GMR vaccinations suspended??

[laryb]

Here's what I just read:

Global Medical Response Suspends COVID-19 Vaccines in Sumter County Due to National Vaccine Shortage (https://www.globalmedicalresponse.com/news/2021/global-medical-response-suspends-covid-19-vaccines)

[Carla B]

Here's what I just read:

Global Medical Response Suspends COVID-19 Vaccines in Sumter County Due to National Vaccine Shortage (https://www.globalmedicalresponse.com/news/2021/global-medical-response-suspends-covid-19-vaccines)

Yes, apparently there will be an explanation in "The Daily Sun" tomorrow. Then I Googled "vaccine shortage." Sounds like the Federal government was going to release its stockpile but there was no stockpile, however, I can't confirm that.

[cbv0211]

That's disappointing. So close to getting a vaccine but so far away.

[Bill14564]

I understand that stuff happens but going from promising 90,000 doses in 90 days to suspending operations is a big change. (And they advertised the doses before the news about the missing stockpile)

[JGVillages]

I understand that stuff happens but going from promising 90,000 doses in 90 days to suspending operations is a big change. (And they advertised the doses before the news about the missing stockpile)

Stockpile Missing or just empty?

[Edjkoz]

Here's what I just read:

Global Medical Response Suspends COVID-19 Vaccines in Sumter County Due to National Vaccine Shortage (https://www.globalmedicalresponse.com/news/2021/global-medical-response-suspends-covid-19-vaccines)

Very concerning. We just got our first dose yesterday and canceled our appointment in Orange County because we though we would be good here. I just hope they straighten this out soon

[john m.]

Went for scheduled vaccine appointment at Safe Start today at 445pm
Deputy advised they “ran out of vaccine”

[Stu from NYC]

Well that stinks

[Bill14564]

Stockpile Missing or just empty?

The claim is that they stopped stockpiling when they became confident that the production chain would keep up. No reason to hold back shots of you can reliably heathen when you need them. Pretty much the thought process behind releasing the existing stockpile (that turned out not to exist).

Three problems:
1. No one told "them"that the stockpile had already been released.
2. On the FIRST DAY after deciding the production chain was sufficiently reliable our site runs out of vaccine
3. The numbers don't add up: what was promised doesn't match what was shipped which doesn't match what went into arms

[coffeebean]

My concern......... is the efficacy of the vaccine as good if the 2nd shot is later than it is supposed to be given which is 28 days for the Moderna vaccine? What if it is days or even weeks late? What happens then? Do we start over?

I'm not expecting anyone to have the answers. Just venting.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

My concern......... is the efficacy of the vaccine as good if the 2nd shot is later than it is supposed to be given which is 28 days for the Moderna vaccine? What if it is days or even weeks late? What happens then? Do we start over?

I'm not expecting anyone to have the answers. Just venting.

Then you have approximately 65% protection, as opposed to >98% protection.

[birdiebill]

Just received e-mail from GMR stating event on hold until they receive more doses of the vaccine. I was scheduled for first shot Jan 19

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I understand that stuff happens but going from promising 90,000 doses in 90 days to suspending operations is a big change. (And they advertised the doses before the news about the missing stockpile)

There was no stockpile. It can't be missing if it never existed. Health & Human Services Secretary Alex Azar resigned yesterday and announced it then.

[ohiosbestus]

Does this mean the safe restart program is suspended ?

[birdiebill]

Does this mean the safe restart program is suspended ?

Yes.

[New Englander]

There was suppose to be millions of doses of the vaccines sitting in freezers. How can this be? So the nine month nightmare continues.

[EdFNJ]

There was suppose to be millions of doses of the vaccines sitting in freezers. How can this be? Someone at best didn't remember they sent them all out and at worst someone lied. Although some states still have millions of doses that are sitting in freezers.

From a newspaper article:

Those in line for their second shots are still expected to get them on schedule because second doses are prioritized over first shots and states are still receiving regular vaccine shipments. But state and local officials say they are angry and bewildered by the shifting directions and changing explanations about supply. Their anxiety was deepened by projections that a highly contagious virus variant would spread rapidly throughout the United States and as daily covid-19 deaths averaged 3,320 this week.

[RaunchyRich]

Put the mask back on

[New Englander]

[QUOTE=EdFNJ;1888581]Someone at best didn't remember they sent them all out and at worst someone lied. Although some states still have millions of doses that are sitting in freezers.

Something this important would be hard to forget.

[EdFNJ]

Something this important would be hard to forget. Yep, They likely had other things on their minds. Google "missing vaccine doses".

[CFrance]

Someone at best didn't remember they sent them all out and at worst someone lied. Although some states still have millions of doses that are sitting in freezers.

From a newspaper article:

Those in line for their second shots are still expected to get them on schedule because second doses are prioritized over first shots and states are still receiving regular vaccine shipments. But state and local officials say they are angry and bewildered by the shifting directions and changing explanations about supply. Their anxiety was deepened by projections that a highly contagious virus variant would spread rapidly throughout the United States and as daily covid-19 deaths averaged 3,320 this week.
This is what the email said about the second doses: "If you received an appointment for your second dose, your appointment will remain as scheduled until further notice. If we do not receive the necessary doses, we will reschedule your second vaccination appointment."

[Two Bills]

Europe is running short, as Pfizer scaled back on distribution, whilst the changed/upgraded(?) production. Statement said higher production is imminent.
UK seems to be doing quite well for vaccine, and getting it into peoples arms,although the trend here is one vaccination then up to 3 monthe for second jab.
Don't understand how that works, but CMO says it will be ok!?
Feeling a bit like mushrooms, kept in dark, and fed a load of s**t.
Wife and I so lucky to have had both jabs early.

[Bob in Fishers]

No that is false. Check the CDC site

[BillyC]

There was a report that the site in The Villages distributed 7,000 Vaccine doses since the site opened on Monday... if accurate, there are 7,000 folks that will require the 2nd dose starting on (@?) February 3. For those of us that are in that initial 7,000, we should be covered by the incoming distributions projected. If that does not occur, our Governor is to blame... at the snap of a finger, he can redirect enough doses to cover the load. I feel sick about those who have pending, confirmed appointments that have been (hopefully) just TEMPORARY pushed back... just keep the faith....

[cherylncliff]

Went for scheduled vaccine appointment at Safe Start today at 445pm
Deputy advised they “ran out of vaccine”

We went at 4:15 and they were out.

[SacDQ]

The news has released Biden’s new plan and they will be distributing the remaining vaccine differently. Targeting those in areas hit the hardest.
I guess Florida is not on the list.

[BillyC]

We went by the site at 4:45 Sunday afternoon as they were closing it up for the day... there were @ 20 cars waiting out their 15 minute observation period and no cars in line awaiting service... Officer told me directly: site is scheduled to close but last appointments are scheduled for 4:30.... that jived with what we observed...

[matandch]

What if it is days or even weeks late? What happens then? Do we start over?



The second shot is a booster to push efficacy up to the promised 95%. You will have up to 80% efficacy with just 1 shot. You do not have to start over.

[Girlcopper]

My concern......... is the efficacy of the vaccine as good if the 2nd shot is later than it is supposed to be given which is 28 days for the Moderna vaccine? What if it is days or even weeks late? What happens then? Do we start over?

I'm not expecting anyone to have the answers. Just venting.
You have to start over. First shot needs second within a certain leriod of time

[merled]

Yep, I got that email notice this morning too.

[Eg_cruz]

I am blown away how fast people are willing to be lab rats.

[JanetMM]

This morning I had a text that said there was an important email for me explaining the situation. But I did not get any email. I know they have my email address correctly bc theyresponded to my original sign up. Did this happen to anyone else?

Please don’t start with the political. Anytime you doing up a worldwide roll out like this there are glitches. FUBAR is correct. We really need to keep this thread going to help each other so no political please.

[Donaz1]

I thought that DeSantis just stated that there was 250,000 doses available for our area. I am on the waitlist but will not "lose my position on the registry". Why should I believe that?

[retiredguy123]

This morning I had a text that said there was an important email for me explaining the situation. But I did not get any email. I know they have my email address correctly bc theyresponded to my original sign up. Did this happen to anyone else?

Please don’t start with the political. Anytime you doing up a worldwide roll out like this there are glitches. FUBAR is correct. We really need to keep this thread going to help each other so no political please.
Here is the text of the email.

Due to unforeseen circumstances surrounding the national vaccine supply, we are temporarily suspending the operation of the mass vaccination site in Sumter County. Here’s what you need to know:

If you received an appointment for your second dose, your appointment will remain as scheduled until further notice. If we do not receive the necessary doses, we will reschedule your second vaccination appointment.All 7,500 scheduled appointments for first doses, including those who received scheduling codes but have not yet scheduled, have been placed on hold until we receive adequate supply of the vaccine.If you have registered but have not yet received a scheduling code, you will remain waitlisted in the order received. Rest assured, you will not lose your place on our registry.We will continue to process registrations for vaccines and place individuals on the waitlist to adequately assess demand and report those totals to the Florida Department of Health.

