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coffeebean
01-18-2021, 01:57 PM
My sister had an appointment this morning for her first vaccine shot. Just to see what was going on, she drove past the drive up site. The tents are gone!
Topspinmo
01-18-2021, 02:26 PM
What a goat rope????:faint:
billethkid
01-18-2021, 02:37 PM
They go up and down fairly easily/quickly.
Remaining positive (!!!!)
....they rent them and no sense paying for not using?!
....they need them for a location that knows how to schedule?!
Like they said in their web site the operation would be for the foreseeable future.....who would have thought it would be so short!!!!
Credibility? Ground zero.....and holding.
It will be a challenge to believe anything they say next?
graciegirl
01-18-2021, 02:50 PM
My sister had an appointment this morning for her first vaccine shot. Just to see what was going on, she drove past the drive up site. The tents are gone!
They are tents. Easy up. Easy down. Folding chairs and tables. Ditto. They will return when the next batch of Covid vaccine gets here. The field is still owned by the Morses and all processes are poised to begin again.
Deep breaths.
coffeebean
01-18-2021, 03:38 PM
They are tents. Easy up. Easy down. Folding chairs and tables. Ditto. They will return when the next batch of Covid gets here. The field is still owned by the Morses and all processes are poised to begin again.
Deep breaths.
Thank you Gracie. I'm breathing!
DeanFL
01-18-2021, 03:58 PM
They are tents. Easy up. Easy down. Folding chairs and tables. Ditto. They will return when the next batch of Covid gets here. The field is still owned by the Morses and all processes are poised to begin again.
Deep breaths.
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Wait Gracie. HOW DARE YOU! Make comments as you just did?
Factual, sensible, intellectual, without malice, without namecalling, hopeful, upbeat, calming, and confident.
This forum is NO PLACE for such commentary!
Shame on you.
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John41
01-18-2021, 04:32 PM
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twoplanekid
01-18-2021, 04:39 PM
Received today in my District email account ->
important: Update about the Vaccine Supply
Due to unforeseen circumstances surrounding the national vaccine supply, we are temporarily suspending the operation of the mass vaccination site in Sumter County. Here’s what you need to know:
If you received an appointment for your second dose, your appointment will remain as scheduled until further notice. If we do not receive the necessary doses, we will reschedule your second vaccination appointment.
All 7,500 scheduled appointments for first doses, including those who received scheduling codes but have not yet scheduled, have been placed on hold until we receive adequate supply of the vaccine.
If you have registered but have not yet received a scheduling code, you will remain waitlisted in the order received. Rest assured, you will not lose your place on our registry.
We will continue to process registrations for vaccines and place individuals on the waitlist to adequately assess demand and report those totals to the Florida Department of Health.
Health Officials and team members are committed to the Sumter County community's needs and are working very closely with the State of Florida Department of Emergency Management and Florida Department of Health. We are prepared to resume vaccinations as soon as we receive notice that vaccine doses are available.
bowlingal
01-19-2021, 06:19 AM
It was posted in the Daily Sun and online in the Villages News and on the district website that they were closing this vaccination center. Keep up to date on happenings in the Villages with these resources
Joanne19335
01-19-2021, 06:36 AM
They are tents. Easy up. Easy down. Folding chairs and tables. Ditto. They will return when the next batch of Covid gets here. The field is still owned by the Morses and all processes are poised to begin again.
Deep breaths.
It is refreshing to read posts from someone with a positive attitude. My second shot is scheduled for February 10th and I believe the tents will be back up well before then.
Miriam2940
01-19-2021, 06:37 AM
I read that the site is dismantled but everything is being stored in a Pod which, they said is close...on site?
Bogie Shooter
01-19-2021, 06:47 AM
I read that the site is dismantled but everything is being stored in a Pod which, they said is close...on site?
Where did you read this?
noslices1
01-19-2021, 06:49 AM
My sister had an appointment this morning for her first vaccine shot. Just to see what was going on, she drove past the drive up site. The tents are gone!
When I drove past yesterday, there was still one tent there and a few porta pottys, so maybe they will be back.
giorgio1948
01-19-2021, 07:07 AM
They go up and down fairly easily/quickly.
Remaining positive (!!!!)
