Couple arrested for knowingly boarding flight while COVID-19 positive

[La lamy]

This is unconscionable!!! I had to fly here and certainly was worried about someone being asymptomatic on the plane, but would never think someone would willfully do this.

Couple arrested for knowingly boarding flight while COVID-19 positive | TheHill (https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/528493-couple-arrested-for-knowingly-boarding-flight-while-covid-19-positive)

:ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked :

[CWGUY]

This is unconscionable!!! I had to fly here and certainly was worried about someone being asymptomatic on the plane, but would never think someone would willfully do this.

Couple arrested for knowingly boarding flight while COVID-19 positive | TheHill (https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/528493-couple-arrested-for-knowingly-boarding-flight-while-covid-19-positive)

:ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked :

:agree: I agree, it is unconscionable. Now I must(as you like to say "grow a pair") and ask...... why did you have to fly here? Did you not have a choice in the matter? :confused: I know the Canada–United States border is still closed...... that's not what I mean. I'm thinking you came here on vacation because you wanted too. Not because you had too.
My wife is Canadian and we changed our plans to go there this summer. We were also going to visit the grandkids in New York. I know there are rules we can all follow that allow us to travel...... just thought it best for all to cancel.
Anyway, enjoy your vacation and stay safe. :ho:

[Stu from NYC]

This is unconscionable!!! I had to fly here and certainly was worried about someone being asymptomatic on the plane, but would never think someone would willfully do this.

Couple arrested for knowingly boarding flight while COVID-19 positive | TheHill (https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/528493-couple-arrested-for-knowingly-boarding-flight-while-covid-19-positive)

:ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked :

Wow hope they get a few years to consider their actions.

[Velvet]

Honolulu Star Advertiser:

“Wailua residents Wesley Moribe, 41, and Courtney Peterson, 46, were arrested after arriving in Lihue Sunday on a United Airlines flight.

Kauai police said the couple faces charges of reckless endangerment.

“They knowingly boarded a flight aware of their positive COVID-19 test results, placing the passengers of the flight in danger of death,” police said.

According to police, Moribe and Peterson took COVID-19 detection tests before the flight as part of Hawaii’s pre-travel testing program. Authorities at San Francisco International Airport took the couple to quarantine after they both tested positive for COVID-19 and told them not to fly.

Instead, the couple ignored the order and boarded the plane with their son, authorities said.”

And according to the airlines this is not the first time that this has happened. I wonder why the Airline Authorities did not stop these people from boarding? Will they be charged with attempted murder?

[graciegirl]

This is unconscionable!!! I had to fly here and certainly was worried about someone being asymptomatic on the plane, but would never think someone would willfully do this.

Couple arrested for knowingly boarding flight while COVID-19 positive | TheHill (https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/528493-couple-arrested-for-knowingly-boarding-flight-while-covid-19-positive)

:ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked :

That is so awful to hear. I am sure I personally do not know ANYONE that would do that. I hope that by luck or grace of God that those folks on the airplane stayed well.

[charmed59]

What really amazing about this is this couple, who lives on an island, is willing to put themselves on a no fly list in order to get home sooner. Now they may never get to leave.

[La lamy]

:agree: I agree, it is unconscionable. Now I must(as you like to say "grow a pair") and ask...... why did you have to fly here? Did you not have a choice in the matter? :confused: I know the Canada–United States border is still closed...... that's not what I mean. I'm thinking you came here on vacation because you wanted too. Not because you had too.
My wife is Canadian and we changed our plans to go there this summer. We were also going to visit the grandkids in New York. I know there are rules we can all follow that allow us to travel...... just thought it best for all to cancel.
Anyway, enjoy your vacation and stay safe. :ho:

I know I didn't "have" to fly here, but Medipac health insurance decided to cover Canadians going to the US for Covid, so that was my deciding factor.

[La lamy]

What really amazing about this is this couple, who lives on an island, is willing to put themselves on a no fly list in order to get home sooner. Now they may never get to leave.

Good point!

[Velvet]

What really amazing about this is this couple, who lives on an island, is willing to put themselves on a no fly list in order to get home sooner. Now they may never get to leave.

They may never get to leave anyways if Covid gets them first. But they sure weren’t concerned for the innocent others. They are flying to Kauai... those people are serious about this virus.

[HeleneGB]

Why didn't airline prevent them from boarding? Airline just as guilty as couple.

[Girlcopper]

I know I didn't "have" to fly here, but Medipac health insurance decided to cover Canadians going to the US for Covid, so that was my deciding factor.
Thats a poor choice. Since insurance will pay your medical bills, you decided to chance getting the virus?

[NotFromAroundHere]

why didn't airline prevent them from boarding? Airline just as guilty as couple.

hipaa?