Global Medical Response teams are committed to the Sumter County community's needs and are working very closely with the State of Florida Department of Emergency Management and Florida Department of Health. We are prepared to resume vaccinations as soon as we receive notice that vaccine doses are available.

Like so many of you, we are hopeful that the vaccine supply opens up quickly. We thank you for your understanding of this situation which is beyond our control. Our intention in establishing the vaccination site is to ensure that this community has immediate access to vaccines so that we can all edge closer to brighter days. Please stay safe!

[Cheapbas]

I just got the email direct from them, at least they confirm I am on a waitlist, so that’s somewhat comforting.

[nick demis]

Then you have approximately 65% protection, as opposed to >98% protection.

That is only if you DON'T get a second dose, not if it is delayed.

[birdawg]

Got a phone call 3:37 am that I had a email this morning about the vaccination. Why the hell would you call someone at this time

[coffeebean]

Put the mask back on

The mask should not have been removed in the first place. Even after the 2nd shot, we have been requested by the CDC and Dr. Fauci to continue to follow the virus mitigation protocols until further notice. That means to continue to wear the mask and social distance. Bummer, isn't it?

[coconutmama]

Yep, I got that email notice this morning too.

Same with us. Very discouraging. We did not even have the 1st shot. Although the jury is out on how effective only 1 inoculation would be, wish we had at least that.

Hope situation is corrected soon. Can’t believe the money spent so far & still such a quagmire. So many deaths...shudder to think this would be our country’s best effort should we have the misfortune to be in another war.

[jbrown132]

One question, does anyone know if any of the vaccine being produced in the US is being shipped overseas?

[Yucatan2]

The news has released Biden’s new plan and they will be distributing the remaining vaccine differently. Targeting those in areas hit the hardest.
I guess Florida is not on the list.

I have been watching the worldometers.info site for months, tracking cases and deaths. Florida has been consistently third in the number of cases, and we also have the third most population. South Florida has been where most of the cases and deaths are located....Miami as of yesterday has 4561 deaths so far, compared to Marion at 534, Lake at 377, and Sumter at 156 deaths total since last March. So, statistically The Villages certainly is not the most needy area of FL. Seniors here have been doing the right things to avoid getting sick.
What concerns me though, is that yesterday, the new deaths for Miami were 33, Marion had 5, Lake had 28, and Sumter had 30 new deaths! Usually Sumter crawls along with 1 new death every few days....what happened? That is a huge jump for a county with only 156 deaths total!

[ken.yotz]

More Covid mismanagement by the Feds and state.

[FromNY]

Keep the Masks on. As far as additional deaths and or cases the winter population has increased. Visitors , Snowbirds. Also attitudes... heard people say "heck got my shot don't need the mask". Bummer they got Covid!
Yes someone screwed the American people all over the country. It isn't just here in Florida. Maybe you need to check with other states and see if they have any doses?
More vaccines will be released in upcoming months. Johnson and Johnson should be out in March... one shot! We have delt with this for almost a year. Mask social distancing wash hands and work at staying healthy.

[vonbork]

Just received e-mail from GMR stating event on hold until they receive more doses of the vaccine. I was scheduled for first shot Jan 19
It really seems as though the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. I get messages saying the vaccinations are "on hold", and then I get a reminder to go on line and pick a time. Apparently the "on hold" is correct but I live close by so I'm going to take a ride by anyway, just in case.

[Dond1959]

I have been watching the worldometers.info site for months, tracking cases and deaths. Florida has been consistently third in the number of cases, and we also have the third most population. South Florida has been where most of the cases and deaths are located....Miami as of yesterday has 4561 deaths so far, compared to Marion at 534, Lake at 377, and Sumter at 156 deaths total since last March. So, statistically The Villages certainly is not the most needy area of FL. Seniors here have been doing the right things to avoid getting sick.
What concerns me though, is that yesterday, the new deaths for Miami were 33, Marion had 5, Lake had 28, and Sumter had 30 new deaths! Usually Sumter crawls along with 1 new death every few days....what happened? That is a huge jump for a county with only 156 deaths total!

Agree with You that you cannot just look at total cases. Because our population is so large we will always have more cases (the same with CA and TX). You need to look at cases per million population on the Website. If you do that you will see Florida is slightly below the national average for cases per million. Now you can say that Florida has a higher percentage of at risk patients so we should be a priority. But looking at deaths per million Florida again is very close to the national average. So Florida is really better off than many other states in cases per million and deaths per million. The Worldometers site is a great place for information, but you need to be careful just looking at raw numbers.

[billethkid]

More Covid mismanagement by the Feds and state.

In my opinion Covid IS BEING MANAGED...

I believe even those who run the SafeRestart program were surprised and left flat footed....
Why would anybody staff up and start a program of such magnitude without knowing available sources and supply chain requirements?
THEY WOULD NOT!!

Recall months ago when warp speed was being touted.
Suppliers were so confident they were already ramping up production to the tune of millions per day/week.
Hence a major build up.....somewhere.

Something has definitely changed....and as usual with no communications, speculation will and is running wild.

Even our very "adept media" trouble/dirt/scheme digger uppers did not detect any issues?!?!?!

The only positive from my perspective? I did get two emails at 7:25 pm last night about the delay...mine and my wife's....about the delay. Confirms we are on a list somewhere in the system.

Ironically (coincidence?) the time of day of the receipt of the delay email was the same time as on our initial confirmation email from SafeRestart.

I suspect the managing of the Covid plans of action will take a new direction (for the better) 1/21/2021!!!

As for the question whether we are shipping vaccine outside the USA....until proven otherwise history would suggest .....of course we are!!!

The counsel we receive thus far of being patient has no merit/validity.

Recent and current performance to promise warrants no better grading!!

:pray:

[Singerlady]

My concern......... is the efficacy of the vaccine as good if the 2nd shot is later than it is supposed to be given which is 28 days for the Moderna vaccine? What if it is days or even weeks late? What happens then? Do we start over?

I'm not expecting anyone to have the answers. Just venting.

Not sure they tested that aspect with this expedited rollout. They’ve got to have some data, but maybe not what they’d like to have.

[gwenhwalker@yahoo.com]

Here's what I just read:

Global Medical Response Suspends COVID-19 Vaccines in Sumter County Due to National Vaccine Shortage (https://www.globalmedicalresponse.com/news/2021/global-medical-response-suspends-covid-19-vaccines)

Received notice by text and email that all registered are on hold

[merrymini]

Love the armchair quarterbacks. It is so easy to deal with a world pandemic. We should have been prepared! Just like the mass production of hand sanitizer, masks and disposable gloves, eventually filling landfills all over the country. If you believe fauci or the cdc, you have been nipping at the brandy.

[toeser]

The news has released Biden’s new plan and they will be distributing the remaining vaccine differently. Targeting those in areas hit the hardest.
I guess Florida is not on the list.

Production is far more of an issue than distribution. It remains to be seen if he can do anything about that.

[toeser]

Look, everyone know this administration did not order enough vaccine. Something ugly is behind this. But we wait.

Enough has been ordered to vaccinate virtually everyone who wants a shot. The problem is in production. Also, the FDA is sitting on approval for AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine which already has been approved by multiple countries. Blame them.

[asianthree]

If I was thinking of getting the vaccine, I would be glad in not receiving the first dose.
The studies for the vaccine were for doses given at x number of days, for 2 doses, to reach 94-96%.
If they held second dose, later for either company, to see the outcome, one would think it would have been in their press release.

A just in case we can’t produce, enough vaccine this is the % without 2nd dose, or dose given 60 days later

[wiltma]

Put the mask back on
They should never have come off

[graciegirl]

If I was thinking of getting the vaccine, I would be glad in not receiving the first dose.
The studies for the vaccine were for doses given at x number of days, for 2 doses, to reach 94-96%.
If they held second dose, later for either company, to see the outcome, one would think it would have been in their press release.

A just in case we can’t produce, enough vaccine this is the % without 2nd dose, or dose given 60 days later



I think it is far better to have 60% immunity with one shot than NO immunity. Two shots give you better than 90% immunity.

NOW I am hearing conspiracy theories that the inability to GET the shots right now is due to some behind the scenes hold up to make the next person in charge look good.

I don't believe that. I think I don't believe that.

No. I don't listen to conspiracy theories.....but so much STUFF is happening that make us all wonder who is driving the truck.

[billethkid]

I think it is far better to have 60% immunity with one shot than NO immunity. Two shots give you better than 90% immunity.

