Remember Jane Fonda?

[Travelingal702]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.

[Stu from NYC]

How soon some organizations forget.

She should be spending her life in prison at hard labor

[New Englander]

Hanoi Jane should have been permanently exiled from the USA. I'm sure Vietnam would have welcomed her.

[Taltarzac725]

The Real Story Behind Jane Fonda'''s '''Hanoi Jane''' Nickname | Time (https://time.com/5116479/jane-fonda-hanoi-jane-nickname/)

Research and then research some more.

[JimJohnson]

Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:

[Topspinmo]

Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:


Please name one soldier she saved?

[Chi-Town]

The Vietnam War was a tragic mistake that cost tens of thousands precious lives. Jane should have stayed out of there and filmed Barbarella II.

[Fredman]

I thought from the title it would be RIP. What a disappointment

[JimJohnson]

Please name one soldier she saved?

The tens of thousands that did not go and die after Jane helped stop the conflict. Research factual sites and you will find what a wonderful Heroin Jane was.:pray:

[JimJohnson]

I must add, I am sure I know more about the Vietnam conflict than some and a whole lot more than the large majority of those giving opinions about it that are unaware of what really went on. I am a 22 year veteran of the Army, a decorated Combat Veteran and if called today would rush to be back in any conflict that my country needed me for, but I also believe we should never have been in Vietnam. The United States was wrong, and committed crimes against the people and especially children of Vietnam.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I went to Vietnam first time in 1960 , first as a multi toured paratrooper including serving with Vietnamese Paratroop outfits , I also spent many years as a civilian including many years in Laos and Cambodia, I was lifted out of Vietnam the day before the fall . I am a firm believer that the war would have gone on much longer without the demonstrations . Guys like me knew by 66 or 67 that there was no chance of winning you go Jane this Buds for you

[Stu from NYC]

First thank you for your service.

I did not have the privilege of serving but a question.

It seems to be that the politicians who ran the war had no idea how to do so. If they left the fight to the people who were trained to do so would it have had a different outcome?

Very interesting Vietnam now is becoming a capitalist country.

There were many ways to show you disagreed with what we did. It just seems to me that was she did was treasonous giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

[Velvet]

In my native country and almost anywhere else in the world a traitor would have been hung as an example, but I guess here we are more civil.

[Hape2Bhr]

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson View Post
Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.

Please name one soldier she saved? Please name one soldier she saved?

I wonder if the soldier that passed her the note during a handshake feels as JJ does? She gave it to the guards. He was beaten to h_ll.

[tvbound]

The Vietnam War: A film by Ken Burns & Lynn Novick (http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/home/)


An award winning documentary of the war, in detail.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

First thank you for your service.

I did not have the privilege of serving but a question.

It seems to be that the politicians who ran the war had no idea how to do so. If they left the fight to the people who were trained to do so would it have had a different outcome?

Very interesting Vietnam now is becoming a capitalist country.

There were many ways to show you disagreed with what we did. It just seems to me that was she did was treasonous giving aid and comfort to the enemy. to win North Vietnamese came south knowing that there only way home was victory or one of the lucky few that went home in a box

[cb1972]

Read an interesting article entitled "Shame on Jane" by Michael Benge, a former prisoner in North Vietnam. Although Jane Fonda may have thought she was doing good, there are always unintended consequences. The bottom line is it appears an American citizen was brutally tortured as a result of her visit.

[valuemkt]

she is another example of pond scum

[Number 10 GI]

I hope she spends eternity sitting on the hard iron seat of an anti-aircraft gun.

[Topspinmo]

The tens of thousands that did not go and die after Jane helped stop the conflict. Research factual sites and you will find what a wonderful Heroin Jane was.:pray:

I’m waiting for name that she saved?

[manaboutown]

Hanoi Jane should have been hanged as a traitor.

[Topspinmo]

I must add, I am sure I know more about the Vietnam conflict than some and a whole lot more than the large majority of those giving opinions about it that are unaware of what really went on. I am a 22 year veteran of the Army, a decorated Combat Veteran and if called today would rush to be back in any conflict that my country needed me for, but I also believe we should never have been in Vietnam. The United States was wrong, and committed crimes against the people and especially children of Vietnam.


Not the only one served during VN conflict. I agree Never should been in VN, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Wasn’t most those crimes the field army at lower level? Or are you saying they got approval to commit crimes? If so, you can blame people in charge of the United State’s at time.

[tophcfa]

Jane used to represent the extreme far left. With all the moonbats out there these days she would be considered a moderate in her party. Very sad.

[Fredman]

The tens of thousands that did not go and die after Jane helped stop the conflict. Research factual sites and you will find what a wonderful Heroin Jane was.:pray:

Please tell me exactly what she did to help stop the conflict, other than hang out with the enemy and get a soldier tortured

[Stu from NYC]

Please tell me exactly what she did to help stop the conflict, other than hang out with the enemy and get a soldier tortured

To me that was inexcusable and her citizenship should have been revoked while she spent the rest of her life in hard labor.

