TV Hospital Status

[askcarl]

The ICU at The Villages Hospital is full. Leesburg as well. Ocala? Make a Plan now.

[John_W]

More people are hospitalized because of the pandemic, but the death statistics don't jive.

2015 (2,712,630)

2016 (2,744,248)

2017 (2,813,503)

2018 (2,839,205)

2019 (2,900,689)

2020 up to Nov. 16 lists 2,487,350 total deaths whole-year projection 2,818,527.

[GoPacers]

More people are hospitalized because of the pandemic, but the death statistics don't jive.

2015 (2,712,630)

2016 (2,744,248)

2017 (2,813,503)

2018 (2,839,205)

2019 (2,900,689)

2020 up to Nov. 16 lists 2,487,350 total deaths whole-year projection 2,818,527.

Probably should fact check your reference before posting.

Fact check: Chart does not present accurate US deaths figure for 2020 | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chart-us-death-figures-2020-idUSKBN2872MV)

[EdFNJ]

More people are hospitalized because of the pandemic, but the death statistics don't jive.

Also because they have better treatments now for Covid so fortunately more people are surviving but they are filling up the ICU. The fact they are surviving doesn't mean they all come out ready for dancing and jogging.

[EdFNJ]

The ICU at The Villages Hospital is full. Leesburg as well. Ocala? Make a Plan now.
What I don't understand that as this gets worse and worse by the day here in FL more things go back to "normal" around here. Art shows, car shows, restaurants packed, theme parks packed. Yea, they are outside but when people are packed shoulder to shoulder and mostly maskless it just can't be good to get things going back in the other direction.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What I don't understand that as this gets worse and worse by the day here in FL more things go back to "normal" around here. Art shows, car shows, restaurants packed, theme parks packed. Yea, they are outside but when people are packed shoulder to shoulder and mostly maskless it just can't be good to get things going back in the other direction.

Well this is what happens when you have people making decisions, who reject science and even the actual evidence in front of their own faces.

Now granted, the initial closures were intended to reduce hospitalization, freeing up more beds and allowing medical professionals to catch up with the pandemic.

So I get that now that the virus has slowed some, they want to re-open. But FLORIDA never actually shut down. The state. Individual towns had various and sundry mandates, but the state didn't ever shut down. The virus was still free to spread, and simply funneled its way through the state, around the closed areas wherever people would bring it.

And since there was no mask mandate - and not only no mask mandate but Ocala's sheriff actually forbade mask wearing in his offices...

well all that happened was, the virus just slowed down a little, waiting for the opportunity to snap right back on up again. Now the state is encouraging people to gather in groups, unmasked, no social distancing - the science deniers are out en masse, getting all up close and personal, while those of us who are still "only" cautiously optimistic are told to stay home if it bothers us.

I'll continue to wear my mask in buildings that aren't my own property. And if you don't like seeing me wearing it, then stay home. I have the right to wear it, and you don't have the right to make me take it off.

[tophcfa]

This was as predictable as the sun coming up and setting each day. More and more stuff opening up, quarantine burnout with less caution being taken at the worst possible time, snowbirds arriving from all over the place, many flying south, multi generation Holliday gatherings with children and grandchildren visiting, the maskhole deniers digging in, and more indoor gatherings as the weather turns cold. Why is it that necessary precautions were taken back in March through most of the summer when the numbers were a small fraction of where they are now, but as the numbers spike caution is being thrown to the wind? News flash, 2020 might be over, but we are setting up for an even worse 2021. Very scary and sad.

[tag460]

Florida Governor has allowed its residents to make their own choices and I support his decision. If people attend events, go to the squares, have their family visit that are from out of town or any other place where their is a crowd they will have to accept the consequents of their actions. Because Florida is open we will have many businesses make it through this and bounce back. If you are not conformable stay home it's your choice.

