What “Super Spreader” event?

[Swoop]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

[stanley]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.


The election is over. (supposedly)

[CoachKandSportsguy]

With North Dakota hospitals at 100% capacity, Burgum announces COVID-positive nurses can stay at work | Grand Forks Herald (https://www.grandforksherald.com/newsmd/coronavirus/6753876-With-North-Dakota-hospitals-at-100-capacity-Burgum-announces-COVID-positive-nurses-can-stay-at-work)

The human mind has evolved to reacted strongly to danger as opposed to pleasure for survival, so in a commercial enterprise, what do you expect? However, if want to be critical you can certainly pick a day length but I prefer to look positively that epidemics come in waves, and I am hoping that the pattern of super spreader events that aren’t producing increase in hospitalizations is a positive sign in our adaptability and improved medical outcomes.

[Marathon Man]

The election is over. (supposedly)

:bigbow:

[Lottoguy]

We still don't know everything about this virus. It can sometimes take longer for the spread to show up. The Sturgis biker rally is a good example. That area is really bad. For such a remote state, this can be the only reason why it's so bad right now.

[Dana1963]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.
Just be thankful The Villages is not like South Florida YET. Fortunately we do not have the same demographics.

[Altavia]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

Huh?

Hospitals are starting to overflow across the country?

[Swoop]

Huh?

Hospitals are starting to overflow across the country?

Where are you getting that “news” from? Here is a link to the CDC site showing the percentage of occupied ICU beds across the USA. These numbers fall into the same normal range as you would have without the Coronavirus.
https://healthdata.gov/sites/default/files/estimated_icu_20201108_2221.csv
Another example of main stream media spreading false information as facts...

[CoachKandSportsguy]

The weather now in FL is less conducive for virus spreading. which is great, more outdoor life, less air conditioning and indoor activities. Up North in New England, a week long church event put a couple dozen people in the hospital as well as some ice hockey games. And the hospitalizations are starting to rise without any super spreader events, due to more conducive weather for spreading, drier air and indoor activities. In TV, I would expect less hospitalization rates now through April than during the summer.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

@swoop - that's just part of the hospitalization data, ICU, covid also takes up acute care beds, where most people go first, which added on top of normal acute care bed usage, is overflowing the hospitals. . . So your story isn't the complete picture either, cherry picking facts.

sportsguy

[Swoop]

@swoop - that's just part of the hospitalization data, ICU, covid also takes up acute care beds, where most people go first, which added on top of normal acute care bed usage, is overflowing the hospitals. . . So your story isn't the complete picture either, cherry picking facts.

sportsguy
The poster stated that hospitals were “starting to overflow across the country”. You also indicated that same sentiment. Show me that data. Not a news report or an article. Not a single anomaly. The actual un-manipulated data to support that.

[Pairadocs]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

Selling fear and manipulating people.... in spades, you hit the proverbial nail on the head. Don't care what your party, get smart people, our very thoughts are being shaped by yahoo, Facebook, one line addiction, cell phone addiction, and cable TV. Maybe it's time for high schools to put Animal Farm BACK on the mandatory list and BTW, thinking and logical thinking CAN be taught ! All day long on TV, Fluzone QUAD, 4 times strength for seniors and FREE FOLKS, FREE. Not much said about 30% effectiveness ! ? Investigate, question, you don't have to live as a cynical person just because you are cautious and careful, but remember, many people do not like people who ask detailed questions concerning anything: purchasing a car, cell phone, computer, or asking too many technical questions at all many times ! LOL !

[Pairadocs]

@swoop - that's just part of the hospitalization data, ICU, covid also takes up acute care beds, where most people go first, which added on top of normal acute care bed usage, is overflowing the hospitals. . . So your story isn't the complete picture either, cherry picking facts.

sportsguy

Be careful, people want "facts" , but not too many facts; especially if they are not useful to supporting their opinion ! :bigbow:
He who speaks the WHOLE truth you know...... not a popular guy ?

[Pairadocs]

interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in the villages would be another super spreader event. “peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were super spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

bingo !

