Paranoia or reality?

[billethkid]

We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?

[graciegirl]

We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?

My husband had sort of a similar thing happen a couple of months ago when someone in their golf group had their visiting son play with the group and on arriving home two days after golf the son tested positive for Covid. The group rides alone in carts and does not stop for lunch and it turned out alright with just the dad quarantining himself and one other. No one caught it, and it was serious because the men are all in the high risk age group.

I consider it a valid question and not paranoia at all. I think we still do not have clear guidelines about transmission because even the medical community is not yet sure of exactly how the virus is spread.

[John41]

We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?


get tested and cancel activities for two weeks at least

[Bellavita]

this is our new Reality, if you care about others

[graciegirl]

get tested and cancel activities for two weeks at least

I don't disagree, but many of us wonder how long to wait to get tested to see if the virus incubated in us. In other words, WHEN after exposure is a person contagious to others IF they do catch it.

[Bogie Shooter]

I have read and respected your posts over the years.
You have chosen what you feel is right for you and yours.
Don't see how I can criticize or advise you on your personal decision.
Stay safe....

[PugMom]

i'm sorry to hear you were exposed, but thankful you haven't been ill since. you are very consistent in your posts, we truly believe you take as many precautions as possible to keep yourselves safe. idk what else you should do besides alert your dr asap & see what he/she thinks. it breaks my heart knowing such nice people as yourselves need to isolate in fear, but you must stay safe. many prayers for your continued health, & keep us posted,...oxo

[Gulfcoast]

I'm sorry to hear that you have this worry. If it makes you feel any better, schools are finding out via contact tracing that schools are not a significant source of infection, meaning that simply sitting next to another student in class is not what is driving the viral spread. That is largely because students are temp checked upon their arrival at school and sent home if they are symptomatic.

Hope this helps to ease your mind a bit. Take care.

[Bill14564]

The correct answer is to seek the advise of your medical professional.

Personally, I would be more conscious of my mask wearing and distancing while I wait four days before getting a test. I would absolutely expect it to be negative but I would get tested just in case.


- Just being in proximity to the coworker with Covid does not mean the member contracted it
- It takes more than a minute for the member who had the contact to become contagious
- Being in proximity to someone who was in proximity to someone who had the virus does not mean you will become infected
- It takes a few days (3, 4, ?) for the virus to build to a high enough level to be detected by the test.

[Altavia]

I don't disagree, but many of us wonder how long to wait to get tested to see if the virus incubated in us. In other words, WHEN after exposure is a person contagious to others IF they do catch it.



I’ve been exposed to COVID-19; how soon will I be contagious? | MIT Medical (https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/10/exposed-to-covid-19-how-soon-contagious)



While the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other public-health authorities put the incubation period for the virus at 2–14 days, most people who become ill develop symptoms between five and six days after exposure. This is about the same amount of time needed, on average, for a PCR diagnostic test to be more likely than not to return a true-positive result.

On the other hand, research suggests that people who are infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, are at their most contagious in the 24 to 48 hours before they experience symptoms. But you would still expect there to be a few days between the time a person is exposed and infected and the time they begin actively shedding virus. If we figure that infected people who become sick typically start experiencing symptoms a bit more than five days after exposure, we can calculate that infectiousness would, on average, begin rising sharply about three days post exposure. In other words, it’s safe to say that it would be exceedingly rare for anyone to transmit the virus earlier than two days post exposure; however, at some point after that, the risk would begin to rise significantly.

[Dan9871]

The best thing to do is to check with you primary care doctor.

Here is what the CDC says to do:

COVID-19: When to Quarantine | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/quarantine.html)

Some bits of what the CDC says

"Quarantine is used to keep someone who might have been exposed to COVID-19 away from others. "

you should quarantine if "You were within 6 feet of someone who has COVID-19 for a total of 15 minutes or more"

There are more details but since the person tested positive I think you have to assume that they have been exposed to someone who might COVID and so might have COVID. So it you were near that person you probably should quarantine for 14 days.

But read what the CDC has to say for yourself.

[Gulfcoast]

The CDC contradicts itself all the time. How can they say that children (K-12) are safer in school and sitting together in closed classrooms where they go home and hang around with their family members, yet, at the same time say that you should quarantine if you were within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more (this could happen in a grocery store checkout line and you would never know about it). Unless we shut down EVERYTHING, including hospitals/doctors/dentists for 4 weeks or more, this virus is not going away.

There is not convincing evidence that I am aware of of asymptomatic spread which is probably why medical staff that tests positive but remains asymptomatic are actually required to come into work in many hospitals throughout the country.

Use caution and common sense.

[Velvet]

It is now 4 days later, if you caught it you’d probably start having symptoms today or tomorrow. If it was me I would go get tested twice a couple of days apart. One test is not as reliable as two. And I would distance and wear a mask with regards to my spouse. These are things I did when I flew back to my husband in March. The “new” guidelines suggest 10 days of quarantine is enough as the probability of being positive drops a lot after that. So it would be cancelling only one weekend of golf.

Best wishes to you and in my opinion, if your meeting was outside it is highly unlikely you caught the virus. Remember all those BLM protesters so close to each other (outside) with no masks, we thought there was going to be great spread and there was very little?

[Byte1]

I don't know the details of your encounter other than it was a meeting of 20. I'm kind of puzzled as to why the meeting was so important during this time, or whether no one took the virus seriously and now suddenly have seen the light. 20 people meeting together? Personally, I have no problem with it since we have seen incidents of many more demonstrating or going to rallies. But, I wonder if or why someone would not wear their mask IF they were inside with so many. And IF that person did wear a mask, then why be so concerned. If you go shopping, you do not know if anyone in the store that you may pass is infected. Of course, like someone else mentioned the CDC says you can't or are unlikely to catch the infection by a minute contact or in passing someone that is infected.
I still don't see why you are concerned if you went to the meeting of 20 folks where you had no idea of the possibility of whether or not one or more might be carrying the virus. I doubt I pass that many folks when shopping in Publix.
I hope that I do not sound like I am condemning your action, because I am not. I am just interested in WHY someone that is in many of these conversations, does not have an idea of how they should handle the situation. Still not condemning.
Since I am out and about at least once or twice per week and around strangers that may or may not be infected, I am not about to get tested on a weekly basis. But, that is just me. Remember, a test is only good for the instant that you are tested; not after the test is taken. For all we know, you could contract the infection at CVS right after you the test is taken.....or where ever you get tested. Apology for sounding gloom and doom. But, for your own peace of mind it won't hurt you (much) to get tested. I don't know if being tested will put mind at ease, but for some it might have the placebo effect.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Personally, I wouldn't listen to anyone on here. I would be asking my doctor for advice on how to proceed IF I was concerned.

[Bill14564]

The CDC contradicts itself all the time. How can they say that children (K-12) are safer in school and sitting together in closed classrooms where they go home and hang around with their family members, yet, at the same time say that you should quarantine if you were within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more (this could happen in a grocery store checkout line and you would never know about it). Unless we shut down EVERYTHING, including hospitals/doctors/dentists for 4 weeks or more, this virus is not going away.