[EdFNJ]

Florida Governor has allowed its residents to make their own choices and I support his decision. If people attend events, go to the squares, have their family visit that are from out of town or any other place where their is a crowd they will have to accept the consequents of their actions. Because Florida is open we will have many businesses make it through this and bounce back. If you are not conformable stay home it's your choice. The old "stay home if you don't like it" response. Kinda like the "if you have a complaint about life here in TV then move." Seriously, the only thing the FL GOV was doing was playing politics to impress an audience of one. Now that that audience is leaving the theater he'll be very lonely. Why should I be forced to stay home because of a bunch of people who don't or won't follow simple guidelines from scientists and doctors and who care about no one but themselves? I don't give a sh1t about what they do to themselves but when it affects me then I care. If everyone just followed CDC and scientific basic guidelines and NOT the political BS from the beginning this would be likely over or a heck of a lot better than it is now. Just look at California. Sadly that new strain will hit hard here as well. Don't hold your breath for a vaccine to solve it sooner rather than later either because that ain't happening so fast.

[graciegirl]

Well this is what happens when you have people making decisions, who reject science and even the actual evidence in front of their own faces.

Now granted, the initial closures were intended to reduce hospitalization, freeing up more beds and allowing medical professionals to catch up with the pandemic.

So I get that now that the virus has slowed some, they want to re-open. But FLORIDA never actually shut down. The state. Individual towns had various and sundry mandates, but the state didn't ever shut down. The virus was still free to spread, and simply funneled its way through the state, around the closed areas wherever people would bring it.

And since there was no mask mandate - and not only no mask mandate but Ocala's sheriff actually forbade mask wearing in his offices...

well all that happened was, the virus just slowed down a little, waiting for the opportunity to snap right back on up again. Now the state is encouraging people to gather in groups, unmasked, no social distancing - the science deniers are out en masse, getting all up close and personal, while those of us who are still "only" cautiously optimistic are told to stay home if it bothers us.

I'll continue to wear my mask in buildings that aren't my own property. And if you don't like seeing me wearing it, then stay home. I have the right to wear it, and you don't have the right to make me take it off.

It appears to me that you can blame the government for not doing this or that, but rules just don't seem to matter to some people. There are those who will make up fairy stories and reject science no matter who tells them to do this or that. Also the need to continue with business is crucial to the whole system of keeping people employed and getting them money for important things like food and shelter. It was not an easy call for anyone in authority. I am glad it wasn't on my shoulders.

But of course we each had to do what was best for us. If teachers thought that being in the classroom was too risky, then they may have decided to do another type of work temporarily. Some people like the ones who work in grocery stores are the true hero's to me. The people most at risk, usually were retired and could shelter in place and protect themselves and others, but some could not. This awful pandemic was not something that could be solved with edicts and legislation. I think most people got tired of doing what they were told. I am amused at the ones who preach about doing this or that, but allow themselves convenient loopholes to do pretty much what they wanted to do.

Humans are strange animals. I cannot wait to get the vaccine and see the end of this.

[patfla06]

What I don't understand that as this gets worse and worse by the day here in FL more things go back to "normal" around here. Art shows, car shows, restaurants packed, theme parks packed. Yea, they are outside but when people are packed shoulder to shoulder and mostly maskless it just can't be good to get things going back in the other direction.

I feel the same way!
Squares are packed with no social distancing.
Some aren’t wearing masks.

Covid is still with is and is spiking. But if you complain about people’s behavior
the response is “ if you’re afraid stay home.”
How sensitive! :ohdear:

We SHOULD be afraid. Our age makes us susceptible and MANY of us
have health problems that put us at risk.

[mlmarr1]

Plus you dont have the right to make me wear one..even play..

[Two Bills]

Plus you dont have the right to make me wear one..even play..

That post just about sums up why the spike continues!