[Art cov]

Why didn't airline prevent them from boarding? Airline just as guilty as couple.

Yes! This is insane, as the couple was pre screened before boarding. Airline is responsible! The couple also in this environment. Hawaii is one of the strictest place but if they slipped some cash to the right person or knew someone of importance in San Francisco, somebody may have turned the other way! And away they went. Just how did they board? They were screened!

[daca55]

This is unconscionable!!! I had to fly here and certainly was worried about someone being asymptomatic on the plane, but would never think someone would willfully do this.

Couple arrested for knowingly boarding flight while COVID-19 positive | TheHill (https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/528493-couple-arrested-for-knowingly-boarding-flight-while-covid-19-positive)

:ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked :

I’m not surprised. People today think only about themselves. It’s unfortunate but it is reality. I think there may be some law suits from people who end up with the virus because of that flight. A very good friend of mine used to always remind me that “all the monkeys are not in the zoo because everyday you meet quite a few”.Be safe!!

[SisalPhil]

Unfortunately nothing surprises me anymore.

[Dahabs]

This is unconscionable!!! I had to fly here and certainly was worried about someone being asymptomatic on the plane, but would never think someone would willfully do this.

Couple arrested for knowingly boarding flight while COVID-19 positive | TheHill (https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/528493-couple-arrested-for-knowingly-boarding-flight-while-covid-19-positive)

:ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked :

Just another example of what much of society has become. Many are only concerned with themselves.

[Bill14564]

Yes! This is insane, as the couple was pre screened before boarding. Airline is responsible! The couple also in this environment. Hawaii is one of the strictest place but if they slipped some cash to the right person or knew someone of importance in San Francisco, somebody may have turned the other way! And away they went. Just how did they board? They were screened!

Carried extra cash on the chance they might run into trouble they could slip it to someone and get home. Yeah, that could be it.

Or, they went tested at the airport and advised to report to a quarantine center but got onto the plane instead and no one noticed they weren't at the center until after the plane departed.

Or, perhaps there is more to the story that hasn't appeared in the papers yet.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

I have traveled by plane this year and I plan to fly over Christmas. If I develop any cold or flu symptoms, I will not fly. I always wear a mask - that includes when I travel. Do I worry if I sit next to someone with COVID? No - because I am taking (and have been taking for decades) personal precautions - and (knock on wood) - I am not aware of any health issues I may be presently suffering from - I could exercise a lot more and drink more water - but, my weight is normal (because of **hard work and personal sacrifice ** on my own behalf) and I have only digested only 100% natural foods for decades - I don’t drink alcohol and have never smoked or kept myself in close proximity of anyone who is smoking. I have regular checkups and blood tests. I am far from perfect - but, I do not feel the least bit threatened by COVID. I think - I have mostly done - and I am doing (have been doing) the right things in life with respect to maintenance and care of the body I have been blessed with. You can shame others to your heart’s content for putting your health in jeopardy ..... but, look in the mirror - really, the only one that we can truly hold responsible for our health - is ourselves. I worry all the time of the poor decisions I made many, many years ago in my youth - will my past poor decisions eventually manifest into severe health complications? (If and when that happens - i only have myself to blame) .... I worry about any inherited health issues (but, if and when those manifest - I only have the genes I have inherited to blame) ..... but, I can’t blame and hold strangers accountable for whether I suffer complications from things like COVID. We tend to want to blame others for anything bad that happens to us. Sure - that may be true in some cases - but more often than not - in retrospect - if WE had done something different in our lives - the bad thing would not be a threat. Take care of the body that you have been blessed with - and keep in mind - if **YOU** can’t do what is best for your body ****— if *YOU* have not always done the 100% best thing for *YOUR* body - why do you think you have the right to demand others - total strangers - to do what is in the best interest of the health of your body?*****

[JanetMM]

Unfortunately nothing surprises me anymore.

Oooh my! 😯

Every time I have said that nothing surprises me anymore, it’s like FATE decides to prove me wrong. And somebody does something even more startling!

I hope you just didn’t tempt fate to prove you wrong. 😉

[Jazzman]

Carried extra cash on the chance they might run into trouble they could slip it to someone and get home. Yeah, that could be it.

Or, they went tested at the airport and advised to report to a quarantine center but got onto the plane instead and no one noticed they weren't at the center until after the plane departed.

Or, perhaps there is more to the story that hasn't appeared in the papers yet.

In my opinion your last sentence sums it all up pretty concisely. No one should ever base their current COVID result on just one test, most certainly if it was the rapid test.

[cafw1]

Good point!
The borders between the US and Canada are closed. Are you telling us that you're flying into the US to get around the laws and then complaining about others also breaking the laws? You're both doing wrong. This year we shouldn't see any Canadian plates on cars.

