First Look at Proposed areas south of Monarch Grove

[Goldwingnut]

The first look at what is coming in the area south of Monarch Grove has just appeared.

South of Monarch Grove is going to be residential according to the attached drawing.

North of McNeill Drive between Corbin Trail and Bexley Trail is recreation and according to other drawings another Pitch & Putt and another executive course.

This will make the southern bridge across SR92 one step closer to a reality.

[tophcfa]

Thanks for the updates, we took a ride down to the areas being developed a couple days ago and were totally amazed at the amount of dirt being pushed around. Thousands of new homes already built with many thousands more in the works. It seems like lots of recreational stuff is in the works, but there is a serious dearth of Championship Golf. Let’s hope the next generation of retirees don’t get tired of walking the same trails every day and playing pitch and put.

[kansasr]

Thanks for sharing. What is the source for these drawings?

[Goldwingnut]

Thanks for the updates, we took a ride down to the areas being developed a couple days ago and were totally amazed at the amount of dirt being pushed around. Thousands of new homes already built with many thousands more in the works. It seems like lots of recreational stuff is in the works, but there is a serious dearth of Championship Golf. Let’s hope the next generation of retirees don’t get tired of walking the same trails every day and playing pitch and put.

Yes, yes, yes, we all know all you care about is championship courses, we've all seen you posts a hundred times over now.
18 holes north of the turnpike now under construction
and 18 and a 27-hole course announced for south of Monarch Grove
hardly a dearth of courses.
When you look at the total number of houses in the area compared to number of holes of championship play the south end is coming out ahead once complete.

Don't lose sight of the fact that the championship courses ARE NOT AMENITIES, they are private businesses that must have customers to survive. No homes - no customers - no championship courses.

South of SR44 has only recently reached the point of being able to economically support a championship course. Historically it averages about 175 homes per hole are needed to support a championship course. The attached reflects the number of holes of championship golf available over time as new villages and courses are built north of SR44. Statistically, they appear right on track.

[Tom359]

Hmmmm...nothing I have seen from the developer has indicated there will be any residential directly south of Monarch Grove. In the developer's latest update video, they show the entire area south of Monarch Grove will be recreational all the way down to 470, which they are renaming Central Parkway. See the attached screenshot from the video. There will be residential south of 470, they mention having an area that is not 55+ for families that work in and around TV.

[John41]

Glad they are adding more pitch and putt

[Goldwingnut]

Hmmmm...nothing I have seen from the developer has indicated there will be any residential directly south of Monarch Grove. In the developer's latest update video, they show the entire area south of Monarch Grove will be recreational all the way down to 470, which they are renaming Central Parkway. See the attached screenshot from the video. There will be residential south of 470, they mention having an area that is not 55+ for families that work in and around TV.

Hmmm...
Let's think about this for just a minute. The Developer's principal business is building retirement communities. The image you posted shows the golf courses, recreational areas, commercial areas, the new hospital facilities, etc. highlighted in various colors. That would make the rest of the areas what?

Let's think about this for a minute more.

What would it be?

Don't give up yet, it will come to you?

What is it again that they are in the business building?

What is it that is required to support these new recreation facilities, golf courses, and businesses?

Oh, what could it be?

Let me guess...
Cow pastures? Nope cows don't like to play golf.
Farmland? Naa, the land isn't that great to support a cash crop.
I know, a huge car dealership... doubtful.

Of course it's all residential areas south of Monarch Grove! What isn't shown as something else will be homes!
What else would it be?
Do we have to be told they are building houses around a golf course in this community?
They are highlighting what isn't homes and what will make those new homes appealing to buy.

[tophcfa]

Yes, yes, yes, we all know all you care about is championship courses, we've all seen you posts a hundred times over now.
18 holes north of the turnpike now under construction
and 18 and a 27-hole course announced for south of Monarch Grove
hardly a dearth of courses.
When you look at the total number of houses in the area compared to number of holes of championship play the south end is coming out ahead once complete.

Don't lose sight of the fact that the championship courses ARE NOT AMENITIES, they are private businesses that must have customers to survive. No homes - no customers - no championship courses.

South of SR44 has only recently reached the point of being able to economically support a championship course. Historically it averages about 175 homes per hole are needed to support a championship course. The attached reflects the number of holes of championship golf available over time as new villages and courses are built north of SR44. Statistically, they appear right on track.

