you what to do).

Good luck, and bon voyage.

OrangeBlossomBaby
11-10-2020, 10:04 PM
Latest data shows wearing a mask provides some risk reduction for the wearer. CDC is now recommending for personal protection.

Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)

Vaccines will not be 100% effective so probably good to continue wearing until infection rates are low.

Pfizer vaccine is no silver bullet - Axios (https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-wont-disappear-even-with-a-vaccine-cfc70c23-60fc-4ec7-82d3-d30198bac9b9.html)

Part of the big problem with vaccines, is that there are a group of people (a significant minority) who refuse to get them and refuse to get them for their kids.

Herd immunity only works if something like 78% or higher of a given population is immune. If there's a cluster in Kentucky (for example) who rejects the vaccine, and that cluster is in a town where only 40% of them DO get the vaccine, it means there won't be any herd immunity in that town, at all. But those 40% who get vaccinated will have a huge advantage because they will be at the lowest risk of getting sick AND if they get sick anyway, the lowest risk of severe symptoms.

That's pretty much the point of all vaccines. Immunity at the most. Significantly reduced risk and significantly reduced symptoms, at least. But only for those who get vaccinated, AND if at least 78%+ become immune, then the immunity covers the "herd."

nick demis
11-11-2020, 06:06 AM
Here in Massachusetts it is very rare to see anyone without a mask and it is still spreading. Make you wonder it the masks are necessary or just a method of spreading fear?

kannon
11-11-2020, 06:10 AM
Found this information:
If an individual is vaccinated and they are protected from infection, they will not transmit the virus to someone else. But, it is expected that COVID-19 vaccines may protect against severe infection, but not necessarily prevent mild or asymptomatic infection. If this is the case, a vaccinated person could still spread the virus if they are infected. This is why it is expected that even after a vaccine becomes available, people will need to use masks and practice social distancing measures for some time.

There is still a lot scientists are learning about Covid. Like even if vaccinated, how long do the antibodies last.

I don't like masks. But I don't like people dying even more. If wearing a masks protects both me and others (recent study this week) then I will wear a mask. I hope our communities work together and help each other. One day this will be under control thanks to our wonderful scientists and caring communities. We can get thru this together, will just take some time.

Heyitsrick
11-11-2020, 07:21 AM
Vaccines will not be 100% effective so probably good to continue wearing until infection rates are low.

Pfizer vaccine is no silver bullet - Axios (https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-wont-disappear-even-with-a-vaccine-cfc70c23-60fc-4ec7-82d3-d30198bac9b9.html)

The Axios article is written by a business editor who specializes in deals and dealmakers. I'm not sure his medical opinions carry much weight.

Dan Primack | Axios | HBO (https://www.hbo.com/axios/meet-the-journalists/dan-primack)

Eg_cruz
11-11-2020, 07:23 AM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.
I will not be getting the shot....people are crazy if they do.....in my humble opinion
FYI people in trails have died from it. It is too rushed too new......so I will pass

Heyitsrick
11-11-2020, 07:26 AM
Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-vaccine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington)


"The truth is that Pfizer didn’t receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of the vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money -- from the German government."

From the same article you linked to:

Operation Warp Speed is credited with speeding along several other vaccine programs, including one from Moderna Inc.that uses similar technology to Pfizer’s and could produce trial data later this month. The Trump administration’s rapid-vaccine operation, led by the Health and Human Services Department, the Defense Department, and other agencies, could well prove to be the reason many Americans get a vaccine in 2021, even if it’s not made by Pfizer.

Eg_cruz
11-11-2020, 07:29 AM
No vaccines an still no mask. Can't get rid of something if your not exposed to it to buildup antibodies
That was my brothers thinking....oops he caught it
That was my sisters thinking.....oops she caught and is in the hospital, all signs show she will be fine but it’s been a battle and will be on oxygen for quit some time
So........the saying “Buyer Beware” be careful what you are buying into

G.R.I.T.S.
11-11-2020, 07:31 AM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.

Once I receive the vaccine doses and after the proper length of time for the vaccine to work, I will leave the mask behind.

Warren
11-11-2020, 07:35 AM
We may get vaccinated and that is good for those who accept the vaccine and actually do get vaccinated. There are those who will no get vaccinated and there are those here and all over the world who will not have access to the vaccine. The virus will be around for many many years to come. That is what they are not telling us. We will develop ways to treat the virus so it will be less deadly to the world population. Once i get my vaccination I see no reason to continue to wear the mask.

donassaid
11-11-2020, 07:59 AM
Since 99.9% of people recover from this virus, i will not be taking any vaccines, as all of them contain dangerous metals, formaldehyde,etc. And I will remain among the 16% of those who have tested positive NOT wearing a mask rather than the 84% who wore a mask most, if not all the time.

jbrown132
11-11-2020, 08:03 AM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.

In about two months my guess is that we will be wearing masks for the rest of our lives.

Mardarlowe
11-11-2020, 08:07 AM
I've had enough. Enough already. No vaccine and no mask. Lock me up.

OrangeBlossomBaby
11-11-2020, 08:11 AM
Since 99.9% of people recover from this virus, i will not be taking any vaccines, as all of them contain dangerous metals, formaldehyde,etc. And I will remain among the 16% of those who have tested positive NOT wearing a mask rather than the 84% who wore a mask most, if not all the time.

