We Need A New Federal Law

[Joe C.]

In today's environment, with all the "peaceful protests" going on, I think a law forbidding the wearing of any face covering while "protesting" would be illegal, with extremely stiff penalties.

I think that it would tame these events, and make things truly more peaceable.

[Stu from NYC]

In today's environment, with all the "peaceful protests" going on, I think a law forbidding the wearing of any face covering while "protesting" would be illegal, with extremely stiff penalties.

I think that it would tame these events, and make things truly more peaceable.

not the right time to consider this.

[Lindsyburnsy]

If you watch the videos, 99% did not wear masks.

[coffeebean]

if you watch the videos, 99% did not wear masks.

99.99999999%

[Bill14564]

99.99999999%

Only one mask for every 10 billion protestors? I'm pretty sure I saw more masks and FAR fewer protestors. You might want to check your counting.

[golfing eagles]

In today's environment, with all the "peaceful protests" going on, I think a law forbidding the wearing of any face covering while "protesting" would be illegal, with extremely stiff penalties.

I think that it would tame these events, and make things truly more peaceable.

Just what we need----yet another "law"

[Funkman]

I believe this is already a law in many states.

It should probably remain a state decision.

It would be wrong, especially at this time, to try to enact a fed law banning them.

[Dana1963]

In today's environment, with all the "peaceful protests" going on, I think a law forbidding the wearing of any face covering while "protesting" would be illegal, with extremely stiff penalties.

I think that it would tame these events, and make things truly more peaceable.
Masks!! We don't need no stinking masks! 1/6/2021?

[chet2020]

The protesters last week being arrested and fired from their jobs certainly found out why their granddaddies wore masks.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

Only one mask for every 10 billion protestors? I'm pretty sure I saw more masks and FAR fewer protestors. You might want to check your counting.

I didn't say there were 10 billion protestors. What I made reference to was that there were very few people who actually did wear masks that I saw in all the videos that I've seen of the mob. The 99.99999 was a hyperbole percentage.

[jack.hunter00@yahoo.com]

If you watch the videos, 99% did not wear masks.
Just like here going into golf shops. No masks

[Villages Kahuna]

In today's environment, with all the "peaceful protests" going on, I think a law forbidding the wearing of any face covering while "protesting" would be illegal, with extremely stiff penalties.

I think that it would tame these events, and make things truly more peaceable. The Capitol installed metal detectors after the January 6 insurrection of the Capitol, obviously for the safety of everyone entering. But of course some members of Congress acted as though they were immune to the new rules and simply bypassed the detectors. Maybe they were “carrying”, maybe not. But the House set the rules that will likely cause those that thought they were above the law to reconsider. The penalty for House members who bypass the detectors is $5,000 for the first offense, $10,000 for the second, to be automatically deducted from their House paychecks.

My guess is the metal detectors will be uniformly used. I think the country needs a similar federal statute requiring the use of facemasks. It would benefit us all and foreshorten the pandemic.

[RaunchyRich]

Super Spreader !

[danglanzsr]

The Capitol installed metal detectors after the January 6 insurrection of the Capitol, obviously for the safety of everyone entering. But of course some members of Congress acted as though they were immune to the new rules and simply bypassed the detectors. Maybe they were “carrying”, maybe not. But the House set the rules that will likely cause those that thought they were above the law to reconsider. The penalty for House members who bypass the detectors is $5,000 for the first offense, $10,000 for the second, to be automatically deducted from their House paychecks.

My guess is the metal detectors will be uniformly used. I think the country needs a similar federal statute requiring the use of facemasks. It would benefit us all and foreshorten the pandemic.

I am puzzled by the requirement that members of Congress and their staff are required to disarm before entering the congressional spaces. Certainly, anyone intending to enter the space with the intent to kill congress members will ignore the metal detectors and enter the chamber fully armed. Then the only people in the room will be the evil doer. Perhaps you can explain how this is beneficial to the intended victims. Thank you. BTW, one congresswoman has already entered the chambers fully armed and not been fined or arrested.

[Boffin]

In today's environment, with all the "peaceful protests" going on, I think a law forbidding the wearing of any face covering while "protesting" would be illegal, with extremely stiff penalties.

I think that it would tame these events, and make things truly more peaceable.

Nope.

[Mildrene Swan]

Masks at protests are not the problem. Protesters wearing riot gear are the problem. Protesters should not be allowed to wear helmets, body armor etc. Wearing such gear indicates to me that you are there for some reason other than to peacefully protest!!