[matandch]

What I don't understand that as this gets worse and worse by the day here in FL more things go back to "normal" around here. Art shows, car shows, restaurants packed, theme parks packed. Yea, they are outside but when people are packed shoulder to shoulder and mostly maskless it just can't be good to get things going back in the other direction.

I noticed the same thing. We surrendered to this long ago. It’s our new way of life. We’re Doomed!

[Rwirish]

Make a plan? Total silliness.

[Scott O]

The ICU at The Villages Hospital is full. Leesburg as well. Ocala? Make a Plan now.
Make a plan for what?

[Moderator]

The topic is capacity and utilization of local hospital ICU beds. Please stay on topic.

Moderator

[banjobob]

Some people prefer to enjoy life rather than cower in fear ,if you have health issues take precautions to protect yourself. Proven 95.7% infected with China virus over 70 years of age do not die,

[thevillager1988]

This is a link to the Florida hospital ICU and beds capacity. I have been watching since another poster provided it early in the pandemic. Florida overall has been and still is running approx. 20% capacity. Sumter is 10% ICU avail right now and Lake is 21%.

It's my hope this is helpful.

Workbook':' Public (https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/ICUBedsCounty?%3AshowAppBanner=false&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3AshowVizHome=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y)

[Neils]

Some people prefer to enjoy life rather than cower in fear ,if you have health issues take precautions to protect yourself. Proven 95.7% infected with China virus over 70 years of age do not die,

I have lost 3 relatives to the virus so far. The sats don't matter if your loved one falls into the 4.3%, they die.

[dboyd29]

My plan is to live life to its fullest and not live in fear. Life is short each day is precious I lost my wife to cancer and she lived a very healthy lifestyle. I refuse to live in fear however I have changed my diet and exercise routine so I’m better able to cope.
Those of you that are scared my God give you peace.

[Beyond The Wall]

Chose to die standing or live kneeling. Cases,cases,cases....don’t not equal symptoms or death. If you don’t feel safe don’t go. If you go and get a bad vibe, leave. You shouldn’t need rules to be smart. NY has more rules then catholic school. 188 deaths per 100,000. Florida 96 per 100,000. Source cdc for you doubters.
Happy WuFlu free New Year

[Girlcopper]

Well this is what happens when you have people making decisions, who reject science and even the actual evidence in front of their own faces.

Now granted, the initial closures were intended to reduce hospitalization, freeing up more beds and allowing medical professionals to catch up with the pandemic.

So I get that now that the virus has slowed some, they want to re-open. But FLORIDA never actually shut down. The state. Individual towns had various and sundry mandates, but the state didn't ever shut down. The virus was still free to spread, and simply funneled its way through the state, around the closed areas wherever people would bring it.

And since there was no mask mandate - and not only no mask mandate but Ocala's sheriff actually forbade mask wearing in his offices...

well all that happened was, the virus just slowed down a little, waiting for the opportunity to snap right back on up again. Now the state is encouraging people to gather in groups, unmasked, no social distancing - the science deniers are out en masse, getting all up close and personal, while those of us who are still "only" cautiously optimistic are told to stay home if it bothers us.

I'll continue to wear my mask in buildings that aren't my own property. And if you don't like seeing me wearing it, then stay home. I have the right to wear it, and you don't have the right to make me take it off.
I dont know anywhere you will be told to take off a mask. Nor do I see where the state is encouraging people to gather in groups, maskless with no distancing. In fact, the state says the opposite. You are confusing the fact that the state is encouraging people to patronize businesses and attempt to live as normal as possible WITH the restrictions in place.

[askcarl]

This is a link to the Florida hospital ICU and beds capacity. I have been watching since another poster provided it early in the pandemic. Florida overall has been and still is running approx. 20% capacity. Sumter is 10% ICU avail right now and Lake is 21%.

It's my hope this is helpful.

Workbook':' Public (https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/ICUBedsCounty?%3AshowAppBanner=false&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3AshowVizHome=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y)


Thanks for the link and staying on topic. TV hospital ICU is full as of 31December 2020.

for the rest, take the Mask Crap to another thread. That Horse left the Barn.