[dkspeaks]

hope they are banded for life on United

[Bill14564]

The borders between the US and Canada are closed. Are you telling us that you're flying into the US to get around the laws and then complaining about others also breaking the laws? You're both doing wrong. This year we shouldn't see any Canadian plates on cars.

Please do more research before accusing someone of breaking the law.

[giorgio1948]

This is unconscionable!!! I had to fly here and certainly was worried about someone being asymptomatic on the plane, but would never think someone would willfully do this.

Couple arrested for knowingly boarding flight while COVID-19 positive | TheHill (https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/528493-couple-arrested-for-knowingly-boarding-flight-while-covid-19-positive)

:ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked :
May they both rest in peace and never fly that airline again.

[BS Beef]

I’m sorry some here are insisting you justify how you choose to live. I’m conflicted on whether that’s more pathetic or more disgusting.

[moe1212]

terribly irresponsible for anyone that is legitimately sick (of anything) to expose other people. However at their age they will not die and most likely wont even have any serious symptoms. I worry about the over 80 year old's or vulnerable immune systems, (who should be self quarantined), that may have been exposed. Now that I think about it, wouldn't make sense to have the vulnerable stay safe and let the majority of society go about their business?

[NY2TV]

When I flew to NY recently, I filled out a questionnaire that simply asked if I had been tested for Covid 19, but didn't ask if I tested negative. How absurd.

[moe1212]

Kind of reminds me of the amusement parks. I am sure we all are aware of the height requirement to get on the scary rides. If you are two small you cant ride, its too dangerous. If you are tall enough go for it ,your choice). I have never seen the entire amusement park shut down in order to protect the few.

[Topspinmo]

hipaa?

Hipaa :1rotfl: everybody can get my medical records but me. I have to paid for my own records.

[Joe C.]

I'll bet that nobody who flew with them on that plane will "die" from Covid. There is way too much "deadly hype" about Covid. We are becoming an emasculated society.

[pattytracey]

Not a problem 99 percent recovery rate no worries

[airstreamingypsy]

I'm not surprised. When I see people in Publix without a mask, I think they are exactly the same as this couple. They feel self entitled, and don't care if there are consequences to their me me me adolescent behavior.

[Dahabs]

Not a problem 99 percent recovery rate no worries

Perhaps, but what do you do if you have a medical emergency unrelated to Covid and hospitals cannot admit you because all beds are taken up with Covid patients? No worries? Or perhaps you are just being facetious.

[cafw1]

Please do more research before accusing someone of breaking the law.
Please reread what I actually wrote. I didn't say they are breaking the law. They are "skirting" the law and looking for loopholes.

[Jerry Leinsing]

Look at Safe Ship story on todays D
aily Sun Local News . Three wearing and 1 customer on left not wearing mask. Where is “No shirt, no shoes, no mask = no service”?

[Bill14564]

Please reread what I actually wrote. I didn't say they are breaking the law. They are "skirting" the law and looking for loopholes.

Again, doing more research would be useful. There are no laws against Canadians flying into the US. Therefore, there is no "skirting."

I don't see how you can interpret this:
...complaining about others also breaking the laws? You're both doing wrong...
as anything other than an accusation that a law was broken and the action was wrong. Neither is necessarily true.

[rmd2]

When the airport personnel found out they were positive for COVID, they should have called health officials to take them or at least escorted them out of the airport. I don't know what the process should have been but they should not have been allowed to stay in the airport.

[manaboutown]

Photos of the dirtbags. Couple arrested after boarding plane to Hawaii knowing they were infected with COVID-19, police say (https://www.q13fox.com/news/couple-arrested-after-boarding-plane-to-hawaii-knowing-they-were-infected-with-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR2OP_k3X9Dp4y0FDoSMZNDhTylKrF1bmX8o1c mGoG-QYwWthf4qJkRPShs)

[jimjamuser]

This is unconscionable!!! I had to fly here and certainly was worried about someone being asymptomatic on the plane, but would never think someone would willfully do this.

Couple arrested for knowingly boarding flight while COVID-19 positive | TheHill (https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/528493-couple-arrested-for-knowingly-boarding-flight-while-covid-19-positive)

:ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked::ohdear::shocked :
We live in a "greed is good" type of world right now. It could take years to go back to a truly humanitarian world in the US. We are scarred. What you describe is the ULTIMATE "greed" - being willing to KILL others just to have convenient travel for themselves. ........the Fish is Rotting to its Core ! Just further evidence that we live in a pre and a post CV world. Will we EVER truly return to "NORMAL" ?

