Putting the Corona Virus into perspective.

[Taltarzac725]

This is off of Facebook--

Perspective.

Here is the story: You get a fever, and it's a little hard to breathe, but not that bad. Take some tylenol and go to bed. You wake up in the middle of the night to find yourself gasping for air. You reach over to your wife and get her attention. She rolls over, “What's wrong honey? It's the middle of the night.” It's then she can hear you breathing, or trying to. She turns on the light and sees the panic in your eyes... No matter how much you inhale, it's not enough, it's never enough. That would be bad enough but the fever is spiking, it's hard to focus. Your three kids come into the room, they heard Mom talking loud, trying to get your attention. The little girl, 6 years old, you're the center of her universe. She's a daddy's girl and loves it when you take her places with you. "Is Daddy Okay?" Mom tries to hide her panic "He's fine honey, he'll be okay..." She struggles trying to decide if she should drive you to the emergency room or get an ambulance. She decides to drive. You're too out of it to get dressed so she takes you in your pajamas. Once there, they admit you. Your wife cannot go in. You're alone. She is sent to the house to quarantine with the rest of your kids. They start to work on you. You're getting tired, your chest hurts from trying to breathe for so long. Your blood pressure is up. They lower your fever a little and put on an oxygen mask. It seems to help a little, but only for an hour or so. Then your lungs begin to fight for air again. They offer to turn you over on your stomach, "sometimes it helps" they say. They roll you over... It does. You look out the door, Doctors are running everywhere. There are patients in the hallways. The ward is full, and everyone is trying to keep up. You hear Code calls, and ventilator machines being rolled up and down the hallway. You notice you cannot smell anything, and you have pain all over. You wonder about your family. Your daughter, the fear in her eyes as her daddy was put into the car. "Why are you leaving Daddy? I'll take care of you..."
Pain.. the fight for air. It's back. You press the button. They roll you back over and check you out. The doctor comes up to your bed. Completely covered, face mask, hood, looks a little like an astronaut. "Sir, you're not getting enough oxygen in your blood. We need to put you on a ventilator." You nod in agreement, gasping. "Sir... You won't be able to talk once we do this. Would you like to say anything to your family? We can arrange a facetime with them if you like.” As your head tries to wrap itself around this offer, one question comes to mind: "How serious is this?" It takes the doc a while to respond, he's done this hundreds of times, but it never gets easy. "Patients that go on a ventilator have a 4 in 10 chance of not recovering. Should we try to reach your family?" You nod... Numb. Your brain can't handle all the info it's getting. The fever, the pain in your chest the struggle for air, it's too much. A nurse comes back in with an iPad. "I have your family online" she tries to say with a smile. You take the Ipad. There they are, all three kids and your wife. Your everything. The look on their faces is a look you've seen before. The brave smiles. The look you give when you feel sorrow and pain, but need to cheer up the person you’re talking too. They are not at home.. It looks like they are outside. You pull in as much air as you can so you can sound somewhat normal. It does not work. "Hey guys, where are you?" Your wife forces another smile. “We're outside your window honey. They put signs out so we know where you are. They can't let us in. We're not supposed to leave the house but we needed to be close to you.” She starts to cry, it's too much for her. That's when it hits you. Clarity, all at once.. You're saying "goodbye.” The next time you hug your family will either be a few weeks from now, or in the hereafter. So this is your last chance to say something. The six year old is shaking, pale with fear. "Hey there nugget.. How you doing?" "Daddy... Please come home... Who will read to me? I miss you so much, please get out of bed.. I'll do anything you want!" You never realized you could cry as hard as you are right now, and it's making the breathing even harder. You know you're scaring her. You cannot stay on much longer. "I'm sorry nugget... I can't get out of bed right now. You take care of your Mama for me okay? I love your everything.” She looks at you through tear soaked eyes.. "I love your everything too.” You can't do it... You can't say goodbye, it's all just too much. The iPad falls in your lap as you struggle to both breathe and cry all at once. An alarm goes off, the Docs surround you and begin to put in the ventilator. Your eyes close for the last time. It's over. It takes years for your family to recover. They lost their rock, and nothing will be the same, ever again... End
I felt compelled to write this to give a perspective to those of us who are more focused on comfort and "getting back to normal.” The above story has played out thousands of times with Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, and children. Families that will grieve for years to come.
it's not about how high the numbers go. It's about that one person.. Your "everything.”
Please... show compassion. Odds are you know somebody that endured something like this. We're in a war right now, and we're losing. It's time to step up and make sure these kids keep their parents.
Thank you... Jay A Kelley 11/16/2020
*copied & pasted

[dewilson58]

:super:

[Taltarzac725]

I only know one person who got Corona Virus in this area of Lynnhaven but do have a neighbor whose son lives very close to where the Villages had its first loss of life due to the Corona Virus. This was in Winifred around April 2020. Her first name was Carol.

[paulajr]

While I feel horrible that this scenario is possible for some...I know MANY people who have had, and recovered from Coronavirus, and all were able to stay in their houses, and have fully recovered. To put out this horrifying post does nothing but continue to terrify those who are already terrified. Stop. Shame on you...

[dewilson58]

While I feel horrible that this scenario is possible for some...I know MANY people who have had, and recovered from Coronavirus, and all were able to stay in their houses, and have fully recovered. To put out this horrifying post does nothing but continue to terrify those who are already terrified. Stop. Shame on you...


Clueless.

[Bill14564]

Clueless.

And what is clueless about it?

The copied scenario ends with, "Odds are you know somebody that endured something like this." If I read the OP's comment correctly, he does not know anyone that endured something like this. Apparently, paluajr does not know anyone that endured something like this. I do not know anyone that endured something like this.

While 260,000+ people endured something like this, over 12,800,000 Covid positive individuals did not. The scenario is true for many but certainly not most - some perspective is needed.

[dewilson58]

And what is clueless about it?

The copied scenario ends with, "Odds are you know somebody that endured something like this." If I read the OP's comment correctly, he does not know anyone that endured something like this. Apparently, paluajr does not know anyone that endured something like this. I do not know anyone that endured something like this.

While 260,000+ people endured something like this, over 12,800,000 Covid positive individuals did not. The scenario is true for many but certainly not most - some perspective is needed.
The original post by Taz was excellent. The response by Ajar was clueless, shaming Taz



DO you understand now??

[Bill14564]

The original post by Taz was excellent. The response by Ajar was clueless, shaming Taz



DO you understand now??

A direct answer to a direct question: I understand, but perhaps not what you would like me to.

[dewilson58]

A direct answer to a direct question: I understand, but perhaps not what you would like me to.
:coolsmiley:

[sail33or]

WW2 men charged Normandy "knowing" 90% would DIE. We live in FEAR of a 99% survivable flu. Shameful. Where the heck is THE GREATEST GENERATION when you need them.

America used to be "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave"
Now it is "Land of the Mask and Home of the Scared".

Scared of a 99% survivable flu.

Oh, one more thing. Early Christians knew if they met, they would be fed to LIONS. Now all churches are afraid of a 99% survivable flu. They close, they issue tickets, FREAKING TICKETS to go to Church.

My mother (who is late 90's) will NOT go see her lifelong friend who has 2 days to live (per Hospice not of Covid) because of the stories you just posted. Late 90's and afraid to Die. Probably because she can't get into church.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Thank you for sharing. It is jarring, yet, there will be a people that still want to go to war with anybody who eithers asks them to wear a mask and social distance, or because the person in the store is wearing a mask. The message needs to be repeated over and over for people to wake up and realize this is not political or a game. Soon there will not be enough healthcare workers to take care of anymore people.

[Taltarzac725]

Coronavirus in The Villages - Latest Updates (https://www.insidethebubble.net/coronavirus/)

This is useful.

[donfey]

How sad, to dwell on this. And how sad for someone who may have suffered such an experience, to be "used" like this.

[bob47]

WW2 men charged Normandy "knowing" 90% would DIE. We live in FEAR of a 99% survivable flu. Shameful. Where the heck is THE GREATEST GENERATION when you need them.

America used to be "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave"
Now it is "Land of the Mask and Home of the Scared".

Scared of a 99% survivable flu.

Oh, one more thing. Early Christians knew if they met, they would be fed to LIONS. Now all churches are afraid of a 99% survivable flu. They close, they issue tickets, FREAKING TICKETS to go to Church.

My mother (who is late 90's) will NOT go see her lifelong friend who has 2 days to live (per Hospice not of Covid) because of the stories you just posted. Late 90's and afraid to Die. Probably because she can't get into church.

We're about 9 months into this, and with the positive news about vaccines, possibly 4 to 6 months from getting significant control over the virus.

Why can't we wear masks, keep respectable distance, and tough it out for a few more months?

[graciegirl]

The death numbers in Sumter County have risen more rapidly this last week than they had in months. There were 85 reported dead from Covid-19 on the first of November and now it says this;

Sumter County cases
Updated Nov 28 at 12:26 PM local
Confirmed
3,412 (altogether since March)
+59 new cases.
Deaths
95
+3 Today.

Typing into my browser the words; Coronavirus Sumter County Florida. Gets me this information every day. Similarly Lake and Marion Counties.

I have stayed away from groups and worn a mask the few times I was in public. Husband still plays golf, 18 holes, four times a week and shops for us.

I don't try to change anyone's mind. We are treasured by our friends and kin and they are treasured by us. We keep ourselves busy and happily occupied.

I am so looking forward to receiving the vaccine.

[coffeebean]

While I feel horrible that this scenario is possible for some...I know MANY people who have had, and recovered from Coronavirus, and all were able to stay in their houses, and have fully recovered. To put out this horrifying post does nothing but continue to terrify those who are already terrified. Stop. Shame on you...

Reality check to those who think this virus is not a concern to them.

