Let's hope for a Sumter County mask mandate

[Advogado]

Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!

[Gulfcoast]

I don't see all of Sumter county going for mandates but I could see how there might be demand for a new contained "social distancing" village with strict rules on masks, 14 day in house quarantines for guests and after residents return from travel, stepped up sanitizing procedures, enhanced store/restaurant/pharmacy delivery options. There seems to be a market for this sort of lifestyle and the developers should take advantage of the demand.

[Brownmoose13]

I have no problem with wearing a mask in public places but I am tired of hearing from all the "experts", none of which have any answers. Last time I looked there were about 10 "experts" for every person that has died.
I looked at the numbers for yesterday and there were 12 cases of Covid in Sumter County.

[graciegirl]

Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!

What is the use of rules that cannot be enforced. Most of us are following all of the suggestions to the letter from the health authorities both Nationally and our own physicians. Any death is a disaster but deaths in Sumter County have risen very very slowly in the last two months, and I believe that is due to most residents being very aware of the risks.

[Advogado]

I have no problem with wearing a mask in public places but I am tired of hearing from all the "experts", none of which have any answers. Last time I looked there were about 10 "experts" for every person that has died.
I looked at the numbers for yesterday and there were 12 cases of Covid in Sumter County.
12 NEW cases yesterday. The total number is 3,108 and the number of deaths 89. Right now, the number of new cases is surging throughout the country.

[stanley]

I don't see all of Sumter county going for mandates but I could see how there might be demand for a new contained "social distancing" village with strict rules on masks, 14 day in house quarantines for guests and after residents return from travel, stepped up sanitizing procedures, enhanced store/restaurant/pharmacy delivery options. There seems to be a market for this sort of lifestyle and the developers should take advantage of the demand.

Yes a new village,...for "them"... I really like that idea.

[graciegirl]

12 NEW cases yesterday. The total number is 3,108 and the number of deaths 89. Right now, the number of new cases is surging throughout the country.

I saw on WESH 2 that Advent Hospital in Ocala is using the antibody treatment and the steroid therapy that was so successful for our President. I have not heard what our local hospital is using. We also have an effective vaccine in the very near future.


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[Brownmoose13]

12 NEW cases yesterday. The total number is 3,108 and the number of deaths 89. Right now, the number of new cases is surging throughout the country.

So please tell me which expert you listen/refer to and please do not mention Fauci as he has been a pinball on the issue.
As far as 89 deaths (which are too many) that is about 1 death every 3 days, probably behind cancer, heart attacks, etc.
When one of your "experts" has a definitive answer I will then listen as it seems not one of the 217 countries affected has any answers either. Until then I am trying not to live my life in fear or by numbers since it is later than I think

[Taltarzac725]

Any steps that people could try to mitigate the affects of the Corona Virus are those in the right direction.

[patfla06]

My wish is for people to wear the mask correctly.
Why do people wear it not covering their nose?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

How to "enforce" a mask mandate without fines or penalties:

Mandate it for any and all buildings that are open to the public, except AT tables in restaurants, mess halls, cafeterias, and in private stalls of public rest rooms (so you and the guy next to you at the urinal have to have your masks on. If he goes into the stall with the door he can take his mask off).

And if someone objects, they can call the police. If the police come they can order you to either put the mask on, or leave the premises. If you refuse - then you get arrested for trespassing. Remember all public places of business reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - as long as they don't violate civil rights. And you don't have the constitutional right to not wear a mask. It's just not in that document.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

My wish is for people to wear the mask correctly.
Why do people wear it not covering their nose?

I don't know. I feel like telling them "y'know, if you're not going to wear it right, just take it off and be done with it."

Seriously - admit that you don't give a heck about the consideration of other people, and stop pretending. Wearing a mask under your nose is just insulting. I'm less insulted when you don't wear one at all. Then at least I know you're being honest about your inconsideration.

[tophcfa]

My wish is for people to wear the mask correctly.
Why do people wear it not covering their nose?

Totally agree, and don't put a single layer bandana over your face and claim you are wearing a mask. A mask needs to be a minimum three layers of tightly woven cloth, fitting tightly across both the nose and mouth. If it doesn't instantly fog your glasses, then it is either not an effective mask, or you are not wearing it properly.

[Advogado]

So please tell me which expert you listen/refer to and please do not mention Fauci as he has been a pinball on the issue.
As far as 89 deaths (which are too many) that is about 1 death every 3 days, probably behind cancer, heart attacks, etc.
When one of your "experts" has a definitive answer I will then listen as it seems not one of the 217 countries affected has any answers either. Until then I am trying not to live my life in fear or by numbers since it is later than I think
Please go to the World Health Organization website. They have an extensive explanation of the importance of masks in containing the spread of the virus.

[Advogado]

What is the use of rules that cannot be enforced. Most of us are following all of the suggestions to the letter from the health authorities both Nationally and our own physicians. Any death is a disaster but deaths in Sumter County have risen very very slowly in the last two months, and I believe that is due to most residents being very aware of the risks.
Yes, most residents are aware, but enough residents are not wearing masks in public so that we run the risk of a real disaster here as the number of cases surges nationwide.

[Advogado]

How to "enforce" a mask mandate without fines or penalties:

Mandate it for any and all buildings that are open to the public, except AT tables in restaurants, mess halls, cafeterias, and in private stalls of public rest rooms (so you and the guy next to you at the urinal have to have your masks on. If he goes into the stall with the door he can take his mask off).

And if someone objects, they can call the police. If the police come they can order you to either put the mask on, or leave the premises. If you refuse - then you get arrested for trespassing. Remember all public places of business reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - as long as they don't violate civil rights. And you don't have the constitutional right to not wear a mask. It's just not in that document.
You are right. There are ways to effectively require masks despite the inane DeSantis order. Note that it doesn't ban mask mandates but does ban fines and penalties for noncompliant individuals (but not for noncompliant businesses). Any ordinance would have to be carefully drafted, but first of all the County Commissioners have to decide to address the crisis.

[Pettys1]

Last I heard Dr Fauci was part of that organization

[Worldseries27]

my wish is for people to wear the mask correctly.
Why do people wear it not covering their nose?
ignorance

[Mikef99]

I hope for a mandate of no mandates.

[Worldseries27]

ignorance
sorry for deflected typing. Everything should be used to protect our citizenry. I propose signs near all the stores reminding all the patrons that if they mask up properly they are saving the villagers themselves as well as the visiting relatives of the same. Demonstrate that the mask wearer s are our first line of defense save someone's kids in addition to yours
do it for jesus.

[Rwirish]

Let’s hope not. Totally non enforceable.

[Worldseries27]

We need you to be part of the solution. You need it to. Ask yourself
the answers within
good luck

[Worldseries27]

This is where we all yell
may the force be with us
or
live long and prosper
let's help one another
lets prevail

[mrrmauu]

Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!

Mask mandates may help but I propose everyone be forced to wear a Level 1 Haz-mat suit outside of their homes. If we were really serious about this we wouldn’t waste time just wearing masks when there is a far safer alternative available. If anyone disagrees with me they must be ignorant because “the science” proves that a Level 1 Haz-mat suit is the best protection available!

[Scott O]

How to "enforce" a mask mandate without fines or penalties:

Mandate it for any and all buildings that are open to the public, except AT tables in restaurants, mess halls, cafeterias, and in private stalls of public rest rooms (so you and the guy next to you at the urinal have to have your masks on. If he goes into the stall with the door he can take his mask off).

And if someone objects, they can call the police. If the police come they can order you to either put the mask on, or leave the premises. If you refuse - then you get arrested for trespassing. Remember all public places of business reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - as long as they don't violate civil rights. And you don't have the constitutional right to not wear a mask. It's just not in that document.
If your so called mask protects you and your social distancing, pray tell, where is all the paranoia coming from? No need to fixate on others. Just stay home and the rest of us will go on with our lives...many of us work and are out there every day and if we harbored the constant fear and paranoia like so many, everything would be shut down...and how would that be working out for you? No stores, no gas stations, no restaurants, no MD offices, no financial institutions, no pharmacy, no nothing...be thankful that we are not of the same mindset as so many here...

[kenoc7]

So please tell me which expert you listen/refer to and please do not mention Fauci as he has been a pinball on the issue.
As far as 89 deaths (which are too many) that is about 1 death every 3 days, probably behind cancer, heart attacks, etc.
When one of your "experts" has a definitive answer I will then listen as it seems not one of the 217 countries affected has any answers either. Until then I am trying not to live my life in fear or by numbers since it is later than I think
That is an absurd statement about Fauci. He is the #1 expert I listen to because he admits that, as he and others have learned more about this novel (i.e, NEW) coronavirus, he has changed his advice. For.a very short period of time, he said masks weren't necessary but for the last seven months he (and every other public health expert) has been completely consistent on the need for mask wearing as the number one preventative measure.

[banjobob]

I have researched and found that people with underlying condition are the ones most prone to problems. Masks are a help but mandated everyone to wear one and to fine businesses is a total mistake. The vaccine is being made available in the very near future so these mandatory mask laws and other unconstitutional plans are needless.

[Dahabs]

So please tell me which expert you listen/refer to and please do not mention Fauci as he has been a pinball on the issue.
As far as 89 deaths (which are too many) that is about 1 death every 3 days, probably behind cancer, heart attacks, etc.
When one of your "experts" has a definitive answer I will then listen as it seems not one of the 217 countries affected has any answers either. Until then I am trying not to live my life in fear or by numbers since it is later than I think

So if I'm understanding you right, until the effects of this virus have been determined 100% you will not take any precautions? Good luck to you.

[oneclickplus]

How to "enforce" a mask mandate without fines or penalties:

Mandate it for any and all buildings that are open to the public, except AT tables in restaurants, mess halls, cafeterias, and in private stalls of public rest rooms (so you and the guy next to you at the urinal have to have your masks on. If he goes into the stall with the door he can take his mask off).

And if someone objects, they can call the police. If the police come they can order you to either put the mask on, or leave the premises. If you refuse - then you get arrested for trespassing. Remember all public places of business reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - as long as they don't violate civil rights. And you don't have the constitutional right to not wear a mask. It's just not in that document.

Neither is abortion but godless people say that is a right in the constitution ("it's just not in that document"). There is no way that anyone is going to force me to wear a mask when I'm outdoors (not in a building). You can demand rules for doing business in buildings. No government in the USA has the authority to demand that people wear a mask in public any more than it can force me to buy health insurance. "My body, my choice" as abortion advocates would say.

And, that position does not make me selfish or ignorant. That makes me an American.

[DrBrutyle109]

Experts..... please......there are a thousand differing opinions on the so called “experts”. Tell me the difference of being 6 feet from a person, or 6 foot and one inch. If your afraid, stay in your house and watch TV. I’d rather go out and live. I’m careful and wear a mask when “required”. If you want to wear one a ll the time, do so. I dont want a police officer to have to arrest somebody over a mask. Let’s worry about crime instead.

