Single handicap playing Executive Scramble

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[golfing eagles]

Why are women with single digit handicaps allowed to play executive course ladies day scramble? The women who play the scrambles, for the most part don’t have handicaps and if they do, they’re in the double digits.

It’s unfair, to all the other players, for these women to play, because they consistently, win every week. Why is this allowed by The Villages?

These woman, don’t play the Championship Ladies Day, because they play against 25 handicappers and feel it’s unfair. Yet, they’ll take advantage of women, who play executive course scrambles, with no handicaps. It’s not fair and single digit handicappers should not be playing in the Executive Course Scrambles on Wednesday’s.

First, handicaps don't come into play on executive courses
Second, this is America, they can play where they want
Third, the premise that "single digit" handicap would feel it is unfair to play against (true) 25 handicappers is false. I will win most of the time giving strokes to a high handicapper.
Fourth, if it were a championship scramble, the teams would be divided into A,B,C, and D players, but not possible on a exec
Fifth, I would suggest taking lessons and practicing , you might be able to join the group you oppose

[biker1]

To some degree, the same thing happens on Men's Play Day. However, we are talking about $3 so who really cares. Presumably, you play because you enjoy it. If the situation is such that you don't enjoy it anymore then why play? They could, however, make some modifications to the rules. For example, require a minimum of two tee shots per player. Or they could play step aside; if your shot is selected you don't get to make the next shot (typically a putt on the executives). However, since the teams are random, everyone gets a chance to play with the better players and be on the winning team. Scrambles are all about making putts. If you want to win more then practice your putting.

Why are women with single digit handicaps allowed to play executive course ladies day scramble? The women who play the scrambles, for the most part don’t have handicaps and if they do, they’re in the double digits.

It’s unfair, to all the other players, for these women to play, because they consistently, win every week. Why is this allowed by The Villages?

These woman, don’t play the Championship Ladies Day, because they play against 25 handicappers and feel it’s unfair. Yet, they’ll take advantage of women, who play executive course scrambles, with no handicaps. It’s not fair and single digit handicappers should not be playing in the Executive Course Scrambles on Wednesday’s.

[Topspinmo]

Golf along with few other games are the only games you are actually playing against yourself. You have total control over course, the swing, and the thought process. It’s only you that makes bad choices or bad hits. Golf is hard due to many variables. I would suggest play the course and not worry about other players. You know the age old saying? Practice, practice, and more practice. Even then actual competition creates pressure.

[Topspinmo]

First, handicaps don't come into play on executive courses
Second, this is America, they can play where they want
Third, the premise that "single digit" handicap would feel it is unfair to play against (true) 25 handicappers is false. I will win most of the time giving strokes to a high handicapper.
Fourth, if it were a championship scramble, the teams would be divided into A,B,C, and D players, but not possible on a exec
Fifth, I would suggest taking lessons and practicing , you might be able to join the group you oppose

If they are using driver off par three 100 yards or less handicap does come into play :icon_wink:

[golfing eagles]

If they are using driver off par three 100 yards or less handicap does come into play :icon_wink:

You do realize the majority of holes in one published are women inside 100 yards with a driver, usually skulled :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

To some degree, the same thing happens on Men's Play Day. However, we are talking about $3 so who really cares. Presumably, you play because you enjoy it. If the situation is such that you don't enjoy it anymore then why play? They could, however, make some modifications to the rules. For example, require a minimum of two tee shots per player. Or they could play step aside; if your shot is selected you don't get to make the next shot (typically a putt on the executives). However, since the teams are random, everyone gets a chance to play with the better players and be on the winning team. Scrambles are all about making putts. If you want to win more then practice your putting.

Men's day issue is a little different, since we only play one or two scrambles/year and they are divided ABCD. Without calling a potato a potato, prior to the world handicap system, a certain tee color would have 6 or 7 net scores in the 50's. Since the USGA states the odds of beating your handicap by 10 shots is 1 in 640,000, do the math for 7 scores that beat it and draw your own conclusion---I'm not going to use the "S" word

[biker1]

I was referring to Men’s Play Day on the executive courses (weekly on Tuesdays). The OP’s post was about Ladies’ Play Day on executives. I was trying to give her some suggestions. As far as I can tell, Men’s Play Day and Ladies’ Play Day on the executive are run the same way (random teams with gross score).


Men's day issue is a little different, since we only play one or two scrambles/year and they are divided ABCD. Without calling a potato a potato, prior to the world handicap system, a certain tee color would have 6 or 7 net scores in the 50's. Since the USGA states the odds of beating your handicap by 10 shots is 1 in 640,000, do the math for 7 scores that beat it and draw your own conclusion---I'm not going to use the "S" word

[graciegirl]

Golf along with few other games are the only games you are actually playing against yourself. You have total control over course, the swing, and the thought process. It’s only you that makes bad choices or bad hits. Golf is hard due to many variables. I would suggest play the course and not worry about other players. You know the age old saying? Practice, practice, and more practice. Even then actual competition creates pressure.