[Velvet]

We live in a "greed is good" type of world right now. It could take years to go back to a truly humanitarian world in the US. We are scarred. What you describe is the ULTIMATE "greed" - being willing to KILL others just to have convenient travel for themselves. ........the Fish is Rotting to its Core ! Just further evidence that we live in a pre and a post CV world. Will we EVER truly return to "NORMAL" ?

Yes we will. Human kindness is legendary. It has not gone away. There is just an emphasis on the immediate dangers we are facing right now. Normal will return. But for me it’s going to be a lot better because we used to have colds and flus and stomach aches several times a year. Well, not this year! My home has never been cleaner.

We have always had “Judas” es and always will. It is possible the couple was ignorant rather than just being plain evil. These types of people have always been among us.

[jimjamuser]

:agree: I agree, it is unconscionable. Now I must(as you like to say "grow a pair") and ask...... why did you have to fly here? Did you not have a choice in the matter? :confused: I know the Canada–United States border is still closed...... that's not what I mean. I'm thinking you came here on vacation because you wanted too. Not because you had too.
My wife is Canadian and we changed our plans to go there this summer. We were also going to visit the grandkids in New York. I know there are rules we can all follow that allow us to travel...... just thought it best for all to cancel.
Anyway, enjoy your vacation and stay safe. :ho:
Strange to attack the messenger. The message is about the callous and deadly dangerous indifference shown by the couple with the CV.

[tophcfa]

Strange to attack the messenger. The message is about the callous and deadly dangerous indifference shown by the couple with the CV.
Not just strange, but downright sad. That’s what that particular poster does, attack people who ask reasonable questions or try to share interesting information. The poster obviously dislikes Villagers who are not full time residents and somehow thinks that if you own a second home, you are going on Vacation when you are at your Villages home.

[Velvet]

Canada-U.S. land-border closure has been extended to Dec. 21 - the air border, ie. flights, have never been closed. The OP is well within her rights to fly always was.

[jimjamuser]

That is so awful to hear. I am sure I personally do not know ANYONE that would do that. I hope that by luck or grace of God that those folks on the airplane stayed well.
"ANYONE" locally walking around INDOORS anywhere like Walmart, Publix, Home Depot, or even a church is endangering others if they are NOT following CDC guidelines for CV, one of which is the wearing of a mask. We do NOT have universal testing in the US because the DPA has YET to be enacted - we don't have enough testing materials and equipment today. Therefore, no one knows who is CV positive. Doctors say it is best to just ASSUME that every human you walk by has CV. In the near future, we will get "at home", inexpensive tests. People breaking CDC guidelines locally are, to me, just as bad as the lawbreakers going on an aircraft flight. The ONLY difference is that the Airline Industry has the power and the will to make it an arrestable LAW. Locally we are NOT afforded those RIGHTS. Why are Airlines ANY different than ANY indoor situation. And please - I know about air recirculation - the air terminals where you wait are REALLY contagious also. The difference is the POWER and the WILL !

[jimjamuser]

I know I didn't "have" to fly here, but Medipac health insurance decided to cover Canadians going to the US for Covid, so that was my deciding factor.
You are NOT the villain in this small drama.

[graciegirl]

Not a problem 99 percent recovery rate no worries

That is true. However, most of the people who have died from it are the age of people living in The Villages. If a person who is eighty years old contracts the disease, everyone should be very worried. It is not wrong to see the risk and do things to protect yourself and those you love. Many people will not decide to get the vaccine. That is their choice.

I will be first in line for many, many, many, many, many reasons.

I chose this because the information is easy to understand.

COVID-19 Deaths by Age | The Heritage Foundation (https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/)

[davem4616]

this couple takes selfishness to another level entirely

wow

for this very reason I will not fly until long after 70+% of the world has been given the vaccine

[jimjamuser]

I have traveled by plane this year and I plan to fly over Christmas. If I develop any cold or flu symptoms, I will not fly. I always wear a mask - that includes when I travel. Do I worry if I sit next to someone with COVID? No - because I am taking (and have been taking for decades) personal precautions - and (knock on wood) - I am not aware of any health issues I may be presently suffering from - I could exercise a lot more and drink more water - but, my weight is normal (because of **hard work and personal sacrifice ** on my own behalf) and I have only digested only 100% natural foods for decades - I don’t drink alcohol and have never smoked or kept myself in close proximity of anyone who is smoking. I have regular checkups and blood tests. I am far from perfect - but, I do not feel the least bit threatened by COVID. I think - I have mostly done - and I am doing (have been doing) the right things in life with respect to maintenance and care of the body I have been blessed with. You can shame others to your heart’s content for putting your health in jeopardy ..... but, look in the mirror - really, the only one that we can truly hold responsible for our health - is ourselves. I worry all the time of the poor decisions I made many, many years ago in my youth - will my past poor decisions eventually manifest into severe health complications? (If and when that happens - i only have myself to blame) .... I worry about any inherited health issues (but, if and when those manifest - I only have the genes I have inherited to blame) ..... but, I can’t blame and hold strangers accountable for whether I suffer complications from things like COVID. We tend to want to blame others for anything bad that happens to us. Sure - that may be true in some cases - but more often than not - in retrospect - if WE had done something different in our lives - the bad thing would not be a threat. Take care of the body that you have been blessed with - and keep in mind - if **YOU** can’t do what is best for your body ****— if *YOU* have not always done the 100% best thing for *YOUR* body - why do you think you have the right to demand others - total strangers - to do what is in the best interest of the health of your body?*****
Goody, Goody - a True Confessions Drama. The CDC recommendations say nothing about how much water someone should drink or youthful indiscretions. - The CDC guidelines say that ONLY unavoidable professional and business travel should take place over the Holidays. The CDC is TRYING to keep people safe and alive. 40% of their audience (Americans) ignored Science and traveled for PLEASURE only over Thanksgiving. We will SOON see an uptick!