Lots of people protested the war without giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

[Velvet]

Jane 1972:

[JimJohnson]

I went to Vietnam first time in 1960 , first as a multi toured paratrooper including serving with Vietnamese Paratroop outfits , I also spent many years as a civilian including many years in Laos and Cambodia, I was lifted out of Vietnam the day before the fall . I am a firm believer that the war would have gone on much longer without the demonstrations . Guys like me knew by 66 or 67 that there was no chance of winning you go Jane this Buds for you

100% agree.
Vietnam 67-68

[JimJohnson]

I’m waiting for name that she saved?

Mine!! I was scheduled to go back in 1975. Do to the heroic efforts of Jane Fonda and thousands of other protesters the final Americans were pulled out by 30 April 1975.

Thank you Jane for not choosing to dodge your service to the problem in Vietnam. :bigbow:

[JimJohnson]

Please tell me exactly what she did to help stop the conflict, other than hang out with the enemy and get a soldier tortured

She brought national attention to the horrors being committed by us to the living rooms of Americans and it helped to put pressure on the US to leave their country.

Torturing anyone is horrible, but worse is 55,000 Americans died over there while we collectively did nothing.

1 Tortured vs 55,000 DEAD.

[Arlington123]

Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:

“Loved” “What she did was wonderful”. You have got to be kidding me. I don’t believe you are a NAM combat vet, you must be an imposter or bleeding heart liberal. There is no one more universally hated by Vietnam vets than Jane Fonda.

Regardless of your opinion of our participation in that war, Men were dying, maimed, and taken prisoner and tortured. All while she was in Hanoi being used as propaganda spokesperson by Vietnam. History will show that she is a traitor of the worst possible kind. Don’t buy this hype folks, this opinion is in the minority of Vietnam vets. USMC Vietnam 69-70.

[Fairway Cruises]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.

Greepeace did a complete 180 years ago. It's not the organization it once was, far from it. The co founder left some years ago as they went in a left leaning direction and their agenda's changed. Dr Patrick Moore is well worth paying attention to. Catch him on youtube. Just tap in patrick moore huckerbee and watch the interview!

[Girlcopper]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.
Greenpeace is no better than Jane. They deserve each other

[Worldseries27]

jane fonda was a true heroin to those of us in vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young american soldiers lives.:bigbow:
jane fonda's goal was to help sap the will of the american forces fighting in vietnam. She was encouraging our soldiers not to fight and disobey orders received from their officers. She was giving aid and comfort to the enemy
similar to california born tokyo rose who did the same to our soldiers, pilots, and sailors.
Tokyo rose was fined and convicted for treason and spent 10 years in prison and jane fonda escaped punishment

[Annie66]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimJohnson View Post
Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.

Please name one soldier she saved?

I wonder if the soldier that passed her the note during a handshake feels as JJ does? She gave it to the guards. He was beaten to h_ll.

I know that Naval Aviator that passed the note. Following the incident, he wound up having both of his arms broken by his captors along with other injuries. I worked for him in London. I was one of his aides. On my first day at the HQ, I was advised by a friend that there were 2 words never to utter in his presence. I guess you can figure out what they were.

[Stu from NYC]

I know that Naval Aviator that passed the note. Following the incident, he wound up having both of his arms broken by his captors along with other injuries. I worked for him in London. I was one of his aides. On my first day at the HQ, I was advised by a friend that there were 2 words never to utter in his presence. I guess you can figure out what they were.

Thank you so much for sharing.

[camaguey48]

Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:
Is that so? A true heroine (not heroin as that is a dangerous drug). This person, for lack of a much worse word, was and still is a disgrace to millions of American soldiers and their families. She should have stayed there and become their spokesperson, just like Tokyo Rose did for the Japanese. A godless person.

[La lamy]

I have to admit I didn't know about "Hanoi Jane" so I researched it and found out she never meant to disrespect any Americans and apologized many times for the unfortunate picture that she mistakenly got involved with. Doesn't she deserve to be forgiven? We all make stupid mistakes.
“It happened on my last day in Hanoi…The translator told me that the soldiers wanted to sing me a song… The soldiers asked me to sing for them in return…I memorized a song called Day Ma Di, written by anti-war South Vietnamese students. I knew I was slaughtering it, but everyone seemed delighted that I was making the attempt. I finished. Everyone was laughing and clapping, including me… someone (I don’t remember who) led me towards the gun, and I sat down, still laughing, still applauding. It all had nothing to do with where I was sitting. I hardly even thought about where I was sitting. The cameras flashed…

It is possible that it was a set up, that the Vietnamese had it all planned. I will never know. But if they did I can’t blame them. The buck stops here. If I was used, I allowed it to happen. It was my mistake and I have paid and continue to pay a heavy price for it… I have apologized numerous times for any pain I may have caused servicemen and their families because of this photograph. It was never my intention to cause harm.”

[vanjon]

To me that was inexcusable and her citizenship should have been revoked while she spent the rest of her life in hard labor.

Lots of people protested the war without giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

I am Vietnamese and I totally agree with you. Her action and picture of seat an anti-aircraft gun will be forever in our mind as a traitor, the communist using those as a weapon, we lost our country, our home and grateful to settle in the country with freedom as America. Don't stay in this country and support what you do not know, look at million people die on the sea just try to get out of communist. Shame on her, I wish to have a chance to face her

[WesMan]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.
Thanks!!! She is no good!!!!!!!

[Dahabs]

First thank you for your service.


