Villages Rap Music

[deuce]

I've been very disappointed recently to find RAP being used as music in a couple of Village activities. I tried out the fairly new Aqua Zumba at Sea Breeze last week, thinking it would be exercise done to salsa style music. Sadly, it was Spanish-language RAP and Hip-Hop, which I strongly dislike. Then today I went to Friends Water Aerobics At Colony Cottage, which I have attended about six times in the recent past and which is an excellent workout. The instructor had a new music CD with a long RAP piece. I detest all RAP. I refuse to listen to it in any venue. I really thought when I came here two years ago The Villages would be "RAP-Free" for at least a few years. I have even heard hip-hop on WVLG. When that happens I just turn the radio to WMMO in Orlando, which has absolutely zero RAP. Am I alone? Am I the last woman on earth who refuses to accept RAP as music? I'm only 58, I love music, but RAP makes me just shake with rage. I will not call it music. It's monotone chanting.

[Tom Hannon]

Rap must go. I also hate rap and will not give my business to any place that plays rap. The driving range I used to practice at began playing rap. I stopped going. This is what happens when they allow kids to run a business. The Villages must be rap free and ice cram truck free.

[pauld315]

While I am not a rap music lover I generally just like music. You might say rap is not music but as long as they are not using profanity, violence etc in their lyrics, I have no problem with it. I guess having a 19 y/o daughter and belonging to a gym with a lot of young people has made this a non-issue for me. Personally, I wouldn't want to do aerobics to classical but I do love the music.

[JimJoe]

While I am not a rap music lover I generally just like music. You might say rap is not music but as long as they are not using profanity, violence etc in their lyrics, I have no problem with it. I guess having a 19 y/o daughter and belonging to a gym with a lot of young people has made this a non-issue for me. Personally, I wouldn't want to do aerobics to classical but I do love the music.

Is there really such a thing as rap that is not using profanity, violence etc in their lyrics, ???

[zcaveman]

When Cowboy Bob started rapping on the Country and Western shows I quit watching. And I like CW music.

[pauld315]

Is there really such a thing as rap that is not using profanity, violence etc in their lyrics, ???

Yes, actually my son knows some people who sing in a Christian rap group.

[18togo]

Is there really such a thing as rap that is not using profanity, violence etc in their lyrics, ???

Yes, there are a lot of examples of rap songs that do not use profanity or violence. But most rap is geared towards younger people. Did you know that 70% of rap music sales are to white kids? It's big business, and companies pick what sells, and when you are young, anything that shocks is cool.

It's no different than many popular songs that are out today and even in the past. Music from the 60's speaks of drugs and sex. Some older music talks of sex, which was often taboo in the past. Old movies too spoke of affairs and divorces, and premarital sex, it was just not in your face. As my ex-wife's grandmother told me one time regarding a person who was behaving poorly, "People did the same thing when I was younger, but they were discreet about it."

[Number 6]

I really don't care for country music, but I will go to Cody's on occasion.

[bluedog103]

Yes, there are a lot of examples of rap songs that do not use profanity or violence. But most rap is geared towards younger people. Did you know that 70% of rap music sales are to white kids? It's big business, and companies pick what sells, and when you are young, anything that shocks is cool.

It's no different than many popular songs that are out today and even in the past. Music from the 60's speaks of drugs and sex. Some older music talks of sex, which was often taboo in the past. Old movies too spoke of affairs and divorces, and premarital sex, it was just not in your face. As my ex-wife's grandmother told me one time regarding a person who was behaving poorly, "People did the same thing when I was younger, but they were discreet about it."

I hate, really, really hate rap music. Don't care who listens to it, don't care why they listen to it. I hate it and will not go where it's played.

[18togo]

I really don't care for country music, but I will go to Cody's on occasion.

I don't care for modern country, to much like pop music, but i like country western songs. I really can't stand the twang most country singers affect. Nor do I care what happened to their dog or pickup. Johnny Cash, Marty Robbins, Willie Nelson, Hank Williams is what i prefer.

[bluedog103]

I don't care for modern country, to much like pop music, but i like country western songs. I really can't stand the twang most country singers affect. Nor do I care what happened to their dog or pickup. Johnny Cash, Marty Robbins, Willie Nelson, Hank Williams is what i prefer.

:agree:

[Russ_Boston]

I don't think I could ever bring myself to just out and out say that I hate a whole style of music.

I like some styles a lot more than others but even the styles I don't like have a few redeeming songs.

[KARENNN]

At first I missed hearing current music when I moved to The Villages. Now, listening to 50's music when walking around the square and shopping has just become part of the charm of The Villages experience.
I personally like rap music, but it is true that the majority of people here would look downright awkward and comical trying to dance to it. Not really for "The Villages generation".
Now, if they start playing country music here...well then, I will just have to move!

[Hawkwind]

Hummmm!!! '50's music and now to RAP. What happened to the '60's and early '70's or was that in the mysterious 18 minute gap?