NOW I am hearing conspiracy theories that the inability to GET the shots right now is due to some behind the scenes hold up to make the next person in charge look good.

I don't believe that. I think I don't believe that.

No. I don't listen to conspiracy theories.....but so much STUFF is happening that make us all wonder who is driving the truck.

especially with today's technical, computer prowess, capability and genius...the current results earn suspicion!

[oneclickplus]

I am blown away how fast people are willing to be lab rats.

Agreed. Very few are thinking about this. The masses are throwing all caution to the wind and treating the vaccine like it was sent from God. Yes, tests and studies were done. But, only over a relatively short time period. What if this vaccine rears an unseen, ugly head 6-12 months from now ... severe adverse reactions or worse. Who's fault will that be? Well, the answer is each and every person who takes this vaccine. You (and only you) are primarily responsible for your own health and anything that threatens it.

Eat right such that you get sufficient quantities of Vit C, Zinc. You are all fortunate to live in the sunshine state. Get outside and expose yourself to the sun (that's how vitamin D is made - no you can't put in sunscreen and make vitamin D). Provide for your immune system and it will provide for you. How many people are taking this approach, I wonder.

Screw with your immune system (vaccine) and you take risks on what the result will be. Pfizer and Moderna don't know what they don't know.
Not enough people are thinking this through.

[Max0431Zoe]

Here's what I just read:

Global Medical Response Suspends COVID-19 Vaccines in Sumter County Due to National Vaccine Shortage (https://www.globalmedicalresponse.com/news/2021/global-medical-response-suspends-covid-19-vaccines)
Here is the link. Global Medical Response Suspends COVID-19 Vaccines in Sumter County Due to National Vaccine Shortage (https://tinyurl.com/yxeb2ynh)

[Byte1]

We received emails this morning that they are out of vaccine and will contact us when or if they get more.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

There was suppose to be millions of doses of the vaccines sitting in freezers. How can this be? So the nine month nightmare continues.

Remember when we were told it would be "years" before a vaccine would be available? Now we're grousing that supplies of said vaccine are delayed? 🙄

[Bill14564]

Agreed. Very few are thinking about this. The masses are throwing all caution to the wind and treating the vaccine like it was sent from God. Yes, tests and studies were done. But, only over a relatively short time period. What if this vaccine rears an unseen, ugly head 6-12 months from now ... severe adverse reactions or worse. Who's fault will that be? Well, the answer is each and every person who takes this vaccine. You (and only you) are primarily responsible for your own health and anything that threatens it.

Eat right such that you get sufficient quantities of Vit C, Zinc. You are all fortunate to live in the sunshine state. Get outside and expose yourself to the sun (that's how vitamin D is made - no you can't put in sunscreen and make vitamin D). Provide for your immune system and it will provide for you. How many people are taking this approach, I wonder.

Screw with your immune system (vaccine) and you take risks on what the result will be. Pfizer and Moderna don't know what they don't know.
Not enough people are thinking this through.

Just how long is long enough for the study you would like to see? And please, don't reply in minutes or hours, the number would be too long and months or years would be too small. Let's try lives.

At about 3,000 lives per day, 20,000 lives per week, and something like 80,000 lives per month, how many lives are you willing to sacrifice to be absolutely confident? At the current pace, your 6 - 12 months would equate to 500,000 - 900,000 additional lives lost to waiting. Would 1,200,000 dead Americans be sufficient for "thinking this through?"

[Bonnevie]

Agreed. Very few are thinking about this. The masses are throwing all caution to the wind and treating the vaccine like it was sent from God. Yes, tests and studies were done. But, only over a relatively short time period. What if this vaccine rears an unseen, ugly head 6-12 months from now ... severe adverse reactions or worse. Who's fault will that be? Well, the answer is each and every person who takes this vaccine. You (and only you) are primarily responsible for your own health and anything that threatens it.

Eat right such that you get sufficient quantities of Vit C, Zinc. You are all fortunate to live in the sunshine state. Get outside and expose yourself to the sun (that's how vitamin D is made - no you can't put in sunscreen and make vitamin D). Provide for your immune system and it will provide for you. How many people are taking this approach, I wonder.

Screw with your immune system (vaccine) and you take risks on what the result will be. Pfizer and Moderna don't know what they don't know.
Not enough people are thinking this through.

what a nice thought...all you have to do is get the right vitamins. like no one who takes all those things have caught the virus. it's not just your immune system...it's viral load and how infectious the disease is, too and the new variant is much more contagious. I'll take my chances with the vaccine.

[BillyC]

We got registered on TUESDAY MORNING AT 6AM and got our 1st dose on Wednesday afternoon at 1PM..... and TRUST ME if you trust no one else: WE ARE NOT CONNECTED to ANYONE as you suggest.... we are not politically connected to ANYONE... you need get some FACTS before you or others start posting this NONSENSE... I hope the moderator pulls your post... this crap has to stop...

[gpk111]

Very concerning. We just got our first dose yesterday and canceled our appointment in Orange County because we though we would be good here. I just hope they straighten this out soon

After shopping around in various counties, we too cancelled ours in Orange County after receiving one in Duvall. They gave us an appointment card for 4 weeks out. Remember you have to go back to the same place you received the first shot.

Please PM if interested in sharing experiences within the crazy environment (I was going to say "system," but that would be over the top)

[stebooo]

If you can't confirm don't accuse

[DAVES]

My two cents worth.
From the financial news, I read a while ago that Pfizer is owned by China, Germany, ????? France and the US. Moderna was listed as US owned. I also read somewhere that Moderna costs less. No one is talking or even thinking about cost. What we are seeing is panic. I anticipate like what happens with toys, theater tickets etc that we will see scalpers.

[gpk111]

Most of the complaints seem to center around local distribution. There is a whole other world out there of counties which are within driving range. That now also included Publix and some hospitals. Most counties have mysterious sign up windows and the processes are all different. Hospitals tend not to want to bother with you at all unless you're a patient, but there are exceptions.

The moral: instead of focusing on the deficiencies of the local distribution, amuse yourself with the deficiencies and educate yourself about the occasional opportunities in the surrounding distribution systems.


In my case, I deemed Duvall and Orange County to present interesting opportunities.

Good luck, everyone.

[ithos]

Why could it take years to develop a coronavirus vaccine? Curious Texas explains. (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/04/21/why-could-it-take-years-to-develop-a-coronavirus-vaccine/)

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Instead of being grateful that we have had a vaccine in record time, it is sad that people use it as an opportunity to gratuitously inject their divisive and hateful political commentary.

Anyone who thought that there would not be glitches in rolling out a vaccine to billions of people for the first time believes in utopia.

We have greatly exceeded the expectations from just 10 months ago. I am very pleased with that.

[chrissy2231]

if you have apptmnt, they have stock

[Stu from NYC]

My two cents worth.
From the financial news, I read a while ago that Pfizer is owned by China, Germany, ????? France and the US. Moderna was listed as US owned. I also read somewhere that Moderna costs less. No one is talking or even thinking about cost. What we are seeing is panic. I anticipate like what happens with toys, theater tickets etc that we will see scalpers.

I believe you are confusing a country investing in the research to make the vaccine with ownership. In addition you should reread where you think you have gotten this info as what you are saying is wrong

[Lottoguy]

Many of us trust the science and the experts. The "lab rats" have already been tested in three phases.

[JSR22]

if you have apptmnt, they have stock

Not true. The appointments have been canceled. They are out of stock.

[Jensor17]

Still a great country. For awhile. Don’t listen to fake news
Ps. I never even got date for 1st shot email said “your submission is received and approved and its date and time recorded. You’ll be contacted as additional times are released “ Now it ends. Before it started.
Only God knows our Fate and we can’t change THAT

[EdFNJ]

The second shot is a booster to push efficacy up to the promised 95%. You will have up to 80% efficacy with just 1 shot. You do not have to start over. 80% Source please.

Pfizer said the late-stage trial found its shot was about 52% effective after the first dose, with study results showing protection starting as early as 12 days after receiving it. A week after the second dose, the shot's effectiveness rose to 95%, Pfizer said its study found.Jan 8, 2021

and

Doctors tell ABC7 News that the first vaccine shot gives 50 percent immunity, which doesn't kick in for a week with the Pfizer vaccine and two weeks with the Moderna vaccine.

and

Pfizer’s vaccine was 52% effective after the first shot and 95% after the second one.

How effective is a single vaccine dose against Covid-19? - BBC Future (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210114-covid-19-how-effective-is-a-single-vaccine-dose)
Pretend it didn't happen – expert advice on how to behave after receiving a single dose of any of the Covid-19 vaccines.

[Lottoguy]

"Where are the other does?" Many go to the well connected and those with money to sidestep the entire process. Azar already said the truth was not told about the vaccine in reserve.

[EdFNJ]

I hate conspiracy theories but I worry about this.
[conspiracy theories edited out]
I hate conspiracy theories... we'll see what happens.


Then don't spread them.

[New Englander]

I think it is far better to have 60% immunity with one shot than NO immunity. Two shots give you better than 90% immunity.

NOW I am hearing conspiracy theories that the inability to GET the shots right now is due to some behind the scenes hold up to make the next person in charge look good.

I don't believe that. I think I don't believe that.

No. I don't listen to conspiracy theories.....but so much STUFF is happening that make us all wonder who is driving the truck.




Seems like the Vaccine truck has been driver-less for a couple of months.

[askcarl]

After shopping around in various counties, we too cancelled ours in Orange County after receiving one in Duvall. They gave us an appointment card for 4 weeks out. Remember you have to go back to the same place you received the first shot.

Please PM if interested in sharing experiences within the crazy environment (I was going to say "system," but that would be over the top)
No, you do not have to go back to the same place. Your Data was sent to CDC. The only requirement is to receive the same (Pfizer-Pfizer or Moderna-Moderna) vaccine. That's why you where given a COVID 19 Vaccination Record Card. All information needed to get the 2nd shot is on that card.

Don't make this any harder than it has to be.

AC

[herbaru]

Went for scheduled vaccine appointment at Safe Start today at 445pm
Deputy advised they “ran out of vaccine”

I guess we were the car that pulled up behind you.
How did they not know they didn’t even have enough to complete Saturdays appointments!!?? Funny how that’s not mentioned in the article. Sure hope we are actually put at the top of the list for when they receive more. Then again how can we feel confident that they will get the second dose on time?

[EF2528]

Did everyone that registered get an email? Two person household that registered same day, only one received email.

[smidge]

Not a surprise!

[DOGSAREKEEPERS]

Reading it is one thing, getting a ROBO call at 3:30 AM to tell me it was almost enough to scare me to death, with or without the shots.

[vermonster]

I have been watching the worldometers.info site for months, tracking cases and deaths. Florida has been consistently third in the number of cases, and we also have the third most population. South Florida has been where most of the cases and deaths are located....Miami as of yesterday has 4561 deaths so far, compared to Marion at 534, Lake at 377, and Sumter at 156 deaths total since last March. So, statistically The Villages certainly is not the most needy area of FL. Seniors here have been doing the right things to avoid getting sick.
What concerns me though, is that yesterday, the new deaths for Miami were 33, Marion had 5, Lake had 28, and Sumter had 30 new deaths! Usually Sumter crawls along with 1 new death every few days....what happened? That is a huge jump for a county with only 156 deaths total!
Please remember to adjust raw numbers by total population to come up with a rate of death. Number of deaths in a county is not a useful statistic, whereas rate (or % of deaths) is useful for making comparisons. Both Lake and Marion Counties have a population approximately three times that of Sumter, and Miami is even many multiples greater.

[vermonster]

I believe you are confusing a country investing in the research to make the vaccine with ownership. In addition you should reread where you think you have gotten this info as what you are saying is wrong
Both Pfizer (New York) and Moderna (Massachusetts) are headquartered in USA.

[herbaru]

Most of the complaints seem to center around local distribution. There is a whole other world out there of counties which are within driving range. That now also included Publix and some hospitals. Most counties have mysterious sign up windows and the processes are all different. Hospitals tend not to want to bother with you at all unless you're a patient, but there are exceptions.

The moral: instead of focusing on the deficiencies of the local distribution, amuse yourself with the deficiencies and educate yourself about the occasional opportunities in the surrounding distribution systems.


In my case, I deemed Duvall and Orange County to present interesting opportunities.

Good luck, everyone.

If you are trying to be helpful why not post links to these other “opportunities “?

[vermonster]

what a nice thought...all you have to do is get the right vitamins. like no one who takes all those things have caught the virus. it's not just your immune system...it's viral load and how infectious the disease is, too and the new variant is much more contagious. I'll take my chances with the vaccine.
My understanding is that by the time the immune system recognizes the new virus as an invader, the immune system may overreact producing too many cytokines (the cytokine storm), which result in serious consequences including death. The purpose of the vaccine is to "prime the pump," so to speak, so that the immune system will quickly recognize the virus as a foreign invader and dispatch it quickly without overreacting.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Remember the saying, “We’re from the government and we’re here to help you”? Yeah, right.

This vaccine rollout has become one convoluted (not the actual word I was wanting to use) mess.

[Barb.callow]

Reading it is one thing, getting a ROBO call at 3:30 AM to tell me it was almost enough to scare me to death, with or without the shots.

I don’t know whether to feel relieved or slighted — I’ve heard several say they got early morning/middle of the night calls and emails. I didn’t get a call just the email. 😁 or 😟?

[ohiosbestus]

Since this shortage has happened I sure hope this never happens to the beer, wine, and liquor production in this country or we will have issues like we have never seen in this country......

[Moderator]

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[Villages Kahuna]

Although I clearly am in CDC Group 1B and registered within 24 hours of the opening of the list for vaccinations at the 466A site, I’m only “on the list”.

So for a county of going on 140,000 residents, the state allocated Sumter county a total of 7,500 doses, enough for the two-shot procedure for only 3,250 people.

Does that sound like an equitable distribution to you? We need to smarten up, don’t you think?

[xcaligirl]

Stockpile Missing or just empty?
...or poorly managed???

[jimjamuser]

the second shot is a booster to push efficacy up to the promised 95%. You will have up to 80% efficacy with just 1 shot. You do not have to start over.
65 %

[jimjamuser]

Agreed. Very few are thinking about this. The masses are throwing all caution to the wind and treating the vaccine like it was sent from God. Yes, tests and studies were done. But, only over a relatively short time period. What if this vaccine rears an unseen, ugly head 6-12 months from now ... severe adverse reactions or worse. Who's fault will that be? Well, the answer is each and every person who takes this vaccine. You (and only you) are primarily responsible for your own health and anything that threatens it.

Eat right such that you get sufficient quantities of Vit C, Zinc. You are all fortunate to live in the sunshine state. Get outside and expose yourself to the sun (that's how vitamin D is made - no you can't put in sunscreen and make vitamin D). Provide for your immune system and it will provide for you. How many people are taking this approach, I wonder.

Screw with your immune system (vaccine) and you take risks on what the result will be. Pfizer and Moderna don't know what they don't know.
Not enough people are thinking this through.
The anti-vaxxers may succeed at torpedoing this whole attempt by society to achieve herd immunity through near-universal vaccination.

[Joe V.]

[/I][/B]


Seems like the Vaccine truck has been driver-less for a couple of months.

How so?

[asianthree]

Reading it is one thing, getting a ROBO call at 3:30 AM to tell me it was almost enough to scare me to death, with or without the shots.

You choose your communication phone call. If you had chosen text, or email your phone would not have rang. You choose poorly, if you didn’t want a robo call to wake you up

[asianthree]

The anti-vaxxers may succeed at torpedoing this whole attempt by society to achieve herd immunity through near-universal vaccination.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::popcorn:

[coffeebean]

No that is false. Check the CDC site

WHAT is false? Please quote the poster you are responding to otherwise we have no idea who you are replying to.

[coffeebean]

The news has released Biden’s new plan and they will be distributing the remaining vaccine differently. Targeting those in areas hit the hardest.
I guess Florida is not on the list.

What about all of us who need our second shots? Was anything said about that?

[coffeebean]

I am blown away how fast people are willing to be lab rats.

It blows me away how people would consider riding it out if they get caught with the virus in their body.

[C. C. Rider]

I just read some interesting info in the Jan-Feb edition of AARP Bulletin.

"Question: Once I'm fully vaccinated, can I go back to normal life?

Answer: No. Everyone will need to continue all current recommendations regarding social distancing, wearing a mask, and avoiding travel. This is because up to 10 percent of vaccinated individuals will not be protected from getting Covid-19, and because reinfection, while uncommon, can still occur.

And the vaccine itself doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus. It simply prepares your body to mount a vigorous defense so that if you do become infected, the resulting illness is far less likely to be life-threatening. "

The article goes on to say (paraphrased) that even if we receive both vaccines, that's no guarantee of immunity. Also, we don't have enough data to know how long the vaccine remains effective. The first people to receive the vaccine in clinical trials was in late September, so we won't know until this coming September if the vaccine lasts for a full year.

So, it appears that the vaccine is far less of a magic bullet than many people think that it is. I certainly hope that it works, but with the limited knowledge that "the experts" have on it, it appears to be far from a certainty that this virus is going away any time soon, or that it won't mutate and require annual shots to try to stay one step ahead of it. It would seem that trying to stay healthy and reducing the severity of your comorbidities, if possible, would be a good idea whether you receive the vaccine or not.