[Byte1]

"ANYONE" locally walking around INDOORS anywhere like Walmart, Publix, Home Depot, or even a church is endangering others if they are NOT following CDC guidelines for CV, one of which is the wearing of a mask. We do NOT have universal testing in the US because the DPA has YET to be enacted - we don't have enough testing materials and equipment today. Therefore, no one knows who is CV positive. Doctors say it is best to just ASSUME that every human you walk by has CV. In the near future, we will get "at home", inexpensive tests. People breaking CDC guidelines locally are, to me, just as bad as the lawbreakers going on an aircraft flight. The ONLY difference is that the Airline Industry has the power and the will to make it an arrestable LAW. Locally we are NOT afforded those RIGHTS. Why are Airlines ANY different than ANY indoor situation. And please - I know about air recirculation - the air terminals where you wait are REALLY contagious also. The difference is the POWER and the WILL !

Oh my! The sky is still falling and the end is near. More glass half empty, or in some cases completely empty by some folks view.

[Byte1]

Goody, Goody - a True Confessions Drama. The CDC recommendations say nothing about how much water someone should drink or youthful indiscretions. - The CDC guidelines say that ONLY unavoidable professional and business travel should take place over the Holidays. The CDC is TRYING to keep people safe and alive. 40% of their audience (Americans) ignored Science and traveled for PLEASURE only over Thanksgiving. We will SOON see an uptick!

Seems like someone said that about the Trump rally also. How did that go?

[jimjamuser]

I'll bet that nobody who flew with them on that plane will "die" from Covid. There is way too much "deadly hype" about Covid. We are becoming an emasculated society.
Humans have evolved with "fight or flight" awareness. Both are needed in this current Plague. It has nothing to do with "Macho" or bravery. Just accumulation of knowledge to allow for good decisions.

[graciegirl]

I see some posting here that says one thing and means another. It is so easy for most of us to see bantering for position and power of "smartness". That may appear to be feeling toward others, but it is not.

Mean people say kind things but perceptive people can see they really don' t mean them kindly.

[golfing eagles]

When the airport personnel found out they were positive for COVID, they should have called health officials to take them or at least escorted them out of the airport. I don't know what the process should have been but they should not have been allowed to stay in the airport.

Nothing in the story states the airline or airport KNEW these two were positive. They might have been tested at Walgreen's, so don't be so quick to judge the airport.

[jimjamuser]

Yes we will. Human kindness is legendary. It has not gone away. There is just an emphasis on the immediate dangers we are facing right now. Normal will return. But for me it’s going to be a lot better because we used to have colds and flus and stomach aches several times a year. Well, not this year! My home has never been cleaner.

We have always had “Judas” es and always will. It is possible the couple was ignorant rather than just being plain evil. These types of people have always been among us.
That was a good, thoughtful post. You MAY(?) be 100% right, I hope you are. I, personally, feel that we are in a Historically pivotal period (not just if or when we get a vaccine). As a small example, we have ALL gotten used to having Amazone Prime deliver to our door all manner of goods and services. We will never go back to the pre-CV period as it applies to that type of CONVENIENT home delivery. I could list BIG cultural changes that are just beginning, but I won't.

I will just remind people that the Medical Scientists are saying to EXPECT more Corona Virus types to spring up from China or other places - it is a consequence of the Global Economy, which is NOT going away.

[Velvet]

Ah, Jim, you mean progress? Well that is true, there will always be progress, not always for the better. I thought you meant human selfishness, which has always been there.