[bluedog103]

I don't think I could ever bring myself to just out and out say that I hate a whole style of music.

I like some styles a lot more than others but even the styles I don't like have a few redeeming songs.

Usually I agree with you Russ, in fact I preached that for years, but I draw the line at rap. It just irritates the hell out of me. It's the only genre of music that I can't stand.
When I first heard it I thought it was a joke. I couldn't believe anybody could ever actually like that noise.

[Bogie Shooter]

Usually I agree with you Russ, in fact I preached that for years, but I draw the line at rap. It just irritates the hell out of me. It's the only genre of music that I can't stand.
When I first heard it I thought it was a joke. I couldn't believe anybody could ever actually like that noise.
Remember when the same thing was said about rock & roll?:sing:

[bluedog103]

Remember when the same thing was said about rock & roll?:sing:
Yep. I don't claim to be unique in my dislike of a particular type of music. I remember record burnings and church sermons preaching about the evils of rock & roll.
The more the "old folks" hated my music, the more they dissed it, the more I liked it. That's probably the reason I started playing guitar many years ago, a hobby I continue to this day.
I really don't give a rat's patoot if other people like rap music, nor do I care if others listen to it. To me it's still just annoying noise.

[otherbruddaDarrell]

I don't care for modern country, to much like pop music, but i like country western songs. I really can't stand the twang most country singers affect. Nor do I care what happened to their dog or pickup. Johnny Cash, Marty Robbins, Willie Nelson, Hank Williams is what i prefer.

And don't forget Patsy Cline & Tammy W.
Whenever WVLG Puts on RAP..........I change to another station!

[CSilvestrucci]

I'm not a big fan of rap but many rap songs are perfect for zumba dancing. I have heard no profanity in the rap/reggae etc songs played in my zumba classes. Zumba is upbeat latin type dance exercise and you can't play oldies music for a new style dance/exercise. They are way too slow. I love it. It keeps me young and broadens my horizons.:pepper2:

[villa2]

And don't forget Patsy Cline & Tammy W.
Whenever WVLG Puts on RAP..........I change to another station!

:agree:

[Walt.]

I like a wide variety of music but songs should actually resemble music in some way!! They might include things like a tune... a few instruments... words you could understand, maybe a decent voice.

Rap? I think I'd prefer listening to a leaf blower.

[Tom Hannon]

BlueDog said---"Usually I agree with you Russ."

I feel the same way. Russ is my idol. Great insight, great mind and what I can tell- "A great guy."

BUT- Rap music is terrible. It can drive a man to drink. Rap is not music, and I will not bring my busines to where it is played.

[Russ_Boston]

BlueDog said---"Usually I agree with you Russ."

I feel the same way. Russ is my idol. Great insight, great mind and what I can tell- "A great guy."

BUT- Rap music is terrible. It can drive a man to drink. Rap is not music, and I will not bring my busines to where it is played.

Gee thanks Tom, donations to the "bring Russ to TV full time" campaign can be sent to...But as many others will tell you - I can be a jerk sometimes (some will even say much of the time).

I'm not saying that I enjoy much Rap music. But I think it has its place. I take spinning classes and some forms of rap really get you moving. I imagine the same is true of other exercise classes.

[ejp52]

Anyone else realize Rap rhymes with crap?:1rotfl:

[Larryandlinda]

Anyone else realize Rap rhymes with crap?:1rotfl:

Yes, and there are many who would say 'rap' and 'music' should not be used together!

While it might be a little bit of a knee jerk to categorize 'ALL' of "it' the same, rap has devolved to a large extent just like C&W has according to a recent post in this thread.

We still get a kick out of 'rappers delight' that was a big novelty in its day as it is today.

Our listening tastes are primarily anything 'good' no matter the genre,
primarily symphonic having played in high school concert bands and doo wop (which had its own R and X content)

Several years in SE Ohio/Appalachia helped with an appreciation for country and Bluegrass, (with bluegrass being unusually strong in DC)

Our son and his sax play moved jazz into the library, and the youngest kid collected early disco from 10 years before her birth, but scorned anything 80's!

We did not like much of the 'metal' in the 60's and 70's but in review we find it way way better than so much of today's.

Age and personal values aside, anyone with a truly objective outlook would probably agree that today's 'rap' and other things heard are relying much
on their iconoclastic lyrics to sell and get airplay.
Yes, we had our protest songs in the day, but the emphasis on sales was less of the drive, and more on the 'change the planet' for the better.

Except for some discreet lyrics (we aren't sure, we've never examined the 10 pages) and some lightly dressed backup singers, this act might have made it onto Ed Sullivan or Lawrence Welk.

As we listen, it's hard not to imagine our aging peers tapping their slippers and bobbing in their neck braces along with us.

That said, we're going to take another listen as we climb down from the soapbox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6gD_CwF5YM

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6gD_CwF5YM


L&L

[Tom Hannon]

Russ said:Gee thanks Tom, donations to the "bring Russ to TV full time" campaign can be sent to...But as many others will tell you - I can be a jerk sometimes (some will even say much of the time).