Many RNs have quit TV hospital. Lots of open Non-covid beds, not available due to no Staff available. work load at 8 patients a shift may not sound like a lot but, the worker Bees (CNA Certified Nurses Assistants) are gone. **** pay for a **** job. Forcing RN to
deliver meals, clean rooms etc. non-nursing. Managements answer: Bring in Travel Nurses. Guess what? Very few available. There is no backup.

Be aware of what's happening locally. Contact those in Charge and ask why TV Hospital isn't staffed while Covid19 numbers increase.

Oh, that's right. No Covid19 in TV. Party on....

[Johnsocat]

Perhaps since nothing else seems to make a difference, the "herd immunity" science along with the vaccine are the methods that will be most effective.

[toeser]

Well this is what happens when you have people making decisions, who reject science and even the actual evidence in front of their own faces.

Now granted, the initial closures were intended to reduce hospitalization, freeing up more beds and allowing medical professionals to catch up with the pandemic.

So I get that now that the virus has slowed some, they want to re-open. But FLORIDA never actually shut down. The state. Individual towns had various and sundry mandates, but the state didn't ever shut down. The virus was still free to spread, and simply funneled its way through the state, around the closed areas wherever people would bring it.

And since there was no mask mandate - and not only no mask mandate but Ocala's sheriff actually forbade mask wearing in his offices...

well all that happened was, the virus just slowed down a little, waiting for the opportunity to snap right back on up again. Now the state is encouraging people to gather in groups, unmasked, no social distancing - the science deniers are out en masse, getting all up close and personal, while those of us who are still "only" cautiously optimistic are told to stay home if it bothers us.

I'll continue to wear my mask in buildings that aren't my own property. And if you don't like seeing me wearing it, then stay home. I have the right to wear it, and you don't have the right to make me take it off.

There are "science deniers" on both sides of this equation. For example, in some areas restaurants have been totally shut down while a study out of New York showed that less than 2% of cases that were traced came from restaurants. Something like 8% of cases were traced to healthcare facilities and over 70% of cases were traced to private social gatherings.

[PugMom]

now you see why there are so many different opinions, & each 1 thinks theirs is the correct one. when a person with covid goes to check their mail, & is killed by passing vehicle, cause of death is covid. and the 1 person i DID think was sensible out of the whole pack, dr. birx (aka dr scarf), chose to step down from her position last week for breaking the same rules she had requested of us only days before. so a critical mind like mine, asks itself, 'hmmm, why would this world renowned expert place herself & entire family @ risk? is it not safe to be in crowds? why would she want to expose her grandkids to such a horrible disease? enquiring minds want to know'.:icon_wink: i'm not debating the existence of the disease, just the many changing rules surrounding it

[kcrazorbackfan]

People come in to where I work and use the excuse as they forgot their mask; my reply to them is “I wear mine because you don’t”.

I care about my health, my wife’s health and my 86 y/o mother in laws health because some of you don’t give a s**t and think you are Superman or Wonderwoman.

[jbrown132]

Well this is what happens when you have people making decisions, who reject science and even the actual evidence in front of their own faces.

Now granted, the initial closures were intended to reduce hospitalization, freeing up more beds and allowing medical professionals to catch up with the pandemic.

So I get that now that the virus has slowed some, they want to re-open. But FLORIDA never actually shut down. The state. Individual towns had various and sundry mandates, but the state didn't ever shut down. The virus was still free to spread, and simply funneled its way through the state, around the closed areas wherever people would bring it.

And since there was no mask mandate - and not only no mask mandate but Ocala's sheriff actually forbade mask wearing in his offices...

well all that happened was, the virus just slowed down a little, waiting for the opportunity to snap right back on up again. Now the state is encouraging people to gather in groups, unmasked, no social distancing - the science deniers are out en masse, getting all up close and personal, while those of us who are still "only" cautiously optimistic are told to stay home if it bothers us.