Well Said!

[golfing eagles]

I was referring to Men’s Play Day on the executive courses (weekly on Tuesdays). The OP’s post was about Ladies’ Play Day on executives. I was trying to give her some suggestions. As far as I can tell, Men’s Play Day and Ladies’ Play Day on the executive are run the same way (random teams with gross score).

Sorry, didn't even consider that

[Marathon Man]

Why are women with single digit handicaps allowed to play executive course ladies day scramble? The women who play the scrambles, for the most part don’t have handicaps and if they do, they’re in the double digits.

It’s unfair, to all the other players, for these women to play, because they consistently, win every week. Why is this allowed by The Villages?

These woman, don’t play the Championship Ladies Day, because they play against 25 handicappers and feel it’s unfair. Yet, they’ll take advantage of women, who play executive course scrambles, with no handicaps. It’s not fair and single digit handicappers should not be playing in the Executive Course Scrambles on Wednesday’s.

Why not start a group and solicit players of "a certain skill level"?

[jebartle]

Why are women with single digit handicaps allowed to play executive course ladies day scramble? The women who play the scrambles, for the most part don’t have handicaps and if they do, they’re in the double digits.

It’s unfair, to all the other players, for these women to play, because they consistently, win every week. Why is this allowed by The Villages?

These woman, don’t play the Championship Ladies Day, because they play against 25 handicappers and feel it’s unfair. Yet, they’ll take advantage of women, who play executive course scrambles, with no handicaps. It’s not fair and single digit handicappers should not be playing in the Executive Course Scrambles on Wednesday’s.

Because we live in America, that's why!

[jebartle]

You do realize the majority of holes in one published are women inside 100 yards with a driver, usually skulled :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I like to refer to it as lawn bowling.

[jebartle]

As a 6 handicap (back in NC), I've always found it MORE CHALLENGING to play folks with a high handicap, BUT that is why we have a handicap system to even the playing field. Golf is such fun, ENJOY and don't sweat the small stuff.

[Rich42]

Oh, I see. If you work hard and become proficient at something you shouldn’t be allowed to participate with those who don’t. Interesting concept.

[Kgcetm]

After reading all of the responses, you might want to consider not complaining or even practicing.

[Two Bills]

As a 6 handicap (back in NC), I've always found it MORE CHALLENGING to play folks with a high handicap, BUT that is why we have a handicap system to even the playing field. Golf is such fun, ENJOY and don't sweat the small stuff.

I love playing with low handicappers.
Raises my game, and when I manage to drag most good players down to my level by my sheer incompetence, I strike!

[UseYourBrain]

I’m not sure why they want to play in an executive course scramble.....but one thought is to have the different handicaps play different tees. Single digit play black. Teens play gold and 20s and above play front tees. Not perfect but helpful and may discourage what is going on. Otherwise, it will be difficult to have a cut off of who can play or not.

[Dgodin]

Why are women with single digit handicaps allowed to play executive course ladies day scramble? The women who play the scrambles, for the most part don’t have handicaps and if they do, they’re in the double digits.

It’s unfair, to all the other players, for these women to play, because they consistently, win every week. Why is this allowed by The Villages?

These woman, don’t play the Championship Ladies Day, because they play against 25 handicappers and feel it’s unfair. Yet, they’ll take advantage of women, who play executive course scrambles, with no handicaps. It’s not fair and single digit handicappers should not be playing in the Executive Course Scrambles on Wednesday’s.
Perhaps they enjoy the social aspects of playing the scramble?

There aren't any medals, money or endorsement deals to be made here. So, enjoy your golf day!

[biker1]

There is some money to be made (actually credit in the pro shops) ;-). Everyone contributes $2 towards the team game and $1 towards closest to the pin (that pays cash!!!)


Perhaps they enjoy the social aspects of playing the scramble?

There aren't any medals, money or endorsement deals to be made here. So, enjoy your golf day!

[yabbadu]

Oh, I see. If you work hard and become proficient at something you shouldn’t be allowed to participate with those who don’t. Interesting concept.


Well stated....The OP apparently unwilling to put the work required to become a single digit handicapper but is willing to complain.

I would gladly play with any Professional to learn.

[cbv0211]

It depends on your perspective. If you think a scramble is a "fun recreation and a great way to meet new friends" then you won't care if you contribute $2 a week and never win. If you play to win the money then there's going to be angst if the same people keep winning and you never win. Personally, I wouldn't play if it was causing me one smidgen of stress or frustration. Organize your own group of similar skilled players and have your own scramble.

