Comparing

[PennBF]

To compare New York Vaccine allocations to Florida. Our son who works in a medical facility as a Health Care worker will receive his Vaccine shot today in NY because they are at high risk. While in Florida (The Villages) we see pictures of the politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers who risk their lives every day. Worst yet, we watch the Governor stand and observe this alleged disregard for fairness taking place? Where the heck are we
headed as a society?:ohdear:

[manaboutown]

I love how things are done in Florida.

[PennBF]

Thank you Manabout town. I question those who take issue with raising the subject of abuses to the system. If there is an abuse to certain areas of our community why would someone question the raising of the issue? What is their payback? A payback is trying to prevent the same abuse to the residents from happening again! How does it go, "those who ignore history are destined to repeat it". I would hope this history is not repeated or ignored! A cover up is usually the basis for trying to stop someone from speaking out. If continuing to point out the abuse so more elderly in assisted living or the health workers who are at high risk are not passed over again for the vaccine then repeating and highlighting the abuse is well worth it and my payback!!:ohdear:

[graciegirl]

The State of New York has administered about 300,000 doses of vaccine so far.
The State of Florida has administered about 291,000 doses of vaccine so far.

The states who have administered the most vaccine doses so far are California, New York, Florida and Texas.

They all are following the same tier; first medical workers than elderly at risk in nursing homes then those over 75.

I personally heard Governor Desantis say on TV that he would not receive the vaccine until his parents do.

Here is a breakdown of vaccine administered by State so far.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot? (https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/covid-vaccine-states-distribution-doses/

Ron DeSantis will wait his turn for the COVID-19 vaccine (https://floridapolitics.com/archives/390202-ron-desantis-will-wait-his-turn-for-the-covid-19-vaccine)

[graciegirl]

To compare New York Vaccine allocations to Florida. Our son who works in a medical facility as a Health Care worker will receive his Vaccine shot today in NY because they are at high risk. While in Florida (The Villages) we see pictures of the politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers who risk their lives every day. Worst yet, we watch the Governor stand and observe this alleged disregard for fairness taking place? Where the heck are we
headed as a society?:ohdear:

I don't see any pictures of politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers". Can you provide a link to this?

Again I say that New York State has had roughly 300,000 people receive the Covid-19 Vaccine and Florida has had about ten thousand less receive the Covid-19 vaccine. In the SAME order. First health care workers, than elderly in long term care and then people over 75. The Governor has not received the vaccine. He says he will not until his parents do.

I think you are stating a belief that the State of New York is superior to other States. Hmmmpf.

I read where an 89 year old in a long term care facility was "invited" by the owners of the company distributing the vaccine to get the vaccine. The owner of the company is wealthy and so is this 89 year old lady. It is not a sin to be wealthy unless you broke the law and harmed someone. A lot of people got wealthy the old fashioned way; working hard, sometimes two jobs and saving their money. I think it is possible that the owner of the company who is distributing the vaccine may have tried to pull strings for friends. People have done worse. People will do worse.

My husband doesn't entirely agree with me on this. He said we were told older people first and now some counties are going "first come first served".

I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.

[JimJohnson]

Well said Ms Gracie.

[Dana1963]

I don't see any pictures of politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers". Can you provide a link to this?

Again I say that New York State has had roughly 300,000 people receive the Covid-19 Vaccine and Florida has had about ten thousand less receive the Covid-19 vaccine. In the SAME order. First health care workers, than elderly in long term care and then people over 75. The Governor has not received the vaccine. He says he will not until his parents do.

I think you are stating a belief that the State of New York is superior to other States. Hmmmpf.

I read where an 89 year old in a long term care facility was "invited" by the owners of the company distributing the vaccine to get the vaccine. The owner of the company is wealthy and so is this 89 year old lady. It is not a sin to be wealthy unless you broke the law and harmed someone. A lot of people got wealthy the old fashioned way; working hard, sometimes two jobs and saving their money. I think it is possible that the owner of the company who is distributing the vaccine may have tried to pull strings for friends. People have done worse. People will do worse.

My husband doesn't entirely agree with me on this. He said we were told older people first and now some counties are going "first come first served".

I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.
“I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.”

Sorry you are so wrong “graciegirl” even if you receive the vaccine you still can get infected and pass it on. Vaccine just assist your immune system in dealing with Virus macking it less severe for you.

[graciegirl]

“I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.”

Sorry you are so wrong “graciegirl” even if you receive the vaccine you still can get infected and pass it on. Vaccine just assist your immune system in dealing with Virus macking it less severe for you.

All of them (Moderna, Astra-Zeneca and Pfizer) are right around 94% effective against the disease. No seasonal flu vaccine in my memory has even been close to being that effective against the flu virus. The Vaccine assists your immune system to make it so that it is highly unlikely you will catch Covid-19 and give it to anyone else. I am not "so wrong". You are misinformed.