I'll continue to wear my mask in buildings that aren't my own property. And if you don't like seeing me wearing it, then stay home. I have the right to wear it, and you don't have the right to make me take it off.
I am not sure what to believe anymore. I keep hearing follow the science, follow the science. My question is, if the science is so correct then why is California, New York, and much of the northeast the worst hotbeds for this virus. These states have the toughest lock down rules, mandatory mask wearing rules, etc. yet have the highest rates of infection. If the science is so correct then this does not make sense. Also, if you “follow the science” then all schools should be open and restaurants should be open as only a very small percentage of transmission have been directly linked to these venues. In colleges the rate is much higher, not because the classrooms are not safe but rather close contact in dorms and parties inside where no one takes precautions. Also, one of the big bumps over the past month is directly related to family gatherings. Again, indoors no precautions. Statistically, they are saying the greatest percentage of transmissions are the result of close contact in enclosed spaces, thus lock downs may be the very cause of the greatest percentage of infections. If you wear a mask, which I do, but go out to restaurants were they are practicing CDC guidelines and are in open spaces the the chances of contracting the virus are relatively low. If that is the case then many businesses, their employees and those that support those businesses will survive in Florida, while those those in three areas I mentioned above will not.

[Ralewisy]

Fine, then. I’ll keep wearing my mask and stay home as much as possible. You can just keep exposing yourself and others, because no one can tell you what to do. But do the rest of us a favor - don’t go running to the hospital if/when you get sick.

[Dlbonivich]

Where does this info come from. The CEO of hospital has been emailing information out and I have not heard this

[spieka1912]

Make a plan for what?

Get your affairs in order if you get in a bad car wreck. You’re in deep trouble if no hospital can receive you. Virus patients will probably be okay but you’ll be in the street with no help. It’s not as simple as “don’t tell me what I can and can’t do.”

[xkeowner]

As of 9:02 this morning 6 of 26 ICU beds are available at the Villages hospital and 7 of 41 are available at Leesburg hospital. These numbers have remained relatively unchanged recently. Hospitalizations attributed to COVID have increased at both hospitals but not the ICU census.

[dhdallas]

The ICU at The Villages Hospital is full. Leesburg as well. Ocala? Make a Plan now.

The sky is falling!

[kansasr]

The ICU at The Villages Hospital is full. Leesburg as well. Ocala? Make a Plan now.
Don't know where you're getting your information, but UF Villages has been reporting just under 20% available ICU beds for the past few days and UF Leesburg around 15% ICU availability.

Workbook':' Public (https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/ICUBedsHospital?%3AshowAppBanner=false&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3AshowVizHome=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y)

[merrymini]

The virus will run it’s course through the population.
I know people who have taken every precaution catch the virus.
If someone gets ill, mask or no mask, they can go to the hospital and I would like to see the person who will stop them.
If you are afraid, stay home, your choice.
Stop telling me what to do.
Florida has done a pretty good job and so has it’s leadership.
If CA, NY, NJ have done so well with it’s draconian measures, why are so many people there sick?

[Marine1974]

The ICU at The Villages Hospital is full. Leesburg as well. Ocala? Make a Plan now.

I think the original post just blew over many peoples heads . Pretty serious situation if ICU beds are full .
Some parts of Florida did shut down or scale back .
Miami , Orlando etc etc , but people posting are still in denial of any facts you provide . They don’t want to follow the rules until there are penalties and consequences for their senseless, selfish and naive actions it seems .
I wonder how many deaths were prevented by people staying home and not driving though out our nation and millions of Americans working from home . I wonder how many infections were prevented by President Trumps military order for all their personnel to stay in place and not travel back in January 2020 and a travel ban from China . So what if there is in fact less deaths recorded in 2020 if that is even true . We still experienced 100s of thousands of people dying of Covid 19 and others that are experiencing long term Health problems from it .
Now we see a new strain that is more contagious and we still are experiencing people who won’t follow the CDC guidelines to protect themselves and others .
They are the ICU staff’s worst nightmare.