[tvbound]

"Selling fear and manipulating people.... in spades"


Some people are exceedingly accomplished at doing this.

[Scott O]

Where are you getting that “news” from? Here is a link to the CDC site showing the percentage of occupied ICU beds across the USA. These numbers fall into the same normal range as you would have without the Coronavirus.
https://healthdata.gov/sites/default/files/estimated_icu_20201108_2221.csv
Another example of main stream media spreading false information as facts...
Exactly....thanks, those with even an iota of logic have gotten that...

[diane reynolds]

Shortly you will be out of news.

[Coal Miner]

I dont know what media you listen to, but I heard a lot about spreading covid during the protests.

[Mrprez]

I dont know what media you listen to, but I heard a lot about spreading covid during the protests.

So, why are you keeping your sources a secret. Let us all know! Post them here. Do it now!😀

[CalMar]

Perfectly stated.

[nick demis]

We still don't know everything about this virus. It can sometimes take longer for the spread to show up. The Sturgis biker rally is a good example. That area is really bad. For such a remote state, this can be the only reason why it's so bad right now.

Do you realize how long ago the Sturgis rally was? You need to try to use actual reason instead of living with fear.

[nick demis]

The politicians now say they want to spread out the virus over a long time and are finally admitting that a huge percentage of the population will eventually get the virus. Since this is the case, why not get it over sooner than later. Time to start living your life instead of living in fear.

[Girlcopper]

Just be thankful The Villages is not like South Florida YET. Fortunately we do not have the same demographics.
What??? Its exactly the same. Older retired people, snowbirds, visitors, family from out of state, grandkids coming and using facilities. It Couldnt be more the same.

[2314samship]

The weather now in FL is less conducive for virus spreading. which is great, more outdoor life, less air conditioning and indoor activities. Up North in New England, a week long church event put a couple dozen people in the hospital as well as some ice hockey games. And the hospitalizations are starting to rise without any super spreader events, due to more conducive weather for spreading, drier air and indoor activities. In TV, I would expect less hospitalization rates now through April than during the summer.

So hockey games are getting hospitalized with COVID or were the church people playing hockey and had to be hospitalized with their injuries?

[Cheapbas]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

A super spreader event to me would be a large number of people, packed shoulder to shoulder, yelling, screaming, laughing and no masks. I view it two ways, something that has already occurred (like the rose garden party) and something that has the potential to become one (like several presidential rallies where you could see people not adhering to standards in the backdrop).

There’s a concerted effort ongoing in this country to divide the country in two by promoting an “us vs them” strategy. They use terms like “ fear mongering” and “ fake news”, both terms heavily pushed by one side to accomplish this. It’s meant to promote an alternate set of facts they can sell so you to drive disbelief in the other side’s reporting.

When you disbelieve news about this virus, which not only kills but damages your organs enough your life expectancy can be shortened, it’s a concern for everyone in the villages

When a possible super spreader event turns out to not be one, it’s time to be thankful, not time to point fingers at the media.

[Don5154]

Huh?

Hospitals are starting to overflow across the country?

And you are getting your information from ?
:bigbow:

[CoachKandSportsguy]

For those who don't believe states running out of beds, acute care plus intensive care see the idaho state web site for utilization and utilization warning levels. . . COVID-19 Surveillance (https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/#hospitalizations-mortality)

Note the fastest increase is in acute care beds, and that the total threshold is approaching the critical 85% which means that there isn't enough beds for expected nursing capacity, staff and ICU beds for non covid expectations. . . and some proportion of acute care moves to intensive care. . . .

I read a tweet of a person I know, used to work in my past industry, and his brother in law is a med flight pilot:

Bro-in law is life flight pilot

His company is transporting COVID patients from UT and ID to hospitals in Portland because no more beds in those states

So what part of the hospitals running out of beds do you not believe? or are you just cherry picking numbers to support your belief, which is blatant confirmation bias, the basis of idealogues. . . or you just listen to demagogues because you can't adapt to new or change. . .