I'm not saying that I enjoy much Rap music. But I think it has its place

Oh well. I had two other idols in my life. Mickey Mantle and John Lennon. They both had their shortcomings and faults, so I guess I will have to forgive Russ for his rap music comment.

[Freeda]

I'm not saying that I enjoy much Rap music. But I think it has its place. I take spinning classes and some forms of rap really get you moving. I imagine the same is true of other exercise classes.

Russ, I can't let you hang in here all alone, going in like a kamakazi pilot. My three children grew up in the rap generation, so I am used to it from hearing it for years, and I enjoy some, even though not all, of it. I'll even confess to having participating in a group 'Gangsta' rap' performance at my daughter's bat mitzvah years ago. I was a music major in college, and I love all types of music; just, like everyone else, I like some much better than others. Some rap is enjoyable and fun to listen to, if you open up to it, and the rhythm of it is great and very energizing for exercise and (some of it) for dancing. 'It's hot'! And no, I definitely don't think Villagers are too old to dance to rap music!

As mentioned in a post above, when rock and roll - which our generation loves - started, it was thought of as 'just noise' by some of the older generation of that time. How could they have thought that?

Just like with any other type of music (or other areas of interest) there will always be people who do/don't like different forms of it. But I don't think that rap is only for 'young' (in chronological age) people. (Here in The Villages, we are all young, at heart). And I like hearing some music around here that keeps us in touch with all of the contemporary forms of music, including rap. And when our younger family members, etc, are here it's nice that at least some of the music they hear is what they relate to.

I also love the charm of hearing the old standards, and everything in between, here in The Villages.

The diversity of what is offered here, in music and everything else, is what makes the Villages so unique. As more young people move to The Villages, I think there will be a natural movement to more contemporary music forms in what is popular.

And like it or not, rap is here to stay, from what I can see!

[nONIE]

Rap music in The Villages???:shocked:

Now I wonder what kind of crowd that is going to draw!!!!

Do we have to wear our crotch down to our ankles when we listen to it???::1rotfl::

[redwitch]

I'm totally in Russ's corner -- probably in my corner, actually. I like rap. Not all of it, but a lot of it. I introduced my daughter to it when she was 12 -- I couldn't stand the bubblegum, technopop and emo music she was blasting. I actually felt rap had more rhythm and definitely had more to say than some of the stuff she was listening to.

When rap first started, it was more a way of getting underground news out to those who understood the language than a big business. Today, it is a HUGE business. Even 50 Cent admitted that he changed once he started rapping and making money at it -- he's now into health foods, no drugs, etc. This from a gangbanger who'd been shot several times. Eminem went from a woman-hating, mother-despising punk to a doting father and tells it all in his lyrics. Read the lyrics to Tupak's songs. There is so much feeling in it.

My favorite music is blues -- I can listen to a good harp (harmonica) for hours. I plead guilty to running away from polka and a mezzo soprano can literally bring me to tears (the high notes HURT!!!). I've reached the point where I'm sick of the 50s and 60s -- have just heard too dang much of it since moving here.

I'm not advocating that any of you change and decide to like rap, but I do think it's a shame to so actively dislike a music form that has been around so long, actually does have some good rhythm and some great wordsmiths that you would not frequent a store that plays it or quit an exercise group because it is used to get people moving. If you want to give it a chance, read the lyrics. You might be surprised what is actually being said by some of the rappers today. If possible, find tracks of just the music and you might discover there is a rhythm and beat to it.

[beartrack]

Rap bears no resemblance to music. It is no more then some no talent individule who couln't sing a note, screaming his lungs out with his pants on the ground. Try whispering one of those numbers in your honey's ear while sharing a romantic moment. Someone compared rap to the beginning of Rock and Roll. No way. Sixty years later we still listen to "Oldies" and Rocky and the Rollers are the most popular group here. I can not imagine that sixty years from now our grandkids will be dancing to EM & EM. Yuck!!!!!!

[Walt.]

... Even 50 Cent admitted that he changed once he started rapping and making money at it --...Eminem went from a woman-hating, mother-despising punk to a doting father...

Yeah, it's amazing what a few million dollars will do.


... If you want to give it a chance, read the lyrics. You might be surprised what is actually being said by some of the rappers today.

Maybe. I can't begin to tell you the number of times I've looked up the lyrics to a Roy Orbison tune to find out what "is actually being said." Don't even get me started on Gene Pitney.

[Russ_Boston]

Do we have to wear our crotch down to our ankles when we listen to it???::1rotfl::

OK I change my vote - absolutely NO rap music in TV!:laugh:

[Tom Hannon]

Whew. I was afraid I was going to have to remove Russ as my idol.

[tpop1]

I love music, but RAP makes me just shake with rage. I will not call it music. .