FDA: Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Is 94% Effective : Shots - Health News : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/15/946554638/fda-analysis-of-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-finds-it-effective-and-safe)

Moderna'''s COVID-19 Vaccine is 94.5% Effective. Here'''s What That Means | Time (https://time.com/5912491/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness/)

What Does 95% Effective Mean? Teaching the Math of Vaccine Efficacy - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/learning/what-does-95-effective-mean-teaching-the-math-of-vaccine-efficacy.html)

[Debfrommaine]

To compare New York Vaccine allocations to Florida. Our son who works in a medical facility as a Health Care worker will receive his Vaccine shot today in NY because they are at high risk. While in Florida (The Villages) we see pictures of the politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers who risk their lives every day. Worst yet, we watch the Governor stand and observe this alleged disregard for fairness taking place? Where the heck are we
headed as a society?:ohdear:

I work in healthcare here, vaccines are being administered efficiently, IMO, in my workplace. Had my first injection Saturday, no issues all the way around.

[golfing eagles]

“I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.”

Sorry you are so wrong “graciegirl” even if you receive the vaccine you still can get infected and pass it on. Vaccine just assist your immune system in dealing with Virus macking it less severe for you.

Just in case there are others who don't understand how viruses work, let me explain just a bit further.

A person encounters the virus, and with sufficient inoculum that it enters the body and finds its way to its preferred target tissues (liver for hepatitis, brain for encephalitis, etc.). The virus then enters the cells by passing through the cell membrane, in the case of COVID this is accomplished via the "spike protein". It then hijacks that cell's nucleic acid and protein replicative mechanisms to make many copies of itself, which eventually kills that cell and are released into the bloodstream. From there it can leave the persons body to infect others (coughing/spitting in the case of COVID, the "other end" in the case of Hepatitis A, etc.)

So, a person successfully vaccinated will do one or all of:

1) kill the original inoculum before it reaches target tissue
2) deny the original inoculum entry into the cell
3) deny the virus access to the cells replicative processes

Therefore, the vaccinated person does not get the disease, does not replicate the virus, and does not pass it on

[golfing eagles]

To compare New York Vaccine allocations to Florida. Our son who works in a medical facility as a Health Care worker will receive his Vaccine shot today in NY because they are at high risk. While in Florida (The Villages) we see pictures of the politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers who risk their lives every day. Worst yet, we watch the Governor stand and observe this alleged disregard for fairness taking place? Where the heck are we
headed as a society?:ohdear:

Oh, and one more thing. We were able to develop not one ore two, but three vaccines in record time, mass produce them and are now faced with the difficult phase of distributing them. Why some people want to turn that into some sort of lame political statement is beyond my understanding. So ONE healthcare worker in NY got his vaccine and ONE politician in Florida got it. SO WHAT????? Many Florida vaccination sites are first come, first serve. To imply this is some vast conspiracy of the rich and elite over the working class is a level of delusion not shared by even Marx or Lenin.

[stanley]

So, a person successfully vaccinated will do one or all of:

1) kill the original inoculum before it reaches target tissue
2) deny the original inoculum entry into the cell
3) deny the virus access to the cells replicative processes
Therefore, the vaccinated person does not get the disease, does not replicate the virus, and does not pass it on

Has something changed in the last two months?

"A key point to note, however, is that the vaccine isn’t an end-all solution to the pandemic. That’s in large part because any inoculations developed now are focused on simply preventing symptoms from arising, rather than blocking out the virus altogether."

Fauci: Early COVID-19 vaccines will only prevent symptoms, not block the virus (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fauci-vaccines-will-only-prevent-symptoms-not-block-the-virus-195051568.html)

[PennBF]

To clarify some misinformation in some responses. ALL employees that wanted the vaccine got it in the medical facility in New York!! Not just one! It's pretty bad when there is a "rush" to justify not giving available vaccine to the ones that need it, (e.g. Assisted Living Elderly, Health Care workers, et al) and trying to support those that pushed them out of line for themselves. Because no reasonable person or caring person would justify that action then it is reasonable to assume the ones behind the attempt to hide the issue are receiving some form of "payback".:ho:

[graciegirl]

To clarify some misinformation in some responses. ALL employees that wanted the vaccine got it in the medical facility in New York!! Not just one! It's pretty bad when there is a "rush" to justify not giving available vaccine to the ones that need it, (e.g. Assisted Living Elderly, Health Care workers, et al) and trying to support those that pushed them out of line for themselves. Because no reasonable person or caring person would justify that action then it is reasonable to assume the ones behind the attempt to hide the issue are receiving some form of "payback".:ho:

I do not think you are clear as to what is really happening. Please read what Golfing Eagles wrote. Please. EVERY POST ON THIS THREAD FROM GOLFING EAGLES. He is an M.D. from the State of New York, now living here.

[golfing eagles]

Has something changed in the last two months?

"A key point to note, however, is that the vaccine isn’t an end-all solution to the pandemic. That’s in large part because any inoculations developed now are focused on simply preventing symptoms from arising, rather than blocking out the virus altogether."

Fauci: Early COVID-19 vaccines will only prevent symptoms, not block the virus (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fauci-vaccines-will-only-prevent-symptoms-not-block-the-virus-195051568.html)

No, nothing has changed, viruses have behaved this way for millions of years. Fauci's comment was before the vaccine was developed, and from what I read most likely way out of context---he knows this stuff better than I do.