[justjim]

OP, your point is well taken for closest to the pin aspect of the ladies day executive golf. A very low handicap golfer obviously has a better chance than a higher handicap golfer for the closer to the pin money. The teams are chosen randomly so you get to play with the low handicap golfers as you are randomly chosen. That said, many moons ago I was President of a men’s golf association where $5 went into the pot for each golfer and believe me I heard complaints almost everyday from some member of our men’s golf association and there were about 100 active members in the league. 95% of the time it was about the money. Jack I would say: “If you won all the money every time you played would that change your lifestyle any?” “No”, they would say. Joe, “Are you still having fun playing?” “Yeah, I guess so”, Joe most of the time he would say. “Joe would you like to be on the association board or run for Vice President next year?” “Hell no” and Joe would turn and go on his merry way. Golf can be frustrating but dealing with a “frustrated golfer” can be more frustrating unless you have a strategy. Fore... (please excuse errors and grammar on my mobile phone and have a nice day). Jim

[Nell57]

I have just a quick observation in support of OP.
Several years ago I played the Wed Ladies Day.
There was always a foursome who managed to “find each other” week after week. They won the money week after week.
After I observed this happen a few times I quit going. It just wasn’t fun anymore

[Mortal1]

I have just a quick observation in support of OP.
Several years ago I played the Wed Ladies Day.
There was always a foursome who managed to “find each other” week after week. They won the money week after week.
After I observed this happen a few times I quit going. It just wasn’t fun anymore

yup...some folks can and do game the system. Personally I take it as a challenge. Others cave and run away.

[Bay Kid]

I have just a quick observation in support of OP.
Several years ago I played the Wed Ladies Day.
There was always a foursome who managed to “find each other” week after week. They won the money week after week.
After I observed this happen a few times I quit going. It just wasn’t fun anymore

It is just funny money.

[JudiK]

how can you possibly have a scramble on a par 3 golf course. I use these courses to practice my short game but can hardly do that in a scramble. Why can't I play my own game when I join groups like SGV or ASGA because I enjoy the people

[CoachKandSportsguy]

many moons ago I was President of a men’s golf association where $5 went into the pot for each golfer and believe me I heard complaints almost everyday from some member of our men’s golf association and there were about 100 active members in the league. 95% of the time it was about the money. Jack I would say: “If you won all the money every time you played would that change your lifestyle any?” “No”, they would say. Joe, “Are you still having fun playing?” “Yeah, I guess so”, Joe most of the time he would say. “Joe would you like to be on the association board or run for Vice President next year?” “Hell no” and Joe would turn and go on his merry way. Golf can be frustrating but dealing with a “frustrated golfer” can be more frustrating unless you have a strategy. Fore...

Another example of the cross section of americana, there are personalities on there and here very representative of those throughout America. Everyone has a perspective and a bias, some noble others not so much.

I have refereed them in amateur soccer leagues. It's never the athlete's fault, always the referee. . . . and the whining!

The Villages and TOTV are no different.

sportsguy

[Love2Swim]

To the original poster, I feel your pain. I have no idea why single digit handicappers would want to play with high handicappers. Where is the sportsmanship? You'd think they would want to play with their own for realistic competition. I'm guessing its about the money, if they consistently win, and to save some money. The championship golf has become very expensive over the years, and playing Ladies day executive is a way to play golf much more cheaply yet have a chance to win something. And they obviously have an advantage in any closest to the pin competition. The only real way to make things fair is to skip ladies day, and try to get together your own group of similiar type players, and have everybody chip in a couple bucks. There are groups like that out there. It certainly would be much more fun.

[rhood]

Handicap has nothing to do with it. The point that the op was making is that a real good player greatly increases the odds that the team that she is on now has a much better chance to win. My neighbor is a good player and doesn't have a handicap and doesn't play champ courses but on mens day at exec courses, he is in the money nearly every week. Nothing wrong with that!

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[John_W]

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[yabbadu]

You can say that again!!

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[golfing eagles]

The issue is, why a single handicapper, would want to play Executive Ladies Day, paying $2.00, and $1.00 for closet to the pin, with a group of 72 women, who for the most part don’t have handicaps. Most of all of these women didn’t start playing golf until they moved to The Villages. Folks who have single handicaps have been playing golf for well over 20 years... The issue is, it uneven’s the playing field and it’s no longer any fun, when the same person places first, week after week. There is no way anyone can gain the skill level of a single handicapper, based on their experience and time playing. Sure if one devoted 8 hrs a day practicing and playing. I’m sure the 72+ Retiree women play for fun and socializing.Playing a scramble where the same people win, week after week, takes fun out of playing.