I swear, if you substitute the word "Rock" for the word "Rap", that I am back in 1958 and can hear my late, great mom using the same statement. :shrug:

I promised I would never berate my kids or grandkids music. Although I'm not a Rap fan, I've heard some that is entertaining and even humorous.

Don't like the profane ones, but remember what the term "Rock & Roll" meant in early R&B music.

_

[Freeda]

Rap music in The Villages???:shocked:

Now I wonder what kind of crowd that is going to draw!!!!

Do we have to wear our crotch down to our ankles when we listen to it???::1rotfl::

Good point, Nonie I hadn't thought of it that way! Just seeing the beltlines being pushed down beneath the bellies (and not just in The Villages) is bad enough.

[Pookirgirl]

Why can't people just "lighten up" on the music that is played? I don't care for rap myself but would not walk out if it were being played. I would listen to one song but if it were continuous...that's another story.
My husband is a local DJ and gets a lot of comments when certain songs get played. You can't please all of the people all of the time!

[Lou Card]

OK I change my vote - absolutely NO rap music in TV!:laugh:

Ditto!!!!! I put rap, grunge and punk in the same no talent category.

[Shirleevee]

Rap music in The Villages???:shocked:

Now I wonder what kind of crowd that is going to draw!!!!

Do we have to wear our crotch down to our ankles when we listen to it???::1rotfl::

I have grandsons who listen to this and DON"T wear long crotched pants.....shame, shame, I am surprised to read the above.

[villa2]

Rap music in The Villages???:shocked:

Now I wonder what kind of crowd that is going to draw!!!!

Do we have to wear our crotch down to our ankles when we listen to it???::1rotfl::

Not the type that I want to buy into.

[Shimpy]

"I hate, really, really hate rap music. Don't care who listens to it, don't care why they listen to it. I hate it and will not go where it's played. "


:thumbup:

[Bogie Shooter]

I have grandsons who listen to this and DON"T wear long crotched pants.....shame, shame, I am surprised to read the above.
:agree:

[Lou Card]

I have grandsons who listen to this and DON"T wear long crotched pants.....shame, shame, I am surprised to read the above.
give them 6 months and they will be robbing a liquor store to support their crack habit. Only being facetious, but it can lead to no good in my opinion.

[villa2]

Remember when the same thing was said about rock & roll?:sing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiRa7qrL5rY&feature=player_embedded

[18togo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiRa7qrL5rY&feature=player_embedded

That is both a great movie and a great point. :BigApplause:

[Halle]

:BigApplause:

:agree:I swear, if you substitute the word "Rock" for the word "Rap", that I am back in 1958 and can hear my late, great mom using the same statement. :shrug:

I promised I would never berate my kids or grandkids music. Although I'm not a Rap fan, I've heard some that is entertaining and even humorous.

Don't like the profane ones, but remember what the term "Rock & Roll" meant in early R&B music.

_

Why can't people just "lighten up" on the music that is played? I don't care for rap myself but would not walk out if it were being played. I would listen to one song but if it were continuous...that's another story.
My husband is a local DJ and gets a lot of comments when certain songs get played. You can't please all of the people all of the time!


:agree:

[Russ_Boston]

I hate smooth jazz - has anyone seen the type of people that like this crap? Most of them are overworked yet successful bastions of society. Imagine that they use this music just to relax? What's next? I'm going to boycott all establishments that dare to play this in my presence. I don't want to fall asleep prior to getting my double shot cappuccino!

Just being silly of course!

Someone on the previous page mentioned that they can remember the same stuff being said about R & R when it first came out and I agree. I don't like 'gangsta' rap but to say that it all sucks is just an opinion that is too broad. Rap has been around for going on 20 years and much of it is being worked into main stream 'rock' (check out Linkin Park for example).

[villa2]

That is both a great movie and a great point. :BigApplause:

Thanks. I was cruising the net and when I seen that video I automatically thought of this thread.

[Tom Hannon]

if you look back, "Give peace a chance" had a rap flavor to it. Not one of John Lennon's best songs but the middle eight was catchy.

[Walt.]

Then there's the actual first rap song... "Big Bad John" by Jimmy Dean.

[Lou Card]

Can at least agree that the Music called Gangsta Rap is bad?

[pooh]

I hate smooth jazz - has anyone seen the type of people that like this crap? Most of them are overworked yet successful bastions of society. Imagine that they use this music just to relax? What's next? I'm going to boycott all establishments that dare to play this in my presence. I don't want to fall asleep prior to getting my double shot cappuccino!

Just being silly of course!

Someone on the previous page mentioned that they can remember the same stuff being said about R & R when it first came out and I agree. I don't like 'gangsta' rap but to say that it all sucks is just an opinion that is too broad. Rap has been around for going on 20 years and much of it is being worked into main stream 'rock' (check out Linkin Park for example).

So much for it being a fad!!!... :) I'm not a big fan of rap, but then again, I wasn't a big fan of the stuff my son listened to when he was young. Fortunately for me, growing up, my parents loved rock and roll!