There is not convincing evidence that I am aware of of asymptomatic spread which is probably why medical staff that tests positive but remains asymptomatic are actually required to come into work in many hospitals throughout the country.

Use caution and common sense.

What store do you go to? I want to avoid any store where I might be in the line for 15 minutes or more.

I believe the "evidence" of asymptomatic spread is the large number of cases with know known symptomatic contact. They had to contract it from somewhere and if it wasn't from a symptomatic contact then.....

[Gulfcoast]

What store do you go to? I want to avoid any store where I might be in the line for 15 minutes or more.

I believe the "evidence" of asymptomatic spread is the large number of cases with know known symptomatic contact. They had to contract it from somewhere and if it wasn't from a symptomatic contact then.....

You can wind up standing in line for the deli or seafood counter, or getting a sub made or picking up your prescription at the pharmacy. Lines at the check out usually go pretty quickly but there are times when there is a delay that is beyond the cashier's control (folks with 20+ coupons to use who also argue about a coupon that isn't scanning....).

If you go into a store there is no guarantee that you will not be standing within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more. Most of the people who get out on a fairly regular basis know this is true.

[John41]

I don't disagree, but many of us wonder how long to wait to get tested to see if the virus incubated in us. In other words, WHEN after exposure is a person contagious to others IF they do catch it.

When our next door neighbor got sick: dry cough, aches, vomiting she went to the doctor and was told she had Covid 19. She called us and those she had been in contact with immediately. We all waited 3 to 5 days to get tested to avoid false negatives. Some health officials say wait 5 to 7 days. There is no firm number of days to wait but symptoms should appear in 2 to 14 days.

Just some advice to those who think this is a hoax and masks are not needed, if you could see how sick this very healthy person (did not wear mask often) got, had to have a relative watch her 24/7 and call 911 to get her hospitalized and on IV and oxygen you might change your mind. She is now on the mend fortunately.

[Byte1]

Not trying to dispute anyone regarding the seriousness of the virus, but....... My daughter's close friend is a heart transplant recipient. She was infected with the virus but even though she had the symptoms, such as coughing, fever and hard breathing, she survived it with about as much effort as a winter cold. Two of my neighbors in their 80's caught it last Feb and one was hospitalized. Both survived. For every person that has died from the virus, I can give you examples of those that have survived it. Either you can be the glass half empty person or you can be the glass half full.....your choice. And yes, I have had two relatives that have died, supposedly COVID related. Both were in the hospital for other than COVID related treatment. One for a heart operation and the other for a kidney operation. One was in his mid 90's and the other near 70. They died in the hospital and were tested positive for COVID. You can be the judge of whether or not they died BECAUSE OF the virus or with it.

I encourage everyone to do what they deem is necessary to keep themselves safe. I would not attempt to suggest anyone be reckless. I plan to live my life as normal as I can under the circumstances. If I catch the COVID or even the Budweiser Flu, I will take responsibility for my own actions. If you think I am being dangerous to others, then fair warning--- stay away from me. Same thing your momma told you as a child, "stay away from that hot stove or you will get burned."
If you come onto a Villages forum asking for recommendations instead of talking to your doctor, I can only tell you that I am not a doctor but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. If you are on here searching for a roofer or landscaping company, then you have come to the right place.

[Bill14564]

You can wind up standing in line for the deli or seafood counter, or getting a sub made or picking up your prescription at the pharmacy. Lines at the check out usually go pretty quickly but there are times when there is a delay that is beyond the cashier's control (folks with 20+ coupons to use who also argue about a coupon that isn't scanning....).

If you go into a store there is no guarantee that you will not be standing within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more. Most of the people who get out on a fairly regular basis know this is true.

Actually, I *can* guarantee that I won't be standing in line within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more. I have three methods that anyone can use:

1. Avoid lines. Continue going to the stores that I already frequent when I have never, even with Thanksgiving, been in any line for 15 minutes
2. Maintain a 6 foot separation. Politely ask anyone standing within 6 feet of me to give me some space
3. Remain fewer than 15 minutes. Leave any line I am in that is taking 15 minutes - I don't need a sub or even a cart of groceries that badly

[Velvet]

When I go into a store or if hubby does, I set the timer to 15 minutes with a 4 minute warning. When it hits 15 minutes no matter what is going on, I leave.

[Gulfcoast]

Actually, I *can* guarantee that I won't be standing in line within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more. I have three methods that anyone can use:

1. Avoid lines. Continue going to the stores that I already frequent when I have never, even with Thanksgiving, been in any line for 15 minutes
2. Maintain a 6 foot separation. Politely ask anyone standing within 6 feet of me to give me some space
3. Remain fewer than 15 minutes. Leave any line I am in that is taking 15 minutes - I don't need a sub or even a cart of groceries that badly

O.k. I'll rephrase that. There is no guarantee that you can go inside of a store, get what you went there to get and never be close to another person for 15 minutes. Of course, grocery pick up, pharmacy drive thru or simply staying at home and ordering in is always an option. Removing yourself from a situation is always an option and maybe the best option depending upon the circumstances.

[billethkid]

Actually, I *can* guarantee that I won't be standing in line within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more. I have three methods that anyone can use:

1. Avoid lines. Continue going to the stores that I already frequent when I have never, even with Thanksgiving, been in any line for 15 minutes
2. Maintain a 6 foot separation. Politely ask anyone standing within 6 feet of me to give me some space
3. Remain fewer than 15 minutes. Leave any line I am in that is taking 15 minutes - I don't need a sub or even a cart of groceries that badly

Slightly off my topic but in line with the above suggestions:

I always get in front of my cart. this allows me to control how close I choose not to get to the person in front of me and it allows me to control how close the person behind can get.
With a smile of course!

There are just too many who, for some reason, have to be 6 inches on one's back.

[Velvet]

Slightly off my topic but in line with the above suggestions:

I always get in front of my cart. this allows me to control how close I choose not to get to the person in front of me and it allows me to control how close the person behind can get.
With a smile of course!

There are just too many who, for some reason, have to be 6 inches on one's back.

That is funny! I hope you are feeling good today, good to hear from you.

[coffeebean]

The CDC contradicts itself all the time. How can they say that children (K-12) are safer in school and sitting together in closed classrooms where they go home and hang around with their family members, yet, at the same time say that you should quarantine if you were within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more (this could happen in a grocery store checkout line and you would never know about it). Unless we shut down EVERYTHING, including hospitals/doctors/dentists for 4 weeks or more, this virus is not going away.

There is not convincing evidence that I am aware of of asymptomatic spread which is probably why medical staff that tests positive but remains asymptomatic are actually required to come into work in many hospitals throughout the country.

Use caution and common sense.

This one scenario should never ever happen if you are diligent with social distancing. All grocery stores have the markers on the floor to keep people properly socially distanced. Personal experience....if anyone gets closer to me, such as from behind me on line not adhering to the guidelines, I will request that the person kindly step back and give me space. I have absolutely no problem keeping a safe distance from any individual.

[coffeebean]

The CDC contradicts itself all the time. How can they say that children (K-12) are safer in school and sitting together in closed classrooms where they go home and hang around with their family members, yet, at the same time say that you should quarantine if you were within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more (this could happen in a grocery store checkout line and you would never know about it). Unless we shut down EVERYTHING, including hospitals/doctors/dentists for 4 weeks or more, this virus is not going away.