[coffeebean]

~~~

[jacksonbrown]

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

See more here (https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19).

[Gpsma]

This is off of Facebook--

Perspective.

Here is the story: You get a fever, and it's a little hard to breathe, but not that bad. Take some tylenol and go to bed. You wake up in the middle of the night to find yourself gasping for air. You reach over to your wife and get her attention. She rolls over, “What's wrong honey? It's the middle of the night.” It's then she can hear you breathing, or trying to. She turns on the light and sees the panic in your eyes... No matter how much you inhale, it's not enough, it's never enough. That would be bad enough but the fever is spiking, it's hard to focus. Your three kids come into the room, they heard Mom talking loud, trying to get your attention. The little girl, 6 years old, you're the center of her universe. She's a daddy's girl and loves it when you take her places with you. "Is Daddy Okay?" Mom tries to hide her panic "He's fine honey, he'll be okay..." She struggles trying to decide if she should drive you to the emergency room or get an ambulance. She decides to drive. You're too out of it to get dressed so she takes you in your pajamas. Once there, they admit you. Your wife cannot go in. You're alone. She is sent to the house to quarantine with the rest of your kids. They start to work on you. You're getting tired, your chest hurts from trying to breathe for so long. Your blood pressure is up. They lower your fever a little and put on an oxygen mask. It seems to help a little, but only for an hour or so. Then your lungs begin to fight for air again. They offer to turn you over on your stomach, "sometimes it helps" they say. They roll you over... It does. You look out the door, Doctors are running everywhere. There are patients in the hallways. The ward is full, and everyone is trying to keep up. You hear Code calls, and ventilator machines being rolled up and down the hallway. You notice you cannot smell anything, and you have pain all over. You wonder about your family. Your daughter, the fear in her eyes as her daddy was put into the car. "Why are you leaving Daddy? I'll take care of you..."
Pain.. the fight for air. It's back. You press the button. They roll you back over and check you out. The doctor comes up to your bed. Completely covered, face mask, hood, looks a little like an astronaut. "Sir, you're not getting enough oxygen in your blood. We need to put you on a ventilator." You nod in agreement, gasping. "Sir... You won't be able to talk once we do this. Would you like to say anything to your family? We can arrange a facetime with them if you like.” As your head tries to wrap itself around this offer, one question comes to mind: "How serious is this?" It takes the doc a while to respond, he's done this hundreds of times, but it never gets easy. "Patients that go on a ventilator have a 4 in 10 chance of not recovering. Should we try to reach your family?" You nod... Numb. Your brain can't handle all the info it's getting. The fever, the pain in your chest the struggle for air, it's too much. A nurse comes back in with an iPad. "I have your family online" she tries to say with a smile. You take the Ipad. There they are, all three kids and your wife. Your everything. The look on their faces is a look you've seen before. The brave smiles. The look you give when you feel sorrow and pain, but need to cheer up the person you’re talking too. They are not at home.. It looks like they are outside. You pull in as much air as you can so you can sound somewhat normal. It does not work. "Hey guys, where are you?" Your wife forces another smile. “We're outside your window honey. They put signs out so we know where you are. They can't let us in. We're not supposed to leave the house but we needed to be close to you.” She starts to cry, it's too much for her. That's when it hits you. Clarity, all at once.. You're saying "goodbye.” The next time you hug your family will either be a few weeks from now, or in the hereafter. So this is your last chance to say something. The six year old is shaking, pale with fear. "Hey there nugget.. How you doing?" "Daddy... Please come home... Who will read to me? I miss you so much, please get out of bed.. I'll do anything you want!" You never realized you could cry as hard as you are right now, and it's making the breathing even harder. You know you're scaring her. You cannot stay on much longer. "I'm sorry nugget... I can't get out of bed right now. You take care of your Mama for me okay? I love your everything.” She looks at you through tear soaked eyes.. "I love your everything too.” You can't do it... You can't say goodbye, it's all just too much. The iPad falls in your lap as you struggle to both breathe and cry all at once. An alarm goes off, the Docs surround you and begin to put in the ventilator. Your eyes close for the last time. It's over. It takes years for your family to recover. They lost their rock, and nothing will be the same, ever again... End
I felt compelled to write this to give a perspective to those of us who are more focused on comfort and "getting back to normal.” The above story has played out thousands of times with Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, and children. Families that will grieve for years to come.
it's not about how high the numbers go. It's about that one person.. Your "everything.”
Please... show compassion. Odds are you know somebody that endured something like this. We're in a war right now, and we're losing. It's time to step up and make sure these kids keep their parents.
Thank you... Jay A Kelley 11/16/2020
*copied & pasted

Keep Mongering that Fear. Most recover and didnt even know they had it.

[Byte1]

Hey, I have an idea. Everyone age 60+ wear a mask for the rest of their lives and the death rate in America will be lowered. After all, it will save you from all contagious diseases. And then the youth of today can also complain about how we are using up all their Social Security funds, ha,ha.
Quit trying to shame folks into doing what you want them to do, just because you think you know all there is to know about safely suviving the virus. No one is saying they do not feel that masks have some value. But, each mask has a different amount of safety value, so what are you going to do? Are you going to look around you and see everyone wearing a mask and then declare that everyone has to purchase a certain type like you are wearing? Are you going to demand everyone wear gloves and face shield? Because medical personnel are, as well as disposable over garments. Mind you own business and allow others to make their own mistakes. You have no excuse for catching the virus, if it is YOU that mingles with those that you condemn as being careless. Because it is you that know it all, that is being careless. No one even knows enough about the virus in such a short time period to qualify as an expert, especially folks on here. No two doctors agree on anything related to the virus.
Folks die in the Villages, but I have heard less ambulances running past my neighborhood than before the virus. I am going to go out on the limb here and suggest that there are no more folks dying than last year or the year before. If so, then the idea that all the deaths are COVID related is an over-statement. I will also suggest that if almost all of the posters on here were tested, most of them would test positive and others would test positive at other points this year. More testing equates to more positives. And the argument goes on and on and on.
Yes, wear a mask and wash your hands. Stay away from people and quit hugging them. Everyone does NOT need a hug, believe it or not. Then, give us an excuse for how you tested positive for the virus when you decide to get tested. And for the rest of you that do not wish to conform to the hysteria, live your life and enjoy it. Arguing with those that have made up their mind is a wasted effort. Let the busy bodies have their day, and just ignore them and live your life the way our Founders intended it -----Free. It is no one else's responsibility to protect you. Be responsible and take care of yourself. Quit being so weak.

PS: And to the guy that stole my parking place when I was attempting to maneuver into it on Wed, be glad that it was me and not someone else that had less patience. And be glad that I was in a festive mood and did not give you a counseling session.

[paulajr]

Reality check to those who think this virus is not a concern to them.

I don’t know ANYONE who doesn’t think the virus is a concern to them. But to publish a “story” like this ..just to frighten those who are already frightened...that is “clueless”...not me.

[Taltarzac725]

Coronavirus: What is it and how can I protect myself? - Mayo Clinic (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/novel-coronavirus/faq-20478727)

Try researching reliable sources. This virus is very serious.

[graciegirl]

This is from IPSOS the worlds third largest market research company. snipped


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Washington, DC, October 27, 2020 – A new Ipsos poll shows that most Americans are concerned about a spike in COVID-19 cases in their area during the holiday season. Regarding Thanksgiving plans, over half plan to celebrate with just immediate family. Just one in ten are traveling to see family and friends, with the majority saying they will quarantine for at least a week before traveling. The most common adaptations for Thanksgiving this year are having a smaller gathering and not seeing family or friends that one normally would see. Nonetheless, a third do not plan to make any adjustment.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This is from IPSOS the worlds third largest market research company. snipped


Oh for the love of Mike.

I do those IPSOS surveys for points toward gift cards every day. They are a third-party survey company. They will create surveys to benefit whoever pays them. The people they survey are ONLY the people those companies that pay them, want to take the surveys.

In other words - if a mask manufacturer pays them to run a survey on "COVID concern" the survey will look something like this:

Looking ONLY for college-educated, working, married women whose school-age children attend public school.

Questions: age, gender, how many people under 18 live at home, how many (including yourself) over 18 live at home, your education, your income level.

If you answer just those initial questions in a way that doesn't fit what they're looking for, you're disqualified and can't continue the survey at all. Of COURSE the majority of people who DO fit that criteria, have a vested interest in the health and safety of their families, more than people whose families are already fully grown, or who are too young to be parents, or who have chosen not to be parents.

Just because you see it on the internet, doesn't mean it's reliable. Or that it'll give you any valid answers at all. Or that the results will be anything OTHER than "whatever the company that hired me, paid me to tell you"

[graciegirl]

Oh for the love of Mike.

I do those IPSOS surveys for points toward gift cards every day. They are a third-party survey company. They will create surveys to benefit whoever pays them. The people they survey are ONLY the people those companies that pay them, want to take the surveys.

In other words - if a mask manufacturer pays them to run a survey on "COVID concern" the survey will look something like this:

Looking ONLY for college-educated, working, married women whose school-age children attend public school.

Questions: age, gender, how many people under 18 live at home, how many (including yourself) over 18 live at home, your education, your income level.

If you answer just those initial questions in a way that doesn't fit what they're looking for, you're disqualified and can't continue the survey at all. Of COURSE the majority of people who DO fit that criteria, have a vested interest in the health and safety of their families, more than people whose families are already fully grown, or who are too young to be parents, or who have chosen not to be parents.

Just because you see it on the internet, doesn't mean it's reliable. Or that it'll give you any valid answers at all. Or that the results will be anything OTHER than "whatever the company that hired me, paid me to tell you"

Thank you for this. I really thought it was credible. When you say "Just because you see it on the internet , doesn't mean it's reliable" to me it hurts and embarrasses me.

Here is Gallup's latest findings that about half of Americans do not want to be directed to shut down.
Americans Less Amenable to Another COVID-19 Lockdown (https://news.gallup.com/poll/324146/americans-less-amenable-covid-lockdown.aspx)

I/we have the luxury of choice and coupled with the danger because of our age we remain careful, wearing masks and avoiding crowds, but we aren't afraid or paranoid.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Thank you for this. I really thought it was credible. I will go and bring back one that says that 70% of people who live in U.S. are concerned about the virus. I have read several. I honestly thought this was a valid study.

It might be valid. or it might not be valid. The point, is what I already stated, that you even quoted:

Just because you see it on the internet, doesn't mean it's reliable. Or that it'll give you any valid answers at all. Or that the results will be anything OTHER than "whatever the company that hired me, paid me to tell you"

[Bill14564]

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

See more here (https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19).

Interesting. The jhunewsletter article claims a steady 62K deaths per week from 2/1 through 9/5. This CDC MMWR report (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm) shows the graph we've seen all along with excess deaths (>62K) beginning near the week ending 3/28, peaking at 80K the week of 4/11, and continuing through September.

How can these to datasets be so different and which one is correct?

[graciegirl]

It might be valid. or it might not be valid. The point, is what I already stated, that you even quoted:

Here is Gallup's latest findings that about half of Americans do not want to be directed to shut down.


Americans Less Amenable to Another COVID-19 Lockdown (https://news.gallup.com/poll/324146/americans-less-amenable-covid-lockdown.aspx)

[Gulfcoast]

While I feel horrible that this scenario is possible for some...I know MANY people who have had, and recovered from Coronavirus, and all were able to stay in their houses, and have fully recovered. To put out this horrifying post does nothing but continue to terrify those who are already terrified. Stop. Shame on you...

I tend to agree. Most people have mild symptoms and recover fine at home.

The flu also kills people every year and, sadly, people die from terrible infections caused by cuts and scrapes that most people would never have an issue with. I've heard of people getting blood poisoning and sepsis from a hangnail. Life can be so random.

Dwelling on worse case scenarios really tends to suck the joy out of life.

[graciegirl]

I tend to agree. Most people have mild symptoms and recover fine at home.

The flu also kills people every year and, sadly, people die from terrible infections caused by cuts and scrapes that most people would never have an issue with. I've heard of people getting blood poisoning and sepsis from a hangnail. Life can be so random.

Dwelling on worse case scenarios really tends to suck the joy out of life.


Covid-19 is not so dangerous to younger people. Older ones are more at risk of dying. The Villages is a community for people over 55. This is the forum from that community. The median age is about 70 of folks living here.

[tophcfa]

Covid-19 is not so dangerous to younger people. Older ones are more at risk of dying. The Villages is a community for people over 55. This is the forum from that community. The median age is about 70 of folks living here.

And many like to quote the 99% survival rate as a reason we shouldn't worry about the virus and take necessary precautions. The 99% survival rate is for the general population. When the survival rate is broken down by age groups, the statistics tell a different story than lumping all cases together. Statistics can be easily manipulated to lead to the outcome one wants to get. Or they can be carefully examined and used correctly to get a much more significant conclusion.

[Gulfcoast]

Covid-19 is not so dangerous to younger people. Older ones are more at risk of dying. The Villages is a community for people over 55. This is the forum from that community. The median age is about 70 of folks living here.

My husband and I are in the 55+ age range which is why we're looking at TV. I realize that the risk of complications from Covid get higher with age and the severity of individual health issues. I'm just a glass half full sort of person and I guess that I lean towards being a bit of an optimist.

[eweissenbach]

Thank you for the touching story Tal. I had a friend recently die from COVID-19. He was a strong healthy 56 year old before succumbing to this disease. You can quote all the statistics you like and talk about people who died from complications of a hangnail, but the fact is this is a dangerous virus that should be treated seriously. Some talk about the death rate being less than 1% as though that is trivial, well for the ones that die and their families and their friends it is far from trivial. The cavalier attitude,and lack of empathy by some people is appalling.

[Gulfcoast]

Thank you for the touching story Tal. I had a friend recently die from COVID-19. He was a strong healthy 56 year old before succumbing to this disease. You can quote all the statistics you like and talk about people who died from complications of a hangnail, but the fact is this is a dangerous virus that should be treated seriously. Some talk about the death rate being less than 1% as though that is trivial, well for the ones that die and their families and their friends it is far from trivial. The cavalier attitude,and lack of empathy by some people is appalling.