I remember my son asking me how I knew which Beatle was which.....lol. I could never understand what Billy Idol was so mad about!

[manaboutown]

Personally, I prefer a rap-free environment. I view rap as irritating noise pollution along with leaf blowers, honking horns and broken mufflers on vehicles. In fact I call it crap music. Check out the lyrics of popular rap tunes. Some rap lyrics advocate violent criminal acts such as rape, robbery and even murder and the killing of police officers (pigs in rap lingo) just for starters. Many lyrics are so luridly disgusting I will not even mention them here.

[pauld315]

I am a bit too young to remember the discussions that took place in the 50's regarding rock music, but I bet if they had the internet and a discussion forum at the time, it would closely resemble the discussion here.

Just kind of funny because I am sure most of us vowed we would never be like our parents when we got older.

[Shimpy]

Personally, I prefer a rap-free environment. I view rap as irritating noise pollution along with leaf blowers, honking horns and broken mufflers on vehicles. In fact I call it crap music. Check out the lyrics of popular rap tunes. Some rap lyrics advocate violent criminal acts such as rape, robbery and even murder and the killing of police officers (pigs in rap lingo) just for starters. Many lyrics are so luridly disgusting I will not even mention them here.


Plain and simple, its getto music.

[Chi-Town]

Plain and simple, its getto music.
As the group War sang in 1972 (I think looking for a place like The Villages)

Walkin' down the street, smoggy-eyed
Looking at the sky, starry-eyed
Searchin' for the place, weary-eyed
Crying in the night, teary-eyed

Don't you know that it's true
That for me and for you
The world is a ghetto



Wonder when I'll find paradise
Somewhere there's a home sweet and nice
Wonder if I'll find happiness
Never give it up now I guess

Don't you know that it's true
That for me and for you
The world is a ghetto

[Larryandlinda]

Personally, I prefer a rap-free environment. I view rap as irritating noise pollution along with leaf blowers, honking horns and broken mufflers on vehicles. In fact I call it crap music. Check out the lyrics of popular rap tunes. Some rap lyrics advocate violent criminal acts such as rape, robbery and even murder and the killing of police officers (pigs in rap lingo) just for starters. Many lyrics are so luridly disgusting I will not even mention them here.

though we are pretty diverse in our styles and tastes, there is little if any rap (except for Rapper's Delight, which we find vary amusing still) we can stand.
We even learned to appreciate some of out musician Son's eclectic Jazz until it got to be what we termed 'nervous music'


Many might consider the source of rap to be what you get when you leave an open mic in a psych ward.
This is how one of the 'Older Guys' (egad he musta been 45!!) at our workplace described our hard rock tunes on the radio in the late 60's

While it seemed a little outrageous to many at the time, that kinda music is now heard in elevators and the like!!

We cannot, though, imagine that much of what they call rap today will ever reach such universal status!!

L and L

[Vinny]

I try to judege each song on its own merits and not by its genre although it took me a long time to accept rap music. It is OK not to like something (I dislike a lot of things) as long as you do not try to impose your personal likes and dislikes upon others. I refrain from joining or participating in any actiivities that have elements that I dislike. I do not try to mould them around my personal preferences.

[Talk Host]

I personally enjoy Christmas rap. :laugh:

[philnpat]

Buffalo chicken raps aren't bad either!

[Larryandlinda]

I personally enjoy Christmas rap. :laugh:

I remember one christmas song that was very rap-esque in the day and found another for us bikers



‘Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the pad, Not a hipster was swinging, not even old Dad; The chimney was hung in the stocking routine, In hopes that “The Fat Man” would soon make the scene; The moon and the snow were, like, faking together, Which made the scene rock in the Day People weather, When, what to these peepers should come on real queer, But a real crazy sleigh, and eight swinging reindeer, As sidemen in combos pick up as they stomp, When they swing with the beat of a Dixieland romp, So up to the top of my bandstand they flew, With the sleigh full of loot, and St. Nicholas, too. His lids-Man, they sizzled! His dimples were smiles! His cheeks were like “Dizzy’s,” his break was like “Miles!” His puckered-up mouth was, like, blowing flat E, And his chin hid behind a real crazy goatee! He blew not a sound, but skipped right to his gig, And stashed all the stockings, then came on real big, And flashing a sign, like that old “Schnozzle” bit, And playing it hip, up the chimney he split; And then, in a quick riff, I dug on the roof, The jumpin’ and jivin’ of each swinging hoof. As I pulled in my noggin, and turned around fast, Down the chimney came Nick like a hot trumpet blast. The tip of a butt he had snagged in his choppers, And he took a few drags just like all cool be-boppers; He had a weird face, and a solid reet middle That bounced when he cracked, like a gutbucket fiddle! He was wrapped up to kill, Man, a real kookie dresser! And his rags were, like, way out! Pops! He was a gasser! A sack full of goodies hung down to his tail, And he looked like a postman with “Basie’s” fan mail. He was shaking with meat, meaning he was no square, And I flipped, ‘cause I’d always thought he was “longhair!” But the glint in his eye and the beat in his touch Soon gave me the message this cat was “too much!” He flew to his skids, to his group blew a lick, And they cut out real cool, on a wild frenzied kick. But I heard him sound off, with a razz-a-ma-tazz: “A cool Christmas to all, and , like all of that jazz!”



for the bikers:

Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the pad,
There was nada happenin', now thats pretty bad.
The woodstove was hung up in that stocking routine,
In hopes that the Fat Boy would soon make the scene.