There is not convincing evidence that I am aware of of asymptomatic spread which is probably why medical staff that tests positive but remains asymptomatic are actually required to come into work in many hospitals throughout the country.

Use caution and common sense.

Doesn't this go against what the CDC advises? Doesn't this also go against common sense? Are you sure this is actually happening here in our country?

[John41]

Not trying to dispute anyone regarding the seriousness of the virus, but....... My daughter's close friend is a heart transplant recipient. She was infected with the virus but even though she had the symptoms, such as coughing, fever and hard breathing, she survived it with about as much effort as a winter cold. Two of my neighbors in their 80's caught it last Feb and one was hospitalized. Both survived. For every person that has died from the virus, I can give you examples of those that have survived it. Either you can be the glass half empty person or you can be the glass half full.....your choice. And yes, I have had two relatives that have died, supposedly COVIDy related. Both were in the hospital for other than COVID related treatment. One for a heart operation and the other for a kidney operation. One was in his mid 90's and the other near 70. They died in the hospital and were tested positive for COVID. You can be the judge of whether or not they died BECAUSE OF the virus or with it.

I encourage everyone to do what they deem is necessary to keep themselves safe. I would not attempt to suggest anyone be reckless. I plan to live my life as normal as I can under the circumstances. If I catch the COVID or even the Budweiser Flu, I will take responsibility for my own actions. If you think I am being dangerous to others, then fair warning--- stay away from me. Same thing your momma told you as a child, "stay away from that hot stove or you will get burned."
If you come onto a Villages forum asking for recommendations instead of talking to your doctor, I can only tell you that I am not a doctor but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. If you are on here searching for a roofer or landscaping company, then you have come to the right place.

Not disputing your experience but I do not remember ANY Winter cold flooding ICUs with patients. Or ventilators, N95 masks and field hospitals having to be erected or hospital beds in Madison Square Garden. Or 250,000 deaths. That is the macro picture of what this virus can do.

And if a person had a bad heart and Covid 19 pushed him over the edge, or if that person was healthy and Covid 19 whacked him, the proximate cause is still Covid 19.

And personal medical experience on a forum can be helpful as long as validated by medical professionals.

Not to be too snarky, but you seem to know a LOT of people with Covid 19
and I can’t help wonder if they had the same perception of the seriousness of this virus as you.

IMHO

[coffeebean]

You can wind up standing in line for the deli or seafood counter, or getting a sub made or picking up your prescription at the pharmacy. Lines at the check out usually go pretty quickly but there are times when there is a delay that is beyond the cashier's control (folks with 20+ coupons to use who also argue about a coupon that isn't scanning....).

If you go into a store there is no guarantee that you will not be standing within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more. Most of the people who get out on a fairly regular basis know this is true.

No matter what store I am in, no matter if I'm standing in line or walking in the aisles, I will not be within 6 feet of anyone. I make sure of that. It is not difficult to do.

[Villageswimmer]

OP, I think you answered your own question at the end of your post. From the sound of your previous posts, it’s pretty clear you’ve been very careful. I hope the folks at the meeting wore masks. I guess I have to say I’m sorry you decided to go to the meeting. I doubt you became infected but it, clearly, wasn’t worth the stress in the aftermath. I wish you peace and good health.

[YouNeverKnow]

Well the 15 minute exposure rule is now changing. Here is the recent information from the CDC. So I guess if you get out of the line in less than 15 minutes and don’t see the individual you were standing in line with at other places multiple times within 24 hours and it adds up to 15 minutes total you should be good. :shocked:

“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has redefined what it considers “close contact” with someone who has COVID-19. The term refers to the amount of time one has to spend in the presence of a person with COVID-19 in order to contract the disease from them. And unfortunately, the concept of “close contact” has become even more restrictive.

Previously, the CDC described “close contact” as being within six feet of a COVID-19-infected individual for 15 minutes. In other words, if you were standing close to someone who had COVID-19 for at least 15 minutes there was a good chance you could become infected too.

However, now the CDC says that 15-minute time frame doesn’t need to be consecutive. Rather, now you are considered to have had “close contact” with an infected individual if you’ve spent a cumulative 15 minutes over a 24-hour period standing within six feet of them. In other words, if you spent five minutes near an infected individual at 8 a.m., four minutes with the same individual at noon, and six minutes with that individual at 7:30 p.m., you’re now considered to have had “close contact” and could have very well been infected yourself.”

[Dana1963]

The CDC contradicts itself all the time. How can they say that children (K-12) are safer in school and sitting together in closed classrooms where they go home and hang around with their family members, yet, at the same time say that you should quarantine if you were within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more (this could happen in a grocery store checkout line and you would never know about it). Unless we shut down EVERYTHING, including hospitals/doctors/dentists for 4 weeks or more, this virus is not going away.

There is not convincing evidence that I am aware of of asymptomatic spread which is probably why medical staff that tests positive but remains asymptomatic are actually required to come into work in many hospitals throughout the country.

Use caution and common sense.
North Dakota is requesting medical staff to work if asymptotic there is no pool left for traveling nurse recruiters because they are already deployed. A group of South Korean nurses are being deployed to the US along with Air Force and Army nurses due to shortages in some areas.

[CFrance]

I don't disagree, but many of us wonder how long to wait to get tested to see if the virus incubated in us. In other words, WHEN after exposure is a person contagious to others IF they do catch it.
And that is the problem. I had a similar situation. A woman I play pickleball with is in a dance group with a woman who tested positive a few days later. The woman herself tested negative. However, her doctor's office had told her since it had been a week, she didn't need to get tested. We are all wondering what exactly she told her doctor's office. Fortunately, the dance group's leader wouldn't let anyone return to practice unless they got a test. The group practices indoors with no masks. Ridiculous. We have now decided that we won't be playing pickleball with her as long as she remains in her two dance groups.

I called my doctor's office, and they advised waiting a few days and then get tested. I am scheduled to get tested tomorrow.

I'm not sure even the doctors know what is the right thing to do/how long to wait.

[tophcfa]

The correct answer is to seek the advise of your medical professional
.

There you go, good advise, but stay quarantined until you get the answers from a respected medical professional.

[coffeebean]

Slightly off my topic but in line with the above suggestions:

I always get in front of my cart. this allows me to control how close I choose not to get to the person in front of me and it allows me to control how close the person behind can get.
With a smile of course!

There are just too many who, for some reason, have to be 6 inches on one's back.

During normal times (no pandemic), I will never understand the rationale of some people who stand very close to others when waiting in line. During this current time of a pandemic, I find it extremely inconsiderate and probably boorish to cozy up to strangers when on line. That is disgraceful behavior. You know who you are!