I think we simply have different personalities and different ways of assessing risks.

I will ask you to defer to the experts on this one. The WHO has stated that shutdowns have been catastrophic to communities, sending people into despair and poverty. The WHO does not recommend shutdowns saying that they do far more harm than good. The CDC has stated that children are safer in school and that they should be receiving face to face instruction. I look at this information and, to me, that means that we need to stop worrying so much about things that are really beyond our control. Medical doctors are saying that we need to keep working and sending our kids to school or risk catastrophic and irreversible damage to our communities.

Wear a mask, maintain good social distance but realize that the people eating out at restaurants, shopping at the stores, taking fitness classes at the gyms, attending schools are helping to keep our communities thriving, too. We need to stop second guessing each other and work on mitigating our own risks as necessary.

[jswirs]

So many people are already scared and afraid. Your post will not encourage anyone to wear mask, etc. Your post will not change anyone's mind about the virus. The only result will be changing those who are already scared into those who are now terrified.

[Skunky1]

Well “paulajr” If you get it you’ll know what to expect now!

[Skunky1]

Let the natural selection continue.

[Scott O]

WW2 men charged Normandy "knowing" 90% would DIE. We live in FEAR of a 99% survivable flu. Shameful. Where the heck is THE GREATEST GENERATION when you need them.

America used to be "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave"
Now it is "Land of the Mask and Home of the Scared".

Scared of a 99% survivable flu.

Oh, one more thing. Early Christians knew if they met, they would be fed to LIONS. Now all churches are afraid of a 99% survivable flu. They close, they issue tickets, FREAKING TICKETS to go to Church.

My mother (who is late 90's) will NOT go see her lifelong friend who has 2 days to live (per Hospice not of Covid) because of the stories you just posted. Late 90's and afraid to Die. Probably because she can't get into church.
Thank you for someone with some common sense and reality...

[tsmall22204]

Why do people feel a need for such long posts? If you.canr say it in a couple sentences then it is probably not worth saying.

[Scott O]

Hey, I have an idea. Everyone age 60+ wear a mask for the rest of their lives and the death rate in America will be lowered. After all, it will save you from all contagious diseases. And then the youth of today can also complain about how we are using up all their Social Security funds, ha,ha.
Quit trying to shame folks into doing what you want them to do, just because you think you know all there is to know about safely suviving the virus. No one is saying they do not feel that masks have some value. But, each mask has a different amount of safety value, so what are you going to do? Are you going to look around you and see everyone wearing a mask and then declare that everyone has to purchase a certain type like you are wearing? Are you going to demand everyone wear gloves and face shield? Because medical personnel are, as well as disposable over garments. Mind you own business and allow others to make their own mistakes. You have no excuse for catching the virus, if it is YOU that mingles with those that you condemn as being careless. Because it is you that know it all, that is being careless. No one even knows enough about the virus in such a short time period to qualify as an expert, especially folks on here. No two doctors agree on anything related to the virus.
Folks die in the Villages, but I have heard less ambulances running past my neighborhood than before the virus. I am going to go out on the limb here and suggest that there are no more folks dying than last year or the year before. If so, then the idea that all the deaths are COVID related is an over-statement. I will also suggest that if almost all of the posters on here were tested, most of them would test positive and others would test positive at other points this year. More testing equates to more positives. And the argument goes on and on and on.
Yes, wear a mask and wash your hands. Stay away from people and quit hugging them. Everyone does NOT need a hug, believe it or not. Then, give us an excuse for how you tested positive for the virus when you decide to get tested. And for the rest of you that do not wish to conform to the hysteria, live your life and enjoy it. Arguing with those that have made up their mind is a wasted effort. Let the busy bodies have their day, and just ignore them and live your life the way our Founders intended it -----Free. It is no one else's responsibility to protect you. Be responsible and take care of yourself. Quit being so weak.

PS: And to the guy that stole my parking place when I was attempting to maneuver into it on Wed, be glad that it was me and not someone else that had less patience. And be glad that I was in a festive mood and did not give you a counseling session.
Bravo, couldn’t have said it better! The daily Covid, CCP virus update on here just continues, over and over and over...everyone believes they are now the Covid Czars and needs to school everyone to accept their rationale. They need to turn off their TV and go live their lives....

[nancymiller217@yahoo.com]

Or how about an article warning you to remember a horrific car crash before you get behind the wheel? Or that you could be sitting on your couch and a meteoroid could crash through your roof?

For real perspective, how about discussing the vast majority of cases that recover fully?

Always selecting the worst case scenario is the hallmark of fear mongering.

[FromNY]

While I feel horrible that this scenario is possible for some...I know MANY people who have had, and recovered from Coronavirus, and all were able to stay in their houses, and have fully recovered. To put out this horrifying post does nothing but continue to terrify those who are already terrified. Stop. Shame on you...
Shame!!!! Go work in an ICU, go be the one to hold the IPad so a loved one says goodbye. Yes many survive others will have long term disabilities. But to say shame on you for sharing reality! That is just cruel.

[FromNY]

I don’t know ANYONE who doesn’t think the virus is a concern to them. But to publish a “story” like this ..just to frighten those who are already frightened...that is “clueless”...not me.
Gee. What are your thoughts on The Holocaust?

[Miguel 1952]

In our own family we suffered a tragic death due to Covid. My brother-in-law died four months ago of Covid. He called 911 and was taken to the hospital. After a few days he was put on a ventilator as his oxygen was very low. We did get to "visit" with him by Zoom; very sad for all of us. He died two weeks after this. His wife also had Covid, but was able to stay at home and recovered. We are all seniors.
I can't wait to get vaccinated.

[dboyd29]

Holocaust? What does the Holocaust have to do with the China virus? Anyway the original story was a good one now do a story of people who have lost loved ones through depression, suicide & drug addiction. Now do a story of people who have lost their life saving because their business was shut down by the government. Do a story about how kids can’t read, write or do basic math b/c they can’t go to school. Where is your compassion for these people?

[Alaska Butch]

One in a million cases? Stats please. Not just woke heartstring “feel good” for this guy.

[milling73]

[QUOTE=Taltarzac725;1866956is off of Facebook--

We have ALL heard the horror stories for months. We have ALL seen the news clips, we have ALL watched the fall shows like The Good Doctor with its over dramatized, fear inducing tear jerker, “this is what happens if you get it”.

ENOUGH ALREADY. Find something else to post about, or find positive news - like yes positive numbers are still increasing but fewer are hospitalized or on a ventilator or dying either due to treatment or changes in the virus itself. Vaccines will be made and soon available - that will be effective.

So instead of posting the death fear - “if you get it, you die” which is also so very NOT true ... spread hope.

That alone will help far more in this battle.

[Andyb]

Be careful with Facebook, they spread fear. I quit Facebook.

[MandoMan]

This is off of Facebook--

Perspective.

Here is the story: You get a fever, and it's a little hard to breathe, but not that bad. Take some tylenol and go to bed. You wake up in the middle of the night to find yourself gasping for air. You reach over to your wife and get her attention. She rolls over, “What's wrong honey? It's the middle of the night.” It's then she can hear you breathing, or trying to. She turns on the light and sees the panic in your eyes... No matter how much you inhale, it's not enough, it's never enough. That would be bad enough but the fever is spiking, it's hard to focus. Your three kids come into the room, they heard Mom talking loud, trying to get your attention. The little girl, 6 years old, you're the center of her universe. She's a daddy's girl and loves it when you take her places with you. "Is Daddy Okay?" Mom tries to hide her panic "He's fine honey, he'll be okay..." She struggles trying to decide if she should drive you to the emergency room or get an ambulance. She decides to drive. You're too out of it to get dressed so she takes you in your pajamas. Once there, they admit you. Your wife cannot go in. You're alone. She is sent to the house to quarantine with the rest of your kids. They start to work on you. You're getting tired, your chest hurts from trying to breathe for so long. Your blood pressure is up. They lower your fever a little and put on an oxygen mask. It seems to help a little, but only for an hour or so. Then your lungs begin to fight for air again. They offer to turn you over on your stomach, "sometimes it helps" they say. They roll you over... It does. You look out the door, Doctors are running everywhere. There are patients in the hallways. The ward is full, and everyone is trying to keep up. You hear Code calls, and ventilator machines being rolled up and down the hallway. You notice you cannot smell anything, and you have pain all over. You wonder about your family. Your daughter, the fear in her eyes as her daddy was put into the car. "Why are you leaving Daddy? I'll take care of you..."
Pain.. the fight for air. It's back. You press the button. They roll you back over and check you out. The doctor comes up to your bed. Completely covered, face mask, hood, looks a little like an astronaut. "Sir, you're not getting enough oxygen in your blood. We need to put you on a ventilator." You nod in agreement, gasping. "Sir... You won't be able to talk once we do this. Would you like to say anything to your family? We can arrange a facetime with them if you like.” As your head tries to wrap itself around this offer, one question comes to mind: "How serious is this?" It takes the doc a while to respond, he's done this hundreds of times, but it never gets easy. "Patients that go on a ventilator have a 4 in 10 chance of not recovering. Should we try to reach your family?" You nod... Numb. Your brain can't handle all the info it's getting. The fever, the pain in your chest the struggle for air, it's too much. A nurse comes back in with an iPad. "I have your family online" she tries to say with a smile. You take the Ipad. There they are, all three kids and your wife. Your everything. The look on their faces is a look you've seen before. The brave smiles. The look you give when you feel sorrow and pain, but need to cheer up the person you’re talking too. They are not at home.. It looks like they are outside. You pull in as much air as you can so you can sound somewhat normal. It does not work. "Hey guys, where are you?" Your wife forces another smile. “We're outside your window honey. They put signs out so we know where you are. They can't let us in. We're not supposed to leave the house but we needed to be close to you.” She starts to cry, it's too much for her. That's when it hits you. Clarity, all at once.. You're saying "goodbye.” The next time you hug your family will either be a few weeks from now, or in the hereafter. So this is your last chance to say something. The six year old is shaking, pale with fear. "Hey there nugget.. How you doing?" "Daddy... Please come home... Who will read to me? I miss you so much, please get out of bed.. I'll do anything you want!" You never realized you could cry as hard as you are right now, and it's making the breathing even harder. You know you're scaring her. You cannot stay on much longer. "I'm sorry nugget... I can't get out of bed right now. You take care of your Mama for me okay? I love your everything.” She looks at you through tear soaked eyes.. "I love your everything too.” You can't do it... You can't say goodbye, it's all just too much. The iPad falls in your lap as you struggle to both breathe and cry all at once. An alarm goes off, the Docs surround you and begin to put in the ventilator. Your eyes close for the last time. It's over. It takes years for your family to recover. They lost their rock, and nothing will be the same, ever again... End
I felt compelled to write this to give a perspective to those of us who are more focused on comfort and "getting back to normal.” The above story has played out thousands of times with Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, and children. Families that will grieve for years to come.
it's not about how high the numbers go. It's about that one person.. Your "everything.”
Please... show compassion. Odds are you know somebody that endured something like this. We're in a war right now, and we're losing. It's time to step up and make sure these kids keep their parents.
Thank you... Jay A Kelley 11/16/2020
*copied & pasted

That’s how my girlfriend’s father died a few months ago, in Florida. Her mother survived, barely, unexpectedly. It was very hard listening or watching as they struggled to hold on another day, another hour, another breath. It was very hard listening to Mike’s last words, “Take care of your mother,” before the nurse took off his oxygen and injected a sedative to relax him as he died from lack of air. It happens all the time, all over the world, and Mike probably would have died in a year anyway, but it was still heartbreaking.

[Swoop]

The title of the post is Putting the Coronavirus into perspective. Let’s do that. Corona will be listed as the cause of death of of fewer than 300,000 Americans in 2020. Most of those, according to the CDC had one or more pre existing condition. In fact, to date, only 15,000 Covid deaths did not list another underlying condition. Every year over 600,000 Americans die from cancer. I can post heart wrenching story after heart wrenching story about someone’s battle with cancer. Would that help put “Cancer into perspective”?

[Girlcopper]

While I feel horrible that this scenario is possible for some...I know MANY people who have had, and recovered from Coronavirus, and all were able to stay in their houses, and have fully recovered. To put out this horrifying post does nothing but continue to terrify those who are already terrified. Stop. Shame on you...
Agree. We all know there are severe cases and mild cases and positive tests with no symptoms. Why hype this thing up more than it already is? We all know by now the symptoms. If nervous? Stay home! If you want to stop your life? Stay home! If you want to live each day to the fullest? Take precautions and move on. Geez. That article was ridiculous

[Jazzman]

I think we simply have different personalities and different ways of assessing risks.

I will ask you to defer to the experts on this one. The WHO has stated that shutdowns have been catastrophic to communities, sending people into despair and poverty. The WHO does not recommend shutdowns saying that they do far more harm than good. The CDC has stated that children are safer in school and that they should be receiving face to face instruction. I look at this information and, to me, that means that we need to stop worrying so much about things that are really beyond our control. Medical doctors are saying that we need to keep working and sending our kids to school or risk catastrophic and irreversible damage to our communities.

Wear a mask, maintain good social distance but realize that the people eating out at restaurants, shopping at the stores, taking fitness classes at the gyms, attending schools are helping to keep our communities thriving, too. We need to stop second guessing each other and work on mitigating our own risks as necessary.

👍👍👍👍

[oneclickplus]

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

See more here (https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19).

Wow - this is really interesting. It shows emphatically that "increase" in COVID deaths exists simultaneously with vast "decreases" in deaths from other causes. Conclusion: overall deaths not up at all. Most deaths classified as COVID are clearly "died with covid" - not "died from covid".

[lkagele]

The title of the post is Putting the Coronavirus into perspective. Let’s do that. Corona will be listed as the cause of death of of fewer than 300,000 Americans in 2020. Most of those, according to the CDC had one or more pre existing condition. In fact, to date, only 15,000 Covid deaths did not list another underlying condition. Every year over 600,000 Americans die from cancer. I can post heart wrenching story after heart wrenching story about someone’s battle with cancer. Would that help put “Cancer into perspective”?

Exactly. And if you look at the overall deaths in the US in 2020 vs 2019, the numbers are basically the same. The fear mongering is nothing more than a diversion. They want us to focus on the left hand so we don't see what the right hand is doing.