....they rent them and no sense paying for not using?!
....they need them for a location that knows how to schedule?!
Like they said in their web site the operation would be for the foreseeable future.....who would have thought it would be so short!!!!
Credibility? Ground zero.....and holding.
It will be a challenge to believe anything they say next?
Are they attempting to KILL us off per O.W.?
merrymini
01-19-2021, 08:00 AM
There are vaccine shortages everywhere and the gov has nothing to do with it.
kimgarwel12@gmail.com
01-19-2021, 08:28 AM
There's an article in The *************.com today about GBR dismantling their site and skipping town with the remaining vaccine doses and "sensitive" patient/medical information. This is really concerning if it's true. When I registered with them for a vaccine, their system didn't ask for my SSN, but did ask for DOB, Medicare #, address, email, phone #, so they do have some info on me. I waited to register until after several sources insisted that this company was legit, including the Sumter Co Sheriff's office. Hopefully, this isn't another scam.
billethkid
01-19-2021, 08:29 AM
There are vaccine shortages everywhere and the gov has nothing to do with it.
That conclusion is based on what?
(I do not know if the statement is true or not.....but there must be a basis for the statement.....right?).
billethkid
01-19-2021, 08:31 AM
There's an article in The *************.com today about GBR dismantling their site and skipping town with the remaining vaccine doses and "sensitive" patient/medical information. This is really concerning if it's true. When I registered with them for a vaccine, their system didn't ask for my SSN, but did ask for DOB, Medicare #, address, email, phone #, so they do have some info on me. I waited to register until after several sources insisted that this company was legit, including the Sumter Co Sheriff's office. Hopefully, this isn't another scam.
The source quoted warrants a credibility check!
jbrown132
01-19-2021, 08:42 AM
Just enough vaccine for a DeSantis show! The cameras are gone so is the vaccine.
This is no ones fault but the suppliers of the vaccine. My family comes from NH and Maine. They are having the same problems there. Not enough vaccine. Do you really think the States or anyone else right now are happy with the amount they are receiving. I doubt it. So stop blaming people who have no control over the supply they are receiving. I am sure they would love to have enough to vaccinate everyone tomorrow.
kansasr
01-19-2021, 09:14 AM
My sister had an appointment this morning for her first vaccine shot. Just to see what was going on, she drove past the drive up site. The tents are gone!
Dismantled? You've been reading the reports on that other web site and letting them get to you. When they announced the suspension of vaccinations because of a shortage, they indicated that they were moving everything into storage pods.
No sense hiring security guards to monitor that large space 24/7 when you can easily take it down, store it and then put it back up when ready to go again. After all, I seem to remember this all went up very, very quickly.
To quote one of my favorite readers here "breathe".
Queenie504
01-19-2021, 09:15 AM
That's being quite optimistic.
44Apple
01-19-2021, 09:35 AM
[/QUOTE]When they announced the suspension of vaccinations because of a shortage, they indicated that they were moving everything into storage pods.[/QUOTE]
Really? Don't remember that one.
Stu from NYC
01-19-2021, 09:43 AM
This is no ones fault but the suppliers of the vaccine. My family comes from NH and Maine. They are having the same problems there. Not enough vaccine. Do you really think the States or anyone else right now are happy with the amount they are receiving. I doubt it. So stop blaming people who have no control over the supply they are receiving. I am sure they would love to have enough to vaccinate everyone tomorrow.
If so why can noone let us know when vaccinations will restart or at least some idea what is going on?
Lottoguy
01-19-2021, 09:46 AM
It's probably why this is so screwed up.
Bill14564
01-19-2021, 09:57 AM
When they announced the suspension of vaccinations because of a shortage, they indicated that they were moving everything into storage pods.
Really? Don't remember that one.
I'll second that. I just checked all the announcements I could find but didn't see anything about pods.