[EdFNJ]

There is not convincing evidence that I am aware of of asymptomatic spread which is probably why medical staff that tests positive but remains asymptomatic are actually required to come into work in many hospitals throughout the country. It has nothing to do with them thinking asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic nurses/doctors/etc don't spread the virus but with overrun hospitals who need nurses:
North Dakota allows Covid-positive healthcare workers to stay on job as nurses warn it'''s '''irresponsible''' (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487)

Earlier on yes, they hospitals were breaking OSHA rules to force infected people back to work but again it wasn't related to anyone thinking that asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people don't spread the virus, it was just due to ignorant management who was desperate for help. I'd like to see where anyone with bonifides is saying pre or asymptomatic people cannot spread the virus. In fact, recent reporting says people are most contagious before they even have symptoms. 1 in 5 COVID-19 Cases Are Asymptomatic but Can Spread the Disease (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/20-percent-of-people-with-covid-19-are-asymptomatic-but-can-spread-the-disease)
You can read the peer reviewed medical journal with the actual study discussed here in the previous link.


From Harvard Medical School:
How soon after I'm infected with the new coronavirus will I start to be contagious?

The time from exposure to symptom onset (known as the incubation period) is thought to be three to 14 days, though symptoms typically appear within four or five days after exposure.
We know that a person with COVID-19 may be contagious 48 to 72 hours before starting to experience symptoms. Emerging research suggests that people may actually be most likely to spread the virus to others during the 48 hours before they start to experience symptoms.
If you've been exposed to the coronavirus - Harvard Health (https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/if-youve-been-exposed-to-the-coronavirus#:~:text=We%20know%20that%20a%20person, start%20to%20experience%20symptoms).

[Scott O]

We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?
If someone was just exposed the day of the meeting, obviously they are not an active carrier, there is no way they had symptoms and therefore should not be passing on an illness...I would not be alarmed. If they were exposed 4-5 days prior that would be different...

[tsmall22204]

I5 is your life. .make excuses why not to quarantine, you and possibly your family and friends live or die with that decision. The weakest link in the chain is where the chain breaks.

[Scott O]

The CDC contradicts itself all the time. How can they say that children (K-12) are safer in school and sitting together in closed classrooms where they go home and hang around with their family members, yet, at the same time say that you should quarantine if you were within 6 feet of someone for 15 minutes or more (this could happen in a grocery store checkout line and you would never know about it). Unless we shut down EVERYTHING, including hospitals/doctors/dentists for 4 weeks or more, this virus is not going away.

There is not convincing evidence that I am aware of of asymptomatic spread which is probably why medical staff that tests positive but remains asymptomatic are actually required to come into work in many hospitals throughout the country.

Use caution and common sense.
And shutting down for 4 weeks doesn’t work either, there’s no way to shut everything down..people have to eat, visit Dr and do necessary things so that idea is absolutely ridiculous...sorry to break it to you, it doesn’t just go away and we have a country falling apart when everything is shut down! Stay home if your worried otherwise the rest of us need to work!!

[Scott O]

I5 is your life. .make excuses why not to quarantine, you and possibly your family and friends live or die with that decision. The weakest link in the chain is where the chain breaks.
Really? Spear them of your drama...the person they had was NOT a positive Covid Case carrier, it’s impossible ...there’s no way that being near someone earlier in the day, that they became active carriers, within hours...

[Scott O]

When our next door neighbor got sick: dry cough, aches, vomiting she went to the doctor and was told she had Covid 19. She called us and those she had been in contact with immediately. We all waited 3 to 5 days to get tested to avoid false negatives. Some health officials say wait 5 to 7 days. There is no firm number of days to wait but symptoms should appear in 2 to 14 days.

Just some advice to those who think this is a hoax and masks are not needed, if you could see how sick this very healthy person (did not wear mask often) got, had to have a relative watch her 24/7 and call 911 to get her hospitalized and on IV and oxygen you might change your mind. She is now on the mend fortunately.
And there’s the difference, you were exposed to and ACTIVE Covid case, so you need to quarantine...someone who was near someone earlier in the day is not a positive Covid carrier...

[banjobob]

We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?
If you have other issues , Quarantine otherwise move on .

[JudyLife]

In my opinion you are not being paranoid, you are being sensible and following public health guidelines. I hope you are both ok.

[Rwirish]

Why not contact the Health Department for recommended guidelines?

[Linnberg]

I don't disagree, but many of us wonder how long to wait to get tested to see if the virus incubated in us. In other words, WHEN after exposure is a person contagious to others IF they do catch it.

Our tennis group had same predicament. What made it more tricky was that the original positive person crossed multiple groups which turned our tennis community to be all possibly touched and many played golf and pickle ball as well. It could have caused a major
Event across The Villages especially since the first person was asymptomatic and only tested because she was going to visit daughter and grandchild out of town.
Discovered that exposure in first few days results in high false negatives but correct
Positives. Need to wait 7 days or more. Everyone who tested positive quarantined for 2 weeks and got more than one negative result before going back to activity.
Also since nothing got
Closed and many potentially positive, we did our own contact tracing and all contacted other captains with the information. I hope
And believe we may have avoided a major outbreak. 7 ended up positive with only 1 who actually had symptoms and hers was pretty
Awful.

[MandoMan]

We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?

Your response to this exposure seems sensible and responsible, even though your risk of contracting the virus is lower as you were outside and, I assume, socially distanced. I hope you remain healthy.

[soniak4@gmail.com]

I don't disagree, but many of us wonder how long to wait to get tested to see if the virus incubated in us. In other words, WHEN after exposure is a person contagious to others IF they do catch it.

It’s 10 days. Quarantine and get tested now and then at the end of the quarantine. That is the safest way to go. Praying that everyone in the meeting is ok.

[FromNY]

Next meeting wear a mask. Social distancing helps also. We are inhaling flu and Covid-19 bugs where ever we go.
How much.. undetermined..How our bodies respond? Depends on your health. Some people never get sick others can die from a common cold. You choose your exposure.You are responsible for putting a mask on, washing hands and distancing. A test may give you peace of mind but good practice of recommended actions may save your life. MASK please.

[bddadler@gmail.com]

29 people are too many whether indoors or outdoors

[Girlcopper]

get tested and cancel activities for two weeks at least

Dont waste time getting tested. It can take up to 2 weeks to get a positive result if you caught it. If worried. Just monitor yourself and quarantine. Easy oeasy

[rlcooper70]

I love "To be consistent with our conservative approach" .....

Can we be conservatives and still object to people gathering without masks and against spreading the virus that is destroying so many lives?

Or is there a new definition requiring us to make bad decisions?

[Kahiland]

Walgreens at Lake Deacon plaza is testing. Make and appt and they will get test results back to u fast. Good luck!

[rmd2]

Slightly off my topic but in line with the above suggestions:

I always get in front of my cart. this allows me to control how close I choose not to get to the person in front of me and it allows me to control how close the person behind can get.
With a smile of course!

There are just too many who, for some reason, have to be 6 inches on one's back.

I do that too!

[Bill14564]

29 people are too many whether indoors or outdoors

The math says I can socially distance 29 people in my house, much less a large meeting room or outside. I bet there are more than 29 people in the Publix most of the day.

No number of people is too large if properly distanced; no number of people is small enough if not properly distanced.

[rmd2]

I wonder how many people have been tested positive and do NOT quarantine. There is quite a spike around here now.

[Dgodin]

We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?
We have been in a similar situation with exposure and have taken 2 trips this past year, the first via auto and the second by air.