[ruralgoddess]

I have no problem with wearing a mask in public places but I am tired of hearing from all the "experts", none of which have any answers. Last time I looked there were about 10 "experts" for every person that has died.
I looked at the numbers for yesterday and there were 12 cases of Covid in Sumter County.
Reasons enough to wear a mask:

1100+ Americans died yesterday

159,496 new cases of covid diagnosed yesterday

[GrayFox1]

To bad you felt it necessary to include this sentence, it probably turns others off too: These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

[Girlcopper]

I don't see all of Sumter county going for mandates but I could see how there might be demand for a new contained "social distancing" village with strict rules on masks, 14 day in house quarantines for guests and after residents return from travel, stepped up sanitizing procedures, enhanced store/restaurant/pharmacy delivery options. There seems to be a market for this sort of lifestyle and the developers should take advantage of the demand.
Never will happen. Why would TV be the only area in the US to self quarantine after travel for residents and guests. Are you serious? There are plenty of other retirement communities so why would TV be “so special”. Wear your mask, social distance, mind your own business and take care of yourself. Dont worry about others, you wont change them

[dewilson58]

Another thread showing: Common Sense vs. Ignorance.



:ho:

[DanBrew]

I wear the stupid things out of respect for others, but implementing a law to force that is just plain silly. If you see someone without one on in a store, go the other way or perhaps lobby the store to mandate the wearing of masks in order to do business, but please keep the darned government out of our lives. It is like telling people they can't smoke. I don't flock to inhale someone's second hand smoke. I go the other way. That person has the right to smoke if they want to. If they follow me around, I then, as Steve Martin would have done, have the right to fart. I suppose the government should make a law against that as well?

[Mrmean58]

12 NEW cases yesterday. The total number is 3,108 and the number of deaths 89. Right now, the number of new cases is surging throughout the country.

Correction, cases are surging in parts of the country. With that being said, I see the biggest risk in the near future bring people traveling from those hot spots. So the question is how many of you have told family and friends to not visit through the end of the year or beyond. If we're talking about being responsible in an at risk community, that would be the responsible actions to take. Or will the overwhelming need to hug the grandkids prevail?
You have a choice to make.

[1948JDG]

I don't know. I feel like telling them "y'know, if you're not going to wear it right, just take it off and be done with it."

Seriously - admit that you don't give a heck about the consideration of other people, and stop pretending. Wearing a mask under your nose is just insulting. I'm less insulted when you don't wear one at all. Then at least I know you're being honest about your inconsideration.

Boy, Do I like your response.

[Scott O]

Neither is abortion but godless people say that is a right in the constitution ("it's just not in that document"). There is no way that anyone is going to force me to wear a mask when I'm outdoors (not in a building). You can demand rules for doing business in buildings. No government in the USA has the authority to demand that people wear a mask in public any more than it can force me to buy health insurance. "My body, my choice" as abortion advocates would say.

And, that position does not make me selfish or ignorant. That makes me an American.
Thank you...agree 100%

[bp243]

Please go to the World Health Organization website. They have an extensive explanation of the importance of masks in containing the spread of the virus.

Thank you! If anyone here knows of someone who has died alone in a hospital due to the virus then you know the seriousness of protecting yourself and those around you with a mask and social distancing.

[mrf6969]

My wish is for people to wear the mask correctly.
Why do people wear it not covering their nose?
Remember that some folks have COPD or are claustrophobic. Have some compassion.

[gmpipi@aol.com]

Bravo!!!!!!!!!

[jbrown132]

What I have never understood about this is the pressure is always on the people to wear masks (which I believe we should). The pressure should be put on the businesses. Real simple, no mask no entry. In larger businesses such a Publix, Walmart etc. there should be an employee at the door telling people no mask no entry. They could even provide a paper mask to people who may have forgotten theirs. If stores, restaurants and businesses started requiring the use of masks and enforcing the rule I think more people would get the message and would have no other choice but to carry one with them. Remember the days of no shirt no shoes no service. Worked pretty well.

[IUFAN]

KEEP IN MIND 2009 H1N1 pandemic. There were 60.8 million cases. I don't remember having a mask mandate. But that was not an election year. I have a friend that works in Atlanta in the hospital. They were told early on that no matter what a person dies from it would be recorded as Covid. The hospital would get 17k for a covid death and 5k for all other. One more example ....Friends of our went to get the covid test and signed the papers to get it done. After waiting for a long time decided to come back the next day. They left and was going to return the next day, but before they left the next day they got a call and was informed the test they took the previous day was positive. (no test was taken the previous day) I believe that we should respect the current flu, but I also believe we are being lead down a path of wrong info.

[mrf6969]

ignorance
Remember that some folks have COPD or are claustrophobic. Have some compassion.

[Beyond The Wall]

The ineffectiveness of mask, see NY,NJ, CN, makes a mask mandate suspect. If your afraid stay home. Don’t impose restrictions that have no science behind them

[DIver0258]

How can individuals blast government officials when we aren't privilaged to the information and other factors in their decisions. There are other concerns for our leaders other than just Covid 19 that weigh into their decisions. As far as a mandatory mask mandate, we have to be responsible for ourselves, wear a mask correctly, social distance, and limit close interaction. Making more laws will not force the masses to act in a compliant manner. Honestly no one is 100% what the solution to the pandemic is. Be a responsible adult and protect yourself and those close to you. Not everyone buys into what is happening because there is so much fake news and yellow journalism abounds.

[Garwood1]

I’ll listen to my Dr not one of the keyboard experts -period

[rlcooper70]

Thank you for the posting. Yes, the actions of leadership are important ... if we had adhered to the science would we have the type of spread we are seeing today? Or is our society's health tied to the actions of the least intelligent? Quite a commentary.

[Miguel 1952]

Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!


So if there is a mandate for face mask and social distancing, should there be also a mandate for vaccinating everyone?

[wdst1]

“Near future” means next March/April at the earliest. Do hold your breath.

[cegallup]

"This" is what we are coming to . . .MANDATES.
Like N.Y., N.J., Ca. - masks have become both a religion and a panacea. Admittedly, this is a complex problem. DEMANDING a specific therapy is quite onerous.AHow to "enforce" a mask mandate without fines or penalties:

Mandate it for any and all buildings that are open to the public, except AT tables in restaurants, mess halls, cafeterias, and in private stalls of public rest rooms (so you and the guy next to you at the urinal have to have your masks on. If he goes into the stall with the door he can take his mask off).

And if someone objects, they can call the police. If the police come they can order you to either put the mask on, or leave the premises. If you refuse - then you get arrested for trespassing. Remember all public places of business reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - as long as they don't violate civil rights. And you don't have the constitutional right to not wear a mask. It's just not in that document.

[jbrown132]

I have researched and found that people with underlying condition are the ones most prone to problems. Masks are a help but mandated everyone to wear one and to fine businesses is a total mistake. The vaccine is being made available in the very near future so these mandatory mask laws and other unconstitutional plans are needless.
Where in the constitution does it say you have a right not to wear a mask. It certainly is no in the Bill of Rights. But there is a statement in the preamble to the constitution that states “promote the general Welfare”, which I think the general welfare of the state and country would be for every able citizen to wear a mask and social distance until this pandemic is over. I go crazy listening to people who state it’s unconstitutional when they have probably never read the constitution a day in their lives.

[JanetMM]

When you don’t wear a mask it is like you are playing RUSSIAN ROULETTE. And if you want to play Russian roulette go right ahead. Does not bother me. But when you play LET’S SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES ME TO KILL MYSELF and you keep spinning that gun around the room at different people as you play that is where we need to draw the line. Anyone’s imaginary RIGHTS end when they interfere with the real RIGHTS of LIFE for anyone else. Don’t pull the rest of us into your game of RUSSIAN ROULETTE.

[hardwick2112@yahoo.com]

I have no issue with you wanting to stay inside wearing a mask until Covid-19 has been eradicated. It is a strain of the flu and at some point in everyone's lives we will get it. A lot is still unknown about the vaccine being developed, especially how long it will last. Do you take flu shot every year? It is around 60% effective and there is zero tracing. Thus, take whatever precautions you wish but do not mandate to EVERYONE how they should live their lives. We fought and died to be free and not live in a country like China whose government mandates EVERYTHING and still can't stop the spread of the virus. Live, just don't be stupid.

[Larchap49]

Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!
I want to be safe as much as the next person but I've had quite enough of government telling me how to live my life. If you want to wear a mask then do so, I do. If you want to quarantine yourself away from people then do that too. The CDC has now announced that sanitizing does no good. Seems the rules are constantly changing. The virus isn't going anywhere, you can hide all you want when you come out it will be waiting for you. Quarantining hasn't stopped it anywhere in the world. I choose to take precautions, go out and see my friends and enjoy the retirement I moved here for. I really don't need any government intervention to do that.

[CALiz]

Check Home - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/) and scroll down to the "Tracking" to see the graphs for each US state's COVID19 information.

Be informed and be smart. Take care.

[Hiltongrizz11]

You assume that all experts agree on the benefits of wearing a mask.
They DONT.

You assume that most Americans want the government ordering us around. We DONT.

[Hiltongrizz11]

You assume like another poster here that all experts agree that masks work.

All experts do NOT agree with mask wearing. In fact many have arguments that supports the dangers of mask wearing.

Whatever you believe don't arrogantly believe you are right.

[Travelhunter]

If your so called mask protects you and your social distancing, pray tell, where is all the paranoia coming from? No need to fixate on others. Just stay home and the rest of us will go on with our lives...many of us work and are out there every day and if we harbored the constant fear and paranoia like so many, everything would be shut down...and how would that be working out for you? No stores, no gas stations, no restaurants, no MD offices, no financial institutions, no pharmacy, no nothing...be thankful that we are not of the same mindset as so many here...

I wear a mask when performing the above
I hope you do also

[Wizie1949]

Thank you so much. I totally agree. I just wish that those who don’t believe in masks realize that it protects others and themselves. Stop being selfish please

[Travelhunter]

Neither is abortion but godless people say that is a right in the constitution ("it's just not in that document"). There is no way that anyone is going to force me to wear a mask when I'm outdoors (not in a building). You can demand rules for doing business in buildings. No government in the USA has the authority to demand that people wear a mask in public any more than it can force me to buy health insurance. "My body, my choice" as abortion advocates would say.

And, that position does not make me selfish or ignorant. That makes me an American.

Americans do not spread disease to others

[xcaligirl]

My wish is for people to wear the mask correctly.
Why do people wear it not covering their nose?
or on their CHIN!