Specifically, COVID needs its spike protein to enter cells. The vaccines attack the spike protein. No spike protein=no cellular entry=no viral reproduction=no transmission, and Tony knows that.

Probably he was trying to emphasize that no vaccine will instantly end the pandemic, the powers that be do not want everyone getting careless as the finish line approaches

[PennBF]

I seriously don't understand what the input from "Golf Eagles" has to do with my post? Mine deals with the fairness of the distribution and abuses regarding the distribution and usage of the vaccine while Golf Eagles deals with the technical medical structure and properties of the virus/vaccine and its preventative qualities. Those are two very different subjects!!:ho:

[graciegirl]

I seriously don't understand what the input from "Golf Eagles" has to do with my post? Mine deals with the fairness of the distribution and abuses regarding the distribution and usage of the vaccine while Golf Eagles deals with the technical medical structure and properties of the virus/vaccine and its preventative qualities. Those are two very different subjects!!:ho:

Here is Golfing Eagle's post at 7:10 this morning, which deals with distribution and abuses of the vaccine;


"Oh, and one more thing. We were able to develop not one ore two, but three vaccines in record time, mass produce them and are now faced with the difficult phase of distributing them. Why some people want to turn that into some sort of lame political statement is beyond my understanding. So ONE healthcare worker in NY got his vaccine and ONE politician in Florida got it. SO WHAT????? Many Florida vaccination sites are first come, first serve. To imply this is some vast conspiracy of the rich and elite over the working class is a level of delusion not shared by even Marx or Lenin."

[Malsua]

No, nothing has changed, viruses have behaved this way for millions of years. Fauci's comment was before the vaccine was developed, and from what I read most likely way out of context---he knows this stuff better than I do.

Specifically, COVID needs its spike protein to enter cells. The vaccines attack the spike protein. No spike protein=no cellular entry=no viral reproduction=no transmission, and Tony knows that.

Probably he was trying to emphasize that no vaccine will instantly end the pandemic, the powers that be do not want everyone getting careless as the finish line approaches

If there is a conspiracy, it's the one where people believe that a vaccinated person, who is protected from the virus can somehow pass this same virus on to a new person. That's not how it works.

The MRNA vaccine reprograms your own cells to produce a protein that is found on the spike protein on the virus. Once your body find this invader(that you created) it destroys it with Tcells and ultimately makes Bcell antibodies and hopefully memory tcells. Therefore, once you get an actual exposure to the genuine Virus, your body knows exactly how to handle it. You never get sick, the cells that do get infected are destroyed and therefore you can't shed enough virus to get anyone else sick.

Yes, there are therapeutics that mask symptoms. Theses aren't vaccines.

I think what Fauci was talking about was that you can STILL get the virus in you. That's always been true. What the virus cannot do in a vaccinated person is convert your cellular machinery over to make massive quantities of itself and sicken you in the process. It can't do this because the vaccine told your body what to be on the alert for.

[golfing eagles]

If there is a conspiracy, it's the one where people believe that a vaccinated person, who is protected from the virus can somehow pass this same virus on to a new person. That's not how it works.

The MRNA vaccine reprograms your own cells to produce a protein that is found on the spike protein on the virus. Once your body find this invader(that you created) it destroys it with Tcells and ultimately makes Bcell antibodies and hopefully memory tcells. Therefore, once you get an actual exposure to the genuine Virus, your body knows exactly how to handle it. You never get sick, the cells that do get infected are destroyed and therefore you can't shed enough virus to get anyone else sick.

Yes, there are therapeutics that mask symptoms. Theses aren't vaccines.

I think what Fauci was talking about was that you can STILL get the virus in you. That's always been true. What the virus cannot do in a vaccinated person is convert your cellular machinery over to make massive quantities of itself and sicken you in the process. It can do this because the vaccine told your body what to be on the alert for.

Thank you. Hopefully you stated it better than I did and people might understand.:bigbow::bigbow:

[Bill14564]

.....

Therefore, the vaccinated person does not get the disease, does not replicate the virus, and does not pass it on

The message from the CDC does not relay the same level of certainty about passing it on to others. From this CDC page (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html):


Do I need to wear a mask and avoid close contact with others if I have received 2 doses of the vaccine?

Yes. While experts learn more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide under real-life conditions, it will be important for everyone to continue using all the tools available to us to help stop this pandemic, like covering your mouth and nose with a mask, washing hands often, and staying at least 6 feet away from others. .....

When can I stop wearing a mask and avoiding close contact with others after I have been vaccinated?

There is not enough information currently available to say if or when CDC will stop recommending that people wear masks and avoid close contact with others to help prevent the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19. Experts need to understand more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide before making that decision. .....

Perhaps the CDC understands the virus and vaccine exactly the way you do but are providing this guidance for reasons other than those stated.

[golfing eagles]

The message from the CDC does not relay the same level of certainty about passing it on to others. From this CDC page (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html):


Do I need to wear a mask and avoid close contact with others if I have received 2 doses of the vaccine?

Yes. While experts learn more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide under real-life conditions, it will be important for everyone to continue using all the tools available to us to help stop this pandemic, like covering your mouth and nose with a mask, washing hands often, and staying at least 6 feet away from others. .....