[Jazzman]

The title of the post is Putting the Coronavirus into perspective. Let’s do that. Corona will be listed as the cause of death of of fewer than 300,000 Americans in 2020. Most of those, according to the CDC had one or more pre existing condition. In fact, to date, only 15,000 Covid deaths did not list another underlying condition. Every year over 600,000 Americans die from cancer. I can post heart wrenching story after heart wrenching story about someone’s battle with cancer. Would that help put “Cancer into perspective”?

Per the CDC, over 7,000,000 people die in the US each year. Never mentioned in the media and everyone just moves on oblivious to that fact. Unfortunately, the media on a daily basis keeps focusing on the numbers that will get them the most clicks. Funny you don’t hear about the percentage of deaths from COVID as the reason is the rate is substantially lower than in the late winter early spring. And to post something from Facebook, well......

[merrymini]

Anyone posting long rants gives themselves more importance than they deserve.
I will not read rants over 5 lines long. A waste of my time.
Grow up.

[OhioBuckeye]

This is off of Facebook--

Perspective.

Here is the story: You get a fever, and it's a little hard to breathe, but not that bad. Take some tylenol and go to bed. You wake up in the middle of the night to find yourself gasping for air. You reach over to your wife and get her attention. She rolls over, “What's wrong honey? It's the middle of the night.” It's then she can hear you breathing, or trying to. She turns on the light and sees the panic in your eyes... No matter how much you inhale, it's not enough, it's never enough. That would be bad enough but the fever is spiking, it's hard to focus. Your three kids come into the room, they heard Mom talking loud, trying to get your attention. The little girl, 6 years old, you're the center of her universe. She's a daddy's girl and loves it when you take her places with you. "Is Daddy Okay?" Mom tries to hide her panic "He's fine honey, he'll be okay..." She struggles trying to decide if she should drive you to the emergency room or get an ambulance. She decides to drive. You're too out of it to get dressed so she takes you in your pajamas. Once there, they admit you. Your wife cannot go in. You're alone. She is sent to the house to quarantine with the rest of your kids. They start to work on you. You're getting tired, your chest hurts from trying to breathe for so long. Your blood pressure is up. They lower your fever a little and put on an oxygen mask. It seems to help a little, but only for an hour or so. Then your lungs begin to fight for air again. They offer to turn you over on your stomach, "sometimes it helps" they say. They roll you over... It does. You look out the door, Doctors are running everywhere. There are patients in the hallways. The ward is full, and everyone is trying to keep up. You hear Code calls, and ventilator machines being rolled up and down the hallway. You notice you cannot smell anything, and you have pain all over. You wonder about your family. Your daughter, the fear in her eyes as her daddy was put into the car. "Why are you leaving Daddy? I'll take care of you..."
Pain.. the fight for air. It's back. You press the button. They roll you back over and check you out. The doctor comes up to your bed. Completely covered, face mask, hood, looks a little like an astronaut. "Sir, you're not getting enough oxygen in your blood. We need to put you on a ventilator." You nod in agreement, gasping. "Sir... You won't be able to talk once we do this. Would you like to say anything to your family? We can arrange a facetime with them if you like.” As your head tries to wrap itself around this offer, one question comes to mind: "How serious is this?" It takes the doc a while to respond, he's done this hundreds of times, but it never gets easy. "Patients that go on a ventilator have a 4 in 10 chance of not recovering. Should we try to reach your family?" You nod... Numb. Your brain can't handle all the info it's getting. The fever, the pain in your chest the struggle for air, it's too much. A nurse comes back in with an iPad. "I have your family online" she tries to say with a smile. You take the Ipad. There they are, all three kids and your wife. Your everything. The look on their faces is a look you've seen before. The brave smiles. The look you give when you feel sorrow and pain, but need to cheer up the person you’re talking too. They are not at home.. It looks like they are outside. You pull in as much air as you can so you can sound somewhat normal. It does not work. "Hey guys, where are you?" Your wife forces another smile. “We're outside your window honey. They put signs out so we know where you are. They can't let us in. We're not supposed to leave the house but we needed to be close to you.” She starts to cry, it's too much for her. That's when it hits you. Clarity, all at once.. You're saying "goodbye.” The next time you hug your family will either be a few weeks from now, or in the hereafter. So this is your last chance to say something. The six year old is shaking, pale with fear. "Hey there nugget.. How you doing?" "Daddy... Please come home... Who will read to me? I miss you so much, please get out of bed.. I'll do anything you want!" You never realized you could cry as hard as you are right now, and it's making the breathing even harder. You know you're scaring her. You cannot stay on much longer. "I'm sorry nugget... I can't get out of bed right now. You take care of your Mama for me okay? I love your everything.” She looks at you through tear soaked eyes.. "I love your everything too.” You can't do it... You can't say goodbye, it's all just too much. The iPad falls in your lap as you struggle to both breathe and cry all at once. An alarm goes off, the Docs surround you and begin to put in the ventilator. Your eyes close for the last time. It's over. It takes years for your family to recover. They lost their rock, and nothing will be the same, ever again... End
I felt compelled to write this to give a perspective to those of us who are more focused on comfort and "getting back to normal.” The above story has played out thousands of times with Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, and children. Families that will grieve for years to come.
it's not about how high the numbers go. It's about that one person.. Your "everything.”
Please... show compassion. Odds are you know somebody that endured something like this. We're in a war right now, and we're losing. It's time to step up and make sure these kids keep their parents.
Thank you... Jay A Kelley 11/16/2020
*copied & pasted

To me some people treat & take safety with a grain of salt, they take mask & safe distant a waste of time others are very serious about Covid19. Me personally I take it serious, people that don’t wear mask I want them to stay the hell away from me, I don’t want to re-breath their air a 2nd time. So if they don’t want to take safety serious, go for it. Sorry I don’t care for a lot of Facebook’s advice. I understand you still could get Covid19 even if you do take all the precautions. But I’ll take my chances & take precautions!

[crash]

WW2 men charged Normandy "knowing" 90% would DIE. We live in FEAR of a 99% survivable flu. Shameful. Where the heck is THE GREATEST GENERATION when you need them.

America used to be "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave"
Now it is "Land of the Mask and Home of the Scared".

Scared of a 99% survivable flu.

Oh, one more thing. Early Christians knew if they met, they would be fed to LIONS. Now all churches are afraid of a 99% survivable flu. They close, they issue tickets, FREAKING TICKETS to go to Church.

My mother (who is late 90's) will NOT go see her lifelong friend who has 2 days to live (per Hospice not of Covid) because of the stories you just posted. Late 90's and afraid to Die. Probably because she can't get into church.

1% of the U.S. is 3.35 million people does that scare you. Try to do the simple thing like wear a mask and social distance until the vaccine is widely available to keep the numbers down.

[DonnaNi4os]

The death numbers in Sumter County have risen more rapidly this last week than they had in months. There were 85 reported dead from Covid-19 on the first of November and now it says this;

Sumter County cases
Updated Nov 28 at 12:26 PM local
Confirmed
3,412 (altogether since March)
+59 new cases.
Deaths
95
+3 Today.

Typing into my browser the words; Coronavirus Sumter County Florida. Gets me this information every day. Similarly Lake and Marion Counties.

I have stayed away from groups and worn a mask the few times I was in public. Husband still plays golf, 18 holes, four times a week and shops for us.

I don't try to change anyone's mind. We are treasured by our friends and kin and they are treasured by us. We keep ourselves busy and happily occupied.

I am so looking forward to receiving the vaccine.

Thank you for being the voice of reason. Everyone must do what is right for themselves without criticism of those who choose not to take precautions. Like you, I am alarmed at the increases in the number of deaths in our area so I will continue to take every precaution I need to take for myself and for those who love me. Stay safe.

[ts12755]

Stop the fear... millions die every year in America before their time. 700,000 babies are aborted each year.

[Mardarlowe]

This post makes a good bit of sense. I'm against the political mask thing but 4 to 6 months of wearing one might make everyone happy. What the heck. I will do it 4 months.

[Eg_cruz]

The original post by Taz was excellent. The response by Ajar was clueless, shaming Taz



DO you understand now??
Sorry I don’t agree. There is a much much much higher rate that this scenario will not play out this way. In fact it gets less and less everyday. So trying to put the fear into people help nothing. Better would be posting here’s what you really need to know......things like “when do you need to go to the hospital vs staying home” that was big for my family. The other would be “how are the treating the virus today not April but today” maybe even do “what are you doing to boost your immune system”. Answering this questions will help all of us without trying to scare you into a lock down

[Eg_cruz]

This is off of Facebook--

Perspective.

Here is the story: You get a fever, and it's a little hard to breathe, but not that bad. Take some tylenol and go to bed. You wake up in the middle of the night to find yourself gasping for air. You reach over to your wife and get her attention. She rolls over, “What's wrong honey? It's the middle of the night.” It's then she can hear you breathing, or trying to. She turns on the light and sees the panic in your eyes... No matter how much you inhale, it's not enough, it's never enough. That would be bad enough but the fever is spiking, it's hard to focus. Your three kids come into the room, they heard Mom talking loud, trying to get your attention. The little girl, 6 years old, you're the center of her universe. She's a daddy's girl and loves it when you take her places with you. "Is Daddy Okay?" Mom tries to hide her panic "He's fine honey, he'll be okay..." She struggles trying to decide if she should drive you to the emergency room or get an ambulance. She decides to drive. You're too out of it to get dressed so she takes you in your pajamas. Once there, they admit you. Your wife cannot go in. You're alone. She is sent to the house to quarantine with the rest of your kids. They start to work on you. You're getting tired, your chest hurts from trying to breathe for so long. Your blood pressure is up. They lower your fever a little and put on an oxygen mask. It seems to help a little, but only for an hour or so. Then your lungs begin to fight for air again. They offer to turn you over on your stomach, "sometimes it helps" they say. They roll you over... It does. You look out the door, Doctors are running everywhere. There are patients in the hallways. The ward is full, and everyone is trying to keep up. You hear Code calls, and ventilator machines being rolled up and down the hallway. You notice you cannot smell anything, and you have pain all over. You wonder about your family. Your daughter, the fear in her eyes as her daddy was put into the car. "Why are you leaving Daddy? I'll take care of you..."
Pain.. the fight for air. It's back. You press the button. They roll you back over and check you out. The doctor comes up to your bed. Completely covered, face mask, hood, looks a little like an astronaut. "Sir, you're not getting enough oxygen in your blood. We need to put you on a ventilator." You nod in agreement, gasping. "Sir... You won't be able to talk once we do this. Would you like to say anything to your family? We can arrange a facetime with them if you like.” As your head tries to wrap itself around this offer, one question comes to mind: "How serious is this?" It takes the doc a while to respond, he's done this hundreds of times, but it never gets easy. "Patients that go on a ventilator have a 4 in 10 chance of not recovering. Should we try to reach your family?" You nod... Numb. Your brain can't handle all the info it's getting. The fever, the pain in your chest the struggle for air, it's too much. A nurse comes back in with an iPad. "I have your family online" she tries to say with a smile. You take the Ipad. There they are, all three kids and your wife. Your everything. The look on their faces is a look you've seen before. The brave smiles. The look you give when you feel sorrow and pain, but need to cheer up the person you’re talking too. They are not at home.. It looks like they are outside. You pull in as much air as you can so you can sound somewhat normal. It does not work. "Hey guys, where are you?" Your wife forces another smile. “We're outside your window honey. They put signs out so we know where you are. They can't let us in. We're not supposed to leave the house but we needed to be close to you.” She starts to cry, it's too much for her. That's when it hits you. Clarity, all at once.. You're saying "goodbye.” The next time you hug your family will either be a few weeks from now, or in the hereafter. So this is your last chance to say something. The six year old is shaking, pale with fear. "Hey there nugget.. How you doing?" "Daddy... Please come home... Who will read to me? I miss you so much, please get out of bed.. I'll do anything you want!" You never realized you could cry as hard as you are right now, and it's making the breathing even harder. You know you're scaring her. You cannot stay on much longer. "I'm sorry nugget... I can't get out of bed right now. You take care of your Mama for me okay? I love your everything.” She looks at you through tear soaked eyes.. "I love your everything too.” You can't do it... You can't say goodbye, it's all just too much. The iPad falls in your lap as you struggle to both breathe and cry all at once. An alarm goes off, the Docs surround you and begin to put in the ventilator. Your eyes close for the last time. It's over. It takes years for your family to recover. They lost their rock, and nothing will be the same, ever again... End
I felt compelled to write this to give a perspective to those of us who are more focused on comfort and "getting back to normal.” The above story has played out thousands of times with Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, and children. Families that will grieve for years to come.
it's not about how high the numbers go. It's about that one person.. Your "everything.”
Please... show compassion. Odds are you know somebody that endured something like this. We're in a war right now, and we're losing. It's time to step up and make sure these kids keep their parents.
Thank you... Jay A Kelley 11/16/2020
*copied & pasted
Sorry but this really does help. What were you hoping for from this post. Maybe I miss3d the message other then “fear”.

[eweissenbach]

Tal’s original post was not about fear or politics, it was about empathy, something that should not be political, but apparently is with many of you.

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

We're more SCARED than brave simply because that's what has been shoved down our throats. BTW - why is it that no one has seen ANY FLU numbers since the WuhanChineseCoronaVirus began. How many COVID deaths were actually death from something else??? WHERE ARE THE REAL TRUTH IN COVID NUMBERS?

[paulajr]

Well “paulajr” If you get it you’ll know what to expect now!

Wow...just wow. Lots of keyboard warriors sitting alone in their houses judging others during this time. You don’t know me...or what I do to protect myself. Wow...

[Tblue]

Go back and read post #18 by jacksonbrown.

[kappy]

I agree that wearing a mask for a few more months is not that difficult. Do masks really help? The “Ask Marilyn” column in the Parade magazine today makes a lot of sense. She says, “Say we have 100 people, one of whom is sick, and one mask is available. Who should wear the mask? Obviously, the sick person. In short, a mask worn by a sick person benefits many, but a mask worn by a healthy person benefits only one. It’s also obvious that the more people wear masks, the better for all. Again, why? We don’t know who may be sick.”

There are many people who do not show any symptoms of COVID but actually have it. These are the people that can give it to the rest of us if they do not mask. During the period that they have the virus prior to any symptoms showing, which could be from 5-14 days, think of all the people they could transmit the virus to. Wearing a mask is not that difficult and it could save the lives of your relatives and friends.

[oldtimes]

Be careful with Facebook, they spread fear. I quit Facebook.

And lies. People can make up anything they want and even make it look like it came from a legitimate source.

[asianthree]

It’s a story, but since it’s not something you personally had first hand knowledge, so it’s just a story.

