VIDEO - Covid-19 Masks and Myths DEBUNKED

[coffeebean]

COVID-19 & Mask Myths DEBUNKED! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/npXP5wqNzaI)

In case you did not see the original video by this person, here it is......
How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!) - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0Tp0zB904Mc)

[Garwood1]

I believe my physician, not a you tube video

[TedfromGA]

I believe my physician, not a you tube video

Watch the video. It is spot on correct and said in layman language. If you do just a little research on the size of the virus particle and the size of water droplets you can understand how a mask helps.

[Lindsyburnsy]

If your physician isn't telling you to wear a mask, then I'd change doctors!

[coffeebean]

I believe my physician, not a you tube video

Don't always believe everything your physician tells you. I had a discussion with a physician (or so he claimed he was) just the other day and he said he does not mandate his employees wear masks in the three offices he has. I discounted every single thing he said after that. Discussion was over for me.

[Gpsma]

And look how well masks have worked already.

[billethkid]

And look how well masks have worked already.


How can you tell?

Maybe they should be reporting with and without mask infection data....with and without masks new cases.....with and without masks death rate....

(Just kidding (I think).:duck:

[billethkid]

And look how well masks have worked already.


How can you tell?

Maybe they should be reporting with and without mask infection data....with and without masks new cases.....with and without masks death rate....

Just kidding (I think).:duck:

[roscoguy]

COVID-19 & Mask Myths DEBUNKED! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/npXP5wqNzaI)

In case you did not see the original video by this person, here it is......
How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!) - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0Tp0zB904Mc)

Great video, thanks for sharing it! It's a shame that most people will probably never see it and an even bigger shame that too many that do see it still won't believe it.

[xkeowner]

COVID-19 & Mask Myths DEBUNKED! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/npXP5wqNzaI)

In case you did not see the original video by this person, here it is......
How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!) - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0Tp0zB904Mc)

So a mask will stop the droplets either outbound or inbound - FACT.

What happens to that droplet? It immediately is absorbed and breaks down into its component parts releasing to COVID contained within so the very next breath either in or out can, and probably will, spread the virus. The mask may somewhat limit the range the virus travels outbound but if it is on your mask and you inhale it will likely enter your lungs.

I am not trying to cause paranoia simply make people aware that social distancing is probably more important than wearing a mask.

[Tblue]

So a mask will stop the droplets either outbound or inbound - FACT.

What happens to that droplet? It immediately is absorbed and breaks down into its component parts releasing to COVID contained within so the very next breath either in or out can, and probably will, spread the virus. The mask may somewhat limit the range the virus travels outbound but if it is on your mask and you inhale it will likely enter your lungs.

I am not trying to cause paranoia simply make people aware that social distancing is probably more important than wearing a mask.

Do we know how much of the virus is attached to droplets? Maybe half, maybe 70% maybe 10%. I have worn a mask for 37 years, it does not make me an expert, but I can tell you at times I had to place some tape over the mask at the bridge of my nose to prevent my glasses from fogging up when I would breath. So if some of the virus does attached to droplets then how much is just exhaled around the top of the mask, both sides of the mask, or bottom of the mask. Maybe some of the virus is trapped in the mask as you said, a very good thing, but everyone fiddles with the mask and reuses the mask. Watch anyone at Lowes, as they walk in, out comes the mask from their pocket or purse. When they walk out usually off comes the mask, back into the pocket or purse or the console of the car, to be reused. Has anyone given any thought that just maybe masks are helping to spread this virus? The answer is yes, some researchers have looked at that, and suggest maybe the masks are spreading the virus. Sorry I do not have it at hand. Look it up yourself. One last question that was proposed to me, if masks work then why are there not proper places to dispose of a used masks?

[Taltarzac725]

Answering your most common mask related questions during COVID-19 | Novant Health | Healthy Headlines (https://www.novanthealth.org/healthy-headlines/answering-your-most-common-mask-related-questions-during-covid-19)

I like advice from professionals.

[Scott O]

And look how well masks have worked already.
Yeah especially for California and New York, along with quarantines...they are now the biggest hotspots...yup...smdh

[Scott O]

So a mask will stop the droplets either outbound or inbound - FACT.

What happens to that droplet? It immediately is absorbed and breaks down into its component parts releasing to COVID contained within so the very next breath either in or out can, and probably will, spread the virus. The mask may somewhat limit the range the virus travels outbound but if it is on your mask and you inhale it will likely enter your lungs.