[jbrown132]

The Capitol installed metal detectors after the January 6 insurrection of the Capitol, obviously for the safety of everyone entering. But of course some members of Congress acted as though they were immune to the new rules and simply bypassed the detectors. Maybe they were “carrying”, maybe not. But the House set the rules that will likely cause those that thought they were above the law to reconsider. The penalty for House members who bypass the detectors is $5,000 for the first offense, $10,000 for the second, to be automatically deducted from their House paychecks.

My guess is the metal detectors will be uniformly used. I think the country needs a similar federal statute requiring the use of facemasks. It would benefit us all and foreshorten the pandemic.

What are you talking about. I visited both the Capital building and the Congressional office building four year ago and in both cases had to go through metal detectors. Are you talking about the tunnel between the two buildings? They did not have any there because to go from the office building to the Capital building you had to be escorted. But after what happened that might no be a bad idea. Won’t stop people going through smashed windows.

[Nick B]

What are you talking about. I visited both the Capital building and the Congressional office building four year ago and in both cases had to go through metal detectors. Are you talking about the tunnel between the two buildings? They did not have any there because to go from the office building to the Capital building you had to be escorted. But after what happened that might no be a bad idea. Won’t stop people going through smashed windows.
A shot to the neck will

[Bay Kid]

Masks at protests are not the problem. Protesters wearing riot gear are the problem. Protesters should not be allowed to wear helmets, body armor etc. Wearing such gear indicates to me that you are there for some reason other than to peacefully protest!!

These are hired guns not protestors. Depending on which side of the road they are from is what they are labeled.

We are becoming a 3rd world country.

[Jokomo]

Just like here going into golf shops. No masks

Really, the golf stores don’t require masks?

[airstreamingypsy]

What we need, is insurrectionists to be shot the second they breech federal buildings.

[golfing eagles]

Really, the golf stores don’t require masks?

"Requested", not "required"

I don't get it----with up to 20 people inside, all going to a counter, this is a place that should require masks

TV is very inconsistent. The sales offices only "requests" masks. The district offices not only "require" masks, but also require an appointment be made in advance so as to not crowd the office at any one time.

Not only TV---ate at Hell's Kitchen in Vegas 2 months ago. Mask required until appetizer served. If you ordered a drink, it had to sit in front of you until appetizer served! Meanwhile a table 5 feet away from us had their appetizer served and people were alternating bites of food with hacking up a lung.

The horse is out of the barn now, but it would have been better if the federal government put out a list of "best practices" for all these establishments early on.

[Andyhope]

Can’t do that , we are suppose to be wearing masks

[golfing eagles]

Can’t do that , we are suppose to be wearing masks

Can't do what?????

[Bucco]

These are hired guns not protestors. Depending on which side of the road they are from is what they are labeled.

We are becoming a 3rd world country.

We are becoming a 3rd world country.[/QUOTE]


Think we are there, not becoming. How many countries have seen a January 6 in their history ? A few, but not many.

[72lions]

The Capitol installed metal detectors after the January 6 insurrection of the Capitol, obviously for the safety of everyone entering. But of course some members of Congress acted as though they were immune to the new rules and simply bypassed the detectors. Maybe they were “carrying”, maybe not. But the House set the rules that will likely cause those that thought they were above the law to reconsider. The penalty for House members who bypass the detectors is $5,000 for the first offense, $10,000 for the second, to be automatically deducted from their House paychecks.

My guess is the metal detectors will be uniformly used. I think the country needs a similar federal statute requiring the use of facemasks. It would benefit us all and foreshorten the pandemic.


I believe you are incorrect. The $$ fines you reference are to enforce mask wearing after Republican House members refused to wear or accept masks while sequestered in close quarters.

[J1ceasar]

actually most states have these laws due to the KKK in the 40s and 50s but it would make an interesting case if the state has a law insisting on a mask.



In today's environment, with all the "peaceful protests" going on, I think a law forbidding the wearing of any face covering while "protesting" would be illegal, with extremely stiff penalties.

I think that it would tame these events, and make things truly more peaceable.

[kenoc7]

In today's environment, with all the "peaceful protests" going on, I think a law forbidding the wearing of any face covering while "protesting" would be illegal, with extremely stiff penalties.

I think that it would tame these events, and make things truly more peaceable.
During the pandemic? You are kidding, right?

[DAVES]

In today's environment, with all the "peaceful protests" going on, I think a law forbidding the wearing of any face covering while "protesting" would be illegal, with extremely stiff penalties.

I think that it would tame these events, and make things truly more peaceable.


Re: we need a law.
What we need is enforcement. People have different opinions. To the point that all are confused as to what the law is and if it will be enforced.
I ask, I ask myself, do we want a police state or do I think only laws that don't effect me should be enforced.

Remember years ago that American kid who was whipped for stealing a sign in a foreign country? Endless debate. I do not have answers. There are none that everyone will agree on.

[Byte1]

We are becoming a 3rd world country.


Think we are there, not becoming. How many countries have seen a January 6 in their history ? A few, but not many.[/QUOTE]

Apparently, doing this at the state level at gov buildings doesn't matter---- just at the federal building. BUT, now you have cops that are so worried about losing their jobs and possibly going to jail, that they are afraid to perform their duties. Felony entry by force into a federal building should warrant lethal force. The same lethal force if someone forced themselves into my home. Not to get off subject but those thugs/felons were at the Capitol building way before the rally, so we know this was not an agitated response, but a premeditated felony crime not even related to the rally.
Someone else also brought up that members of congress are arming themselves. D.C. has the strictest gun laws in the country. Other than law enforcement, no one can carry a weapon legally. I guess members of congress are exempt from the law.

[Bucco]

Think we are there, not becoming. How many countries have seen a January 6 in their history ? A few, but not many.

Apparently, doing this at the state level at gov buildings doesn't matter---- just at the federal building. BUT, now you have cops that are so worried about losing their jobs and possibly going to jail, that they are afraid to perform their duties. Felony entry by force into a federal building should warrant lethal force. The same lethal force if someone forced themselves into my home. Not to get off subject but those thugs/felons were at the Capitol building way before the rally, so we know this was not an agitated response, but a premeditated felony crime not even related to the rally.
Someone else also brought up that members of congress are arming themselves. D.C. has the strictest gun laws in the country. Other than law enforcement, no one can carry a weapon legally. I guess members of congress are exempt from the law.[/QUOTE]
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Would appreciate you linking me to, or at least telling me where you have seen the citizens of a country attack their own nations capital......then break into elected officials offices and steal......and of course one of the scenes that will stay with me forever...that of these people beating police officers into the ground with hockey sticks, that and the scene where fire extinguishers are thrown at officers. By the way, this from folks who "say" they defend police.

And such attack based on lies...NO truths all validate lies. They were motivated to this outrageous behavior by lies....NOT one truth.

Please....I know of nowhere where folks like you defend such actions.

[Aces4]

Apparently, doing this at the state level at gov buildings doesn't matter---- just at the federal building. BUT, now you have cops that are so worried about losing their jobs and possibly going to jail, that they are afraid to perform their duties. Felony entry by force into a federal building should warrant lethal force. The same lethal force if someone forced themselves into my home. Not to get off subject but those thugs/felons were at the Capitol building way before the rally, so we know this was not an agitated response, but a premeditated felony crime not even related to the rally.
Someone else also brought up that members of congress are arming themselves. D.C. has the strictest gun laws in the country. Other than law enforcement, no one can carry a weapon legally. I guess members of congress are exempt from the law.
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Would appreciate you linking me to, or at least telling me where you have seen the citizens of a country attack their own nations capital......then break into elected officials offices and steal......and of course one of the scenes that will stay with me forever...that of these people beating police officers into the ground with hockey sticks, that and the scene where fire extinguishers are thrown at officers. By the way, this from folks who "say" they defend police.

And such attack based on lies...NO truths all validate lies. They were motivated to this outrageous behavior by lies....NOT one truth.

Please....I know of nowhere where folks like you defend such actions.[/QUOTE]




Where was all the horror when the retired cop attempting to protect his store was shot and killed. How about the policemen attacked and some shot in their squads by”protesters”. How about all the businesses ransacked and products stolen by “protesters”? How about the people terrorized by all the rioter, oops... I mean “ protesters” this past summer? Typical selective report here of the facts. And, yes, there is that faction in DC that waits for the opportunity to cause trouble no matter who is president and this was their opportunity to sneak into action.

[Bucco]

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Would appreciate you linking me to, or at least telling me where you have seen the citizens of a country attack their own nations capital......then break into elected officials offices and steal......and of course one of the scenes that will stay with me forever...that of these people beating police officers into the ground with hockey sticks, that and the scene where fire extinguishers are thrown at officers. By the way, this from folks who "say" they defend police.

And such attack based on lies...NO truths all validate lies. They were motivated to this outrageous behavior by lies....NOT one truth.

Please....I know of nowhere where folks like you defend such actions.




Where was all the horror when the retired cop attempting to protect his store was shot and killed. How about the policemen attacked and some shot in their squads by”protesters”. How about all the businesses ransacked and products stolen by “protesters”? How about the people terrorized by all the rioter, oops... I mean “ protesters” this past summer? Typical selective report here of the facts. And, yes, there is that faction in DC that waits for the opportunity to cause trouble no matter who is president and this was their opportunity to sneak into action.[/QUOTE]

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I recall lots and lots of horror, in addition to about 5 times more arrested.

It was horrible, but not a coup against my country.

Not based on LIES....PROVEN LIES

This was NOT a protest or a demonstration. It was an attempted coup...it was sedition

Suggest you do some reading from the FBI, etc. To find the true horror of what happened and what was the intent.

If you are using "how about" ism to justify an attempted take over, you definitely have a problem.

Unfortunately, at my age, this memory will last forever and I suppose it should. I cannot imagine how this explained to children or grandchildren.

Jan 6 will long live.....versus 9/11, the differences are awesome. From the leader of the coup to the ignoring of the coup members constant theme of patriotism and respect for police....the constant talking about law and order which appears to just be about the ongoing con job.

Things, events, etc based on lies are really scary

[jimjamuser]

In today's environment, with all the "peaceful protests" going on, I think a law forbidding the wearing of any face covering while "protesting" would be illegal, with extremely stiff penalties.

I think that it would tame these events, and make things truly more peaceable.
I disagree that it would make the protests or riots more "peaceable". Those "protests" are more planned out in advance than we realize, they are not spontaneous occurrences. Plus it could NOT be enforced. People want to keep their freedom of speech and expression. Plus they can wear gas masks to hide their faces if they want. Or hoods, dark glasses, and hats pulled down to their eyes.
......Plus, you don't want any more of a "super spreader" event because they can then bring back the CV to potentially kill you, your friends, or your loved ones. Masks can NEVER be eliminated as long as there are large numbers of anti-vaxxers around. There are so many reasons that that is a non-starter!

[Gulfcoast]

Apparently, doing this at the state level at gov buildings doesn't matter---- just at the federal building. BUT, now you have cops that are so worried about losing their jobs and possibly going to jail, that they are afraid to perform their duties. Felony entry by force into a federal building should warrant lethal force. The same lethal force if someone forced themselves into my home. Not to get off subject but those thugs/felons were at the Capitol building way before the rally, so we know this was not an agitated response, but a premeditated felony crime not even related to the rally.
Someone else also brought up that members of congress are arming themselves. D.C. has the strictest gun laws in the country. Other than law enforcement, no one can carry a weapon legally. I guess members of congress are exempt from the law.
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Would appreciate you linking me to, or at least telling me where you have seen the citizens of a country attack their own nations capital......then break into elected officials offices and steal......and of course one of the scenes that will stay with me forever...that of these people beating police officers into the ground with hockey sticks, that and the scene where fire extinguishers are thrown at officers. By the way, this from folks who "say" they defend police.

And such attack based on lies...NO truths all validate lies. They were motivated to this outrageous behavior by lies....NOT one truth.

Please....I know of nowhere where folks like you defend such actions.[/QUOTE]

This whole incident is still under investigation. From what I have read there is evidence that this raid on the Capitol was preplanned and many of the people who gained entry into the capitol were masked. 99.9% of the people in DC that day went there to show support for the members of Congress seeking to block the certification from happening. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees with them is irrelevant. They were there peacefully which is probably why they were not afraid to show their faces.

There is video of at least one guard opening up the door to the Capitol and waving people in. They entered as tourists, walked around taking pictures, some of them sat down on benches to relieve their tired feet and suddenly the crazy stuff started to happen.

Trump had offered federal assistance with security and the DC Mayor turned him down. The capitol police had asked their chief for backup well in advance of the demonstration and they were denied. Everyone knew there was going to be a crowd in DC that day. Instead of demonizing the demonstrators who were there peacefully, ask why the door was held open. Ask why there was not adequate security in town that day and around the Capitol. Ask who is responsible for this. Let the investigation into what happened and who was responsible to conclude before rushing to judgement. Well, oops, too late for that ain't it?

[jimjamuser]

The Capitol installed metal detectors after the January 6 insurrection of the Capitol, obviously for the safety of everyone entering. But of course some members of Congress acted as though they were immune to the new rules and simply bypassed the detectors. Maybe they were “carrying”, maybe not. But the House set the rules that will likely cause those that thought they were above the law to reconsider. The penalty for House members who bypass the detectors is $5,000 for the first offense, $10,000 for the second, to be automatically deducted from their House paychecks.

My guess is the metal detectors will be uniformly used. I think the country needs a similar federal statute requiring the use of facemasks. It would benefit us all and foreshorten the pandemic.
I agree. Kudos!

[Bucco]

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Would appreciate you linking me to, or at least telling me where you have seen the citizens of a country attack their own nations capital......then break into elected officials offices and steal......and of course one of the scenes that will stay with me forever...that of these people beating police officers into the ground with hockey sticks, that and the scene where fire extinguishers are thrown at officers. By the way, this from folks who "say" they defend police.

And such attack based on lies...NO truths all validate lies. They were motivated to this outrageous behavior by lies....NOT one truth.

Please....I know of nowhere where folks like you defend such actions.

This whole incident is still under investigation. From what I have read there is evidence that this raid on the Capitol was preplanned and many of the people who gained entry into the capitol were masked. 99.9% of the people in DC that day went there to show support for the members of Congress seeking to block the certification from happening. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees with them is irrelevant. They were there peacefully which is probably why they were not afraid to show their faces.

There is video of at least one guard opening up the door to the Capitol and waving people in. They entered as tourists, walked around taking pictures, some of them sat down on benches to relieve their tired feet and suddenly the crazy stuff started to happen.

Trump had offered federal assistance with security and the DC Mayor turned him down. The capitol police had asked their chief for backup well in advance of the demonstration and they were denied. Everyone knew there was going to be a crowd in DC that day. Instead of demonizing the demonstrators who were there peacefully, ask why the door was held open. Ask why there was not adequate security in town that day and around the Capitol. Ask who is responsible for this. Let the investigation into what happened and who was responsible to conclude before rushing to judgement. Well, oops, too late for that ain't it?[/QUOTE]

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1. Would appreciate a link to "what you have read".

2. Did you listen, watch or read the press conference yesterday ?

3. This link is important.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mob-failure/2021/01/11/36a46e2e-542e-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

4. While there is much much more to come from investigation, it sounds like someone is blowing smoke at you. That is why I really need to see your links. Some of what you say has "partial" truth, but leaves out so very very much.

[jimjamuser]

I am puzzled by the requirement that members of Congress and their staff are required to disarm before entering the congressional spaces. Certainly, anyone intending to enter the space with the intent to kill congress members will ignore the metal detectors and enter the chamber fully armed. Then the only people in the room will be the evil doer. Perhaps you can explain how this is beneficial to the intended victims. Thank you. BTW, one congresswoman has already entered the chambers fully armed and not been fined or arrested.
The Secret Service Agents are armed and capable of protecting Congress in normal times - Jan 6th was an outlier - a cluster (self-censored) that should NEVER be repeated due to increased awareness and better security perimeters. The majority of the Congresspeople do NOT want a few highly polarized trigger-happy hot-heads bullying and intimidating the non-armed members who are concerned and need to concentrate on working on the over-all US problems.

[Gulfcoast]

To set the record straight. The metal detectors were installed directly after the incident at the Capitol on the 6th. A young Congresswoman from Colorado arrived at the Capitol the next morning and discovered the metal detectors in place. She refused to open her purse for security, not to be rude or defiant, but for her own safety reasons. She had been in the Capitol the day before and had felt threatened. She had seen videos of the door being held open by a guard. She thought it unwise to send a loud message to the world that the members of Congress are unarmed, sitting ducks.

I totally get why she did what she did and I support her.

[Bill14564]

To set the record straight. The metal detectors were installed directly after the incident at the Capitol on the 6th. A young Congresswoman from Colorado arrived at the Capitol the next morning and discovered the metal detectors in place. She refused to open her purse for security, not to be rude or defiant, but for her own safety reasons. She had been in the Capitol the day before and had felt threatened. She had seen videos of the door being held open by a guard. She thought it unwise to send a loud message to the world that the members of Congress are unarmed, sitting ducks.

I totally get why she did what she did and I support her.

That's an interesting spin on the interaction the Congresswoman had with security. I'm pretty sure (but don't feel like tracking down now) that this spin doesn't align with the Congresswoman's own explanation of her actions.

Oh, and if I read it correctly, the magnetometers were installed the evening of 1/12 or the morning of 1/13 and NOT "directly after the incident."

[Gulfcoast]

This whole incident is still under investigation. From what I have read there is evidence that this raid on the Capitol was preplanned and many of the people who gained entry into the capitol were masked. 99.9% of the people in DC that day went there to show support for the members of Congress seeking to block the certification from happening. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees with them is irrelevant. They were there peacefully which is probably why they were not afraid to show their faces.

There is video of at least one guard opening up the door to the Capitol and waving people in. They entered as tourists, walked around taking pictures, some of them sat down on benches to relieve their tired feet and suddenly the crazy stuff started to happen.

Trump had offered federal assistance with security and the DC Mayor turned him down. The capitol police had asked their chief for backup well in advance of the demonstration and they were denied. Everyone knew there was going to be a crowd in DC that day. Instead of demonizing the demonstrators who were there peacefully, ask why the door was held open. Ask why there was not adequate security in town that day and around the Capitol. Ask who is responsible for this. Let the investigation into what happened and who was responsible to conclude before rushing to judgement. Well, oops, too late for that ain't it?