[lpkruege1]

Let's face it we're all going to die. Well at least at some point in time or another.

Follow the science? Which one? The CDC, the WHO, and Fauci keep changing their minds. Follow the science? You mean about people not getting their screening because of states shut down? How many more people are going to die from not being treated by missing normal screenings?

Follow the politicians like Gavin Newsome that breaks his own shut downs like other governor do?

If the masks work so well why are you worried about someone else not wearing theirs? Go early to the stores. Don't go to the squares, OR go to the squares and sit in a cart with your mask on. There are lot's of outdoor activities that you don't have to stay indoors. Live your life, just live it intelligently, or die from boredom. Remember, you can only control what you do, not what someone else does or believes. This is still a free country.

[tvbound]

Without trying to sidetrack the thread about ICU availability too much, I can't let slide those who are saying "If you don't like being indoors with those not wearing masks, stay home." To me, that's the same as if there weren't driving under the influence laws and telling people that "if you don't want to take the chance of being hit by someone drunk or drugged, just don't drive." IMHO, that smacks common sense, courtesy and decency toward others, right in the face. Which WILL eventually, adversely affect ICU bed availability.

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

Florida Governor has allowed its residents to make their own choices and I support his decision. If people attend events, go to the squares, have their family visit that are from out of town or any other place where their is a crowd they will have to accept the consequents of their actions. Because Florida is open we will have many businesses make it through this and bounce back. If you are not conformable stay home it's your choice.

AGREE!!! 100% Most, rpt, MOST of us are adults and can make adult decisions. Wear the mask and social distance but DO NOT SHUT DOWN THE STATE!!! Compare FL to NY & CA. They're shut down and it's not doing any good. Those 2 states are suffering from BEING SHUT DOWN & COVID!!!

[John_W]

Get your affairs in order if you get in a bad car wreck. You’re in deep trouble if no hospital can receive you.

You wouldn't of gone to TV Hospital anyway. My neighbor about 5 years ago had a bad motorcycle accident in Wildwood and was unconscious. When he awoke he was in Ocala Regional Hospital.

COVID-19: Officials say Ocala has plenty of hospital beds despite surge (https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2020/12/11/covid-19-officials-say-ocala-has-plenty-hospital-beds-despite-surge/3894411001/)

COVID-19: Officials say Ocala has plenty of hospital beds despite surge
December 11, 2020 Ocala Star Banner

State data shows there are 731 available hospital beds at Marion County's three main hospitals: AdventHealth Ocala (formerly Munroe Regional Medical Center), Ocala Regional Medical Center and West Marion Community Hospital.

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

The old "stay home if you don't like it" response. Kinda like the "if you have a complaint about life here in TV then move." Seriously, the only thing the FL GOV was doing was playing politics to impress an audience of one. Now that that audience is leaving the theater he'll be very lonely. Why should I be forced to stay home because of a bunch of people who don't or won't follow simple guidelines from scientists and doctors and who care about no one but themselves? I don't give a sh1t about what they do to themselves but when it affects me then I care. If everyone just followed CDC and scientific basic guidelines and NOT the political BS from the beginning this would be likely over or a heck of a lot better than it is now. Just look at California. Sadly that new strain will hit hard here as well. Don't hold your breath for a vaccine to solve it sooner rather than later either because that ain't happening so fast.

This is a totally immature post. "Stay at home if you don't like it" is the POLITICAL response. DeSantis could have shut FL down, but he didn't and FL is better for his decision. He could have shut FL down and FORCED YOU TO STAY HOME!!! Or, you can stay home if you like. I think most agree that a personal decision to stay home is better than being FORCED to stay home. I'll take my adult choices over Communist dictatorship any day!!!