So you will purposefully and intentionally be a Typhoid Mary.

I'm sure you're very nice.

rlcooper70
11-11-2020, 08:12 AM
Once you have the vaccine will you wear a yellow armband to let people know you are safe?

For the most part ... the mask protects others from you ... gives the message that you care about them. How will you communicate that you are now safe with the vaccine? Curious. And this assumes you care .... of course.

Bill1701
11-11-2020, 08:35 AM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.

A recent survey showed that less than 50% plan to get the vaccine. How do you know who got it and who didn't? I expect the mask policy at stores, etc. to continue well after the vaccine is available. I don't wear a mask if I am outside, but I do at public places. I would continue to do that.

ismatta
11-11-2020, 08:36 AM
I would continue to wear a mask until the infection rate drops to levels deemed safe by the infectious disease specialists. I don’t have a problem wearing a mask, it’s a very minor inconvenience that offers significant benefit. I also always buckle my seatbelt when driving. What in the world is the big deal about wearing a mask? Seriously.

merrymini
11-11-2020, 08:42 AM
You should go live in a country that doesn't have a government, if you don't like one where you have to abide by its laws (which is how government tells you what to do).

Good luck, and bon voyage.

This is still a free country. People here in the villages cannot even abide by simple, easy deed restrictions and I am tired of being ordered about. Get your vaccine and believe those “experts.” Why would anyone wear a mask if they are getting the vaccine? You people are sheep and ready to be herded just like Europe was by the Nazi’s.

Marathon Man
11-11-2020, 08:44 AM
I will not get the vaccine and will not wear a mask. I did when the virus first started...for months. Upon hearing the wishy washy mask on mask off from the “experts”, I came to my own conclusion that they are useless. I don’t wear one now. I social distance and wash my hands. Given that Bill Gates is involved with the vaccine and he wants to decrease the population, I’m gonna pass on that vaccine. No more vaccines for me. I trust no one nowadays when it comes to telling me what’s best for me. I can make my own decisions and don’t need the government telling me what to do.

:1rotfl:

Marathon Man
11-11-2020, 08:48 AM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.

We know it, too.

"I wear the thinnest mask I could find. Not for protection, but to make scaredy cats feel safe when I am around them. And I just smile at the folks in Publix or Walmart that are maskless. Of course they can't see my smile. Since 99.4% of those infected recover from the virus, I figure I have a better chance of getting bit by a poisonous snake and dying."

Cheiro
11-11-2020, 08:54 AM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.

Since one of the primary focuses of mask-wearing is to protect others, one would think that even when the vaccine is available, continuing to wear the mask is a good idea. While the vaccine may be 90% effective, there is still that 10% and you may be one of those; so, continuing to wear the mask as a protection is still a good idea. It is all a matter of all of us banding together to keep eachother (especially our family & friends) protected and safe.

sallyg
11-11-2020, 09:14 AM
Yes.

Heyitsrick
11-11-2020, 09:20 AM
Since one of the primary focuses of mask-wearing is to protect others, one would think that even when the vaccine is available, continuing to wear the mask is a good idea. While the vaccine may be 90% effective, there is still that 10% and you may be one of those; so, continuing to wear the mask as a protection is still a good idea. It is all a matter of all of us banding together to keep eachother (especially our family & friends) protected and safe.

I wear a mask now and I don't complain about it. But I'm not going to go through the rest of my life wearing masks and restricting my movements and interactions once I've been vaccinated. That's not living.

This is from WHO, which got it from the CDC:

"First, no vaccine is 100% effective. To make vaccines safer than the disease, the bacteria or virus is killed or weakened (attenuated). For reasons related to the individual, not all vaccinated persons develop immunity. Most routine childhood vaccines are effective for 85% to 95% of recipients."

85 - 95%. Are we going to run scared because up to 15% of those who were vaccinated might still be susceptible to viruses?

Presumably most people who live in TV are well into the latter part of their lives. Do we all want to live the rest of our lives sequestered and limited in our interactions after being vaccinated?

coffeebean
11-11-2020, 10:08 AM
I will not be getting the shot....people are crazy if they do.....in my humble opinion
FYI people in trails have died from it. It is too rushed too new......so I will pass

There was one man who died in one of the vaccine trials for Astra Zeneca and it was made known that that man did NOT receive the vaccine. He received the placebo.

Please provide a link that people in trials have died. I have not heard anything to that effect.

coffeebean
11-11-2020, 10:14 AM
Since 99.9% of people recover from this virus, i will not be taking any vaccines, as all of them contain dangerous metals, formaldehyde,etc. And I will remain among the 16% of those who have tested positive NOT wearing a mask rather than the 84% who wore a mask most, if not all the time.

Those statistics do not seem reasonable.....at all. Please provide a link so I can read those skewed numbers like you did.

coffeebean
11-11-2020, 10:23 AM
A recent survey showed that less than 50% plan to get the vaccine. How do you know who got it and who didn't? I expect the mask policy at stores, etc. to continue well after the vaccine is available. I don't wear a mask if I am outside, but I do at public places. I would continue to do that.

I do not plan to wear a mask once I wait enough time after the the second injection. I would like to see a button people can wear, similar to the "I Voted" stickers that says, "I had the Covid vaccine". I will put that button on my purse and let everyone know I am no threat to them. I'm also hoping there will be some sort of card that can be carried on your person that identifies someone as having been vaccinated for Covid.