[Byte1]

The folks that travel by plane are always taking a chance of contracting some illness. However, in this case those travelers are counting on the airlines to provide them with safe passage. Yes, it is their choice as to whether or not to take the chance of being enclosed in a system that recirculates the air, but likely as not they believe that if the airlines KNOWS that someone is positive with the virus, the airlines would prohibit those infected from boarding. With the limited information available, it does seem like the airlines could be held liable to being sued. However, I would be interested in seeing what happens to those two that tested positive, IF they do not become ill and if they test negative after being arrested. Proving the "endangering" charge is not a cut and dry conviction. I can not defend this couple for seemingly endangering others on the plane, just wondering what possesses folks like this.
And I do not equate that to those that go maskless in grocery stores. There is absolutely no comparison. The only way you could compare a mask-less person to that would be if they knowingly tested positive for the virus before entering the store.
Don't you think it is time to quit vilifying those that choose not to wear their masks? It doesn't bother me to see them when I am wearing mine in the store. Is it because some are upset because others do something and they can't? Since I do not even have a minute of close proximity with anyone when shopping, I do not worry about contacting the virus from anyone, even if they are infected. This has nothing to do with flying in a closed environment such as a plane with folks that are known to be positive for the virus, whether infected or not.
Lets hope that virus panic does not result in virtual lynchings.

[jimjamuser]

Yes we will. Human kindness is legendary. It has not gone away. There is just an emphasis on the immediate dangers we are facing right now. Normal will return. But for me it’s going to be a lot better because we used to have colds and flus and stomach aches several times a year. Well, not this year! My home has never been cleaner.

We have always had “Judas” es and always will. It is possible the couple was ignorant rather than just being plain evil. These types of people have always been among us.
Human kindness IS legendary, but so is "man's inhumanity to man". MLK said that the arc of history is upward to the good. But, we know that there are bumps along that road.

[Byte1]

Nothing in the story states the airline or airport KNEW these two were positive. They might have been tested at Walgreen's, so don't be so quick to judge the airport.

Good point, but it makes me wonder how they were arrested after they deplaned at their destination IF the airlines did not know. The article states: "Before boarding the flight, the couple had reportedly tested positive for the illness while going through pre-travel screenings." So, the question remains; did the airlines know BEFORE they boarded or not? Seems like the purpose of pre-screening is to find out if they are a danger. The article does not mention how they were able to board after being screened.

[graciegirl]

Good point, but it makes me wonder how they were arrested after they deplaned at their destination IF the airlines did not know. The article states: "Before boarding the flight, the couple had reportedly tested positive for the illness while going through pre-travel screenings." So, the question remains; did the airlines know BEFORE they boarded or not? Seems like the purpose of pre-screening is to find out if they are a danger. The article does not mention how they were able to board after being screened.

It is confusing. It may be the way it was reported.

Most know what is right and wrong. At least most folks old enough to live in The Villages do. Our mothers told us, time and time again when we were home with them all summer and before and after school. Our mothers embarrassed us in front of the grocery store manager if we tried to take candy. Our mothers guilted us over the starving kids in Africa. Now children are placed with "well educated" people who the parents wouldn't trust their fancy new car with.

Most of us know what we should do. Especially if we are older. Unless we have sociopathic tendencies.

[jimjamuser]

Seems like someone said that about the Trump rally also. How did that go?
The Sturgis motorcycle rally was partially outside and DID cause a recorded uptick in CV for those participants. It was a SUPER SPREADER event - as was recent political events without CDC guidelines adhered to. The Dakota area and surrounding states have a 40% positivity rate and their hospitals are overwhelmed. The recent rally near the was just NOT studied like the Sturgis event so NO conclusions can be drawn. But, as of today, CV is spreading in TV Land and the invading hordes from the northern mid-west will eventually cause a spike and the 40% unnecessary Thanksgiving travel will also cause a spike here. Also, Pa., NY State, and other Northeast areas are spiking in daily cases. And, if truth be told All the Medical Scientists are saying and warning that "The Sky really is Falling" in a metaphysical way! It is JUST that 1/2 of US citizens are DENYING Science and listening to the "Gods of Happy Talk" - and this to the DETRIMENT of the health and wealth of the country. In TV Land the denying percentage is higher - around 70%, it seems?

[jimjamuser]

Ah, Jim, you mean progress? Well that is true, there will always be progress, not always for the better. I thought you meant human selfishness, which has always been there.
And I agree with you basically. I think that The US should NOT judge itself on Gross National Product, but rather QUALITY OF LIFE - as measured against other nations. The Scandinavian Countries are in the top 10. The US is around 30th or so. Happiness and long life are to be respected. And when the US could climb up into the top 10, then I will be more positive and respectful toward American values and leadership. (if only I could live THAT long)!