Worked 5 months with coworkers who were positive, who continued to work, no time for a lengthy conversation. If someone was on a vent, no conversations happened.

Being there, and reading about it online if a little different

[kenoc7]

While I feel horrible that this scenario is possible for some...I know MANY people who have had, and recovered from Coronavirus, and all were able to stay in their houses, and have fully recovered. To put out this horrifying post does nothing but continue to terrify those who are already terrified. Stop. Shame on you...
This was completely necessary, timely, and appropriate. There are still far too many people who think that COVID-19 is a hoax and that their distorted view of personal freedom should take precedence over essential public health measures.

[kenoc7]

WW2 men charged Normandy "knowing" 90% would DIE. We live in FEAR of a 99% survivable flu. Shameful. Where the heck is THE GREATEST GENERATION when you need them.

America used to be "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave"
Now it is "Land of the Mask and Home of the Scared".

Scared of a 99% survivable flu.

Oh, one more thing. Early Christians knew if they met, they would be fed to LIONS. Now all churches are afraid of a 99% survivable flu. They close, they issue tickets, FREAKING TICKETS to go to Church.

My mother (who is late 90's) will NOT go see her lifelong friend who has 2 days to live (per Hospice not of Covid) because of the stories you just posted. Late 90's and afraid to Die. Probably because she can't get into church.
This is truly the clueless reply - your distorted view of personal freedom doesn't take precedence over essential public health requirements.

[Bill14564]

Go back and read post #18 by jacksonbrown.

Also read post #27 (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1867263-post27.html) by me.

The numbers in the jhunewsletter article (https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19) don't match the numbers from the CDC MMWR (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm) report. Someone is using the wrong numbers.

[ChickenDinner]

I talked to my brother from Australia yesterday. Want to know many new cases Australia had last week? 4! Hmmmm, do they know something we don’t? I don’t know, but they didn’t hesitate to make masks mandatory early on. Can’t ignore the facts, as much as we try.

[newgirl]

And you must be one of those that feel that your face is so amazing others are willing to get sick or die for. You are wrong, in fact, anyone that refuses to wear masks and take this seriously is the ugliest person in the room.
What she /he wrote is true, ask any nurse or doctor on the front line.

[DecaturFargo]

Don't shame people for a frightening experience. Shame on you.

[Swoop]

I talked to my brother from Australia yesterday. Want to know many new cases Australia had last week? 4! Hmmmm, do they know something we don’t? I don’t know, but they didn’t hesitate to make masks mandatory early on. Can’t ignore the facts, as much as we try.
Or maybe it’s because it’s an island with roughly the population of Florida. They have completely closed their borders. We can’t even control the illegal entries to the US. States that have had mask mandates are some of the highest spiking states in the country. You really think the reason Australia has so few cases is mask wearing?!?

[Bill14564]

I talked to my brother from Australia yesterday. Want to know many new cases Australia had last week? 4! Hmmmm, do they know something we don’t? I don’t know, but they didn’t hesitate to make masks mandatory early on. Can’t ignore the facts, as much as we try.

Australia is an island continent in the southern hemisphere. They have isolated themselves by prohibiting almost all travel into the country and have even restricted travel within the country. They have approximately the same population as Florida but it is spread across 45 times as much space.

A mask mandate might be the reason for the difference but....

[Gulfcoast]

They call it Grief Porn. People were just enjoying a nice Thanksgiving with their families, many hadn't seen their adult children or grandchildren for nearly a year and then a story like this gets "shared" on Facebook, it's then reposted and shared countless times by those who disapprove of the way that others spent their holiday.

It's getting very old. As Christmas draws near we can expect to see more and more of this grief porn being posted. By now, we have ALL heard these stories numerous times. Some of us may even have some firsthand experience with one or more Covid deaths. Yet, we are making the informed decision to celebrate the holidays with friends and family anyway.

[skippy05]

Yes, this is one of the scenarios that could happen. Also, you could be on the other end of the spectrum and be a carrier and be symptom-free like my mother is right now. Or, be someone with symptoms that are in the middle. The point is to be careful but at the same time continue to live life and experience life. The angle this post is written from seems full-on fear only. Be cautious but don't panic and hide.

[TrishMvhl]

Thank you, Taltarzac725. I just returned from six weeks at our house in Pennecamp. Before our lovely tenant moved out, his co-workers threw him big retirement party at City Fire. He got COVID from it, and spent five days in the hospital. A strapping guy in his early 70's, he said it knocked him on his a** and the struggle to breathe was scary.

Personally, I've known six people who have had COVID, all in the 40s and 50s, and pretty healthy. One was bad enough that she struggled to breathe for six weeks alone in a room so she would not infect her husband and six year-old son. So your post really resonated with me.

I see a lot of people scoff at taking precautions and using the words "fear" and "freedom" to back up their positions. I don't live in fear, but I am using common sense and protection when I venture out to the store etc. I don't eat inside restaurants, but I will support them by getting a meal to go. If a store is not enforcing mask usage (hello, Wal-Mart), I walk right out.

My niece is a nurse in Maine and her hospital is filling up, after being relatively quiet. She'll be working through the holidays and it will probably be Spring before we get to see her. So it angers me to see people who downplay the situation our country is in. This is a highly contagious virus, and while someone in the Villages may not be personally affected, that can quickly change. More and more nurses and doctors are exhausted, and posting videos begging people to simply wear a mask. It's the least we can do until the vaccines are widely distributed. Hang in there, everyone.

[graciegirl]

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

See more here (https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19).


There is a poster called Goodlife who is no longer posting and he espoused this same theory.

I do not agree with it. I will go and find a link to support my view.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)

[Gulfcoast]

Thank you, Taltarzac725. I just returned from six weeks at our house in Pennecamp. Before our lovely tenant moved out, his co-workers threw him big retirement party at City Fire. He got COVID from it, and spent five days in the hospital. A strapping guy in his early 70's, he said it knocked him on his a** and the struggle to breathe was scary.

Personally, I've known six people who have had COVID, all in the 40s and 50s, and pretty healthy. One was bad enough that she struggled to breathe for six weeks alone in a room so she would not infect her husband and six year-old son. So your post really resonated with me.

I see a lot of people scoff at taking precautions and using the words "fear" and "freedom" to back up their positions. I don't live in fear, but I am using common sense and protection when I venture out to the store etc. I don't eat inside restaurants, but I will support them by getting a meal to go. If a store is not enforcing mask usage (hello, Wal-Mart), I walk right out.

My niece is a nurse in Maine and her hospital is filling up, after being relatively quiet. She'll be working through the holidays and it will probably be Spring before we get to see her. So it angers me to see people who downplay the situation our country is in. This is a highly contagious virus, and while someone in the Villages may not be personally affected, that can quickly change. More and more nurses and doctors are exhausted, and posting videos begging people to simply wear a mask. It's the least we can do until the vaccines are widely distributed. Hang in there, everyone.

The WHO is saying that our businesses should be up and running. The CDC says that our kids should be getting face to face instruction in our schools. The courts are beginning to rule in the favor of religious freedom and the ability to spend time celebrating the holidays as we choose.

You may not feel comfortable with what the experts are actually telling us to do (remain open, working, sending kids to school) and you have the freedom to disregard them if that is what you choose to do. No one is going to bash you for it, either. Personal responsibility is underrated these days.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The WHO is saying that our businesses should be up and running. The CDC says that our kids should be getting face to face instruction in our schools. The courts are beginning to rule in the favor of religious freedom and the ability to spend time celebrating the holidays as we choose.

You may not feel comfortable with what the experts are actually telling us to do (remain open, working, sending kids to school) and you have the freedom to disregard them if that is what you choose to do. No one is going to bash you for it, either. Personal responsibility is underrated these days.

The CDC is saying "Wear a mask." Right in nice big letters, on their main coronavirus webpage here:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html) It's the very next thing immediately under the big yellow box that says: "COVID-19 Alert: cases are on the rise."

On that same page, is a link to how to handle the holidays. You can see their recommendations here:

COVID-19: Holiday Celebrations | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/holidays.html)

The CDC is saying open the schools when the location and severity of the spread of the virus allows for it (meaning - if there's a low risk in that district, go ahead and open it. If there's a widespread infection rate, keep it closed). It is ALSO recommending that EVEN IF THE SCHOOLS REOPEN - students and teachers wear masks, social distance, wash their hands.

Face to face WITH MASKS ON, or some other method of barrier between students (one teacher turned each desk into a play-car complete with tall 3-sided windshields so they could all see each other. In person. Without masks.)

Businesses should get back to work - with employees and customers WEARING MASKS AND MAINTAINING A SOCIAL DISTANCE FROM EACH OTHER.

So yes - life should continue. But not as "normal." Normal is not possible at this point.

[Marine1974]

Terrified to know people who are not compassionate for others who
have to go on ventilators and turn a blind eye to others who suffer . Wait till they are faced with getting
sick . Don’t they have any concern at all for the healthcare workers that have to treat sick patients?
My lord , this is the society we live in and have to put up with such
Inhuman ones like these that don’t care .

[Gulfcoast]

The CDC is saying "Wear a mask." Right in nice big letters, on their main coronavirus webpage here:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html) It's the very next thing immediately under the big yellow box that says: "COVID-19 Alert: cases are on the rise."

On that same page, is a link to how to handle the holidays. You can see their recommendations here:

COVID-19: Holiday Celebrations | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/holidays.html)

The CDC is saying open the schools when the location and severity of the spread of the virus allows for it (meaning - if there's a low risk in that district, go ahead and open it. If there's a widespread infection rate, keep it closed). It is ALSO recommending that EVEN IF THE SCHOOLS REOPEN - students and teachers wear masks, social distance, wash their hands.

Face to face WITH MASKS ON, or some other method of barrier between students (one teacher turned each desk into a play-car complete with tall 3-sided windshields so they could all see each other. In person. Without masks.)

Businesses should get back to work - with employees and customers WEARING MASKS AND MAINTAINING A SOCIAL DISTANCE FROM EACH OTHER.

So yes - life should continue. But not as "normal." Normal is not possible at this point.

There are guidelines in place and the schools, for the most part, have remained open which is great news. You are a former teacher if I am recalling correctly so you have a pretty good idea as to how likely 100% compliance to these guidelines will be in any given school. You know darned well that kids will have masks break, or that they will forget to put masks back on after lunch and walk halfway down a crowded hallway before realizing that their mask is off. Parents will give their sick kids Tylenol before sending them to school and then act all surprised when their kid's temperature rises as the medicine wears off and they become symptomatic. Yet, in looking at the data, schools do not appear to be the super spreaders that had so many people worried.

It's the same sort of thing with any other public place. There will be guidelines in place but nothing is ever going to be 100% perfect. There are people out there who don't know what a 6 foot distance even is much less how to always maintain 6 feet of distance between other people. Cloth masks only do so much if social distancing isn't maintained and good luck getting through a store and always maintaining 6 feet of distance. I believe it's been said that cloth masks are "better than nothing". Well, o.k.

We can't drive ourselves crazy over the little infractions that we see every day. We can't let the rules completely rob us of our quality of life, either. Living in fear of the absolute worst case scenario happening is no way to live. I, for one, am glad that I spent my Thanksgiving with my family - face to face. I don't think that virtual turkey would have tasted quite as good.

[Gulfcoast]

On a different note, I read recently of an Alzheimer's patient who was kicked out of a locked memory care unit for not wearing their mask. Just think about that one. Sometimes the rules can be a little bit crazy.

[jimjamuser]

While I feel horrible that this scenario is possible for some...I know MANY people who have had, and recovered from Coronavirus, and all were able to stay in their houses, and have fully recovered. To put out this horrifying post does nothing but continue to terrify those who are already terrified. Stop. Shame on you...
I disagree. It is a great post about REALITY. We need to accept the reality of this national emergency. You can't fight against a life and death emergency unless you RECOGNIZE it. The after Thanksgiving case increase is likely to overload hospitals and Doctors and nurses will experience burnout. Patient care will suffer. Families of patients will suffer. Why NOT recognize this possibility in order to gear up properly for it.

The US needs to quickly start up the DPA to provide our overworked Medical personal with enough N-95 masks and all other PPEs needed to become more successful at fighting this pandemic. Right now all of US society is NOT being patriotic and doing its share to fight back the Virus. This is a situation where you NEED big government - you can't fight a NATIONAL emergency on a state-by-state basis. The CDC asked / suggested that Americans limit their travel on Thanksgiving. 40% of Americans disregarded this Medical Science Advice and were unpatriotic and uncaring toward their fellow citizens. You can't beat the Virus by being selfish and disregarding CV. Get REAL America !!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Thank you for sharing. It is jarring, yet, there will be a people that still want to go to war with anybody who eithers asks them to wear a mask and social distance, or because the person in the store is wearing a mask. The message needs to be repeated over and over for people to wake up and realize this is not political or a game. Soon there will not be enough healthcare workers to take care of anymore people.
I agree! Wonderful post. Kudos!

[jimjamuser]

Keep Mongering that Fear. Most recover and didnt even know they had it.
I would call it REALITY mongering.

[Eg_cruz]

[QUOTE=Taltarzac725;1866956is off of Facebook--

We have ALL heard the horror stories for months. We have ALL seen the news clips, we have ALL watched the fall shows like The Good Doctor with its over dramatized, fear inducing tear jerker, “this is what happens if you get it”.

ENOUGH ALREADY. Find something else to post about, or find positive news - like yes positive numbers are still increasing but fewer are hospitalized or on a ventilator or dying either due to treatment or changes in the virus itself. Vaccines will be made and soon available - that will be effective.

So instead of posting the death fear - “if you get it, you die” which is also so very NOT true ... spread hope.

That alone will help far more in this battle.
Amen

[jimjamuser]

This is from IPSOS the worlds third largest market research company. snipped


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Washington, DC, October 27, 2020 – A new Ipsos poll shows that most Americans are concerned about a spike in COVID-19 cases in their area during the holiday season. Regarding Thanksgiving plans, over half plan to celebrate with just immediate family. Just one in ten are traveling to see family and friends, with the majority saying they will quarantine for at least a week before traveling. The most common adaptations for Thanksgiving this year are having a smaller gathering and not seeing family or friends that one normally would see. Nonetheless, a third do not plan to make any adjustment.