[Travelhunter]

Where in the constitution does it say you have a right not to wear a mask. It certainly is no in the Bill of Rights. But there is a statement in the preamble to the constitution that states “promote the general Welfare”, which I think the general welfare of the state and country would be for every able citizen to wear a mask and social distance until this pandemic is over. I go crazy listening to people who state it’s unconstitutional when they have probably never read the constitution a day in their lives.

Very well said

[Hiltongrizz11]

You assume that all experts agree with mask wearing. They don't.
Therefore don't be so arrogant to dictate information that is wrong to experts and may be right to experts

[Travelhunter]

You assume that all experts agree with mask wearing. They don't.
Therefore don't be so arrogant to dictate information that is wrong to experts and may be right to experts

??????????

[ts12755]

Stay home if you are sick, and/or have an underlying illness. Sumter County has the healthiest seniors due to our active lifestyle. A lot of my friends and myself, all between 65 and 80 y/o have had Covid with mild symptoms and treated at home with otc meds. The death rate is down 85%, therapeutics and the vaccine are here. We don't need a mandate. We don't need fear and control. We also elected EMS. Let families live their lives. Let them work and go to school. Stop being so self centered.

[Indiana Randy]

If masks worked, why then need there be social distancing? If social distancing works, then why wear a mask?

I can not support a government regulation that takes away our freedom.

If those advocating that we all wear a mask were enlightened with the actual DEATH rate from Covid-19, perhaps the fear would be less and more rational informed decisions would be made.

[ScottS]

When you and people like you, ruin our economy because of over inflated numbers, my company will be buying homes in the Villages for .50 on the dollar..... here’s the problem with your false numbers directly from health care workers... people come in and test positive, then they return every day to test until they test negative all of those tests get reported as positive tests, even though it’s the same person with the same original positive test. The death rate in the Villages hasn’t changed percentage wise from last year or previous years! The Villages is growing like crazy! More people equal more deaths. Common sense people common sense. Stop being sheep.

[richs631]

Speak for yourself. If your afraid, stay home

[ScottS]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Singerlady]

Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!

Thank you for putting it so logically! I agree wholeheartedly!

[Sailohio]

Reasons enough to wear a mask:

1100+ Americans died yesterday

159,496 new cases of covid diagnosed yesterday

I hate to tell you this but 1100 people die everyday. The fact is the total number of deaths are less this year than last year. People DO die. It is my opinion that our community has been better than most at social distancing and mask wearing. According to the experts, if someone without a mask walks nearby just distance yourself from that person. You will be as safe as if they had a mask on.

[Singerlady]

I have no problem with wearing a mask in public places but I am tired of hearing from all the "experts", none of which have any answers. Last time I looked there were about 10 "experts" for every person that has died.
I looked at the numbers for yesterday and there were 12 cases of Covid in Sumter County.
Here is the problem with the experts...this is very new virus! They don’t know EVERYTHING about it YET! They are making their recommendations based on their knowledge of viruses in general and what they have learned about this virus so far. I think we are intelligent enough to understand this. So, go with the flow, go with the experts recommendations, wear a mask which CANNOT HURT, and help your fellow family members, Friends and neighbors so we all can get out of this mess!

[NoMoSno]

Totally agree, and don't put a single layer bandana over your face and claim you are wearing a mask. A mask needs to be a minimum three layers of tightly woven cloth, fitting tightly across both the nose and mouth. If it doesn't instantly fog your glasses, then it is either not an effective mask, or you are not wearing it properly.
You should get a better mask if it fogs your glasses instantly.
It's leaking...

[Singerlady]

So please tell me which expert you listen/refer to and please do not mention Fauci as he has been a pinball on the issue.
As far as 89 deaths (which are too many) that is about 1 death every 3 days, probably behind cancer, heart attacks, etc.
When one of your "experts" has a definitive answer I will then listen as it seems not one of the 217 countries affected has any answers either. Until then I am trying not to live my life in fear or by numbers since it is later than I think

I too, am not living in fear. I am choosing to make wise decisions like wearing masks and social distancing, follow what the experts are telling me about their recommendations so far and trying to protect myself and you. Please be part of the solution instead of the problem.

[ScottS]

Probably the most uneducated, Ill researched response I’ve read so far. Keep up the fear mongering! Great job so far. These over inflated numbers for covid remind me of the latest attempt at an election.

[Singerlady]

If your so called mask protects you and your social distancing, pray tell, where is all the paranoia coming from? No need to fixate on others. Just stay home and the rest of us will go on with our lives...many of us work and are out there every day and if we harbored the constant fear and paranoia like so many, everything would be shut down...and how would that be working out for you? No stores, no gas stations, no restaurants, no MD offices, no financial institutions, no pharmacy, no nothing...be thankful that we are not of the same mindset as so many here...
Why should we stay home because of your opinion? We’re allowed to do what we NEED to do to go on with OUR lives, too! If ALL wore masks the proper way......we could bring this virus under control sooner.

[Singerlady]

Never will happen. Why would TV be the only area in the US to self quarantine after travel for residents and guests. Are you serious? There are plenty of other retirement communities so why would TV be “so special”. Wear your mask, social distance, mind your own business and take care of yourself. Dont worry about others, you wont change them
Why would The Villages be the only area in the US to self quarantine? Because we are smart. Because we care about others. Because we want to stem the virus sooner than later. Because we can. Because we could set a very good example for others.

[Singerlady]

I’ll listen to my Dr not one of the keyboard experts -period

Actually, I agree. At one of our last TeleMed appointments with our doctor she asked what we were and were not doing pertaining to Covid. We told her… Masks, social distancing, no eating in restaurants, being extremely careful. She said good because she has a lot of Covid patients and those with our conditions were not doing well. Enough for me!

[Deb H]

Totally agree. Seems like most of the residents of the Villages are good about wearing masks (other then the ones that crowd the bars but you can always make the choice to not go there). What really concerns me are the smaller non chain stores in the area where they do not wear masks. I am choosing not to shop there when possible.

[DaveZ]

While I will always agree that unchecked and unlimited government overreach is a threat to our liberty, there is precedent as well as a moral obligation for it to protect its citizenry from present danger. In particular, danger from other, uncaring and self centered citizens common in a free society founded on doing what is best for ourselves as individuals. Car insurance is a good example as are seat belt laws or wearing clothing. It has been argued especially by people who love to argue, that despite the obvious protections these provide , they are government overreach. Like masks, seatbelt safety was argued and often protested and still is to a lesser degree. Confirmation bias can be so stubborn in some people that it takes the experience of being ejected from a vehicle to accept the obvious albeit too late to make use of the wisdom. Refuting the obvious and stubbornness about simply wearing a mask is fun for people who love to argue. When pressed, would they send a loved one (which may only be themselves) into a room with a Covid patient without a mask? I doubt it very much. The truth is that not even stubborn, argumentative guardians of freedom can tell if someone in a restaurant has Covid. No disrespect and in good company, Ben Franklin once argued against vaccines until he lost a son to Small Pox.

[Singerlady]

If masks worked, why then need there be social distancing? If social distancing works, then why wear a mask?

I can not support a government regulation that takes away our freedom.

If those advocating that we all wear a mask were enlightened with the actual DEATH rate from Covid-19, perhaps the fear would be less and more rational informed decisions would be made.
Hey, dummy....you have those freedoms BECAUSE of our government!

[Indydealmaker]

If it does fog your glasses, then it means that you are exhaling unfiltered air.

[Joe C.]

If I follow all that the CDC, WHO, and the government say to do, and I die from COVID, can my wife file a lawsuit against them?
If they have the authority to “require” my adhering to their desires, then they have the “responsibility” to keep me safe.
Of course they can’t do that....... so just recommend, and leave me alone.
Wearing a mask, when and where is a personal choice.

[Andyb]

First, I think masks have become a false security, besides becoming extremely political. One CDC study shows more cases with people wearing masks than not. My opinion is if you fear COVID that much, your best option is to stay home and try not to impose unjustified regulations on others.

[merrymini]

I love hearing from people who are so willing to give up their freedoms.
I love hearing from people who love to tell others what to do.
I love hearing from “experts” who do not know their elbow from their you know what.
I love hearing from people who will send me to jail but allow looters to walk free.
I love hearing from people who have allowed a heavily biased media take over their lives.
Go ahead hide.

[Manhoopty]

Seriously???? The WHO??? Seriously????

[coffeebean]

Totally agree, and don't put a single layer bandana over your face and claim you are wearing a mask. A mask needs to be a minimum three layers of tightly woven cloth, fitting tightly across both the nose and mouth. If it doesn't instantly fog your glasses, then it is either not an effective mask, or you are not wearing it properly.
My cloth masks are not three layers of fabric but are either one layer or two layers of fabric. All of my cloth masks and paper surgical masks do block droplets when I checked them with a water spritzer and spritzed the water onto the mask in front of a mirror. Not one droplet of water got through the cloth and my mirror stayed completely dry. I spritzed water onto the mask after it was all wet from the initial spritzing and it still did not allow any droplets to get through to the mirror. I'm happy with those results and I feel I'm doing my part to keep my aerosols and droplets from escaping my mask when I'm in public spaces.

Three layers seems like it would be too difficult to easily breathe through. I still want to enjoy life while I wear my mask.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

So please tell me which expert you listen/refer to and please do not mention Fauci as he has been a pinball on the issue.
As far as 89 deaths (which are too many) that is about 1 death every 3 days, probably behind cancer, heart attacks, etc.
When one of your "experts" has a definitive answer I will then listen as it seems not one of the 217 countries affected has any answers either. Until then I am trying not to live my life in fear or by numbers since it is later than I think

I asked the "Google Assistant" for a comparison of 2019 total deaths vs 2020 total deaths and the current total is behind 2019. While it may exceed 2019, it appears we are on pace. Why were there no mask mandates last year? 🤔

[Advogado]

I have researched and found that people with underlying condition are the ones most prone to problems. Masks are a help but mandated everyone to wear one and to fine businesses is a total mistake. The vaccine is being made available in the very near future so these mandatory mask laws and other unconstitutional plans are needless.
Yes, progress in vaccine is good news, but apparently it will not be available for everyone until the end of next year. In addition, it reportedly is 90% effective, which means that one in ten people (33 million Americans) who get it will not be protected. In other words, we will be dealing with the virus for a long time, and thousands of Americans will be needlessly dying because of the obstinate and irrational refusal of some people to wear a mask in public and the failure of some of our politicians to require masks in public.

[DaveZ]

First, I think masks have become a false security, besides becoming extremely political. One CDC study shows more cases with people wearing masks than not. My opinion is if you fear COVID that much, your best option is to stay home and try not to impose unjustified regulations on others.