PennBF
01-19-2021, 10:03 AM
We just may have been lucky. How many have read of the serious reactions to the Moderna
Vaccine in California and that they suspended it until they establish the cause and effect? With this in mind and the fact that CMR would not state the reason for suspending the Villages vaccine I feel we may have been lucky in not getting it yet? We can't trust the Government to give us the facts since they have historically been misleading. Staying home and wearing masks now sounds great!!! Please don't tell me it was a "unique batch problem in California" as who knows the truth. We were told there was enough vaccine to take care
of the ones who were scheduled and then all of a sudden it all disappeared? If you believe
the crap the government is feeding us then I have a great bridge for sale in Brooklyn cheap.:popcorn:
MOMOH
01-19-2021, 10:31 AM
I really do hate to be a Debbie Downer, but has anyone been able to find out where else Global Medical Response is giving vaccines? On their website, the only one they speak about is the one in Sumter. I don't see any other vaccine centers listed, or any "news" about any other site. How many people did they "vaccinate" here, and can we be sure that these people actually got a real dose of real vaccine? This whole situation from having to give Social Security Numbers to them packing up after a few days seems very sketchy to me. Again, sorry for being an alarmist, and I hope I'm wrong.
Altavia
01-19-2021, 11:15 AM
We just may have been lucky. How many have read of the serious reactions to the Moderna
Vaccine in California and that they suspended it until they establish the cause and effect? With this in mind and the fact that CMR would not state the reason for suspending the Villages vaccine I feel we may have been lucky in not getting it yet? We can't trust the Government to give us the facts since they have historically been misleading. Staying home and wearing masks now sounds great!!! Please don't tell me it was a "unique batch problem in California" as who knows the truth. We were told there was enough vaccine to take care
of the ones who were scheduled and then all of a sudden it all disappeared? If you believe
the crap the government is feeding us then I have a great bridge for sale in Brooklyn cheap.:popcorn:
Limited to one Moderna batch pulled globally in an abundance of caution after 10 allergic reactions at one site. Root cause in investigation.
California urges providers to halt use of batch of Moderna vaccines (https://www.kcra.com/article/california-urges-providers-to-halt-use-of-batch-of-moderna-vaccines/35245079)
talleyjm
01-19-2021, 11:24 AM
If so why can noone let us know when vaccinations will restart or at least some idea what is going on?
How can you disseminate information you don't have? Or know? That's just common sense. What is the problem with people who say they are desperate. Desperate for what? Why did everyone think 2021 was going to be a whole new world. What would change for folk if they had received both shots Right Now? Nothing really. Still would be wearing masks. Still would be social distancing. Still would be avoiding large gatherings indoors. As long as there are people who haven't been vacinated Nothing changes. My husband and I are in the group of 7,500 people who are waiting for their first appointment. So what. We will continue to be super cautious as Covid would probably be a death sentence for him if he caught it. Just be grateful you don't have Covid and we all can see a dim light at the end of the pandemic tunnel. :a040:
Stu from NYC
01-19-2021, 11:57 AM
How can you disseminate information you don't have? Or know? That's just common sense. What is the problem with people who say they are desperate. Desperate for what? Why did everyone think 2021 was going to be a whole new world. What would change for folk if they had received both shots Right Now? Nothing really. Still would be wearing masks. Still would be social distancing. Still would be avoiding large gatherings indoors. As long as there are people who haven't been vacinated Nothing changes. My husband and I are in the group of 7,500 people who are waiting for their first appointment. So what. We will continue to be super cautious as Covid would probably be a death sentence for him if he caught it. Just be grateful you don't have Covid and we all can see a dim light at the end of the pandemic tunnel. :a040:
I find it hard to believe that nobody in govt has any idea when there will be more doses available. And why would you not want to know what is going on?
New Englander
01-19-2021, 12:15 PM
If so why can noone let us know when vaccinations will restart or at least some idea what is going on?
My thoughts exactly.
PennBF
01-19-2021, 12:17 PM
Please reread my note. Don't tell me it is just one batch. Why did Calif. take that vaccine off
the treatments schedule(s) not just that batch until they establish why the reactions? Why is CMR not giving out the reason(s) for disappearing? Good luck believing some Government reason for running away from the Villages if they give a reason? :a040:
jbrown132
01-19-2021, 12:25 PM
If so why can noone let us know when vaccinations will restart or at least some idea what is going on?
Because until the suppliers of the vaccine can give them definite answers, anything they say would be just speculation. If they tell you something and it does not happen then your all over them for being wrong. It’s a no win situation.