[Byte1]

The Sturgis motorcycle rally was partially outside and DID cause a recorded uptick in CV for those participants. It was a SUPER SPREADER event - as was recent political events without CDC guidelines adhered to. The Dakota area and surrounding states have a 40% positivity rate and their hospitals are overwhelmed. The recent rally near the was just NOT studied like the Sturgis event so NO conclusions can be drawn. But, as of today, CV is spreading in TV Land and the invading hordes from the northern mid-west will eventually cause a spike and the 40% unnecessary Thanksgiving travel will also cause a spike here. Also, Pa., NY State, and other Northeast areas are spiking in daily cases. And, if truth be told All the Medical Scientists are saying and warning that "The Sky really is Falling" in a metaphysical way! It is JUST that 1/2 of US citizens are DENYING Science and listening to the "Gods of Happy Talk" - and this to the DETRIMENT of the health and wealth of the country. In TV Land the denying percentage is higher - around 70%, it seems?

More empty glass theme.
I see it differently. I am pragmatic instead of gloom and doom. Not ignoring anything, just living by being careful, not fearful. I prefer to see the light at the end of the tunnel, while CERTAIN folks on here insist it is the end of the world. Stat numbers can be used to prove ANY theme you wish, but the truth is that mankind will keep on keeping on. No one gets out of this alive. Some live short lives unfortunately, and some live long miserable lives, also unfortunately. I prefer to live my life like today might be my last. I figure that at my age, it's a bonus to live past my expiration date. Life is great for some of us, and miserable for those that wish to focus on catastrophes and epidemics. Since I know that there will never be a cure for everything, I do not allow obstacles in life to stop me from moving on.
The point is that I have seen less ambulances running code 4 to the hospital this year than I have in the past several years. Seems good to me. I am seeing less of my friends and family suffering from illnesses than in past years and I refuse to allow politics to alarm or depress me. All of this, and without using any legal or illegal drugs. :clap2:
Life is good, ....no life is great!
Could it be that those that believe in a divinity have more of a propensity for enthusiasm and a positive attitude? Could it be that those with a negative outlook in life see only darkness in their future?
Be safe, but live your life without fear. When this is over, we should celebrate by having a mask burning party. :clap2:

[Byte1]

And I agree with you basically. I think that The US should NOT judge itself on Gross National Product, but rather QUALITY OF LIFE - as measured against other nations. The Scandinavian Countries are in the top 10. The US is around 30th or so. Happiness and long life are to be respected. And when the US could climb up into the top 10, then I will be more positive and respectful toward American values and leadership. (if only I could live THAT long)!

Funny that. You are using someone else's information to dictate how you wish to think of America. On the other hand, I have lived in many countries-- half of my life and I see the opposite of what you believe. I see our country as being on top of the world as to lifestyle. Our poverty rated folks live as well as the European middle class. I see EVERY country attempting to emulate our lifestyle. I see our country spoiled with freedom and liberty and other countries under the thumb of their government. Perhaps some on here NEED a gov nanny?

[ts12755]

Why close the Canadian boarder if thousands of Canadians are flying to the villages and out drinking the night they arrive?

[Byte1]

Why close the Canadian boarder if thousands of Canadians are flying to the villages and out drinking the night they arrive?

The alcohol sterilizes the virus spores from the inside :wine: :beer3:

[Velvet]

Why close the Canadian boarder if thousands of Canadians are flying to the villages and out drinking the night they arrive?

Are they though? Or is this a guess. Could be they are very cautious but trying to avoid the cold inhospitable winter even at the cost of possibly no hospital space available near TV. Personally, I would not be flying at this time for just about any reason.

[golfing eagles]

Good point, but it makes me wonder how they were arrested after they deplaned at their destination IF the airlines did not know. The article states: "Before boarding the flight, the couple had reportedly tested positive for the illness while going through pre-travel screenings." So, the question remains; did the airlines know BEFORE they boarded or not? Seems like the purpose of pre-screening is to find out if they are a danger. The article does not mention how they were able to board after being screened.

Very good question. Their test was not required to board an airplane, it is a requirement of Hawaii (and other states)---show a negative test within 72 hours or quarantine. So possibilities include:

The airline did know and did nothing to stop them (yuk)
The airline only got the info while in flight
They screwed up upon arrival in Hawaii and showed their positive test results

[jimjamuser]