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1. Would appreciate a link to "what you have read".

2. Did you listen, watch or read the press conference yesterday ?

3. This link is important.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mob-failure/2021/01/11/36a46e2e-542e-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

4. While there is much much more to come from investigation, it sounds like someone is blowing smoke at you. That is why I really need to see your links. Some of what you say has "partial" truth, but leaves out so very very much.[/QUOTE]

Please don't link the Washington Post as a legitimate news source. They are not.

I am waiting for the results of the investigation conclude.

Editing to add: I lived in the DC area for years. And the idea that a crowd of unarmed demonstrators could force their way into the Capitol is not ringing true to me at all. Especially post 9-11. Something does not add up.

[jimjamuser]

What we need, is insurrectionists to be shot the second they breech federal buildings.
I would have tried to shoot them in the leg if I could. So, I half agree. They needed to be STOPPED and put in prison. I would have tried to NOT kill them! I think that attack dogs might have been appropriate in that situation also.

[Gulfcoast]

I would have tried to shoot them in the leg if I could. So, I half agree. They needed to be STOPPED and put in prison. I would have tried to NOT kill them! I think that attack dogs might have been appropriate in that situation also.

The problem is, most of the people inside were LET in. They were there like tourists, not to raise hell. You think a guy on crutches and a little old lady stormed in there?

There had to be an inside element to this. Be sure that you are not just looking at MSM for your information.

[jimjamuser]

I believe you are incorrect. The $$ fines you reference are to enforce mask wearing after Republican House members refused to wear or accept masks while sequestered in close quarters.
And about 3 came down with CV immediately after. That was very sad and pathetic. Man's inhumanity to man!

[Gulfcoast]

And about 3 came down with CV immediately after. That was very sad and pathetic. Man's inhumanity to man!

And they all somehow survived to tell about it.

[Aces4]

Where was all the horror when the retired cop attempting to protect his store was shot and killed. How about the policemen attacked and some shot in their squads by”protesters”. How about all the businesses ransacked and products stolen by “protesters”? How about the people terrorized by all the rioter, oops... I mean “ protesters” this past summer? Typical selective report here of the facts. And, yes, there is that faction in DC that waits for the opportunity to cause trouble no matter who is president and this was their opportunity to sneak into action.

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I recall lots and lots of horror, in addition to about 5 times more arrested.

It was horrible, but not a coup against my country.

Not based on LIES....PROVEN LIES

This was NOT a protest or a demonstration. It was an attempted coup...it was sedition

Suggest you do some reading from the FBI, etc. To find the true horror of what happened and what was the intent.

If you are using "how about" ism to justify an attempted take over, you definitely have a problem.

Unfortunately, at my age, this memory will last forever and I suppose it should. I cannot imagine how this explained to children or grandchildren.

Jan 6 will long live.....versus 9/11, the differences are awesome. From the leader of the coup to the ignoring of the coup members constant theme of patriotism and respect for police....the constant talking about law and order which appears to just be about the ongoing con job.

Things, events, etc based on lies are really scary[/QUOTE]





Coup, phooey. Just like this past summer, there were protesters and a few nasty renegades. They didn’t storm the building with assault rifles, tanks or anything of that sort. It was a protest.

Strange how it’s accepable when the average person suffered even worse terror and damage for days and even months this past year but when it ruffles the feathers of the politicians, there is h*ll to pay.

BTW, what happened on January 6th, lol.

[jimjamuser]

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Would appreciate you linking me to, or at least telling me where you have seen the citizens of a country attack their own nations capital......then break into elected officials offices and steal......and of course one of the scenes that will stay with me forever...that of these people beating police officers into the ground with hockey sticks, that and the scene where fire extinguishers are thrown at officers. By the way, this from folks who "say" they defend police.

And such attack based on lies...NO truths all validate lies. They were motivated to this outrageous behavior by lies....NOT one truth.

Please....I know of nowhere where folks like you defend such actions.




Where was all the horror when the retired cop attempting to protect his store was shot and killed. How about the policemen attacked and some shot in their squads by”protesters”. How about all the businesses ransacked and products stolen by “protesters”? How about the people terrorized by all the rioter, oops... I mean “ protesters” this past summer? Typical selective report here of the facts. And, yes, there is that faction in DC that waits for the opportunity to cause trouble no matter who is president and this was their opportunity to sneak into action.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with the last sentence.