GPGuar
11-11-2020, 10:25 AM
Oh thank God …… ANOTHER THREAD ON MASKS!!!! :a040::clap2::MOJE_whot:

coffeebean
11-11-2020, 10:27 AM
Since one of the primary focuses of mask-wearing is to protect others, one would think that even when the vaccine is available, continuing to wear the mask is a good idea. While the vaccine may be 90% effective, there is still that 10% and you may be one of those; so, continuing to wear the mask as a protection is still a good idea. It is all a matter of all of us banding together to keep eachother (especially our family & friends) protected and safe.
I am a huge proponent of mask wearing indoors but I will be ready to ditch the mask after I have been vaccinated and wait the proper amount of time for immunity to kick in.

airstreamingypsy
11-11-2020, 10:32 AM
I will continue to do what the experts say to do. If they say wear a mask after I get the vaccine, I will. If they say just wear it for a certain amount of time I will.

jimjamuser
11-11-2020, 10:37 AM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.
Talk of the vaccine is VERY premature. Best case for the Joe Ordinaries, like you and I, is to be delivered by Dec 2021. Delivery is going to be difficult because it needs to be stored at negative 100 degrees F. The DPA will FINALLY need to be activated to produce enough freezer equipment for ALL US hospitals to be vaccine delivery centers. Also, 2 doses needed. And right now only 50% of the people would choose to take that vaccine. So, a huge education undertaking will be needed to convince the public of its effectiveness. The whole thing is too PREMATURE to even discuss intelligently at this early stage. Many things will change in that time period. It is a fluid situation.

Use of masks: Again too premature to get too opinionated about that. Social norms are always changing. It may be a statement today to NOT wear a mask - but, in a few months, everyone COULD (?) be wearing one. I, personally, hope that the price of N-95s drops down significantly and is available to everyone - again the DPA is much needed - and it could mean needed manufacturing jobs in the US!

Charlie'sDad
11-11-2020, 10:55 AM
I don't recall any discussions about wearing a mask AFTER the vaccine is available. Just curious as to whether or not folks will still believe that a mask mandate should be enforced. Not to get into a political discussion, the new reign seems to believe in a mask mandate and I was wondering if anyone thinks it is necessary if a vaccine is available.


After I get the vaccine I'm not going to wear the mask. I'm going to look for a tee shirt that says: "Not wearing a mask. I had the Vaccine."

stanley
11-11-2020, 11:09 AM
I would like to see a button people can wear, similar to the "I Voted" stickers that says, "I had the Covid vaccine". I will put that button on my purse and let everyone know I am no threat to them. I'm also hoping there will be some sort of card that can be carried on your person that identifies someone as having been vaccinated for Covid.

....

jimjamuser
11-11-2020, 11:09 AM
I seriously doubt that there will be any kind of national mask mandate. First it probably violates states rights. Secondly, who and how would it be enforced? Would the police arrest people who are walking down the street without a mask? I don't know that anyone would want to get involved with that.

I will be happy to get rid on my mask once I get the vaccine. The chances of my getting would be 10% or less and the chances of my giving it to someone else would be even less than that.

The idea of a vaccine is to get us back to normal.
I would NOT take my CV medical advice from people that encourage Villagers to meet indoors during a plague. Indoors is 15 times as bad as outdoors. Villagers should not act like they are 20 years old. You can act "normal" when it is all over and EVERYONE is vaccinated. You CAN act normal now if you want to, but you are a danger to your fellow human beings, especially the old ones.

jimjamuser
11-11-2020, 11:12 AM
The question is would you wear your mask AFTER receiving the vaccine? The time that it will take to be distributed is irrelevant. How it is shipped and stored is irrelevant. if it takes two doses you have received the vaccine after you have received your two doses.

So once the vaccine is shipped here and stored at -100 degrees and you have your two doses, whether that is next week, next month or November of 2021, would you continue to wear your mask?
Not irrelevant at all.

MaxCat
11-11-2020, 11:12 AM
My expectation would be that once a vaccine has been administered to the proper number of individuals in the population, that the wearing of masks would be much less important. But I expect to follow the guidance of the CDC and manufacturer of the vaccine if/when that happens. Am guessing that once a vaccine has been administered to the proper number of individuals in the population, if you are a normal, healthy person there would likely not be guidance to need to wear a mask. But if you were not so healthy or had certain conditions, you might be advised to continue wearing a medical grade (i.e. N95) mask for your own protection -- as you would to avoid catching any kind of illness. But just guessing. Guidance from the CDC will be needed.

coffeebean
11-11-2020, 11:15 AM
I don't recall any discussions about wearing a mask AFTER the vaccine is available. Just curious as to whether or not folks will still believe that a mask mandate should be enforced. Not to get into a political discussion, the new reign seems to believe in a mask mandate and I was wondering if anyone thinks it is necessary if a vaccine is available.


After I get the vaccine I'm not going to wear the mask. I'm going to look for a tee shirt that says: "Not wearing a mask. I had the Vaccine."