It’s been said they’re practicing their short game during the scramble. Why not get a group of friends together practice some other time. Why practice on Ladies Day? No one is jealous of their skill, just tired of being used and the fun being taken out of playing executive ladies day. Go play with the big girls, who play at your level.

These single handicappers, just want to be a “big fish” in a small pond. It’s all about EGO and getting their name in print.

Looks like you got your name in print 5 times by posting the same crap over and over. Ladies' day (and men's) are open to everyone. There will always be golfers (and tennis players and bridge players and bowlers) that are better than you, get over it.

[biker1]

If you really are bothered by this then here is my suggestion. As I already stated in a previous post on this thread, the rules could be modified so that a minimum of 2 drives are required by each player. This will essentially water down the advantage of a much better player. I played in numerous non-handicapped scrambles that used this rule. You could make this suggestion to the Rec Department. I doubt they will act on it but at least you could make the effort.


The issue is, why a single handicapper, would want to play Executive Ladies Day, paying $2.00, and $1.00 for closet to the pin, with a group of 72 women, who for the most part don’t have handicaps. Most of all of these women didn’t start playing golf until they moved to The Villages. Folks who have single handicaps have been playing golf for well over 20 years... The issue is, it uneven’s the playing field and it’s no longer any fun, when the same person places first, week after week. There is no way anyone can gain the skill level of a single handicapper, based on their experience and time playing. Sure if one devoted 8 hrs a day practicing and playing. I’m sure the 72+ Retiree women play for fun and socializing.Playing a scramble where the same people win, week after week, takes fun out of playing.

It’s been said they’re practicing their short game during the scramble. Why not get a group of friends together practice some other time. Why practice on Ladies Day? No one is jealous of their skill, just tired of being used and the fun being taken out of playing executive ladies day. Go play with the big girls, who play at your level.

These single handicappers, just want to be a “big fish” in a small pond. It’s all about EGO and getting their name in print.

[golfing eagles]

If you really are bothered by this then here is my suggestion. As I already stated in a previous post on this thread, the rules could be modified so that a minimum of 2 drives are required by each player. This will essentially water down the advantage of a much better player. I played in numerous non-handicapped scrambles that used this rule. You could make this suggestion to the Rec Department. I doubt they will act on it but at least you could make the effort.

Reasonable idea, but why go to the trouble for one disgruntled sore loser?????

[biker1]

Hey, I am just the “idea guy” ;-). I actually do think it would be a good idea for both Men’s and Ladies’ Day (on the executives) because it introduces some strategy into the game. For example, for the weaker players, you might want to use a less than ideal tee shot early in the round so you don’t come to #8 and #9 needing their two tee shots. However, I would be surprised if the Rec Dept would entertain such an idea.



Reasonable idea, but why go to the trouble for one disgruntled sore loser?????

[Mortal1]

The issue is, why a single handicapper, would want to play Executive Ladies Day, paying $2.00, and $1.00 for closet to the pin, with a group of 72 women, who for the most part don’t have handicaps. Most of all of these women didn’t start playing golf until they moved to The Villages. Folks who have single handicaps have been playing golf for well over 20 years... The issue is, it uneven’s the playing field and it’s no longer any fun, when the same person places first, week after week. There is no way anyone can gain the skill level of a single handicapper, based on their experience and time playing. Sure if one devoted 8 hrs a day practicing and playing. I’m sure the 72+ Retiree women play for fun and socializing.Playing a scramble where the same people win, week after week, takes fun out of playing.

It’s been said they’re practicing their short game during the scramble. Why not get a group of friends together practice some other time. Why practice on Ladies Day? No one is jealous of their skill, just tired of being used and the fun being taken out of playing executive ladies day. Go play with the big girls, who play at your level.

These single handicappers, just want to be a “big fish” in a small pond. It’s all about EGO and getting their name in print.

just because some peoples egos need to be stroked does not mean that many of them feel that way. It's not like they get much from winning and it doesn't always take 20 years to accomplish being a single digit handicap....is sounds more like some folks don't like people enjoying the fact they worked hard and long to develop a talent and are jealous...

The ego problem is not always with someone who does well, but with those that have failed miserably and are looking for someone else to blame other than lack of talent or the ability to work hard for a result.

[thelegges]

Op if you took out the top 3 winners, where would you place, out of 72 women?

Top 30 or bottom 30, women?

It’s $3, if you are consistently number 3, or 4, look within yourself to find improvements. As for choosing to play execs instead of championship, maybe not a fan of the choice in courses, or just don’t want to invest the time it takes to play a championship