[Aces4]

Where was all the horror when the retired cop attempting to protect his store was shot and killed. How about the policemen attacked and some shot in their squads by”protesters”. How about all the businesses ransacked and products stolen by “protesters”? How about the people terrorized by all the rioter, oops... I mean “ protesters” this past summer? Typical selective report here of the facts. And, yes, there is that faction in DC that waits for the opportunity to cause trouble no matter who is president and this was their opportunity to sneak into action.
I disagree with the last sentence.[/QUOTE]

We agree to disagree, hope that’s not sedition or a coup:1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

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I recall lots and lots of horror, in addition to about 5 times more arrested.

It was horrible, but not a coup against my country.

Not based on LIES....PROVEN LIES

This was NOT a protest or a demonstration. It was an attempted coup...it was sedition

Suggest you do some reading from the FBI, etc. To find the true horror of what happened and what was the intent.

If you are using "how about" ism to justify an attempted take over, you definitely have a problem.

Unfortunately, at my age, this memory will last forever and I suppose it should. I cannot imagine how this explained to children or grandchildren.

Jan 6 will long live.....versus 9/11, the differences are awesome. From the leader of the coup to the ignoring of the coup members constant theme of patriotism and respect for police....the constant talking about law and order which appears to just be about the ongoing con job.

Things, events, etc based on lies are really scary





Coup, phooey. Just like this past summer, there were protesters and a few nasty renegades. They didn’t storm the building with assault rifles, tanks or anything of that sort. It was a protest.

Strange how it’s accepable when the average person suffered even worse terror and damage for days and even months this past year but when it ruffles the feathers of the politicians, there is h*ll to pay.

BTW, what happened on January 6th, lol.[/QUOTE]
It was important because of the symbolism of what was attacked - the US peoples' house. And the purpose of the attack - to overturn the results of an election that was fixed in place legally and needed to only be formally certified.

It was a coup. Ultimately it was an unsuccessful coup, but a coup nonetheless. It fits the definition. The Capital Policeman died and many more were injured as they defended the Capital from a treasonous attack. The potential for many more deaths was huge. The US government was lucky to escape greater harm. There was a lot of bravery shown by individual patriots.

[sail33or]

Here is your Capital Assault Leader. He outsmarted the FBI and disguised himself as a Naked Buffalo Indian. He walked right through the front door. Very devious of him to do that. Gee, he almost, almost defeated the United States and became its Chief.

[Bucco]

I disagree with the last sentence.

600+ rallies, including in DC, and the only violence happened when Antifa confronted and attacked the demonstrators, often blindsiding them and hitting them from behind.

Now this incident at the Capitol is being used to paint a largely peaceful, freedom loving, God fearing, patriotic group as insurrectionists....terrorists. We aren't even sure who actually engaged in the violence. The investigation is still being conducted. It would not surprise me even a little if Antifa had a hand in this.[/QUOTE]
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I am confused, surprised, and saddened by these posts (not just the one to which I am replying.

Does nobody understand what has happened ? Does nobody consider trying to get facts ? ThevAntifa thing was vented, as expected almost immediately (as always) and totally disproved.

It appears that those websites that deal exclusively in conspiracy theories are the primary reading for so many. To not even wanting to know truth is really something I would be ashamed of. Nothing peaceful or patriotic about American citizens "outspokenly" searching for the Vice President and his family....why ?...because he openly refused to mock the constitution. They were and still are in fear for their lives, as are anyone who has been outspoken in characterizing an extreme act of non American behavior.

I hear, and I do in fact read all sides, not those in the garbage dump, all reasonable opinions, and since i am getting ill at some of these teenage comments, let me just comment on some things I hear about the platforms that have shut down lying, only to be met with comments that are akin to "if I can't lie, then what"?

Presidential speech is not like private citizen speech. If you can fire the Secretary of State or pardon a co-conspirator with a tweet, then your calls for violence, too, must be deemed operative.

[jimjamuser]

Here is your Capital Assault Leader. He outsmarted the FBI and disguised himself as a Naked Buffalo Indian. He walked right through the front door. Very devious of him to do that. Gee, he almost, almost defeated the United States and became its Chief.
At minimum, they are all trespassing. At maximum , they get 20 years for sedition against the US Government. I would NOT like to be any one of them!

[billlaur]

good luck with that

[jimjamuser]

The problem is, most of the people inside were LET in. They were there like tourists, not to raise hell. You think a guy on crutches and a little old lady stormed in there?

There had to be an inside element to this. Be sure that you are not just looking at MSM for your information.
People were NOT allowed into the innermost floor of the Congress where VP Pense was certifying the election vote. The Secret Service had to whisk away Pense, Pelosi, and others at the last minute to save their lives. That is when the ex-Air Force lady was shot in the head. If anyone has ever been around an out of control MOB, they KNOW that anything can happen - you fear for your DEATH!
......There was organization and planning for this event as exemplified by the lady rioter with the megaphone shouting instructions about where to "HUNT DOWN" the Congresspeople and where their offices were. We could hear the mob shouting, "hang Pense".