When can I stop wearing a mask and avoiding close contact with others after I have been vaccinated?

There is not enough information currently available to say if or when CDC will stop recommending that people wear masks and avoid close contact with others to help prevent the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19. Experts need to understand more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide before making that decision. .....

Perhaps the CDC understands the virus and vaccine exactly the way you do but are providing this guidance for reasons other than those stated.

They're doing exactly what I would expect them to do----playing it conservative. And I'm sure you know what happens if they don't-----people will be careless 10 minutes after getting their first dose, skip the second dose, wade maskless into a crowd because they plan on getting the vaccine tomorrow, etc.

[Malsua]

Perhaps the CDC understands the virus and vaccine exactly the way you do but are providing this guidance for reasons other than those stated.

I believe the reason they are saying this is that they aren't sure how well circulating anti-bodies will prevent areas of the nasopharynx(the back of your nose) from becoming infected and start shedding virus before the immune system shuts it down. It is understandable to use the precautionary principle in the face of unknowns.

The problem I have with this is that anyone who has a raging virus infection in their nose is, by all definitions, going to be symptomatic. It takes a raging infection to generate enough shedding to infect others.

A study out of China recently with over 5000 participants found that 126 truly asymptomatic people spread it to exactly zero others. These people were not vaccinated but infected.

Everyone who is symptomatic should be quarantined or under multiple layers of PPE. A mouth gator is not enough.

If you are not showing symptoms and you're a month out from your second shot, your chance of infecting anyone else is so close to zero as to be indistinguishable from zero.

Again, understand that the only way you infect others is if your body is making trillions of virus particles and spreading them all over the place. Your body makes these from infected cells. If you have the vaccine, you can't make the virus. Not making it? Not infecting anyone.

[PennBF]

Wow, I see why the Moderator's have a hard time. A simple question as to why some were able to abuse the need for the virus vaccine by pushing the Health Care workers of out line, allegedly because they were connected, has been distorted to how the vaccine works to prevent the virus. There is absolutely no correlation between the two subjects. However the surprising point is how many ignore the abuse and either try to justify it which is a further abuse of these already abusive acts or try to divert the subject in hopes it will be covered up or go away. As my 100 year old grandfather would say, "what is this world coming to? Where are the ones who stand up for what is right have gone? The simple and hopefully understood question was: Do you support the Health Care workers and Assisted Liven elderly receiving the virus before those allegedly connected? Please stay on the subject!!:ho:

[golfing eagles]

Wow, I see why the Moderator's have a hard time. A simple question as to why some were able to abuse the need for the virus vaccine by pushing the Health Care workers of out line, allegedly because they were connected, has been distorted to how the vaccine works to prevent the virus. There is absolutely no correlation between the two subjects. However the surprising point is how many ignore the abuse and either try to justify it which is a further abuse of these already abusive acts or try to divert the subject in hopes it will be covered up or go away. As my 100 year old grandfather would say, "what is this world coming to? Where are the ones who stand up for what is right have gone? The simple and hopefully understood question was: Do you support the Health Care workers and Assisted Liven elderly receiving the virus before those allegedly connected? Please stay on the subject!!:ho:

The posts got a little off topic after a very nice post by GG was responded by calling her "wrong" and that a vaccinated person could spread the virus. That misinformation was so egregious that it required a response. Then another poster, who doesn't understand how these things work, chimed in with some old, out of context quote.

But to get back on topic, I just don't understand the OP. Distribution of this vaccine from 3 different sources to 50 states, thousands of hospitals and hundreds of thousands of doctors must be a nightmare, not to mention the continued production needed probably being outstripped by the demand.

The OP stated a relative that is a healthcare worker was getting his shot in NY today, but then cited some incident in Florida, not documented, of a "connected" person or a politician getting a dose before healthcare workers. Perhaps I didn't understand his point, but it looked to me like he was implying that Florida had a policy of vaccinating the rich, powerful, or politically connected before healthcare workers, nursing home residents and seniors with the blessing of the governor. That is simply BS

Want a shot in Florida? There are multiple first come, first served sites for seniors that do not require wealth or political connections. To the OP---please correct me if you feel I misconstrued your post

[CoachKandSportsguy]

So, coachk, my better half, is on hospital senior staff calls at her medical center. The states' health departments are in charge of rules of distribution. hospitals have been sent doses of vaccine for distribution. The hospitals are responsible for setting up and administering the vaccines for round 1 / So hospitals can make their own distribution decisions.

So first, state health departments are staffed by beaurocrats who know how to write requirements. however, the requirements can have execution issues if they try to get too specific on the requirements. But also, the requirements can miss certain groups of people, such as private practice physicians not affiliated with hospitals.

Likewise, finding extra nurses, and non hospital settings to administer with parking, socially distanced waiting and observation areas, and medical response for reactions takes time. But the doses start showing up with a life span, and refridgeration requirements, so the initial beaucratic rules are cumbersome to execute quickly.