I am not trying to cause paranoia simply make people aware that social distancing is probably more important than wearing a mask.
Absolutely, and breathing in fresh air and not your own CO2 all day...I saw 2 people again yesterday driving around alone in their cars with masks and gloves on....wth....insanity...

[coffeebean]

And look how well masks have worked already.

The reason for that is the massive NON COMPLIANCE of anti-maskers. Look at the big picture. Our bubble of The Villages is not a good example of the compliance of mask wearing. We in The Villages are a population of seniors so the compliance for mask wearing seems to be better than the rest of our country.

[coffeebean]

So a mask will stop the droplets either outbound or inbound - FACT.

What happens to that droplet? It immediately is absorbed and breaks down into its component parts releasing to COVID contained within so the very next breath either in or out can, and probably will, spread the virus. The mask may somewhat limit the range the virus travels outbound but if it is on your mask and you inhale it will likely enter your lungs.

I am not trying to cause paranoia simply make people aware that social distancing is probably more important than wearing a mask.


Do you have a link proving that this actually does happen? Think about it....if this WERE true, our country would have millions of people infected with this virus, not to mention the amount of infected in the rest of the world. IMHO, that is just not feasible. Doesn't it make more sense that once the virus lands on any surface, even fabric, that the virus no longer travels, especially into your respiratory system?

[Girlcopper]

COVID-19 & Mask Myths DEBUNKED! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/npXP5wqNzaI)

In case you did not see the original video by this person, here it is......
How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!) - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0Tp0zB904Mc)
I think this debate about masks has been beaten to death. Have your own opinion. Dont shove it off on everyone. Wear a mask if that is your desire and stay away from people or places where they arent worn. If you decide to not wear a mask, expect to be banned from numerous stores and businesses. Simple. Make your choice and live with the consequences. But lets move on in life and end the debate! Its old news!!

[coffeebean]

I think this debate about masks has been beaten to death. Have your own opinion. Dont shove it off on everyone. Wear a mask if that is your desire and stay away from people or places where they arent worn. If you decide to not wear a mask, expect to be banned from numerous stores and businesses. Simple. Make your choice and live with the consequences. But lets move on in life and end the debate! Its old news!!

Not everyone has seen these two videos. And NO, this debate will never end until this pandemic ends.

[tvbound]

As has been shown with so many other subjects, there will be a core of people who will never be swayed by, and are actually allergic, to facts and the truth.

[crash]

And look how well masks have worked already.

And look how many don’t wear masks. You need everyone doing it.

[kannon]

Yeah especially for California and New York, along with quarantines...they are now the biggest hotspots...yup...smdh

NY is not a hotspot. CA is. Any guesstimate of outbreak if no masks, no quarantine, no capacity limits were in place? My guess is they be in a lot worst shape.

[tvbound]

Louisiana congressman-elect dies of Covid (https://www.yahoo.com/news/louisiana-congressman-elect-dies-covid-025154687.html)

This guy's family no longer think it is a hoax or harmless.

[PJackpot]

This guy never references any studies or experts to support his "theories". He's nothing more than a layman trying to interpret something he knows nothing about. Here's an idea. Try reading something written by actual world renowned microbiologists, immunologists and infection disease specialists. I think they have more to offer than this buffoon.

Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Corona-False-Alarm-International-Bestseller/dp/1645020576)

[Blackbird45]

I don't understand why the issues of masks keep coming up.
If all the hype is false and masks are only 1% effective that is enough for me.
My life and that of my wife is not worth the risk to prove a point.

[Eg_cruz]

Absolutely, and breathing in fresh air and not your own CO2 all day...I saw 2 people again yesterday driving around alone in their cars with masks and gloves on....wth....insanity...
So I thought the same thing until my sister explained why she sometimes wears a mask in her car when she’s alone (yes she feels silly) my sister is a teacher, our mom needed to be driven weekly to PT appointment and because my sister works full time when she would pick up mom they would wear mask in the car together. Then my sister got to thinking if I drive 20 minutes to mom house then she get in the car mom is breathing in my sisters air. So my sister now wears her mask on the way to moms house. So you don’t know why someone is wearing a mask, yes I told you both are wear in the car at the same time. She again said but my germs are still in the air and she felt better safe then sorry, moms 85 and dad is 90 so being overly careful makes since......and I have to agree

[Scott O]

NY is not a hotspot. CA is. Any guesstimate of outbreak if no masks, no quarantine, no capacity limits were in place? My guess is they be in a lot worst shape.
Oh you mean like Florida? The state that hasn’t imposed or forced laws on us and we’re doing ok, especially considering it’s the largest population of seniors....yes NY is considered a hotspot again, why do you think they are shutting everything down again...