And how much data and hospital experience do you all really have? or are you using your expert google degree? The mis-use of information by both media and government is so blatant when you are privy to actual hospital data by named individual, as my wife does. And I have done data analytics / forecasting for a living for the last 30 years, and easily see cherry picking data to represent their reality, which means that they want a certain reality or outcome. . .

The other problem of the deniers, is that when the surge does come, like in Oklahoma a few months earlier, most conveniently forget and move on to the next idealogue confirmation stat, which is always take out of context with incorrect context. . .

must be the bubble effect. . .

[mydavid]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact. Wait for it!!!

[MandoMan]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

This is true of media with many different slants. Some are much more accurate than others. Some tend to spread conspiracies. Many are alarmist. This is especially a problem with television news. For example, how many millions of people hours have been wasted listening to alarmist news about Tropical Storm Eta, which is supposedly passing overhead at this moment. There seems to be a mild breeze. There was a little rain yesterday.

I get my weather news online from Weather Underground, which seems to be the least alarmist and the most accurate. I don’t watch television news at all. I avoid both left wing and right wing news sources, and for what is in the middle, if I see a slant in the reporting, I take it into account and DIScount it.

We have certainly seen the virus spread in groups small and large, from the motorcycle rally in Sturgis to funerals to home cooked meals for the extended family to the White House. Who knows where and when? If you went to the rally at the polo field and didn’t get sick, count your blessings. You took a risk, and you got away with it. I know too many people who have gotten sick, and some have died. I don’t want to be among that number. I’m looking forward to getting vaccinated, then trying to return to normal.

[Joorn59]

If you follow the Florida data> average new cases IN OUR ZIP CODE (32162) per week had been 20 since mid summer. After the rally the average weekly number has risen to 30 (week of October 25th) to 36 (week of November 1). We’re trending up so be very careful.
Fla data link below

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429/)

[Bay Kid]

If you follow the Florida data> average new cases IN OUR ZIP CODE (32162) per week had been 20 since mid summer. After the rally the average weekly number has risen to 30 (week of October 25th) to 36 (week of November 1). We’re trending up so be very careful.
Fla data link below

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429/)

New and returning people. Hopefully none died.

[Mrprez]

If you follow the Florida data> average new cases IN OUR ZIP CODE (32162) per week had been 20 since mid summer. After the rally the average weekly number has risen to 30 (week of October 25th) to 36 (week of November 1). We’re trending up so be very careful.
Fla data link below

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429/)

What is the death rate? Overall in Fl, the death rate is down.

[Rosebud1949]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.
Yes there have been several positive cases which have cancelled softball and other activities, not only from the "rallies" but also folk going outside the villages for events and returning.

This is a HIDDEN virus, you cannot see it, you may not suffer from it, but you can easily pass it on . Wearing a mask shows CARING about other folk and family getting it. So far the "I will NOT wear one attitude" has killed 240,000.A sad reflection on the folk in 2020.

[Mardarlowe]

Great post. The truth hurts.

[Singerlady]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

Don’t know what constitutes a superspreader, BUT...there have been 239 more cases and 5 more deaths since 10/25. (The rally was 10/23) Superspreader or not, the 5 deaths may have been unavoidable. Yes, we do not know if these five people were at the rally or exposed to someone with the virus who attended the virus or got it somewhere else. Any organized event be it a protest or a rally are not a smart idea at this time. The focus here should be to contain the virus by doing SMALL things like wearing masks, social distancing and avoiding large gatherings. Rallies fall in to that last category. Plz help stem this virus...1more death or millions! Don’t be selfish.

[Singerlady]

A super spreader event to me would be a large number of people, packed shoulder to shoulder, yelling, screaming, laughing and no masks. I view it two ways, something that has already occurred (like the rose garden party) and something that has the potential to become one (like several presidential rallies where you could see people not adhering to standards in the backdrop).

There’s a concerted effort ongoing in this country to divide the country in two by promoting an “us vs them” strategy. They use terms like “ fear mongering” and “ fake news”, both terms heavily pushed by one side to accomplish this. It’s meant to promote an alternate set of facts they can sell so you to drive disbelief in the other side’s reporting.