There were many ways to show you disagreed with what we did. It just seems to me that was she did was treasonous giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Many share your opinion but is this really what she was doing or was she exposing the failed policies of of bad leadership? Is blindly following (and keeping quiet) about bad and sometimes immoral policies always the right thing to do? Reminds me of Mark Twain's quote "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it". Many are way too quick to equate country with government.

[jeffy]

I enter the US Army Military Police July 31 1972, while Vietnam was still going on. I thank Jane Fonda for her courageous activities to help shorten this horrible and mistaken war. Reports of her giving notes written by POWs to captures is false, easy to check out. Thank you Jane for helping to shorten the war and saving many lives, possibly mine.

[Ndomines]

In my native country and almost anywhere else in the world a traitor would have been hung as an example, but I guess here we are more civil.

The traitors? Really?
The traitors are the faceless oligarchs that control wealth in our country. The industrial military complex. The politicians that many people blame are just puppets. The mass media outlets are a machine; manipulated by the very same people that profit from war. We all witnessed these last four years the extent to which they will go to maintain control or as we saw most recently the money they will spend to get it back. Get ready folks, more money is made by war than building bridges.

[Eg_cruz]

Many share your opinion but is this really what she was doing or was she exposing the failed policies of of bad leadership? Is blindly following (and keeping quiet) about bad and sometimes immoral policies always the right thing to do? Reminds me of Mark Twain's quote "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it". Many are way too quick to equate country with government.
In my opinion it’s was more about her aiding the enemy. When she gave the note to them that’s when why she was there didn’t matter anymore. Had it been your loved one that passed her the note......where would you stand?

[Two Bills]

This is interesting.
The Colonel name in the story, completely denies it ever happened.

Col. Jerry Driscoll Debunks the Jane Fonda Vietnam Hoax - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlc3iy32qjs)

[Arlington123]

Don’t be so naive. Vietnam like all wars was blood and guts, death and hell. Jane Fonda knew exactly what she was doing. Her statements apologizing ring hollow. She can’t apologize to those that died and suffered. She can’t apologize to those families who lost their sons, who lost their fathers. She can’t apologize to those that survived because we know all the real truth.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.

I've always 👎for both.

[jbrown132]

The Hollywood elite. Not much difference back then than now.

[Pillowtalk]

No one is perfect. You have to weigh the bad against the good to define their true character. You say you donate to Greenpeace and now that you found out Jane Fonda donates her time to make it better for everyone you are going to punish Greenpeace?
What does that say about your character?

[jbrown132]

Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:
I have many many friends who served in Viet Nam and everyone of them would like to have seen her tried for treason.

[Captainpd]

Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:
Guess you don't remember that she was given a note from the prisoners that she promptly gave to the the North Vietnam guards. The prisoners were beaten and 2 died. She is and was traitor

[mk1126]

Uncle Ho and the Cong would never have given up in that struggle even if it continued ad absurdum. LBJ still hung on to the "Domino' theory. Maybe the right move in Korea in 1950 but not in French Indochina.

[JimJohnson]

“Loved” “What she did was wonderful”. You have got to be kidding me. I don’t believe you are a NAM combat vet, you must be an imposter or bleeding heart liberal. There is no one more universally hated by Vietnam vets than Jane Fonda.

Regardless of your opinion of our participation in that war, Men were dying, maimed, and taken prisoner and tortured. All while she was in Hanoi being used as propaganda spokesperson by Vietnam. History will show that she is a traitor of the worst possible kind. Don’t buy this hype folks, this opinion is in the minority of Vietnam vets. USMC Vietnam 69-70.

87011

This frame is proudly displayed in my man cave. I’m proud of my service to country.

I was there! You are missing the distinction between FACT and Propaganda. :1rotfl:

[richs631]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.

That traitor is a spokesperson for many companies. FYI. For those who want to forgive and forget, Do your homework

[richs631]

Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:

With all due respect she did NOT save lives. Do your homework

[Bridget Staunton]

I have no comment for Fonda. I want to say thanks to all that served. Mighty men & women

[richs631]

I must add, I am sure I know more about the Vietnam conflict than some and a whole lot more than the large majority of those giving opinions about it that are unaware of what really went on. I am a 22 year veteran of the Army, a decorated Combat Veteran and if called today would rush to be back in any conflict that my country needed me for, but I also believe we should never have been in Vietnam. The United States was wrong, and committed crimes against the people and especially children of Vietnam.

I definitely believe we should not have been in that War, but to call her an American hero, really, she saved lives, really. Sorry, no way.

[soniak4@gmail.com]

First, to all who served in VIetnam, THANK YOU and WELCOME HOME!!! One of the great tragedies of that war, the one where the US did not belong, is that we, the people, blamed the heroes who were there, giving their lives and body parts in the name of US democracy. Our great citizens criticized those heroes, spat at them when they returned home and refused to give them jobs and housing upon their return. That war was a tremendous blemish in our history. Jane Fonda had the gonads to stand and tell the truth and worked tirelessly to bring an end to that war and get our soldiers home. I salute her. I appreciate her and all the demonstrators who opposed that war and raised their voices to call out the perpetrators of that travesty. Good on you JANE!!! And again, to all Vietnam vets, thank you and welcome home.

[Linnberg]

Folks we are already so divided, as much or more than the 60s.
Why would we add to the divisions now by bringing up such a controversial issue from the past?
This had to set off more negative emotion feelings and continue to split us in half.
We need to unite over
Positives not negatives.