With our stomachs packed with tacos and beer,
My girl and I crashed on the couch for some cheer.
When out in the yard there arose such a racket,
I ran for the door and pulled on my jacket.

I saw a large bro' on a '56 Pan
Wearin' black leathers, a cap, and boots (cool biker, man).
He hauled up the bars on that bikeful of sacks,
And that Pan hit the roof like it was running on tracks.

I couldn't help gawking, the old guy had class.
But I had to go in -- I was freezing my ass.
Down through the stovepipe he fell with a crash,
And out of the stove he came dragging his stash.

With a smile and some glee he passed out the loot,
A new jacket for her and some parts for my scoot.
He patted her fanny and shook my right hand,
Spun on his heel and up the stovepipe he ran.

From up on the roof came a great deal of thunder,
As that massive V-twin ripped the silence asunder.
With beard in the wind, he roared off in the night,
Shouting, "Have a cool Yule, and to all a good ride!"



L and L

[MelZ]

Gee I remember my parents saying the same thing about Elvis

[villa2]

Gee I remember my parents saying the same thing about Elvis

I am a Baby Boomer and my parents and all my friend's parents listened to rock and roll on the radio. This comparison to rap is bogus in my opinion.

[pauld315]

If my dad was alive today he would be 93 and I don't remember him ever liking rock and roll or listening to it, at least on purpose. He hated rap ! Me, I am a boomer. I grew up on rock and roll and can tolerate any music. I don't go out and buy rap music but it certainly doesn't ruin my day to hear it.

[villa2]

If my dad was alive today he would be 93 and I don't remember him ever liking rock and roll or listening to it, at least on purpose. He hated rap ! Me, I am a boomer. I grew up on rock and roll and can tolerate any music. I don't go out and buy rap music but it certainly doesn't ruin my day to hear it.

I have really tried to wipe the dust from my foggy brain, but it seems to me that rock and roll was everywhere when I was growing up. When I went to friends homes it was on the radio. The afternoons after school. (remember Shindig and American Bandstand in the afternoons?)
My uncle was the one who introduced me to Little Richard and Elvis Presley. when I was a little tike.

The only protests that I remember were the one's blown out of shape with Elvis's appearance on Ed Sullivan.

I just cannot imagine Dick Clark's American Rap Bandstand:yuck:

[Pturner]

Eeeek. I know I'm going to catch h**l for this. I do think many folks here are judging the entire genre based on the early, ugly, disgusting gangsta rap. As it has become big biz., much of it has gotten more mainstream sounding. I have heard some clever and catchy rap/hip hop that is good dance music and is not ugly, pounding, noise-sounding and disgusting.

My nieces and nephews love, absolutely love, the rock music I grew up with. I have learned to like, a little bit, some of the music they grew up with.

A lot of rap is horrible. Some of it isn't. Many people don't realize how much it has evolved. Some of it has gotten ok.

Please don't shoot me.

Pturner

[bluedog103]

Eeeek. I know I'm going to catch h**l for this. I do think many folks here are judging the entire genre based on the early, ugly, disgusting gangsta rap. As it has become big biz., much of it has gotten more mainstream sounding. I have heard some clever and catchy rap/hip hop that is good dance music and is not ugly, pounding, noise-sounding and disgusting.

My nieces and nephews love, absolutely love, the rock music I grew up with. I have learned to like, a little bit, some of the music they grew up with.

A lot of rap is horrible. Some of it isn't. Many people don't realize how much it has evolved. Some of it has gotten ok.

Please don't shoot me.

Pturner

I'm certain you have nothing to fear. Nobody on TOTV could get away with trying to lock and load on you. Your posts are consistently among my favorites.
I really have no quarrel with anyone who likes, or even tolerates rap or any other genre. For me, I can't get into music which has no discernible melody, at least to me. All I hear is very irritating noise with a rhythmic, monotonous beat.
You may hear something different.

[tpop1]

Am I caught in a time warp version of the movie "Footloose????":loco:

[MelZ]

I am a Baby Boomer and my parents and all my friend's parents listened to rock and roll on the radio. This comparison to rap is bogus in my opinion.

Hmm I bet you not the only baby boomer here, HM don't you remember Alan Fried getting arrested for playing Rock and Roll. HM Don't you remember ministers calling Rock and Roll "The Devils Music".