When you disbelieve news about this virus, which not only kills but damages your organs enough your life expectancy can be shortened, it’s a concern for everyone in the villages

When a possible super spreader event turns out to not be one, it’s time to be thankful, not time to point fingers at the media.

I liken these COVID non-believers to having teenage brains. Teenagers don’t think beyond the end of their nose. They don’t think to the future. They think about what is in front of them, what gives them immediate pleasure and what they want to do. They are selfish. That is just them. Sound familiar?

[JanetMM]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

The ************* online announced that tri-county area shows jump in Covid cases. So it is as expected after an event such as this.

[jbrown132]

I know all the news is slanted... I get all my TRUE NEWS from trumps tweets :1rotfl: :1rotfl:
Maybe the super spreader events are not the rallies. Maybe the supper spreader events are the fools who sit around getting hammered at the bars at places like City Fire, Red Sauce and a number of other establishments like all the country clubs that have happy hours. If and when it does hit TV this is where it will most likely start. Then you can tune into CNN and MSNBC because that is a story they will report on unlike so many of those they ignored.

[PennyAnn]

Two more local residents have died of COVID-19 as the tri-county area continued to show a steady increase in cases on Wednesday.

One of the latest fatalities was from Sumter County and the other one was from Lake County. They were identified by the Florida Department of Health as:

66-year-old Lake County man who tested positive Oct. 31; and
81-year-old Sumter County man who tested positive Oct. 16.

Twenty-three new COVID-19 cases were reported Wednesday in and around The Villages. Those include:

The Villages (Sumter, Lake and Marion counties) up seven for a total of 893;
Leesburg up seven for a total of 1,527;
Lady Lake up three for a total of 408;
Belleview up three for a total of 412;
Summerfield up two for a total of 472; and
Fruitland Park up one for a total of 212.

Sumter County is now reporting 3,108 cases – an increase of 12 from Tuesday to Wednesday – among 1,763 men, 1,314 women, 14 non-residents and 17 people listed as unknown. A total of 225 cases have been reported in long-term care centers and 803 in correctional facilities. There have been 89 deaths and 300 people treated in area hospitals.

[tedquick]

Swoop, there is a lot of truth to your post. It is sad, but it is true.

[lkagele]

I read a tweet of a person I know, used to work in my past industry, and his brother in law is a med flight pilot:

Bro-in law is life flight pilot

His company is transporting COVID patients from UT and ID to hospitals in Portland because no more beds in those states

And how much data and hospital experience do you all really have? or are you using your expert google degree? The mis-use of information by both media and government is so blatant when you are privy to actual hospital data by named individual, as my wife does. And I have done data analytics / forecasting for a living for the last 30 years, and easily see cherry picking data to represent their reality, which means that they want a certain reality or outcome. . .

The other problem of the deniers, is that when the surge does come, like in Oklahoma a few months earlier, most conveniently forget and move on to the next idealogue confirmation stat, which is always take out of context with incorrect context. . .

must be the bubble effect. . .

Maybe some truth to the argument but it falls apart and loses credibility with the use of a tweet from someone who relies on his brother-in-law.

[lkagele]

If you follow the Florida data> average new cases IN OUR ZIP CODE (32162) per week had been 20 since mid summer. After the rally the average weekly number has risen to 30 (week of October 25th) to 36 (week of November 1). We’re trending up so be very careful.
Fla data link below

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429/)

So, how many of those in the 'trending up' group actually attended the rally?

[PaulinTV]

Don’t know what constitutes a superspreader, BUT...there have been 239 more cases and 5 more deaths since 10/25. (The rally was 10/23) Superspreader or not, the 5 deaths may have been unavoidable. Yes, we do not know if these five people were at the rally or exposed to someone with the virus who attended the virus or got it somewhere else. Any organized event be it a protest or a rally are not a smart idea at this time. The focus here should be to contain the virus by doing SMALL things like wearing masks, social distancing and avoiding large gatherings. Rallies fall in to that last category. Plz help stem this virus...1more death or millions! Don’t be selfish.