[jbrown132]

Without trying to sidetrack the thread about ICU availability too much, I can't let slide those who are saying "If you don't like being indoors with those not wearing masks, stay home." To me, that's the same as if there weren't driving under the influence laws and telling people that "if you don't want to take the chance of being hit by someone drunk or drugged, just don't drive." IMHO, that smacks common sense, courtesy and decency toward others, right in the face. Which WILL eventually, adversely affect ICU bed availability.

Really poor analogy

[coconutmama]

I have lost 3 relatives to the virus so far. The sats don't matter if your loved one falls into the 4.3%, they die.

And no one knows the long term effects to our bodies, no matter how bad a case you contract. One of our friends has had Covid twice & still has lost senses of smell & taste.

Praying for the folks in ICU.

[tsmall22204]

There are those that cannot make their own choices. They are too blinded by their political choices. People are sometimes really stupid.

[shut the front door]

This is a link to the Florida hospital ICU and beds capacity. I have been watching since another poster provided it early in the pandemic. Florida overall has been and still is running approx. 20% capacity. Sumter is 10% ICU avail right now and Lake is 21%.

It's my hope this is helpful.

Workbook':' Public (https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/ICUBedsCounty?%3AshowAppBanner=false&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3AshowVizHome=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y)

Thank you for the post with FACTS. It's getting really tiresome reading these posts with no factual basis or link.
Sumter is now up to 20% availability and Lake is 19.3 as of 10:16 am.

Workbook':' Public (https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/ICUBedsHospital?%3AshowAppBanner=false&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3AshowVizHome=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y)

[lisafolker@gmail.com]

Plus you dont have the right to make me wear one..even play..

But you don’t have the right to take my life. It’s not even play, it’s hurtful.

[kenoc7]

Florida Governor has allowed its residents to make their own choices and I support his decision. If people attend events, go to the squares, have their family visit that are from out of town or any other place where their is a crowd they will have to accept the consequents of their actions. Because Florida is open we will have many businesses make it through this and bounce back. If you are not conformable stay home it's your choice.
"If people attend events, go to the squares, have their family visit that is from out of town or any other place where there is a crowd they will have to accept the consequents of their actions."
What a selfish arrogant attitude - the consequences will inevitably also be felt by others who get COVID from asymptomatic people and the additional health and societal costs will impact on everyone.

[kenoc7]

It appears to me that you can blame the government for not doing this or that, but rules just don't seem to matter to some people. There are those who will make up fairy stories and reject science no matter who tells them to do this or that. Also the need to continue with business is crucial to the whole system of keeping people employed and getting them money for important things like food and shelter. It was not an easy call for anyone in authority. I am glad it wasn't on my shoulders.

But of course we each had to do what was best for us. If teachers thought that being in the classroom was too risky, then they may have decided to do another type of work temporarily. Some people like the ones who work in grocery stores are the true hero's to me. The people most at risk, usually were retired and could shelter in place and protect themselves and others, but some could not. This awful pandemic was not something that could be solved with edicts and legislation. I think most people got tired of doing what they were told. I am amused at the ones who preach about doing this or that, but allow themselves convenient loopholes to do pretty much what they wanted to do.

Humans are strange animals. I cannot wait to get the vaccine and see the end of this.
"This awful pandemic was not something that could be solved with edicts and legislation."

It was solved by edicts and legislation in New Zealand, Taiwan, Australia, and a number of other countries.

[kenoc7]

Plus you dont have the right to make me wear one..even play..
Rubbish, you must follow laws and public health requirements if you have any sense of the common good.

[Waltdisney4life]

Make a plan total bs! Let’s sell the fear instead of the facts. Do the the fear mongers enjoy scaring seniors with bs like this thread?

[062848]

Strange

[kenoc7]

Humbug - Typical liberal big government political opinions buried in supposedly wise words.