Do you think a button would do?

jimjamuser
11-11-2020, 11:25 AM
Once vaccinated, I will NOT wear a mask again. After all, according to the mask moderators on here, the mask is only to protect them. Since I will not be threatening anymore, they will have no reason to demand that I wear a mask. As a matter of fact, I forgot to put my mask back on when I entered Publix a while back and no one even mentioned it to me. I suddenly realized that I did not have it on and reached into my pocket and put it on. I mentioned it to one employee that was watching me, and asked why they did not say anything to me. The employee said that they were instructed NOT to mention it and that they could not enforce mask wearing. After reading a lot of these forum threads on masks and the virus, I am no longer wearing my mask as much. As a matter of fact, I do not wear a mask in any restaurant and will not wear a mask unless the business I wish to enter posts a sign.
Don't get me wrong, I do not disparage anyone that wishes to protect themselves (or others) and wishes to wear a mask. And I do make it a habit to distance myself from others, wearing or not wearing a mask. I am just not going to allow hysteria and paralyzing fear to ruin my lifestyle.
I understand that there is a better than 90% success rate for the vaccine. Kudos for this administration and their fast pacing the vaccine creation. I am amazed at the fast response I have observed from our leaders in their effort to restore a depleted PPE stockpile and the corporations that were recruited to mass produce all these protective items that have been needed to combat the pandemic.
SO, the answer to the question is: Once the vaccine is available, I will NOT wear a mask. And I won't be wearing one during flu season either. Just the same, stay your distance from me.
Pfizer specifically said that they took no (ZERO) money from the US government. It was developed by a small German Company that partnered with Pfizer for some reason(?) maybe money, maybe better distribution. Praise the German scientists if you want to praise something that is correct and not BS propaganda!

Joorn59
11-11-2020, 11:26 AM
I will still wear a mask in grocery stores, pharmacies and in crowds. I wore a mask as a surgical RN my whole life and rarely got a cold, never got the flu.
As I age I figure it’s a good rule going forward.

jimjamuser
11-11-2020, 11:29 AM
Absolutely true! Good job educating TV Land to the REAL facts. It is difficult to counter propaganda.

jimjamuser
11-11-2020, 11:34 AM
And you do not believe that Pfizer was motivated by the competition created by Op Warp Spd?
What a desperate attempt to throw a curveball and obscure real facts. If you do not like the facts, make up your own narrative.............desperate!

jimjamuser
11-11-2020, 11:36 AM
. . . . . . We are almost getting there....
That is strange to the point of being frightening!

Malsua
11-11-2020, 11:37 AM
Pfizer specifically said that they took no (ZERO) money from the US government. It was developed by a small German Company that partnered with Pfizer for some reason(?) maybe money, maybe better distribution. Praise the German scientists if you want to praise something that is correct and not BS propaganda!

Except that Pfizier is promised 1.95 Billion for distribution once there is approval. If you think Operation Warp speed didn't have an effect on their calculus you're mistaken.
They didn't take any money _YET_, but they will make a tremendous profit once it's approved.

graciegirl
11-11-2020, 11:50 AM
Talk of the vaccine is VERY premature. Best case for the Joe Ordinaries, like you and I, is to be delivered by Dec 2021. Delivery is going to be difficult because it needs to be stored at negative 100 degrees F. The DPA will FINALLY need to be activated to produce enough freezer equipment for ALL US hospitals to be vaccine delivery centers. Also, 2 doses needed. And right now only 50% of the people would choose to take that vaccine. So, a huge education undertaking will be needed to convince the public of its effectiveness. The whole thing is too PREMATURE to even discuss intelligently at this early stage. Many things will change in that time period. It is a fluid situation.

Use of masks: Again too premature to get too opinionated about that. Social norms are always changing. It may be a statement today to NOT wear a mask - but, in a few months, everyone COULD (?) be wearing one. I, personally, hope that the price of N-95s drops down significantly and is available to everyone - again the DPA is much needed - and it could mean needed manufacturing jobs in the US!

I expect for you to be vaccinated by Jan 30, 2020.

graciegirl
11-11-2020, 11:52 AM
Do you think a button would do?

I thought a billboard. Whooooooooooooooooooopie. I might even get a tattoo.







NOT.

stanley
11-11-2020, 11:57 AM
I might even get a tattoo.

NOT.

Don't be surprised if something to that effect is mandatory.
See post 63 :duck:
:shocked:

Kilmacowen
11-11-2020, 12:01 PM
Absolutely true! Good job educating TV Land to the REAL facts. It is difficult to counter propaganda.

So true , just Google "Prestige Ameritech" for the facts on N95 masks that our government refused at the end of January.

cherylncliff
11-11-2020, 12:03 PM
Most vaccines take at least 2 weeks to become fully effective so that would be 2 weeks following your second injection of the Pfizer vaccine for a total of 5 weeks from first injection. I may also continue to wear a mask in public until the rate of vaccination gets to 50% or better. I am guessing there are a lot of people who will not get vaccinated as they are not even willing to show enough concern for themselves or others to wear a mask.

Byte1
11-11-2020, 12:46 PM
Most vaccines take at least 2 weeks to become fully effective so that would be 2 weeks following your second injection of the Pfizer vaccine for a total of 5 weeks from first injection. I may also continue to wear a mask in public until the rate of vaccination gets to 50% or better. I am guessing there are a lot of people who will not get vaccinated as they are not even willing to show enough concern for themselves or others to wear a mask.

Or maybe they just don't believe the hype? Or, maybe they just do not agree with some folks that think the mask is the end all.....the answer to survival. Some folks may just be afraid of getting the vaccination. Some folks may think they have an immunity to the virus and do not need it. It's a free country and one should respect the rights of others having an opinion, even if one believes them to be wrong.