Which is the worse assault on freedom, requiring a mask or forcing people to stay home because you won’t wear one? We may find out. Here’s to hoping that your passion for freedom is consistent when lockdowns are used to keep you at home as well.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If your so called mask protects you and your social distancing, pray tell, where is all the paranoia coming from? No need to fixate on others. Just stay home and the rest of us will go on with our lives...many of us work and are out there every day and if we harbored the constant fear and paranoia like so many, everything would be shut down...and how would that be working out for you? No stores, no gas stations, no restaurants, no MD offices, no financial institutions, no pharmacy, no nothing...be thankful that we are not of the same mindset as so many here...

Do you look both ways before you cross the street? If so, why? Are you giving into the fear that the driver of the car is going to hit you? How paranoid of you.

Do you turn the light on when you go to the bathroom in the evening? Why? Are you afraid the spiders will crawl on your legs if you try to sit down in the dark? Or are you afraid you won't remember where the toilet paper is, and has been, for the past 20 years you've been living there?

We do a lot of things simply because it's a good idea to be cautious. Not fearful. Just cautious. Mask-wearing is one of those things. You don't have to be afraid of getting sick, to respect caution in the face of a pandemic.

[LYNNCHICK]

The laws of the land say ALL divers must wear seat belts or risk getting a ticket. Why then,are so many people saying that mandatory mask wearing is a violation of rights? I really do not get this mentality at all. People, get a grip and get smart! Wear the darn mask already and keep everyone safer! Just sayin........

[coffeebean]

To bad you felt it necessary to include this sentence, it probably turns others off too: These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

That statement did not bother me in the least. It is very true. I don't care if anyone does not value their own life, but I do most certainly care when they endanger others' lives. It also bothers me to see anyone willfully walking around without a mask because that shows me they do not care at all about our economy. Already, there are cities that are enforcing lock downs again with the current surge of cases and deaths. Anyone who can not see ahead that when they do not do their part to contain this virus, we all suffer, the economy suffers, schools suffer, our lives as we once knew it suffers. Think like a chess player and realize where this is going if we do not all do our part. Wear a mask and keep your distance from others.

[coffeebean]

Remember that some folks have COPD or are claustrophobic. Have some compassion.

Sorry they have those issues but, they should just stay home as it will much safer for them and others too.

[Ruggiero56]

Couldn’t agree more with Advogado. Rather than repeat his thoughts, let me just say to those who think mask wearing doesn’t do anything ... simply Google: WHO (or CDC) recommendations on mask wearing. People are certainly entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.

[Chitown]

“These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me)”. ————————————————� �———


WOW! Just as you feel so strongly about wearing your mask in public, I and all the neighbors and friends I associate with feel no need or fear to wearing a mask when visiting each other or walking outside. I had COVID in April when it was at its peak. Minor symptoms and I fully recovered without complications. I know of several relatives and friends who have had it all fully recovered with most with minor symptoms. All feel fine today. If you feel that you are that immune or medically compromised then wear your mask when out or stay home. Let’s get something straight. There will never be a time that any official will order me to wear a mask in Public. When will you realize that vaccine or no vaccine this virus will be with us for some time. 98% of people who get it will recover. I and my friends are seniors and lived through it chances are you or your family will as well. Again if your that sickly wear your mask outside or stay home otherwise stop the criticism of people that don’t think like you.

[Advogado]

I asked the "Google Assistant" for a comparison of 2019 total deaths vs 2020 total deaths and the current total is behind 2019. While it may exceed 2019, it appears we are on pace. Why were there no mask mandates last year? ������
It's great that you were curious enough to check, but I am not sure what you mean by "it appears we are on pace".

The CDC reports on its website: "From late January 2020 to early October 2020, the U.S. had 299,000 more deaths than during the same period in previous years." These "excess deaths" prove that there is absolutely no question that COVID-19 is killing people who would not have died anyway, but your statement could be read to imply that it is not.

As to why we didn't wear masks in 2019, the obvious answer is that, although COVID-19 started in 2019, we didn't have it here until 2020. However, wearing masks in 2019 would, indeed, have saved the lives of some people who died of respiratory illnesses. In Japan and some other Asian countries, people with a cold have traditionally worn a mask in public as a matter of courtesy to others.

[coffeebean]

KEEP IN MIND 2009 H1N1 pandemic. There were 60.8 million cases. I don't remember having a mask mandate. But that was not an election year. I have a friend that works in Atlanta in the hospital. They were told early on that no matter what a person dies from it would be recorded as Covid. The hospital would get 17k for a covid death and 5k for all other. One more example ....Friends of our went to get the covid test and signed the papers to get it done. After waiting for a long time decided to come back the next day. They left and was going to return the next day, but before they left the next day they got a call and was informed the test they took the previous day was positive. (no test was taken the previous day) I believe that we should respect the current flu, but I also believe we are being lead down a path of wrong info.

I pay no attention at all to the numbers of reported cases or deaths that are spewed all over news sources. I do, however, pay very close attention to the news stories of hospitals being at or very near capacity. I pay attention to news stories, with video proof, of refrigerated trailers for dead bodies. I pay attention to news stories with video proof that cities are setting up temporary hospital beds in parking lots. I pay attention when ICU beds are either at capacity or near capacity. I pay attention to news stories that report that health care workers are extremely stressed and are exhausted. I don't pay attention to numbers of cases or deaths but what I can actually see is happening in communities. This is our America? That is frightening.

[nhtexasrn]

This is weird to me....Elan Musk had 4 Covid tests in one day. Same place, same nurse, same technique....2 came back positive and 2 came back negative. I have heard of this happening to other people. I read an article about a nurse who sent several tests in that had never been used on a patient.....all came back positive. My confidence in the testing is not at all high. I don't see a point in getting tested if not having symptoms. I truly believe our numbers are skewed. That being said, I am taking as many measures as possible to stay safe but still live my life, and I WILL be observing Thanksgiving!

[Ruggiero56]

If your so called mask protects you and your social distancing, pray tell, where is all the paranoia coming from? No need to fixate on others. Just stay home and the rest of us will go on with our lives...many of us work and are out there every day and if we harbored the constant fear and paranoia like so many, everything would be shut down...and how would that be working out for you? No stores, no gas stations, no restaurants, no MD offices, no financial institutions, no pharmacy, no nothing...be thankful that we are not of the same mindset as so many here...
I’m so tired of people saying “just stay home” and “the rest of us will go about our [selfish] lives”. Imagine if that attitude prevailed when the movement to stop smoking in public places due to the dangers of second hand smoke! Should people who didn’t want to get cancer from others’ smoke have simply stayed home so those who like to engage in dangerous behaviors can continue to live normally while everyone else stays home??? Geez ...

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

The ineffectiveness of mask, see NY,NJ, CN, makes a mask mandate suspect. If your afraid stay home. Don’t impose restrictions that have no science behind them

I guess you haven't see the many videos that have been posted on this forum demonstrating how effective masks are at blocking droplets and aerosols that carry this microscopic virus. Too bad for you that you are so uninformed.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Neither is abortion but godless people say that is a right in the constitution ("it's just not in that document"). There is no way that anyone is going to force me to wear a mask when I'm outdoors (not in a building). You can demand rules for doing business in buildings. No government in the USA has the authority to demand that people wear a mask in public any more than it can force me to buy health insurance. "My body, my choice" as abortion advocates would say.

And, that position does not make me selfish or ignorant. That makes me an American.

So wait - if it's about forcing you to wear a mask to protect the public, it's your right, your body, your choice?

And if it's about a woman's right to deal with her own body to protect her physical, mental, and emotional health and NOT the public, it's godless?

Which is it? Is it godless, or is it my body my choice? If you're going to pin your "right" on the same right a woman has to handle her own body her own way, then it has to be one or the other. Either women are not really godless afterall, or you are.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What I have never understood about this is the pressure is always on the people to wear masks (which I believe we should). The pressure should be put on the businesses. Real simple, no mask no entry. In larger businesses such a Publix, Walmart etc. there should be an employee at the door telling people no mask no entry. They could even provide a paper mask to people who may have forgotten theirs. If stores, restaurants and businesses started requiring the use of masks and enforcing the rule I think more people would get the message and would have no other choice but to carry one with them. Remember the days of no shirt no shoes no service. Worked pretty well.

They did that. And a store employee was shot and killed by someone who refused to wear a mask, and refused to NOT go into the store.

The days of no shirt no service were the days when people were civilized. The current world is much different.

[Advogado]

“These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me)”. ————————————————� �———


WOW! Just as you feel so strongly about wearing your mask in public, I and all the neighbors and friends I associate with feel no need or fear to wearing a mask when visiting each other or walking outside. I had COVID in April when it was at its peak. Minor symptoms and I fully recovered without complications. I know of several relatives and friends who have had it all fully recovered with most with minor symptoms. All feel fine today. If you feel that you are that immune or medically compromised then wear your mask when out or stay home. Let’s get something straight. There will never be a time that any official will order me to wear a mask in Public. When will you realize that vaccine or no vaccine this virus will be with us for some time. 98% of people who get it will recover. I and my friends are seniors and lived through it chances are you or your family will as well. Again if your that sickly wear your mask outside or stay home otherwise stop the criticism of people that don’t think like you.
It is that kind of attitude that necessitates the kind of mask mandate that 34 states and the District of Colombia have enacted. You do not seem to care about other people. Look at your figures: if 98% of people with COVID-19 recover, that means that potentially 6,600,000 Americans will not. Don't you think that we ought to do what we can to reduce that number? Also, remember that the fact that you had COVID-19 and recovered does not mean that you cannot get it again at some point.

[coffeebean]

I’ll listen to my Dr not one of the keyboard experts -period

And....what has your doctor told you to do?

[Pairadocs]

I don't see all of Sumter county going for mandates but I could see how there might be demand for a new contained "social distancing" village with strict rules on masks, 14 day in house quarantines for guests and after residents return from travel, stepped up sanitizing procedures, enhanced store/restaurant/pharmacy delivery options. There seems to be a market for this sort of lifestyle and the developers should take advantage of the demand.

Sure makes sense compared to the "mandatory mask law" person who wrote previously. Good by Sumter County Hello China is what they mean. How many since the revolution have fought and died for liberty, freedom only to loose it to a tyrannical and irrational set of "laws" handed down by who ? Oh, a group of commissions ? Yes, always go to the most experienced medical advice before passing "laws" on others. Personally I CHOOSE to wear a mask when out shopping and dining; some neighbors do not. That is their personal choice. I certainly do not feel they are selfish or any of the other vile names people here in the V's call anyone who chooses not to wear a mask. I for one am really tired of the trashing of people that goes on here daily, saw an incident in Publix just three days ago, it was an ugly moment for such a "friendly" hometown. No RESPECT for your neighbors because you wear a mask and they don't ? NO, there is no respect for others because "others" choose to make them villains and outcasts because of their own personal irrational fears.

[Bill14564]

Hey, dummy....you have those freedoms BECAUSE of our government!