We elected to get tested at Paramount urgent care. We tested after both trips and my wife, who was exposed was tested a third time.

In all cases we emailed the results, which were negative, to all parties.

[Dlbonivich]

Not everyone should get tested, the person exposed needs to wait 72 hours to get tested and quarantine. Everyone else should quarantine until results are back vIf he tests positive then others should quarantine 10 days with no symptoms and 14 from 1st symptoms This according to my daughter who currently has Covid and had been working every day.

[Bill14564]

I wonder how many people have been tested positive and do NOT quarantine. There is quite a spike around here now.

Probably not many (any?), people around here are more responsible than that. I haven't seen or heard anyone sneezing or coughing in quite a while. My guess (which is also my guiding assumption) is most people who are contagious have not been tested because they are not showing any symptoms. Be careful, wear a mask, and distance from everyone.

Not every increase is a spike. Most of the country has seen a tremendous increase in the last month and it would be foolish to expect this area to not see anything. There has been an increase and people need to be extra careful but is it enough to call it a spike?

[RoseW]

I had a similar situation. The person who had the contact (#1) should be tested immediately and all others should stay apart until #1s test results come back. If negative no worries, if positive get tested. If you are two degrees away from a positive test this is the correct thing to do according to cdc.

[Villages Kahuna]

Proves that opting for even modest exposure might not work. At your (my) age, staying home and waiting for the vaccine might be a good idea. That’s what I’ve been doing and will continue. I really don’t like the odds. And there are way too many people who selfishly and stubbornly refuse to follow the advice of the most expert and experienced doctors and epidemiologists.

[newgirl]

Thank you! Pray you are safe!

[La lamy]

Slightly off my topic but in line with the above suggestions:

I always get in front of my cart. this allows me to control how close I choose not to get to the person in front of me and it allows me to control how close the person behind can get.
With a smile of course!

There are just too many who, for some reason, have to be 6 inches on one's back.
The topic is "paranoia or not" so I think you're not too far off topic. I think you have offered us a fantastic idea!!! I politely asked some man that was 2 feet behind me if he could give me more space, and he started going off on me with "EXCUUUUUUUUSE MEEEEE!!!" crap, so I know there's no reasoning or debate to be had with some people. The cart behind me idea is brilliant.

[La lamy]

I wonder how many people have been tested positive and do NOT quarantine. There is quite a spike around here now.

I know someone who has admitted that he went to Home Depot while sick with Covid. It happens a lot I bet. :ohdear: And now he hugs people because he thinks he's immune to it. Reinfections happen and sometimes turn out to be even worse. Needless to say, I stay well back of him when he speaks to me.

[EviesGP]

Sorry for your situation, and sorry for the condemnations and snarky comments on here. A sign of the times(see eweissenbach's post). Per Gracie(and other's) post, I'd wait for about a week, to get tested(to ensure enough is built up to show)? As for the tests, the PCR is the most accurate(but results lag a bit). However, if you opt for the rapid test(quick results), be cautious. If you're asymptomatic, the results are not as accurate(i.e. false positives/false negatives). Best of luck and health!

[Lindsyburnsy]

Unfortunate reality.

[jimjamuser]

We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?
Personally, I think that you're doing a 14-day quarantine is intelligent, thoughtful, morally correct, and even patriotic. Good decision! President Harry Truman said, "the buck stops here". Well, you are saying, "The CV spread stops here (with you)". That is a wise and PATRIOTIC thing to do - anything that weakens America helps Russia and China!

[ts12755]

Just go on with your life. Wear your mask, wash your hands and social distance when possible. Its not going away, all will get it. Even when vaccines come out we will need annual vaccines for new strains. If we would have let it run its course 2.3 million Americans would die and the virus would fizzle in 2 years. The virus is being used to eliminate the middle class and make the rich richer.

[ts12755]

He is immune, and where is the data on reinvention? I know at least 12 Villagers that have had it and no reinfection.

[Jima64]

Guess I am a chicken. I stay away from crowds and always wear a mask and wash my hands. But alive and well.

[Bogie Shooter]

and the beat goes on..........

[dewilson58]

and the beat goes on..........


Can you name that tune in four notes??

[yankygrl]

We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?
Did you contact your primary care doctor for advise OR the health dept? I would quarantine until you do one of those and get tested if they feel that is the best route.

[Byte1]

Well the 15 minute exposure rule is now changing. Here is the recent information from the CDC. So I guess if you get out of the line in less than 15 minutes and don’t see the individual you were standing in line with at other places multiple times within 24 hours and it adds up to 15 minutes total you should be good. :shocked:

“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has redefined what it considers “close contact” with someone who has COVID-19. The term refers to the amount of time one has to spend in the presence of a person with COVID-19 in order to contract the disease from them. And unfortunately, the concept of “close contact” has become even more restrictive.

Previously, the CDC described “close contact” as being within six feet of a COVID-19-infected individual for 15 minutes. In other words, if you were standing close to someone who had COVID-19 for at least 15 minutes there was a good chance you could become infected too.

However, now the CDC says that 15-minute time frame doesn’t need to be consecutive. Rather, now you are considered to have had “close contact” with an infected individual if you’ve spent a cumulative 15 minutes over a 24-hour period standing within six feet of them. In other words, if you spent five minutes near an infected individual at 8 a.m., four minutes with the same individual at noon, and six minutes with that individual at 7:30 p.m., you’re now considered to have had “close contact” and could have very well been infected yourself.”

Basically what you are saying is that if someone stops to converse with someone that does not have a mask on and dwells there for 15 minutes, then it is their stupid fault if they get infected, not the person that is not wearing the mask. After all, it is those folks that are afraid of getting the virus, and they know that they risk exposure.
Moral of the story is to avoid bothering those that do not wish to wear a mask and you will be fine. To put it a little shorter, mind your own business if you wish to live an long life.

[Byte1]

Just go on with your life. Wear your mask, wash your hands and social distance when possible. Its not going away, all will get it. Even when vaccines come out we will need annual vaccines for new strains. If we would have let it run its course 2.3 million Americans would die and the virus would fizzle in 2 years. The virus is being used to eliminate the middle class and make the rich richer.

Glass half empty?

[Byte1]

Slightly off my topic but in line with the above suggestions:

I always get in front of my cart. this allows me to control how close I choose not to get to the person in front of me and it allows me to control how close the person behind can get.
With a smile of course!

There are just too many who, for some reason, have to be 6 inches on one's back.

I have yet to see a person's "smile" behind their mask :icon_wink:

[Byte1]

I have NEVER stopped and chatted with a customer in a store for 15 minutes. I do not see how I could possibly catch the virus from another customer when I merely push my cart past someone for less than a minute, even if they had no mask. And there are always folks without masks in the stores when I go shopping. I do not know why the conversations shifted away from the OP's question, but that is common on here.
I already responded that this is not the place to ask for medical advice. The OP's doctor is the person to ask.

[La lamy]

He is immune, and where is the data on reinvention? I know at least 12 Villagers that have had it and no reinfection.