Byte1
11-11-2020, 12:48 PM
Don't be surprised if something to that effect is mandatory.
See post 63 :duck:
:shocked:

No, not a barcode tattoo. Probably a chip like they put in pets. :a040:

jimjamuser
11-11-2020, 12:50 PM
Where are you getting your information, Biden? The vaccine is estimated to be released and shipped by the end of next month, NOT a year from now.
Not to the average citizen. And I will believe THAT when I see it. My information came from Dr. Michael Olsterholm, a true medical expert in infectious disease, as opposed to Dr. Atlas, a lightweight radiologist.

stanley
11-11-2020, 01:08 PM
No, not a barcode tattoo. Probably a chip like they put in pets. :a040:

I know, I couldn't find a picture of an in bedded chip. Anyway that barcode pic is more dramatic I think. :)

dhdallas
11-11-2020, 05:21 PM
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.

Herd Immunity & Darwin's Natural Selection is nature's solution. Its not nice to fool Mother Nature!

claricecolin
11-11-2020, 06:10 PM
Not to the average citizen. And I will believe THAT when I see it. My information came from Dr. Michael Olsterholm, a true medical expert in
infectious disease, as opposed to Dr. Atlas, a lightweight radiologist.

Thank you! For months they have been saying the vaccine wouldn't be available to the general population right away at the earliest would be 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2021. The order is to be (as of now) first responders, long term facility residents, high risk and then general.

Velvet
11-11-2020, 06:12 PM
I think Pink’s bar code is cool; or above the ankle.

OrangeBlossomBaby
11-11-2020, 08:51 PM
Thanks for serving your country. But, this constant communist behind every bush is a bit off-putting and NOT connected to reality. The US is and has been always a center, moderate country. I understand that the recent disappointment makes some of us want to burn our masks and dislike mask advocates. So, what is next after burning masks.....burning all books? I think there was a movie about that.

It was actually a book first. The irony of fiction :)

blueash
11-12-2020, 07:30 AM
This is very tricky to extrapolate my future behavior based on a public relations report. For starters, the 90% figure is in people who volunteered to be in a vaccine study. It is of course the best you can do and thank you to those that volunteered. But perhaps those kind of people are believers in science and care about community thus they are willing to take some personal risk to get answers for others. That kind of person might be more likely to be a mask wearing or a hand washers or a stay at home and social distance person. The correct conclusion might be that the vaccine is 90% effective in people who significantly lowered their risk.

That may not apply to people who don't lower their risk thus have higher viral exposure. Time will tell. We also do not have any long term data on protection but hopefully that data will be reported before the vaccine is widely available. And an important point. While the CDC now says that mask wearing not only reduces the likelihood of me spreading my Covid to you, it also does help protect me from your Covid (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html).

If the vaccine protects against clinical disease, that's great. There is not any reported data, nor anything in the protocol that will provide an answer, on whether it protects against subclinical disease. In other words if I get the shots might I still be likely to be contagious to others when I am exposed even though I am not "sick"? This question could only be answered by doing regular Covid screening in the study groups. It was not done.

My answer to the OP's question is I don't know. There is not enough data available for a reasonable person to make an informed choice. But I can tell you that my decision will be based on science and on my belief that I am responsible not only for my own health but that I have a moral obligation to protect yours as well.

Bay Kid
11-12-2020, 07:57 AM
We will see how vaccine works for Joe. I think I will take my chances at the back of the line. Watch out for world control.

patfla06
11-13-2020, 05:44 PM
Found this information:
If an individual is vaccinated and they are protected from infection, they will not transmit the virus to someone else. But, it is expected that COVID-19 vaccines may protect against severe infection, but not necessarily prevent mild or asymptomatic infection. If this is the case, a vaccinated person could still spread the virus if they are infected. This is why it is expected that even after a vaccine becomes available, people will need to use masks and practice social distancing measures for some time.

There is still a lot scientists are learning about Covid. Like even if vaccinated, how long do the antibodies last.

I don't like masks. But I don't like people dying even more. If wearing a masks protects both me and others (recent study this week) then I will wear a mask. I hope our communities work together and help each other. One day this will be under control thanks to our wonderful scientists and caring communities. We can get thru this together, will just take some time.

Thank you for a rational well thought out post.

Velvet
11-13-2020, 10:45 PM
I see mask wearing as an act of hygiene, like using toilet paper.

8notes
11-14-2020, 06:30 AM
Or maybe they just don't believe the hype? Or, maybe they just do not agree with some folks that think the mask is the end all.....the answer to survival. Some folks may just be afraid of getting the vaccination. Some folks may think they have an immunity to the virus and do not need it. It's a free country and one should respect the rights of others having an opinion, even if one believes them to be wrong.