No, dummy, you have those freedoms because the Constitution forbids the government from taking them away. Periodically the government tries but eventually it is brought to the court and reversed.

I cannot believe so many people here want to give up their freedom to the commissioners, governor, or president! Do not ask them to run your lives, history shows they will gladly do it but not in the way you would like.

[stanley]

So wait - if it's about forcing you to wear a mask to protect the public, it's your right, your body, your choice?

And if it's about a woman's right to deal with her own body to protect her physical, mental, and emotional health and NOT the public, it's godless?

Which is it? Is it godless, or is it my body my choice? If you're going to pin your "right" on the same right a woman has to handle her own body her own way, then it has to be one or the other. Either women are not really godless afterall, or you are.

Which is really worse?
https://pregnancylansing.com/abortion/methods/

[Bonnevie]

I don't know why mask wearing had to become such a divisive issue. it's unfortunate that the current leader of the free world didn't just advocate for it forcefully. we know his supporters are devoted and they would have been more apt to do it. many lives could have been saved and he may well have won re-election.

[EviesGP]

RING...

SCSO: "Sumter County Sherriff's Office, what is your emergency?"

CB: "This is Citizens Bank, and we are being robbed!"

SCSO: "I'm sorry, but all our deputies are backed up with mask mandate calls. But, can you provide a description of the suspects, while we make our way there?"

CB: "There are 3 men with masks on."

SCSO: "Well...FINALLY someone listens!"

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why would The Villages be the only area in the US to self quarantine? Because we are smart. Because we care about others. Because we want to stem the virus sooner than later. Because we can. Because we could set a very good example for others.

As long as the "mask shaming" goes the other way around, the Villages will reject science. More and more people are refusing to wear masks inside crowded buildings. Most are still wearing masks - but the % of people wearing them is reducing, and the % of them refusing to wear them is going up.

The signs on the windows still say "must wear a mask." But more people are ignoring the signs and rejecting the stores' orders. Maybe they're the people who just never evolved beyond the "no Mommy I won't brush my teeth!" phase in their lives.

But there comes a time in life, when you have to just respect the rules of other peoples' property OR accept that people will give you nasty looks (at best) and avoid you entirely (at worst).

My aunt learned this, when she died alone, without a single friend, and most family wanting nothing to do with her. Why? Because she refused to stop smoking 3 packs a day, and when stores stopped allowing people to smoke inside, she refused to shop at those stores. Friends stopped inviting her over because she refused to NOT smoke in their homes. Family stopped going to visit her at her house because the brown film covered the walls and the windows and her house reeked of stale smoke, bad enough to make even a smoker retch.

If that's what you want to do with yourself, awesome. If that's how you want to be remembered when you die, have at it. As for me, I'll wear a mask inside any building that has a sign asking me to, out of respect for the establishment. And I'll bring one with me wherever I'm invited, in case they request that I put it on before coming inside. That will be even AFTER I get a vaccine, whenever that happens to be.

[Uphillputt330]

Yes the commissioners should mandate masks!

I am not naive — realistically it is not totally enforceable but even if it only influences a few more people to wear them it is an improvement. One way to make it more enforceable is to require businesses to require masks of customers. I avoid businesses where the clerks and/or a large portion of the customers are not wearing masks.

Believe the science. It is not a big deal to wear a mask!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Which is really worse?
https://pregnancylansing.com/abortion/methods/

Not the question, and not the topic. Someone is comparing abortion rights to "freedom to reject masks" and claiming that abortion rights is godless. If you can COMPARE the two - then that means mask-refusers are also godless. Regardless of which is worse.

Either they're both godless, or you can't compare them. Choose one.

[Nordhagen]

Obey!!!

[stanley]

Not the question, and not the topic. Someone is comparing abortion rights to "freedom to reject masks" and claiming that abortion rights is godless. If you can COMPARE the two - then that means mask-refusers are also godless. Regardless of which is worse.

Either they're both godless, or you can't compare them. Choose one.

Right...............you started it.............

[kanoa1kale2]

How to "enforce" a mask mandate without fines or penalties:

Mandate it for any and all buildings that are open to the public, except AT tables in restaurants, mess halls, cafeterias, and in private stalls of public rest rooms (so you and the guy next to you at the urinal have to have your masks on. If he goes into the stall with the door he can take his mask off).

And if someone objects, they can call the police. If the police come they can order you to either put the mask on, or leave the premises. If you refuse - then you get arrested for trespassing. Remember all public places of business reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - as long as they don't violate civil rights. And you don't have the constitutional right to not wear a mask. It's just not in that document.

Many rights are not explicitly written in documents 244 years old. If you are that afraid, stay home and take advantage of the many options for having things delivered to you. We are slowly becoming used to totalitarian edicts from politicians and non-elected officials. This slow erosion of our independent thought is more deadly than the pandemic. Btw, if you are in a restaurant with recirculating air. removing your mask there is much more deadly than being outside. When you start dictating how I go to the restroom, you have way crossed the line. At that time, it's called anarchy and revolution time.

[coffeebean]

So if there is a mandate for face mask and social distancing, should there be also a mandate for vaccinating everyone?

Wearing a mask and social distancing are not invasive to the human body. I'm a huge proponent of wearing masks indoors in public spaces but I do oppose mandatory vaccination in adults. Having said that, before I set foot on a cruise ship (we LOVE to cruise), I'm hoping proof of Covid vaccination will be mandatory. I plan to be vaccinated before ever cruising again but I don't want to be on a "sick" ship and have to deal with the consequences of that.

[Topspinmo]

Here what the Chinese Method containment. Locked in you house, apartment, college dorm for 8 months and then claim zero virus numbers. Yes. It happening u tube China in focus News. Another thing I noticed none of the CCP has the virus? I find that strange Beings there are hundreds of regional leaders? Maybe they have an antidote?

It will never be contained in this country, only hope is vaccine. People will NOT stay put or apart. Another good example was the ND football game last week when crowd flooded the field at end of the game ( and why was there that large of crowd attending?) These are supposed to smart people?

[KRM0614]

Yes a new village,...for "them"... I really like that idea.
Wrong ! Herd mentality

[KRM0614]

Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!
Hopefully if this happens attorneys will get involved and overturn it
The state of Florida over rules a retirement community.

The solution is not too down government it’s personal responsibility

[Bogie Shooter]

KEEP IN MIND 2009 H1N1 pandemic. There were 60.8 million cases. I don't remember having a mask mandate. But that was not an election year. I have a friend that works in Atlanta in the hospital. They were told early on that no matter what a person dies from it would be recorded as Covid. The hospital would get 17k for a covid death and 5k for all other. One more example ....Friends of our went to get the covid test and signed the papers to get it done. After waiting for a long time decided to come back the next day. They left and was going to return the next day, but before they left the next day they got a call and was informed the test they took the previous day was positive. (no test was taken the previous day) I believe that we should respect the current flu, but I also believe we are being lead down a path of wrong info.
Lot of second and third hand information.......tell it often enough and others will start to believe.

[dplars]

Common sense goes a long way, One size fits all Mandates don't make sense. Unless you are a herd dweller who can't think for themselves.

[dadoiron]

Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!

Yea

[Bogie Shooter]

Probably the most uneducated, Ill researched response I’ve read so far. Keep up the fear mongering! Great job so far. These over inflated numbers for covid remind me of the latest attempt at an election.

Which response??

[Brownmoose13]

So if I'm understanding you right, until the effects of this virus have been determined 100% you will not take any precautions? Good luck to you.

You are correct....you do not understand what I am saying

[jbrown132]

They did that. And a store employee was shot and killed by someone who refused to wear a mask, and refused to NOT go into the store.

The days of no shirt no service were the days when people were civilized. The current world is much different.
I guess he will be quarantining for the rest of his life.

[neilbcox]

Do mask really work to protect you? If they work then the mask you are wearing should protect you! If you mask does not protect you then why make others to wear one! I do wear one when a business requires it.

Here is the BIGGEST problem with the Cov19 virus!

Why are we allowing 25,000 to 30,000 snowbirds from all over the US and around the world to desend on The Villages this year with NO quarantine or cov19 testing! These people are coming from areas that have major cov19 outbreaks. This is a HUGE risk to full time residents!

Where are Sumter County Commissioner’s? They need to mandate a 14 day quarantine on all snowbirds and require them to have 2 cov19 negative test results before they can socialize!

With consideration of this post do you really think that requiring everyone to wear a mast is the biggest health issue for The Villages the next 6 months?

[DAVES]

Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!

Most complex issues can be truly simple. I have a regular e-mail debate with a friend who thinks government has not right to force him to wear a mask. Personal freedom and all that stuff.
He shut up when since his wife was hit by a drunken driver if he thinks people should be allowed to drive drunk. I think you have the right to drive your car into a wall. You do not have the right to risk others.
As to a mask mandate. Passing a law is and should be difficult. Perhaps, more important is the willingness to enforce it and how to enforce it.
Masks. Look around you. How many people are using them properly?
No answer will be or can be perfect. You owe it to all-DO THE BEST YOU CAN

[Byte1]

The Villages has a VERY low death rate by the virus. The infection rate that everyone is so excited about is due to multiple tests for those that have tested positive. One infected person will end up getting several tests (positive) before a negative test, therefore making it appear on paper that there was four, five or even six positives for the virus. They do not break it down to how many people test positive, just how many positive test results.
All this hype and demands for a mandated mask requirement is crazy. It is no one's responsibility to protect you. Do not give me that cr@p about being selfish or non-patriotic or whatever attempt to shame folks into wearing masks. It's all about you and how you believe that the gov nanny MUST protect you. NO! It is your right to stay home and if you go out then protect yourself.
There will be NO mask mandate. If someone attempts to mandate a mask rule, it will be thrown out of court. The president would have to declare Martial Law in order to have an excuse to make such an assault on citizen liberties.
I will wear a mask where I deem it is prudent. If ordered to wear a mask, I will start wearing it on my chin. I am astounded that there are this many American seniors that have forgotten their world history to the extent that they would welcome gov. control of their lives. If you wish to wear a mask, then go for it. If not, just stay away from people. If you do not approve of others not wearing a mask, then mind your own business. They are not a threat to you when you can easily avoid them. Do not presume to limit other citizens' freedom, regardless of your selfish reasoning.
I will continue to wear a mask (voluntarily) until someone demands it. But, I draw the line at gov control regardless of politics.

[lennythenet]

Amen!

[graciegirl]

Six new cases in Sumter County and no new deaths in Sumter County today. Everyone please continue to wear masks and to social distance. Y'all know that. I don't have to say it. You all matter to me.

coronavirus deaths sumter county florida - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=coronavirus+deaths+sumter+county+florida&cvid=5f5c9f58b365486791ee31b805124bb9&pglt=43&FORM=ANSPA1&PC=DCTS)

[Byte1]

So wait - if it's about forcing you to wear a mask to protect the public, it's your right, your body, your choice?