More empty glass theme.
I see it differently. I am pragmatic instead of gloom and doom. Not ignoring anything, just living by being careful, not fearful. I prefer to see the light at the end of the tunnel, while CERTAIN folks on here insist it is the end of the world. Stat numbers can be used to prove ANY theme you wish, but the truth is that mankind will keep on keeping on. No one gets out of this alive. Some live short lives unfortunately, and some live long miserable lives, also unfortunately. I prefer to live my life like today might be my last. I figure that at my age, it's a bonus to live past my expiration date. Life is great for some of us, and miserable for those that wish to focus on catastrophes and epidemics. Since I know that there will never be a cure for everything, I do not allow obstacles in life to stop me from moving on.
The point is that I have seen less ambulances running code 4 to the hospital this year than I have in the past several years. Seems good to me. I am seeing less of my friends and family suffering from illnesses than in past years and I refuse to allow politics to alarm or depress me. All of this, and without using any legal or illegal drugs. :clap2:
Life is good, ....no life is great!
Could it be that those that believe in a divinity have more of a propensity for enthusiasm and a positive attitude? Could it be that those with a negative outlook in life see only darkness in their future?
Be safe, but live your life without fear. When this is over, we should celebrate by having a mask burning party. :clap2:
a mask-burning party ?????? Dream a nice dream for me, please! How "divine" is that? Why do the "divine" spouting types always seem so psychologically needy to me? ARE they selling something to me or to THEMSELVES? If you have a vacuum, I guess, there is a need to fill it. Well, bless their little hearts!

[jimjamuser]

Funny that. You are using someone else's information to dictate how you wish to think of America. On the other hand, I have lived in many countries-- half of my life and I see the opposite of what you believe. I see our country as being on top of the world as to lifestyle. Our poverty rated folks live as well as the European middle class. I see EVERY country attempting to emulate our lifestyle. I see our country spoiled with freedom and liberty and other countries under the thumb of their government. Perhaps some on here NEED a gov nanny?
Quality of life is measured by international standards. One person's opinion is JUST one person (no matter how CONVINCED they are that they are right). Anyone can Google where the US stands and believe me, we are 30th and Sweden, etc. are in the top 10. Check me out on Google. I would not kid you, you are my favorite goat.

[La lamy]

The borders between the US and Canada are closed. Are you telling us that you're flying into the US to get around the laws and then complaining about others also breaking the laws? You're both doing wrong. This year we shouldn't see any Canadian plates on cars.

Flying from Canada to US is legal, it's just driving through the border that isn't. Do you actually think the border control would have let me in otherwise?!!! Please do some homework before you throw out such egrerious accusations.

[La lamy]

Why close the Canadian boarder if thousands of Canadians are flying to the villages and out drinking the night they arrive?

I agree that closing the border to cars (which is a much safer way to travel re Covid) and let people fly (way more risky way for contracting illness), is so bizarre. I don't understand who or why that was decided, but it's pretty absurd in my book. And please believe me, flying here was a very hard decision to make, but the prospect of being in snow all winter with no indoor activities available, was way more disconcerting than trying my luck at flying. And NO I do not, have not and most likely will not be out drinking or even eating out for that matter. It's not nice Canadians like me you have to be concerned about!

[Byte1]

Quality of life is measured by international standards. One person's opinion is JUST one person (no matter how CONVINCED they are that they are right). Anyone can Google where the US stands and believe me, we are 30th and Sweden, etc. are in the top 10. Check me out on Google. I would not kid you, you are my favorite goat.

Ah yes, GOOGLE, ha,ha. Measured by international standards? I think that I will believe my own eyes, rather than Google, ha,ha. I'll take Florida any day of the week over lil' ole Sweden. I think that Florida has about 8.5 million more folks than Sweden, but I am sure that there is not very many Floridians that would migrate to Sweden voluntarily. Of course, being an AMERICAN I guess I am partial to a Free system with less gov. control. But, let's not dwell on politics. Sweden is one of the few countries that I have not lived in or even visited, so I will give it the benefit of possibly being a nice little country. I have been to many countries where folks love their land and people, including communists....so I prefer to use my own judgement to compare living conditions. Of course, they probably do not have the problems we have with the needy folks that believe they are entitled to share other folks labor. And I am sure their schools do not have the problem we have of changing our history, confusion of choosing which bathroom to use, or disparaging of their country by those that have no clue as to how grateful they really should be to be born in the U.S. of A.

I think the subject of this thread (that you strayed from) is regarding a couple being arrested for flying on a plane after testing positive for the virus. Perhaps you wish to compare how they were treated to the possible treatment they would receive in Sweden?

[moe1212]

not afforded the right to arrest people / what on earth are you thinking

[Bay Kid]

I agree that closing the border to cars (which is a much safer way to travel re Covid) and let people fly (way more risky way for contracting illness), is so bizarre. I don't understand who or why that was decided, but it's pretty absurd in my book. And please believe me, flying here was a very hard decision to make, but the prospect of being in snow all winter with no indoor activities available, was way more disconcerting than trying my luck at flying. And NO I do not, have not and most likely will not be out drinking or even eating out for that matter. It's not nice Canadians like me you have to be concerned about!

Sorry, people can be mean. You have all the rights to enjoy this great place as the rest of us.