As the saying goes, people are entitled to their own opinions, not their own facts. People don't have the "right" do do whatever they want when it comes to public health issues.

golfing eagles
11-14-2020, 07:32 AM
From another mask thread, someone posted:

"While I will always agree that unchecked and unlimited government overreach is a threat to our liberty, there is precedent as well as a moral obligation for it to protect its citizenry from present danger. In particular, danger from other, uncaring and self centered citizens common in a free society founded on doing what is best for ourselves as individuals. Car insurance is a good example as are seat belt laws or wearing clothing. It has been argued especially by people who love to argue, that despite the obvious protections these provide , they are government overreach. Like masks, seatbelt safety was argued and often protested and still is to a lesser degree. Confirmation bias can be so stubborn in some people that it takes the experience of being ejected from a vehicle to accept the obvious albeit too late to make use of the wisdom. Refuting the obvious and stubbornness about simply wearing a mask is fun for people who love to argue. When pressed, would they send a loved one (which may only be themselves) into a room with a Covid patient without a mask? I doubt it very much. The truth is that not even stubborn, argumentative guardians of freedom can tell if someone in a restaurant has Covid. No disrespect and in good company, Ben Franklin once argued against vaccines until he lost a son to Small Pox."

Even though I don't necessarily agree with all that he said, it's a pretty good post overall, UNTIL.......the last line. Edward Jenner started his smallpox vaccine trials in 1796, Ben Franklin died in 1790

8notes
11-14-2020, 08:05 AM
From another mask thread, someone posted:

"While I will always agree that unchecked and unlimited government overreach is a threat to our liberty, there is precedent as well as a moral obligation for it to protect its citizenry from present danger. In particular, danger from other, uncaring and self centered citizens common in a free society founded on doing what is best for ourselves as individuals. Car insurance is a good example as are seat belt laws or wearing clothing. It has been argued especially by people who love to argue, that despite the obvious protections these provide , they are government overreach. Like masks, seatbelt safety was argued and often protested and still is to a lesser degree. Confirmation bias can be so stubborn in some people that it takes the experience of being ejected from a vehicle to accept the obvious albeit too late to make use of the wisdom. Refuting the obvious and stubbornness about simply wearing a mask is fun for people who love to argue. When pressed, would they send a loved one (which may only be themselves) into a room with a Covid patient without a mask? I doubt it very much. The truth is that not even stubborn, argumentative guardians of freedom can tell if someone in a restaurant has Covid. No disrespect and in good company, Ben Franklin once argued against vaccines until he lost a son to Small Pox."

Even though I don't necessarily agree with all that he said, it's a pretty good post overall, UNTIL.......the last line. Edward Jenner started his smallpox vaccine trials in 1796, Ben Franklin died in 1790

There was experimental smallpox inoculation the early 1700's and Franklin's son died in 1735. Franklin, in his autobiography, lamented not having his son inoculated.

golfing eagles
11-14-2020, 10:29 AM
There was experimental smallpox inoculation the early 1700's and Franklin's son died in 1735. Franklin, in his autobiography, lamented not having his son inoculated.

Didn't know that. But I think we can assume that the early 1700's vaccine wasn't too effective

graciegirl
11-14-2020, 12:16 PM
According to this, no one died from Covid yesterday or the day before from Covid-19 in Sumter County. Only COUNTY statistics are available.

coronavirus deaths sumter county florida - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=coronavirus+deaths+sumter+county+florida&cvid=015d148fed0449b787216244e0e6479e&pglt=43&FORM=ANSPA1&PC=DCTS)

Me and mine will get the vaccine as soon as it is offered. Most of us will. It has nothing to do with political leanings.

sail33or
11-14-2020, 02:14 PM
Can't everyone tell by these responses that there will NEVER be agreement on this ever. No about of somebody's facts, propaganda, Agency Directives, Forum Experts, etc.

Some will wear masks until they die, Some will stop at some point and some will NEVER wear masks. Those are the 3 options. Why discuss it further. No one is going to change anyone's mind. Just like most everything in TODAYS World. It is just arguing not debating.

tcxr750
11-14-2020, 03:46 PM
Reminds me of the controversy over seat belt wear. When seat belts were installed in passenger cars in the late fifties it was believed better to be thrown out through the windshield in a crash rather than trapped in the burning car. That’s what made seat belt wear mandatory.
Here in the US we’ll probably see people go back to the “no mask” mode after the vaccine has been widely distributed. If you look at historic video of Asian countries most people wear a mask during the Flu season vs none in the US. A cultural thing with the acceptance of death or serious illness for yourself or others as secondary.

8notes
11-14-2020, 03:58 PM
Didn't know that. But I think we can assume that the early 1700's vaccine wasn't too effective From what I read, it wasn't a vaccine, it was an inoculation - scratch the skin surface, and place some actual live smallpox there.

Velvet
11-14-2020, 04:07 PM
Yes, they still used the scratch and later scab technique sometime ago in Europe. I still have the upper arm scar to prove it.

rustyp
11-14-2020, 07:01 PM
Food for thought - Heard on the evening news tonight:
"At this point it is a sign of disrespect not to wear a mask".

Two Bills
11-15-2020, 05:32 AM
Pfizer specifically said that they took no (ZERO) money from the US government. It was developed by a small German Company that partnered with Pfizer for some reason(?) maybe money, maybe better distribution. Praise the German scientists if you want to praise something that is correct and not BS propaganda!

The German laboratory was a research establishment and did not have the finance or know how to run the large trials required to prove vaccine worked, or the production line required to meet demand if the trials were successful.
Hence their partneship with Pfizer who had the money and knowhow to take the research forward.
Turkish husband and wife partnership Özlem Türeci and Ugur Sahin and their company BioNTech were the originators of the vaccine.

coffeebean
11-15-2020, 10:56 AM
Food for thought - Heard on the evening news tonight:
"At this point it is a sign of disrespect not to wear a mask".
It has always been a sign of disrespect. Nothing new.