[coffeebean]

Enough has been ordered to vaccinate virtually everyone who wants a shot. The problem is in production. Also, the FDA is sitting on approval for AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine which already has been approved by multiple countries. Blame them.

The Astra Zeneca vaccine does not have as high an efficacy as Moderna or Pfizer. I hope we do not approve that vaccine here in the US. I just want the Emergency Production Act to be employed to ramp up production of the two approved vaccines we have here in the US. We have been promised that is going to happen. Let's wait and see. Just wish that Emergency Production Act had been employed long before this. The production needs to be ramped up so we don't have these cluster f%$@s any more.

[coffeebean]

If I was thinking of getting the vaccine, I would be glad in not receiving the first dose.
The studies for the vaccine were for doses given at x number of days, for 2 doses, to reach 94-96%.
If they held second dose, later for either company, to see the outcome, one would think it would have been in their press release.

A just in case we can’t produce, enough vaccine this is the % without 2nd dose, or dose given 60 days later

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think what you are saying is that the efficacy of the vaccine is the same if the 2nd shot is administered at the 60 day mark OR the 2nd shot is not given at all. Either way, the efficacy is the same????

[coffeebean]

They should never have come off

We are all really in some deep trouble if people think they can stop the CDC protocols to mitigate the virus just because they have had both shots of the vaccine. I mean REALLY REALLY deep trouble.

[billethkid]

...or poorly managed???

That would imply there was management....there was and is none!

The only management is of the real cause of such a major blow out!!

[coffeebean]

We got registered on TUESDAY MORNING AT 6AM and got our 1st dose on Wednesday afternoon at 1PM..... and TRUST ME if you trust no one else: WE ARE NOT CONNECTED to ANYONE as you suggest.... we are not politically connected to ANYONE... you need get some FACTS before you or others start posting this NONSENSE... I hope the moderator pulls your post... this crap has to stop...

PLEASE quote the post next time so we can all see which post you are referring to. Did you know that if you quote a post and the moderator removes said post, that post will live on in your post with the quoted post in it? Sorry if I didn't make myself understood but the bottom line is to quote a poster when you are responding to them. Thanks.

[gpk111]

EDfNJ...good summary. Consistent with my synthesis. Thanks for posting.

[coffeebean]

if you have apptmnt, they have stock

How do you know this? That is not what was said in the email sent out by GMR for the Moderna vaccine.

[coffeebean]

Many of us trust the science and the experts. The "lab rats" have already been tested in three phases.

Absolutely. This type of vaccine is not new on the horizon. 17 years ago was when this technology was first experimented with (the first SARS virus). I have no doubt or qualms about taking this vaccine. Scientists have new technology to work with these days. I believe in the science too.

[gpk111]

If you are trying to be helpful why not post links to these other “opportunities “?

Fair comment.

Duvall: Sign up every Thursday at 5.

Orange: Pre sign up with personal and medical info. Password for actual appointment site issued. Notification of open window for appointments by text. Separate system.

Most people want to stay local. Happy to help further by PM.

[coffeebean]

I guess we were the car that pulled up behind you.
How did they not know they didn’t even have enough to complete Saturdays appointments!!?? Funny how that’s not mentioned in the article. Sure hope we are actually put at the top of the list for when they receive more. Then again how can we feel confident that they will get the second dose on time?

I feel those who have received their first shot should be at the top of the list for their second shot. Sorry, but it is only fair that we should get the full efficacy of a vaccine that we were promised had a 94.1 efficacy rate.

Personally, I would rather not have had my first dose at this point and waited for when I would have been guaranteed to have a 2nd dose when it was due, per manufacturers recommendations. I most certainly would have waited for when this roll out was more consistent. Hind sight is 20/20. I feel like I (and others) will come out with the short end of the stick and that is just a very bad feeling I have.

[44Apple]

I don’t know whether to feel relieved or slighted — I’ve heard several say they got early morning/middle of the night calls and emails. I didn’t get a call just the email. 😁 or 😟?

I received text and email, depended on how you told them you wanted to be contacted.

[gpk111]

How do you know this? That is not what was said in the email sent out by GMR for the Moderna vaccine.

Just spoke to someone in Brevard county. The couple was very concerned about COVID and were able to register in forward thinking Brevard around Christmas for a Jan 15 firm appointment. On Jan 15, they were moved to Jan 26 due to "supply shortage." It's not just GMR.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

you choose your communication phone call. If you had chosen text, or email your phone would not have rang. You choose poorly, if you didn’t want a robo call to wake you up

Exactly!

[Byte1]

The anti-vaxxers may succeed at torpedoing this whole attempt by society to achieve herd immunity through near-universal vaccination.

I have at least 10 family members that have had and survived the virus and I am healthier than all of them. I am not afraid of catching it BUT I will take the vaccination to protect my spouse. Like the mask, I find it ludicrous that some on here insist that others "protect" them, when they should be taking their own precautions to avoid risk, and not depending on others to take care of them. The more folks that survive the virus, the better off the rest will be, in my opinion. The reason for starting with the seniors is because most of this country can survive the virus, even though the older folks have medical conditions that make it more of a danger to them.
Be patient and live longer. Stress weakens you too. Eventually, everyone will have the vaccination available to them.

Both of us received emails last night that they were out of serum but that our place on the waiting list would be safe when they restart. If my spouse gets the shot, I can wait.

[coffeebean]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::popcorn:

Just a gut feeling but I think anti-vaxxers will come to their senses soon enough.

[gpk111]

I feel those who have received their first shot should be at the top of the list for their second shot. Sorry, but it is only fair that we should get the full efficacy of a vaccine that we were promised had a 94.1 efficacy rate.

Personally, I would rather not have had my first dose at this point and waited for when I would have been guaranteed to have a 2nd dose when it was due, per manufacturers recommendations. I most certainly would have waited for when this roll out was more consistent. Hind sight is 20/20. I feel like I (and others) will come out with the short end of the stick and that is just a very bad feeling I have.


Very interesting perspective: Give clarity (and a choice) to the patient!

I've been focusing on the discussion of overall merits of a single shot to more people over two shots to fewer.

Left unsaid: The evaluators are betting on a sufficient supply for second shots to be manufactured "just in time," rather than depending on existing inventory.

Lots of interdependent roulette wheels at play!

[coffeebean]

PLEASE quote the post next time so we can all see which post you are referring to. Did you know that if you quote a post and the moderator removes said post, that post will live on in your post with the quoted post in it? Sorry if I didn't make myself understood but the bottom line is to quote a poster when you are responding to them. Thanks.

Quoting my own post here......

Correction: Unless the moderator deletes the quoted post that contains a post that was deleted, the quoted post will not live on. Get that? LOL!

[coffeebean]

Just spoke to someone in Brevard county. The couple was very concerned about COVID and were able to register in forward thinking Brevard around Christmas for a Jan 15 firm appointment. On Jan 15, they were moved to Jan 26 due to "supply shortage." It's not just GMR.

I never thought this was just a GMR problem. I realize this is a Florida problem.

[NoMoSno]

The Astra Zeneca vaccine does not have as high an efficacy as Moderna or Pfizer. I hope we do not approve that vaccine here in the US. I just want the Emergency Production Act to be employed to ramp up production of the two approved vaccines we have here in the US. We have been promised that is going to happen. Let's wait and see. Just wish that Emergency Production Act had been employed long before this. The production needs to be ramped up so we don't have these cluster f%$@s any more.
The emergency production act will be used to make syringes and PPE, not vaccine production.

"He also said he would use the full force of the Defense Production Act to make the supplies needed to administer vaccines, including syringes and personal protective equipment."
Biden details 5-step COVID vaccine plan, names new lead for vaccines | CIDRAP (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/01/biden-details-5-step-covid-vaccine-plan-names-new-lead-vaccines)

[coffeebean]

The emergency production act will be used to make syringes and PPE, not vaccine production.

"He also said he would use the full force of the Defense Production Act to make the supplies needed to administer vaccines, including syringes and personal protective equipment."
Biden details 5-step COVID vaccine plan, names new lead for vaccines | CIDRAP (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/01/biden-details-5-step-covid-vaccine-plan-names-new-lead-vaccines)

Then will the manufacturers have the ability to keep up with all the PPE and syringes we will have? I didn't realize the Emergency Production Act did not include manufacture of the vaccines.

[Bill14564]

Then:
I will be taking the risk to be vaccinated. I will not worry anymore about the health of others around me. They could also take the same risk I will be taking and get themselves vaccinated.

Bottom line, when I'm fully immune at 95% and 100% of not having severe disease, my mask comes OFF and will remain OFF. To those who are not able to take the vaccine, sorry but just stay away from me because I will NOT be wearing a mask.

Now:
We are all really in some deep trouble if people think they can stop the CDC protocols to mitigate the virus just because they have had both shots of the vaccine. I mean REALLY REALLY deep trouble.

Thank you for the change of heart.

[capecoralbill]

Here's the guy in charge:
GUS PERNA, the general running logistics for Operation Warp Speed, states report they’re getting less than they were promised.

“It was my fault,” Perna says. “It was a planning error, and I am responsible.”

[coffeebean]

Then:


Now:



Thank you for the change of heart.

WOW, you must have searched for that first comment. That was a while ago before I realized how difficult this vaccine roll out was going to be. I guess I was very naive.

You're welcome. I realize now that the roll out will take a lot of time and there will be millions of people who are clamoring for the vaccine but just can not get it.

I still stand with my view point that I WILL NOT protect anti-vaxxers when when we no longer have anyone wishing to get the vaccine. When the vaccine is plentiful to all those who want it, that is when my mask comes off. That may not be for a very long while, but I will wait it out and for now continue to protect those around me.

[JanetMM]

Did everyone that registered get an email? Two person household that registered same day, only one received email.

I got an text saying to read the email. I didn’t get an email. Don’t know what is next.

[WelchNH]

Yes.
NO! Don't listen to this "opinion"! You are still on the list and will be contacted when vaccine is available.

[asianthree]

I still stand with my view point that I WILL NOT protect anti-vaxxers when when we no longer have anyone wishing to get the vaccine. .

If you are vaccinated, you are protecting those who can’t take the vaccine.
Since you are vaccinated you just lost the ability to say I WILL NOT protect.

But I bet that 31 week pregnant lady that will not get the vaccine must be in your anti-vaccine group, as well as the healthcare workers who are choosing to pass. Then there are those who are in Chemo, who’s physicians are holding them from the vaccine, or those who are anaphylactic and their physicians are choosing to withhold the vaccine until further studies. So which of these anti vaccine people do you feel are not worth it?

[bpascani]

I've been told that the 2nd shot is a booster....the same shot as the 1st one. It seems that there is a bit of flexibility in when then 2nd is administered....just has to be at least 28 days (for Maderna). I haven't found out/heard of how much time after 28th day, but I would think at least a month. I get that it's the same 'shot', just can't understand why they would not 'pull' and reserve, the 2nd shots, before administering 1st shots to new people (and, YES, I am one of the 7500 waiting for the 1st shot. the issue of availability of the 2nd shot concerns me. Hopefully this will get resolved in the next few days.

[Girlcopper]

Here's what I just read:

Global Medical Response Suspends COVID-19 Vaccines in Sumter County Due to National Vaccine Shortage (https://www.globalmedicalresponse.com/news/2021/global-medical-response-suspends-covid-19-vaccines)
Old news. Theres a shortage all over

[cherylncliff]

I guess we were the car that pulled up behind you.
How did they not know they didn’t even have enough to complete Saturdays appointments!!?? Funny how that’s not mentioned in the article. Sure hope we are actually put at the top of the list for when they receive more. Then again how can we feel confident that they will get the second dose on time?

We were in same position. Arrived at 4:15 and they were out

[Tom2172]

Get used to disappoint! The explanation would have been censored so why bother!

[msilagy]

You do not have to start over. The person that said that is not only clueless but has a limited thought process. It is true there is 80% coverage for Moderna at the end of 28 days but what is unknown is how long that will last without the booster. In Moderna's trials efficacy 1 week after 2nd shot is 94.5% but in over 65 drops to 86%. They did a subset of over 65 and that was the result. No big deal tho. This is fact - look up clinical trials and these facts are there.

[DameDiana]

My concern......... is the efficacy of the vaccine as good if the 2nd shot is later than it is supposed to be given which is 28 days for the Moderna vaccine? What if it is days or even weeks late? What happens then? Do we start over?

I'm not expecting anyone to have the answers. Just venting.

If for some reason you fail to get the second shot precisely three weeks after the first, you don’t have to start all over again with another two-dose regimen. “The second dose can be picked up at any time after the first. No need to start the series over,” said Dr. Paul Offit, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania and a member of the F.D.A.’s vaccine advisory panel

[Altavia]

You do not have to start over. The person that said that is not only clueless but has a limited thought process. It is true there is 80% coverage for Moderna at the end of 28 days but what is unknown is how long that will last without the booster. In Moderna's trials efficacy 1 week after 2nd shot is 94.5% but in over 65 drops to 86%. They did a subset of over 65 and that was the result. No big deal tho. This is fact - look up clinical trials and these facts are there.

Additional info on single dose:

How effective is a single vaccine dose against Covid-19? - BBC Future (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210114-covid-19-how-effective-is-a-single-vaccine-dose?ocid=ww.social.link.facebook)

Thought this point of view interesting where an alternate Pfizer estimate is based on when the initial injection likely becomes effective.



"But there is also another figure that has been circulating on the internet, and anecdotally, being fed to patients by certain doctors – the suggestion that the first dose is around 90% effective. And this is where it gets a little more complicated.

The second estimate comes from the UK's Vaccine Committee, the JCVI, who decided to calculate the efficacy of the vaccine differently.

Instead of using all the data on the number of infections, including from days when the first dose hadn't yet started to work, they only looked at days 15-21.

Using this method, the efficacy of the vaccine jumps up to 89%, because it's not being diluted by the relatively high number of infections before the vaccine begins to have an effect.

Taking things even further and only looking at the first seven days after the second dose (days 21-28) – because the second dose might not have kicked in yet by then – it's 92%.

However, these calculations are controversial."

[oneclickplus]

I am blown away how fast people are willing to be lab rats.

Indeed. Isn't anyone concerned about things like this happening:

Shawn Skelton took the Moderna vaccine for COVID-19 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj4BwNvXmKI&feature=emb_logo)

[oneclickplus]

I still stand with my view point that I WILL NOT protect anti-vaxxers when when we no longer have anyone wishing to get the vaccine. When the vaccine is plentiful to all those who want it, that is when my mask comes off. That may not be for a very long while, but I will wait it out and for now continue to protect those around me.

This twisted logic is the same that will used by totalitarian governments. For example, should I give up my guns to protect others? No, they are there to protect me. And, it's my decision (and same for each person) as to whether they wish to protect themselves with a vaccine. It's quite obvious that many people are lining up and clamoring for the perceived protection of the vaccine for themselves.

Fauci and others saying that getting the vaccine is some kind of moral decision about how much I care for others is just so much crap. It's simply designed to coerce everyone to get the jab. If you've been vaccinate and IF it provides protection for you ... then great. But, don't continue the lie that you got it for me. Or that what I do with MY BODY is not my decision. I refer anyone who disagrees to the same section of the constitution that gives a woman a right to abort a pregnancy. My right to decide if I want a vaccination is in the same paragraph.

Meanwhile, consider this outcome:

Brighteon (https://www.brighteon.com/3729bf68-64d3-495e-acee-2b82c4da9e2b)

Why don't you contact her and tell her how much you appreciate her protecting you. I'm sure that will brighten her day.

[merrymini]

If you want the vaccine, take it. Do NOT tell others what to do. If you get the first shot and have coverage, you should be glad because most cannot get even the first shot. What are you complaining about? Is there any place in the world where the entire population can be inoculated in a few weeks?

[danglanzsr]

There was no stockpile. It can't be missing if it never existed. Health & Human Services Secretary Alex Azar resigned yesterday and announced it then.

Secretary Azar resigned EFFECTIVE JANUARY 20 at 12:00pm. All political appointees of the outgoing administration are expected to resign, effective the day of the inauguration.

[EdFNJ]

If you want the vaccine, take it. Do NOT tell others what to do. If you get the first shot and have coverage, you should be glad because most cannot get even the first shot. What are you complaining about? Is there any place in the world where the entire population can be inoculated in a few weeks? LOL, Those who are telling others not to get it are doing it so they have a better chance of getting a shot themselves. ;)

[EdFNJ]

If you are vaccinated, you are protecting those who can’t take the vaccine.
Since you are vaccinated you just lost the ability to say I WILL NOT protect. Actually, that has yet to be medically and scientifically determined. It has been assumed but not proven.

From Johns Hopkins:

If I get a coronavirus vaccination, do I still have to wear a mask? Physical distance?

Yes. It may take time for everyone who wants a COVID-19 vaccination to get one. A vaccine that is 95% effective means that about 1 out of 20 people who get it may not have protection from getting the illness.
Also, while the vaccine may prevent you from getting sick, it is unknown at this time if you can still carry and transmit the virus to others. That is why, until more is understood about how well the vaccine works, continuing with precautions such as mask-wearing and physical distancing will be important.