[jimjamuser]

This was not a coup. Hypocrites. I hope all responsible get arrested.
Let's just hope that BOTH those individuals in the 2 pictures are now doing time in prison. They are BOTH examples of the social fractioning that the US has to endure now in our recent History. The top picture is a crime - against personal property in one city in the US. The bottom picture is a crime - against the WHOLE US Government and all of the US citizens - it is neither "cute" nor "trivial". A Capitol Policeman lost his life and several others to prevent that picture from EVER having been taken. It is sad and terrifying, not "cute"!

[Bucco]

People were NOT allowed into the innermost floor of the Congress where VP Pense was certifying the election vote. The Secret Service had to whisk away Pense, Pelosi, and others at the last minute to save their lives. That is when the ex-Air Force lady was shot in the head. If anyone has ever been around an out of control MOB, they KNOW that anything can happen - you fear for your DEATH!
......There was organization and planning for this event as exemplified by the lady rioter with the megaphone shouting instructions about where to "HUNT DOWN" the Congresspeople and where their offices were. We could hear the mob shouting, "hang Pense".

It was truely an horrendous event.

Jan 6, 2021 will be remembered as one of the blackest days in our country.

First ever actual coup attempt, led by the head of government.

First invasion of our nations capital building in approx 150 years...British were the last.

Was in no way a protest of anything. It was based on nothing but proven conspiracies theories, not lies based on a foreign government, but lies and conspiracies totally invented and spread to arouse action by our very own government.

Police brutalized and one killed by those who loudly proclaim to be pro police.

Entire incident waged by those who claim to be patriots, and by those who claim to be law abiding.

Again, all based on lies, that were known to be lies.

Actual threats to members of our governing bodies, including our Vice President.

Those who opposed the leader of this mass incursion belittled on public transportation.

Certainly a day to remember. How in the world is this explained to our children

[Bucco]

When we look back on Jan 6th we see more and more details and information about the treasonous rioters. Who they are and what their motivations were. After about 2 months, when we look back there will be details about the Russian activities that they were involved in. Do not forget that there has been a recent Russian cyberattack on the US. That was much MORE difficult to pull off than just mingling in with a mob and snooping around in the Congressional Offices. That would be a "piece of cake" for well-trained Russian Agents.

Yep, plus if we read through a U.S. intelligence bulletin warning of future threats, it is striking how so many grievances motivating domestic extremists mirror the baseless claims of election fraud being touted by our very own government.

Yet, there are those who do not see this as sedition or coup, and wish to characterize it as just another protest.

You are correct...much more to come that I am sure will make the point of what this black event in our history even more scary.

[Aces4]

It was truely an horrendous event.

Jan 6, 2021 will be remembered as one of the blackest days in our country.

First ever actual coup attempt, led by the head of government.

First invasion of our nations capital building in approx 150 years...British were the last.

Was in no way a protest of anything. It was based on nothing but proven conspiracies theories, not lies based on a foreign government, but lies and conspiracies totally invented and spread to arouse action by our very own government.

Police brutalized and one killed by those who loudly proclaim to be pro police.

Entire incident waged by those who claim to be patriots, and by those who claim to be law abiding.

Again, all based on lies, that were known to be lies.

Actual threats to members of our governing bodies, including our Vice President.

Those who opposed the leader of this mass incursion belittled on public transportation.

Certainly a day to remember. How in the world is this explained to our children




Much created drama and posturing by many regarding this incident when most people here lived through the 60’s and witnessed via real news coverage the riots in Washington and across the nation. How quickly we forget.

[Bucco]

Much created drama and posturing by many regarding this incident when most people here lived through the 60’s and witnessed via real news coverage the riots in Washington and across the nation. How quickly we forget.

During the sixties, i actually was employed by the GOP.

Spent many hours in WashDC and Philadelphia. Walked the halls of congress during that time.

A very very bad time,but not even close to the absolute horror of Jan 6. Not once did I fear for my life...not once was I scared. Was in Philadelphia when Dr King came and never worried.

Now we hear about members of congress actually being threatened with their life, especially by those junior members of GOP recently elected. These details will work out, but seems the threats on V P Pence are real..

Secret Service investigating death threats against Pence | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-investigative-death-threats-against-pence)

A poster suggested that we are "becoming" a third world country. I believe we're now truely a third world country. We now threaten to kill those who are rivals in the political realm.

After all these years of so many lies being told, and so many weaklings believing, it will, if possible, take a long time for us to have any moral standing in the world.

Trust me, read the foreign news....we are now considered a third world country....we are performing in the role admirably. Following people, not a country...allegiance to lying, not truth.