[Scott O]

So I thought the same thing until my sister explained why she sometimes wears a mask in her car when she’s alone (yes she feels silly) my sister is a teacher, our mom needed to be driven weekly to PT appointment and because my sister works full time when she would pick up mom they would wear mask in the car together. Then my sister got to thinking if I drive 20 minutes to mom house then she get in the car mom is breathing in my sisters air. So my sister now wears her mask on the way to moms house. So you don’t know why someone is wearing a mask, yes I told you both are wear in the car at the same time. She again said but my germs are still in the air and she felt better safe then sorry, moms 85 and dad is 90 so being overly careful makes since......and I have to agree
Roll down the window and breathe ...good grief

[Eg_cruz]

COVID-19 & Mask Myths DEBUNKED! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/npXP5wqNzaI)

In case you did not see the original video by this person, here it is......
How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!) - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0Tp0zB904Mc)
Thank you for the share. I have to say I was very hesitant about watching because I so over the mask talk but this guy explains it very well and keeps it to a matter of fact.
Thanks again and going to share

[Jokomo]

How can you tell?

Maybe they should be reporting with and without mask infection data....with and without masks new cases.....with and without masks death rate....

(Just kidding (I think).:duck:

I agree with your reporting categories. Not kidding! I suggest supplies of vaccines be allocated first to those of us who wore masks, and took the pandemic seriously, and did our part to stop the spread. For those who grocery shopped or attended spreader events without masks, go to the end of the line.

[donassaid]

Would love to know this guy's credentials and sources. Would also love his answer to how an airborne virus cannot enter your bloodstream thru your eyes and ears. I find it a bit humorous that those who adamantly demand mask wearing by everyone feel it is ok to take theirs off while sharing a table at a public restaurant. Apparently they believe that the virus takes a break while they are eating and drinking. It also seems to not be present at massive "social injustice" gatherings and at parties and dinners attended by autocratic Governors. I just wish there was as much concern for those in Nursing homes being prevented from personal visits and hugs from family members; business owners whose businesses have been designated "non-essential; school children unable to have a normal childhood with social interaction and parents unable to go to work because their kids can't go to school. There is also no mention of the increases in drug abuse, overdoses, depression, and suicides brought on by this "isolation", as well as the increased risks to those who have had to put off needed treatments and surgeries that have put their health and their very lives at increased risk. The "cure" cannot be worse than the disease and you cannot destroy the lives of tge 99% financially, physically, psychologically and spiritually for the sake of the 1%.

[FromNY]

Don't always believe everything your physician tells you. I had a discussion with a physician (or so he claimed he was) just the other day and he said he does not mandate his employees wear masks in the three offices he has. I discounted every single thing he said after that. Discussion was over for me.
Know a few employees in Doctor office who got Covid , maskless!

[FromNY]

Know a few employees in Doctor office who got Covid , maskless!

[roscoguy]

What happens to that droplet? It immediately is absorbed and breaks down into its component parts releasing to COVID contained within so the very next breath either in or out can, and probably will, spread the virus. The mask may somewhat limit the range the virus travels outbound but if it is on your mask and you inhale it will likely enter your lungs.

By extension of this 'theory', all those surgeons are being silly by wearing a mask in the OR: every little virus particle or bacteria is only waiting for one more breath to free them from the mask so that they can leap right into that open wound or chest cavity.

[kenoc7]

Not everyone has seen these two videos. And NO, this debate will never end until this pandemic ends.
It shouldn't even be a debate. In indoor public spaces wear the damn mask.

[RICH1]

They have ! Ignorance is no excuse

[toeser]

COVID-19 & Mask Myths DEBUNKED! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/npXP5wqNzaI)

In case you did not see the original video by this person, here it is......
How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!) - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0Tp0zB904Mc)

Good link. I hope all doubters watch this.

[RICH1]

Recognizing death from Covid19 is a First step..,, masks are not the cure all but assist in prevention

[coffeebean]

And look how many don’t wear masks. You need everyone doing it.

Yes, the word "compliance" comes to mind. Americans like to "buck" the system, therefore, compliance in our country is dreadful.

[newgirl]

And this is why we have the highest death rate in the world. Amazing how far people will go to find other stupid people to agree with them about anything..again, look at all the cults, hell Hitler still has a huge following...j

[coffeebean]

This guy never references any studies or experts to support his "theories". He's nothing more than a layman trying to interpret something he knows nothing about. Here's an idea. Try reading something written by actual world renowned microbiologists, immunologists and infection disease specialists. I think they have more to offer than this buffoon.

Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Corona-False-Alarm-International-Bestseller/dp/1645020576)

Do you think Dr. Fauci is also a "buffoon"? He supports everything that is said in both of these videos. Actually, that is what the science is all about.

[coffeebean]

Oh you mean like Florida? The state that hasn’t imposed or forced laws on us and we’re doing ok, especially considering it’s the largest population of seniors....yes NY is considered a hotspot again, why do you think they are shutting everything down again...

Being a population of seniors, Villagers are more compliant than other age groups so there WILL be more compliance for mask wearing here in our bubble. Not so in other parts of the country or age groups.

[coffeebean]

Thank you for the share. I have to say I was very hesitant about watching because I so over the mask talk but this guy explains it very well and keeps it to a matter of fact.
Thanks again and going to share

Thank you!

[coffeebean]

I agree with your reporting categories. Not kidding! I suggest supplies of vaccines be allocated first to those of us who wore masks, and took the pandemic seriously, and did our part to stop the spread. For those who grocery shopped or attended spreader events without masks, go to the end of the line.

I agree whole heartedly but we all know that will never happen. There is no way to prove who took this pandemic seriously or who was a proponent of mask wearing. Distancing oneself from others is also if not more important than wearing a mask. Both practices should be done together to have a better chance of avoiding transmission and contracting the virus.

[kendi]

Great video, thanks for sharing it! It's a shame that most people will probably never see it and an even bigger shame that too many that do see it still won't believe it.

Oh stop it. That’s life no matter the issue is or how serious it is. People will not all make the same decisions. And no matter what the decision is that an individual makes, good or bad there will always be someone who does not agree. Get over it and move on.

[allsport]

That is because no one is wearing them.

[Villages Kahuna]

This is a video that should be viewed by all the stubborn anti-mask folks.

Please all you naysayers or simply stubborn folks out there, even if you choose not to accept that mask usage helps you stay virus-free, wear one in respect for the rest of us! Please, please.

[Pat2015]

And look how well masks have worked already.

The highest number of cases is where everything is shut down and masks are required🤔

[jimjamuser]

And look how well masks have worked already.
Masks HAVE worked really well to STOP CV spread almost completely in S. Korea, Australia, and New Zealand because those countries did NOT believe that CV was a hoax. They had nearly 100% buy-in for masks and started early, like January. The US did EVERYTHING wrong and late, including the wearing of masks. - It is still nowhere near the 90% needed - more like 60% as a US-wide average. So, now the end result is that New Zealand has a total of 25 CV deaths, and South Carolina (with the same population) has over 5,000 deaths. Go figure? And very good link Ms. CoffeeBean Person. I wonder how many more will NOT believe their lying eyes?

[jimjamuser]

How can you tell?

Maybe they should be reporting with and without mask infection data....with and without masks new cases.....with and without masks death rate....

(Just kidding (I think).:duck:
I HOPE so.

[jimjamuser]

Do we know how much of the virus is attached to droplets? Maybe half, maybe 70% maybe 10%. I have worn a mask for 37 years, it does not make me an expert, but I can tell you at times I had to place some tape over the mask at the bridge of my nose to prevent my glasses from fogging up when I would breath. So if some of the virus does attached to droplets then how much is just exhaled around the top of the mask, both sides of the mask, or bottom of the mask. Maybe some of the virus is trapped in the mask as you said, a very good thing, but everyone fiddles with the mask and reuses the mask. Watch anyone at Lowes, as they walk in, out comes the mask from their pocket or purse. When they walk out usually off comes the mask, back into the pocket or purse or the console of the car, to be reused. Has anyone given any thought that just maybe masks are helping to spread this virus? The answer is yes, some researchers have looked at that, and suggest maybe the masks are spreading the virus. Sorry I do not have it at hand. Look it up yourself. One last question that was proposed to me, if masks work then why are there not proper places to dispose of a used masks?
Just look at what S.Korea and New Zealand have done to understand the issue. Instead of "spinning the wheels" for REALLY other strange explanations to justify individual opinions on these issues. Whole other SUCCESSFUL countries can NOT be wrong. The Asians have more recent experience with pandemics than the US, whose experience is 100 years old. And New Zealand does NOT have whole TV channels devoted to propaganda and conspiracy theories.