And if it's about a woman's right to deal with her own body to protect her physical, mental, and emotional health and NOT the public, it's godless?

Which is it? Is it godless, or is it my body my choice? If you're going to pin your "right" on the same right a woman has to handle her own body her own way, then it has to be one or the other. Either women are not really godless afterall, or you are.

That's not even a valid argument.
Abortion is about killing a living being for the convenience of the host, almost 98% of the time. That has nothing to do with the mask and the virus though.
How is being forced to wear a mask in public, protecting the public? If you are not infected, then the mask is doing nothing. If you are able to avoid infection, then it is up to you to avoid it, not someone else that YOU deem a possible carrier. You have no scientific evidence to prove that anyone is threatening your health by not wearing a mask. If you do not wish contamination, infection then it is up to you to protect yourself. If a person has a bleeding ailment (Hemophilia) do you have the right to demand that knives and forks not be used in restaurants? Is it up to others to carry bandages for you, just in case they happen to be around someone with that ailment?
Sounds hokey? Same as your comparison that has nothing to do with the subject.

[graciegirl]

Older Adults and COVID-19 | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/older-adults.html)

[Velvet]

In the future science will let men give birth so that we females can take a break from all these things. Let the guys deal with their own body and see what they’ll say then.

[Mikenbats66]

Very low mortality rates
Very low infection rates
Not a death certainty
If you feel you are in danger , then stay home
Don't try to restrict everyone else's personal freedoms

[jimjamuser]

Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!
A wonderfully well-written thread. Kudos! I would prefer a mask mandate in ALL The Villages. But, probably Sumter County would be the only one EVEN possible? It would also be nice if the Florida voters got rid of DeSantis. This whole anti-mask thing may be looked back on by History as an aberration from US sanity and love of science. Good luck and keep up the good fight!

[NJRICHARD]

They don't cover their nose because they can not get enough AIR....

[jimjamuser]

I don't see all of Sumter county going for mandates but I could see how there might be demand for a new contained "social distancing" village with strict rules on masks, 14 day in house quarantines for guests and after residents return from travel, stepped up sanitizing procedures, enhanced store/restaurant/pharmacy delivery options. There seems to be a market for this sort of lifestyle and the developers should take advantage of the demand.
Everything has changed because of CV. This period in History will be marked as; "before CV and after CV".

[Advogado]

A wonderfully well-written thread. Kudos! I would prefer a mask mandate in ALL The Villages. But, probably Sumter County would be the only one EVEN possible? It would also be nice if the Florida voters got rid of DeSantis. This whole anti-mask thing may be looked back on by History as an aberration from US sanity and love of science. Good luck and keep up the good fight!
Thank you.

[jimjamuser]

I have no problem with wearing a mask in public places but I am tired of hearing from all the "experts", none of which have any answers. Last time I looked there were about 10 "experts" for every person that has died.
I looked at the numbers for yesterday and there were 12 cases of Covid in Sumter County.
What about a RECORD of 160,000 cases per day for the whole US? Why would TV Land be any different?

[RedChariot]

You have that option. Just purchase the business and make the changes. Why do you feel you have the right to demand they conform to your wishes? You have the option of not frequenting their establishment. They have to stay in business or go bankrupt.

My options were taken away when DeSantis opened to Phase 3 100% capacity. The restaurants here in The Villages are filling all the tables at dinner. I want to support our local restaurants, but not by putting myself at risk.

[Velvet]

everything has changed because of cv. This period in history will be marked as; "before cv and after cv".

bc, ac?

[jimjamuser]

So please tell me which expert you listen/refer to and please do not mention Fauci as he has been a pinball on the issue.
As far as 89 deaths (which are too many) that is about 1 death every 3 days, probably behind cancer, heart attacks, etc.
When one of your "experts" has a definitive answer I will then listen as it seems not one of the 217 countries affected has any answers either. Until then I am trying not to live my life in fear or by numbers since it is later than I think
Compare US CV statistics with Australia as a learning experience!

[NoMoSno]

Everything has changed because of CV. This period in History will be marked as; "before CV and after CV".
Doubtful.

[NoMoSno]

Compare US CV statistics with Australia as a learning experience!
Not a valid comparison.

[Byte1]

Everything has changed because of CV. This period in History will be marked as; "before CV and after CV".

Only to the weak and hysterical types.

[jimjamuser]

Mask mandates may help but I propose everyone be forced to wear a Level 1 Haz-mat suit outside of their homes. If we were really serious about this we wouldn’t waste time just wearing masks when there is a far safer alternative available. If anyone disagrees with me they must be ignorant because “the science” proves that a Level 1 Haz-mat suit is the best protection available!
If those suits were inexpensive and readily available, I would wear one outside in public. The Police should give you a "REWARD" gift card for wearing them.

[Byte1]

In the future science will let men give birth so that we females can take a break from all these things. Let the guys deal with their own body and see what they’ll say then.

Perhaps society will allow one to "choose" to be male if female or female if male, or black if white. But, choosing to be a female does not make one a female and able to do what they are biologically able to do. One must realize that when stuck home watching TV, that SyFy is just fiction.

[jimjamuser]

If your so called mask protects you and your social distancing, pray tell, where is all the paranoia coming from? No need to fixate on others. Just stay home and the rest of us will go on with our lives...many of us work and are out there every day and if we harbored the constant fear and paranoia like so many, everything would be shut down...and how would that be working out for you? No stores, no gas stations, no restaurants, no MD offices, no financial institutions, no pharmacy, no nothing...be thankful that we are not of the same mindset as so many here...
People that HAVE to work outside of their homes deserve to have better testing and clothing than they do at present. The DPA was never initiated (blame that). That held back testing and put frontline workers out there in hospitals and other situations without proper equipment and at risk of CV and possible death. Yes, it IS a PROBLEM! Good to point that out. And good luck.

[Velvet]

Perhaps society will allow one to "choose" to be male if female or female if male, or black if white. But, choosing to be a female does not make one a female and able to do what they are biologically able to do. One must realize that when stuck home watching TV, that SyFy is just fiction.

I believe men have a right to give birth. We just have to figure out how. Why would you deprive them of this wonderful opportunity?

I like the idea of choosing your skin color I’m not sure I would have chosen “white” for myself at all.

And I like SiFi. During DaVinci’s time the idea of flying was SiFi.

As far as masks go, why not just put one on when you leave your house? Just like the way you put on any other attire.

[Pmarlow]

How to "enforce" a mask mandate without fines or penalties:

Mandate it for any and all buildings that are open to the public, except AT tables in restaurants, mess halls, cafeterias, and in private stalls of public rest rooms (so you and the guy next to you at the urinal have to have your masks on. If he goes into the stall with the door he can take his mask off).

And if someone objects, they can call the police. If the police come they can order you to either put the mask on, or leave the premises. If you refuse - then you get arrested for trespassing. Remember all public places of business reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - as long as they don't violate civil rights. And you don't have the constitutional right to not wear a mask. It's just not in that document.
The constitution also doesn’t give the government the right to force us to wear a mask. If you really understood the constitution you would realize it states what the government has the power to do and all other powers reside with the people. Get your facts right. This is why the federal government cannot order people to wear masks.

[jaj523]

Is that 89 deaths for Sumter County? Or 89 deaths for The Villages?

[sail33or]

For those advocating for mandate to wear masks:

EXACTLY WHAT DEATH RATE or DAILY POSITIVES will be acceptable for YOU to stop wearing masks and give us your permission????

Note: any vaccine is only 90% effective and I promise there will be at least 20 - 40 % of folks that will NOT get vaccinated.

So there will ALWAYS be some deaths and infections forever just LIKE THE FLU. BUT WHAT IS YOUR NUMBER SO WE CAN END THIS.

[Malsua]

There is a strong correlation between Vitamin D and Covid severity. Why isn't the government suggesting we all take a supplement? The UK is about to start delivering it to at risk people, although not nearly enough, but it's something.

Here's a chart that is very interesting.

Hmm, I wonder what UVB stimulates in the body....Oh, right. Vitamin D.

[jimjamuser]

I have researched and found that people with underlying condition are the ones most prone to problems. Masks are a help but mandated everyone to wear one and to fine businesses is a total mistake. The vaccine is being made available in the very near future so these mandatory mask laws and other unconstitutional plans are needless.
If, big IF, the vaccine works it will be lucky to be available to ordinary TV Bozos by DEC 2021. Then only 50% of the bozos will even get it - so we are right back to HERE - where we need to wear our masks and stay away from people, especially inside. The vaccine needs 2 doses and to be transported at negative 100 degrees F. It is people that want to propagandize you that are giving you FALSE HOPE - because it suits THEIR purposes. They are in no way concerned about you in the least. You don't exist to them! Just think for yourself.

[newgirl]

If that were true why all the pop up testing sites? They are keeping the reality from here so the money will continue to roll in. After all, old people dying does not affect developers bottom line. The truth can.

[Dayeight99]

I don’t make decisions based on what communists have to say.

[72eagleman]

FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Of the 89 deaths attributed to Covid in Sumter County, how many would have died anyway without the Covid Pandemic. I personally know a 42 year old person that died in a tragic motorcycle accident. The death certificate stated the cause of death was Covid related. I, for one, do not trust the numbers. That being said I don't leave my house without a mask.

[Byte1]

I believe men have a right to give birth. We just have to figure out how. Why would you deprive them of this wonderful opportunity?

I like the idea of choosing your skin color I’m not sure I would have chosen “white” for myself at all.

And I like SiFi. During DaVinci’s time the idea of flying was SiFi.

As far as masks go, why not just put one on when you leave your house? Just like the way you put on any other attire.

Having a right to do something is exactly what some on here are attempting to take away. :boom:
Being able to produce a child is a female thing, for a reason I'm sure. Maybe you think it is funny? Sorry, but I do not know of very many men that would choose to bear a child, even if possible.
And yes, I also realize that you are just being facetious. But, in reality one should face the truth and not attempt to live in a SyFy imagination.

[coffeebean]

Sure makes sense compared to the "mandatory mask law" person who wrote previously. Good by Sumter County Hello China is what they mean. How many since the revolution have fought and died for liberty, freedom only to loose it to a tyrannical and irrational set of "laws" handed down by who ? Oh, a group of commissions ? Yes, always go to the most experienced medical advice before passing "laws" on others. Personally I CHOOSE to wear a mask when out shopping and dining; some neighbors do not. That is their personal choice. I certainly do not feel they are selfish or any of the other vile names people here in the V's call anyone who chooses not to wear a mask. I for one am really tired of the trashing of people that goes on here daily, saw an incident in Publix just three days ago, it was an ugly moment for such a "friendly" hometown. No RESPECT for your neighbors because you wear a mask and they don't ? NO, there is no respect for others because "others" choose to make them villains and outcasts because of their own personal irrational fears.