[Diverdave]

The Real Story Behind Jane Fonda'''s '''Hanoi Jane''' Nickname | Time (https://time.com/5116479/jane-fonda-hanoi-jane-nickname/)

Research and then research some more.
So her defense is i didn't know where I was sitting? You were in NORTH FREAKING VIETNAM! The defense that EVERYONE WAS DOING IT" never worked when I tried that crud with my mom. You can't protest your government during a time of war without protesting the grunt on the ground. Courageous? Are you kidding me? She was famous and rich, and that status was never in jeopardy.

Just my two cents, I could be wrong...

[jammendolia]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimJohnson View Post
Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.

Please name one soldier she saved?

I wonder if the soldier that passed her the note during a handshake feels as JJ does? She gave it to the guards. He was beaten to h_ll.
That note passing story has been going on for years and has been repeatedly reputed. Do the research

[rmd2]

I have to admit I didn't know about "Hanoi Jane" so I researched it and found out she never meant to disrespect any Americans and apologized many times for the unfortunate picture that she mistakenly got involved with. Doesn't she deserve to be forgiven? We all make stupid mistakes.
“It happened on my last day in Hanoi…The translator told me that the soldiers wanted to sing me a song… The soldiers asked me to sing for them in return…I memorized a song called Day Ma Di, written by anti-war South Vietnamese students. I knew I was slaughtering it, but everyone seemed delighted that I was making the attempt. I finished. Everyone was laughing and clapping, including me… someone (I don’t remember who) led me towards the gun, and I sat down, still laughing, still applauding. It all had nothing to do with where I was sitting. I hardly even thought about where I was sitting. The cameras flashed…

It is possible that it was a set up, that the Vietnamese had it all planned. I will never know. But if they did I can’t blame them. The buck stops here. If I was used, I allowed it to happen. It was my mistake and I have paid and continue to pay a heavy price for it… I have apologized numerous times for any pain I may have caused servicemen and their families because of this photograph. It was never my intention to cause harm.”

I don't believe a word of that. Very self-serving, Jane.

[jrm4081@juno.com]

My husband was in Viet Nam and lost 29 West Point classmates there. It was a terrible and totally unnecessary war. Whether Jane Fonda is a hero or not depending on each person's opinion, the picture of her standing with a big gun aimed at our air planes will never be forgotten. There were other ways for her to protest.

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

Very smart move!!!

[jrm4081@juno.com]

Also, we were told by Viet Nam vets in the know that when Jane visited the prison camp, each soldier handed her a tiny slip of paper with their social security number on it as she shook their hands but at the end, she turned the papers over to the guard. This story has been told so many times that I do believe it.

[Marine1974]

Semper Fi

[waynehal55]

Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:
I just threw up on my keyboard.
Thanks a lot.

[taruffi57]

And she is STILL unrepentant.

[rjn5656]

She is nothing more than a traitor.

[Ndomines]

Hanoi Jane should have been permanently exiled from the USA. I'm sure Vietnam would have welcomed her.

Jane Fonda is mot wanted in Vietnam anymore than Rosie O’Donnel is wanted in Canada.

[Taltarzac725]

Also, we were told by Viet Nam vets in the know that when Jane visited the prison camp, each soldier handed her a tiny slip of paper with their social security number on it as she shook their hands but at the end, she turned the papers over to the guard. This story has been told so many times that I do believe it.

Did Jane Fonda Betray American POWs in North Vietnam? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jane-fonda-pows/) It is false! Used Snopes.

[Topspinmo]

I'd be willing to bet many here bashing Jane Fonda just voted for a traitor in Donald Trump. Irony is lost on you people.

I think somebody got bashed in the head too much by hockey stick. O the irony.

[Two Bills]

Guess you don't remember that she was given a note from the prisoners that she promptly gave to the the North Vietnam guards. The prisoners were beaten and 2 died. She is and was traitor

Please watch the link in post #44

[airstreamingypsy]

Jane was very young, made a mistake, and has apologized again and again. Geenpeace is an amazing organization, withdrawing support and writing a letter about Jane will show them. Jane is worth 200 million dollars, I'm sure you withdrawing your measly support will devastate them.

[airstreamingypsy]

And she is STILL unrepentant.>

Is she? how many times does she have to apologize before you think she is repentant?

[Topspinmo]

Mine!! I was scheduled to go back in 1975. Do to the heroic efforts of Jane Fonda and thousands of other protesters the final Americans were pulled out by 30 April 1975.

Thank you Jane for not choosing to dodge your service to the problem in Vietnam. :bigbow:

Actually it was arc light and rolling thunder that brought NV to peace table. You can thank Johnson for VN war.

[NotGolfer]

Johnson was responsible for the war and it didn't have to do with politics over there but $$ and power. Hanoi Jane "was" hated by many and it continues on today. She's very liberal in her ideologies. Why anyone would say she did a lot for the war effort must have been smoking weed. The man who was tortured because of her (don't know if he's still living) probably would disagree vehemently with JimJohnson on his comments.

[wganderson13]

What are you squawking about? We've haven't won a war in 70 years. They all died for nothing. I used my 2-S deferment. LBJ put it in to be used by us patriots. There's a good reason why we're universally hated thru out the world.

[quietpine]

We’re you there? I don’t recall any irreparable harm. I remember a lot of people dying for reasons that became increasingly unsupportable when subjected to the scrutiny of a free press and public outrage. The protests became a movement and leaders emerged and then the unpopular war ended.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

“Loved” “What she did was wonderful”. You have got to be kidding me. I don’t believe you are a NAM combat vet, you must be an imposter or bleeding heart liberal. There is no one more universally hated by Vietnam vets than Jane Fonda.

Regardless of your opinion of our participation in that war, Men were dying, maimed, and taken prisoner and tortured. All while she was in Hanoi being used as propaganda spokesperson by Vietnam. History will show that she is a traitor of the worst possible kind. Don’t buy this hype folks, this opinion is in the minority of Vietnam vets. USMC Vietnam 69-70. maybe in the bubble of the villages vest gang , but in the real world there are a larger group of vets that have come to realize without the demonstrations the war would have gone on longer

[New Englander]

i have to admit i didn't know about "hanoi jane" doesn't she deserve to be forgiven? ”

no she doesn't

[Jokomo]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.

You support GREENPEACE because you believe in their cause, and you’re withdrawing support because what some 80 year old lady did 50 years ago?? Let it go.

[HRDave]

The tens of thousands that did not go and die after Jane helped stop the conflict. Research factual sites and you will find what a wonderful Heroin Jane was.:pray:

You mean heroine?? Maybe you were right the first time. She’s Heroin. Dangerous!!

[htsoftware]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.

The traitor should have been executed.

[BenBen]

Good for you!

[Worldseries27]

actually it was arc light and rolling thunder that brought nv to peace table. You can take johnson for vn war.
the geneva accords of 1954 ended the french involvement in the war. It partioned vietnam at the 17 th parralel creating north and south vietnam it called for foreign nationals to leave by 1956 and to have a reunification election between the two partioned vietnams.
The north agreed.
The south and the usa refused to allow the election to take place because they feared a communist victory.
Instead of withdrawing troops eisenhower and kennedy sent in thousands of them
so if the usa had adhered to the geneva accords
1 an election would have reunified the 2 vietnams as 1 country with a communist government as it does to this day
2. 58,209 american servicemen would not have died
3. Millions of non combatants who became collateral damage would have survived
currently communist vietnam is an american vacation spot, business partner and military ally of the usa. They join in war games with the usa and our allies to reign in the military expansion of communist china.
Lay the blame not on lbj but rather and primarily upon eisenhower and then kennedy
veritas.

[FREDDYD83]

She was a trader and a disgrace to the USA .

[cemlopez]

You are absolutely right, she is a discussing A!!hole.

[Velvet]

My husband was in Viet Nam and lost 29 West Point classmates there. It was a terrible and totally unnecessary war. Whether Jane Fonda is a hero or not depending on each person's opinion, the picture of her standing with a big gun aimed at our air planes will never be forgotten. There were other ways for her to protest.

Again, if she did that against my native country there is not a chance in hell she’d be around today. Unbelievable!

[Sherry8bal]

Good for you!!! Too many people have given this traitor to our country too many favors. She should have been shunned and berated years and years ago. She's a trator!

[Byte1]

Jane Fonda was/IS a scumbag to put it politely, but honestly. Just because she thought she was right and some misled and unfortunate ideologues think she was right, does not preclude her from being a traitor and lower than dirt. If not a celebrity, she would have been punished, severely punished. She was the exact opposite of being patriotic and a lot of Americans were hurt because of her.

[donfey]

i'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember jane fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as hanoi jane.

Well, i've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for greenpeace, an organization to which i've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as i will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and fyi for those interested.

thank you!

[donfey]

Naive, I suppose, but she was still a traitor and should have been charged as such.

[Curtisbwp]

I agree as a combat vet of viet nam

[Byte1]

I have to admit I didn't know about "Hanoi Jane" so I researched it and found out she never meant to disrespect any Americans and apologized many times for the unfortunate picture that she mistakenly got involved with. Doesn't she deserve to be forgiven? We all make stupid mistakes.
“It happened on my last day in Hanoi…The translator told me that the soldiers wanted to sing me a song… The soldiers asked me to sing for them in return…I memorized a song called Day Ma Di, written by anti-war South Vietnamese students. I knew I was slaughtering it, but everyone seemed delighted that I was making the attempt. I finished. Everyone was laughing and clapping, including me… someone (I don’t remember who) led me towards the gun, and I sat down, still laughing, still applauding. It all had nothing to do with where I was sitting. I hardly even thought about where I was sitting. The cameras flashed…

It is possible that it was a set up, that the Vietnamese had it all planned. I will never know. But if they did I can’t blame them. The buck stops here. If I was used, I allowed it to happen. It was my mistake and I have paid and continue to pay a heavy price for it… I have apologized numerous times for any pain I may have caused servicemen and their families because of this photograph. It was never my intention to cause harm.”

Are you suggesting that she meant no harm, and that she was just STUPID? How many of our celebrities visit the enemy in our wars and cavort with them in front of POWs? Sorry, but most Americans are NOT stupid enough to believe anything she has to say.

I have not been to ANY movies where she was a star.

[petiteone]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.

As the widow of a Vietnam soldier KIA 1966, I never felt Jane did harm. She spoke up against the US getting involved in an ill fated war we had no business in. She was right. We lost the war and lost blood and treasure for no reason.

[JSR22]

Are you suggesting that she meant no harm, and that she was just STUPID? How many of our celebrities visit the enemy in our wars and cavort with them in front of POWs? Sorry, but most Americans are NOT stupid enough to believe anything she has to say.

I have not been to ANY movies where she was a star.

You have missed some very good movies! 9 t0 5, book club, on golden pond and many more.
it happened 50 years ago, she is over 80 and has apologized many times. time to move on.

[Byte1]

87011

This frame is proudly displayed in my man cave. I’m proud of my service to country.

I was there! You are missing the distinction between FACT and Propaganda. :1rotfl:

John Kerry had some medals too............:1rotfl:

[Byte1]

Green Peace was labeled a terrorist organization years ago. I can see where she would find comfort in associating with the like minded.

[sunglow]

Yes! Thank you, Jane for your courage and your compassion.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Jane is always fighting for what is best for the country and it's about time we all appreciate those that put their mouths (and money) where it actually counts. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face with regard to a donation to Greenpeace is ridiculous.

[Joe V.]

87011

This frame is proudly displayed in my man cave. I’m proud of my service to country.

I was there! You are missing the distinction between FACT and Propaganda. :1rotfl:

Is it your intention now to start a dual of shadow boxes? Gimme a break.

[KRM0614]

How soon some organizations forget.

She should be spending her life in prison at hard labor
She was the awful person who said Covid was a gift to the left ! That’s awful regardless of political party

[KRM0614]

Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:
That’s awful to say that

[raynan]

The Vietnam War: A film by Ken Burns & Lynn Novick (http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/home/)


An award winning documentary of the war, in detail.

That film was a disgrace and an insult to Vietnam Vets!

[TommyT]

:mad: :mad: :mad:

:swear: :swear: :swear:

[michtofla]

You’re a traitor!!!

[LindaMcK]

The difference between Fonda and the other protesters is that Fonda visited the enemy's country. She paraded in front of our servicemen who were being tortured and starved. If she had protested in the USA, she wouldn't have been universally hated.

[Villages Kahuna]

“Damage” done by Hanoi Jane, if any, is a drop in the bucket compared to the impact that our elected representatives are having on much of what we have held dear about our democracy and way of life.

[Fredman]

If an ordinary citizen would have done what she did they would have been charged with treason and been put in jail. But the rules are different for Hollywood celebrities.

[gb1944]

I have a friend who was in the Hanoi Hilton when she visited. She called every thing but a son of man.
She should have been tried for treason.
I was in “Nam” 1968-69

[graciegirl]

The tens of thousands that did not go and die after Jane helped stop the conflict. Research factual sites and you will find what a wonderful Heroin Jane was.:pray:

She did drugs?

[Giolinh]

Jim-Did you fly over NVN while this Treasonous low life was manning an ENEMY AAA gun??? I did and so did many of my cohorts. For you to say this is beyond the pale. I believe I understand you, but you don't realize how much it affected our morale and mental well being. I wonder what you job was in the NAM? S/F George Miske LtCol USMC(ret)

[dwhite5773]

jane fonda was a true heroin to those of us in vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young american soldiers lives.:bigbow:
wtf??

[deestatham@aol.com]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.

I hope everyone follows your lead. I don’t care how sorry she is at 80+. She betrayed our country and a lot of guys never got to come home.

[Wizie1949]

I’m hopeful my past mistakes won’t be judged by you. Not as bad as Janes but things I am not proud of just the same, like not joining civil rights peaceful protests I know I have changed over the last 50 years and suspect she has too. Congratulations on having led a sin free life

[Stu from NYC]

Jim-I forgot to add that most of my cohorts were shot down. We lost 623 jet a/c over the North mostly due to a President and Sec Def who had zero brains and let 4400 SAMS into NVN sent by the VIRUS guys from CHINA. Plus the ridiculous rules from the White House that restricted us from hitting certain targets--ie MIG bases, the harbors and even shooting down enemy MIG a/c. Read "Dragon's Jaw" 2019 that finally exposes all the BS we had to put up with. Note--It continued until 2016 when we finally got a real President!

Thank you for your service.

Do not understand politicians who think they know more about fighting a war than the people who were trained to do so.

[amytty]

The Vietnam War was a tragic mistake that cost tens of thousands precious lives. Jane should have stayed out of there and filmed Barbarella II.

Actually the American war in Vietnam cost the lives of more than 3.5 million people. We need to remember that Vietnamese, Cambodian and Laotian lives also matter.
Vietnam War casualties - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties)

[cassjax2]

Thank you for the info. She is a menace!!

[cassjax2]

Everyone’s life matters. Compartmentalizing people into categories, I think, has caused the problems we have today. Just a thought.....

[Dana1963]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.
I remember seeing her picture in NV. Reading the ”Pentagon Papers” in The Boston Globe affected me more 1971.

[jmpalladino]

[QUOTE=Travelingal702;1862907]I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Can't we just learn to forgive and forget?

[Byte1]

If Hanoi Jane was so sorry, it did not show in her interviews. She was sorry that she is despised, yes. It did not stop her from continuing to make millions in Hollywood. She is nothing more than an ignorant and spoiled elitist that grew up in Hollywood, raised by rich parents in make believe land. She has never said that she is ashamed of what she did. She simply made excuses for her behavior and said that no one understood her intentions. She was sorry that everyone was too ignorant to understand her.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Green Peace was labeled a terrorist organization years ago. I can see where she would find comfort in associating with the like minded. then our government should be , hunting them down

[Guitarman1951]

Have despised her since that time. She is unrepentant and could care less about the harm she did to those soldiers due her fantasy believe that they were the enemy. They were tortured due to her actions. She is the epitome of a despicable, spoiled Hollywood brat. She should be put in a cage and whipped daily and starved like those guys were.

[Aloha1]

Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:
I cannot share your opinion as I lost too many friends there.She is a Traitor pure and simple.

[Guitarman1951]

“Damage” done by Hanoi Jane, if any, is a drop in the bucket compared to the impact that our elected representatives are having on much of what we have held dear about our democracy and way of life.

How can you just look over what she did to those men as "if any". I doubt you say something that stupid if you had been there.

[Guitarman1951]

She was dead wrong and she caused a lot of harm to those particular soldiers and to the morale of many other soldiers. I didn't believe in the war either but that doesn't excuse someone doing what she did.

[Guitarman1951]

What are you squawking about? We've haven't won a war in 70 years. They all died for nothing. I used my 2-S deferment. LBJ put it in to be used by us patriots. There's a good reason why we're universally hated thru out the world.

How can you actually, in all good conscience, say what you said. That is pathetically inconsiderate. A lot of my friends went over there and were wounded or killed. They didn't have a deferment like you. You are despicable.

[Topspinmo]

I have to admit I didn't know about "Hanoi Jane" so I researched it and found out she never meant to disrespect any Americans and apologized many times for the unfortunate picture that she mistakenly got involved with. Doesn't she deserve to be forgiven? We all make stupid mistakes.
“It happened on my last day in Hanoi…The translator told me that the soldiers wanted to sing me a song… The soldiers asked me to sing for them in return…I memorized a song called Day Ma Di, written by anti-war South Vietnamese students. I knew I was slaughtering it, but everyone seemed delighted that I was making the attempt. I finished. Everyone was laughing and clapping, including me… someone (I don’t remember who) led me towards the gun, and I sat down, still laughing, still applauding. It all had nothing to do with where I was sitting. I hardly even thought about where I was sitting. The cameras flashed…

It is possible that it was a set up, that the Vietnamese had it all planned. I will never know. But if they did I can’t blame them. The buck stops here. If I was used, I allowed it to happen. It was my mistake and I have paid and continue to pay a heavy price for it… I have apologized numerous times for any pain I may have caused servicemen and their families because of this photograph. It was never my intention to cause harm.”


No.

[Topspinmo]

the geneva accords of 1954 ended the french involvement in the war. It partioned vietnam at the 17 th parralel creating north and south vietnam it called for foreign nationals to leave by 1956 and to have a reunification election between the two partioned vietnams.
The north agreed.
The south and the usa refused to allow the election to take place because they feared a communist victory.
Instead of withdrawing troops eisenhower and kennedy sent in thousands of them
so if the usa had adhered to the geneva accords
1 an election would have reunified the 2 vietnams as 1 country with a communist government as it does to this day
2. 58,209 american servicemen would not have died
3. Millions of non combatants who became collateral damage would have survived
currently communist vietnam is an american vacation spot, business partner and military ally of the usa. They join in war games with the usa and our allies to reign in the military expansion of communist china.
Lay the blame not on lbj but rather and primarily upon eisenhower and then kennedy
veritas.


Johnson ramped up military involvement. I agree Eisenhower and Kennedy Started our involvement and elevated slightly, Johnson elevated it to several thousands.

[jimjamuser]

The Vietnam War was a tragic mistake that cost tens of thousands precious lives. Jane should have stayed out of there and filmed Barbarella II.
Barbarella WAS good! I try not to care about what actors do with their off-screen life. Take for example, Mel Gibson - I could care less if he gets drunk and disorderly - he is/was a GREAT actor and a pretty good director.

[jimjamuser]

I must add, I am sure I know more about the Vietnam conflict than some and a whole lot more than the large majority of those giving opinions about it that are unaware of what really went on. I am a 22 year veteran of the Army, a decorated Combat Veteran and if called today would rush to be back in any conflict that my country needed me for, but I also believe we should never have been in Vietnam. The United States was wrong, and committed crimes against the people and especially children of Vietnam.
And now we trade with them. They are not trying to affect our elections like other countries. They don't have intercontinental missiles pointed at the US, like North Korea.

[Stu from NYC]

Barbarella WAS good! I try not to care about what actors do with their off-screen life. Take for example, Mel Gibson - I could care less if he gets drunk and disorderly - he is/was a GREAT actor and a pretty good director.

She was a very good looking woman with a great body but as a person she is a disgusting disgraceful traitor who should have been punished severely.

[Bucco]

“Damage” done by Hanoi Jane, if any, is a drop in the bucket compared to the impact that our elected representatives are having on much of what we have held dear about our democracy and way of life.

The very day she posed on a tank, I was with a pal of mine who died later that day from a sniper bullet to the head after much suffering.

Yet, as you say, the complete damage being done at present makes it look like a parlor game. She you can forget.....this will remain for many years to come.

[kenoc7]

I'm sure there are many military retirees/veterans who remember Jane Fonda of the 70's and the irreparable harm she did, as HANOI JANE.

Well, I've just discovered that she is the spokesperson for GREENPEACE, an organization to which I've contributed over the years.

I've just mailed a letter requesting they remove my name from their mailing list, as I will no longer be a contributor to an organization that has a traitor as their spokesperson.

Just putting in my two cents and FYI for those interested.
How foolish can anyone be. Some may have seen her as a traitor at the time but history sees her as a hero for speaking out against an unjustified war and saving thousands of lives of those who didn't have to go there because protests contributed to the ending of that horrible, unnecessary war. I'm pleased to acknowledge that I had the pleasure of attempting to throw rotten tomatoes at Lyndon Johnson's car on one occasion during that war.

[dadoiron]

How soon some organizations forget.

She should be spending her life in prison at hard labor

👍 Absolutely yes

[Arlington123]

87011

This frame is proudly displayed in my man cave. I’m proud of my service to country.

I was there! You are missing the distinction between FACT and Propaganda. :1rotfl:

You are correct..you have your facts and propaganda confused.

[waltwl]

I don't believe you even served in Vietnam with that comment.

[tvbound]

“Damage” done by Hanoi Jane, if any, is a drop in the bucket compared to the impact that our elected representatives are having on much of what we have held dear about our democracy and way of life.

History will prove, that you've actually hugely underestimated the comparison. It's beyond surreal right now.

[joelfmi]

[sgoloboy@syjcc.orgQUOTE=JimJohnson;1862993]Jane Fonda was a true heroin to those of us in Vietnam during the conflict. Those of us that served and had sufficient gray matter to understand what she was doing for soldiers was wonderful. I love you Jane and will forever be great full for your commitment to saving young American soldiers lives.:bigbow:[/QUOTE]

[jimjamuser]

This liberal, commie, pinko crazy-talk sometimes goes too far. John Kerry is a fine American and a fine person. He has done more for America than I could do in a 100 years.

[PugMom]

wow, this thread is hot, & i'm glad it didn't get closed down before i could throw my 2cents in. what jane did was deplorable. i can't imagine the great shame she brought onto her dad by making this selfish, yes-i said it, selfish move. and it really is too bad, because she's a halfway decent actress! the gal had what it took to follow in dad's footsteps. all she had to do was shut up & sing. now she's looked @ as a fool by most, a hero to some, & desperate for attention to many. there's so many other ways to deliver her message, but chose what i see as a publicity stunt. very sad event all around

[Mken53]

What was your MOS, what years were you in a Vietnam and. Where were you stationed?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Johnson ramped up military involvement. I agree Eisenhower and Kennedy Started our involvement and elevated slightly, Johnson elevated it to several thousands.war even if he was killed before the push . He encouraged the Vietnamese generals to move against an elected president of Vietnam my Vietnamese paratroopers were moved into Saigon days before the coup , I was separated from them and told to stand down . The president and his brother could have been flown out of Saigon the day before the brothers were executed on Henry Cabot Lodges plane that was waiting for them but at the last minute the escape plans were canceled , the generals were worried if they stayed alive they would cause more trouble. It was really the start of the big lie , Kennedy may or not known of the plan to kill them but he was all in on the overthrow. As I left Vietnam after many years first as a soldier and later as a civilian in Laos , Cambodia and Vietnam on the day before the fall , I saw on the faces of newer people what I had known since 1966 that the great liehad been finally exposed , we couldn’t win , smart men in Washington knee it , but no smart man knew how to get out of it so the great lie finally ended in total failure

[Topspinmo]

This liberal, commie, pinko crazy-talk sometimes goes too far. John Kerry is a fine American and a fine person. He has done more for America than I could do in a 100 years.

Hello, nobody home upstairs! Who brought John Kerry into this?

[Topspinmo]

What are you squawking about? We've haven't won a war in 70 years. They all died for nothing. I used my 2-S deferment. LBJ put it in to be used by us patriots. There's a good reason why we're universally hated thru out the world.

That exactly why the when to lottery drafts system. To cut down on the political favored deferments, and take away some of the selective power of draft boards.

[Topspinmo]

The traitors? Really?
The traitors are the faceless oligarchs that control wealth in our country. The industrial military complex. The politicians that many people blame are just puppets. The mass media outlets are a machine; manipulated by the very same people that profit from war. We all witnessed these last four years the extent to which they will go to maintain control or as we saw most recently the money they will spend to get it back. Get ready folks, more money is made by war than building bridges.


I agree except was talking what would happen another country. in another country she would of never had privilege’s she got off her dads name. She was spoiled little brat had no clue how common men and woman live and survive in ANY country.

[JimJohnson]

I agree except was talking what would happen another country. in another country she would of never had privilege’s she got off her dads name. She was spoiled little brat had no clue how common men and woman live and survive in ANY country.

“ She was spoiled little brat had no clue how common men and woman live and survive in ANY country.”

Why does that sound so familiar? :boxing2:

Think twice and post once.

[Dahabs]

The traitor should have been executed.

Wow! Did she share military secrets with the enemy? Need to revisit the definition of a traitor. Last I heard, opposing your government's policy was considered freedom of speech and not traitorous.