[SugarBear]

Lol

[jimjamuser]

Absolutely, and breathing in fresh air and not your own CO2 all day...I saw 2 people again yesterday driving around alone in their cars with masks and gloves on....wth....insanity...
Or maybe they have pre-existing conditions that REQUIRE them to take maximum precautions. See what I did? Some call that empathy, ck the dictionary.

[jimjamuser]

The reason for that is the massive NON COMPLIANCE of anti-maskers. Look at the big picture. Our bubble of The Villages is not a good example of the compliance of mask wearing. We in The Villages are a population of seniors so the compliance for mask wearing seems to be better than the rest of our country.
Yet worse than states and countries that MANDATE mask-wearing. See the results of New Zealand.

[jimjamuser]

I think this debate about masks has been beaten to death. Have your own opinion. Dont shove it off on everyone. Wear a mask if that is your desire and stay away from people or places where they arent worn. If you decide to not wear a mask, expect to be banned from numerous stores and businesses. Simple. Make your choice and live with the consequences. But lets move on in life and end the debate! Its old news!!
The news IS old news in S. Korea and New Zealand because they reacted quickly with masks and other quick reactions. It IS in THEIR rearview mirror. It can NOT be in the US's rearview because CV in the US is INCREASING. Until the CV is brought close to zero in the US, the subject of SAFETY requires mask-wearing to be at the FOREFRONT of mind and communication. Seat belts and speed limits HAD to be talked about until such time as MOST people were in COMPLIANCE with those socially needed programs. Safety personnel at local governments are key to COMPLIANCE by citizens. I don't understand the "John Wayne" mentality that SLOWS acceptance of government or CDC rules (in this case). I ask - merely - what is best for society - and will STOP asking (gladly) when the CV is OVER.

[Kenswing]

The news IS old news in S. Korea and New Zealand because they reacted quickly with masks and other quick reactions. It IS in THEIR rearview mirror. It can NOT be in the US's rearview because CV in the US is INCREASING. Until the CV is brought close to zero in the US, the subject of SAFETY requires mask-wearing to be at the FOREFRONT of mind and communication. Seat belts and speed limits HAD to be talked about until such time as MOST people were in COMPLIANCE with those socially needed programs. Safety personnel at local governments are key to COMPLIANCE by citizens. I don't understand the "John Wayne" mentality that SLOWS acceptance of government or CDC rules (in this case). I ask - merely - what is best for society - and will STOP asking (gladly) when the CV is OVER.It is far from being in South Korea's rear view mirror. The bottom line, it is spiking almost everywhere in the world. Take a break and step off your soapbox for awhile.

South Korea, once hailed as early COVID success, sees spike in cases - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-cases-surge-south-korea/)

South Korea had seemed to be winning the fight against the coronavirus: Quickly ramping up its testing, contact-tracing and quarantine efforts paid off when it weathered an early outbreak without the economic pain of a lockdown. But a deadly resurgence has reached new heights during Christmas week, prompting soul-searching on how the nation sleepwalked into a crisis.

The 1,241 infections on Christmas Day were the largest daily increase. Another 1,132 cases were reported Saturday, bringing South Korea's caseload to 55,902.

Over 15,000 were added in the last 15 days alone. An additional 221 fatalities over the same period, the deadliest stretch, took the death toll to 793.

[jimjamuser]

As has been shown with so many other subjects, there will be a core of people who will never be swayed by, and are actually allergic, to facts and the truth.
It is possible to sway or change some small number of opinions on the MARGIN. Small numbers often mean big SOCIAL changes and importance - take our several recent elections for example. Scientific methods and facts change or evolve - so can opinions. We live in times that call for examination and re-examination and the flexibility to change opinions.

[jimjamuser]

So I thought the same thing until my sister explained why she sometimes wears a mask in her car when she’s alone (yes she feels silly) my sister is a teacher, our mom needed to be driven weekly to PT appointment and because my sister works full time when she would pick up mom they would wear mask in the car together. Then my sister got to thinking if I drive 20 minutes to mom house then she get in the car mom is breathing in my sisters air. So my sister now wears her mask on the way to moms house. So you don’t know why someone is wearing a mask, yes I told you both are wear in the car at the same time. She again said but my germs are still in the air and she felt better safe then sorry, moms 85 and dad is 90 so being overly careful makes since......and I have to agree
Great explaination.