Stu from NYC
01-19-2021, 01:07 PM
Because until the suppliers of the vaccine can give them definite answers, anything they say would be just speculation. If they tell you something and it does not happen then your all over them for being wrong. It’s a no win situation.
Assuming the holdup is the supplier one would think that Pfizer for example has a production schedule and they know the orders they have to fill.
Than they just tell the customer the facts.
Should not be that hard.
Boston1945
01-19-2021, 01:09 PM
Folks let's all step back and take a breath here. We have come this far and we are still here. Take it a day at a time. We will have to wait our turn. I think for me it will be some time around June.
Altavia
01-19-2021, 01:09 PM
Please reread my note. Don't tell me it is just one batch. Why did Calif. take that vaccine off
the treatments schedule(s) not just that batch until they establish why the reactions? Why is CMR not giving out the reason(s) for disappearing? Good luck believing some Government reason for running away from the Villages if they give a reason? :a040:
Recheck you're source/comprehension, just one lot was pulled due to 10 adverse reaction at one site. This could be a reformulation problem at the site...
California Urges Stop to 300K Vaccines after Some Fall Ill (https://www.snopes.com/ap/2021/01/18/california-moderna-vaccine-reactions/)
LOS ANGELES (AP) — California’s state epidemiologist is urging a halt to more than 300,000 coronavirus vaccinations using a Moderna vaccine version because some people received medical treatment for possible severe allergic reactions.
Dr. Erica S. Pan on Sunday recommended providers stop using lot 41L20A of the Moderna vaccine pending completion of an investigation by state officials, Moderna, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the federal Food and Drug Administration.
“Out of an extreme abundance of caution and also recognizing the extremely limited supply of vaccine, we are recommending that providers use other available vaccine inventory,” Pan said in a statement.
She said more than 330,000 doses from the lot arrived in California between Jan. 5 and Jan. 12 and were distributed to 287 providers.
Fewer than 10 people, who all received the vaccine at the same community site, needed attention over a 24-hour period, Pan said. No other similar clusters were found.
jbrown132
01-19-2021, 03:09 PM
Assuming the holdup is the supplier one would think that Pfizer for example has a production schedule and they know the orders they have to fill.
Than they just tell the customer the facts.
Should not be that hard.
I agree, but it does no appear to be that way.
Byte1
01-19-2021, 03:45 PM
If so why can noone let us know when vaccinations will restart or at least some idea what is going on?
Probably because if they gave an estimated time and date for a "restart" and were late making it happen, there would be a bunch of folks like those on here, yelling, screaming and crying that they lied about it.
New Englander
01-19-2021, 04:33 PM
Folks let's all step back and take a breath here. We have come this far and we are still here. Take it a day at a time. We will have to wait our turn. I think for me it will be some time around June.
The problem is we were told by the Governor it was our turn. They set up and start giving the Vaccine and then close up shop. Many of us would like to be told what is really happening.
charlieo1126@gmail.com
01-19-2021, 07:27 PM
Recheck you're source/comprehension, just one lot was pulled due to 10 adverse reaction at one site. This could be a reformulation problem at the site...
California Urges Stop to 300K Vaccines after Some Fall Ill (https://www.snopes.com/ap/2021/01/18/california-moderna-vaccine-reactions/)
LOS ANGELES (AP) — California’s state epidemiologist is urging a halt to more than 300,000 coronavirus vaccinations using a Moderna vaccine version because some people received medical treatment for possible severe allergic reactions.
Dr. Erica S. Pan on Sunday recommended providers stop using lot 41L20A of the Moderna vaccine pending completion of an investigation by state officials, Moderna, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the federal Food and Drug Administration.
“Out of an extreme abundance of caution and also recognizing the extremely limited supply of vaccine, we are recommending that providers use other available vaccine inventory,” Pan said in a statement.
She said more than 330,000 doses from the lot arrived in California between Jan. 5 and Jan. 12 and were distributed to 287 providers.
Fewer than 10 people, who all received the vaccine at the same community site, needed attention over a 24-hour period, Pan said. No other similar clusters were found. but your a spoiler , I mean why let the truth get in the way of another conspiracy on this site
dwbevan
01-19-2021, 08:10 PM
They said there was a storage POD nearby in letter. Didn't go to check. Hoping the best.