So in light of this experience, and shelf life, etc, there will be changes in directions and not a perfectly fair down to the individual distribution process. So enough with the SJW whining spending time finding imperfections to your expected outcome

FYI, coachk got her first shot and she had nothing but a sore arm after 48 hours. 3 of her staff got their first today.

just be patient and give the very stressed health care system a break, and help out if you can by being on time, and following directions. .

sportsguy

[PennBF]

One last shot at clarifying the point that was made. (1) In NY the Health Care Workers were the first to get the vaccine as demonstrated by a rule in a Rehab Center. (2) In the Villages allegedly 5-6 politically or developer connected were the first to get the vaccine.
They were not connected to any Health Care Facility or Assisted living elderly. (3) How can this happen so high risk residents can be pushed out of line for allegedly "connected" person(s) who are not in this high risk category? Simple question? This is not a complicated question and a simple who do you support to be the first to get the vaccine? An alleged politically connected resident or a high risk resident? Can't make it simpler than that ! Oh yes, the alleged politically corrected could have declined the vaccine in favor
of the high risk but that would have meant doing the right thing!!:ohdear:

[graciegirl]

One last shot at clarifying the point that was made. (1) In NY the Health Care Workers were the first to get the vaccine as demonstrated by a rule in a Rehab Center. (2) In the Villages allegedly 5-6 politically or developer connected were the first to get the vaccine.
They were not connected to any Health Care Facility or Assisted living elderly. (3) How can this happen so high risk residents can be pushed out of line for allegedly "connected" person(s) who are not in this high risk category? Simple question? This is not a complicated question and a simple who do you support to be the first to get the vaccine? An alleged politically connected resident or a high risk resident? Can't make it simpler than that ! Oh yes, the alleged politically corrected could have declined the vaccine in favor
of the high risk but that would have meant doing the right thing!!:ohdear:

WHERE have you heard for sure that ANYONE in THE VILLAGES GOT THE SHOT at all? I did hear yesterday that one of my friends who lives in The Villages was able to book an appointment for the Covid-19 vaccine at a Publix in Marion County.

I did hear that our Sumter county first batch of vaccines meant for us, somehow got redirected to Gainesville for their medical staff. I cannot prove that, but my husband told me that and he is usually quite good at checking the veracity of things he tells me.

P.S. I tried to get an appointment at Publix at Marion County but now they are all booked up.

I know, knowing people as I do, that there will be some who use sneaky, underhanded ways to get ANYTHING they want. But most Villagers do not. I don't know why. As a group most of us are pretty good scouts.

[biker1]

Huh? Lots of people in The Villages have received the vaccine. For example, my wife.

WHERE have you heard for sure that ANYONE in THE VILLAGES GOT THE SHOT at all? I did hear yesterday that one of my friends who lives in The Villages was able to book an appointment for the Covid-19 vaccine at a Publix in Marion County.

I did hear that our Sumter county first batch of vaccines meant for us, somehow got redirected to Gainesville for their medical staff. I cannot prove that, but my husband told me that and he is usually quite good at checking the veracity of things he tells me.

P.S. I tried to get an appointment at Publix at Marion County but now they are all booked up.

I know, knowing people as I do, that there will be some who use sneaky, underhanded ways to get ANYTHING they want. But most Villagers do not. I don't know why. As a group most of us are pretty good scouts.

[PennBF]

If you check the Archives at the Village Sun Newspaper you will see some pictures of the alleged 5-6 politically or developers connected people getting the vaccine shot along with the Governor watching the proceedings! If that fails you can see the picture in the Electronic News. :popcorn:

[TCNY61]

To clarify some misinformation in some responses. ALL employees that wanted the vaccine got it in the medical facility in New York!! Not just one! It's pretty bad when there is a "rush" to justify not giving available vaccine to the ones that need it, (e.g. Assisted Living Elderly, Health Care workers, et al) and trying to support those that pushed them out of line for themselves. Because no reasonable person or caring person would justify that action then it is reasonable to assume the ones behind the attempt to hide the issue are receiving some form of "payback".:ho:

My mother in law is in a nursing home in NY. They have not all gotten the vaccine yet. They were not going to give it to her because they didn't have enough but my wife convinced them to give it to her this past Monday. Many more are still waiting.

[davem4616]

rolling out this vaccine is a HUGE, HUGE deal. There is no pathway to follow, everything that has to be done is breaking new ground. Thank goodness a vaccine was developed in the short time that it took. Now the manufacturing is ramping up, the distribution sites and procedures are coming together....it's a work in progress.

yet some people are storming the doors like they do on "Black Friday" trying to 'get theirs'

take a breath...you don't need to be the first kid on your block to get the vaccine. The supply will catch up with the demand.
in the meantime...continue to play it safe.

you're important, but so is everybody, so sit down and stop complaining

[graciegirl]

Huh? Lots of people in The Villages have received the vaccine. For example, my wife.

I am glad to hear it. Is your wife medical? Or just falls into the age bracket? Or perhaps in long term care?

Could you share how she got the shot?

[EdFNJ]

Sorry you are so wrong “graciegirl” even if you receive the vaccine you still can get infected and pass it on. Vaccine just assist your immune system in dealing with Virus macking it less severe for you. That still has not yet been determined. The companies are still looking into that.