[jimjamuser]

Would love to know this guy's credentials and sources. Would also love his answer to how an airborne virus cannot enter your bloodstream thru your eyes and ears. I find it a bit humorous that those who adamantly demand mask wearing by everyone feel it is ok to take theirs off while sharing a table at a public restaurant. Apparently they believe that the virus takes a break while they are eating and drinking. It also seems to not be present at massive "social injustice" gatherings and at parties and dinners attended by autocratic Governors. I just wish there was as much concern for those in Nursing homes being prevented from personal visits and hugs from family members; business owners whose businesses have been designated "non-essential; school children unable to have a normal childhood with social interaction and parents unable to go to work because their kids can't go to school. There is also no mention of the increases in drug abuse, overdoses, depression, and suicides brought on by this "isolation", as well as the increased risks to those who have had to put off needed treatments and surgeries that have put their health and their very lives at increased risk. The "cure" cannot be worse than the disease and you cannot destroy the lives of tge 99% financially, physically, psychologically and spiritually for the sake of the 1%.
Interesting - everything there is about 180 degrees to what I believe. One of us needs to reevaluate.

[jimjamuser]

Is this person a Dr. or just someone that doesn’t wear a mask. Just wondering!
When someone fails to be able to debate the statements of another, they often find it easy on their own ego to simply attack the credentials of those making the statement.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, the word "compliance" comes to mind. Americans like to "buck" the system, therefore, compliance in our country is dreadful.
Agreed Beanie, you are on a roll.

[jimjamuser]

This is a video that should be viewed by all the stubborn anti-mask folks.

Please all you naysayers or simply stubborn folks out there, even if you choose not to accept that mask usage helps you stay virus-free, wear one in respect for the rest of us! Please, please.
Asking please is good at this point and helpful, but what if we were STILL asking please about seat belts and speed limits - and PLEASE pay your taxes, pretty please. My point is that the Federal government is the one in charge of PROTECTING its citizens, so at some point, IF the CV remains out of control, The US Government MUST step in and mandate compliance - just like seat belts. And it will take some time.

[jimjamuser]

The highest number of cases is where everything is shut down and masks are required🤔
That is simply a chicken and the egg thing. Which caused the other first?

[jimjamuser]

It is far from being in South Korea's rear view mirror. The bottom line, it is spiking almost everywhere in the world. Take a break and step off your soapbox for awhile.

South Korea, once hailed as early COVID success, sees spike in cases - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-cases-surge-south-korea/)

South Korea had seemed to be winning the fight against the coronavirus: Quickly ramping up its testing, contact-tracing and quarantine efforts paid off when it weathered an early outbreak without the economic pain of a lockdown. But a deadly resurgence has reached new heights during Christmas week, prompting soul-searching on how the nation sleepwalked into a crisis.

The 1,241 infections on Christmas Day were the largest daily increase. Another 1,132 cases were reported Saturday, bringing South Korea's caseload to 55,902.

Over 15,000 were added in the last 15 days alone. An additional 221 fatalities over the same period, the deadliest stretch, took the death toll to 793.
If total fatalities are ONLY 793 for ALL the CV period, then that just proves my point. And 221 deaths over S. Korea's last 15 days also proves MY point because Florida has averaged around 90 death per day for our recent period. I could have used multiple countries to prove MY point New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, and just about ALL of the Scandinavian Countries. My point is for people to look OUTSIDE the US for examples of good Governance in an emergency and other problem situations. Do not assume that the US does well for its citizens in comparison to other countries. Make THAT comparison and see. The US DID well (past tense) in the 50s but NOT so much today. Just compare and look at world-wide charts - they are READILY available.

[Kenswing]

If total fatalities are ONLY 793 for ALL the CV period, then that just proves my point. And 221 deaths over S. Korea's last 15 days also proves MY point because Florida has averaged around 90 death per day for our recent period. I could have used multiple countries to prove MY point New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, and just about ALL of the Scandinavian Countries. My point is for people to look OUTSIDE the US for examples of good Governance in an emergency and other problem situations. Do not assume that the US does well for its citizens in comparison to other countries. Make THAT comparison and see. The US DID well (past tense) in the 50s but NOT so much today. Just compare and look at world-wide charts - they are READILY available.It does not prove your point at all. (Well maybe in your mind it does) You stated that CV was in South Korea's rear view mirror. That would indicate that in your mind South Korea had beaten the virus. South Korea is now experiencing their worst spike of this pandemic. Does that really sound like a success to you? Does that sound like it's in their rear view mirror? To me it looks like it's splattering all over their windshield. Yes, they did great in the beginning but they are now experiencing ICU bed shortages just like everyone else. It proves this virus can get to anyone regardless of how good they think their preventative measures are.