We need a THUMBS DOWN button! Do not agree with any part of this post.

[Marleens]

Thank you for initiating this conversation...let's hope it insights the courage that is needed to save some lives.

[lisafolker@gmail.com]

You have the right to live your life but you don’t have the right to take mine. WEAR a MASK!

[Byte1]

People that HAVE to work outside of their homes deserve to have better testing and clothing than they do at present. The DPA was never initiated (blame that). That held back testing and put frontline workers out there in hospitals and other situations without proper equipment and at risk of CV and possible death. Yes, it IS a PROBLEM! Good to point that out. And good luck.

Your personal safety is not an element or function of the Gov. Maybe in a communist future America will get there. USSA?

[Byte1]

You have the right to live your life but you don’t have the right to take mine. WEAR a MASK!

You have a right to your safety, so stay home. You do not have the right to demand anything from me. You can ask me to wear a mask and I might humor you.

[Velvet]

Having a right to do something is exactly what some on here are attempting to take away. :boom:
Being able to produce a child is a female thing, for a reason I'm sure. Maybe you think it is funny? Sorry, but I do not know of very many men that would choose to bear a child, even if possible.
And yes, I also realize that you are just being facetious. But, in reality one should face the truth and not attempt to live in a SyFy imagination.

Yes I am facetious, poor hubby is cringing that I wrote the post. In fact, I am a mother and love it! But as far as SiFi goes we progress through imagination.

[Advogado]

Your personal safety is not an element or function of the Gov. Maybe in a communist future America will get there. USSA?

I don't understand your point.

Preserving PUBLIC safety is, in fact, the primary function of government. Since the Florida state government has failed to do so with respect to COVID-19, it is incumbent upon our County Commissioners to act. It is just a matter of time before masks are mandatory throughout the U.S. It is only a question of how many more people need to needlessly die before our politicians act.

[jimjamuser]

When you don’t wear a mask it is like you are playing RUSSIAN ROULETTE. And if you want to play Russian roulette go right ahead. Does not bother me. But when you play LET’S SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES ME TO KILL MYSELF and you keep spinning that gun around the room at different people as you play that is where we need to draw the line. Anyone’s imaginary RIGHTS end when they interfere with the real RIGHTS of LIFE for anyone else. Don’t pull the rest of us into your game of RUSSIAN ROULETTE.
Beautiful analogy! Kudos!

[Byte1]

Sure makes sense compared to the "mandatory mask law" person who wrote previously. Good by Sumter County Hello China is what they mean. How many since the revolution have fought and died for liberty, freedom only to loose it to a tyrannical and irrational set of "laws" handed down by who ? Oh, a group of commissions ? Yes, always go to the most experienced medical advice before passing "laws" on others. Personally I CHOOSE to wear a mask when out shopping and dining; some neighbors do not. That is their personal choice. I certainly do not feel they are selfish or any of the other vile names people here in the V's call anyone who chooses not to wear a mask. I for one am really tired of the trashing of people that goes on here daily, saw an incident in Publix just three days ago, it was an ugly moment for such a "friendly" hometown. No RESPECT for your neighbors because you wear a mask and they don't ? NO, there is no respect for others because "others" choose to make them villains and outcasts because of their own personal irrational fears.

Totally agree :thumbup:. I wear a mask because I choose to, not because someone demands me to wear one. I do not care if anyone wears a mask or not. That's their business and I do not make it mine. However, I reserve the same treatment. No one has the right to demand that I wear a mask. If they give me the excuse that it is for their protection, then I tell them that I do not know them and I do not care. I have spent over 50 years serving my country "protecting them." Time for them to take the training wheels off and learn to walk on their own without someone else's assistance.

[Byte1]

I don't understand your point.

Preserving PUBLIC safety is, in fact, the primary function of government. Since the Florida state government has failed to do so with respect to COVID-19, it is incumbent upon our County Commissioners to act. It is just a matter of time before masks are mandatory throughout the U.S. It is only a question of how many more people need to needlessly die before our politicians act.

You seem to have a misunderstanding of the function of government. Just because you deem it necessary to mandate that EVERYONE wear a mask to your approval, does not make it the duty of the gov to enforce your wishes.
If the gov mandates masks, they will also mandate a certification for masks like they do for motorcycle helmets. The helmet must be certified by DOT in some states or you are charged with operating without a helmet, even though you have a nice helmet. Beware of what you want the gov to do for you because someone is surely going to make money off it. How else do politicians become millionaires after becoming elected?
If you wish to wear a military gas mask and a hazmat suit, I am sure the gov will mandate it for you AND charge you as much as they pay for toilet seats.

[Byte1]

Yes I am facetious, poor hubby is cringing that I wrote the post. In fact, I am a mother and love it! But as far as SiFi goes we progress through imagination.

"Progress" maybe. Live in "imagination" not so much. Reality is much more REAL. :a040:

[sail33or]

for those advocating for mandate to wear masks:

Exactly what death rate or daily positives will be acceptable for you to stop wearing masks and give us your permission????

Note: Any vaccine is only 90% effective and i promise there will be at least 20 - 40 % of folks that will not get vaccinated.

So there will always be some deaths and infections forever just like the flu. But what is your number so we can end this.

i am still waiting for an answer

[Capt_Chris_Pike]

What is the use of rules that cannot be enforced. Most of us are following all of the suggestions to the letter from the health authorities both Nationally and our own physicians. Any death is a disaster but deaths in Sumter County have risen very very slowly in the last two months, and I believe that is due to most residents being very aware of the risks.


Most people are taking steps to minimize the risk. I don't see it as a problem that needs to be legislated.

[graciegirl]

Is that 89 deaths for Sumter County? Or 89 deaths for The Villages?

There is no valid way to figure out how many people in The Villages have died. We only have numbers on Counties.

[jimjamuser]

If masks worked, why then need there be social distancing? If social distancing works, then why wear a mask?

I can not support a government regulation that takes away our freedom.

If those advocating that we all wear a mask were enlightened with the actual DEATH rate from Covid-19, perhaps the fear would be less and more rational informed decisions would be made.
They work TOGETHER! XERO medical experts ever said that society needed to practice only one of them. How could anyone think that? If you have a mask on and you are packed in shoulder-to-shoulder you messed up and you could get CV. Likewise, if you are 6 feet away and do not have a mask on you are taking a big risk and could get CV. Explaining this is like herding cats!

[Joe V.]

You have the right to live your life but you don’t have the right to take mine. WEAR a MASK!

You are wrong. You have the responsibility to protect your own life.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You are wrong. You have the responsibility to protect your own life.

So if you come within 6 feet of me, not wearing a mask, I can shoot you? Awesome.

2A FTW

[jimjamuser]

When you and people like you, ruin our economy because of over inflated numbers, my company will be buying homes in the Villages for .50 on the dollar..... here’s the problem with your false numbers directly from health care workers... people come in and test positive, then they return every day to test until they test negative all of those tests get reported as positive tests, even though it’s the same person with the same original positive test. The death rate in the Villages hasn’t changed percentage wise from last year or previous years! The Villages is growing like crazy! More people equal more deaths. Common sense people common sense. Stop being sheep.
Sorry, but cases, hospitalizations, and DEATHS are linked statistics, one begets the others. Cases are now a record 160,000 nationwide. You can see the overcrowded hospitals on ANY TV channel with your own lying eyes. You may be able to buy houses ANYWHERE in the US at a sale price because DEATHS will make less demand, and the same supply. That really has nothing to do with anyone advocating caution in a Plague and wanting mask mandates, which are just common sense, while trying to help their fellow Americans.

[Joe V.]

So if you come within 6 feet of me, not wearing a mask, I can shoot you? Awesome.

2A FTW


You most certainly can try. I would not if I were you. You would most certainly not fair well. Esp. since walking near people is not a crime that requires a deadly force response. Get a grip and read up on Constitutional law and FL Statutes.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, progress in vaccine is good news, but apparently it will not be available for everyone until the end of next year. In addition, it reportedly is 90% effective, which means that one in ten people (33 million Americans) who get it will not be protected. In other words, we will be dealing with the virus for a long time, and thousands of Americans will be needlessly dying because of the obstinate and irrational refusal of some people to wear a mask in public and the failure of some of our politicians to require masks in public.
Yes, exactly correct. Kudos!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You most certainly can try. I would not if I were you. You would most certainly not fair well. Esp. since walking near people is not a crime that requires a deadly force response. Get a grip and read up on Constitutional law and FL Statutes.

If I feel that my life is being threatened by you walking too close to me, then I have a responsibility to protect my own life. That is EXACTLY what you said.

If you have a problem with me exercising my responsibility to protect my own life, then I recommend you not come too close to my person if you ever see me. Keep your distance, and I'll keep mine.

[Terriy]

Please go to the World Health Organization website. They have an extensive explanation of the importance of masks in containing the spread of the virus.

Right...is that the same WHO who is in bed with China???

[Joe V.]

If I feel that my life is being threatened by you walking too close to me, then I have a responsibility to protect my own life. That is EXACTLY what you said.

If you have a problem with me exercising my responsibility to protect my own life, then I recommend you not come too close to my person if you ever see me. Keep your distance, and I'll keep mine.


You going to gun down every person who walks by you now? I can't wait to read what happens to you if you do this for real. FL executes murderers. Do you need help for your anger management issues? Threatening random strangers is a cry for help. Just some friendly advice.

[jimjamuser]

“These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me)”. ————————————————� �———


WOW! Just as you feel so strongly about wearing your mask in public, I and all the neighbors and friends I associate with feel no need or fear to wearing a mask when visiting each other or walking outside. I had COVID in April when it was at its peak. Minor symptoms and I fully recovered without complications. I know of several relatives and friends who have had it all fully recovered with most with minor symptoms. All feel fine today. If you feel that you are that immune or medically compromised then wear your mask when out or stay home. Let’s get something straight. There will never be a time that any official will order me to wear a mask in Public. When will you realize that vaccine or no vaccine this virus will be with us for some time. 98% of people who get it will recover. I and my friends are seniors and lived through it chances are you or your family will as well. Again if your that sickly wear your mask outside or stay home otherwise stop the criticism of people that don’t think like you.
So, you played Russian Roulette and won. More power to you. Some of us prefer to NEVER play at all.

[graciegirl]

Sumter County is home to the world's largest retirement community. Because of its elderly population, Sumter County is undoubtedly the Florida county that is most vulnerable with respect to the new wave of the COVID-19 virus. Fortunately, most residents are following the advice of the experts and wearing a mask in public places. Unfortunately, however, there are still a number of residents who are not-- either because of ignorance or selfishness or both. These people are endangering not only themselves (which, frankly, doesn't particularly bother me), but they are endangering everybody else as well (which does bother me).