I assume you meant reinfection. There is more online but here is an example :
More people are getting COVID-19 twice, suggesting immunity wanes quickly in some | Science | AAAS (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/more-people-are-getting-covid-19-twice-suggesting-immunity-wanes-quickly-some)

[kirk123]

I agree with you and everyone else. I am probably worse because I am a hypercondriac.

[Gulfcoast]

And shutting down for 4 weeks doesn’t work either, there’s no way to shut everything down..people have to eat, visit Dr and do necessary things so that idea is absolutely ridiculous...sorry to break it to you, it doesn’t just go away and we have a country falling apart when everything is shut down! Stay home if your worried otherwise the rest of us need to work!!

I agree that shutting everything down is not possible. Even if it was possible, think of all of the needless misery, suffering and death that would result from not being able to get healthcare, prescriptions filled, food, etc. What would happen to people in nursing homes, assisted living? Would the staff be required to quarantine with the residents or would the residents be on their own? The best course of action really is for people to do their own individual risk assessments and mitigate their own risks as best they can, as necessary.

[jimjamuser]

North Dakota is requesting medical staff to work if asymptotic there is no pool left for traveling nurse recruiters because they are already deployed. A group of South Korean nurses are being deployed to the US along with Air Force and Army nurses due to shortages in some areas.
Good informative post! Thanks.

[Topspinmo]

Can you name that tune in four notes??

Plymouth wins you over! And beat goes on!

[jimjamuser]

Probably not many (any?), people around here are more responsible than that. I haven't seen or heard anyone sneezing or coughing in quite a while. My guess (which is also my guiding assumption) is most people who are contagious have not been tested because they are not showing any symptoms. Be careful, wear a mask, and distance from everyone.

Not every increase is a spike. Most of the country has seen a tremendous increase in the last month and it would be foolish to expect this area to not see anything. There has been an increase and people need to be extra careful but is it enough to call it a spike?
80% of the TV Landers that I know and associate with are NOT what I would call responsible people. They think and DO just what the others in their sphere do. (as in sheep)

[jimjamuser]

Proves that opting for even modest exposure might not work. At your (my) age, staying home and waiting for the vaccine might be a good idea. That’s what I’ve been doing and will continue. I really don’t like the odds. And there are way too many people who selfishly and stubbornly refuse to follow the advice of the most expert and experienced doctors and epidemiologists.
You are so correct! I think you should be elected major of TV Land and have more power to make decisions than the developers.

[NoMoSno]

80% of the TV Landers that I know and associate with are NOT what I would call responsible people. They think and DO just what the others in their sphere do. (as in sheep)
Maybe YOU should not associate with IRRESPONSIBLE people.

[oldtimes]

80% of the TV Landers that I know and associate with are NOT what I would call responsible people. They think and DO just what the others in their sphere do. (as in sheep)

Well if you associate with them are you not in their sphere?

[jimjamuser]

I know someone who has admitted that he went to Home Depot while sick with Covid. It happens a lot I bet. :ohdear: And now he hugs people because he thinks he's immune to it. Reinfections happen and sometimes turn out to be even worse. Needless to say, I stay well back of him when he speaks to me.
That boy is a sicky (mentally) and as you said, he does not give a flying ant about humanity.

[jimjamuser]

Just go on with your life. Wear your mask, wash your hands and social distance when possible. Its not going away, all will get it. Even when vaccines come out we will need annual vaccines for new strains. If we would have let it run its course 2.3 million Americans would die and the virus would fizzle in 2 years. The virus is being used to eliminate the middle class and make the rich richer.
The middle class has already been effectively destroyed. Normal life will return IF and WHEN a vaccine is AVAILABLE to everyone. Yes, everyone will NOT take the vaccine, but ENOUGH will.

[jimjamuser]

Well if you associate with them are you not in their sphere?
Not necessarily, I could be part of the OTHER 20%.

[graciegirl]

There is debate. And there are summary assessments.

And then there is just plain angry- at- almost- everybody- all- of -the -time posts.

We may change our names but our personality glows like headlights.

[oldtimes]

Not necessarily, I could be part of the OTHER 20%.

But you still associate with them

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I'd go get tested. It's not big deal.

[sallybowron]

I have to wonder how you had a group of twenty people when ten people is supposed to be the top limit. Don't big groups add to the chances of getting Covid?

[billethkid]

I have to wonder how you had a group of twenty people when ten people is supposed to be the top limit. Don't big groups add to the chances of getting Covid?

Group of 20 socially distance correct....not an issue at country clubs or rec centers....

[Byte1]

Maybe YOU should not associate with IRRESPONSIBLE people.

Totally agree with you. Some folks do not know the meaning of a "positive attitude." And some of the same misuse the term "Patriotic."
Like the saying goes "you can please some of the people...." or is it "you can please ALL the people some of the time..." or maybe it ought to be just "you can't please some people any of the time."

[Byte1]

I have to wonder how you had a group of twenty people when ten people is supposed to be the top limit. Don't big groups add to the chances of getting Covid?

How so? If you are in a group of 100 people and one or none has the virus, how is that different than if you are in a group of 10 people and one or none has the virus? Just because there are more people does not mean that you are going to become infected. There may be thousands like at the Polo field and no one gets the virus. Why? Maybe no one was infected at the rally.
People on here seem to assume that anyone around them will be carrying the virus. Maybe you will go a whole year and never come into contact with anyone infected. Or, maybe you will come into contact with someone that has the virus and not become infected.
I have never had the flu. Does that mean that I am immune to it or does it mean that I have never been exposed to the flu?
The infection rate we have been seeing on a day to day basis is distorted by the number of times the same people get repeat testing. We do not know how many of the tested positive several times and we do not know how many infected have never been tested. We do not know how many have died or are in the hospital purely because of the virus or whether they entered the hospital for some other reason or died for some other reason and were tested positive. There are a lot of missing facts that are not available and should be taken into consideration.
And before anyone suggests it, I am not shrugging off the seriousness of the virus. I simply operate under the assumption that many folks are allowing hysteria and panic run their lives. Nothing wrong with that if it keeps you safe; don't get me wrong. I just weigh my gut feeling, common sense and logic with how I wish to live my life. Against all odds I also ride a motorcycle, knowing that it is dangerous. But, I wear a helmet and don't need the gov to mandate it for me.

I kind of lost respect for some of the TV medical experts when they said that children are safer at school than at home. I agree that schools should be open, but that was a ludicrous statement. Everyone knows that kids go to school and bring home diseases that they get from other kids. To tell Americans that it is safer for them in school is suggesting that the average American is just plain stupid and easily open to suggestion.

And to those that make disparaging comments:
Just like suggesting that if someone does not do what you agree with is not being "patriotic." You can tell me that I am not being a good citizen and I might accept that as a valid opinion. But, never tell someone that they are not PATRIOTIC if they do not do what you believe is right. Especially, when you do not know how much that person may have sacrificed for his country in the past.

[jaj523]

According to the CDC, the virus is no longer as lethal as it once was. 99 out of 100 people who contract COVID survive!!!!!

[Bill14564]

According to the CDC, the virus is no longer as lethal as it once was. 99 out of 100 people who contract COVID survive!!!!!

The CDC has not said that and your numbers are wrong!