40% of the US actually traveled for Thanksgiving. ONLY 60% followed CDC guidelines.

[Bucco]

I disagree. It is a great post about REALITY. We need to accept the reality of this national emergency. You can't fight against a life and death emergency unless you RECOGNIZE it. The after Thanksgiving case increase is likely to overload hospitals and Doctors and nurses will experience burnout. Patient care will suffer. Families of patients will suffer. Why NOT recognize this possibility in order to gear up properly for it.

The US needs to quickly start up the DPA to provide our overworked Medical personal with enough N-95 masks and all other PPEs needed to become more successful at fighting this pandemic. Right now all of US society is NOT being patriotic and doing its share to fight back the Virus. This is a situation where you NEED big government - you can't fight a NATIONAL emergency on a state-by-state basis. The CDC asked / suggested that Americans limit their travel on Thanksgiving. 40% of Americans disregarded this Medical Science Advice and were unpatriotic and uncaring toward their fellow citizens. You can't beat the Virus by being selfish and disregarding CV. Get REAL America !!!!!!

REALITY is not a word or concept our government is aware of.

I was criticized on another thread for calling attention to what happens if our health system crashes or even gets any closer to such collapse.

I offered a sampling to headlines from across our country where hospitals just have no more room. I noted that in Texas, the National Guard was called up to work in the morgue.

I was told I was being political, as always, but assure you that Bucco is not being political. If you feel I tell a lie then tell me what it is.

We have a serious problem, and nobody in our government seems to be talking about it as a problem.

DPA is one way to help, as we have done over the past couple years in much easier to cope with situations, but all the warning about economic problems should we do any shut downs will be so very minor if the entire healthcare industry shuts down.

[donassaid]

That scenario plays out every single day across this country and around our world. The difference being that tens of thousands of these are due to heart attack, stroke, cancer, pneumonia and accidents of all kinds where, in many cases, families never have a chance to say their goodbyes. Why you chose to make this strictly about Corona virus and trying to guilt those who don't wear a mask, stay at home or cower behind closed doors is simply manipulating one's emotions. Lots of us refuse to bow to unhinged fear and paranoia and continue to live our lives to tge fullest. You should try it sometime.

[jimjamuser]

I tend to agree. Most people have mild symptoms and recover fine at home.

The flu also kills people every year and, sadly, people die from terrible infections caused by cuts and scrapes that most people would never have an issue with. I've heard of people getting blood poisoning and sepsis from a hangnail. Life can be so random.

Dwelling on worse case scenarios really tends to suck the joy out of life.
And the ostrich buried its head in the sand to hide from their enemies. In this case, it is a CV enemy.

[lkagele]

There is a poster called Goodlife who is no longer posting and he espoused this same theory.

I do not agree with it. I will go and find a link to support my view.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)

Let's try with a link that's understandable. Yours is written in 'government speak'.

[lkagele]

Terrified to know people who are not compassionate for others who
have to go on ventilators and turn a blind eye to others who suffer . Wait till they are faced with getting
sick . Don’t they have any concern at all for the healthcare workers that have to treat sick patients?
My lord , this is the society we live in and have to put up with such
Inhuman ones like these that don’t care .
Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they aren't compassionate or caring. There are studies out there that support opposite conclusions.

[Eg_cruz]

Terrified to know people who are not compassionate for others who
have to go on ventilators and turn a blind eye to others who suffer . Wait till they are faced with getting
sick . Don’t they have any concern at all for the healthcare workers that have to treat sick patients?
My lord , this is the society we live in and have to put up with such
Inhuman ones like these that don’t care .
I agree but this post is a true story. This is a short story written to maybe open eyes or maybe to put the fear into others. I problem I am seeing her is it not a true story so with that I feel it’s it just an other fear tactic and those I am over already. I am one of those who follows the guide line as I am driving down the middle of the road.
I truly think people like me are so over the fear mongering and double standards that has been taking place since April and just want it to stop. So when people post things like this it omg not again.
If you have a real story I am all for that.
My sister has COPD got the virus and yes I was very scared for her but with the new care protocol in place she was in the hospital for three days and is doing great. They have really find ways to get people better fast and I would much rather read about that.
So yes I do care very deeply for my fellow man but I don’t need to have these kind of post it doesn’t help anyone.

[lkagele]

That scenario plays out every single day across this country and around our world. The difference being that tens of thousands of these are due to heart attack, stroke, cancer, pneumonia and accidents of all kinds where, in many cases, families never have a chance to say their goodbyes. Why you chose to make this strictly about Corona virus and trying to guilt those who don't wear a mask, stay at home or cower behind closed doors is simply manipulating one's emotions. Lots of us refuse to bow to unhinged fear and paranoia and continue to live our lives to tge fullest. You should try it sometime.

Careful or you'll be admitted to the Truth and Reconciliation program. Living life to the fullest isn't the desire of big government types.

[Gulfcoast]

Reality: The coronavirus is a fairly innocuous bug to most people with many who are infected not even realizing that they have it.

Reality: There is a small percentage of people who will experience severe complications from this virus. Most of them have serious underlying preexisting health conditions.

Reality: The pros of keeping our country up and running outweigh the cons of shutting things down.

Reality: Laughter, joy, socializing is a great stress reliever that improves overall health - both physically and mentally.

Reality: Children (K-12), in general, do better with face to face school instruction and in person interaction with their peers.

Reality: Fear, anxiety and isolation lower the quality of life and contribute to health declines - both physical and mental.

Reality: I think people care about their fellow human beings we just have different ways of showing that we care.

And, finally, I have only heard one side of this argument say things like "I hope you die", "I'll spit in your face" or "Get near me and I'll kill you". If you find yourself saying these kinds of things, give a long hard look as to what kind of social media you are on and what news networks you are listening to. Mainstream media is not the fair, balanced news that we grew up listening to.

[jimjamuser]

I think we simply have different personalities and different ways of assessing risks.

I will ask you to defer to the experts on this one. The WHO has stated that shutdowns have been catastrophic to communities, sending people into despair and poverty. The WHO does not recommend shutdowns saying that they do far more harm than good. The CDC has stated that children are safer in school and that they should be receiving face to face instruction. I look at this information and, to me, that means that we need to stop worrying so much about things that are really beyond our control. Medical doctors are saying that we need to keep working and sending our kids to school or risk catastrophic and irreversible damage to our communities.

Wear a mask, maintain good social distance but realize that the people eating out at restaurants, shopping at the stores, taking fitness classes at the gyms, attending schools are helping to keep our communities thriving, too. We need to stop second guessing each other and work on mitigating our own risks as necessary.
The CV Plague was ignored as far back as February 2020. That is why today the people of the US and TV Land are required by REALITY to now NOT ignore the Virus. The reaction to CV was BAD then and it is STILL bad today. You can HOPE for a vaccine to make everything normal, but it is too LATE. Current History will be marked as pre-CV and after-CV. HOPE is NOT a strategy. US society needs to "look the problem in the eye" and STOP ignoring it!

[Byte1]

Coronavirus: What is it and how can I protect myself? - Mayo Clinic (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/novel-coronavirus/faq-20478727)

Try researching reliable sources. This virus is very serious.

You are correct, this virus is serious. However, it is irresponsible to encourage or be accessory to mass hysteria.
I do not understand why there are those that seem to thrive on fear and also find the need to have company in their misery.

I have known several persons that have been bit by poisonous snakes, but I do not assume there there is a poisonous snake everywhere I go. Even though you can die from a snake bite, I do not know of anyone personally that has died from a snake bite. Same goes with the folks I know and witnessed that were bit by scorpions. Maybe not an accurate comparison but some of us prefer to live our lives with caution, NOT fear.

What is going to happen once the vaccine is distributed? Are the naysayers going to find something new to worry about? Live life cautiously, not Fearfully.

[Bucco]

I agree but this post is a true story. This is a short story written to maybe open eyes or maybe to put the fear into others. I problem I am seeing her is it not a true story so with that I feel it’s it just an other fear tactic and those I am over already. I am one of those who follows the guide line as I am driving down the middle of the road.
I truly think people like me are so over the fear mongering and double standards that has been taking place since April and just want it to stop. So when people post things like this it omg not again.
If you have a real story I am all for that.
My sister has COPD got the virus and yes I was very scared for her but with the new care protocol in place she was in the hospital for three days and is doing great. They have really find ways to get people better fast and I would much rather read about that.
So yes I do care very deeply for my fellow man but I don’t need to have these kind of post it doesn’t help anyone.

Glad about your sister.

I also want the double talk to stop, but I, whether good or bad, am a realist, and want facts and truth.

You are absolutely correct, the facts and truths have bee very hard to come by for many months, and I KNOW what is happening in hospitals around our country. I KNOW the facts on our healthcare crisis, but I see no action or even words about it.

Hard to read some posts or hear stories, but my preference is the truth and facts, which we do not get and never have. I do not advocate shut downs or anything, but leadership is needed to insure we know all we should know.

The Vaccine is a silver lining but been hearing about it being available "shortly" for many months. Best and most reasonable dates I can get now is April/May of 2021......5 months from now.

‘Help is coming — and it’s coming soon’: Dr. Fauci outlines when COVID-19 vaccine will be available to all Americans - MarketWatch (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/help-is-coming-and-its-coming-soon-dr-fauci-outlines-when-covid-19-vaccination-will-be-available-to-all-americans-2020-11-12)

I do not like to read a post like that either, but it is closer to reality than any other information we get.

[Byte1]

The CV Plague was ignored as far back as February 2020. That is why today the people of the US and TV Land are required by REALITY to now NOT ignore the Virus. The reaction to CV was BAD then and it is STILL bad today. You can HOPE for a vaccine to make everything normal, but it is too LATE. Current History will be marked as pre-CV and after-CV. HOPE is NOT a strategy. US society needs to "look the problem in the eye" and STOP ignoring it!

The sky is falling. The end is near. :clap2: :pray:

[jimjamuser]

Exactly. And if you look at the overall deaths in the US in 2020 vs 2019, the numbers are basically the same. The fear mongering is nothing more than a diversion. They want us to focus on the left hand so we don't see what the right hand is doing.
That could be because in 2020 people were on the highway less and had fewer deaths? Nevertheless, the graph of CV deaths is RISING. That fact is of great importance to MANY people. The US will get back to normal ONLY after those CV deaths are under control. When will that happen???.......no one really knows - because many people are anti-vaxers and will resist getting the vaccine even AFTER Medical Science provides this "bridge to a normal future".

[jimjamuser]

Stop the fear... millions die every year in America before their time. 700,000 babies are aborted each year.
And I see several problems here.

[Gulfcoast]

Those who are concerned about contracting the virus will get the vaccine and go on with their lives. Those who aren't that worried will probably opt not to get the vaccine and take their chances. I have no problem with either group.

There will be others still who will refuse to get the vaccine and insist that everyone else continue to wear masks and social distance permanently - those folks can pound sand. Either take the vaccine or don't take the vaccine - but live with the consequences of YOUR choice whatever those consequences may be.

[jimjamuser]

I talked to my brother from Australia yesterday. Want to know many new cases Australia had last week? 4! Hmmmm, do they know something we don’t? I don’t know, but they didn’t hesitate to make masks mandatory early on. Can’t ignore the facts, as much as we try.
I have been talking about Australia's success for months now. I have gotten "happy talk" push back - like saying that Australia is an island and COMPLETLY different than the US. They are different all right - they have good leadership that they respect and listen to and act on. They are smart. We are the dumb ones that have caused our own tragic lack of reaction to this DEADLY situation. Sure, "shame on us". There lies the shame!!!!!

[sail33or]

WW2 men charged Normandy "knowing" 90% would DIE. We live in FEAR of a 99% survivable flu. Shameful. Where the heck is THE GREATEST GENERATION when you need them.

America used to be "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave"
Now it is "Land of the Mask and Home of the Scared".

Scared of a 99% survivable flu.

Oh, one more thing. Early Christians knew if they met, they would be fed to LIONS. Now all churches are afraid of a 99% survivable flu. They close, they issue tickets, FREAKING TICKETS to go to Church.

My mother (who is late 90's) will NOT go see her lifelong friend who has 2 days to live (per Hospice not of Covid) because of the stories you just posted. Late 90's and afraid to Die. Probably because she can't get into church.

[jimjamuser]

Thank you, Taltarzac725. I just returned from six weeks at our house in Pennecamp. Before our lovely tenant moved out, his co-workers threw him big retirement party at City Fire. He got COVID from it, and spent five days in the hospital. A strapping guy in his early 70's, he said it knocked him on his a** and the struggle to breathe was scary.

Personally, I've known six people who have had COVID, all in the 40s and 50s, and pretty healthy. One was bad enough that she struggled to breathe for six weeks alone in a room so she would not infect her husband and six year-old son. So your post really resonated with me.

I see a lot of people scoff at taking precautions and using the words "fear" and "freedom" to back up their positions. I don't live in fear, but I am using common sense and protection when I venture out to the store etc. I don't eat inside restaurants, but I will support them by getting a meal to go. If a store is not enforcing mask usage (hello, Wal-Mart), I walk right out.

My niece is a nurse in Maine and her hospital is filling up, after being relatively quiet. She'll be working through the holidays and it will probably be Spring before we get to see her. So it angers me to see people who downplay the situation our country is in. This is a highly contagious virus, and while someone in the Villages may not be personally affected, that can quickly change. More and more nurses and doctors are exhausted, and posting videos begging people to simply wear a mask. It's the least we can do until the vaccines are widely distributed. Hang in there, everyone.
Great post. Kudos!

[jimjamuser]

The WHO is saying that our businesses should be up and running. The CDC says that our kids should be getting face to face instruction in our schools. The courts are beginning to rule in the favor of religious freedom and the ability to spend time celebrating the holidays as we choose.

You may not feel comfortable with what the experts are actually telling us to do (remain open, working, sending kids to school) and you have the freedom to disregard them if that is what you choose to do. No one is going to bash you for it, either. Personal responsibility is underrated these days.