In Sumter County, we recently elected a new slate of County Commissioners-- the EMS team of Estep, Miller, and Search. They have pledged to represent the residents, and not special interests. I personally know all three of the team members, and I did what I could to help them get elected. They are good guys-- smart, honest, intelligent, and experienced.

Here is hoping that the EMS team, who now constitute a majority of the Commissioners, will have both the foresight and the political courage to confront the COVID-19 crisis by following the lead of a number of other Florida counties and enacting an ordinance mandating a mask for anyone in a public building or at a public gathering. Who knows, maybe the other two Commissioners, who are generally described as “the Developer's puppets”, would support such an ordinance. After all, if The Villages becomes a COVID hotspot, it will put a crimp in the Developer's sale of new houses.

Many Florida counties and municipalities have enacted mask mandates. However, any ordinance adopted in Sumter County will have to be carefully drafted in light of Governor DeSantis's inane order suspending “collection of fines and penalties associated with COVID-19 enforced upon individuals.” Note that enforcement against businesses is not suspended; so businesses that don't require masks could be fined. Likewise, the enactment of mandatory-mask ordinances is not banned; so Sumter County could enact a mandate, with the fines and penalties “suspended”. That is, there are ways to attack the problem despite the DeSantis order.

In summary: COVID19 is the most serious problem facing Sumter County today. Let us hope that our Commissioners save lives by enacting an appropriate face-mask ordinance-- before it is too late!

Is the POA backing this movement? I am not a fan of the POA.

Also counselor. How sharp are the teeth from a mandate? This is from someone who has barely been out of her house since the Pandemic began. I very much would comply, have complied with the directives of the CDC. You can lead a horse to water...........You can catch more flies with honey...Most of us know how serious the Pandemic is. Some people are born stubborn and all people are born with different levels of I.Q. I believe we are all born valuable. This issue has been debated ad nauseum. Can a country enforce a quarantine? Yes, if there are fines. U.K. shows us that. We will see how the upcoming administration will handle it on a National level.

Mandate legal definition of mandate (https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mandate)

[Terriy]

Yet another mask whiner. Get into the fetal position and return to your basement.

Great response!!

[Curtisbwp]

Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
I lived for one year in a jungle and watched many of my friends get violently ill as they were stricken with malaria. People all around me werr dying from gunshot wounds and deadly explosives. I was 18 yrs old. I realized then that my life was in the hands of the LORD. If it was my time to die there was nothing i could about it. I did everything i could to stay alive, but it was all in GOD",S hands.
TODAY i can not depend on anyone to keep me safe. Only me and the lord. Take your well-being into yout own hands and trust in the LORD

[sail33or]

For those advocating for mandate to wear masks:

EXACTLY WHAT DEATH RATE or DAILY POSITIVES will be acceptable for YOU to stop wearing masks and give us your permission????

Note: any vaccine is only 90% effective and I promise there will be at least 20 - 40 % of folks that will NOT get vaccinated.

So there will ALWAYS be some deaths and infections forever just LIKE THE FLU. BUT WHAT IS YOUR NUMBER SO WE CAN END THIS.

Still Waiting and waiting for response. You can't respond can you because you are going to be wearing that mask the rest of your life.

[Heyitsrick]

If, big IF, the vaccine works it will be lucky to be available to ordinary TV Bozos by DEC 2021. Then only 50% of the bozos will even get it - so we are right back to HERE - where we need to wear our masks and stay away from people, especially inside. The vaccine needs 2 doses and to be transported at negative 100 degrees F. It is people that want to propagandize you that are giving you FALSE HOPE - because it suits THEIR purposes. They are in no way concerned about you in the least. You don't exist to them! Just think for yourself.

I've seen you repeat this "December 2021" timeline a couple of times. Why are you saying that? Did you not see/hear Dr. Fauci's comments about when the vaccine would be available from a few days ago? He says that average Americans - not high-priority / at risk Americans - but average "bozos" as you would call them could expect to be able to be vaccinated by sometime in April of 2021. That's 8 months ahead of this arbitrary schedule you're touting.

Fauci sees the cooling requirements as a challenge, but certainly not a barrier.

He also believes that the efficacy of the vaccine - 90 to 95% effective - will easily convince people to get it in a timely manner.

Look, if you want to wear a mask forever and continue to engage in your pretentious commentary here, that's on you. You might want to get some facts along the way, though.

Watch: Dr. Fauci says vaccine could be widely available by April | Boston.com (https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/11/10/fauci-says-vaccine-by-april)

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[JimJohnson]

If you do not wear a mask, then you have no right to go out in the public. If you go in a store without a mask, that would be attempted voluntary manslaughter. If anyone gets in my face without a mask, I will react accordingly. :boxing2: Shame on anyone in public without a mask.

[Seve1]

Yeah the WHO, who are you kidding, they are a puppet for ChiComs , and have been wrong repeatedly. As well as Chairman Fauci. I would follow the suggestions of our governor. Calling the cops on people for their mask behavior is ludicrous. You people need to get a life. What you’re posting is insane. most people wear masks in the Villages. If you don’t feel completely comfortable with those that don’t, you should all stay home. Don’t try to dictate to the rest of us.

[JimJohnson]

Yeah the WHO, who are you kidding, they are a puppet for ChiComs , and have been wrong repeatedly. As well as Chairman Fauci. I would follow the suggestions of our governor. Calling the cops on people for their mask behavior is ludicrous. You people need to get a life. What you’re posting is insane. most people wear masks in the Villages. If you don’t feel completely comfortable with those that don’t, you should all stay home. Don’t try to dictate to the rest of us.

I see you point, but just to be clear, if you don’t wear a mask in public, you could very well be taking someone’s else’s life in your hands. If you don’t wear a mask in public and get near me, you are taking your own life in your hands while I am committing self defense. I love everyone, but I have responsibilities and will not allow you to endanger my life with the selfish act of not wearing a mask.

:pray:Love

[Joe V.]

If you do not wear a mask, then you have no right to go out in the public. If you go in a store without a mask, that would be attempted voluntary manslaughter. If anyone gets in my face without a mask, I will react accordingly. :boxing2: Shame on anyone in public without a mask.


You are going to stop people not wearing a mask to go out? There are no laws that prohibit a person from not wearing a mask in FL. Attempted voluntary manslaughter? The insanity of some people here is truly amazing. Well, maybe not.

[Seve1]

I think you need psychiatric care.

[eyc234]

So if you come within 6 feet of me, not wearing a mask, I can shoot you? Awesome.

2A FTW

:pray::pray::pray: Love it Love it. While I agree with wearing a mask inside buildings with other people around, my question is how are you going to enforce this mandate? So are we going to leave this up to the WalMart greeter to enforce this on people coming into the store? Is the 60 year old cashier at Winn Dixie going to go up against a 30 year old crazy? Yes you can call the police but is that what you want police to be doing, issuing a $15 ticket which will be thrown out in court as unconstitutional? This can not be policed in this country unless you have a gestapo force to do it. How can you tell people to wear a mask but you can not force them to have their children vaccinated to protect other children.

Do not know what the answer is but not sure that this is a plausible mandate.

[JimJohnson]

You are going to stop people not wearing a mask to go out? There are no laws that prohibit a person from not wearing a mask in FL. Attempted voluntary manslaughter? The insanity of some people here is truly amazing. Well, maybe not.

Not at all. You do not have to wear a mask outside in Florida, but if that is what you choose to do, then you must insure you social distance from me or you will take your own life in your own hands. I do have the right to stand my ground in Florida, and you would definitely be threatening my life.

Love. :pray:

[Villages Kahuna]

I too am hopeful. But I fear that we’ll be disappointed long before Christmas. When is the next meeting of the board of commissioners? That’s when we’ll find out how serious they are about safeguarding the lives of Sumter County residents.

[Joe V.]

Not at all. You do not have to wear a mask outside in Florida, but if that is what you choose to do, then you must insure you social distance from me or you will take your own life in your own hands. I do have the right to stand my ground in Florida, and you would definitely be threatening my life.

Love. :pray:


You are nuts.

[JimJohnson]

I think you need psychiatric care.

You are 100% correct, anyone not wearing a mask in public is both suicidal and homicidal.

[JimJohnson]

You are nuts.

I could be wrong, but then you would be DEAD right.

[Joe V.]

I think you need psychiatric care.

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[Joe V.]

Not at all. You do not have to wear a mask outside in Florida, but if that is what you choose to do, then you must insure you social distance from me or you will take your own life in your own hands. I do have the right to stand my ground in Florida, and you would definitely be threatening my life.

Love. :pray:


I encourage to try to gun down people you think are violating the laws. Your wants are not a right to use force.

[JimJohnson]

I encourage to try to gun down people you think are violating the laws. Your wants are not a right to use force.


Florida's “Stand-Your-Ground” law was passed in 2005. The law allows those who feel a reasonable threat of death or bodily injury to “meet force with force” rather than retreat. Similar “Castle Doctrine” laws assert that a person does not need to retreat if their home is attacked.

[Joe V.]

Florida's “Stand-Your-Ground” law was passed in 2005. The law allows those who feel a reasonable threat of death or bodily injury to “meet force with force” rather than retreat. Similar “Castle Doctrine” laws assert that a person does not need to retreat if their home is attacked.

Who would ever want to go to your home seeing that you seem to be criminally insane with your threats to gun down innocent people? Wuhan Flu is not a death sentence. Walking past someone is not illegal nor can it be used to suggest a reasonable threat of death, mask or not. Your are making threats on innocent people. Your posts will be used against you to show intent. Grow up.

[jimjamuser]

That's not even a valid argument.
Abortion is about killing a living being for the convenience of the host, almost 98% of the time. That has nothing to do with the mask and the virus though.
How is being forced to wear a mask in public, protecting the public? If you are not infected, then the mask is doing nothing. If you are able to avoid infection, then it is up to you to avoid it, not someone else that YOU deem a possible carrier. You have no scientific evidence to prove that anyone is threatening your health by not wearing a mask. If you do not wish contamination, infection then it is up to you to protect yourself. If a person has a bleeding ailment (Hemophilia) do you have the right to demand that knives and forks not be used in restaurants? Is it up to others to carry bandages for you, just in case they happen to be around someone with that ailment?
Sounds hokey? Same as your comparison that has nothing to do with the subject.
When you say," no scientific evidence that a person without a mask is threatening another person's health". Yes, there is. Go on Youtube and watch the droplets spread by just breathing both with and without a mask. That is an experiment that anyone can see with their own eyes (or lying eyes). That spread is a distance of about 6 ft. Also, when unmasked people sneeze, the droplets go 15 feet. That IS evidence, OK. And many other items in that post are false. I don't have enough time to go through them all.