COVID-19 Vaccine: What You Need to Know | Johns Hopkins Medicine (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know)

[allsport]

Austrailia

[chrissy2231]

It's not clear about those who have codes for 1st shot.

[Aloha1]

I just read some interesting info in the Jan-Feb edition of AARP Bulletin.

"Question: Once I'm fully vaccinated, can I go back to normal life?

Answer: No. Everyone will need to continue all current recommendations regarding social distancing, wearing a mask, and avoiding travel. This is because up to 10 percent of vaccinated individuals will not be protected from getting Covid-19, and because reinfection, while uncommon, can still occur.

And the vaccine itself doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus. It simply prepares your body to mount a vigorous defense so that if you do become infected, the resulting illness is far less likely to be life-threatening. "

The article goes on to say (paraphrased) that even if we receive both vaccines, that's no guarantee of immunity. Also, we don't have enough data to know how long the vaccine remains effective. The first people to receive the vaccine in clinical trials was in late September, so we won't know until this coming September if the vaccine lasts for a full year.

So, it appears that the vaccine is far less of a magic bullet than many people think that it is. I certainly hope that it works, but with the limited knowledge that "the experts" have on it, it appears to be far from a certainty that this virus is going away any time soon, or that it won't mutate and require annual shots to try to stay one step ahead of it. It would seem that trying to stay healthy and reducing the severity of your comorbidities, if possible, would be a good idea whether you receive the vaccine or not.

From the CDC:
"WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF THE MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE?
In an ongoing clinical trial, the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine has been shown to prevent COVID-19 following 2 doses given 1 month apart. The duration of protection against COVID-19 is currently unknown."

From Johns Hopkins Medical:
"An effective vaccine will protect a person who receives it by lowering their chances of getting COVID-19 if they encounter the coronavirus. Widespread vaccination for the coronavirus means that the virus will not infect as many people. This will limit spread through communities.

Both Pfizer and Moderna report that their vaccines show approximately 95% efficacy at preventing both mild and severe symptoms of COVID-19. This level of efficacy appears to apply across age groups, racial and ethnic groups, and both sexes, as reported in the Pfizer trial."

[stanley]

Secretary Azar resigned EFFECTIVE JANUARY 20 at 12:00pm. All political appointees of the outgoing administration are expected to resign, effective the day of the inauguration.

And? ................Resignations happen with "any" "outgoing" administration.

[DonnaNi4os]

My concern......... is the efficacy of the vaccine as good if the 2nd shot is later than it is supposed to be given which is 28 days for the Moderna vaccine? What if it is days or even weeks late? What happens then? Do we start over?

I'm not expecting anyone to have the answers. Just venting.

According to the American Society of Health System Pharmacists there is. 54.2% efficacy between the first and second Pfizer vaccine, 95% seven days after the second. As for the.Moderna, 92.1% between dose one and two starting less than 14 days after the first dose. Protection beyond 28 days of a single dose is unknown. Astra Zeneca has yet to be approved but a half dose, which has been discussed, followed by full dose has a 90% efficacy. J & J, when approved, needs only one vaccine and is said to be 98-100% effective depending on age of recipient. This info was updated on 1/8/2021. Has there been studies if the second doses of the first 3 are delayed? Who knows? From what I have read, a four day delay has still given effective immunity. Beyond that?? It would be a shame and a waste to hold back on the second dose and then find that the first dose was a waste. And there lies the problem. I understand that the need is great.

[noslices1]

Not a good sign. The tents that were behind Red Lobster that were giving the Covid shots are no longer there.

[New Englander]

Not a good sign. The tents that were behind Red Lobster that were giving the Covid shots are no longer there.

Are you serious?

[graciegirl]

Secretary Azar resigned EFFECTIVE JANUARY 20 at 12:00pm. All political appointees of the outgoing administration are expected to resign, effective the day of the inauguration.

Right you are.

I DOUBT there is anything "going on". I think that lots of people who previously were anti-vax have come to glory and are wanting theirs right now.

I think that everyone in charge is trying to get the vaccine to all of us as soon as it is humanly possible. I think that is true ALL over the world. I think that lots of people are doing every single thing in their power to make it and check it and box it and refrigerate it and send it and hire people to give us all this shot in the arm.

I think it all comes to those who wait.

[Barkriver]

Vaccine research varies. Johnson & Johnson's vaccine doesn't use the same RNA technology that Moderna or Pfizer use. It therefore is slightly less effective.

[jimjamuser]

Austrailia
Not sure if there is ANY meaning there. Too bad.

[Stu from NYC]

Would be nice if they could give us some idea of when more vaccine will be available.

I would have thought that somebody has a production schedule and could do some planning.

[JoMar]

Would be nice if they could give us some idea of when more vaccine will be available.

I would have thought that somebody has a production schedule and could do some planning.

I would believe even the State and Health Departments would like to know that also. Add FedEx, UPS and the USPS to those that want it also. It will get here, just not all at once.

[rmd2]

Not a good sign. The tents that were behind Red Lobster that were giving the Covid shots are no longer there.

Oh boy, that does not look good. I was told by an EMT there that they would be there for the "unforseeable future". That didn't last long - 1 week.

[Stu from NYC]

I would believe even the State and Health Departments would like to know that also. Add FedEx, UPS and the USPS to those that want it also. It will get here, just not all at once.

I was a buyer, purchasing agent and than director of purchasing for many years.

One would think that you would call the manufacturer and simply ask when will we be getting more shipments of the vaccine ordered on such and such PO number.

Have to believe the vaccine makers have a production schedule and should easily be able to determine when they can ship more.

This seems to be much harder than it should be.

[jagdl]

Just saw the news report that the site has been cleared except for a few hand wash stations and a port a potty. Not sure why they would site clear if they were expecting more vaccine.

[Stu from NYC]

Just saw the news report that the site has been cleared except for a few hand wash stations and a port a potty. Not sure why they would site clear if they were expecting more vaccine.

Hopefully it is just that they will be going to a better site.

[New Englander]

I wish Governor DeSantis would let us know what has happened.

[JoMar]

I was a buyer, purchasing agent and than director of purchasing for many years.

One would think that you would call the manufacturer and simply ask when will we be getting more shipments of the vaccine ordered on such and such PO number.

Have to believe the vaccine makers have a production schedule and should easily be able to determine when they can ship more.

This seems to be much harder than it should be.

The buyer is the Federal Government so I assume they have some idea. They then determine the distribution to what State. The State then determines how much to what County. Both the Feds and the States can reallocate as they see fit, then the County can reallocate to the inoculation sites. This is totally a government program on many levels. Private sector is more straightforward.....back in the day I did what you did for a manufacturing company. Wasn't much fun so I moved to sales :)

[Bogie Shooter]

Another failure......................

[coffeebean]

This twisted logic is the same that will used by totalitarian governments. For example, should I give up my guns to protect others? No, they are there to protect me. And, it's my decision (and same for each person) as to whether they wish to protect themselves with a vaccine. It's quite obvious that many people are lining up and clamoring for the perceived protection of the vaccine for themselves.

Fauci and others saying that getting the vaccine is some kind of moral decision about how much I care for others is just so much crap. It's simply designed to coerce everyone to get the jab. If you've been vaccinate and IF it provides protection for you ... then great. But, don't continue the lie that you got it for me. Or that what I do with MY BODY is not my decision. I refer anyone who disagrees to the same section of the constitution that gives a woman a right to abort a pregnancy. My right to decide if I want a vaccination is in the same paragraph.

Meanwhile, consider this outcome:

Brighteon (https://www.brighteon.com/3729bf68-64d3-495e-acee-2b82c4da9e2b)

Why don't you contact her and tell her how much you appreciate her protecting you. I'm sure that will brighten her day.

You quoted only part of my post which is the last part. You misunderstood what I said when I claim "I will continue to protect others". I don't mean I'm protecting anyone by being vaccinated. I'm only protecting myself with the vaccination. We have been told by the CDC that it is not known if vaccinated people can still transmit the virus to others. Because of this, we are requested to continue to mask and social distance. I will continue to mask and social distance until we are notified by the CDC that it is no longer necessary to do so. That is what I meant that I will continue to protect others.

[coffeebean]

If you are vaccinated, you are protecting those who can’t take the vaccine.
Since you are vaccinated you just lost the ability to say I WILL NOT protect.

But I bet that 31 week pregnant lady that will not get the vaccine must be in your anti-vaccine group, as well as the healthcare workers who are choosing to pass. Then there are those who are in Chemo, who’s physicians are holding them from the vaccine, or those who are anaphylactic and their physicians are choosing to withhold the vaccine until further studies. So which of these anti vaccine people do you feel are not worth it?
That is not my understanding. The CDC is requesting that those who have received both shots of the vaccine continue to wear masks and social distance. It is not known if those people who have achieved immunity from the vaccine can still transmit the virus to to others.