HORNET
01-19-2021, 08:39 PM
The Mores’s don’t own those fields!
coffeebean
01-19-2021, 08:45 PM
We just may have been lucky. How many have read of the serious reactions to the Moderna
Vaccine in California and that they suspended it until they establish the cause and effect? With this in mind and the fact that CMR would not state the reason for suspending the Villages vaccine I feel we may have been lucky in not getting it yet? We can't trust the Government to give us the facts since they have historically been misleading. Staying home and wearing masks now sounds great!!! Please don't tell me it was a "unique batch problem in California" as who knows the truth. We were told there was enough vaccine to take care
of the ones who were scheduled and then all of a sudden it all disappeared? If you believe
the crap the government is feeding us then I have a great bridge for sale in Brooklyn cheap.:popcorn:
The reactions in California are referring to allergic reactions and to a specific batch of the Moderna vaccine. I'm not concerned. This is the reason there is a minimum of a 15 minute observation period after the vaccination. This is also the reason three ambulances were on site at the 466 vaccination location.
Here is an article about the pause in California.......
CA: Pause Some COVID Vaccinations After Reactions (https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210118/ca-pause-covid-vaccinations-after-allergic-reactions)
coffeebean
01-19-2021, 08:48 PM
I really do hate to be a Debbie Downer, but has anyone been able to find out where else Global Medical Response is giving vaccines? On their website, the only one they speak about is the one in Sumter. I don't see any other vaccine centers listed, or any "news" about any other site. How many people did they "vaccinate" here, and can we be sure that these people actually got a real dose of real vaccine? This whole situation from having to give Social Security Numbers to them packing up after a few days seems very sketchy to me. Again, sorry for being an alarmist, and I hope I'm wrong.
Are other sites in local areas still conducting vaccinations? Anyone know if the site Sumter County was using is still continuing to vaccinate people?
Stu from NYC
01-19-2021, 10:33 PM
Probably because if they gave an estimated time and date for a "restart" and were late making it happen, there would be a bunch of folks like those on here, yelling, screaming and crying that they lied about it.
An estimated time and date is just that.
Better an estimate than nothing at all
laryb
01-19-2021, 11:02 PM
After discovering that people registering after I did were getting appointments 6 days before me, I sent GMR an email, and they responded. Then, when the suspension occurred and I didn't get email and my wife and friend's did, I contacted them again. Below is what the email contained.....sounds like they're coming back to me, but I've been wrong before:
Mr. Laryb,
XXXXXX had forwarded me your inquiry and I had a chance to look into this with our technology team. Rest assured, we have your registration and you (and those you registered) are all in the queue to be issued another appointment when supply becomes available. We had to cancel about a week’s worth of appointments. We will not be adding any appointments until that group has been vaccinated with the next week’s worth of supply.
I hope that resolves your concerns. You can contact me at any time if any other issues arise.
cherylncliff
01-20-2021, 06:36 AM
After discovering that people registering after I did were getting appointments 6 days before me, I sent GMR an email, and they responded. Then, when the suspension occurred and I didn't get email and my wife and friend's did, I contacted them again. Below is what the email contained.....sounds like they're coming back to me, but I've been wrong before:
Mr. Laryb,
XXXXXX had forwarded me your inquiry and I had a chance to look into this with our technology team. Rest assured, we have your registration and you (and those you registered) are all in the queue to be issued another appointment when supply becomes available. We had to cancel about a week’s worth of appointments. We will not be adding any appointments until that group has been vaccinated with the next week’s worth of supply.
I hope that resolves your concerns. You can contact me at any time if any other issues arise.
What email did you use
msilagy
01-20-2021, 06:56 AM
One tent is standing - I just drove by last evening! Please be accurate in your comments. When more vaccines are received they will resume. The reason they had to take these tents down is the impending vandalism that could happen in the "friendliest hometown" which is sad in itself.
Willis56
01-20-2021, 07:20 AM
All the National Guard troops in Washington about 30,000 received vaccines. Wondering if the doses for the public were transferred for them?