Coronavirus Resource Center - Harvard Health (https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-resource-center#:~:text=The%20answer%20is%2C%20we,virus%20t o%20someone%20else).

Will the COVID-19 vaccine prevent me from infecting others?
The answer is, we don't know. Clinical trials of the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines found that both do a good job preventing symptomatic COVID-19 disease, including severe COVID-19. However, the trials did not measure whether a person who is vaccinated is less likely to spread the virus to someone else. It's possible that the vaccines protect against COVID-19 disease by preventing a person from becoming infected in the first place. However, it's also possible that the vaccine protects a person from COVID-19 illness, but does not prevent a person from becoming infected. In other words, a vaccinated person may have replicating virus in their nose and throat even if they are protected from becoming sick.

But does that mean that you have enough virus in your nose and throat to infect someone else? Not necessarily. It's possible that the immune response triggered by the vaccine, which protects you from becoming sick, also reduces the amount of virus in your nose and throat to a point where you are unlikely to spread it to someone else. But we need more research to know for sure.

The bottom line? If you're among the first groups of people to get vaccinated, it's best to continue wearing masks and maintaining physical distance in order to protect others who haven't yet gotten the vaccine.

[graciegirl]

If you check the Archives at the Village Sun Newspaper you will see some pictures of the alleged 5-6 politically or developers connected people getting the vaccine shot along with the Governor watching the proceedings! If that fails you can see the picture in the Electronic News. :popcorn:

Nothing in archives at Daily Sun. I found this from the online news;

"On the day when Gov. Ron DeSantis staged a press event in The Villages that saw five residents with strong ties to the Developer and local government get COVID-19 vaccines, the number of new cases of the deadly virus in the local community made another huge jump.

DeSantis made a return visit to The Villages for a press conference at UF Health The Villages Hospital to promise that elderly residents across the state will soon be getting COVID-19 vaccinations. He said a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advisory committee had over the weekend recommended that younger essential workers get placed ahead of elderly Floridians in the vaccine line – something he won’t stand for in the Sunshine State.

“Let me just be very, very clear. Our vaccines are going to be targeted for our elderly population,” he promised. “As we get into the general community, the vaccines are going to be targeted where the risk is the greatest, and that is in our elderly population, we are not going to put young healthy workers ahead of our elderly vulnerable population.”

DeSantis then stood by as the five Villagers and some UF Health employees received the vaccinations. The local residents with ties to The Villages Developer who were inoculated included:

Steve Printz, who voters recently ousted from the Sumter County Commission;
Diane Spencer, a director on the North Sumter County Utility Dependent District Board;
Peter Moeller, chairman of the Project Wide Advisory Committee and a Community Development District 6 supervisor;
Rich Cole, a Republican Party leader and head of The Villages Amputee Support group; and
Doug Tharp, who serves on the Village Center Community Development District Board of Supervisors and is a former president of The Villages Homeowners Association.
Meanwhile, two more local residents lost their battle with COVID-19 – one from Sumter County and the other from Marion County. They were among the 839 fatalities in the tri-county area, the 21,052 deaths in Florida and the 321,698 across the country."

And Pennbf. This really supports I think what you were trying to say. However, I don't look at these people as being anything but readily available and do not begrudge them or anyone the vaccine. Did you hear me write, that I think this proves you were right? I think? I happen to be kinda likin' those people, although I don't know any of them personally, but I have no quarrel with them Pennbf.

[biker1]

Apparently, the vaccine is available for health care workers, folks in skilled nursing facilities, and those over 65. She is over 65 and received the vaccine at Publix via on-line registration. I'm 29 so I have a wait a bit ;-)

I am glad to hear it. Is your wife medical? Or just falls into the age bracket? Or perhaps in long term care?

Could you share how she got the shot?

[graciegirl]

Apparently, the vaccine is available for health care workers, folks in skilled nursing facilities, and those over 65. She is over 65 and received the vaccine at Publix via on-line registration.

Excellent. She must be one of the first. I am taking DaveM's advice to heart. We have waited this long, we can wait a bit longer.

[biker1]

It appears that only about 1/3 of the doses that Florida has received so far have been used. I hope they are holding back 1/2 of the doses for the second shot or a continual supply of new doses is now happening for first and second shots. I would suspect that the process will be accelerating as we move forward in time.

Excellent. She must be one of the first. I am taking DaveM's advice to heart. We have waited this long, we can wait a bit longer.

[PennBF]

This is what Dr Fauci posted:

" Doctor Fauci started off by revealing who should be first in line to get the highly anticipated vaccine, "the ones that have a more likely chance of getting a severe outcome if infected with COVID-19. They include the "vulnerable people, the elderly individuals with underlying conditions, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, individuals with those types of diseases," he explained. "In addition, people who are autoimmune compromised, for example cancer patients who are on chemotherapy and a variety of autoimmune patients who might have suppressed immune response."

I did not see "politically or developer connected on the list. Question what should they have done? The answer was to man up and refuse and dedicate the vaccine to those in vulnerable position(s)!! That would have been the moral and ethical thing to do. It does speak a lot about the moral and ethical conscience you can expect from some. They should be ashamed of themselves!!:ohdear:

[EdFNJ]

WHERE have you heard for sure that ANYONE in THE VILLAGES GOT THE SHOT at all?