[Villageswimmer]

According to the CDC, the virus is no longer as lethal as it once was. 99 out of 100 people who contract COVID survive!!!!!


IF they made that statement, it was likely for the general population, not older people.

I couldn’t find that on their site.

[Schaumburger]

According to the CDC, the virus is no longer as lethal as it once was. 99 out of 100 people who contract COVID survive!!!!!

In the Harvard Health Blog posted 10/15/2020, Read "The Tragedy of the Post-COVID Long Haulers" by Anthony Komaroff, MD, Editor in Chief of the Harvard Health Letter. Not a exactly a day at the beach to be a Long Hauler. But what the heck, COVID is just like the flu... wrong! :sad:

[tophcfa]

Reality!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We had a club meeting 11/23 (approximately 20 people).
We have just been advised one of the members in attendance was exposed (for over 30 minutes) to a positive tested co-worker, the morning of our meeting day.

So...options or correct thing to do?

Self quarantine for 14 days?

Try to recall where we were relative to that person to determine our specific exposure (or not)?

Several members of the same club golf together once per week...do we cancel golf this weekend?

We could start to factor in....

was the initial exposure indoors/outdoors?

was our club meeting indoors or outdoors?

even though golf is relatively safe is it a risk to play with those known to have been in a possible exposure venue?

And so on.

We are in our mid eighties and have been very diligent in what we do or do not do during the pandemic. We chose to go to the club meeting as the group was relatively small and it was held out side. We have chosen to play golf as it is an outdoor activity with minimal risks (INHO).

Now the reality of who we have been in contact with since the meeting.....and what do we do from today onward.

To be consistent with our conservative approach to what we do and do not do, we will self quarantine and we will cancel golf this weekend. We will also call those we know we have been in contact with since our club meeting.

Pandemic paranoia? Reality?

An outdoor meeting = relatively low risk (compared to an indoor meeting, not compared to no meeting at all)

Golf = relatively low risk (compared to bridge, not compared to staying home).

Did you social distance during the meeting? If so, I honestly wouldn't be all that concerned. Maybe be a little more conservative than usual - don't necessarily isolate yourselves, but don't go out to dinner - get curb-side take-out if you want restaurant food. When you go grocery shopping, go with a list, know where the items are, social distance AND wear a mask even if the store doesn't require it, and get what you need and leave without lingering.

If you want to see a neighbor, ask to see them in the driveway. You can set out chairs there, at a social distance, and enjoy the brisk cool Florida winter air.

Things like that. If you show ANY symptoms of even so much as a winter cold, call everything off and isolate for 2 weeks.

That's what I would do.

I don't think you're being paranoid. I do think you're being more cautious than is necessary given the limited amount of information you provided in your first post.

[graciegirl]

According to the CDC, the virus is no longer as lethal as it once was. 99 out of 100 people who contract COVID survive!!!!!

The CDC did NOT say the virus was less lethal. The virus has not changed and it is still the most dangerous to older people. 80% of those who died are over 70.

People can have it without symptoms.

[graciegirl]

On Local Television news last night;

Local ICU nurse traveled to Ohio to be with her father dying of Covid. Staff gently refused her to be with him. They said the rules said she could not come in. They held his hand. His last words were that he was afraid of dying. He was 69.

She said that she will hold the hands of those dying always thinking of her dad.

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[charmed59]

According to the CDC, the virus is no longer as lethal as it once was. 99 out of 100 people who contract COVID survive!!!!!

Using numbers from the Florida state department of health:
1 in 20 of those 65-74 that tested positive for COVID died.
1 in 9 of those 75-84 that tested positive for COVID died.
1 in 4 of those over 85 that caught COVID died.

Many more young people get the virus, and very few of them die. If you didn’t count anyone over 65 less than 1 out of 200 of people who get COVID die. If you take out those 55 and over that drops to 1 out of 750.

[Boomer]

There are many who cling to the death statistics to reinforce cavalier attitudes. (That in itself is creepy — guess they do not know anyone personally who has been affected — so, hey, that’s all that matters, right?)

There is another stat though that reveals a clearer picture of reality.

I am back in Ohio now — where I will stay for a while. Ohio’s governor (R) keeps us informed.

At Monday’s news conference, he said that on November 1, there were 1700 Covid hospitalizations in Ohio. But as of November 30, there are over 5000 hospitalizations due to Covid. Do the math for that percentage increase.

Hospitalizations for Covid grow arms and legs when beds are filled and staff exhausted. Others put off routine tests that could be lifesaving.

I now know one person recovering at home, and 3 hospitalizations, and one death.

The invisibility of this enemy adds to the creepiness of this mess.

Anyway, as far as stats go, I am so tired of hearing that those death stats are nothing. If that is what floats your boat -- well, whatever — but please explain to me the very real trend of that enormous increase in Ohio’s hospitalizations in just the past 30 days.

It’s here. It’s real. And we should have been cooperating as Americans to do what we could — whether we like it or believe in it or not. Wearing a mask and distancing are not that hard to do. Not trying is disgusting, speaks volumes.

The virus should eventually go away. But what will take a lot longer to go away will be how we think of people we know who put others at risk.

Never has there been a time that so clearly revealed so much about who people really are.

[Bill14564]

There are many who cling to the death statistics to reinforce cavalier attitudes. (That in itself is creepy — guess they do not know anyone personally who has been affected — so, hey, that’s all that matters, right?)

There are others who look at the death statistics to get a sense of perspective. In the younger population this virus kills at a lower rate than the seasonal flu while in the older population it is much more deadly. On average it is about 40 times more deadly than the flu but it is critical to know which group you are in.

Even being as deadly as it is, this virus is not going to end civilization as we know it. The anti-death statistics (over 12M test positive and survive) give reason for hope. This is not a time to become cavalier but it seems there ought to be a way to manage the virus without halting travel and locking people in their homes.

There is another stat though that reveals a clearer picture of reality.

I am back in Ohio now — where I will stay for a while. Ohio’s governor (R) keeps us informed.

At Monday’s news conference, he said that on November 1, there were 1700 Covid hospitalizations in Ohio. But as of November 30, there are over 5000 hospitalizations due to Covid. Do the math for that percentage increase.

Hospitalizations for Covid grow arms and legs when beds are filled and staff exhausted. Others put off routine tests that could be lifesaving.

I now know one person recovering at home, and 3 hospitalizations, and one death.

The invisibility of this enemy adds to the creepiness of this mess.

Anyway, as far as stats go, I am so tired of hearing that those death stats are nothing. If that is what floats your boat -- well, whatever — but please explain to me the very real trend of that enormous increase in Ohio’s hospitalizations in just the past 30 days.

It’s here. It’s real. And we should have been cooperating as Americans to do what we could — whether we like it or believe in it or not. Wearing a mask and distancing are not that hard to do. Not trying is disgusting, speaks volumes.

The virus should eventually go away. But what will take a lot longer to go away will be how we think of people we know who put others at risk.

Never has there been a time that so clearly revealed so much about who people really are.