New Englander
11-15-2020, 11:15 AM
According to this, no one died from Covid yesterday or the day before from Covid-19 in Sumter County. Only COUNTY statistics are available.

coronavirus deaths sumter county florida - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=coronavirus+deaths+sumter+county+florida&cvid=015d148fed0449b787216244e0e6479e&pglt=43&FORM=ANSPA1&PC=DCTS)

Me and mine will get the vaccine as soon as it is offered. Most of us will. It has nothing to do with political leanings.


:agree:

OrangeBlossomBaby
11-15-2020, 03:09 PM
According to this, no one died from Covid yesterday or the day before from Covid-19 in Sumter County. Only COUNTY statistics are available.

coronavirus deaths sumter county florida - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=coronavirus+deaths+sumter+county+florida&cvid=015d148fed0449b787216244e0e6479e&pglt=43&FORM=ANSPA1&PC=DCTS)

Me and mine will get the vaccine as soon as it is offered. Most of us will. It has nothing to do with political leanings.

according to which one of 387,000 Results?

here's one on page 10 of your search results:

Coronavirus in Florida: Over 4,000 cases in state, 56 deaths | WFLA (https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-in-florida-more-than-500-new-cases-8-more-deaths/)


of course that was from March 28, but hey bing search results for the win, right?

Byte1
11-17-2020, 01:07 PM
I do not plan to wear a mask once I wait enough time after the the second injection. I would like to see a button people can wear, similar to the "I Voted" stickers that says, "I had the Covid vaccine". I will put that button on my purse and let everyone know I am no threat to them. I'm also hoping there will be some sort of card that can be carried on your person that identifies someone as having been vaccinated for Covid.

Do you have one to show that you have been vaccinated for the measles, mumps, pox, etc?

Sparky25
11-17-2020, 01:13 PM
When I was young back in the day we were taught to remember our veterans on Veteran’s day for their sacrifice , whether they were drafted or enlisted. They were willing to sacrifice their lives even unto death for the lives of other Americans –we called that patriotism. Today we are faced with some of us that are not willing to sacrifice a little and wear a mask for the safety of our fellow Americans. Where has our patriotism gone.
We need More LOVE for America --Which translates More LOVE toward all Americans

George Grafer

Sparky25
11-17-2020, 01:28 PM
When I was young back in the day we were taught to remember our veterans on Veteran’s day for their sacrifice , whether they were drafted or enlisted. They were willing to sacrifice their lives even unto death for the lives of other Americans –we called that patriotism. Today we are faced with some of us that are not willing to sacrifice a little and wear a mask for the safety of our fellow Americans. Where has our patriotism gone.
We need More LOVE for America --Which translates More LOVE toward all Americans

George Grafer

Bill14564
11-17-2020, 01:56 PM
When I was young back in the day we were taught to remember our veterans on Veteran’s day for their sacrifice , whether they were drafted or enlisted. They were willing to sacrifice their lives even unto death for the lives of other Americans –we called that patriotism. Today we are faced with some of us that are not willing to sacrifice a little and wear a mask for the safety of our fellow Americans. Where has our patriotism gone.
We need More LOVE for America --Which translates More LOVE toward all Americans

George Grafer

Just for the sake of argument...

At other times it is said that veterans and patriots died to protect the freedoms we enjoy as Americans. Some might suggest that mask mandates and mask shaming are threats to those freedoms.

Sparky25
11-17-2020, 02:03 PM
Can some one tell me how to post a new tread? I can't seem to find the button.

THX

stanley
11-17-2020, 02:30 PM
Just for the sake of argument...

At other times it is said that veterans and patriots died to protect the freedoms we enjoy as Americans. Some might suggest that mask mandates and mask shaming are threats to those freedoms.

Yep, some will cry patriotism and the Constitution only when it suites their own purpose

Velvet
11-17-2020, 02:36 PM
So let me understand this, some people are willing to serve in the military and risk their lives for fellow Americans but refuse to wear a mask to protect those same people?

Sparky25
11-17-2020, 02:47 PM
Just for the sake of argument...

At other times it is said that veterans and patriots died to protect the freedoms we enjoy as Americans. Some might suggest that mask mandates and mask shaming are threats to those freedoms. I suppose we all look at things differently. I rather enjoy the freedom of going into a restaurant and not having smoke all around me. Maybe that's because I am a cancer survivor. I enjoy the freedom of having my children go to school I knowing that the other children have been vaccinated so that I do not have to worry about my children coming home with a disease. I enjoy the freedom that everybody needs a drivers license to drive a car and I can rest assured that they have passed the test. Back in the day we did not need seat belts but now we do. I guess that law is to protect ourselves. The same goes for motorcycle helmets. Most states require them now.
George

Bill14564
11-17-2020, 03:08 PM
I suppose we all look at things differently. I rather enjoy the freedom of going into a restaurant and not having smoke all around me. Maybe that's because I am a cancer survivor. I enjoy the freedom of having my children go to school I knowing that the other children have been vaccinated so that I do not have to worry about my children coming home with a disease. I enjoy the freedom that everybody needs a drivers license to drive a car and I can rest assured that they have passed the test. Back in the day we did not need seat belts but now we do. I guess that law is to protect ourselves. The same goes for motorcycle helmets. Most states require them now.
George

In every one of those cases you mention, a law was passed to take away your/my/someone's freedom to make a choice. And, at least a few of those cases were very controversial because it was acknowledged that a freedom was being taken away.