And my point is that the virus is spiking in many places all around the world. Not just in the America you hate so much.

You've expressed your opinion ad nauseum. We know your thoughts on this subject. There is no reason you need to reply to EVERY post in EVERY Covid related thread. After awhile you just become background noise.

[jimjamuser]

It does not prove your point at all. (Well maybe in your mind it does) You stated that CV was in South Korea's rear view mirror. That would indicate that in your mind South Korea had beaten the virus. South Korea is now experiencing their worst spike of this pandemic. Does that really sound like a success to you? Does that sound like it's in their rear view mirror? To me it looks like it's splattering all over their windshield. Yes, they did great in the beginning but they are now experiencing ICU bed shortages just like everyone else. It proves this virus can get to anyone regardless of how good they think their preventative measures are.

And my point is that the virus is spiking in many places all around the world. Not just in the America you hate so much.

You've expressed your opinion ad nauseum. We know your thoughts on this subject. There is no reason you need to reply to EVERY post in EVERY Covid related thread. After awhile you just become background noise.
I agree that it is true that CV is spiking in other parts of the world. It is NOT unAmerican to criticize one's own country. It seems to me to be the responsible thing to do. Everyone agrees that the US has had one of the world's worse responses to CV (if not THE worst response). There are ALSO countries that have had better responses to the CV. The US is # 1 in GNP and has some of the best Medical professions in the world - so, as such, would be EXPECTED to have one of the world's BETTER OUTCOMES (and it did not). I am, therefore, prudently worried about why that happened and about the future for the US. If someone can come up with a
good explanation of what went wrong - I, for one, would like to hear it.

[roscoguy]

Oh stop it. That’s life no matter the issue is or how serious it is. People will not all make the same decisions. And no matter what the decision is that an individual makes, good or bad there will always be someone who does not agree. Get over it and move on.

I'm not real sure what you want me to stop, get over or move on from. :confused: Is it the fact that some people are determined to find fringe opinions from the small number of specialists that buck the vast majority? (Kinda like the "herd immunity" proponents?) Bad decisions and ignorance have cost the US hundreds of thousands of lives already. When people STILL cling to conspiracy theories and decide to discount the multitudes of Doctors & Scientists, it's difficult to just chalk that up merely as a disagreement...

[jimjamuser]

I'm not real sure what you want me to stop, get over or move on from. :confused: Is it the fact that some people are determined to find fringe opinions from the small number of specialists that buck the vast majority? (Kinda like the "herd immunity" proponents?) Bad decisions and ignorance have cost the US hundreds of thousands of lives already. When people STILL cling to conspiracy theories and decide to discount the multitudes of Doctors & Scientists, it's difficult to just chalk that up merely as a disagreement...
Herd immunity, without vaccines, was a rationalization, a smoke-screen that ultimately left America weakened and confused about leadership, science, and a unified path toward fighting the Pandemic.

[tvbound]

I'm not real sure what you want me to stop, get over or move on from. :confused: Is it the fact that some people are determined to find fringe opinions from the small number of specialists that buck the vast majority? (Kinda like the "herd immunity" proponents?) Bad decisions and ignorance have cost the US hundreds of thousands of lives already. When people STILL cling to conspiracy theories and decide to discount the multitudes of Doctors & Scientists, it's difficult to just chalk that up merely as a disagreement...

"When people STILL cling to conspiracy theories and decide to discount the multitudes of Doctors & Scientists, it's difficult to just chalk that up merely as a disagreement..."


Therein lies the root of a LOT of our problems. Until lately, I've never given much credence to the idea of mass hypnosis - but I am now a believer.

Does Mass Hypnosis Exist and How Does it Work (https://www.naturalhypnosis.com/blog/does-mass-hypnosis-exist-and-how-does-it-work)

[John41]

If total fatalities are ONLY 793 for ALL the CV period, then that just proves my point. And 221 deaths over S. Korea's last 15 days also proves MY point because Florida has averaged around 90 death per day for our recent period. I could have used multiple countries to prove MY point New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, and just about ALL of the Scandinavian Countries. My point is for people to look OUTSIDE the US for examples of good Governance in an emergency and other problem situations. Do not assume that the US does well for its citizens in comparison to other countries. Make THAT comparison and see. The US DID well (past tense) in the 50s but NOT so much today. Just compare and look at world-wide charts - they are READILY available.

It's your right to criticize your country but the US is ranked 10th in covid deaths per million with Belgium being first.