I have read so much in these multiple threads about people being irresponsible. Perhaps I have a different filter than others but I don't see it that much. According to one statistic I saw, only 30% of the population does not wear a mask. Is that number high enough to explain the 13M positive cases so far? Are there really more than that who aren't wearing masks? Is it possible that the virus will spread regardless of masks and all the mask shaming that is going on is misguided? I don't know the answers, I just don't believe the there are only a dozen people in the entire US who are wearing masks.

[Bogie Shooter]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Glass half empty?

completely empty

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If you really and truly want "perspective" then you'll stop using death as the only criteria of whether or not a virus is a problem.

There are a bunch of things:

1. deaths
2. hospitalizations and the costs associated with that
3. families affected by the deaths of people who fit category #1
4. employers who now have to hire and spend time, money, and resources to train new people to fill the jobs that the people in category #1 can no longer fill because they're a little too busy being dead to do it now.
5. people who get sick and recover from the sickness, but now have life-long permanent lung and/or heart damage, and all the expense that goes with it.
6. people who were working, being productive members of society, who are now in category #5 and are now on medicaid, food stamps, and housing subsidies, courtesy of the taxpayers.
7. families of people in category #5, who have to spend the next "x" number of years attending to their sick relative for the rest of his/her life, which might be a long time. They don't know, because this thing has only existed for a year or so.
8. the burden on employers who now have to accommodate those family caretakers via family leave of absence.
9. the stress of being told that your husband is about to die, but sorry you can't be with him to hold his hand while he quite literally suffocates to death.
10. the stress of the families that have to live with a woman whose husband died, and she wasn't allowed to be with him, but was allowed to watch him die, live and in color, on a Zoom video.

and the list goes on, and on, and on. Death is just one of many issues resulting from this virus. It is the final issue, but I would think death is the least of the bad things that happen. Because once you're dead, being sick is not a problem for you anymore. It's all the rest of the world that has to deal with you being dead, that continues to be a problem. And recovering with permanent lung and/or heart damage, might end up being a fate worse than death for some.

[Byte1]

If you really and truly want "perspective" then you'll stop using death as the only criteria of whether or not a virus is a problem.

There are a bunch of things:

1. deaths
2. hospitalizations and the costs associated with that
3. families affected by the deaths of people who fit category #1
4. employers who now have to hire and spend time, money, and resources to train new people to fill the jobs that the people in category #1 can no longer fill because they're a little too busy being dead to do it now.
5. people who get sick and recover from the sickness, but now have life-long permanent lung and/or heart damage, and all the expense that goes with it.
6. people who were working, being productive members of society, who are now in category #5 and are now on medicaid, food stamps, and housing subsidies, courtesy of the taxpayers.
7. families of people in category #5, who have to spend the next "x" number of years attending to their sick relative for the rest of his/her life, which might be a long time. They don't know, because this thing has only existed for a year or so.
8. the burden on employers who now have to accommodate those family caretakers via family leave of absence.
9. the stress of being told that your husband is about to die, but sorry you can't be with him to hold his hand while he quite literally suffocates to death.
10. the stress of the families that have to live with a woman whose husband died, and she wasn't allowed to be with him, but was allowed to watch him die, live and in color, on a Zoom video.

and the list goes on, and on, and on. Death is just one of many issues resulting from this virus. It is the final issue, but I would think death is the least of the bad things that happen. Because once you're dead, being sick is not a problem for you anymore. It's all the rest of the world that has to deal with you being dead, that continues to be a problem. And recovering with permanent lung and/or heart damage, might end up being a fate worse than death for some.

Those are traits of ALL serious illnesses. Death is the most effective stat when it comes to a virus that there is no idea how many are truly infected. Hospitalizations and death stats are more informative than how many times a test comes back positive, when some of the same folks are tested multiple times and most of the population is not even tested. The only way testing would be valid would to test everyone in the U.S. at one time and document the results. Impossible feat.

[graciegirl]

If you really and truly want "perspective" then you'll stop using death as the only criteria of whether or not a virus is a problem.

There are a bunch of things:

1. deaths
2. hospitalizations and the costs associated with that
3. families affected by the deaths of people who fit category #1
4. employers who now have to hire and spend time, money, and resources to train new people to fill the jobs that the people in category #1 can no longer fill because they're a little too busy being dead to do it now.
5. people who get sick and recover from the sickness, but now have life-long permanent lung and/or heart damage, and all the expense that goes with it.
6. people who were working, being productive members of society, who are now in category #5 and are now on medicaid, food stamps, and housing subsidies, courtesy of the taxpayers.
7. families of people in category #5, who have to spend the next "x" number of years attending to their sick relative for the rest of his/her life, which might be a long time. They don't know, because this thing has only existed for a year or so.
8. the burden on employers who now have to accommodate those family caretakers via family leave of absence.
9. the stress of being told that your husband is about to die, but sorry you can't be with him to hold his hand while he quite literally suffocates to death.
10. the stress of the families that have to live with a woman whose husband died, and she wasn't allowed to be with him, but was allowed to watch him die, live and in color, on a Zoom video.

and the list goes on, and on, and on. Death is just one of many issues resulting from this virus. It is the final issue, but I would think death is the least of the bad things that happen. Because once you're dead, being sick is not a problem for you anymore. It's all the rest of the world that has to deal with you being dead, that continues to be a problem. And recovering with permanent lung and/or heart damage, might end up being a fate worse than death for some.

I see your point and it is valid. All these things are awful. It will take a while for the bean counters to tell us how bad.

As it now stands, about one of ten people who are over eighty who have contracted Covid-19 will die. That really matters to me who is 81 and still really enjoying life. I would really like to continue living for awhile and take my chances with the other stuff.

I would be just as concerned if it were your age group, (under sixty) or the little ones with a whole life ahead of them. life is precious to many of us. Ours and others.

[Velvet]

I see your point and it is valid. All these things are awful. It will take a while for the bean counters to tell us how bad.

As it now stands, about one of ten people who are over eighty who have contracted Covid-19 will die. That really matters to me who is 81 and still really enjoying life. I would really like to continue living for awhile and take my chances with the other stuff.

I would be just as concerned if it were your age group, (under sixty) or the little ones with a whole life ahead of them. life is precious to many of us. Ours and others.

According to medical authorities Covid is a completely preventable disease, and I am quite sure that with your wisdom and guidance, Gracie, you and yours will be fine.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Exposure to someone who has COVID requires a lot more than you being in the same room or even close to them. They would have to sneeze or cough near you to spread. Wait at least a week before getting tested unless you are having symptoms which can take several days to a week to show up. Don’t freak out.

[Swoop]

According to medical authorities Covid is a completely preventable disease, and I am quite sure that with your wisdom and guidance, Gracie, you and yours will be fine.

Please share the names of the “medical authorities” who claim that Covid is a “completely preventable disease”...

[Papa_lecki]

Well, its been almost 2 weeks, what’s the verdict? Did all 20 people at the meeting get COVID? Did any?

[Papa_lecki]

Please share the names of the “medical authorities” who claim that Covid is a “completely preventable disease”...

Agree, you can lower your chance of getting many disease....
Lung cancer, Don’t smoke -
Heart disease, exercise, eat low fat, etc
Skin cancer, sun screen, stay out of the sun

How many of us do these things 100% of the time.