BTW I am a big fan of Doo Wop (street corner music) which was the start of Rock and Roll and I do remember Rock's history.

[bandsdavis]

Hmm I bet you not the only baby boomer here, HM don't you remember Alan Fried getting arrested for playing Rock and Roll. HM Don't you remember ministers calling Rock and Roll "The Devils Music".

BTW I am a big fan of Doo Wop (street corner music) which was the start of Rock and Roll and I do remember Rock's history.

I'm with you, MelZ, and everyone else who remembers our parents and other adults negative responses to early Rock. It even extended into the mid-60's when I joined my first Rock band. I remember distinctly my father saying something like "Why do you want to play that crap? It's just a lot of drums, loud guitars, and words you can't even understand!" Luckily for me, my Mom recognized that I was going to find a way to play it anyway, so she got my Dad to let me trade in my acoustic guitar (they approved of Folk Music) and get an electric. But many of the parents and other adults of that time, especially ones that were older, hated rock n roll as much as some of the posters here hate Rap. Not all of them, of course, but many. I'm also a big Doo Wop fan and hope to find some folks to sing with when we get to TV sometime early next year.

B.

[villa2]

Hmm I bet you not the only baby boomer here, HM don't you remember Alan Fried getting arrested for playing Rock and Roll. HM Don't you remember ministers calling Rock and Roll "The Devils Music".

BTW I am a big fan of Doo Wop (street corner music) which was the start of Rock and Roll and I do remember Rock's history.

Maybe so, but I remember it everywhere and it was more in the mainstream then rap will ever be.

[suebanj]

Eeeek. I know I'm going to catch h**l for this. I do think many folks here are judging the entire genre based on the early, ugly, disgusting gangsta rap. As it has become big biz., much of it has gotten more mainstream sounding. I have heard some clever and catchy rap/hip hop that is good dance music and is not ugly, pounding, noise-sounding and disgusting.

My nieces and nephews love, absolutely love, the rock music I grew up with. I have learned to like, a little bit, some of the music they grew up with.

A lot of rap is horrible. Some of it isn't. Many people don't realize how much it has evolved. Some of it has gotten ok.

Please don't shoot me.

Pturner

:BigApplause:

Some rap has awful lyrics but if you go on to You Tube and put in Christian Rap Songs you hear alot of wonderful lyrics.....I say if you don't like the music being played somewhere go somewhere else...There is so much here in The villages that I believe everyone can be Happy!!!!

[villa2]

:BigApplause:

Some rap has awful lyrics but if you go on to You Tube and put in Christian Rap Songs you hear alot of wonderful lyrics.....I say if you don't like the music being played somewhere go somewhere else...There is so much here in The villages that I believe everyone can be Happy!!!!

Do you think that the Villages will start playing rap music through their speaker systems throughout the squares? That would be interesting.:D

[Bosoxfan]

I don't think I could ever bring myself to just out and out say that I hate a whole style of music.

I like some styles a lot more than others but even the styles I don't like have a few redeeming songs.
I'm not a fan of rap either but if you listen some have great messages.Listen to Will Smith's Just The Two of Us.

[Russ_Boston]

Another thing to remember:

I think a lot of posters here don't get the difference between hip-hop and rap. I would bet that you actually like a lot of hip-hop even though some it is voiced rather than sung. Hip-hop has more of a dance beat.

[Pturner]

Hmm I bet you not the only baby boomer here, HM don't you remember Alan Fried getting arrested for playing Rock and Roll. HM Don't you remember ministers calling Rock and Roll "The Devils Music".

BTW I am a big fan of Doo Wop (street corner music) which was the start of Rock and Roll and I do remember Rock's history.

I remember. I also remember my parents hating rock, initially.

When the Beatles were on Ed Sullivan, they said it was just loud noise and you couldn't understand the words. Now both my parents acknowledge that the Beatles wrote a lot of beautiful music. They even like a lot of 50s-70s music now. Go figure.

[MelZ]

Maybe so, but I remember it everywhere and it was more in the mainstream then rap will ever be.


If you want to know about the start of RnR rent the movie "American Hot Wax" and get educated. BTW I am NOT a fan of Rap but I am a student of history.

[florlrl]

I've been very disappointed recently to find RAP being used as music in a couple of Village activities. I tried out the fairly new Aqua Zumba at Sea Breeze last week, thinking it would be exercise done to salsa style music. Sadly, it was Spanish-language RAP and Hip-Hop, which I strongly dislike. Then today I went to Friends Water Aerobics At Colony Cottage, which I have attended about six times in the recent past and which is an excellent workout. The instructor had a new music CD with a long RAP piece. I detest all RAP. I refuse to listen to it in any venue. I really thought when I came here two years ago The Villages would be "RAP-Free" for at least a few years. I have even heard hip-hop on WVLG. When that happens I just turn the radio to WMMO in Orlando, which has absolutely zero RAP. Am I alone? Am I the last woman on earth who refuses to accept RAP as music? I'm only 58, I love music, but RAP makes me just shake with rage. I will not call it music. It's monotone chanting.