[roscoguy]

It's your right to criticize your country but the US is ranked 10th in covid deaths per million with Belgium being first.

Just for clarification, the US has the 10th worst ratio of Covid deaths per million in the world according to Statista, and similar positions on other sites. 403 Forbidden (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/)
While this doesn't exactly tell the entire story, it is a startling statistic in any case.

[jimjamuser]

Yeah especially for California and New York, along with quarantines...they are now the biggest hotspots...yup...smdh
Arizona is now the #1 hotspot in the WORLD!

[jimjamuser]

I think this debate about masks has been beaten to death. Have your own opinion. Dont shove it off on everyone. Wear a mask if that is your desire and stay away from people or places where they arent worn. If you decide to not wear a mask, expect to be banned from numerous stores and businesses. Simple. Make your choice and live with the consequences. But lets move on in life and end the debate! Its old news!!
If 95 % of the people wore masks, then about 50,000 lives would be saved by March. That is even MORE than the vaccines are slated to save lives. Saving lives does not seem to get old to me and repetition is a helpful tool. For most people vaccines are about a year away. Wearing masks and repetition is here to stay - for a while anyway!

[Topspinmo]

If your physician isn't telling you to wear a mask, then I'd change doctors!

Hit the nail square on the head!!!

[jimjamuser]

Oh you mean like Florida? The state that hasn’t imposed or forced laws on us and we’re doing ok, especially considering it’s the largest population of seniors....yes NY is considered a hotspot again, why do you think they are shutting everything down again...
NY and NYC have a higher population density than Florida. And NY is colder with less opportunity to get the benefits of sun and vitamin D.

[Topspinmo]

Just for clarification, the US has the 10th worst ratio of Covid deaths per million in the world according to Statista, and similar positions on other sites. 403 Forbidden (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/)
While this doesn't exactly tell the entire story, it is a startling statistic in any case.

World travels though USA, Americans can’t wear mask or stay home due to that little thing called freedom.

[jimjamuser]

The highest number of cases is where everything is shut down and masks are required🤔
When cases go up a government protects its people by adjusting the laws and issuing other tougher guidance - that makes sense.

[Jerseygirl08]

And this is why we have the highest death rate in the world. Amazing how far people will go to find other stupid people to agree with them about anything..again, look at all the cults, hell Hitler still has a huge following...j

They can say this all day long but is it truth??? India isn't counting, South of the Border (and all of South America) isn't counting, Russia counting? AND HOW ABOUT CHINA?? And, what is actually killing our Americans? Is it their aging heart and immune system? Would they have died had they had the seasonal flu or pneumonia? Don't get me wrong; dying all alone because of Covid is just horrible.

Speaking of the flu . . . why haven't we heard about any influenza cases this flu season?? Just curious.

[coffeebean]

They can say this all day long but is it truth??? India isn't counting, South of the Border (and all of South America) isn't counting, Russia counting? AND HOW ABOUT CHINA?? And, what is actually killing our Americans? Is it their aging heart and immune system? Would they have died had they had the seasonal flu or pneumonia? Don't get me wrong; dying all alone because of Covid is just horrible.

Speaking of the flu . . . why haven't we heard about any influenza cases this flu season?? Just curious.

Could it be because of folks wearing masks in public indoor spaces and social distancing? Since reading this forum and doing some research on the subject, I have found out that the flu virus is NOT a coronavirus. The flu virus is an influenza virus. So.....folks who are positive for Covid can not be positive for flu unless the person is unfortunate enough to have both viruses at the same time.

Bottom line.......Positive reports of Covid are not being made for people who actually only have the flu virus.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Could it be because of folks wearing masks in public indoor spaces and social distancing? Since reading this forum and doing some research on the subject, I have found out that the flu virus is NOT a coronavirus. The flu virus is an influenza virus. So.....folks who are positive for Covid can not be positive for flu unless the person is unfortunate enough to have both viruses at the same time.

Bottom line.......Positive reports of Covid are not being made for people who actually only have the flu virus.

There's also the flu vaccine, which has been out for several months already. Anyone who "would" get the flu vaccine, has already gotten it and reaping its benefits (which means - they're not getting the flu).

[Dgizzi]

Yep!

[Swoop]

When cases go up a government protects its people by adjusting the laws and issuing other tougher guidance - that makes sense.

So explain why states like Pennsylvania where the restrictions have been severe & mask mandates have been in place since the onset of Covid, have had more Covid cases per 1,000 than Florida, where things are operating at close to normal...