Well now you do/did, I got up at 7:45 AM on Wednesday and started clicking on the website LISTED ON THE SUMTER COUNTY DEPT OF HEALTH WEBSITE. I got through at 8:00:03AM and got 2 "tickets" for wife and I which were sold out in under 10 minutes. They said over 35,000 people tried to obtain about 325 shots. My appointment was between 10-11AM and when I got there at 10:15 there were about 60 other cars MOST of which had 2 people (shots) so that cut down the number of distinct calls probably by 30%. I got the shot yesterday along with a total of over 325 other people throughout the 4 morning hour appointment windows. 250 people got it (IIRC) on Tuesday from the phone in fiasco. Short of a sore arm it is painless. Now you can say you know someone (actually 2). Autographs provided for a small token fee. :D If you still need "proof" attached is a photo of the place where it happened. It was at the Wildwood Community Center on Powell. Oh, for those who are wondering they will be calling us for the second shot info and appointments in about 2 weeks. As of now they do not have specifics on shot 2 other than that.

[drcar]

WHERE have you heard for sure that ANYONE in THE VILLAGES GOT THE SHOT at all? I did hear yesterday that one of my friends who lives in The Villages was able to book an appointment for the Covid-19 vaccine at a Publix in Marion County.

I did hear that our Sumter county first batch of vaccines meant for us, somehow got redirected to Gainesville for their medical staff. I cannot prove that, but my husband told me that and he is usually quite good at checking the veracity of things he tells me.

P.S. I tried to get an appointment at Publix at Marion County but now they are all booked up.

I know, knowing people as I do, that there will be some who use sneaky, underhanded ways to get ANYTHING they want. But most Villagers do not. I don't know why. As a group most of us are pretty good scouts.

Gracie, FYI, you now are going to hear from someone in the villages who got the vaccine. My wife and were able to sign up Wednesday, via website, and we got the first shots yesterday at the Wildwood Community Center. We are both over 65, we were lucky enough to get thru and get a appointment.

[coffeebean]

All of them (Moderna, Astra-Zeneca and Pfizer) are right around 94% effective against the disease. No seasonal flu vaccine in my memory has even been close to being that effective against the flu virus. The Vaccine assists your immune system to make it so that it is highly unlikely you will catch Covid-19 and give it to anyone else. I am not "so wrong". You are misinformed.


FDA: Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Is 94% Effective : Shots - Health News : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/15/946554638/fda-analysis-of-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-finds-it-effective-and-safe)

Moderna'''s COVID-19 Vaccine is 94.5% Effective. Here'''s What That Means | Time (https://time.com/5912491/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness/)

What Does 95% Effective Mean? Teaching the Math of Vaccine Efficacy - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/learning/what-does-95-effective-mean-teaching-the-math-of-vaccine-efficacy.html)

I want what Gracie said to be true but that isn't what I have heard. Just wondering why we are being told by CDC that anyone who is vaccinated must continue to wear masks and social distance so as not to transmit Covid to another person. The person vaccinated is protected but others are not.

[coffeebean]

Just in case there are others who don't understand how viruses work, let me explain just a bit further.

A person encounters the virus, and with sufficient inoculum that it enters the body and finds its way to its preferred target tissues (liver for hepatitis, brain for encephalitis, etc.). The virus then enters the cells by passing through the cell membrane, in the case of COVID this is accomplished via the "spike protein". It then hijacks that cell's nucleic acid and protein replicative mechanisms to make many copies of itself, which eventually kills that cell and are released into the bloodstream. From there it can leave the persons body to infect others (coughing/spitting in the case of COVID, the "other end" in the case of Hepatitis A, etc.)

So, a person successfully vaccinated will do one or all of:

1) kill the original inoculum before it reaches target tissue
2) deny the original inoculum entry into the cell
3) deny the virus access to the cells replicative processes

Therefore, the vaccinated person does not get the disease, does not replicate the virus, and does not pass it on

Then why are we being told that if we are vaccinated and immune, we still must continue to wear masks?

[coffeebean]

I believe the reason they are saying this is that they aren't sure how well circulating anti-bodies will prevent areas of the nasopharynx(the back of your nose) from becoming infected and start shedding virus before the immune system shuts it down. It is understandable to use the precautionary principle in the face of unknowns.

The problem I have with this is that anyone who has a raging virus infection in their nose is, by all definitions, going to be symptomatic. It takes a raging infection to generate enough shedding to infect others.

A study out of China recently with over 5000 participants found that 126 truly asymptomatic people spread it to exactly zero others. These people were not vaccinated but infected.

Everyone who is symptomatic should be quarantined or under multiple layers of PPE. A mouth gator is not enough.

If you are not showing symptoms and you're a month out from your second shot, your chance of infecting anyone else is so close to zero as to be indistinguishable from zero.

Again, understand that the only way you infect others is if your body is making trillions of virus particles and spreading them all over the place. Your body makes these from infected cells. If you have the vaccine, you can't make the virus. Not making it? Not infecting anyone.