[Topspinmo]

There was suppose to be millions of doses of the vaccines sitting in freezers. How can this be? So the nine month nightmare continues.

Probably lot was wasted, and then there the guy that intentionally un-froze thousands of doses. Why you make vaccine that can’t even be stored in outer space makes it kind hard to distribute?

[Stu from NYC]

Probably lot was wasted, and then there the guy that intentionally un-froze thousands of doses. Why you make vaccine that can’t even be stored in outer space makes it kind hard to distribute?

Hope that guy gets convicted of attempted murder and spends many years behind bars.

[Stu from NYC]

The buyer is the Federal Government so I assume they have some idea. They then determine the distribution to what State. The State then determines how much to what County. Both the Feds and the States can reallocate as they see fit, then the County can reallocate to the inoculation sites. This is totally a government program on many levels. Private sector is more straightforward.....back in the day I did what you did for a manufacturing company. Wasn't much fun so I moved to sales :)

Would be nice if the fed govt would actually tell the state govt who can than tell the people who will be administering the vaccines what they will be getting so they can plan accordingly.

Should not be that hard

[kathyspear]

You quoted only part of my post which is the last part. You misunderstood what I said when I claim "I will continue to protect others". I don't mean I'm protecting anyone by being vaccinated. I'm only protecting myself with the vaccination. We have been told by the CDC that it is not known if vaccinated people can still transmit the virus to others. Because of this, we are requested to continue to mask and social distance. I will continue to mask and social distance until we are notified by the CDC that it is no longer necessary to do so. That is what I meant that I will continue to protect others.

Story in the NYTimes today says this info from the CDC is nonsense, that there is almost no chance that people who are fully vax'd can catch and transmit the virus. [shrug]

kathy

[EdFNJ]

Story in the NYTimes today says this info from the CDC is nonsense, that there is almost no chance that people who are fully vax'd can catch and transmit the virus. [shrug]

kathy "Almost" is the key word there (although I can't find that article since I don't sub to the NY Times). It has NOT been proven either way but LIKELY they say you are correct. When the scientists AND THE VACCINE MAKERS say so, only THEN I will believe it. Here's something to think about, at ABOUT 95% effective that still means one has a 1 in 20 chance of still catching and transmitting it after being fully vaccinated.

[Two Bills]

"Almost" is the key word there (although I can't find that article since I don't sub to the NY Times). It has NOT been proven either way but LIKELY they say you are correct. When the scientists AND THE VACCINE MAKERS say so, only THEN I will believe it. Here's something to think about, at ABOUT 95% effective that still means one has a 1 in 20 chance of still catching and transmitting it after being fully vaccinated.

I still prefer to look at it as a 19 in 20 chance of avoiding the virus!:icon_wink:

[Bonnevie]

I wish Governor DeSantis would let us know what has happened.

hopefully, everyone has emailed him about this. I did. I expressed that the worst part of this was getting people's hopes up and then it is gone without any explanation. I can be patient if we are given accurate information about a realistic timeline for getting the vaccine. but all we've got so far are photo ops. then aborted operations.

[coffeebean]

Please email Governor DeSantis. Thank you......

Email the Governor (https://www.flgov.com/email-the-governor/)

[sam&rog]

First it was the vaccines that the hospital was to receive and they were diverted to somewhere. Now more are not available. It seems that we villagers are being played by
outside forces.
When we had our shots in Belleview , signed up for V-Safe through the CDC. It tracks any reactions and the batch number. So they can find out where the shots really went through the batch numbers. Hope someone checks into this for us.

[DAN48]

No one seems to have any worthwhile information on whether or when GMR will begin vaccinating again. I received my first last Friday, but wife's appointment was postponed. My impression of GMR is high. they were very professional and courteous.

My guess is they were blind-sided when the vaccine shipments did not happen. There is no point in incurring the expenses for the site when no vaccine is available. I really hope they return!

The communication from all levels of government is really dismal! If this was a world war, we would all be learning a foreign language by now! I view the development of the vaccine in record time as a great accomplishment. The distribution is an epic failure.

[Stu from NYC]

Do not expect an answer directly but just emailed the governor and reminded him that if he chooses to run again no info is not something that will be forgotten.

[NoMoSno]

I view the development of the vaccine in record time as a great accomplishment. The distribution is an epic failure.
You can't distribute a vaccine that hasn't been produced yet.
Takes time to manufacture millions of doses.

[Bill14564]

You can't distribute a vaccine that hasn't been produced yet.
Takes time to manufacture millions of doses.

According to WaPo tracker (no idea how accurate it is) 31M doses have been distributed but only 10.6M people have been vaccinated (most with only one shot).

The location and status of the other 10M-20M doses seems to be a mystery.

[John41]

Although Operation Warp Speed will continue under the incoming manager , Dr. Kessler, there will be the following distribution changes primarily not holding back vaccine for second shots and expanding providers.
------------------'
Biden will aim to release nearly every available dose of the coronavirus vaccine when he takes office. The Trump administration's strategy originally was to hold back half of US vaccine production to ensure second doses are available, but it has since reversed course and said it would distribute reserved second doses immediately, effectively adopting Biden's approach.

Biden's plan will increase the public health workforce to support the vaccination effort, which includes allowing for additional professionals to administer vaccines and encouraging states to expand the scope of practice laws and waive licensing requirements where appropriate. The president-elect will also mobilize a public health jobs program to support the response to the pandemic.

[LianneMigiano]

There was no stockpile. It can't be missing if it never existed. Health & Human Services Secretary Alex Azar resigned yesterday and announced it then. The current administration (up to noon 1/21/2021) lies on the way out of command also! How could so many people have trusted what was said for so long? If their spouse, children or best friend had lied to them so often, they'd have confronted and straightened that business out right from the get-go.:bigbow:

[Joe V.]

The current administration (up to noon 1/21/2021) lies on the way out of command also! How could so many people have trusted what was said for so long? If their spouse, children or best friend had lied to them so often, they'd have confronted and straightened that business out right from the get-go.:bigbow:

Lies like, you can keep your doctor if you want to, or every family gets $2500 when my health plan is law? These lies?

[JoMar]

Please email Governor DeSantis. Thank you......

Email the Governor (https://www.flgov.com/email-the-governor/)

Florida has a population of 22M, Sumter has 120K.....I appreciate your effort but emails to DeSantis on this subject will have no impact, even if it mattered he has set the course and I doubt he will, or can, waiver. Too many moving parts.

[Viperguy]

You only hear what you want to hear. The truth lies somewhere out there.

[Stu from NYC]

Any chance we can keep politics out of this?

[Joe V.]

Any chance we can keep politics out of this?

Would be nice but one can only take so much before pointing out fallacies.

[Bogie Shooter]

Any chance we can keep politics out of this?

Direct this to those posting political.......

[Altavia]

Here's a CDC page summarizing Vaccine distribution/vaccinations.

CDC COVID Data Tracker (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?fbclid=IwAR3O1tYtOT4HKZfKcd3E_Z-zYtj6BpfRjllQCEXbYJ8EOJvjDktOV1IibTM#vaccinations)

[Stu from NYC]

Direct this to those posting political.......

One would hope they are smart enough to understand.

Or maybe not.

[Byte1]

Although Operation Warp Speed will continue under the incoming manager , Dr. Kessler, there will be the following distribution changes primarily not holding back vaccine for second shots and expanding providers.
------------------'
Biden will aim to release nearly every available dose of the coronavirus vaccine when he takes office. The Trump administration's strategy originally was to hold back half of US vaccine production to ensure second doses are available, but it has since reversed course and said it would distribute reserved second doses immediately, effectively adopting Biden's approach.

Biden's plan will increase the public health workforce to support the vaccination effort, which includes allowing for additional professionals to administer vaccines and encouraging states to expand the scope of practice laws and waive licensing requirements where appropriate. The president-elect will also mobilize a public health jobs program to support the response to the pandemic.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bogie Shooter]

One would hope they are smart enough to understand.

Or maybe not.

Some have not.....so far.

[blueash]

Here's a CDC page summarizing Vaccine distribution/vaccinations.

CDC COVID Data Tracker (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?fbclid=IwAR3O1tYtOT4HKZfKcd3E_Z-zYtj6BpfRjllQCEXbYJ8EOJvjDktOV1IibTM#vaccinations)

Thank you for posting that data. While there certainly is some wiggle room in the numbers, for example it would take some time for the number of shots given to make it to the CDC numbers, as shown just over 2 million doses have been sent to Florida and under 900 thousand have been given. So over 1 million doses should be here and awaiting arms.

This is the foundation of the complaints on this website and elsewhere. If those vials are in Florida why are they not making it to the vaccination sites? Nobody seems to have an answer but I read a lot of official comments always pointing at somebody else.