Maybe if our governmental leaders had...or....would put together a comprehensive testing and tracking plan we could determine where exposure came from, notify potentially exposed people, and minimize the numbers getting the virus and subsequent deaths......

[BlackhawksFan]

We still don't know everything about this virus. It can sometimes take longer for the spread to show up. The Sturgis biker rally is a good example. That area is really bad. For such a remote state, this can be the only reason why it's so bad right now.

Well that and Trump's Mount Rushmore event

[lkagele]

Yes there have been several positive cases which have cancelled softball and other activities, not only from the "rallies" but also folk going outside the villages for events and returning.

This is a HIDDEN virus, you cannot see it, you may not suffer from it, but you can easily pass it on . Wearing a mask shows CARING about other folk and family getting it. So far the "I will NOT wear one attitude" has killed 240,000.A sad reflection on the folk in 2020.

Tell that to the elderly that died in States where the governors signed orders sending infected patients back to nursing homes.

[44Apple]

This started as an anti-media post, a fake news post, a political post. Why is it still here?

[ts12755]

We use Fear to Control.... And it is working.

[benj]

I wish all you mask wearers would go back in your caves and shiver in the darkness. The rest of us will go on building our lives and families and society. Then when you feel safe you can come out. Be careful though you might catch a cold.

[dnptrll]

Are people all so naïve to think that a rally is the only possible source of Covid-19 infection? Everyone who attended gatherings, rallies , also protests had lives out side those events.

Meanwhile, what happened to all of those protests/riots? They seem to have disappeared overnight. Are the topics resolved? Is everything wonderful in Seattle? Portland?
Were they all politically financed?

[KRM0614]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.
They read scripts and not journalists ! You can turn on ABC NBC CBS exact garbage said in the exact same order

[Lil GTO]

Exactly correct

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

[jimjamuser]

Where are you getting that “news” from? Here is a link to the CDC site showing the percentage of occupied ICU beds across the USA. These numbers fall into the same normal range as you would have without the Coronavirus.
https://healthdata.gov/sites/default/files/estimated_icu_20201108_2221.csv
Another example of main stream media spreading false information as facts...
Hospitals in the midwest ARE all worried about overflowing. Northwest Wisconsin hospitals ARE filled up. Illinois is putting up tent hospitals. North Dakota hospitals are to the point of deciding life or death by having to pick the better candidates for treatment. It is all over EVERY TV channel. There are about 150,000 cases nationwide today. TV Land has been lucky so far. But, we are relaxing our defenses individually (COVID fatigue) and NOT limiting indoor gatherings like they are in northern states. Many states have mask mandates. Florida NEEDS ONE! Stay lucky TV Land.

[jimjamuser]

The weather now in FL is less conducive for virus spreading. which is great, more outdoor life, less air conditioning and indoor activities. Up North in New England, a week long church event put a couple dozen people in the hospital as well as some ice hockey games. And the hospitalizations are starting to rise without any super spreader events, due to more conducive weather for spreading, drier air and indoor activities. In TV, I would expect less hospitalization rates now through April than during the summer.
Sorry, I expect more.

[jimjamuser]

@swoop - that's just part of the hospitalization data, ICU, covid also takes up acute care beds, where most people go first, which added on top of normal acute care bed usage, is overflowing the hospitals. . . So your story isn't the complete picture either, cherry picking facts.

sportsguy
Right about that one, Good job!

[bimmertl]

They read scripts and not journalists ! You can turn on ABC NBC CBS exact garbage said in the exact same order

My primary news source indicates we have rounded the curve and the epidemic ended the day after the election and we have now returned to normal life!

[coffeebean]

The politicians now say they want to spread out the virus over a long time and are finally admitting that a huge percentage of the population will eventually get the virus. Since this is the case, why not get it over sooner than later. Time to start living your life instead of living in fear.

Why expose a huge percentage of the population to the virus when a vaccine is so close to reality. It does not make sense to have the huge amount of deaths it would take to develop herd immunity naturally?