Goldwingnut, thanks for posting the excellent data chart. Very interesting information. I especially enjoyed seeing the chronological order of each Village built north of 44. As interesting as the chart is, I am not drawing the same conclusion that statistically they are on track based on historic data. Since the data provided is only updated through 2015, some pro forma statistics had to be calculated to determine just how on track Championship golf is relative to the past.

Assuming 2,500 new homes are added per year, the current homes per hole number stands around 232, well above the historical average of 175. Assuming the additional 63 holes announced are completed by the end of 2023, along with another 7,500 homes, there will be about 213 homes per hole, still well above the historical average of 175. And since no other holes are planned, that number will again begin to increase as more homes are added. Based on the data, the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that Championship Golf has been significantly de-emphasized relative to historical standards.

Since my primary passion is lap swimming, with golf being a distant second, I would love to see the same data showing the number of sports pools to homes? And as always, thank you for continually providing excellent information.

[VApeople]

In the developer's latest update video, they show the entire area south of Monarch Grove will be recreational all the way down to 470

That is incorrect.

The map you posted shows the layout for a golf course south of Monarch Grove. It is obvious there will be houses all around the course, just like there are houses around the existing golf courses.

[Florida17]

Ask about blasting.

[Hape2Bhr]

Yes, yes, yes, we all know all you care about is championship courses, we've all seen you posts a hundred times over now.
18 holes north of the turnpike now under construction
and 18 and a 27-hole course announced for south of Monarch Grove
hardly a dearth of courses.
When you look at the total number of houses in the area compared to number of holes of championship play the south end is coming out ahead once complete.

Don't lose sight of the fact that the championship courses ARE NOT AMENITIES, they are private businesses that must have customers to survive. No homes - no customers - no championship courses.

South of SR44 has only recently reached the point of being able to economically support a championship course. Historically it averages about 175 homes per hole are needed to support a championship course. The attached reflects the number of holes of championship golf available over time as new villages and courses are built north of SR44. Statistically, they appear right on track.

And of course, the further south home building continues, the closer we get to more outside public golf courses which are generally much less expensive and in better condition because they overseed. :a040:

[Villages Kahuna]

Don’t forget that golf is becoming a decidedly less popular recreational activity. Virtually all current statistics indicate a pretty dramatic decline in the popularity of the game. So the Developer may be ahead of the game by making relatively minor adjustments to the golf course-to-house ratio in favor of other types of Rec facilities.

[mk1126]

Hmmm, Where exactly is the venue for "Scooter"to play in there???

[Goldwingnut]

Hmmm, Where exactly is the venue for "Scooter"to play in there???

These are secrets, details of which are yet to be revealed.

[DIver0258]

Hmmm...
Let's think about this for just a minute. The Developer's principal business is building retirement communities. The image you posted shows the golf courses, recreational areas, commercial areas, the new hospital facilities, etc. highlighted in various colors. That would make the rest of the areas what?

Let's think about this for a minute more.

What would it be?

Don't give up yet, it will come to you?

What is it again that they are in the business building?

What is it that is required to support these new recreation facilities, golf courses, and businesses?

Oh, what could it be?

Let me guess...
Cow pastures? Nope cows don't like to play golf.
Farmland? Naa, the land isn't that great to support a cash crop.
I know, a huge car dealership... doubtful.

Of course it's all residential areas south of Monarch Grove! What isn't shown as something else will be homes!
What else would it be?
Do we have to be told they are building houses around a golf course in this community?
They are highlighting what isn't homes and what will make those new homes appealing to buy.

Hmmmm a UAV field, I apologize....Common sense tells me the developer would not put a golf course directly behind existing homes. Lots bordering golf courses bring a premium. This fact lead me to believe since the first maps provided there would be more residential behind Monarch Grove that would transition into the championship golf being built west of the turnpike. I also noticed that it looks like a couple of courses will be constructed off of Meggisun Road. Thanks for the Information Don!

[tophcfa]

Don’t forget that golf is becoming a decidedly less popular recreational activity. Virtually all current statistics indicate a pretty dramatic decline in the popularity of the game. So the Developer may be ahead of the game by making relatively minor adjustments to the golf course-to-house ratio in favor of other types of Rec facilities.

Pre-Covid that trend was evident among the general population, but not so in the Villages demographic.