I'm glad you mentioned that. Early on in this pandemic, I saw on a news show that neck gators are not recommended to slow the spread of the virus. In fact, neck gators are worse for mitigation because the neck gator actually make droplets into the smaller aerosols. Even a double layer gator is not recommended to mitigate the virus.

[coffeebean]

Wow, I see why the Moderator's have a hard time. A simple question as to why some were able to abuse the need for the virus vaccine by pushing the Health Care workers of out line, allegedly because they were connected, has been distorted to how the vaccine works to prevent the virus. There is absolutely no correlation between the two subjects. However the surprising point is how many ignore the abuse and either try to justify it which is a further abuse of these already abusive acts or try to divert the subject in hopes it will be covered up or go away. As my 100 year old grandfather would say, "what is this world coming to? Where are the ones who stand up for what is right have gone? The simple and hopefully understood question was: Do you support the Health Care workers and Assisted Liven elderly receiving the virus before those allegedly connected? Please stay on the subject!!:ho:

I understand the rules but it is human nature to drift to other subjects when having a discussion. It is just normal in conversation. Going off topic on a discussion forum is very common.

The person most adept at doing this is Jerry Seinfeld. Hubby and I saw him in person and he is an absolute master at changing the subject and you have no idea when and how he did it. GENIUS!!! Keep Jerry off this forum.

[Aloha1]

“I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.”

Sorry you are so wrong “graciegirl” even if you receive the vaccine you still can get infected and pass it on. Vaccine just assist your immune system in dealing with Virus macking it less severe for you.

That is patently not true. Please stay off the internet. the vaccines PREVENT you from getting sick from Covid. The science is not there yet to make a statement such as you are making.

[Bill14564]

That is patently not true. Please stay off the internet. the vaccines PREVENT you from getting sick from Covid. The science is not there yet to make a statement such as you are making.

Please see response #33 and some discussion over in one of the other threads on the same topic. "The science is not there yet" means that "patently not true" is a bit of an overstatement.

[golfing eagles]

I want what Gracie said to be true but that isn't what I have heard. Just wondering why we are being told by CDC that anyone who is vaccinated must continue to wear masks and social distance so as not to transmit Covid to another person. The person vaccinated is protected but others are not.

I didn't see that statement from the CDC. Wear masks and distance for how long after vaccination?????

Since the very concept of that statement is the antithesis of vaccination strategy, I have to believe it is an agenda driven statement. I can only speculate as to why they would put that out there.

perhaps....

1) Since the studies were fast tracked, perhaps they did not gather the ancillary information as to how long after vaccination one develops immunity (and therefore cannot transmit)

2) The first shot confers about 50-60% immunity and the second 95%. That still means the vaccine did not work on 5% or 50,000/million recipients. They might not want those people out there believing they are safe.

3) (and I favor this one) As we roll out the vaccine, a larger percentage of the population will slowly be immunized----10%,20%,30% etc. There are plenty of places that have a sign that states "mask required", and plenty of people who go ape-sheet if they spot someone not wearing one. How can we know who was and was not vaccinated? A scarlet V tattooed on their forehead???? Imagine a grocery store where some are masked and some are not---with the current level of anxiety it's a formula for chaos.

But I would never take that statement to mean immunized individuals are not protected and can transmit COVID

[Bill14564]

I didn't see that statement from the CDC. Wear masks and distance for how long after vaccination?????

Since the very concept of that statement is the antithesis of vaccination strategy, I have to believe it is an agenda driven statement. I can only speculate as to why they would put that out there.

perhaps....

1) Since the studies were fast tracked, perhaps they did not gather the ancillary information as to how long after vaccination one develops immunity (and therefore cannot transmit)

2) The first shot confers about 50-60% immunity and the second 95%. That still means the vaccine did not work on 5% or 50,000/million recipients. They might not want those people out there believing they are safe.

3) (and I favor this one) As we roll out the vaccine, a larger percentage of the population will slowly be immunized----10%,20%,30% etc. There are plenty of places that have a sign that states "mask required", and plenty of people who go ape-sheet if they spot someone not wearing one. How can we know who was and was not vaccinated? A scarlet V tattooed on their forehead???? Imagine a grocery store where some are masked and some are not---with the current level of anxiety it's a formula for chaos.

But I would never take that statement to mean immunized individuals are not protected and can transmit COVID

You can find the CDC statement and a link to it back on response #21.

I have seen your #1 used as an explanation (though I don't currently have that link) and I suspect your #3 plays into it as well.

[Bonnevie]

I do not think you are clear as to what is really happening. Please read what Golfing Eagles wrote. Please. EVERY POST ON THIS THREAD FROM GOLFING EAGLES. He is an M.D. from the State of New York, now living here.

having worked with many, many doctors over the years, having MD after your name isn't a guarantee of always being right, not that this person isn't, just one should get more than one opinion.

[Bonnevie]

I work in healthcare here, vaccines are being administered efficiently, IMO, in my workplace. Had my first injection Saturday, no issues all the way around.

I find this quote from an actual, working healthcare worker evidence of what's really happening. was in a doctor's office yesterday an when I asked if they have got it or will be getting it, he expressed frustration saying "we're getting no information about it".