Max0431Zoe
01-20-2021, 07:50 AM
How about we all flood the local news outlets including TV stations to investigate and report to the public. Let’s find out who really wants to see the facts.
ts12755
01-20-2021, 08:04 AM
Supply is going to NY, California, Illinois, and Michigan first.
xcaligirl
01-20-2021, 08:07 AM
My sister had an appointment this morning for her first vaccine shot. Just to see what was going on, she drove past the drive up site. The tents are gone!
I was on the list to get the vaccine however I received an email last week stating they are out of vaccines and to basically "stay tuned" for future updates. I also drove by the site and there was one small tent left. I'm thinking maybe April/May... Hmmm, wonder what happened to all of the vaccines received here for the FLORIDA residents! I heard that visitors could even receive the vaccination....
Altavia
01-20-2021, 08:10 AM
Supply is going to NY, California, Illinois, and Michigan first.
CDC map of vaccinations by state.
CDC COVID Data Tracker (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?fbclid=IwAR3O1tYtOT4HKZfKcd3E_Z-zYtj6BpfRjllQCEXbYJ8EOJvjDktOV1IibTM#vaccinations)
44Apple
01-20-2021, 08:14 AM
Supply is going to NY, California, Illinois, and Michigan first.
Need a footnote for that one.
Blackie
01-20-2021, 08:22 AM
CDC map of vaccinations by state.
CDC COVID Data Tracker (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?fbclid=IwAR3O1tYtOT4HKZfKcd3E_Z-zYtj6BpfRjllQCEXbYJ8EOJvjDktOV1IibTM#vaccinations)
In addition this Bloomberg site (scroll down) shows numbers by state.
According to this site approximately 44% of Florida’s vaccines haven’t been used.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot? (https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/)
Villages Kahuna
01-20-2021, 08:37 AM
And the man in charge in Florida has said that he’s critical of the “100 in 100” plan? The guy who made sure he had a photo op when the tents went up? Really? Where was he when they came down?
laryb
01-20-2021, 08:45 AM
What email did you use
Go to AMR.net and tap contact
wiltma
01-20-2021, 08:49 AM
The Mores’s don’t own those fields!
Who owns them
DAN48
01-20-2021, 09:00 AM
My sister had an appointment this morning for her first vaccine shot. Just to see what was going on, she drove past the drive up site. The tents are gone!
Does anyone know WITH CERTAINTY who signed the agreement with Global Medical Response? I've been told it was no one at the Villages or County level, so that leaves someone at the State of Florida-if, in fact, there was any kind of a formal agreement. It seems there must have been for them to receive an allotment of vaccine.
My experience with GMR was very positive-I'd just like to know who let them run out of vaccine while other Counties keep receiving allotments!!
coffeebean
01-20-2021, 10:03 AM
One tent is standing - I just drove by last evening! Please be accurate in your comments. When more vaccines are received they will resume. The reason they had to take these tents down is the impending vandalism that could happen in the "friendliest hometown" which is sad in itself.
My original post stated that my sister drove to the site. She told me the tents were gone. That is all I knew. I did not say I saw the site myself. That was the best information I had at the time. So sorry if you feel what I reported was misinformation.
coffeebean
01-20-2021, 10:08 AM
I was on the list to get the vaccine however I received an email last week stating they are out of vaccines and to basically "stay tuned" for future updates. I also drove by the site and there was one small tent left. I'm thinking maybe April/May... Hmmm, wonder what happened to all of the vaccines received here for the FLORIDA residents! I heard that visitors could even receive the vaccination....
Where did you hear that visitors can receive vaccination in Florida? That is not what is being reported on WESH 2 News. They said Florida residents only and comes from the governor.
coffeebean
01-20-2021, 10:11 AM
In addition this Bloomberg site (scroll down) shows numbers by state.
According to this site approximately 44% of Florida’s vaccines haven’t been used.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot? (https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/)
Could that be the "hold back" for those who have appointments for their second shots? I surely hope so! If that is the case, I would be beholding to our governor.
44Apple
01-20-2021, 10:25 AM
Gloating ain't cool.
Emmakrock@yahoo.com
01-20-2021, 10:43 AM
They notified per email and paper that it was suspended
jimjamuser
01-20-2021, 11:50 AM
And the man in charge in Florida has said that he’s critical of the “100 in 100” plan? The guy who made sure he had a photo op when the tents went up? Really? Where was he when they came down?
Agree, good post!
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