However, the golf industry had an outstanding year during 2020 because of Covid. Since golf is one of the few activities that can be safely enjoyed during a pandemic, 2020 was a revival year for the golf industry. Time will tell if the younger people who flooded the golf courses across the country will continue playing the sport when Covid finally gets under control? The same can be said for other activities that flourished because of Covid, such as bike riding, hiking, camping, kayaking, swimming, etc.... For the sake of the health of future generations, here is hoping the trend continues?

[airstreamingypsy]

[QUOTE=Goldwingnut;1888947]Hmmm...
Let's think about this for just a minute. The Developer's principal business is building retirement communities. >

I used to think that, but now it appears more like the developer's business is building cities, while destroying everything in his wake.

[vintageogauge]

Ask about blasting.


There is no blasting over there.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Don’t forget that golf is becoming a decidedly less popular recreational activity. Virtually all current statistics indicate a pretty dramatic decline in the popularity of the game. So the Developer may be ahead of the game by making relatively minor adjustments to the golf course-to-house ratio in favor of other types of Rec facilities. your time here, what you say is true and there have been many National articles about this , but the Morse family haters are not interested in facts, compared to other homes I’ve had in villagers,I run into many more people who don’t play out here in new section including me

[Chitown]

Ask about blasting.

For the 50th time, myself and my neighbors who live in and around Mclure, Linden, Monarch Grove have never heard a blast. I keep hearing this from people who live north of 44. 8 months now never have heard a blasting noise.

[Bogie Shooter]

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[vintageogauge]

For the 50th time, myself and my neighbors who live in and around Mclure, Linden, Monarch Grove have never heard a blast. I keep hearing this from people who live north of 44. 8 months now never have heard a blasting noise.

Yes, the naysayers are probably realtors trying to discourage buying new homes down here in the new villages and hoping to get more business up in the old villages. The blasting that does occur every 6 weeks or so is done pretty far west 0f 501 along 470 near 301 and Sumterville. You can't hear it, you might feel a rumble similar to a truck running over a pot hole in front of your house, it last for only 1 or 2 seconds and does no damage, most people don't even feel it.

[Marathon Man]

[QUOTE=Goldwingnut;1888947]Hmmm...
Let's think about this for just a minute. The Developer's principal business is building retirement communities. >

I used to think that, but now it appears more like the developer's business is building cities, while destroying everything in his wake.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Why oh why do some people want to spend their precious time on hate. Every single one of us living in TV can, at any time, re-locate to a community more to our liking.

[Bogie Shooter]

I used to think that, but now it appears more like the developer's business is building cities, while destroying everything in his wake.

“Destroying everything”? Need to splain Lucy.........

[kansasr]

For the 50th time, myself and my neighbors who live in and around Mclure, Linden, Monarch Grove have never heard a blast. I keep hearing this from people who live north of 44. 8 months now never have heard a blasting noise.

My favorite was the guy who claimed you could hear the freight trains over by 301 AND the noise from the Turnpike.

Even if I went outside and turned my hearings aids up to max that wouldn't be possible.

[John41]

Yes, the naysayers are probably realtors trying to discourage buying new homes down here in the new villages and hoping to get more business up in the old villages. The blasting that does occur every 6 weeks or so is done pretty far west 0f 501 along 470 near 301 and Sumterville. You can't hear it, you might feel a rumble similar to a truck running over a pot hole in front of your house, it last for only 1 or 2 seconds and does no damage, most people don't even feel it.

But like fracking does the blasting send seismic shockwaves through the soil encouraging sinkhole formation and cracking of structures in the future. Only time will tell.

[yankygrl]

My favorite was the guy who claimed you could hear the freight trains over by 301 AND the noise from the Turnpike.

Even if I went outside and turned my hearings aids up to max that wouldn't be possible.
I live in lake Deaton, not only do I hear the trains by 301 and 44 at night but I hear the “fracking” or whatever it’s called.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I’m still waiting for the guy to explain what’s been destroyed out here I haven’t seen any destruction and I know destruction when I see it having called up a lot of air strikes lol

[vintageogauge]

But like fracking does the blasting send seismic shockwaves through the soil encouraging sinkhole formation and cracking of structures in the future. Only time will tell.

They have been blasting over there for decades and the only sink holes in The Villages are in the northern villages. The only ones south of 44 were small and from ill installed drain pipes.

[vintageogauge]

I live in lake Deaton, not only do I hear the trains by 301 and 44 at night but I hear the “fracking” or whatever it’s called.

That's because you are north of 44, we don't hear it down here. And by the way, the blasting, when it occurs, does not make noise, at least it doesn't down here.