We should all hang in there a while longer for the safe way to achieve herd immunity with the vaccine. In the meantime, follow the CDC guidelines to do your part to slow the spread of the virus. There are too many people out there that do not believe in the CDC guidelines and look at where we are right now in this pandemic. Hospitals are becoming over whelmed not to mention our health care workers and first responders are are not only stressed out but can not keep up the pace to care for our sick. I can not believe this is the America we have right now. It is more like a nightmarish hell.

[jimjamuser]

The politicians now say they want to spread out the virus over a long time and are finally admitting that a huge percentage of the population will eventually get the virus. Since this is the case, why not get it over sooner than later. Time to start living your life instead of living in fear.
That IS all wrong! Look at OTHER countries. Australia and New Zealand contained their CV relatively easily by just using simple early preparation and taking it seriously. They recognized it, then dealt with it. WE as a country TRIED to ignore it. And the US population has absorbed propaganda designed to ignore the problem. WE here in TV Land are JUST beginning to accept REALITY. This thread is about patting each other on the back and trying DESPERATELY to justify ignoring the problem by saying, "all my friends are ignoring it"! This is desperate and just strange propaganda being repeated. Back in April, the cases started increasing - now they are 150,000. Time to wake up TV Land - the rest of America is FINALLY starting to wake up. I am saying this to help YOU survive. It is up to YOU if you want to continue with this denial.

[jimjamuser]

A super spreader event to me would be a large number of people, packed shoulder to shoulder, yelling, screaming, laughing and no masks. I view it two ways, something that has already occurred (like the rose garden party) and something that has the potential to become one (like several presidential rallies where you could see people not adhering to standards in the backdrop).

There’s a concerted effort ongoing in this country to divide the country in two by promoting an “us vs them” strategy. They use terms like “ fear mongering” and “ fake news”, both terms heavily pushed by one side to accomplish this. It’s meant to promote an alternate set of facts they can sell so you to drive disbelief in the other side’s reporting.

When you disbelieve news about this virus, which not only kills but damages your organs enough your life expectancy can be shortened, it’s a concern for everyone in the villages

When a possible super spreader event turns out to not be one, it’s time to be thankful, not time to point fingers at the media.
Thanks for a GREAT post. Well written. And people complaining about "LOGIC" can study this post because it just OOZES logic.

[jimjamuser]

For those who don't believe states running out of beds, acute care plus intensive care see the idaho state web site for utilization and utilization warning levels. . . COVID-19 Surveillance (https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/#hospitalizations-mortality)

Note the fastest increase is in acute care beds, and that the total threshold is approaching the critical 85% which means that there isn't enough beds for expected nursing capacity, staff and ICU beds for non covid expectations. . . and some proportion of acute care moves to intensive care. . . .

I read a tweet of a person I know, used to work in my past industry, and his brother in law is a med flight pilot:

Bro-in law is life flight pilot

His company is transporting COVID patients from UT and ID to hospitals in Portland because no more beds in those states

So what part of the hospitals running out of beds do you not believe? or are you just cherry picking numbers to support your belief, which is blatant confirmation bias, the basis of idealogues. . . or you just listen to demagogues because you can't adapt to new or change. . .

And how much data and hospital experience do you all really have? or are you using your expert google degree? The mis-use of information by both media and government is so blatant when you are privy to actual hospital data by named individual, as my wife does. And I have done data analytics / forecasting for a living for the last 30 years, and easily see cherry picking data to represent their reality, which means that they want a certain reality or outcome. . .

The other problem of the deniers, is that when the surge does come, like in Oklahoma a few months earlier, most conveniently forget and move on to the next idealogue confirmation stat, which is always take out of context with incorrect context. . .

must be the bubble effect. . .
One of the all-time best posts that I have read here. Kudos!

[coffeebean]

Maybe if our governmental leaders had...or....would put together a comprehensive testing and tracking plan we could determine where exposure came from, notify potentially exposed people, and minimize the numbers getting the virus and subsequent deaths......

I was extremely disappointed when the White House refused to contact trace after the Rose Garden super spreader event. That is pure negligence on the administration's part. What kind of example are they setting for America? I'm actually embarrassed for their total disregard for this global pandemic.

[coffeebean]

I wish all you mask wearers would go back in your caves and shiver in the darkness. The rest of us will go on building our lives and families and society. Then when you feel safe you can come out. Be careful though you might catch a cold.

Thank you for putting our economy in jeopardy. Thank you for messing up the openings of schools. Thank you for your effort to achieve herd immunity the unsafe way. It is people with your POV that are making America the laughing stock of the world. Thank you for that too.

[jimjamuser]

Maybe if our governmental leaders had...or....would put together a comprehensive testing and tracking plan we could determine where exposure came from, notify potentially exposed people, and minimize the numbers getting the virus and subsequent deaths......
That is exactly the playbook for handling an epidemic. It is exactly what Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and Germany have successfully done to minimize CV. And what exactly the US did NOT accomplish. It is ALMOST as if we purposefully ignored it. Just like many people posting on this threat are repeating the merits of DENIAL. It is MASS denial. Almost as strange as that kool-aid tragedy.

[jimjamuser]

My primary news source indicates we have rounded the curve and the epidemic ended the day after the election and we have now returned to normal life!
I am going to give the benefit of doubt to that statement and label it sarcasm. Otherwise?????

[jimjamuser]

Why expose a huge percentage of the population to the virus when a vaccine is so close to reality. It does not make sense to have the huge amount of deaths it would take to develop herd immunity naturally?

We should all hang in there a while longer for the safe way to achieve herd immunity with the vaccine. In the meantime, follow the CDC guidelines to do your part to slow the spread of the virus. There are too many people out there that do not believe in the CDC guidelines and look at where we are right now in this pandemic. Hospitals are becoming over whelmed not to mention our health care workers and first responders are are not only stressed out but can not keep up the pace to care for our sick. I can not believe this is the America we have right now. It is more like a nightmarish hell.
I have felt the same way for years now.

[jimjamuser]

I was extremely disappointed when the White House refused to contact trace after the Rose Garden super spreader event. That is pure negligence on the administration's part. What kind of example are they setting for America? I'm actually embarrassed for their total disregard for this global pandemic.
Agreed!

[coffeebean]

I was a bit harsh in my above post. I do not discount the actions taken by our government early on in the pandemic. It is just that their actions as of late are abysmal.

[newgirl]

The Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

[newgirl]

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I heard over 400 have died from covid that was traced back to these rally. I guess it is who you believe, the scientists or fox tv.

[Pairadocs]

"Selling fear and manipulating people.... in spades"


Some people are exceedingly accomplished at doing this.

Yes, they ARE, that is an actually fact; that many are skilled at manipulation and emotional people are especially vulnerable !

But it can be over come if/when people conquer their emotional reactions (with professional help or can be done on their own with practice), and begin to verify ( don't look to Facebook for their facts, or even the CDC which revered gears again yesterday on exactly what masks can and can not do), but one CAN begin a routine of thinking rationally, not emotionally.

[coffeebean]

Yes, they ARE, that is an actually fact; that many are skilled at manipulation and emotional people are especially vulnerable !

But it can be over come if/when people conquer their emotional reactions (with professional help or can be done on their own with practice), and begin to verify ( don't look to Facebook for their facts, or even the CDC which revered gears again yesterday on exactly what masks can and can not do), but one CAN begin a routine of thinking rationally, not emotionally.

My take, and I may be incorrect in my thinking is this......
It takes time to conduct scientific trials and maybe the CDC has been conducting trials on different types of masks and how protective they are for the wearer and how they also perform as source control. They have some scientific answers recently and have shared those answers with the public. I'm glad science continues to do what they do best and that is conduct experiments and trials. Then answers change as more and more is known about any given subject. Thank you science and those who have devoted their lives to science.

[jaj523]

Nowhere can I find the total of deaths for The Villages alone. Is this a big secret? Sumter, Marion, and Lake County stats are available. Why not death and hospitalization stats for The Villages?

[Swoop]

I heard over 400 have died from covid that was traced back to these rally. I guess it is who you believe, the scientists or fox tv.

Where did you “hear” it from?