In a free America, each citizen has the right to THINK and take necessary action to protect themselves. Do not need Gov mandates or big brother politicians that love to tell you what to do. How many times must they be caught doing opposite of what they dictate to others?? (In closed hair salon, in a park riding bike while quarantined, in a fancy restaurant with group, on and on)

I will continue wearing my mask, staying out of public buildings, and stay distanced until the numbers subside.
NOT because of the politicians dictates from on high, but because I follow mostly common sense.
"Humbug - Typical liberal big government political opinions buried in supposedly wise words."

Humbug to you - it is about the common good and our responsibility to others, not just your selfish self.

[Carla B]

Thank you for the post with FACTS. It's getting really tiresome reading these posts with no factual basis or link.
Sumter is now up to 20% availability and Lake is 19.3 as of 10:16 am.

Workbook':' Public (https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/ICUBedsHospital?%3AshowAppBanner=false&%3Adisplay_count=n&%3AshowVizHome=n&%3Aorigin=viz_share_link&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y)

From the same source at 11:02 a.m.: Out of a total capacity of 90, there are only four ICU beds available in Marion County, so in answer to Post No. 1, I wouldn't plan on going there.

[Topspinmo]

Probably should fact check your reference before posting.

Fact check: Chart does not present accurate US deaths figure for 2020 | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chart-us-death-figures-2020-idUSKBN2872MV)

There no accurate way to know how many die in year and what they died of let along how accurate the information entered.

I do know this, I see lot more people in obituaries now than ever before.

[Topspinmo]

"This awful pandemic was not something that could be solved with edicts and legislation."

It was solved by edicts and legislation in New Zealand, Taiwan, Australia, and a number of other countries.


Island countries with small population.

[Tblue]

now you see why there are so many different opinions, & each 1 thinks theirs is the correct one. when a person with covid goes to check their mail, & is killed by passing vehicle, cause of death is covid. and the 1 person i DID think was sensible out of the whole pack, dr. birx (aka dr scarf), chose to step down from her position last week for breaking the same rules she had requested of us only days before. so a critical mind like mine, asks itself, 'hmmm, why would this world renowned expert place herself & entire family @ risk? is it not safe to be in crowds? why would she want to expose her grandkids to such a horrible disease? enquiring minds want to know'.:icon_wink: i'm not debating the existence of the disease, just the many changing rules surrounding it

I agree, the disease is real but the PR part of the pandemic has been botched and statements coming out of people with authority seems to change. Dr Brix saying if you die with COVID you are counted as a COVID death is about as botched as it gets as the death numbers drive everything, masks, shut downs, everything

[Bill14564]

"This awful pandemic was not something that could be solved with edicts and legislation."

It was solved by edicts and legislation in New Zealand, Taiwan, Australia, and a number of other countries.

No, it was not solved, it was postponed. When the restrictions are eased the pandemic is right there waiting.

There was an interesting article somewhere this morning about Taiwan. That country has had great success controlling the pandemic by almost completely closing their borders. Now they face the question of when to reopen - the article suggests 2022 at the earliest.

[Topspinmo]

But you don’t have the right to take my life. It’s not even play, it’s hurtful.

You have the right to move and not stand there, when I see people getting too close I just move.

[JoMar]

Florida Governor has allowed its residents to make their own choices and I support his decision. If people attend events, go to the squares, have their family visit that are from out of town or any other place where their is a crowd they will have to accept the consequents of their actions. Because Florida is open we will have many businesses make it through this and bounce back. If you are not conformable stay home it's your choice.

They don't have to accept the consequences of their actions because they probably don't know they caused consequences. What's troubling is the disregard for the welfare of others when we could help. I don't know about many of you but my parents and grandparents instilled a sense of community and a need to do stuff that helps the community. I like to believe that still exists in most of us but there are attitudes like this post that ignores the good actions necessary for the many for the selfish actions of the few (thanks Spock).