Not true! The Medical experts are telling you to stay home as much as possible. Children may be able to safely go to school. It is worth the risk. Adults should NOT BE CONGREGATING INDOORS in bars, restaurants, churches. If you are NOT an essential worker, then be patriotic and get some empathy and stay HOME.

[PugMom]

[QUOTE=Andyb;1867370]Be careful with Facebook, they spread fear. I quit Facebook.[/QUOTE

i was waiting for someone to post that. Fb is hardly a credible source, a nice story, but mostly bs peddled on a national scale, ie: twitter :boxing2:

[NavyVet]

Wow. Did not see that coming from the title until too late. Can't 'un-see' it. As someone who has lived with PTSD for MANY years, reading this promptly triggered an anxiety attack, so thanks for that. Believe me, I'm already anxious enough with high risk factors, I've been holed up in my house since March and I take every precaution when I HAVE to go out. A lot of forums require the words "Trigger Warning" in the titles so people can choose to avoid reading such upsetting material. Too bad TOTV does not - that would be nice. I'm supposed to avoid stress as much as possible, sure not easy to do in these scary times.

[PugMom]

Wow...just wow. Lots of keyboard warriors sitting alone in their houses judging others during this time. You don’t know me...or what I do to protect myself. Wow...

yes. God help you if you say the wrong thing! :1rotfl:

[John41]

This is off of Facebook--

Perspective.

Here is the story: You get a fever, and it's a little hard to breathe, but not that bad. Take some tylenol and go to bed. You wake up in the middle of the night to find yourself gasping for air. You reach over to your wife and get her attention. She rolls over, “What's wrong honey? It's the middle of the night
.
.

Please... show compassion. Odds are you know somebody that endured something like this. We're in a war right now, and we're losing. It's time to step up and make sure these kids keep their parents.
Thank you... Jay A Kelley 11/16/2020u
*copied & pasted

Covid 19 is a serious problem, but to say no one is taking it seriously is inaccurate. When the shortages in ventilators, mask and hospital beds arose, government mobilized industry to convert their production lines to produce the needed items and those shortages were corrected. Government mobilized the military to build the needed facilities and hospital beds. A mercy ship was sent to NYC to help but was not needed. Operation Warp Speed was initiated to fast track development of a vaccine and in record time we now have two 95% effective vaccines that will be distributed beginning December 13 in the US . By early next year the entire population of the US will have access to the vaccine. When 60 to 70 percent are vaccinated herd immunity will occur and the virus will die out. So continue to be cautious, social distance and wear a mask until you are vaccinated.

[Gulfcoast]

Not true! The Medical experts are telling you to stay home as much as possible. Children may be able to safely go to school. It is worth the risk. Adults should NOT BE CONGREGATING INDOORS in bars, restaurants, churches. If you are NOT an essential worker, then be patriotic and get some empathy and stay HOME.

The WHO and the Supreme Court disagree with you.

Telling restaurants that they can only partially reopen for delivery only, for instance, has caused the needless failing of once thriving restaurants all over the country. Those failures have robbed people of their life savings and plunged them into despair and poverty which is NOT healthy. Yet, in spite of this Coronavirus is still going around.

I must respectfully disagree that your solution is at all patriotic. People know how to assess their own risks, and trust me, if they were afraid of dying from eating out at restaurants, shopping at the stores, going to their health clubs or visiting their family members you would not need to be scolding them into staying at home. It's important to keep our children educated, our communities running while enjoying a decent quality of life.

[PugMom]

I agree but this post is a true story. This is a short story written to maybe open eyes or maybe to put the fear into others. I problem I am seeing her is it not a true story so with that I feel it’s it just an other fear tactic and those I am over already. I am one of those who follows the guide line as I am driving down the middle of the road.
I truly think people like me are so over the fear mongering and double standards that has been taking place since April and just want it to stop. So when people post things like this it omg not again.
If you have a real story I am all for that.
My sister has COPD got the virus and yes I was very scared for her but with the new care protocol in place she was in the hospital for three days and is doing great. They have really find ways to get people better fast and I would much rather read about that.
So yes I do care very deeply for my fellow man but I don’t need to have these kind of post it doesn’t help anyone.

that comes into question: not so sure anything off FB is 'true'. it's the last place i'd go for serious information. nothing personal, of course

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they aren't compassionate or caring. There are studies out there that support opposite conclusions.

There are studies out there that support the conclusion that the earth is flat, our species evolved from extraterrestrials, and the Easter Bunny is real.

That doesn't make these things true. It does, however, make people who will insist that up is down and offer a website to prove it just because THEY want up to be down, gullible and lacking intuitiveness.

[Swoop]

That could be because in 2020 people were on the highway less and had fewer deaths? Nevertheless, the graph of CV deaths is RISING. That fact is of great importance to MANY people. The US will get back to normal ONLY after those CV deaths are under control. When will that happen???.......no one really knows - because many people are anti-vaxers and will resist getting the vaccine even AFTER Medical Science provides this "bridge to a normal future".
You’re right, there were fewer traffic deaths in 2020 “The number of people who have died in motor vehicle traffic crashes was down from 16,988 in 2019 to 16,650 in 2020, a decrease of 2 percent.”
That’s roughly 350 people. That certainly doesn’t offset 265,000. Yet the death rate in the US has increased by the lowest percentage in the last five years.
Care to try again?

[tvmurray]

Only thing making me sick is all of these chicken littles running around. This is a dry run to see how much they can control us, and get us to turn in our neighbors for not following mandates.

[sail33or]

PERSPECTIVE:

Ones PERSONAL VIEWPOINT

No one is going to change their viewpoint. My 96 year old mother is on the internet everyday reading about COVID. I believe if I even get to be 80 that I will be preparing to meet God every minute of every day. Probably should do that now. But my Mother is SCARED. SCARED of Covid. What is the worst thing it can do. Kill You. Your freaking 96 years old. Old people are going to die soon of something. But on this COVID Thing. Leave ME alone. I am to busy worrying about Roundup Cancer, Radiation, Global Warming, UFO's, Iran, FBI, Roundabouts, My grass, development south of 44, Apartments in the Villages, etc.

[jimjamuser]

Covid 19 is a serious problem, but to say no one is taking it seriously is inaccurate. When the shortages in ventilators, mask and hospital beds arose, government mobilized industry to convert their production lines to produce the needed items and those shortages were corrected. Government mobilized the military to build the needed facilities and hospital beds. A mercy ship was sent to NYC to help but was not needed. Operation Warp Speed was initiated to fast track development of a vaccine and in record time we now have two 95% effective vaccines that will be distributed beginning December 13 in the US . By early next year the entire population of the US will have access to the vaccine. When 60 to 70 percent are vaccinated herd immunity will occur and the virus will die out. So continue to be cautious, social distance and wear a mask until you are vaccinated.
"The ENTIRE population of the US will be vaccinated early in 2021" - That is VERY optimistic. I would GUESS(?) that the vaccine will be AVAILABLE to everyone by LATE 2021. It remains to be seen how many anti-vaccine types reject it. If enough do reject it - you can kiss the herd immunity concept goodbye. The vaccine still has several hurdles to clear before it is approved to be safe.

[jimjamuser]

You’re right, there were fewer traffic deaths in 2020 “The number of people who have died in motor vehicle traffic crashes was down from 16,988 in 2019 to 16,650 in 2020, a decrease of 2 percent.”
That’s roughly 350 people. That certainly doesn’t offset 265,000. Yet the death rate in the US has increased by the lowest percentage in the last five years.
Care to try again?
I already answered that after I used the word, "nevertheless". The ALL-important thing is that CV deaths are increasing in ALL parts of the US.

[jimjamuser]

Only thing making me sick is all of these chicken littles running around. This is a dry run to see how much they can control us, and get us to turn in our neighbors for not following mandates.
An exaggeration and a conspiracy theory all wrapped up in a nice bow.

[jimjamuser]

PERSPECTIVE:

Ones PERSONAL VIEWPOINT

No one is going to change their viewpoint. My 96 year old mother is on the internet everyday reading about COVID. I believe if I even get to be 80 that I will be preparing to meet God every minute of every day. Probably should do that now. But my Mother is SCARED. SCARED of Covid. What is the worst thing it can do. Kill You. Your freaking 96 years old. Old people are going to die soon of something. But on this COVID Thing. Leave ME alone. I am to busy worrying about Roundup Cancer, Radiation, Global Warming, UFO's, Iran, FBI, Roundabouts, My grass, development south of 44, Apartments in the Villages, etc.
I truly hope that your grass does NOT catch CV.

[NoMoSno]

I already answered that after I used the word, "nevertheless". The ALL-important thing is that CV deaths are increasing in ALL parts of the US.
CV deaths are decreasing in Florida.
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[GPGuar]

While I feel horrible that this scenario is possible for some...I know MANY people who have had, and recovered from Coronavirus, and all were able to stay in their houses, and have fully recovered. To put out this horrifying post does nothing but continue to terrify those who are already terrified. Stop. Shame on you...

I completely agree!

[Coastie]

Thank you for this summary. Hope those that do not take this serious read it and change their ways to protect not only themselves but others.

[PugMom]

An exaggeration and a conspiracy theory all wrapped up in a nice bow.

not so. only last week did i hear about cuomo wanting people to report their neighbors if they saw celebrations of over 10. it's no lie. & no, i didn't see it on fox,...and it's only a conspiracy until documents show up to prove it

[Kenswing]

Another 100+ post thread about the Covid-19 virus. Raise your hand if this one finally made you change your mind or position about the virus. If not I'm sure there will be another thread along in a day or two that won't change your mind either..

[dewilson58]

Another 100+ post thread about the Covid-19 virus. Raise your hand if this one finally made you change your mind or position about the virus. If not I'm sure there will be another thread along in a day or two that won't change your mind either..


I enjoy the original post............most of the rest is samo, samo. :ohdear:

[Swoop]

I already answered that after I used the word, "nevertheless". The ALL-important thing is that CV deaths are increasing in ALL parts of the US.

Sure Covid “coded” deaths continue to be added to the total. Doesn’t it strike you as strange that the 265,000 Covid coded deaths hasn’t effected the death rate in 2020? Maybe it’s because most would have died from their existing health issues. According to the CDC, only 15,000 Covid deaths did not include other health factors ...

[Gulfcoast]

not so. only last week did i hear about cuomo wanting people to report their neighbors if they saw celebrations of over 10. it's no lie. & no, i didn't see it on fox,...and it's only a conspiracy until documents show up to prove it

It's like that in Oregon, too, and probably other states as well.

[Jacob85]

It seems that some people need to feel terrified to take this virus seriously. Most people in the villages are way over the age and have some underlying condition yet they gather together and take risks and say things like it’s just the flu! Yes they need to be a little scared!

[Jacob85]

Talking numbers again. That only makes people continue to downplay this virus

[cj1040]

The thing is that you have no way of knowing how it will affect YOU or your loved ones. Even kids and teens have died from this not to mention fine and brave doctors and nurses as well. Just wear a mask and social distance or we will all have to endure another shut down

[Pairadocs]

This is off of Facebook--

Perspective.

Here is the story: You get a fever, and it's a little hard to breathe, but not that bad. Take some tylenol and go to bed. You wake up in the middle of the night to find yourself gasping for air. You reach over to your wife and get her attention. She rolls over, “What's wrong honey? It's the middle of the night.” It's then she can hear you breathing, or trying to. She turns on the light and sees the panic in your eyes... No matter how much you inhale, it's not enough, it's never enough. That would be bad enough but the fever is spiking, it's hard to focus. Your three kids come into the room, they heard Mom talking loud, trying to get your attention. The little girl, 6 years old, you're the center of her universe. She's a daddy's girl and loves it when you take her places with you. "Is Daddy Okay?" Mom tries to hide her panic "He's fine honey, he'll be okay..." She struggles trying to decide if she should drive you to the emergency room or get an ambulance. She decides to drive. You're too out of it to get dressed so she takes you in your pajamas. Once there, they admit you. Your wife cannot go in. You're alone. She is sent to the house to quarantine with the rest of your kids. They start to work on you. You're getting tired, your chest hurts from trying to breathe for so long. Your blood pressure is up. They lower your fever a little and put on an oxygen mask. It seems to help a little, but only for an hour or so. Then your lungs begin to fight for air again. They offer to turn you over on your stomach, "sometimes it helps" they say. They roll you over... It does. You look out the door, Doctors are running everywhere. There are patients in the hallways. The ward is full, and everyone is trying to keep up. You hear Code calls, and ventilator machines being rolled up and down the hallway. You notice you cannot smell anything, and you have pain all over. You wonder about your family. Your daughter, the fear in her eyes as her daddy was put into the car. "Why are you leaving Daddy? I'll take care of you..."
Pain.. the fight for air. It's back. You press the button. They roll you back over and check you out. The doctor comes up to your bed. Completely covered, face mask, hood, looks a little like an astronaut. "Sir, you're not getting enough oxygen in your blood. We need to put you on a ventilator." You nod in agreement, gasping. "Sir... You won't be able to talk once we do this. Would you like to say anything to your family? We can arrange a facetime with them if you like.” As your head tries to wrap itself around this offer, one question comes to mind: "How serious is this?" It takes the doc a while to respond, he's done this hundreds of times, but it never gets easy. "Patients that go on a ventilator have a 4 in 10 chance of not recovering. Should we try to reach your family?" You nod... Numb. Your brain can't handle all the info it's getting. The fever, the pain in your chest the struggle for air, it's too much. A nurse comes back in with an iPad. "I have your family online" she tries to say with a smile. You take the Ipad. There they are, all three kids and your wife. Your everything. The look on their faces is a look you've seen before. The brave smiles. The look you give when you feel sorrow and pain, but need to cheer up the person you’re talking too. They are not at home.. It looks like they are outside. You pull in as much air as you can so you can sound somewhat normal. It does not work. "Hey guys, where are you?" Your wife forces another smile. “We're outside your window honey. They put signs out so we know where you are. They can't let us in. We're not supposed to leave the house but we needed to be close to you.” She starts to cry, it's too much for her. That's when it hits you. Clarity, all at once.. You're saying "goodbye.” The next time you hug your family will either be a few weeks from now, or in the hereafter. So this is your last chance to say something. The six year old is shaking, pale with fear. "Hey there nugget.. How you doing?" "Daddy... Please come home... Who will read to me? I miss you so much, please get out of bed.. I'll do anything you want!" You never realized you could cry as hard as you are right now, and it's making the breathing even harder. You know you're scaring her. You cannot stay on much longer. "I'm sorry nugget... I can't get out of bed right now. You take care of your Mama for me okay? I love your everything.” She looks at you through tear soaked eyes.. "I love your everything too.” You can't do it... You can't say goodbye, it's all just too much. The iPad falls in your lap as you struggle to both breathe and cry all at once. An alarm goes off, the Docs surround you and begin to put in the ventilator. Your eyes close for the last time. It's over. It takes years for your family to recover. They lost their rock, and nothing will be the same, ever again... End