Zumba's description is a cardio workout to international rhythms, predominantly Latin and it includes, reggaeton, hip hop, salsa, cha cha, meringue, samba, belly dance and African/Carribean beats. It's lively and dance music and, although I too don't appreciate a lot of profanity in music, I like fun beats and it definitely offers that. Staying current with music and sounds of the present helps you appreciate all that is offered in the now instead of dwelling in the past, which we sometimes glamorize. Although, I myself have an aversion to jazz and doo wop, I always appreciate a good artist or beat when I hear it and am sometimes surprised that my original aversion disappears. My first golf game stunk to high heaven and had I just quit after one time I would never have gone on to become less stinky. Besides, the Zumba Aqua class is free and offered by a volunteer who is trying to create a upbeat class that appeals to most people. I for one appreciate all the attempts by all the volunteers who teach free classes at the rec centers. It's saving me a bundle in gym costs.

[brostholder]

I'm a blues guy, whether it be Mississippi Delta Blues, Chicago Blues, or any other style. I also love the rock and roll I grew up with...the Beatles, the Stones, Airplane, Janice, etc. The part or rap that I don't get is the way it objectifies and denigrates women. A lot of the music of the 60's had drug references so I guess I would be hypocritical to to put down rap for the same thing, but I just don't get the way rap music talks about women. Nor do I understand that when they play rap music that is advocating violence against women and calling them bitches and whores, half the people on the dance floor are women. The women I knew in the 60's would have marched up on stage and straightened out the disc jockey in a real big hurry.

[Russ_Boston]

The part or rap that I don't get is the way it objectifies and denigrates women

With you on that!

[2BNTV]

I like all kinds of miusic but there are types I can only listen to for a short amount of time. Classical, heavy metal, cw and rap are the ones that come to mind.

Each generation grows up to a certain type of music. IMHO - If it pleasurable to someones brain is the reason why people like a particular brand of music.
I don't pretend to understand rap music but certain songs seem to have a beat.

As I got older, I tended to like the music of the preceding generation. I grew up in the rock and roll era and like the saloon singers, Sinatra, Bennett, Fitzgerald and Billy Eckstein. The big band era had great music and one would never convince someone from that era that any other music was better. I even like the songs of Gershwin, Porter, Berlin and Gus Kahn.

I guess that makes me an old fogey, (music wise), but I like the songs that had lyrics I could hear clearly. I guess having a slight hearing loss from rock and roll made me gravitate to the older music.

Tony Bennett is 80 years plus young and still sings great. Amazing.

[Jim007]

Rap bears no resemblance to music. It is no more then some no talent individule who couldn't sing a note, screaming his lungs out with his pants on the ground. Try whispering one of those numbers in your honey's ear while sharing a romantic moment. Someone compared rap to the beginning of Rock and Roll. No way. Sixty years later we still listen to "Oldies" and Rocky and the Rollers are the most popular group here. I can not imagine that sixty years from now our grandkids will be dancing to EM & EM. Yuck!!!!!!

Everything you just said about Rap music, our parents said about Elvis and his Rock-a-Billy music. His music and hip movements were characterized as being demonic. Today he is our King. I don't think anyone can predict whether a music genre is going to last the long haul. But hey, Rap has been around already for about 25 years. I'm not a fan of Rap, but I certainly wouldn't be childish enough to boycott an establishment because they played it. However, I might not continue to go if that's all they played, but I would say that about any genre of music. I think we need to grow up and smell the coffee, we're aging, and we're sounding more like our parents and in some cases, our grand parents.

[dominick]

Rap is crap and country music has lost its identity. As a long time country music fan, the recent cm awards shows were very disappointing to say the least.
Also, I question the need for the constant 50s and 60s music blaring from many locations in TV. The main streets in LSL and SS are filled with the sounds of ancient rock and roll sounds. Swimming pools, country club pools, Lakeside Landing Boardwalk, some rec centers, etc--- you just cant get away from it.
Silence sometimes truly is golden & with all the ipads, ipods, iphones, etc, people should provide their own music if that's their thing.
Yeah, I do sound like an old fogey, but thats what I am now.

[Taj44]

Everything you just said about Rap music, our parents said about Elvis and his Rock-a-Billy music. His music and hip movements were characterized as being demonic. Today he is our King. I don't think anyone can predict whether a music genre is going to last the long haul. But hey, Rap has been around already for about 25 years. I'm not a fan of Rap, but I certainly wouldn't be childish enough to boycott an establishment because they played it. However, I might not continue to go if that's all they played, but I would say that about any genre of music. I think we need to grow up and smell the coffee, we're aging, and we're sounding more like our parents and in some cases, our grand parents.

My thoughts exactly. :agree:

[Jhooman]

My thoughts exactly. :agree:

Amen Brother! I agree with yea!:BigApplause: