Access To Spanish Springs

[jwilkin558@aol.com]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?

[John_W]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?

At the next Villages Community District meeting in your district, bring that question up. What district are you in, I'm not familiar with the Village of Spruce Creek. :1rotfl:

[stanley]

At the next Villages Community District meeting in your district, bring that question up. What district are you in, I'm not familiar with the Village of Spruce Creek. :1rotfl:

Spruce Creek is not part of TV. OP is talking about the back gate on the Historic side. As to the OP's question...I don't know

[graciegirl]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?

Over the last decade and more, more than twenty people have died from golf cart accidents in The Villages, and dozens more were seriously injured. Who ever is in charge of keeping golf carts out from other communities has my support. I would have to guess that almost all of the households have at least one golf cart, many have two. We are hovering now at 140,000 residents. That is lots and lots of golf carts with the potential for many accidents.

I imagine the reason you can't get IN, is because you don't live here and pay fees.

[Stu from NYC]

Over the last decade and more, more than twenty people have died from golf cart accidents in The Villages, and dozens more were seriously injured. Who ever is in charge of keeping golf carts out from other communities has my support. I would have to guess that almost all of the households have at least one golf cart, many have two. We are hovering now at 140,000 residents. That is lots and lots of golf carts with the potential for many accidents.

I imagine the reason you can't get IN, is because you don't live here and pay fees.

We seem to be one of the few Villagers without a golf cart. Do not play golf and many of the places we normally go are not golf cart accessible.

Why would someone who does not live in the villages and not pay fees for our entertainment expect easy access?

[Kenswing]

We seem to be one of the few Villagers without a golf cart. Do not play golf and many of the places we normally go are not golf cart accessible.

Why would someone who does not live in the villages and not pay fees for our entertainment expect easy access?
The Town Squares are open to the public. You don't have to be a Villager to enjoy that entertainment. It's free to everyone.

The fact that she wants golf cart access is a whole different issue. If you want golf cart access to The Villages, buy IN The Villages.

[tophcfa]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?

Anyone can come to the Villages via automobile regardless of where they live, the roads are public. However, the multi modal paths, which golf carts travel on, are not public paths and are there for the use of people residing within the Villages. You can get around this by getting a street legal golf cart and using the public roads to get into the Villages.

[John_W]

...I imagine the reason you can't get IN, is because you don't live here and pay fees.

There's your answer.

[Two Bills]

Probably want priority tee times, and use all facilities next, seeing as they can get to them all by car!:icon_wink:

[neikenberry]

The same reasons golf carts can't enter from outside communities apply to Spruce Creek and Stonecrest. Both of those communities do not allow outside golf carts to enter, although they allow cars to enter to use the facilities. TV golf multi-modal paths are private pathways maintained by residents amenity fees. TV streets are public right of ways.

[Scott O]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?
Seriously? Do you believe we should care...

[Neils]

Spruce Creek is not part of TV. OP is talking about the back gate on the Historic side. As to the OP's question...I don't know

Where is this back gate? Can I drive my cart to/from Spruce Creek if I have TV gate card?

[Eg_cruz]

Seriously? Do you believe we should care...
Why so mean........

[Parker614]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?

Can resident's of The Villages use the fitness center or pools, etc, at Soruce Creek??? No!! We pay for our amenities. You pay for yours. There is no reason non-Vilkagera sgoukd used our golf cart paths. You already get to enjoy free music at 3 town squares, lots of shops and restaurants within The Villages, etc.

[Fused Glass]

Where is this back gate? Can I drive my cart to/from Spruce Creek if I have TV gate card?
Yes

[Worldseries27]

i live in spruce creek south and i am able to drive my car everywhere in the villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because i would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?
and you are entitled
why???

[Eg_cruz]

At the next Villages Community District meeting in your district, bring that question up. What district are you in, I'm not familiar with the Village of Spruce Creek. :1rotfl:
Why so rude..........only one person gave a reasonable reply and no it wasn’t you

[Scott O]

Why so mean........
Nothing to do with mean...I believe it’s logic..you don’t live in the Villages you don’t get golfcart access...pretty simple concept...

[Raton270]

Spruce Creek is not in the villages

[kidnerkim]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?

You have to live in The Villages. You chose Spruce Creek.

[mrf6969]

Yes
If you live in TV why in the world would you want to golf cart to Spruce Creek South???

[Sjshanl]

You don’t need a key card. Just hit the red button on the panel.

[Rosebud1949]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?
May be as you are NOT a Village Resident. is the reason why you do NOT have a key card, and should not have one. We residents pay a great deal of money each month for our facilities. When you pay $150 for them you can have a key card. Why else would you need one unless you are using them. Those of us on limited budgets do get annoyed with these comments, and snowbirds saying they are the ones that subsidize us.... they pay $50 for up to six months use. Time for a change I think.

[Sjshanl]

As far as I know, just like your car, if you can get your cart to TV you can drive it there.

[Chloe Girl]

May be as you are NOT a Village Resident. is the reason why you do NOT have a key card, and should not have one. We residents pay a great deal of money each month for our facilities. When you pay $150 for them you can have a key card. Why else would you need one unless you are using them. Those of us on limited budgets do get annoyed with these comments, and snowbirds saying they are the ones that subsidize us.... they pay $50 for up to six months use. Time for a change I think.
Snowbirds pay for the amenities every month just like the rest of us. It's their choice to be here only part of the year and they shouldn't complain or feel that they subsidize anyone if they have to pay for the months that they aren't here. I'm sure when they bought at TV, they were told this.

[Two Bills]

May be as you are NOT a Village Resident. is the reason why you do NOT have a key card, and should not have one. We residents pay a great deal of money each month for our facilities. When you pay $150 for them you can have a key card. Why else would you need one unless you are using them. Those of us on limited budgets do get annoyed with these comments, and snowbirds saying they are the ones that subsidize us.... they pay $50 for up to six months use. Time for a change I think.

Actually the $50 is paid as an administration fee to TV for issuing a temporary resident pass.
Same as you pay, the full Amenity fee is paid by the landlord, who passes on the use of the resident pass to the renter. The landlord loses his right to use facilities during the rental period.
No one gets anything for nothing, so there is another worry of your mind!

[Bay Kid]

Wanting something for nothing.

[Rwirish]

If you want golf cart access live in TV.

[linurban]

You don’t need a key card. Just hit the red button on the panel.

No red button or speaker on that gate, you must have gate pass

[airdale2]

Street legal golf carts can only use streets which are 35 MPH or less. State Law

[stanley]

Where is this back gate? Can I drive my cart to/from Spruce Creek if I have TV gate card?

You don’t need a key card. Just hit the red button on the panel.

The OP is talking about the back gate, off Paradise Dr, Historic Side, with golf cart access only. Those of us north of 441/27 can get to Lowes, WalMart, Aldis etc....you have to have a Villages gate key to get back in, there is no red button and no access by car, and not "supposed" to be accessible to Spruce Creek and Stonecrest residents.

[photo1902]

Spruce Creek is not part of TV. OP is talking about the back gate on the Historic side. As to the OP's question...I don't know

Geesh, that went right over your head.

[stanley]

Geesh, that went right over your head.

How so?

[jbrown132]

Seriously? Do you believe we should care...
The Villages, Florida’s Friendliest Home Town.

[Rickanvic]

May be as you are NOT a Village Resident. is the reason why you do NOT have a key card, and should not have one. We residents pay a great deal of money each month for our facilities. When you pay $150 for them you can have a key card. Why else would you need one unless you are using them. Those of us on limited budgets do get annoyed with these comments, and snowbirds saying they are the ones that subsidize us.... they pay $50 for up to six months use. Time for a change I think.

WHAT?? I am so tired of hearing that "snowbirds" don't pay the TV fee. Who do you think pays it? IF YOU OWN A HOUSE IN TV, YOU PAY THE FEE. Whether you use the house, whether you rent it out, or whether it sits empty, YOU PAY THE FEE! I am always surprised at the people who complain of the snowbirds. They use the facilities part-time and pay fulltime. If there were no snowbirds, you would have the crowds year round!

[J1ceasar]

Public taxes do pay for square entertainment . All retail is for everybody . Don't be so rude to your neighbors. It's luck your here. Not because your a king or quern

[Scott O]

You don’t need a key card. Just hit the red button on the panel.
Haha, not one on that panel...😉

[Mortal1]

Why so mean........

not a 5 year old.

[Scott O]

The Villages, Florida’s Friendliest Home Town.
The villages aren’t pushovers either...

[Scott O]

Why so rude..........only one person gave a reasonable reply and no it wasn’t you
Why so whiny...it’s logic, should not have even been asked...

[CFrance]

May be as you are NOT a Village Resident. is the reason why you do NOT have a key card, and should not have one. We residents pay a great deal of money each month for our facilities. When you pay $150 for them you can have a key card. Why else would you need one unless you are using them. Those of us on limited budgets do get annoyed with these comments, and snowbirds saying they are the ones that subsidize us.... they pay $50 for up to six months use. Time for a change I think.
What? I think you are talking about renters. The owners of those TV houses they rent are paying amenity fees every month.

[Laidlaw193]

You don’t need a key card. Just hit the red button on the panel.

Not at that gate, for the obvious reason

[b0bd0herty]

Good answer. OP could go to Town Square & take the golf cart bridge across but, why would a non villager want to get into the villages?

[tlb50]

Are you listening to yourself? What difference does it make how he enters the Villages? He can drive his car there, spend his $ at a business, avail himself of the entertainment, so why not come in on a golf cart? I am certain the merchants in the area would welcome his business, especially in these trying times.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The historic side gate is really not very effective in stopping people from entering The Villages. From what I understand, they are allowed to cross 27/441 near the entrance of their development. That gives them access to Rio Grande which they are also allowed to cross.

The Historic Side gate only makes it less convenient for them.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Public taxes do pay for square entertainment . All retail is for everybody . Don't be so rude to your neighbors. It's luck your here. Not because your a king or quern

Everyone does have access. Just not by golf cart. From what I understand, The Villages residents pay for the multi modal paths.


People from all over the country, including Spruce Creek and Stonecrest can drive their cars to the squares.

One of the reasons that the gate was installed is that people from outside The Villages were coming over and playing on the executive courses after they had closed. The starters and ambassadors leave at 7:00. In the summer there is plenty of time to play nine holes or more.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

You don’t need a key card. Just hit the red button on the panel.

Sorry but you are mistaken. The cart gate (located in the historic section) thru which you must pass to enter TV doesn't have a red button as the public gates. The cart paths are for residents of TV whose fees pay for upkeep and access is restricted via gate cards.

[Sunflower1]

Hi, like this website, the golf cart paths are for our residents to use. You should be able to golf cart in Spruce Creek and enjoy their resident websites.

[TandHSTAR@AOL.com]

Thank you. I agree. Why should they be entitled to use our golf cart paths.? First of all Spruce Creek South is allowed to cross 441 by golf cart only at their entrance gate light. And that happened only about maybe 7 to 8 yrs ago. Before that they could not
It was given permission because people were complaining they could only use their golf cart in their community but wanted to shop in Wal-Mart and others stores on the east side if 441. But does not give you the right to use our golf cart paths that we pay for.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Golf cart access is via a golf cart path. The Villages owns that path, it is private property and accessible only by people who pay for the privilege of having a gate pass.

At one point, there was an impenetrable barrier between that back road and Paradise Avenue. No one could get in or out through it. It was because of security concerns that they put it up. Obviously outsiders were coming in, unimpeded, and causing problems.

But the VIllagers living there demanded it be taken down, as in many cases, golf cart access was their ONLY access to the medical facilities there (some people on the Historic side don't have cars, only golf carts).

After a few months it was taken down and replaced with swing gates and cameras. Even now, we get outsiders breaking through the gates, or waiting on the outside in their carts, for someone to let them in, claiming they "forgot their card."

And sometimes you see people trying to leave the Historic side, claiming they "forgot their card."

If I don't recognize you, and you are trying to leave the Villages toward the parking areas that have empty flatbeds, I'll check for your Villages ID. If you say you left your wallet at home, then you'll need to go back for it anyway to show the doctor's office your insurance card, or to pay for your products at the store.

But yes that's why you, someone who doesn't live in the villages, is not allowed to take your golf cart on private property that belongs to someone else.

[44Apple]

There's your answer.


That's an opinion, not an answer.

[Neils]

Actually the $50 is paid as an administration fee to TV for issuing a temporary resident pass.
Same as you pay, the full Amenity fee is paid by the landlord, who passes on the use of the resident pass to the renter. The landlord loses his right to use facilities during the rental period.
No one gets anything for nothing, so there is another worry of your mind!

If landlord gives guests a free guest pass for a monthly rental, the landlord can continue to use his resident pass

[n8xwb]

Roads in The Villages are public, hence available to residents and non-residents alike. Multi-modal (golf cart) paths are not. They are maintained using private resident funding. Why should/would we make their use available to residents of a non-Villages neighborhood? Are you OK with us stopping by and using, for example, your pools????

[Neils]

The OP is talking about the back gate, off Paradise Dr, Historic Side, with golf cart access only. Those of us north of 441/27 can get to Lowes, WalMart, Aldis etc....you have to have a Villages gate key to get back in, there is no red button and no access by car, and not "supposed" to be accessible to Spruce Creek and Stonecrest residents.

Thank you for the answer. I was hoping that I could get thru to Lowes from Spanish Springs that way.
Happy Thanksgiving

[tophcfa]

If you live in TV why in the world would you want to golf cart to Spruce Creek South???

We live in the Villages and last winter we took our golf cart to Stonecrest to play a round of golf. The course was a nice and challenging layout, the conditions were OK, but not great, and the Winter green fees were 1/2 of what we would have paid to play a Championship course in the Villages. We absolutely love being able to take our own cart golfing and it’s nice to have a lower cost option during the Winter months. When we finished playing golf we went out for a very nice dinner with the money we saved on green fees. We will be doing this again this upcoming winter.

[Linda Taranto]

I see people using the button to get through the gates all the time. Can't you do that?

[John_W]

Why so rude..........only one person gave a reasonable reply and no it wasn’t you

What are you, the rudeness police? What I posted was a response that was actually not rude. "At the next district meeting for the Village of Spruce Creek why don't you ask that question". I answered their question in a way that put the onus back on them. It's not our responsibility as Villagers to change our ways to accommodate a non-resident.

[Neils]

Rrr

[donfey]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?

Ditto the other direction. We would golf car to Cheers in the Stone Creek country club if we could.

[LuvtheVillages]

I see people using the button to get through the gates all the time. Can't you do that?

No, not at the gate under discussion. There is a gate on the historic side, golf carts only, that outsiders in golf carts would like to use to enter the Villages. It only operates with a resident pass. No red button.

The general public have been using our golf courses in the late evening and our pools all day long. They do not pay for the amenities, and have no right to use them.

They are welcome to come in their cars to the squares to see the entertainment, to eat in restaurants, to shop in stores. Executive golf, pools, rec centers, and other amenities are for residents and their documented guests only. Even the cart paths are maintained with our amenity fees.

So when a Village employee comes to the pool and asks to see everyone's Village ID, be glad. They are protecting your investment.

[pacevett78]

I believe because the cart paths are maintained by the local CDD and we villagers pay an annual maintenance fee to the CDD, and one of the things that fee covers is the maintenance 0f the cart paths within the CDD.

[CFrance]

If landlord gives guests a free guest pass for a monthly rental, the landlord can continue to use his resident pass
Except then there are certain places the renter can't access--sports pools, for one. And in non-covid times, the classes were accessible to residents first, and then guests if the class was not filled.


If you come down and rent for the winter, it is preferable to have the ID card, not just the guest pass.

[KRM0614]

Over the last decade and more, more than twenty people have died from golf cart accidents in The Villages, and dozens more were seriously injured. Who ever is in charge of keeping golf carts out from other communities has my support. I would have to guess that almost all of the households have at least one golf cart, many have two. We are hovering now at 140,000 residents. That is lots and lots of golf carts with the potential for many accidents.

I imagine the reason you can't get IN, is because you don't live here and pay fees.
The issues with the carts are getting worse and worse ! The accidents deaths etc are probably higher than we know. I won’t ever get a cart and avoid them and anywhere they park.

[KRM0614]

The Town Squares are open to the public. You don't have to be a Villager to enjoy that entertainment. It's free to everyone.

The fact that she wants golf cart access is a whole different issue. If you want golf cart access to The Villages, buy IN The Villages.
True nothing is free here. In one form or another we pay for everything whether we use it ie not.Morse family needs as much money as possible

[Tom M]

May be as you are NOT a Village Resident. is the reason why you do NOT have a key card, and should not have one. We residents pay a great deal of money each month for our facilities. When you pay $150 for them you can have a key card. Why else would you need one unless you are using them. Those of us on limited budgets do get annoyed with these comments, and snowbirds saying they are the ones that subsidize us.... they pay $50 for up to six months use. Time for a change I think.

Agree with the first part, but you lost me with the snowbird addition... Can you explain how snowbirds pay $50 for 6 months of use? I thought the owner of the home pays every month for 12 months/yr no matter who or how long someone is there. Are you suggesting if they're renting that they're not effectively paying enough to cover the fees?

[Davelinda91]

It’s a long dangerous ride by golf cart, be smart use a car.

[EdFNJ]

Info -FL traffic law allows golf carts to cross county roads at intersections controlled by traffic signals.
No special deal just for Stonecrest That is not true. You can't cross CR466A or CR44 at a light in a Golf Cart. Read the ENTIRE law carefully not just parts that may SEEM to support your incorrect assumption.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.212.html)

There are many other applicable sections in sections 2,3 & 4 in the link posted above (read it ALL) but this one is the most applicable:

(3) Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, a golf cart may be operated for the purpose of crossing a street or highway where a single mobile home park is located on both sides of the street or highway and is divided by that street or highway, provided that the governmental entity having original jurisdiction over such street or highway shall review and approve the location of the crossing and require implementation of any traffic controls needed for safety purposes. This subsection shall apply only to residents or guests of the mobile home park.

Our club had a 2hr discussion about this with a Lieutenant from the Sumter County Sherrif's office at one of our meetings a number of months ago mainly discussing street legal carts. However your comment IS CORRECT if the golf cart is street legal as long as there is a "street legal" road on both sides of the highway. like crossing 441 at Rolling Acres or Morse or B.V. at 466 and 466A.

[jjombrello]

If you want golf cart access to The Villages, move to The Villages. You are not part of our community and do not merit the privileges we enjoy and for which we pay.

[Two Bills]

If landlord gives guests a free guest pass for a monthly rental, the landlord can continue to use his resident pass

If you are paying for a rental, who in their right mind would accept a guest pass?
Nonsence.

[shopnstop]

Duh!

[writerslife]

It's simple. You're not a Villager. Sell your house in Spruce Creek and purchase in The Villages where you will then have access to all of our amenities. Frankly I'm tired of the people who live outside of The Villages feeling a sense of entitlement for something you have no right to enjoy.

[Rodneysblue]

It’s not luck that we were able to buy in TV, we worked, saved and did our research. Luck had nothing to do with it.
Public taxes do pay for square entertainment . All retail is for everybody . Don't be so rude to your neighbors. It's luck your here. Not because your a king or quern

[Neils]

Ttt

[xlhig]

Ditto the other direction. We would golf car to Cheers in the Stone Creek country club if we could.

Cheers in Stonecrest, run by the previous owners of Demshars in Spanish Springs, is open to the public. Great food and service.
Restauran | Cheers at Stonecrest Country Club | United States (https://www.cheersatstonecrest.com/)

[jimlambert]

Anyone can come to the Villages via automobile regardless of where they live, the roads are public. However, the multi modal paths, which golf carts travel on, are not public paths and are there for the use of people residing within the Villages. You can get around this by getting a street legal golf cart and using the public roads to get into the Villages.. You can’t drive a street legal cart on 441 which is what you would have to do to get into TV.

[EdFNJ]

an exception is on Florida highways. Florida statute 316.212 section three says a golf cart can cross a state highway so long as it divides a subdivision, mobile home park or golf course. So for example, if you have to cross a state highway to get from one side of your neighborhood to another you are allowed to do so. HUH? That is EXACTLY what I put in the post you just quoted so not sure of your point however you stated:
Info -FL traffic law allows golf carts to cross county roads at intersections controlled by traffic signals.
No special deal just for Stonecrest It IS a special deal for STONCREST since "provided that the governmental entity having original jurisdiction over such street or highway shall review and approve the location of the crossing and require implementation of any traffic controls needed for safety purposes." \

See what happens if a cop sees you crossing 466A, 466 or 44 in a golf cart on Morse or BV.

[asianthree]

Agree with the first part, but you lost me with the snowbird addition... Can you explain how snowbirds pay $50 for 6 months of use? I thought the owner of the home pays every month for 12 months/yr no matter who or how long someone is there. Are you suggesting if they're renting that they're not effectively paying enough to cover the fees?

You must have missed the part that the owner pays amenities fees 12 months per year, even if they only use the house 3 months. That does not change even in death, until the house is sold. The renters $50 is just more icing on the cake. I am surprised as a resident you didn’t know how amenities fee works

[graciegirl]

True nothing is free here. In one form or another we pay for everything whether we use it ie not.Morse family needs as much money as possible

I really get upset when I read things like "Morse family needs as much money as possible".

It is not a SHAME to have a profit when you run a business.

When you successfully run a business you also are providing employment for OTHER people.

When you successfully run a business it generally grows and gets bigger.

I believe that there is a limit to what money can buy. Many people very much like the Morse family have started with not much and carefully grew their business until they became hugely successful with more money than they need. That does not make them wrong, bad, or evil.

There are people who are underhanded and greedy. They are everywhere, and probably due in part to the fact that parents are NO longer on hand every minute during a child's first five years when rules and moral standards are imparted.

Or maybe it is due to other factors. We all have our views on why some people have ethics and some do not.

I have never met anyone who ever said to their beloved children, "Do well in school, so that you can grow up and not make much money, and continue to live off of us and if that doesn't work, someone will give you public assistance". NO ONE says that or thinks that.

So when I read people say that the Morse family is greedy, I almost always think they are jealous, don't live here, haven't learned to save and do without and delay gratification and work hard.

Help me down.

[Villagesgal]

Villagers pay amenity fees, part of which go to pay to maintain the multimodal cart paths which are located on private property owned by the Villages. They are not open for public use. You want golf cart access, buy a home in the Villages. We are not allowed to use your privately owned pools and rec centers, you are not allowed to use ours. Simple as that and it makes total sense that way.

[Worldseries27]

i live in spruce creek south and i am able to drive my car everywhere in the villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because i would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?
now that we know spruce creek south has invaded the villages i think it's time we rolled out the barbwire, mobilize our fleet of classic cars, surround them with our softball army,arm all our archers and dam up the water supply to scs until they unconditionaly surrender.

[texaslexuss]

Oh my..... can someone build a bridge from Del Webb so I can get to the Villages with my golf cart? Maybe include the Flea Market too!

[Worldseries27]

oh my..... Can someone build a bridge from del webb so i can get to the villages with my golf cart? Maybe include the flea market too!
thank you for the distinct honor of being the first to publicly thank you. 6 years goes by real quick

[bobnyce]

If you are paying for a rental, who in their right mind would accept a guest pass?
Nonsence.
Many renters are not aware of the difference between guest pass and white resident pass which means the owner gave up rights to renter. Snowbirds that own pay amenity fees year round not just when they are here.

[Carla B]

You must have missed the part that the owner pays amenities fees 12 months per year, even if they only use the house 3 months. That does not change even in death, until the house is sold. The renters $50 is just more icing on the cake. I am surprised as a resident you didn’t know how amenities fee works

I'm pretty sure he knows how the amenity fee works. The $50 comment pertained to an earlier post, in which a landlord would obtain guest passes for his renters, instead of temporarily surrendering his resident pass. But he would still collect $50 and pocket it. (There is no fee to obtain a guest pass.)

But, as Two Bills' Post 69 points out, why would a renter ever agree to that, unless they were very short term and didn't mind not having access to all amenities. Also, I don't think guest passes are issued for a stay more than 30 days but, never having tried that, I don't know for sure.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Yes

Actually, although Villagers can drive through the historic section gate and go to Aldi, Lowes, Wal Mart and other stores over there, I don't believe that they can drive into Spruce Creek.

And if the OP can drive anywhere in the Villages he can certainly get to Spanish Springs Town Square. He just can't get there through that gate.

I find it interesting that so many people from Spruce Creek are interested in driving their golf carts to The Villages but I've never heard of a Villages resident that wanted to drive his golf cart into Spruce Creek.

[dadoiron]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?

Because where you bought is not part of this community.

If you want to circumvent villages golf cart paths get a street legal cart and you should be able to get there. Otherwise tough luck or move.

[TomPerrett]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?

There was some dispute coming from some business owner or land owner or developer about golf cart passage over to that Lowe’s area. It was not Lowe’s with the problem. It was some type medical housing business.

Any way at first all passage from the Villages to that area was blocked. However Villages residents complained that several doctor offices and medical facilities.

So at that point a gate was installed to allow Village residents access to that property while still restricting cart flow from other areas.

This was simply a business dispute by someone not wanting carts crossing their property.

It was not the Villages being restrictive of Spruce Creek residents.

[Nick Kelly]

The rationale , as I understand it, is the Village residents pay a cart fee to use and maintain the extensive cart paths. Since I use to live in Spruce Creek South I can understand your frustration as you can drive your car there but not your golf cart. Your money is good there to support the stores, restaurants and entertainment centers ( tickets are sold to the public) but yet you can't ride your golf cart over there. Years ago I suggested, on this site, that the Villages sell gate passes to our neighbors who support the villages. That money would be used to maintain the cart paths. The card users would have prove residency in a surrounding community like Spruce Creek South or Stonecrest. Both communities have great residents ! I don't know if the southern villages (South of 44) this plan would be good.

[Nick Kelly]

The rationale , as I understand it, is the Village residents pay a cart fee to use and maintain the extensive cart paths. Since I use to live in Spruce Creek South I can understand your frustration as you can drive your car there but not your golf cart. Your money is good there to support the stores, restaurants and entertainment centers ( tickets are sold to the public) but yet you can't ride your golf cart over there. Years ago I suggested, on this site, that the Villages sell gate passes to our neighbors who support the villages. That money would be used to maintain the cart paths. The card users would have prove residency in a surrounding community like Spruce Creek South or Stonecrest. Both communities have great residents ! I don't know if the southern villages (South of 44) this plan would be good.

[rmd2]

The rationale , as I understand it, is the Village residents pay a cart fee to use and maintain the extensive cart paths. Since I use to live in Spruce Creek South I can understand your frustration as you can drive your car there but not your golf cart. Your money is good there to support the stores, restaurants and entertainment centers ( tickets are sold to the public) but yet you can't ride your golf cart over there. Years ago I suggested, on this site, that the Villages sell gate passes to our neighbors who support the villages. That money would be used to maintain the cart paths. The card users would have prove residency in a surrounding community like Spruce Creek South or Stonecrest. Both communities have great residents ! I don't know if the southern villages (South of 44) this plan would be good.

Have you not read all these comments? We PAY for all the golf cart paths, pools, rec centers, etc. We do not want people from any other communities to come in to use these roadways and facilities. We don't care if you do or don't want to shop or eat in The Villages but you may if you wish. You must walk or drive a car to do that. The Villages is not your neighborhood playground.

[Pairadocs]

Over the last decade and more, more than twenty people have died from golf cart accidents in The Villages, and dozens more were seriously injured. Who ever is in charge of keeping golf carts out from other communities has my support. I would have to guess that almost all of the households have at least one golf cart, many have two. We are hovering now at 140,000 residents. That is lots and lots of golf carts with the potential for many accidents.

I imagine the reason you can't get IN, is because you don't live here and pay fees.

That doesn't really make sense either ? This is far from a "private" community, (as around Orlando) I have friends in two of them, they are FAR above the financial ability of most (not all of course) of the people who live here. They pay nearly 10K a year for private roads ONLY, that is not their many other costs and fees. ALL of our roads are public, therefore why someone from S.Creek would have to live here and pay fees makes absolutely no sense to me, but, not on here to posture and pretend to be an expert ! I would think anyone could come in the auto or golf cart until such a day that this becomes some kind of private, exclusive, community.... doubt that's going to happen with the majority of "middle class" (?) people retired here. The "gates" are for optics only. At a private community, landscapers, appliance service people, EVERYONE stays OUTSIDE the gates, EVERYONE, until the home owner is called and present. If anyone has lived in one of these knows, this is true. In the block of my village, one half of the residents have golf carts, and exactly the same number of homes do not. Don't play and don't care to drive around in the open air or with roll downs or club cabs, prefer their own autos. There are no fees for carts unless one intends to run them ON the golf courses, so, don't think anyone has to live here or pay anything to come here. I think it's possible they just don't know the WAY to come from some of the nearby developments like Spruce C.

[Pairadocs]

The rationale , as I understand it, is the Village residents pay a cart fee to use and maintain the extensive cart paths. Since I use to live in Spruce Creek South I can understand your frustration as you can drive your car there but not your golf cart. Your money is good there to support the stores, restaurants and entertainment centers ( tickets are sold to the public) but yet you can't ride your golf cart over there. Years ago I suggested, on this site, that the Villages sell gate passes to our neighbors who support the villages. That money would be used to maintain the cart paths. The card users would have prove residency in a surrounding community like Spruce Creek South or Stonecrest. Both communities have great residents ! I don't know if the southern villages (South of 44) this plan would be good.

What you say could be true, but I have neighbors behind, two doors down, and across the street from me who have also been here 12-18 years and have never paid any kind of cart fee to maintain cart paths. None of these people play golf and have never had to pay a cart fee ! I too found it strange the very first time I went to pay my annual cart fee, why (?) I was not given some kind of annual sticker for the cart (had that in other golf communities (not retirement communities) where we've lived during our working lives. But here, have always been told, no sticker needed because it only comes into importance when you check in to play GOLF....other wise, no fees have to be paid because the only time it is checked is when you check in at the started shack and it shows on screen if you are paid or not ! ?

[Pairadocs]

Over the last decade and more, more than twenty people have died from golf cart accidents in The Villages, and dozens more were seriously injured. Who ever is in charge of keeping golf carts out from other communities has my support. I would have to guess that almost all of the households have at least one golf cart, many have two. We are hovering now at 140,000 residents. That is lots and lots of golf carts with the potential for many accidents.

I imagine the reason you can't get IN, is because you don't live here and pay fees.

Press the RED button, this is not a private community and you don't need a "card". At manned gates, they absolutely have no legal right to refuse to let you in ! YOUR tax money pays for "our" roads as does "our" tax money pay for yours. It's only to "slow" traffic down a little, and frankly, the way double tandem landscape trucks, furniture delivery vans, and others just finding a shorter way to work who use this a a "cut through" and regularly do over 40 mph, the gate "illusion" does not do a whole lot, seen so many close calls, trucks trying to pass at 40 on very narrow streets, huge rigs with landscape equipment, big mowers better suited to farms than the majority of small lawns here, but helps some I suppose.
I think that is why so many are killed in golf carts, NOT because people come from other retirement communities and over whelm so much that accident rate is so high. MANY years ago, there were WARNINGS posted to automobiles: Caution, you are entering a GOLF CART community, Golf Carts have the right of way ! That was when we were still in our careers and rented directly from The Villages. Once we bought a lot and built here, those signs (sadly) began to come down until all were removed. I think that might help cut down some on accidents and deaths.... don't think it's folks from other retirement communities. Bet all the stores like Barnes & Noble, Target, City Furniture, on and on would not be here if these streets and roads were "private" ! ?

[Footer]

There is a golf cart only gate leaving the historic section allowing people to get to Lowes. No red button so you need your gate pass to get back.

[Marathon Man]

True nothing is free here. In one form or another we pay for everything whether we use it ie not.Morse family needs as much money as possible

I wish people would take the trouble to learn about their community. Fees do not go to the Morse family.

[jwilkin558@aol.com]

Are you listening to yourself? What difference does it make how he enters the Villages? He can drive his car there, spend his $ at a business, avail himself of the entertainment, so why not come in on a golf cart? I am certain the merchants in the area would welcome his business, especially in these trying times.

That is exactly why I originally asked the question. I can drive our car everywhere in the Villages but at night it is very hard to find parking. It would be much easier with our golf cart. We spend money every time we go there. Giving access may end up being a good thing financially.

[Girlcopper]

Can resident's of The Villages use the fitness center or pools, etc, at Soruce Creek??? No!! We pay for our amenities. You pay for yours. There is no reason non-Vilkagera sgoukd used our golf cart paths. You already get to enjoy free music at 3 town squares, lots of shops and restaurants within The Villages, etc.
The “village police” have spoken. :blahblahblah::rolleyes:

[jwilkin558@aol.com]

You can take your golf cart to Stone Crest and Spruce Creek.

[jwilkin558@aol.com]

That’s the whole problem with the Villagers, you think you’re privileged!!!

[Marathon Man]

What you say could be true, but I have neighbors behind, two doors down, and across the street from me who have also been here 12-18 years and have never paid any kind of cart fee to maintain cart paths. None of these people play golf and have never had to pay a cart fee ! I too found it strange the very first time I went to pay my annual cart fee, why (?) I was not given some kind of annual sticker for the cart (had that in other golf communities (not retirement communities) where we've lived during our working lives. But here, have always been told, no sticker needed because it only comes into importance when you check in to play GOLF....other wise, no fees have to be paid because the only time it is checked is when you check in at the started shack and it shows on screen if you are paid or not ! ?

Trail fees allow you to take your cart onto the executive courses. Your annual maintenance assessment (which everyone pays) pays for maintenance of lots of things in our community.

[JSR22]

You can take your golf cart to Stone Crest and Spruce Creek.

I have no reason to go to Stone Crest or Spruce Creek. We pay maintenance fees and amenity fees to live here. Outsiders do not belong on our multimodal paths.

[Chi-Town]

That’s the whole problem with the Villagers, you think you’re privileged!!!

The OP has spoken. Gives true meaning to the reason for the thread.

[Dgodin]

Where is this back gate? Can I drive my cart to/from Spruce Creek if I have TV gate card?
The "back gate", sometimes referred to as the Lowes Gate, is between to houses on Paradise Blvd near the Boone Access gate (country club hills).
You can definitely get to stonecrest, but I dont know if theyll let you in.
The Lowes gate gives you golf cart access to Medical facilities, WaWa, Lowes, cracker barrel, Bealls outlet, Aldi's, Walmart, and some other stores and restaurants

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?

Are you allowed to cross 27/441 in your golf cart?

I don't think that anyone owes you an explanation. The Villages has every right to determine who can used their multi modal paths.

But one answer is that about seven years ago, people from outside The Villages were coming in their golf carts and playing golf on our executive courses after hours. The starters and ambassadors would leave at 7:00 pm. In the summer there is more than enough time to play nine holes after 7:00. That is why The Villages decided to put up a gate. Originally it was a solid wall but many of The Villages residents complained that they couldn't get to the retail stores and medical facilities in their golf carts. Some residents do not have cars and only have their golf carts.

I know one woman who, at the time was working at Aldi. She did not have a drivers license and would take her golf cart to work. She was surprised when one morning there was a wall preventing her from getting to work. She was one of the thousands that complained. The result was the gate.

The property on which the medical facilities, Lowes, Wawa, Aldi Wal Mart and all of those other businesses is not part of The Villages nor is it part of Stonecrest, Spruce Creek or any other development. The people that own it have allowed golf cart traffic. I'm sure that it's in their best interest as it probably increases sales from The Villages and Stonecrest.

I don't know if people in Spruce Creek South are allowed the cross 27441in their golf carts to get over there or not. I do know that The Villages went through a lot of expense to build a golf cart bridge so that out residence can cross safely.

[Bogie Shooter]

What you say could be true, but I have neighbors behind, two doors down, and across the street from me who have also been here 12-18 years and have never paid any kind of cart fee to maintain cart paths. None of these people play golf and have never had to pay a cart fee ! I too found it strange the very first time I went to pay my annual cart fee, why (?) I was not given some kind of annual sticker for the cart (had that in other golf communities (not retirement communities) where we've lived during our working lives. But here, have always been told, no sticker needed because it only comes into importance when you check in to play GOLF....other wise, no fees have to be paid because the only time it is checked is when you check in at the started shack and it shows on screen if you are paid or not ! ?
Cart fee? Are you rambling about the Executive Courses Trail fee?

[Bogie Shooter]

That’s the whole problem with the Villagers, you think you’re privileged!!!

In the case of you using your cart.......yes we are!

[shut the front door]

Press the RED button, this is not a private community and you don't need a "card". At manned gates, they absolutely have no legal right to refuse to let you in ! YOUR tax money pays for "our" roads as does "our" tax money pay for yours. It's only to "slow" traffic down a little, and frankly, the way double tandem landscape trucks, furniture delivery vans, and others just finding a shorter way to work who use this a a "cut through" and regularly do over 40 mph, the gate "illusion" does not do a whole lot, seen so many close calls, trucks trying to pass at 40 on very narrow streets, huge rigs with landscape equipment, big mowers better suited to farms than the majority of small lawns here, but helps some I suppose.
I think that is why so many are killed in golf carts, NOT because people come from other retirement communities and over whelm so much that accident rate is so high. MANY years ago, there were WARNINGS posted to automobiles: Caution, you are entering a GOLF CART community, Golf Carts have the right of way ! That was when we were still in our careers and rented directly from The Villages. Once we bought a lot and built here, those signs (sadly) began to come down until all were removed. I think that might help cut down some on accidents and deaths.... don't think it's folks from other retirement communities. Bet all the stores like Barnes & Noble, Target, City Furniture, on and on would not be here if these streets and roads were "private" ! ?

Maybe read the replies on this thread before you start yelling? If you had, you'd know that this gate does not have a red button.
And outsiders tax money does NOT pay for upkeep of multi modal paths, RESIDENTS DO.

[Tom M]

You must have missed the part that the owner pays amenities fees 12 months per year, even if they only use the house 3 months. That does not change even in death, until the house is sold. The renters $50 is just more icing on the cake. I am surprised as a resident you didn’t know how amenities fee works

Yep, we're saying the same thing. We both understand how fees work. Not sure why someone stated that snowbirds were getting by for $50 for 6 months when the fee is certainly paid by someone and likely passed on in the rent.

[perrjojo]

I live in Spruce Creek South and I am able to drive my car everywhere in the Villages but can’t drive my golf cart there. Why? Because I would need a key card. Can someone please explain the rationale about this?
Simple. Because we pay to maintain the cart paths in TV, you don’t.

[Carla B]

Maybe read the replies on this thread before you start yelling? If you had, you'd know that this gate does not have a red button.
And outsiders tax money does NOT pay for upkeep of multi modal paths, RESIDENTS DO.

Right. And, those multi-modal paths are not "golf cart paths" only, although they may appear that way. They are supposed to be for walkers, runners, bicyclers, maybe skaters, too.

[gdennis317]

Key card for what?

If you mean the gates, just push the red button to open them.

[MandoMan]

The issues with the carts are getting worse and worse ! The accidents deaths etc are probably higher than we know. I won’t ever get a cart and avoid them and anywhere they park.

If I recall correctly what I read last week, over a period of about eight years there were over 800 golf cart accidents in The Villages. A huge percentage of those led to people being hospitalized, and another large percentage of the injuries were due to people falling out of the golf cart because of the accident.

Accordingly, I’ve purchased from Amazon a set of seatbelts for my twenty year old golf cart (which came with the house), and I’ll be installing them soon. It’s easy. I always wear my seatbelt in my car. Why shouldn’t I wear one in my golf cart? What if I have a passenger, take a sharp turn, and the passenger falls out? Would I be liable? And if I don’t have golf cart insurance, would it come out of my pocket?

[golfing eagles]

That doesn't really make sense either ? This is far from a "private" community, (as around Orlando) I have friends in two of them, they are FAR above the financial ability of most (not all of course) of the people who live here. They pay nearly 10K a year for private roads ONLY, that is not their many other costs and fees. ALL of our roads are public, therefore why someone from S.Creek would have to live here and pay fees makes absolutely no sense to me, but, not on here to posture and pretend to be an expert ! I would think anyone could come in the auto or golf cart until such a day that this becomes some kind of private, exclusive, community.... doubt that's going to happen with the majority of "middle class" (?) people retired here. The "gates" are for optics only. At a private community, landscapers, appliance service people, EVERYONE stays OUTSIDE the gates, EVERYONE, until the home owner is called and present. If anyone has lived in one of these knows, this is true. In the block of my village, one half of the residents have golf carts, and exactly the same number of homes do not. Don't play and don't care to drive around in the open air or with roll downs or club cabs, prefer their own autos. There are no fees for carts unless one intends to run them ON the golf courses, so, don't think anyone has to live here or pay anything to come here. I think it's possible they just don't know the WAY to come from some of the nearby developments like Spruce C.

Sorry, but I don't buy that argument. Yes, the roads are publicly funded, but the MMPs are NOT. Why should someone get to use a path that they did not pay for, and it's ridiculous to state that makes Villagers "entitled" (not your statement). The nearly 10K/year in a truly gated community, of which there are plenty in Florida, is not just for private roads. It is a HOA fee that covers the private gates, the roads, the clubhouse/rec center, the common area landscaping and just about everything else that we pay for in TV, only more expensive. When you go to a movie and pay for a ticket, and someone sneaks in and sits next to you, are you "entitled" for thinking they don't belong there? For thinking if they want to use this theater they should pay for the privilege? And not everyone who sneaks in from the outside intends on spending money at the stores----they are sneaking onto exec courses after they close and using pools, again without paying for the privilege.
If people want everything to be "free", and to have "equal rights" and the same standard of living, I would suggest they consider emigrating to North Korea. We are a capitalist nation and as such there will always be those that can afford a better home, golf course, community etc.

[shut the front door]

Key card for what?

If you mean the gates, just push the red button to open them.

See the dozens of posts in this thread that explain that this gate does not have a red button.
Does anyone actually read a thread, or do they get so excited to comment that they just jump on that reply button. It's really getting annoying.

[Bogie Shooter]

See the dozens of posts in this thread that explain that this gate does not have a red button.
Does anyone actually read a thread, or do they get so excited to comment that they just jump on that reply button. It's really getting annoying.

It tends to expose a level of ignorance....:duck:

[Curtisbwp]

Spruce creek is NOT a part of the Villages.
The only place you may need a gate pass is between Walmart and the villages. I have gon through that gate with no key card.

[Worldseries27]

that’s the whole problem with the villagers, you think you’re privileged!!!
what part of p r i v a t e p r o p e r t y
do you not understand?
In some places they write
trespassers will be shot
others
trespassers will be prosecuted
you made a choice not to live in tv
get over it. Is it ocd?
Because you clearly have access to all but 1 gate
is it driving you mad?
If so bring a drs note to appropriate meeting to seek a remedy
maybe you'll find a card on the floor or in the mail who knows?
But you cannot strong arm your way in the way you presented your case

[yabbadu]

Come On Folks.... There is a lot of mis-information in this thread....Cut to the Chase....People in Spruce Creek or elsewhere outside The Villages properties DO NOT PAY FEES IN THE VILLAGES. Therefore, the cart paths are not at their disposal . Same as I do not pay fees at Spruce Creek and become eligible to use their pools etc. It's not about being special. It is what A VILLAGER is eligible for and pays for. Do NOT confuse this with Trail Fees for Golfers on Executive courses. END OF STORY!!!!

[photo1902]

Sorry, but I don't buy that argument. Yes, the roads are publicly funded, but the MMPs are NOT. Why should someone get to use a path that they did not pay for, and it's ridiculous to state that makes Villagers "entitled" (not your statement). The nearly 10K/year in a truly gated community, of which there are plenty in Florida, is not just for private roads. It is a HOA fee that covers the private gates, the roads, the clubhouse/rec center, the common area landscaping and just about everything else that we pay for in TV, only more expensive. When you go to a movie and pay for a ticket, and someone sneaks in and sits next to you, are you "entitled" for thinking they don't belong there? For thinking if they want to use this theater they should pay for the privilege? And not everyone who sneaks in from the outside intends on spending money at the stores----they are sneaking onto exec courses after they close and using pools, again without paying for the privilege.
If people want everything to be "free", and to have "equal rights" and the same standard of living, I would suggest they consider emigrating to North Korea. We are a capitalist nation and as such there will always be those that can afford a better home, golf course, community etc.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[golfing eagles]

Over the last decade and more, more than twenty people have died from golf cart accidents in The Villages, and dozens more were seriously injured. Who ever is in charge of keeping golf carts out from other communities has my support. I would have to guess that almost all of the households have at least one golf cart, many have two. We are hovering now at 140,000 residents. That is lots and lots of golf carts with the potential for many accidents.

I imagine the reason you can't get IN, is because you don't live here and pay fees.

What I observe is somewhat ironic. 98% of cyclists blow through stop signs, about 75% of cart drivers, and less than 10% of car drivers, and yet these are basically all the same people. The ironic part is that those who are most vulnerable to injury on a bicycle are the least likely to follow the traffic directions that are designed to avoid accidents.

[tophcfa]

What I observe is somewhat ironic. 98% of cyclists blow through stop signs, about 75% of cart drivers, and less than 10% of car drivers, and yet these are basically all the same people. The ironic part is that those who are most vulnerable to injury on a bicycle are the least likely to follow the traffic directions that are designed to avoid accidents.

It's economics, car drivers get very expensive tickets and surcharges on their insurance, so most of them at least come to a rolling stop at the stop signs. Have you ever seen a bicyclist get a ticket for going through a stop sign?

[RICH1]

You don't live in the Villages ! You answered your own question..

[pcacace]

Spruce Creek is not in the Villages. It’s on 441.

[pcacace]

If you are talking about the gate near the new post office, it’s probable because the Villages owns the property and are allowed to do that.

[Marathon Man]

That’s the whole problem with the Villagers, you think you’re privileged!!!

Maybe it's because so many others look for ways to be among us. Like joining an on-line forum that includs the name of our community in the title.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

The gates serve a purpose , they slow down people , they help with the flow of traffic and they are somewhat of safety measure at night because of the cameras police have been able to catch some people for violations and burglary. I have also run into people outside of villages that think the gates are private and for those who complain about gates ., I wonder how the people living in old trailers and homes out in some rural town would feel when they have to push a button to get into public roads that they help pay for them