I felt compelled to write this to give a perspective to those of us who are more focused on comfort and "getting back to normal.” The above story has played out thousands of times with Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, and children. Families that will grieve for years to come.
it's not about how high the numbers go. It's about that one person.. Your "everything.”
Please... show compassion. Odds are you know somebody that endured something like this. We're in a war right now, and we're losing. It's time to step up and make sure these kids keep their parents.
Thank you... Jay A Kelley 11/16/2020
*copied & pasted

Sad that, like the media, find the most terrifying story (which may, or may not, be completely made up, I mean "Facebook" is full of people needing attention and to feel important by posting shocking things, but whatever) to post. How gracious of you. Perhaps next time, you could find something to lift the spirits of your neighbors and friends here in the V's ? Or, perhaps not, maybe your focus IS shock and fear ?

[Pairadocs]

yes. God help you if you say the wrong thing! :1rotfl:

Amen to that ! Nasty nasty people, never EVER realized what was really just under the surface with all the smiling, friendly, people I see daily at the postal boxes, swimming pools, and on the courses... paralyzed with fear, wishing terrible things on people who, are just living their lives with faith, enjoying their retirement years, and for the most part (from what I see), wearing masks when asked for or appropriate !

[Gulfcoast]

The thing is that you have no way of knowing how it will affect YOU or your loved ones. Even kids and teens have died from this not to mention fine and brave doctors and nurses as well. Just wear a mask and social distance or we will all have to endure another shut down

Last I heard, there will be no more shutdowns in Florida and no mask mandates.

Stores generally have a policy to request that masks be worn but will stop short of enforcing that policy.

Certain health conditions make mask wearing very difficult, if not impossible, for some people.

Some people do not cognitively understand what it means to stay 6 feet away from others. They aren't defiant, they legitimately can't judge the distance.

Sometimes people momentarily forget the rules and may pop into the store w/o a mask or walk to close to you.

When you are in public you have to be patient and when you place yourself around others you have to accept a certain amount of risk by doing so.

Yes, it is possible to die a terrible death from Covid. We get it. Thankfully, that is not at all typical.

[Pairadocs]

While I feel horrible that this scenario is possible for some...I know MANY people who have had, and recovered from Coronavirus, and all were able to stay in their houses, and have fully recovered. To put out this horrifying post does nothing but continue to terrify those who are already terrified. Stop. Shame on you...

Shame on them for sure ! But, you can guess the type who buys into the sensationalism.... they live in fear themselves and, don't really want their friends and neighbors here to live fear free. If they are too fearful, even while using reasonable precautions, they want everyone else also inside and isolated from friends, wasting away what should be the best of their last years. Another horror story ? Heard on the news last night 70,000 + Americans have died prematurely in the last eight months of opioid related drugs ! ! Anyone loosing sleep and not seeing loved ones due to that ?

[skarra]

I don't fear Covid-19, and don't live my life like it might kill me, but I do recognize that it could leave me with health issues further down the line hence as much as I don't generally do flu vaccines I might do this one when it's available.

But I do respect that others may not be as healthy as me, or are fearful or the virus, and so in consideration I will wear a mask wherever I can. No big deal - it's an easy ask. I don't feel like it infringes upon my liberties in any way. And if it can slow down the spread and get us to the other side of this quicker, then it's a no brainer IMO.

Folks who won't wear one in a store for example make no sense to me. It should be a courtesy - claiming that they cannot for health reasons seems pure BS.

It would seem that working together on eradicating this thing is in all of our best interests. The story is helpful because it helps me understand where people are coming from. I understand the fear - I don't understand the BS about not being able to wear a mask or socially distance where possible.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Last I heard, there will be no more shutdowns in Florida and no mask mandates.

Stores generally have a policy to request that masks be worn but will stop short of enforcing that policy.

Certain health conditions make mask wearing very difficult, if not impossible, for some people.

Some people do not cognitively understand what it means to stay 6 feet away from others. They aren't defiant, they legitimately can't judge the distance.

Sometimes people momentarily forget the rules and may pop into the store w/o a mask or walk to close to you.

When you are in public you have to be patient and when you place yourself around others you have to accept a certain amount of risk by doing so.

Yes, it is possible to die a terrible death from Covid. We get it. Thankfully, that is not at all typical.

In other words, everyone who is concerned for public health and safety, are just the minority because there are SO many special snowflakes who should be exempt, that there's no point in even trying. Right?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't fear Covid-19, and don't live my life like it might kill me, but I do recognize that it could leave me with health issues further down the line hence as much as I don't generally do flu vaccines I might do this one when it's available.

But I do respect that others may not be as healthy as me, or are fearful or the virus, and so in consideration I will wear a mask wherever I can. No big deal - it's an easy ask. I don't feel like it infringes upon my liberties in any way. And if it can slow down the spread and get us to the other side of this quicker, then it's a no brainer IMO.

Folks who won't wear one in a store for example make no sense to me. It should be a courtesy - claiming that they cannot for health reasons seems pure BS.

It would seem that working together on eradicating this thing is in all of our best interests. The story is helpful because it helps me understand where people are coming from. I understand the fear - I don't understand the BS about not being able to wear a mask or socially distance where possible.

I also know that while I feel fine, and don't intend to get tested, I COULD easily be a carrier, spreading the sickness to others. And I would really not want to discover that I'm responsible for someone ELSE getting sick, even though I feel fine.

The reason I think it's such a concern though, is because it burdens SO many people. I read some of these posts saying "I don't know anyone affected." And you are all just SO wrong.

You might not know anyone who is SICK. But you know someone who's cousin is sick. or whose daughter's boyfriend's mother died. Or whose housekeeper's grandson has had to work overtime at the hospital because there aren't enough nurses to handle the current influx of people needing hospitalization. And I'm not talking about JUST people with Covid-19. No - those are certainly not the worst problems at the hospitals. Gunshots and heart attacks are worse, of course. But the Covid patients are taking up a lot of space in those hospitals that are now not available for more dire needs.

Did you have to have your yearly checkup via Zoom or some other video chat? If you have, that's because of COVID so yes - you were affected.

Do you have to stand outside the eyeglass place until someone inside leaves, because they're still limiting the number of people allowed in? Then yes - you were affected.

Did your grandkids have to not come to visit, because their state requires them to quarantine for two weeks when they return? Did your mother living in another country have to not come visit, because her country wouldn't let her back in if she travels to the USA? Then yes - you were affected.

The sooner we can get this managed, the better. Because whether you choose to admit it or not, you ARE affected by this virus in one way or another. And the sooner you admit it, acknowledge it, and deal with it, the sooner we can return to something resembling normal again.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Dont forget that 270,000 families know someone who died from COVID19. You are one of the lucky ones not included in that number.

[Byte1]

Shame on them for sure ! But, you can guess the type who buys into the sensationalism.... they live in fear themselves and, don't really want their friends and neighbors here to live fear free. If they are too fearful, even while using reasonable precautions, they want everyone else also inside and isolated from friends, wasting away what should be the best of their last years. Another horror story ? Heard on the news last night 70,000 + Americans have died prematurely in the last eight months of opioid related drugs ! ! Anyone loosing sleep and not seeing loved ones due to that ?

AHA! Covid related deaths. No doubt they have already been added to the list.

[Velvet]

While I feel horrible that this scenario is possible for some...I know MANY people who have had, and recovered from Coronavirus, and all were able to stay in their houses, and have fully recovered. To put out this horrifying post does nothing but continue to terrify those who are already terrified. Stop. Shame on you...

No, I don’t think so. There are over 250,000 people who have actually gone through it. There are more than 250,000 people who would be very happy to be terrified rather than dead.

[F&L-NH]

No ! Anything YOU do that minimizes the virus’s impact makes YOU the problem.

[golfing eagles]

No, I don’t think so. There are over 250,000 people who have actually gone through it. There are more than 250,000 people who would be very happy to be terrified rather than dead.

Sorry my friend, but nowhere near 250,000 have gone through the scenario in the OP. Nowhere near 250,000 have even died OF the virus, there are simply 250,000 who died of whatever cause and tested positive, some of them were trauma cases, terminal cancer, cardiovascular events, etc. Tremendous financial incentive for hospitals to code CV-19 as the COD. I doubt we will ever get accurate numbers. But it is interesting that the number of deaths, all causes, in the US month by month has not increased over the average since this pandemic began. This implies that the number of COVID deaths is statistically minimal, and just the cause on the paperwork has been shifted from what it really is to COVID

[golfing eagles]

No ! Anything YOU do that minimizes the virus’s impact makes YOU the problem.

This is a serious worldwide health concern and shouldn't be "minimized" Likewise, the sky is not falling and the media should not be sensationalizing it and "maximizing" it either. Amazing how many people can be controlled with just a little fear----Danke Herr Himmler!

[Spalumbos62]

Your mother is the only one here with a brain. Its not a made up story and NOT a flu. Open your eyes people.. do you really think this can't happen to you?

[Gulfcoast]

On a positive note, it looks like a vaccine could be released and available in Florida by the end of December. I'm guessing that healthcare workers, the elderly and those with serious health issues will be the first ones to be offered the vaccine. Hospitals are already being lined up to receive and distribute it.

[jimjamuser]

CV deaths are decreasing in Florida.
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The TREND, my friend. The CV TREND nationwide is NOT your friend.

[jimjamuser]

not so. only last week did i hear about cuomo wanting people to report their neighbors if they saw celebrations of over 10. it's no lie. & no, i didn't see it on fox,...and it's only a conspiracy until documents show up to prove it
If you saw a crack house operating in your neighborhood, YOU would report it - and you would be correct to do your civil duty. It is the same with extra-large parties that are "super spreaders" of this deadly Virus. There was a house party in NYC with 400 young people with no masks on, spreading the CV. Would you report that? Yes, you would! In Rhode Island, there are ZERO beds available! The US is on an EMERGENCY footing - hospital space and Medical Health care are evaporating rapidly in many parts of the US. I, for one, am glad that ONE Governor is looking out for his state. You may not LIKE Gov. Cuomo, but he IS doing his best to publicize the fact that Thanksgiving parties WILL cause increased cases and DEATHS. That IS his job - to protect the people of NY State!

[jimjamuser]

Another 100+ post thread about the Covid-19 virus. Raise your hand if this one finally made you change your mind or position about the virus. If not I'm sure there will be another thread along in a day or two that won't change your mind either..
People EVOLVE in their thinking as more and more FACTS come into play. For example, CV - Australia and Japan have done better than the US because they have a HISTORY of fighting Asian Pandemics - the US has avoided one for a 100 years - Asian has not been THAT lucky! Attitudes toward seat belts and speed bumps WERE (past tense) the SAME as attitudes toward mask-wearing in the US are today. That will EVOLVE until such time as a vaccine is accepted by 80% or 90% of US citizens - getting the ANTI-vaccinators on board will also be an exercise in "herding cats"!

[jimjamuser]

Sure Covid “coded” deaths continue to be added to the total. Doesn’t it strike you as strange that the 265,000 Covid coded deaths hasn’t effected the death rate in 2020? Maybe it’s because most would have died from their existing health issues. According to the CDC, only 15,000 Covid deaths did not include other health factors ...
Does it NOT strike people as strange that the hospitals around the US are overflowing with patients and nurses are crying on TV and suffering BURNOUT. That was NOT happening before CV. - and the MORGUE trucks were NOT lining up before CV. Modern history will call this period before CV and after CV - it is THAT important - it can't be IGNORED!

[jimjamuser]

I also know that while I feel fine, and don't intend to get tested, I COULD easily be a carrier, spreading the sickness to others. And I would really not want to discover that I'm responsible for someone ELSE getting sick, even though I feel fine.

The reason I think it's such a concern though, is because it burdens SO many people. I read some of these posts saying "I don't know anyone affected." And you are all just SO wrong.

You might not know anyone who is SICK. But you know someone who's cousin is sick. or whose daughter's boyfriend's mother died. Or whose housekeeper's grandson has had to work overtime at the hospital because there aren't enough nurses to handle the current influx of people needing hospitalization. And I'm not talking about JUST people with Covid-19. No - those are certainly not the worst problems at the hospitals. Gunshots and heart attacks are worse, of course. But the Covid patients are taking up a lot of space in those hospitals that are now not available for more dire needs.

Did you have to have your yearly checkup via Zoom or some other video chat? If you have, that's because of COVID so yes - you were affected.

Do you have to stand outside the eyeglass place until someone inside leaves, because they're still limiting the number of people allowed in? Then yes - you were affected.

Did your grandkids have to not come to visit, because their state requires them to quarantine for two weeks when they return? Did your mother living in another country have to not come visit, because her country wouldn't let her back in if she travels to the USA? Then yes - you were affected.

The sooner we can get this managed, the better. Because whether you choose to admit it or not, you ARE affected by this virus in one way or another. And the sooner you admit it, acknowledge it, and deal with it, the sooner we can return to something resembling normal again.
This post states REALITY. We are in such an important time period that it will be known as "The pre-COVID period and the after-COVID period!

[Kenswing]

Does it NOT strike people as strange that the hospitals around the US are overflowing with patients and nurses are crying on TV and suffering BURNOUT. That was NOT happening before CV. - and the MORGUE trucks were NOT lining up before CV. Modern history will call this period before CV and after CV - it is THAT important - it can't be IGNORED!
The media shows you what they want you to see and evidently you just eat it up like they want you to.

My wife is a nurse at the hospital that had the first confirmed case of Covid-19 in the country. I asked her if the nurses were burnt out and crying. Her answer was "The last time I saw a nurse cry was when the WOW ran into her shin". Covid patients are just patients that get treated a little differently than the rest. Burnout is a perpetual problem in the medical field. Hospitals almost always work understaffed. Nothing new.

[Swoop]

Does it NOT strike people as strange that the hospitals around the US are overflowing with patients and nurses are crying on TV and suffering BURNOUT. That was NOT happening before CV. - and the MORGUE trucks were NOT lining up before CV. Modern history will call this period before CV and after CV - it is THAT important - it can't be IGNORED!
While I quote facts & statistics you reply with feelings and network news babble. Stop listening to slanted opinions that are presented as news. Here is a link to the actual percentage of available ICU beds in every state in the country. https://healthdata.gov/dataset/covid-19-estimated-patient-impact-and-hospital-capacity-state/resource/82e733c6-7baa-4c65#{currentView:!grid}