Be careful cheering for your "freedoms" that come at a price for someone else. Tomorrow someone else might be cheering for a "freedom" that costs you.

sail33or
11-17-2020, 05:31 PM
All those States with Covid Surges were told to wear Masks. Still had surge. So no matter if not enough wore masks that is what happened and nothing that is presented, claimed or discussed (over and over and over) is going to change mask wearing adherence. (NO, not even a National Mandate). It is what it is NOW. You wear your mask and that is all YOU can do.

NCAA Football Teams live in a BUBBLE. Coaches wear masks (well not really) but most all the Teams still get Covid. Most games are being cancelled or rescheduled.

The GREAT RESET is testing to see how many will obey mask wearing, how many obey Global Warming, Election Results, How many obey Facebook, Twitter and Media Propaganda, etc. They have something in the works for the hard cases that still have not obeyed coming. Say Hello to GLOBALISM.

OrangeBlossomBaby
11-17-2020, 06:13 PM
Just for the sake of argument...

At other times it is said that veterans and patriots died to protect the freedoms we enjoy as Americans. Some might suggest that mask mandates and mask shaming are threats to those freedoms.

I'll suggest that driving freely without the burden of responsibility to prevent my vehicle from ramming into yours, is a freedom that has been taken away from me.

I'll suggest that being able to sneeze on the back of your head without covering my mouth, because I don't feel like raising my hand or backing away from you first, is a freedom being threatened.

I'll suggest that being able to go into your house at 3AM and raid your refrigerator just because I learned you might have something edible in it is a freedom you would probably deny me.

I'll also suggest that after I'm done nomming on your food, that if were to sleep on your lanai, you probably would want to deny that freedom to me.

Freedom of assembly and all that. I feel like assembling in front of your driveway today. Sorry if you can't get out to do your grocery shopping but hey - public roads and all that, right?

Or -

is it possible that with freedoms come responsibilities?

Nahhhhhh that can't possibly be true. Can it?

Joe V.
11-17-2020, 06:15 PM
I'll suggest that driving freely without the burden of responsibility to prevent my vehicle from ramming into yours, is a freedom that has been taken away from me.

I'll suggest that being able to sneeze on the back of your head without covering my mouth, because I don't feel like raising my hand or backing away from you first, is a freedom being threatened.

I'll suggest that being able to go into your house at 3AM and raid your refrigerator just because I learned you might have something edible in it is a freedom you would probably deny me.

I'll also suggest that after I'm done nomming on your food, that if were to sleep on your lanai, you probably would want to deny that freedom to me.

Freedom of assembly and all that. I feel like assembling in front of your driveway today. Sorry if you can't get out to do your grocery shopping but hey - public roads and all that, right?

Or -

is it possible that with freedoms come responsibilities?

Nahhhhhh that can't possibly be true. Can it?


Sophistry.

coffeebean
11-17-2020, 10:02 PM
Do you have one to show that you have been vaccinated for the measles, mumps, pox, etc?

Those diseases did not cause a global pandemic and were not deadly like the virus that causes Covid-19. As a child, I had measles, mumps and chicken pox. I did not receive vaccinations so, no, I didn't get a button.

coffeebean
11-17-2020, 10:06 PM
Can some one tell me how to post a new tread? I can't seem to find the button.

THX
On the new version of this forum, the "button" to start a new thread is on the left side of the page towards the top. It is dark read with white text that says, "Post New Thread".

coffeebean
11-17-2020, 10:12 PM
Sophistry.

Had to look that one up. Reading this forum can be such an education. Thanks.

Velvet
11-17-2020, 10:19 PM
Just for the sake of argument...

At other times it is said that veterans and patriots died to protect the freedoms we enjoy as Americans. Some might suggest that mask mandates and mask shaming are threats to those freedoms.

Seriously, the freedom not to wear masks, socks and what else? I can tell you for sure my cousins didn’t risk their lives for you to have the right not to wear socks.

stanley
11-17-2020, 10:26 PM
This thread just bordered on stupidity with the last few posts. Yep I said it

graciegirl
11-20-2020, 03:40 PM
according to which one of 387,000 Results?

here's one on page 10 of your search results:

Coronavirus in Florida: Over 4,000 cases in state, 56 deaths | WFLA (https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-in-florida-more-than-500-new-cases-8-more-deaths/)


of course that was from March 28, but hey bing search results for the win, right?

It was this one on the top of the very first page to the right.

Sumter County cases
Updated Nov 20 at 3:20 PM local
Confirmed
3,230
+18
Deaths
91
Recovered
-
Florida cases
Updated Nov 20 at 3:20 PM local
Confirmed
914,333
+9,085
Deaths
18,030
+81
Recovered

In summary, because I watch it daily and still have most of my memory. In the last week we have had three deaths in Sumter County and one day the new cases went up to twenty. It was in the teens the rest of the time.

WHAT DO YOU FIND, ????? Low deaths here because most of us are being careful. That is what I find.

PugMom
11-20-2020, 09:23 PM
No vaccines an still no mask. Can't get rid of something if your not exposed to it to buildup antibodies

dittos