[Sherry8bal]

That's because people still watch FAKE NEWS CNN, etc. and believe all the lies they spready day in, day out. After 4 years of their crap, you would think they would have the intelligence to switch the channel or turn it off!

[NorskiCroat]

That's because people still watch FAKE NEWS CNN, etc. and believe all the lies they spready day in, day out. After 4 years of their crap, you would think they would have the intelligence to switch the channel or turn it off!

Spoken like a true believer. The election was rigged. Mexico will pay for the wall. We're turning the corner. And all those deaths? The corpses tell no lies.

[Bonnevie]

That's because people still watch FAKE NEWS CNN, etc. and believe all the lies they spready day in, day out. After 4 years of their crap, you would think they would have the intelligence to switch the channel or turn it off!

unlike Fox where Tucker Carlson successfully defended a defamation suit by saying no one should expect truth from his show. or as Fox lawyers put it: Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "

[Bonnevie]

I wish all you mask wearers would go back in your caves and shiver in the darkness. The rest of us will go on building our lives and families and society. Then when you feel safe you can come out. Be careful though you might catch a cold.

and I wish all those who choose to ignore science at least not insult those that do. but as the great Mick Jagger once said "you can't always get what you want"

[Pmarlow]

Maybe if our governmental leaders had...or....would put together a comprehensive testing and tracking plan we could determine where exposure came from, notify potentially exposed people, and minimize the numbers getting the virus and subsequent deaths......
Why don’t you move to China? You should fit right into their system. They identified those who had the virus locked them up to keep them from contaminated anyone else. Only thing you forgot is to hide the facts from the rest of the people. Small oversight on your part.

[PugMom]

good thread. entertaining & informative. thx to all who posted links

[jimjamuser]

That's because people still watch FAKE NEWS CNN, etc. and believe all the lies they spready day in, day out. After 4 years of their crap, you would think they would have the intelligence to switch the channel or turn it off!
So CNN is the spready FAKE News. That is very original.

[Cheiro]

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

While the statistics I saw were not broken out by individual rally, they did indicate as of last weekend, just over 12,000 cases and almost 700 deaths have been traced to the rally's so far and considering the exponential rise of numbers presently occurring, more is likely to occur.

[Cheiro]

So CNN is the spready FAKE News. That is very original.

Since CNN has been broadcasting since 1980, not sure how they could have survived as a world-wide news organization if they were really fake. However, if it comforts you to think so...."d'Nile is not just a river in Egypt.

[bimmertl]

I am going to give the benefit of doubt to that statement and label it sarcasm. Otherwise?????

You nailed it, 100% sarcasm!!

[Bill14564]

While the statistics I saw were not broken out by individual rally, they did indicate as of last weekend, just over 12,000 cases and almost 700 deaths have been traced to the rally's so far and considering the exponential rise of numbers presently occurring, more is likely to occur.

*Another* "study" by a department of economics using statistical modeling to assume a large number of Covid cases then using average death rates to draw a conclusion about the number of deaths? Sounds very similar to the "study" done after Sturgis by another group of economists.

I wonder if even one single case out of these 12,000 was actually traced back to rally.

[canyonblue]

Since CNN has been broadcasting since 1980, not sure how they could have survived as a world-wide news organization if they were really fake. However, if it comforts you to think so...."d'Nile is not just a river in Egypt.

Well they do seem to have the Airport audience as their top demographic.

[Swoop]

While the statistics I saw were not broken out by individual rally, they did indicate as of last weekend, just over 12,000 cases and almost 700 deaths have been traced to the rally's so far and considering the exponential rise of numbers presently occurring, more is likely to occur.

“The researchers used a statistical model to extrapolate infections tied to 18 rallies, and the study’s figures were not based on individual cases traced directly to particular campaign events.”
In other words, there is zero direct evidence. This is just a model applied to the number of people who attended the rallies. None were actually traced to any of the participants of the rallies...

[Sparky25]

If you want to know the facts read on the front page of today’s Daily Sun November 13 that states that there has been a 35% increase in the past 30 days in inpatient hospitalizations here in Florida according to Florida Health care officials.